I already said it wasn't a dual vcache ccd
#technology
quick locust
Whats the price at msrp and the release date?
pale quartz
Jan, after ces
molten flame
hopefully they don't launch 9900X3D 
pale quartz
expect around the 700-800 mark
molten flame
probably 200-300 MHz higher boost than 9800X3D
I think 9800X3D will still be better
pale quartz
the frequency will do nothing zen 5 x3d is I/O die limited not clock boost
9800x3d will still outperform it because boost clocks are only if the other ccd is not in a active state otherwise it's lower
and because it's not dual vcache you run into the usual split ccd shenanigans
molten flame
yeah having cache on both CCDs would be a waste of silicon and likely negate performance too
pale quartz
it's not a waste, less scaling linear performance yes but they're doing it to segregate products
if they release a dual vcache processor they will compete against medusa and there's no reason to
terse glade
Yea it will be unplayable for you
molten flame
if Zen 6 without 3D cache is slower than 9800X3D then it would be best to just have 3D SKUs available first, just seeing how bad the non-X3D 9000 series sales were
even 5700X3D was still outselling the 9700X and 9950X
terse glade
I want a 5060ti now
terse glade
It is what it is
molten flame
if it uses 3GB modules then maybe will be 12GB
pale quartz
Zen 6 debuting with 3D SKUs would be nice to see
1: will never happen
2: they exist because not everyone needs a vcache processor
terse glade
Going back from 16gb to 12gb would be literally insane
pale quartz
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/download/visual-c-redistributable-runtime-package-all-in-one/%3Famp download and run the install_all.bat
amber narwhal
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/download/visual-c-redistributab...
should i download the one closest to me ?
pale quartz
should i download the one closest to me ?
it doesn't matter on the server
just download it unzip it and run the bat script and follow the prompts
amber narwhal
it doesn't matter on the server
i dont think its working is okay by you if i can stream it so you could guide me if im doing something wrong ?
pale quartz
you can't stream in here as you don't have privileges
if you mean stream on a call no sorry my DMS are off and i don't provide personal support here
ivory creek
theres a community creations role that let you stream in the streams channel tho, right?
pale quartz
yeah but that's not what the channel is for and it'll be removed so no
ivory creek
oh im tired, i thought someone just asked about game streaming, sorry
amber narwhal
just download it unzip it and run the bat script and follow the prompts
sorry to bother you man
thanks for the help though
i downloaded it but i dont know how to unzip it and run it
molten flame
brave sundial
i downloaded it but i dont know how to unzip it and run it
Right click the zipped file and it should give you an option to unzip, then just pick the location it gives you, should be in the same place.
small zinc
That's not true at all. Looks like they added v-cache to both CCD's and early benchmarks are showing the 9950 considerably better than the 9800. At least in certain games. Obviously that will be game dependant.
pale quartz
yes says me
pale quartz
I confirmed zen 4's architecture and what AM5 had before it publicly came out, don't exactly need to prove anything
pale quartz
just wait for the full reveal, not too hard
small zinc
Because it's definitely benching better than the 9800
pale quartz
then just wait
small zinc
That's why the 7950 suffered. Because V-cache on only one CCD. Now, that could be fairly easily remedied in the BIOS by "Preferring V-Cache" rather than Frequency and put the 7950 on a much better playing field.
literally half the cores were dormant.
pale quartz
yeah and if you done any preliminary digging these dual vcache rumours have been around since zen 4 even was announced, it's not on it or this one, the 7950x3d isn't resolved via that the only way is by physically switching off the frequency ccd because there is still cross talk
the prefer option is just CPPC governing and overrides game bar it doesn't do much else
small zinc
pale quartz
as I said it's fake, nothing much else to say
small zinc
literally everywhere you look online, seems to "confirm" zen 5 will have dual v-cache
pale quartz
there is no confirmation lol
small zinc
You're the only one saying it's fake.
pale quartz
surprise tech media want to report on a rumour
small zinc
I agree it's not confirmed yet either. but you can't say it's fake either as you don't have any real confirmation either.
pale quartz
I do script writing for YouTube channels on the side so yes I get early access to some things, I did for arrow lake and saw everything including pricing before it publicly came out, but sure go on
small zinc
Leaks are leaks. I'll give you that. But there's only a handful of people that truly know and AMD/TSMC keeps things under wraps pretty damn well.
pale quartz
believe what you want it doesn't particularly matter to me
small zinc
I also did moderation for Avalanche Studios, Cold Iron Studios, and a handful of other game developments and got inside information well before game launches. Does that make me a developer?
Your logic.
pale quartz
as I said it doesn't matter to me what you believe
you'll be disappointed when the official launch occurs, that's all I'm saying
small zinc
You replied. You cared enough to reply.
I don't care if the thing has dual cache or not. What I care about is performance. And if any of the rumors and early benchmarks are true, then it is literally spanking anything Intel has off the charts, and seems to also be handily outperforming 9800
pale quartz
come back in January
small zinc
Well if history repeats itself as it has been. Intel hasn't held a single candle to AMD's X3D line since Zen 3
But I trust your little youtube channel project. You know more than everyone else here.
"Trust me bro. Source, me"
pale quartz
if i confirm ARL, zen 4 and am5, not much else to prove lol
but sure as i say just wait till january
small zinc
And you may be right. But what you aren't until January is right.
Either way, I've at least acknowledged everything is obviously just rumors for now until AMD officially unveils it. You're on another level of naivety
willow schooner
It won't have cache on both CCDs.
cursive marten
But what if it did?
small zinc
I trust Tom's Hardware over GN 10 out of 10 times.
And if this benchmark is anything to be believed. Then something fishy is going on here.
But sure. Absolutely no possible way that AMD put V-Cache on both CCD's.
cursive marten
But what if they did?
small zinc
<:CursedCat:869694866752405554>
Then I'll log out of life...
brave sundial
cursive marten
Seems like an extreme response but ok
cursive marten
uh i don't
small zinc
Seems like an extreme response but ok
Was an extremely exaggerated response.
Well people buy CPU's for whatever their need is obviously. Intel has been generally better in mult-threaded applications and professional compute applications. AMD has been kind of dominating the gaming performance since Zen 3 with X3D CPU's. I just tend to assume most people here are "gamers" since we live in a Battlefield Discord server.
cursive marten
Yeah that's fair, i just don't buy 'em cause i have no money. :V
small zinc
Also. Touche. That's a valid reason.
cursive marten
Yeah. tbh i have other things i wanna get before i consider building a new PC anyway.
Like a new desk.
small zinc
If I may. I love my Uplift desk. Sound like a salesman here, lol. But man, standing desks are where it's at. It's motorized and raises up and down. I bought myself a new office chair too as I finally realized that "Gaming" furniture is just entirely way too gimmicky, poorly built, uncomfortable, and completely impractical.
cursive marten
I've been looking at a Flexispot Pro desk.
small zinc
Just looked it up. Same thing as my Uplift. You won't be disappointed.
cursive marten
Shit's $400 but I think it'll be worth it.
small zinc
It absolutely is worth it. Mine is the 60" (5 foot) version. Tons of real estate to work with
cursive marten
I'm planning to get an L shaped version.
purely because i like the idea of having some extra space off to the side for doing other things.
small zinc
That makes sense. I can respect that. The standing part of it is truly wonderful. People laugh when they see I stand and play games. Now that I have a new actual REAL office chair too, I enjoy both.
cursive marten
I also wanna get an actual office chair. But god damn those things are expensive.
small zinc
If you're on your feet a lot or intend to keep your desk raised, my only recommendation is to invest in a good anti fatigue mat. Makes a big difference. Unless your desk comes with one as a free thing
cursive marten
no wonder most of the people i know who have one basically got it paid for by their job.
small zinc
I also wanna get an actual office chair. But god damn those things are expensive...
Might I recommend an X-Chair. Absolutely in love with mine. Office chairs are indeed expensive. Especially with brands like Herman Miller, Branch, and Steel Case etc. They are worth every penny if you can afford one, but having sat in quite a few myself, the X-chair comes pretty damn close in my personal opinion for half the price of a Herman Miller.
I bought the X4 mesh. Mine came with the free "Elex" massage and heating/cooling thing. It's completely gimmicky and pointless. The heat may be nice in the winter I suppose when it's chilier in my home and I'm too cheap to run the heat constantly. But the chair itself is good build quality and comfortable.
cursive marten
I see, i'll put their site on my bookmarks.
toxic wigeon
Woo
I'm loving my 9800x3d.
The only problem is that with my new fan my room's gotten so fucking warm.
willow schooner
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/unannounced-ryzen-9-9950x3d-domi...
Where does this say it has Vcache on both CCDs?
The results and cache counts seem odd on a lot of the results from factorioBox.
The 9800x3ds show up with 64mb, 7800x3d shows as 32. It doesnt seem to accurately show the real cache values at all for these CPUs. So in reality, its poor as a source.
toxic wigeon
And yet somehow this is more truth worthy than gn.
willow schooner
Its not even an original report, its a re-report based on a VideoCardz article.
But the original article doesnt mention anything related to more cache
Dont get me wrong, a dual VCache CPU would be awesome. I just cant see them doing it yet.
brave sundial
what if they skip dual and go straight to triple
cursive marten
What if they go to quad
willow schooner
terse glade
Yea its ridiculous situation
brave sundial
short coral
Battlefield 1 and 5 are taking up 100% of my cpu, not utilizing my memory as much as it could, and straight up not using my gpu
Is this a known problem? My friend works with computers and has been trying to help but nothing is working
digital hill
Battlefield 1 and 5 are taking up 100% of my cpu, not utilizing my memory as muc...
CPU is too weak I mean
The reason why it isn't utlizing much is your cpu is bottlenecking the gpu
terse glade
That's obvious, i think its a faulty ssd/hdd tho
short coral
I can send specs but it's over the recommended
I don't have this issue with any other game
short coral
That's obvious, i think its a faulty ssd/hdd tho
If it was faulty then it would have started having problems less than 6 years after it was made
short coral
CPU is too weak I mean
How is it too weak? It's over what's recommended
terse glade
It can happen from one day to another. If its a faulty drive
The games which run fine are on same drive?
short coral
Yeah
terse glade
How much free space has your boot drive
short coral
No idea
terse glade
Can you check because if its like only 80gb left this can create weird issues
digital hill
I can send specs but it's over the recommended
Send the specs
terse glade
For example my whole pc becomes laggy if i dont have at least 300gb left
short coral
Where do I find specs-
short coral
Info?????
digital hill
Just open task manager
with ctrl shift and escape
and then hit the performance tab
all the specs are there
short coral
I can't send images
digital hill
Just state them
short coral
Omfg
Fine
Intel i7-8750H 2.20 ghz
Intel uhd graphics
Nvida geforce gtx 1060
That was way harder than it needs to be
I'm also running windows 10, if that affects anything
I'm not upgrading until I absolutely have to
digital hill
I kinda wonder if it is using your intel uhd graphics instead of your gpu
Would make sense why the performance is terrible as the CPU have to push itself
short coral
It's not
digital hill
Did you have MSI afterburner open
short coral
Nothing touches the intel gpu, I was watching task manager while I played
The fuck is that?
I'm very new to having a pc, so I just launch the game š
However this garbage anticheat keeps eating up to 20% of my cpu
short coral
Did you have MSI afterburner open
No, I'm not the one that owns this pc, so I'm not comfortable messing with it.
brave sundial
Tensor G4 doing worse than the years old 888 in efficiency
Based off the same node as the Exynos 2400 and even that's much better 
Seems like a problem more at Google than Samsung.
I think switching to tsmc fabs might not even save them at this rate
And yet Google charges full flagship price for the pixels 
Doing worse than the G3 from last year too somehow
midnight crypt
It's a phone who cares that much
brave sundial
it's just funny seeing the pixel subreddit who say "not everyone uses their phone like that", ok cool but for $1000 I expect it to do everything I want it to. I wouldn't even be that bothered if Google priced them at like $700-800. But they try to compete with Apple and Samsung with a worse phone.
Just comes off as "I like spending premium prices on an inferior product because I like that" lol
The pixels are starting to sell pretty well so I'd imagine there's not much momentum from Google's side to try to be competitive on efficiency and performance. Though they are switching to tsmc for next year
Don't think it will help much but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they somehow make a huge comeback in those areas from doing that
willow schooner
Just buy a Redmagic 10 for 649 if you want a good gaming phone.
brave sundial
For the price, the red magic 10 is great for 'gaming'. But other than that you can get any flagship with an 8 gen 3, now 8 elite and have a near identical experience. And you'd get a phone that's made for not just gaming with actual good cameras and proper software and after-sales support.
You're on your own with importing something like a red magic.
willow schooner
They sell globally, so you dont need to import anything
weary rover
anyone one have any idea of why i am lagging in bf2042
molten flame
livid finch
When u build ur pc and have a usb to install win11
Do u still need a usb with the bios thing? Or does the win11 usb install it
dry pike
livid finch
Tysm
So my buddy doesnt have a usb for his windows install on his new pc, could he use a HDD drive instead of a usb?
dry pike
It sounds like your friend might need to find someone to help with their new computer. Oherwise all this is easily Googlable
pale quartz
So my buddy doesnt have a usb for his windows install on his new pc, could he us...
no he can't
livid finch
Alright tysm
livid finch
It sounds like your friend might need to find someone to help with their new com...
He asks me for help while i am in a different region for holidays
Whole different timezone
weary rover
when i try to launch battlefield 2042, it just says couldnt find the program, anyone know what to do?
lyric ocean
i7 11th gen 3050 laptop, is it playable for bf2042?
lost cargo
3050
ivory creek
It should meet minimum but not recommended, so i cant really tell. U could always try it and refund if it doesnt work i guess?
livid finch
Guys is it important which usb slot u use for windows boot
Cuz my pc cant find any driver for the boot
I tried the disk list method and clean disk method
But how do i format it there
livid finch
Cant i just plug in my old ssd which is with win10 to my new pc?
dry pike
My laptop has the laptop version of 3050, runs poorly, but runs
sour belfry
Cant i just plug in my old ssd which is with win10 to my new pc?
Yes you can
livid finch
We tried for 6 six hours to find a solution for āstorage not foundā issue on the windows installation
We use amd and the only fixes we found was for intel
vernal pendant
don't tempt fate, just reinstall windows
burnt coyote
just buy a flash drive they are cheap
toxic wigeon
God fucking damn these boot times are gonna make me scream.
patent meadow
pale quartz
God fucking damn these boot times are gonna make me scream.
enable MCR in the bios
toxic wigeon
enable MCR in the bios
Memory contextual restart?
pale quartz
restore
memory context restore
it stores the last training time of the DDR kit so your boot time will cut down to like 20s
pale quartz
https://overclock3d.net/news/misc/rumoured-abysmal-10-yield-for-intel-18a-is-fak...
fake news
the yield % that this is spreading is a misrepresentation, 18 angstrom is fine currently
OC3D are funny to write that considering they also published an article spreading the exact same info
brave sundial
vernal pendant
cute lil writeup on how 15.ai came to be
Thatās when I found the goldmine: My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. I was familiar with the show ā I had watched it when I was in middle school, but I hadnāt engaged with the fandom in years because of my studies. What truly impressed me was the dedication of the showās fans from the āPony Preservation Projectā, who had compiled an extensive speech corpus unlike anything Iād seen before. Every single line from the show had been meticulously trimmed, denoised, transcribed, and even emotion-tagged. This was work that no other fandom had ever achieved at the time. (This was 2020 before any of that could be automated ā this had all been done by hand.)
toxic wigeon
I wonder if the x3d chips will become the norm.
digital hill
Nah they'll find a way to go to x4d
Put some quantum processor in it and bam you can now get 4d power
quick locust
Here it seems like the only x3D in stock is the 7900x3D lol
small zinc
Where does this say it has Vcache on both CCDs?
This article doesn't at all. That particular benchmark though suggests that the 9950X3D might have V-cache on both CCD's as well as tons of other sites suggesting as such too. Deco is adamant that's not the case, but those benchmarks if at all true suggest otherwise and don't look right.
terse glade
Here it seems like the only x3D in stock is the 7900x3D lol
And 5700x3d
quick locust
Yea
willow schooner
This article doesn't at all. That particular benchmark though suggests that the ...
What does the 9950x score in factorio?
livid finch
When u buy a cpu cooler, do u have to remove ur mainboard from your case for it
midnight crypt
Depends on if it needs a backplate
livid finch
It does
midnight crypt
Well if you don't have access to the back of the mobo you need to take it out
light wave
enable MCR in the bios
Isnāt that still bugged?
Last time I had that enabled, it ruined my stability lol
digital hill
also what does he mean by slow boot
pale quartz
Isnāt that still bugged?
no it works fine
light wave
no it works fine
Will give that a go ig
pale quartz
yeah you need it explicitly not disabled for MCR or it won't work
molten flame
is passive water cooling a thing? Can I drop my PC in a pool and it will be passively cooled by the water?
coarse nimbus
just hose it down with a garden hose while you game
ivory creek
i want to remember articles about computers submerged in some oil
wonder if its worth the hassle
lol
lofty light
Yo @pale quartz whatās a good mid range cpu to rec for my bro nowadays? Itās been yonks since I ordered and not been keeping up to date
Iām assuming amd as recent intel is 
pale quartz
Yo <@162568099839606784> whatās a good mid range cpu to rec for my bro nowadays?...
5700x3d if he's on am4, 7600x if he's buying a new platform
lofty light
Heās on haswell so Iām using this as an upgrade time lol
Is the 7600x worth an extra $50 over the 7600?
pale quartz
Is the 7600x worth an extra $50 over the 7600?
ehh it's more or less the same, 7600x3d if you can find it otherwise just tell him to unlock the power limit
7800x3d is preferred overall though
lofty light
Itās not in stock and is almost twice the price sadly, and he needs a working computer as his mobo died
pale quartz
yeah is how it is
lofty light
He ended up going with the 7600, as his gpu is only a 1060 still thatāll still be the significant bottleneck
But thatāll be what I get him to buy next
digital hill
Tell him to wait until the 50 series is released and buy the 30 series
lost cargo
is it good 24-32 G of ram?
32gb is good to have for anything
willow schooner
8gb on the 60 class card is shit. It should be at least 12 for that class. 16 for the 70, 24 for the 80 and 32 for the 90.
coarse nimbus
ah but you see its 8gb of fancy gddr7 ram 
brave sundial
8gb on the 60 class card is shit. It should be at least 12 for that class. 16 fo...
What other choice does the consumer have? , Nvidia know damn well, it's intentional
willow schooner
Pretty much.
ivory creek
Even gtx 1070 had 8gb vram, and thats a really old card now. Every new card should be 16 imo
candid flame
all those chinese and korean internet cafes are gonna be so stoked
midnight crypt
Your strategy of making friends is shit
odd wolf
well then take my challenge
and consultation
iam GENIUSSSSSSSSSS
prove im not
who else would make a name as clever as battle failed?
toxic wigeon
8gb on the 60 class card is shit. It should be at least 12 for that class. 16 fo...
It's why AMD has been consistently decent. Though their VRAM numbers are weird.
brave sundial
They aren't targetting high end or mid-range
coarse nimbus
fighting over trash
toxic wigeon
I'm up for Intel existing the way it does with its gpus but too but they're real fucky over Dx9 stuff.
lost cargo
Intel can be good. But they are very new to GPU market. Iād give it few more generations if they are still in it.
coarse nimbus
how many generations till they fuck it up like the cpu 13/14th gens?
lost cargo
I hear many things that 13/14th gen CPUs is ass, but I also hear itās still amazing. Idk š¤·āāļø
Iām still on 12th gen cpu 
coarse nimbus
its just RNG if your chip gets fucked or not i think
coarse nimbus
but you know.. really suboptimal for such a massive cpu maker to have a fuck up like this
lost cargo
I mean, everything is trial and error. They donāt always magically work perfectly as you expect all the time
Nvidia had a rough start. In their early stages of the company. Now they are booming. Yet have some errors with 50 series.
coarse nimbus
lost cargo
Not everything is good or perfect
coarse nimbus
well its big tech companies being complacent probably
like the high speed internet providers jacking up prices because they have no competition and just shafting the consumer
lost cargo
Maybe or how the tech is. Idk š¤·āāļø. Iām not deco to say what it could or canāt be
coarse nimbus
you need to up your snobby
lost cargo
like the high speed internet providers jacking up prices because they have no co...
Fiber internet provider be like:
But Google fiber is surprisingly cheap but limited rn in some areas. Cuz fiber isnāt available everywhere
My brother got fiber internet. Bought 2 nodes things. Heās only paying 100 sum usd per month
ivory creek
my brother got 1gb/sec fibre included in his rent, meanwhile im stuck with lousy koax
ivory creek
old copper wires
coarse nimbus
yeah i havent encountered it with a k before
i ran my own lines for comcast and just had them come back to hook it up
ivory creek
i dont really care about the speed, i can get over 1gb/sec but i want the low pings
coarse nimbus
then years later i had my own cable box instead of renting and comcast like upped their speeds i think, and the internet was constantly disconnecting, i drove twice to the comcast store nearest me to get a temp box from them and "magically nothing was wrong"
ivory creek
at my parents place with fiber i got like 1-10 ping to european bf servers. now i get 30+
coarse nimbus
bruh under 50 is fine dont be so low ping privileged
ivory creek
lol
coarse nimbus
so the best part with my comcast BS is, i had like 5 techs come out trying to find the problem, no one could find anything blah blah.. finally the last dude who comes out is like the senior bad ass tech "they call me in when theres big issues... but i can tell you right now its probably just your personal cable box"
dude ends up looking at the coax line.. THAT I GOT FROM COMCAST, and is like oh this coax line is out dated and the new higher speed signal is fucking with it
ivory creek
lol
coarse nimbus
took him like 5 seconds to read the fucking lettering on the cable lol
youre telling me none of these other jackwagon techs do that shit
lost cargo
Cox internet gives me 25 ping. I donāt have fiber
My brother have Google fiber. And he gets 10 ping
coarse nimbus
big fiber keeping you down
pale quartz
My brother have Google fiber. And he gets 10 ping
the term "fibre" is in itself deceiving
you're not guaranteed the same ping across providers because if it's an established isp their infrastructure will be using copper for the core network meaning when you "ping" something you are going to get a delay from it
Google fibre uses exclusively fibre for their entire line so they don't have this problem, comex et al ones that have been around for 30 years don't and more or less don't bother to upgrade them
lost cargo
I mean šŖ his download and upload is far faster than mine to 
obtuse wharf
Have ATT fiber and just did a cmd ping to google and it was 22ms lat avg
small zinc
ATT uses actual fiber optic lines as well.
molten flame
Windows 11 is almost inoperable if you have just 16GB ram
my handheld that I recently just setup with fresh install of W11 has fucking 65% memory utilization when sitting idle
with chrome open it's almost at 80% utilization
I might have to revert to W10
just need SteamOS to come to more brands tbh
ivory creek
i just read that the new cyberpunk patch give up to 33% better performance on intel arrow lake cpus due to new optimizations
thats huge
midnight crypt
Huge 3 fps gain
pale quartz
i just read that the new cyberpunk patch give up to 33% better performance on in...
yes the problem is its only a singular game
CDPR is an exception not the rule, in 90% of other games its still a non buy
light plinth
hey guys, i need some help
i installed bf5, and the loading takes forever. Like it takes 30-40 minutes to load in.
i tried clearing cache, reinstalling game, even reinstalling windows 10 and 11.
https://prnt.sc/qN9IvPM1b6I2
lost cargo
Twitter
light plinth
ok then where is the support
pale quartz
there isnt here
ivory creek
lost cargo
digital hill
Well microsoft decided to reverse their unable to update to windows 11 without tpm 2 policy
pale quartz
Well microsoft decided to reverse their unable to update to windows 11 without t...
no they didnt
don't believe misinformation
When Windows 11 is installed on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements, a watermark is added to the Windows 11 desktop.
you dont get updates either
digital hill
Ah
I see what they are doing
Essentially make sure they are reminded their pc is old via watermark
and this could force them to upgrade
pale quartz
it is a terrible idea to upgrade to 11 if you're on something that doesn't support tpm because VBS will tank your performance by some 40%
digital hill
Oh, now I see what they are doing
The update just slows down all the windows 10 pc to feel sluggish
If you don't support tpm 1.2
Kinda an asshole move
brave sundial
I mean it's good, atleast they're providing an option even it's a shitty one
pale quartz
it's not an asshole move
to be frank if you're on an ass platform that has 0 support you have bigger problems to worry about than the metaphorical implications of windows forcing stuff they should have a decade ago with not being able to run games above 60 FPS most of the time
digital hill
True
Google made chrome os flex, to try to leverage that market but failed because people are not informed enough to even know how to install it
ivory creek
We should all move to something free and easy like linux mint, and push their development
brave sundial
Easier said than done
pale quartz
how are you going to do that when you can't code lol
digital hill
We should all move to something free and easy like linux mint, and push their de...
So they can live enough to become the enemy
pale quartz
I certainly don't think you have donated to the Linux foundation either
digital hill
If you really think about it, linux foundation is already well funded
brave sundial
but deco I must own the windows plebs
digital hill
because while the consumer market is weak, the server market is powerful
pale quartz
that doesn't matter people acting as if they're moral saints not using windows are just idiots in actuality
willow schooner
Replace the word "Standards" with "Linux Distributions"
pale quartz
the resources of the Linux foundation are nowhere close to the resources windows has and it will never be
digital hill
I think the issue is microsoft not making an inbetween OS, windows 10 was promoted as the last verison of windows
and then windows 11 came with this requirements,
pale quartz
there is nothing controversial here and people need to get over their hardware lasting 10 years
there is no issue either
odd wolf
yeah hardware lasting 10 years is about the environment idiot
brave sundial
i actually dualboot arch but I've been using it alot less compared to windows since the start of my next semester because half the software I need to use isn't on linux and it sucks on wine
odd wolf
so much e waste
digital hill
I think I can state, it 10 year old hardware is still useful, let me find my government 4th intel small intel pc
pale quartz
environment?, the emissions come from production lol
odd wolf
whatever same point
digital hill
It have a tpm 1.2 chip
pale quartz
do you seriously think you're doing anything to help the environment?
you're doing zilch nothing
odd wolf
Everything will be cloud in the future to protect the environment once bandwidth allows, graphics power will be paywalled
pale quartz
no it won't be but sure say the thing people have been saying for over a decade
digital hill
no it won't be but sure say the thing people have been saying for over a decade
Is the issue, consumer thinks a computer is a like car
Like a car can be handed down
pale quartz
yeah that's the problem and people saying there is a "issue" with forcing requirements is the diagnosis lol
odd wolf
were going to have to make products that last for decades otherwise were gonna screw the environment, but that would take honor which no one has
brave sundial
do you seriously think you're doing anything to help the environment?
When will the average consumer be able to buy carbon credits and offsets so they can feel good about themselves and proclaim they're 100% renewable energy and care about the environment
odd wolf
fast money!
pale quartz
I heard people complaining about fuck all for apple enforcing encryption on their phones and laptops but somehow it's now a problem with windows
digital hill
I heard people complaining about fuck all for apple enforcing encryption on thei...
I think consumer might not be able to afford new pc for americans next year, because of well politics
pale quartz
that's the consumer's problem
willow schooner
A computer can be like a car if you spend enough on it. Buy the best hardware right now and it will probably last you 8-10 years.
People expect mid tier computer hardware to last a decade tho. Which in a capitalist system isnt going to happen (Cos you know...companies want your money, not your business)
pale quartz
tpm isn't new and it's not expensive
pale quartz
ok? I don't see how this has anything to do with the topic
digital hill
It does
Tarriffs, so computers later like the shittest of pc that supports windows 11 might be $500 for consumers
in america
pale quartz
I think you're wanting me to have sympathy or something for people using decades old hardware on the premise that they're some victim or something, they're not and these arguments are dumb
it is a matter of fact that a modern platform costs less than 200 nowadays
and no amount of "tariffs" changes anything
digital hill
It does
digital hill
It isn't that, it is more when new market goes up, the used market always follows
pale quartz
if you are actually telling me that a B450 board that costs $50 is going to cost $100 after tariffs you don't understand economics
digital hill
Let us make a deal for july 2025
If the prices go up to $100 used, then you lose
but if it goes down, then you win
I'll put $10 euros
ivory creek
Lol
pale quartz
i can assure you there isn't going to be those prices unless there's 100%+ tariffs this is fearmongering
willow schooner
Used markets and pricing from what I see from buying/selling in them over the years seem to more so fluctuate based on supply and demand. Rather than cost of new parts.
pale quartz
^
tariffs only impact products that are new dude
not products already in the country
I know you want to try and rationalise why 2013 hardware is fine to have in 2024 but this isn't how you do it
it's the same argumentation that applies to people still having pascal GPUs
willow schooner
A recent example being...GPUs were like hens teeth during Crypto boom...there was demand and little supply (As all new stock was being bought up for farming). This also made used prices go up, as people wanted GPU, but there were none at reasonable prices. (Because people knew others wanted GPUs, and as demand was high, price can go up and be paid)
IMO, its too early to judge how tariffs will affect markets. Be it new or used.
cursive marten
I mean, it'll probably cause shit to be more expensive, as companies will charge more to compensate for the tariffs.
willow schooner
More than likely, but it remains to be seen.
cursive marten
I mean, if there's a different option i'd love to hear it.
pale quartz
they will be more expensive
cursive marten
I imagine it'll either be like that or shit will just stop being sold here.
pale quartz
but that's the gamble you play with waiting to begin with
NV has ceased production of Ada cards as they do every generation to keep up the value of current cards before BL comes out
willow schooner
Either way, it (Tariffs) is just passing on the issue to the citizen/civilian, and doesnt really improve much in the long term/for the big picture. A tariff being imposed on goods is not going to make manufacturers decide to build in the US, at least not in any meaningful way
cursive marten
yeah, which is not going to be of benefit to anyone.
willow schooner
Its to the benefit of the party that used it (Or the idea of it)as a net positive of their economic plan, thats about it
sour belfry
Really don't want to go into politics but I'm sure said taffirs won't last more than 24 hrs, just like the last time it happened
The crypto stuff was really impacful back in the day
sour belfry
I got my 3060 for like 800 lol
willow schooner
Time will tell, im sure every loop hole will be deployed regardless. ITs not like any administration actually cares about its enforcement. They got in, thats all they care about.
pale quartz
GPUs will be the most heavily impacted because BOM material costs pass through the US often, other hardware supplies not so much
dram will increase by itself because Samsung micron and others are hiking contract prices
cursive marten
Really don't want to go into politics but I'm sure said taffirs won't last more ...
It depends on how stubborn the administration is, and it's clear that they're gonna be running their own agenda regardless of how the public feels about it, lies are already coming out.
The American public has already been duped, the question is if they'll realize it and try to mitigate the damage.
sour belfry
because they did last time
I can't find the article but the guy did the same thing on his past administration, and as usual, it was mostly theater and lasted only 24hrs. I'm from Mexico and we did the same, both Tariffs for both countries lasted only 24hrs, nothing happened
sour belfry
It depends on how stubborn the administration is, and it's clear that they're go...
Agreed, but as I said let's not get into that
pale quartz
I can't find the article but the guy did the same thing on his past administrati...
the implications this time round are different because it's about onshoring chip production, there's been a long span between then
will it work yes to a certain extent not to a massive degree though
sour belfry
the implications this time round are different because it's about onshoring chip...
It's actually quite similar, I would said at least chips and metallurgic have something in common
ivory creek
I think my dad have an old gtx 660 and intel i7 4700k or something and it works fine for what he use it for, not everyone game . And its not like he have problems with money either, he just doesnt mind
sour belfry
I think my dad have an old gtx 660 and intel i7 4700k or something and it works ...
Fair
pale quartz
It's actually quite similar, I would said at least chips and metallurgic have so...
the production not the raw material
cursive marten
Agreed, but as I said let's not get into that
i mean, it's relevant to the conversation, if we can't get into it, we might as well just stop talking about the tariffs at all.
Let's not pretend like they're not for political reasons.
sour belfry
the production not the raw material
They still relate
pale quartz
yes but they're still nothing alike
sour belfry
i mean, it's relevant to the conversation, if we can't get into it, we might as ...
Yeah, dangerous territory lol
sour belfry
Let's not pretend like they're not for political reasons.
Oh that's a fact
pale quartz
the concentration of those fields are not similar and they're not close to (how it's made)
sour belfry
the concentration of those fields are not similar and they're not close to (how ...
That's true, but for me the reason is fundamentally the same, political.
This!
As a certain someone said, politicizing the economy is a bad idea
cursive marten
yeah, because the economy effects everyone with the possible exception of the ultra-rich, they are the most insolated from fallout, which is probably by design.
brave sundial
be careful being this upfront with the politics
cursive marten
<:frogconcern:1039275213910708345> be careful being this upfront with the polit...
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
sour belfry
<:frogconcern:1039275213910708345> be careful being this upfront with the polit...
Like them said is unfortunately directly co related ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
cursive marten
they wanna warn me for that, I don't care, not like it matters.
digital hill
@pale quartz what Microsoft is doing is a vista move
pale quartz
?
digital hill
Windows vista when it came out
The pcs that had the sticker still couldnāt run it
pale quartz
ok?
digital hill
So like 11 not a lot of people will upgrade
digital hill
When they upgrade theyāll downgrade like people from vista back to xp
And 12 will be the one people will actually upgrade and like
Vista was too ahead of time
And it evolved to 7 which everyone approved of and fond of
pale quartz
yeah yeah anyways the statistics speak for themselves
please observe that steep decline over the last year for windows 10 and a near direct change to 11 in that direction
what you're saying is quite frankly based on nothing, the data is the exact opposite conclusion and windows 10 is ceasing support next year
if someone's stupid enough to not want security updates that's on them
burnt coyote
im worried about the amount of e waste when windows 10 loses support
enterprise users will have a few years of support through contracts and windows 10 ltsc will have support till 2027 home users will have to pay to have security updates
pale quartz
the main holdouts are mainly enterprise as it is always is but it is bordering on delusional to claim 11 is the same as vista
burnt coyote
windows 11 is fine just debloat it and its fine to use
cursive marten
I donno, I hated using Windows 11 when I tried it. I couldn't really debloat it properly.
brave sundial
all the 'debloating' you need is getting rid of preinstalled crap like copilot or OEM rubbish and turning off all those telemetry toggles in settings.
And ignore edge's existence
can't uninstall that, quite a bit of modern W11 now relies on that because they're web apps
cursive marten
I don't know why Microsoft insists on making everything reliant on a web browser nobody likes.
like what does Edge do that Firefox doesn't.
brave sundial
It's beneficial for them, plainly stated. And now I suppose it's actually usable because it's chromium
Even though I preferred pre-chromium edge, that had its own quirks that were really good
Like really smooth pdf viewing
cursive marten
I don't really care for Chromium, purely because Google's monopoly sucks shit.
and also Google broke adblockers, so they can fuck off.
brave sundial
And now I only use edge for extensions I can't get on Firefox. 
brave sundial
I don't really care for Chromium, purely because Google's monopoly sucks shit.
I wish mozilla wasn't so poorly lead
we still don't have hdr support
cursive marten
I mean, I don't have an HDR display so thisi s a non-issue for me.
pale quartz
ad blockers were not 'broken' lol
digital hill
ad blockers were not 'broken' lol
You know ad blockers are required
When the feds even says so
pale quartz
yeah.. chrome didnt break them..
burnt coyote
is it worth upgrading from a ryzen 5600 to a 5700x3d?
cursive marten
ad blockers were not 'broken' lol
i mean, they made it so ublock origin does not work on Chrome so
pale quartz
is it worth upgrading from a ryzen 5600 to a 5700x3d?
yes
molten flame
2 extra cores and 3x more L3 cache
20% performance gain at least
I went from 5600G to 5800X3D
went from 16MB L3 cache to 96MB
burnt coyote
what from a 6700 xt to a 7800 xt?
pale quartz
what from a 6700 xt to a 7800 xt?
yes aswell
burnt coyote
ty
dry pike
i mean, they made it so ublock origin does not work on Chrome so
Still works here. Just waiting for it to break.
lost cargo
My YouTube and Twitch still donāt get ads, with MS edge Adblock 
Never gotten any in a very long time.
Fuck, even my phone barley get any ads and I stop paying for YT premium cuz thatās shit is expensive asf greedy prices, And twitch turboā¦ I stop paying for them.
burnt coyote
I've already switched to firefix
terse glade
Me too
quick locust
Intel marketing stepped up
brave sundial
i remember cards having characters like those on the gpu boxes
We need windows anime back
digital hill
Or buy a powerful gaming pc
cursive marten
would rather watch the $2750 in cash burn
I mean, I assume a large part of that cost is labor in building these.
ivory creek
Why isnt temu and ali shut down, they mostly sell fakes
brave sundial
don't shut down Ali
Genuinely great for getting enthusiast and super niche stuff and tools.
Where else are you going to find replacement parts for a 20 year old console that don't cost you like $80
Temu can go, stuff is more expensive there than Ali now
brave sundial
Ofcourse I'm not going to buy something that needs to be well built and secure like an outlet extension from there
But for stuff like keyboard parts it's great
Many major switch manufacturers sell directly through ali
brave sundial
Ure going to get lowgrade stuff that might burn down your house
I just use something called common sense and a bit of searching around or consulting reddit
Alot of amazon these days are just temu or aliexpress dropshippers
ivory creek
Many fake ssds called samsung evo were sold through ali, performing worse than a usb3 stick
Lol
terse glade
brave sundial
As I said, common sense
if you buy a '2TB' USB for under $8 from there then who's the bigger fool?
But for memory card adapters for the psp or Vita. Cost under $1 there(they cost under 0.40 to make) and like $12 on amazon. They're the exact same thing, amazon sellers just make insane markup from it.
pale quartz
Why isnt temu and ali shut down, they mostly sell fakes
shut down by who? they're Chinese companies
terse glade
I heard you also can get legit CPUs from there for cheap which are actually legit bit ofc we speak with just a saving of 50ā¬ at most
So it's not ridiculously cheaper
pale quartz
yes you can
Amazon's just as guilty for selling fakes since they allow for third party sellers do we shut them down too
terse glade
I never would buy anything from ali because i dont want to deal with costums
ivory creek
I only buy stuff from amazon when it state that its both sold and delivered by amazon itself
midnight crypt
I only buy from there if it's the only place selling the product i want
dry pike
I hate buying from Amazon. Only do it when i cant get stuff anywhere else. They are not cheaper. Also, packages get split into many packages. So annoying. Oh, and they are evil too ofc.
candid flame
not the outerwear you need but the outerwear you deserve
coarse nimbus
better than your gpu fiasco
terse glade
short pawn
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/286212172037?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=b3oQxN61QTm&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY is it possible to tell if this is like used for mining or anything sketchy
I mean it's probably fine
But I just wanna check
cursive marten
Realistically, it shouldn't matter
unless the person that was using it before was an idiot, even if it was used for mining it should still be fine.
molten flame
there is speculation that Intel's Battlemage GPU Arc B580 is being sold with no profit or even possibly at a loss
digital hill
there is speculation that Intel's Battlemage GPU Arc B580 is being sold with no ...
If that is the case, then why sell it at all
coarse nimbus
given their 13/14th gen fiasco their bean counters probably wouldnt like that
digital hill
Or are they doing a sony sell it cheap but add a subscription later
pale quartz
there is speculation that Intel's Battlemage GPU Arc B580 is being sold with no ...
yes it's sold at a loss
molten flame
If that is the case, then why sell it at all
it makes sense because Arc B580 has a 275mm^2 size chip on TSMC 5nm and the card retails at $250
meanwhile the RX 7600XT is on much cheaper 6nm process and is only 204mm^2, at $300+
digital hill
yes it's sold at a loss
Any reason why they are doing that
Like I'm thinking they're going to add a subscription with the card like all consoles are sold at a loss
molten flame
reason why CEO was forced to leave
digital hill
but make back their money off subscription
cursive marten
any reason why they wouldn't do that
pale quartz
Any reason why they are doing that
loss leader strategy, they can't compete on price because the NV product is worth 50 more~, and GPUs are expensive
and no it wasn't why gelsinger was forced to leave lol
brave sundial
there is speculation that Intel's Battlemage GPU Arc B580 is being sold with no ...
Well that should be obvious lol
digital hill
Let me finish reading but it seems that is a very summarized reason why the intel ceo was fired
brave sundial
It's the only way they can effectively chip into the market, legitimately
With the progress they're at right now
digital hill
Ah ok I see why he was fired, he failed to do his job in turning intel around
brave sundial
More like the board was fed up with his plans
*they were too impatient at see the fruititions of his plans
pale quartz
gelsinger being fired had nothing to do with Intel's discrete line
digital hill
Pretty much more like money
His plans to turn the company around failed
They lost more money then they made, had to layoff more people
brave sundial
I don't think anyone was going to miraculously make them spring back quickly from how badly they've fucked up for years
pale quartz
it's to do with IFS not GPUs lol
digital hill
Me looking at AMD
molten flame
IFS was some type of service with data center stuff right?
digital hill
it's to do with IFS not GPUs lol
I know, it was stock plummted and they got really pissed
molten flame
molten flame
digital hill
and the fx series
molten flame
digital hill
CHIPS act is such a failure with intel
digital hill
You forget, AMD was so far behind people recommended intel until their infamous ryzen series
Then they made a comeback in the CPU Market, they also came back with the GPU with the RX series
brave sundial
<@335101565713121281> Did you forget about AMD
did amd miraculously spring back in 2 years under Su?
digital hill
<:frogconcern:1039275213910708345> did amd miraculously spring back in 2 years u...
Let me check
Yes
brave sundial
digital hill
She became ceo in 2014 right
so in 2016, there shares went up so yes, in 2 years it sprung back
@brave sundial Based on the wiki
digital hill
Too bad the stock says otherwise
brave sundial
terse glade
Raytracing seems like a scam anyway by nvidia to raise their card sales
Fr i don't see difference š
pale quartz
dry pike
Raytracing seems like a scam anyway by nvidia to raise their card sales
RTX is the typical market leader behavior to solidify their standing in the market. It was wholly anti consumer and the first many generations were crap, and while it has gotten better the cost/performance ratio is still crap.
But that's sometimes how you kinda have to introduce new tech
pale quartz
if you cant tell the difference between full raytracing implementations and software techniques it might be time for an eye test
digital hill
if you cant tell the difference between full raytracing implementations and soft...
If he's playing bfv
then it'll be hard to tell the difference
Unless he is playing more modern games
ivory creek
cyberpunks psycho reflection setting or whatever the highest one is called looks pretty impressive aswell, i can hardly tell the difference from that and raytracing, but then again it almost take as much power
toxic wigeon
There was an RTX test in one of the pre releases for bf5 and I literally couldn't recognise the landmarks its crazy.
lost cargo
Depending on the game. You will notice a difference between the 2. But at the end of the day. Ray tracing is better than path tracing
modern gull
if you cant tell the difference between full raytracing implementations and soft...
In fairness some cases/games ray tracing don't always look that great, and voxel based soluitions could look better, excluding reflections that is. Specially thinking early use of ray tracing in games. In example UE5 voxel based reflections are quite good imo but far from as great as ray tracing. I guess you could say it depends on the developers too some extent
turbid verge
livid finch
Guys since i upgraded my cpu cooler my Performance on my pc went insanely good, i cant believe i played horrible with the intel stock cpu for that long time
No massive fps drops or lags ect
I use i7 12700f and used the stock cooler smh
toxic wigeon
Oh dear.
digital hill
Guys since i upgraded my cpu cooler my Performance on my pc went insanely good, ...
This one right?
livid finch
This one right?
looks a little different i had
digital hill
this one?
livid finch
His processor was overheating
i was always wondering why my room became so warm in winter
digital hill
Yeah never use stock coolers with extremely powerful processors
midnight crypt
It's insane that they even bundle those coolers with it
Since it ain't even close to be being good enough
livid finch
Ikr 
toxic wigeon
Yeah no anything x7 and above you will need a decent cooler.
Especially intel /x3d.
pale quartz
they dont bundle a cooler with x3d processors anyways
the wraith spire line etc only applies to default skus
terse glade
5700X3D can be cooled by a Wraith Prism
Yea its a pretty cool cpu. Never reached higher than 73c on my dark rock 2 which is a really small cooler tbf. Usually chills at 60c on normal gaming even at cyberpunk. The only time it really goes on is when playing cities skylines 2 lol
Definitely enough for me for the next 3-5 years
Then am6 comes out i guess?
brave sundial
It's insane that they even bundle those coolers with it
Well it's better than having no cooler
lost cargo
^speaking fax
ivory creek
i dont think the new highend cpus come with a cooler
cuz they're useless
i however can use a noctua nh-d15 and the default fans in my case to keep my cpu more than cool enough
i wonder how low the temps would go with a custom water loop
pale quartz
you're not going to get very far with the x3d chips
the cache is near the top so it will always be more or less hot (unless you have a 9800 in which case the cache is flipped)
ivory creek
im terrified of doing a loop anyway, im sure i would fail to tighten something and make it leak
ivory creek
rumors have it that the 5070ti will be the same gpu as 5080 but cut down
from what i read
i will probably aim for a 5070ti to replace my 3090 once it release
ivory creek
only game that use more than 16gb is rust as far as i know
rust use more and more vram the longer u play
so a leak
molten flame
bad optimization, just from the graphics alone a game like that should need no more than 2GB vram lol
ivory creek
new rust if u have full distance view etc looks pretty good, its nothing like the original
coarse nimbus
so youre saying its pretty polished? shouldnt be called rust anymore
ivory creek
no it got leaks, but only using 2gb vram is a stretch
lost cargo
so youre saying its pretty polished? _shouldnt be called rust anymore_ <:CursedC...
The rust is polished, not the metal
dry pike
Wonder how effectively a 5090 can heat up my place.
lost cargo
My friend have a 4090 and it runs cool. I wonder if is hotter than 4090. If so, how hotter
dry pike
I will hardly call 450W "cool".
lost cargo
Rumor but sheesh
dry pike
My current card runs 350W so almost double, if it followos the trend then 550W for the 5090 seems plausible
200 watt more is not something I want but I do want that FPS
lost cargo
Watch 6090 be more powerful with less watts
willow schooner
It will probably pull the same power or a touch more than the 4090.
dry pike
They typically just raise the wattage to gain more speed for a while, then new tech finally gives some performance per watt increases and it starts over
dry pike
Why innovate too much when you can just throw power at it?
Nvidia doesn't like spending their efforts to innovate past what is needed to earn money.
turbid verge
Nvidia has been using AI for a while now
I mean literally the whole RTX used an AI algorithm since it was released
willow schooner
Nvidia doesn't like spending their efforts to innovate past what is needed to ea...
Thats legitimately not what happens. There is, and has been a lot of innovation in almost every Nvidia generation...with the exception of maybe Fermi. The reason they throw every bit of power they can is because the consumer demands it.
Look at Zen5 and Arrow Lake releases. Both tuned to be power efficient, and ridiculed because of it. Consumers demand the best possible performance (Or close to it) out of the box.
dry pike
I'll not argue against Zen 5 and Arrow Lake. Most consumers don't care about power efficiency although they should.
However, I think the Nvidia level of innovation is being very nice to Nvidia. I think they do just enough to sell more cards, especially focusing on advancing the parts that would require people buying new cards like DLSS versions that are not backwards compatible and leaps in RTX performance (despite lacking adoption).
willow schooner
So 2080 > 3090 > 4090 wasnt an advancement?
brave sundial
I'll not argue against Zen 5 and Arrow Lake. Most consumers don't care about pow...
Nvidia isn't just consumer though
willow schooner
Nvidias smallest market is gaming consumers
they could stop selling gaming GPUs and probably not miss that market
brave sundial
Blackwell GB200 or whatever it's called is an insane advancement from the previous gen for servers
brave sundial
they could stop selling gaming GPUs and probably not miss that market
And they won't because it's free money essentially with the only competitor in the space being behind and the other being on the brink of leaving the market entirely
digital hill
Wonder how effectively a 5090 can heat up my place.
Damn your talking about that rather then accepting my gift of the nexus 5596up
But in seriousness
Gonna guess only when gaming it will heat up
dry pike
gamers be gamin
short pawn
is it ok ish that i go for a 9900 regular non K version for my 9400f upgrade
or is that worst than the 9700k
specifically cause all the K listings are by like the chinese recyclers reselling ES confidential versions
willow schooner
or is that worst than the 9700k
Avoid the 9700k at all costs. It has no hyperthreading which causes a bunch of issues in modern games.
9900 non k would be a decent upgrade for you, if you are stuck on a board that doesnt support newer CPUs. You'd go from 6 threads to 16 threads, and much higher max clocks
short pawn
9900 non k would be a decent upgrade for you, if you are stuck on a board that d...
Arigh I'll stick to the 9900 +
turbid verge
Rumor but sheesh
maybe I'll bother buy a 5080 next year
terse glade
I'll get the 5060 16gb vram one i guess
turbid verge
I need to bother neough to even buy one. But maybe since my 3070 is throttling my 7800X3D 
empty heron
i need help
with bf5
i need to send a screenshot so you can see, but essentially, the fps drops and the game stutters with my new 3080ti, i updated all drivers and it shouldn't do this.
can someone help? maybe it's related to dlss?
or something?
gpu suddenly works 21%
why is that?
candid flame
bf5? turn off dlss, ray tracing
don't use rt and dlss in bf5, it's the most basic version of dlss and it's awful
empty heron
don't use rt and dlss in bf5, it's the most basic version of dlss and it's awful
but for some people in youtube with my gpu it's working friend
are you sure it's not a problem with my gpu?
it's new so i'm worrying
pale quartz
it won't be the Nvidia app, that just drops the average, it's the filter specifically
willow schooner
lol it doesnt affect anything that much
pale quartz
you just turn it off
willow schooner
It could be multiple things and not the game at the same time. Like a bad PCIE slot seat. Best thing to do would be download GPUz and make sure your GPU is running in x16 PCIE 4.0, or whatever its expected highest value is while a game runs
pale quartz
you said you upgraded, from which GPU?
midnight crypt
A mystery
candid flame
I hope his 3080 is not a scam chinese gpu lol
pale quartz
1070 ti
use ddu when upgrading from a old generation like pascal and reinstall the drivers, this is likely a shader cache problem
ddu and reinstall the Nvidia driver
empty heron
use ddu when upgrading from a old generation like pascal and reinstall the drive...
i did it already
thanks for the advice
pale quartz
not sure then but I suspect it's to do with the shader cache stuttering is suspect to most targets for it, you can wipe it using disk cleanup, also, if you're on windows 11 make sure you have tpm secure boot etc all on as ea anticheat enforces these for battlefield 5
core isolation/hypervisor code enforcement and everything else will need to be on
midnight crypt
Could just be dx12 being garbage
candid flame
it is pretty garbage in bf5 lol
pale quartz
shader compilation is done by the driver (in cache)
ivory creek
I think its in bf1 i get horrible performance if i turn on dx12 but everything is fine with the earlier, or was that bf5?
empty heron
not sure then but I suspect it's to do with the shader cache stuttering is suspe...
hi i sent you screenshot is this disc cleanup?
if so, i think i did it
pale quartz
is that windows 10?
empty heron
is that windows 10?
yeah i have windows 10
pale quartz
yeah i have windows 10
unsure on that then sorry been a few years since I used 10 to triage game issues
empty heron
unsure on that then sorry been a few years since I used 10 to triage game issues
i did clean shader cache yesterday via diskcleanup
so, maybe it's the dlss
idk
it's also happening in bf 2047
candid flame
you don't need dlss with your gpu, just turn it off and switch back to dx11
see if that fixes the issue
empty heron
you don't need dlss with your gpu, just turn it off and switch back to dx11
so only disable the dx12? (can i keep ray tracing?)
ivory creek
There was just an article released that default settings in the nvidia app in some games can cause up to a 15% loss in performance, u fix that by turning off the filters and some photo mode
midnight crypt
RT only works on dx12
candid flame
so only disable the dx12? (can i keep ray tracing?)
turn off ray tracing as well, it's literally useless in bf5 as it only affect ambience occlusion and you won't notice it
empty heron
turn off ray tracing as well, it's literally useless in bf5 as it only affect am...
i'm trying now
thanks
is your advice also applies to bf2042?
candid flame
yeah with a 3080ti you don't need dlss
but 2042 is forced on dx12 so you have to run on that
empty heron
yeah with a 3080ti you don't need dlss
i disabled dx12, and the it still stutters and fps drops for some reason. the gpu is working 60% or so
candid flame
let the shader complete loading and see if it still stutters
pale quartz
i disabled dx12, and the it still stutters and fps drops for some reason. the gp...
what is your processor by chance?
empty heron
what is your processor by chance?
razen 7 3700x
pale quartz
ehh should be fine mostly
empty heron
let the shader complete loading and see if it still stutters
what do you mean? it doesn't load anything as far as i can see
pale quartz
though if it's zen 2 stuttering isnt* unexpected
dry pike
can't expect 90% usage on a 3080ti when combined with a 3700x for 2042
ivory creek
maybe if he increase the resolution to 4k
quick locust
Just going for that PS5 Pro experience
molten flame
PS5 Pro gonna get out-phased faster than the Xbox One X
coarse nimbus
yeah but after its phased out youll have a collectors item, not some generic MS trash
lethal lake
Apparently large amount of players are running into the error "Unable to load persistence data" after launching the game. It's an error that blocks you from connecting to the online servers and playing. I'm one of those people. They started complaining about this today in the community and nobody has come up with a solution. I have tried everything I could think and find for hours but nope didn't work. Maybe you can help?
ivory creek
dlss that looks exactly like the native res would be the dream. you can still see flickering in some details and other fractals with the dlss we have today
willow schooner
It currently depends on, and likely always will depend on the games themselves to have, or not have flickering when upscaling. Nvidia can do a tonne of work to improve things, but at the end of the day, the responsibility is on the game devs.
midnight crypt
Aka it wont be fixed
terse glade
next-gen DLSS exclusive to 5000 series, called it
i F****** knew it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
another exclusive for the new series
god damn
why they cant make it at least make it compatible with 40 series thats out of my mind
lost cargo
Different chip
dry pike
Why plan backwards compatability when you can plan to create a "new chip" each time and earn more money
lost cargo
And be better than the last set
empty heron
what is your processor by chance?
is it normal for my gpu to be at 60% usage while playing?
battelfield 5
as i said i have the amd razen 7 3700x
cpu
willow schooner
What is your CPU usage at. If the game is maxing out the cores/threads it can use, then lower GPU usage is expected.
empty heron
i will tell you thanks, just a sec i will open the game
empty heron
What is your CPU usage at. If the game is maxing out the cores/threads it can us...
around 45%
and the gpu 55%-63%
dry pike
Guessing 3 CPU cores are maxed out
willow schooner
And in GPUz, what PCIE mode does it day your gpu is using?
empty heron
And in GPUz, what PCIE mode does it day your gpu is using?
how do i check this one friend?
willow schooner
Download GPU-z, run it, see what PCIE mode your GPU is running in
lost cargo
empty heron
Download GPU-z, run it, see what PCIE mode your GPU is running in
it says PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 1.1
willow schooner
If you hit the ? it can run a render test to make sure it runs 4.0 x16 under load
empty heron
If you hit the ? it can run a render test to make sure it runs 4.0 x16 under loa...
do i need to render it in full screen?
willow schooner
Nope
empty heron
thanks ust a secš š
willow schooner
Honestly it just looks like you are being CPU bottlenecked.
The 3700x is fine, but it is pretty old at this stage.
empty heron
now it says instead of PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 1.1 - - PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 3.0, it's still runing though
willow schooner
It didnt jump to 4.0?
You only need to run it for a moment. Its not a timed test, it will never stop
empty heron
You only need to run it for a moment. Its not a timed test, it will never stop
so yeah, instead of PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 1.1 - - PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 3.0 and after i stopped it, its now back to PCIe x16 4.0 @ x16 1.1
willow schooner
do you have CPUz on your PC? Maybe the issue is single channel RAM or something
empty heron
do you have CPUz on your PC? Maybe the issue is single channel RAM or something
yeah, i checked it via cpu-z
oh wait
willow schooner
Is it single channel, or dual channel?
empty heron
it's gpuz
willow schooner
Get CPUz, run it and check the memory tab
empty heron
Get CPUz, run it and check the memory tab
thanks, you really helping me!
empty heron
Get CPUz, run it and check the memory tab
how do i check now in cpuz?
willow schooner
memory tab, it should say single or dual channel
How many sticks of RAM do you have?
That would have probably been a good first question to ask haha
empty heron
That would have probably been a good first question to ask haha
haha i see, in that case i have two
empty heron
memory tab, it should say single or dual channel
and now what should i check in that tab? (sorry for being stupid i'm no pc expert haha
dry pike
2042 likes a few of its cores to be very fast. While the 3700x is a good CPU, that's its weakest point. Also, settings can affect utilization quite a lot. I have a 3080ti too and a significantly faster CPU and get similar utilizations
willow schooner
there should be a section labelled "channel" that tells you if youre running single or dual channel
Yeah, 3700x is fine, but it is 5 years old now, nearly 6. It is a lot slower than newer CPUs.
empty heron
there should be a section labelled "channel" that tells you if youre running sin...
in that case, 2 x 64-bit
empty heron
2042 likes a few of its cores to be very fast. While the 3700x is a good CPU, th...
ah i see thanks for informing
willow schooner
2x64 is dual channel. So that at least eliminates that as an issue.
empty heron
2x64 is dual channel. So that at least eliminates that as an issue.
ah i see, that's good. so the previous check i did is ok? because you said something about it not being 4.0 no?
empty heron
2x64 is dual channel. So that at least eliminates that as an issue.
hi, when you here, i would really appreciate the help, i ust don't know what to do hahaš
willow schooner
There doesnt seem like there is much more to do. Are you getting poor FPS or something outsid eof low GPU usage?
crude pewter
Anyone here have any knowledge on sounds cards?
willow schooner
Enough to know not to buy them
crude pewter
Enough to know not to buy them
Why is that?
coarse nimbus
onboard sound is good enough?
empty heron
There doesnt seem like there is much more to do. Are you getting poor FPS or som...
yeah sometmes it's just not high enough like others
crude pewter
I donāt really have knowledge on this side of PCs but I am a completive player who plays is CS and HLL tournaments and audio is a big thing in these games. My headset does 7.1 (donāt know if this makes much of a difference) but onboard only supports 5.1
mental pollen
would i be able to run 2042 with a RTX 3050 and amd ryzen 5 5600x cpu
lost cargo
prob at 1080p
mental pollen
prob at 1080p
what would my frames be
toxic wigeon
Your CPU is just good enough.
lost cargo
3050 is meh
molten flame
I sleep in the afternoon because I work overnight... I have to be awake to get this package but that's becoming impossible
idk why they need me to sign for it, I live in the woods where no one can even see my house
Also I'm mad that they don't tell me a specific time, they just say "estimated delivery 9AM-10PM"
coarse nimbus
no option to pick it up at a location?
tulip tide
playing bf1, getting 100-120fps but it feels super choppy like 60hz. monitor is set to 165 in control panel, no vsync gsync or anything like that. started today for seemingly no reason, fps is the same as it was yesterday but it feels so much worse. anyone know what could be the culprit?
molten flame
playing bf1, getting 100-120fps but it feels super choppy like 60hz. monitor is ...
This used to happen to me on war thunder, even if I'm at 400 fps, it still feels like 60 fps because of frametime inconsistency
tulip tide
maybe i should setup rivatuner and look at that
game felt smooth yesterday but today is just really rough
toxic wigeon
So my keyboard keeps on randomly disconnecting so I need to find a new port?
Is it just fucking dying?
lost cargo
Maybe both
molten flame
no option to pick it up at a location?
it's on the opposite side of the next town over, approx 30 miles
nah im good
coarse nimbus
big state is big
molten flame
cursive marten
touch screens on laptops seems like a cool idea till you actually use them and then you just use the trackpad most of the time anyway.
brave sundial
There's a reason why Apple refuses to adopt it