technology

[pastel field]

hmm

[toxic wigeon]

https://youtu.be/iyA9DRTJtyE?si=Jgr0d4kYJ9hcjCeV

[molten flame]

where Zen 6 leaks

[molten flame]

Zen 5 more like Zen +5%

[prime jasper]

https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/360059641133-Onboard-Memory-Manager for logitech mouse/kb users. this allows you to never use g-hub again but still change settings

you only need to change your device to onboard memory mode in g-hub after that you never need to use it

[pale quartz]

not strictly true

not all of them support it and b you require g hub for firmware updates to devices

[prime jasper]

yeah well if you want to update

[brave sundial]

Just wait for X3D

[prime jasper]

obviously you need onboard memory in your device for it to work

[molten flame]

X3D to remove IOD memory bottleneck

[pale quartz]

yeah in narnia basically

x3d is an improvement, not for iod

[prime jasper]

but this is nice little software for settings

[pale quartz]

cache with memory performance scales less as I've said before anyways

[prime jasper]

kinda was hoping for this when i mained superlight

but im thinking to get the superlight 2 from sale

[coarse nimbus]

Tldr just ignore all Ryzen CPUs that aren't x3d?

[molten flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556205794241151021/1273270689134022779/image.png?ex=66be013c&is=66bcafbc&hm=d835b1ade806f9221584d62f156189bb23e6b505f9936ddbafe3e39d67da1062&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1214&height=671

[coarse nimbus]

whaat

[pale quartz]

idk why everyone is surprised I had told people it would probably lose to zen 4 x3d parts

[molten flame]

was hoping to see 7600X3D come out around $250-280 but it would make Zen 5 irrelevant in gaming value

7800X3D already does tho

[pale quartz]

short term memory this exact same thing happened with base zen 3 there is nothing unsurprising

[molten flame]

7700X and 7950X often lose to 5800X3D

[prime jasper]

but my effiency!!

should i tell that was a lie basically too

or will that make people upset

[gentle void]

40 fps doesn't matter if your monitor can only do 144hz between the 7800x3d and the 5800x3d.

[molten flame]

noticable difference if you have 4090

maybe even 4080 Super or 7900XTX

[obsidian sedge]

that's true but you have to admit that sometimes you get curious

[tawny mauve]

https://www.theverge.com/24218621/it-tech-support-remote-control-how-to

[pale quartz]

also those suggestions are shit lol

parsec is the best

[prime jasper]

I have 4080 super tomorrow or Friday if the delivery doesn't get delayed

[molten flame]

my 4070 arrives today

[prime jasper]

Nice

I will have to replace basically everything in my case as it's basically whole new pc but without a case

Take the old crap out

My pc case is still good

gonna be professional and ground myself when working on the parts

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/steamos-support-is-coming-to-asus-rog-ally

[faint umbra]

It’s a great 1440p card

Ik cause I have one

You’ll enjoy it

[prime jasper]

seconded. ❤️ my 4070

[faint umbra]

I have the ASUS dual 4070

Runs everything I throw at it :)

Paired with a 7700x and 32gigs of ram

[prime jasper]

I have an ASUS TUF 4070 Ti OC

[faint umbra]

Nice

[prime jasper]

I wanted it because it was white and didn't have rgb. instead it gave me a logo I can't turn off 😐

(I did get it turned off eventually)

[faint umbra]

Is the 4070ti 10-15% faster than the 4070?

I forgot the number

[prime jasper]

I have no frame of reference. I upgraded from a fucking GTX 1660 lol

it was like I entered another dimension

[faint umbra]

Dude fr

It’s nice being able to use ray tracing in single player games like Star Wars Jedi fallen survivor

And other games

DLSS is nice as well

[prime jasper]

It even plays 4k nice enough of my tv well enough that I can play action-adventure games. Nothing too twitchy, but it's cool to just sit on the couch and play like you said, fallen survivor

so i've got a 1440 34 inch ultrawide, a 1080 secondary monitor, then an HDMI cable running to my living room with a wireless xbox controller in there linked to the computer with bluetooth

[faint umbra]

I just have a single 2560x1440p monitor

One of these days I’ll buy a second monitor

[prime jasper]

you dont' need a wider one. most games I run in 2560x1440 anyway because having to turn your head is not something that you want when playing a game. except microsoft flight simulator/DCS. bigger is better

plane go zooooom

[light wave]

So I can skip 9000 series, ezpz

[brave sundial]

bazzite os team in shambles

but glad they're doing that. Been years and MS still hasn't bothered making a handheld version of menu for windows, lazy af

bazzite already showed that you don't lose much fps with proton. Plus you can always dualboot windows so you can play those games where their anticheat doesn't like linux

[lost cargo]

DLSS is your life changer with RTX cards

[lost cargo]

I’m debating on buying this

https://a.co/d/e1uVl0i

I need my razer keyboard back. Me no like Corsair keyboards

[brave sundial]

where's the fun in prebuilt, make your own

[lost cargo]

Make me one

[brave sundial]

[lost cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-jeffy-yeah-thats-what-i-thought-mister-thats-what-i-thought-thought-so-gif-17235535043498696641

[toxic wigeon]

Cause as far as we were concerned it was just talk.

Now that they've been tested we can finally see for our eyes how they are.

Truth be told i wasn't expecting a whole lot but I'm still let down with how little gains there were.

[coarse nimbus]

im feeling personally attacked right now because i just bought a K55

[storm osprey]

unless you want max performance and get something like the razer huntsman or wooting keyboard, i would build your own

youre essentially paying a premium for branding and lighting

[toxic wigeon]

I'm gonna get a wooting keyboard and become even better in terraria.

[lost cargo]

I just don’t like corsair products unless it’s PC parts like ram.

I love razer for mouse, headset and keyboards. I been wanting to ditch this Corsair keyboard for a hot min now.

[coarse nimbus]

gawd damn razer has their claws in you deep boi

[storm osprey]

i generally avoid corsair other than their psus, which they dont even manufactur, its like their only product thats fairly priced and good

their cases can be good on sale though

[brave sundial]

half the fun is building it too

All those cool keycaps and switches, you can make a keyboard setup that's truly unique

[storm osprey]

its fun but overwhelming at the same time

so many options, so much to consider

[brave sundial]

Just buy more boards and cases so you can make a few setups you like

And before you know it, you're knee deep

So you try to cope by buying a set of shelves to display your other keebs and call them a setpiece for the room, and hide the mountains of bags of extra switches and keycaps alongside all the pullers you got included in some of the boards you got

(thankfully I'm not at that stage yet)

[storm osprey]

nah, i cant ever get into anything that deep

(even though i already have like 3 custom keebs and a few stock lying around)

[brave sundial]

[storm osprey]

thankfully i like silent switches and the market for those are way smaller than non silent switches

[turbid verge]

I got silent switches

gateron pro 3.0 yellow

[storm osprey]

nice, iirc those dont come pre lubed and im lazy so went with pre lubed switches

im using sea salt silents

[turbid verge]

they dont

and they're silent

I mean linear switches dont do much noise

[storm osprey]

lubing on silents mostly just makes it smoother

[turbid verge]

meh

fine for me

lubbing feels not different for me

tried it and its not much difference in general

[storm osprey]

yea thats why i didnt want to lube anything myself, its a marginal difference

[turbid verge]

I rather pick what weight I want

so I dont get those double clicks

thats why I went for the yellow 3.0

they're smooth on the in and outs and perfect for me

[storm osprey]

gat yellows used to be stupid smooth

[turbid verge]

they still are imo

perfect weight balance for me

[storm osprey]

55g?

[turbid verge]

50

55g is browns or my previous keyboard had mx browns

but those were tactile

[storm osprey]

i have brown silents.. they suck ass compared to sea salt silent

[turbid verge]

thats why I tested it

people at my office got custom keyboards for work

my team leader has a 37g linear switches and he likes it

not bad but trying it I would double click it to much

some people got pandas some got g kings

they're alright but not for me lol

[storm osprey]

i think mine are 35g to start and 65 to bottom, i touch type and got small fingers to it works for me

[molten coral]

I got some linear switches

silent alpaca

mainly just because they are close to being silent

[toxic wigeon]

I'm waiting for the wooting 80%.

[molten coral]

wooting?

[toxic wigeon]

https://wooting.io/ @molten coral

[brave sundial]

the stock sound is actually pretty good

[brave sundial]

that '80HE''s layout sure is odd though

[molten flame]

the last time I ever use amazon in my life

trash website

2nd package lost in a month

[coarse nimbus]

dafuq you ordering there

[molten flame]

RTX 4070

[coarse nimbus]

did it have the option to package it in the amazon box?

hopefully people arent still stealing tech shit

[molten flame]

last package they lost was guitar strings and a case

[coarse nimbus]

are your amazon employees in that area just built different? aka really shit at their job

[molten flame]

funny enough last year, they lost a $600 acoustic guitar but I got refund after a month

now they lost a $600 graphics card

suspicious as hell

[coarse nimbus]

seems like the branch is just super sus lol

[lost cargo]

Seems like who ever buyer you are buying it from on Amazon is scamming you

Not Amazon itself

[molten flame]

4070 comes straight from ASUS store

[coarse nimbus]

can you file a complaint lol

[lost cargo]

Fr. Get cha monies back

[molten flame]

I've had better experience with aliexpress than amazon

[coarse nimbus]

do they say where the package went missing?

like the shipping history stops at the same spot or are they different

[lost cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-real-question-katherine-so-starriebun-that-is-the-true-question-it-is-the-genuine-question-gif-26303236

[molten flame]

it shipped with UPS

everything else that went missing also shipped with UPS

[prime jasper]

I mean, if it says missing, that would lead me to believe they would replace it, despite the inconvenience. I'd be more worried if it said delivered.

but gd you're gonna love that card man chef kiss

[molten flame]

people can't steal deliveries from my house because my yard is big (2 acres) also house is over 100 meters from the street and my driveway is like climbing a mountain

some cars will bottom out in my driveway lol

[prime jasper]

That's only awesome if you live somewhere that does not experience winter lol

[molten flame]

4 wheel drive truck or a jeep recommended

if you have a normal car like a sedan, muscle or sports car, you can't enter my driveway unless you want a destroyed oil pan or fuel tank

gotta be lifted decently high

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-on-a-jet-plane-gif-23617743

sounds like west virginia

[molten flame]

east texas

[coarse nimbus]

what you cant get a grader to smooth out that driveway?

[molten flame]

we leveled the driveway with a bulldozer blade once, after just 1 rain it all washed out and looked worse than before lol

[coarse nimbus]

smh loose dirt no compaction, no wonder

[molten flame]

it was compacted but there is way too much water and erosion

[coarse nimbus]

theres a dirt road near me... actually became the rear entrance to where my grandparents lived, ironically 1/2 mile back into the woods from where they used to live for like 40 years..

but the idiots in the town would just use a grader every year or two to smooth it out instead of making it a more permanent fix

[molten flame]

even pavement gets washed away here lol

[coarse nimbus]

right on a steepish hill with a curve in the road, and they would put tiny ass rocks where it would wash out from flooding..instead of large rock rip rap

texas isnt supposed to get rain youre doing it wrong

[molten flame]

only way pavement could work is if I had it going deep into the ground so running water can't get under it to carry it away

[prime jasper]

Honestly im glad Amazon doesn't offer any online shopping services here

[small zinc]

9950x absolutely spanks everything. Pretty impressed

Gaming a little lackluster, but waiting on the inevitable X3D

[prime jasper]

False news

[lost cargo]

Guys. Guess what

[molten flame]

Zen 5 cores designed for data center

gaming performance is impacted by FLCK bottleneck due to reusing same I/O chiplet

Zen 4 and 5 have good memory controller but FLCK is holding it back iirc

[prime jasper]

I mean if you wanna waste 200w and your left kidney for it sure go for it

[coarse nimbus]

so who has bought one of those $30 windows keys before?

[molten flame]

I got one for $5 on ebay

code was definitely from an OEM PC

[coarse nimbus]

i went into the registry edit on my old pc copied down the key code because for the life of me i cant find where i wrote it down or the OG disk i had

my brother got it from collage ~2007 era lol.. win7, upgraded to 10, and for like a year ive been getting the pop ups to upgrade to 11... but when i built this new one and went with the win 11 installer, that key code didnt work to activate it

but then i discover its like a generic key for win 10 pro now lol

[small zinc]

I mean. Multhreaded performance it’s not even remotely close.

[prime jasper]

it's locked to that computer. I'm assuming it's a prefab. the OEM license for Windows 7-10 was only for THAT computer.

or even if it isn't a laptop, if it was a dell/compaq

[molten flame]

https://x.com/RyanSmithAT/status/1823708259490128197

Ryan Smith (@RyanSmithAT) on X

I'm working on a bit of a mystery this morning, following the launch of the Ryzen 9 9950X. The core-to-core latencies are nearly 2.5x (100ns) higher than they were on 7950X. These are very high latencies for on-chip comms. And it's not obvious why it's any higher than 7950X.

Twitter · Aug 14, 2024, 1:08 PM

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/222060964319723521/1273536092897022013/image.png?ex=66bef869&is=66bda6e9&hm=f1669b14ef2a7bf2d04a4d8abee8ed7c7c985df852c5fd827647fa6ef7653052&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

they degraded CCD communication, it's basically like Zen 2 latency lol

they mostly fixed the CCD issues with Zen 3 but now it's broke again

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus

[pale quartz]

no this is core to core latency

it is not cross traversal between ccds

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-7-265kf-and-core-ultra-5-245k-next-gen-cpus-leaked-alongside-z890-motherboards

8+12 core

no hyperthreading for either cores and future generations as well

[pallid grotto]

What should I get for 1440p.?

• RTX 4060ti 16Gb
• RTX 3080 10Gb
• RTX 3070ti 8Gb

Can't really find final answer, so I'll give it a try here as well..

[lost cargo]

Get a 4080

Or 4070

[pallid grotto]

That's out of my budget right now... I'm moving to new place so I need to invest into that as well.. 🥹

[lost cargo]

Also my 3080 does well on 1440p. It does suck at maxed out settings. But great overall.

Idk how it is compared to 4060 tho. I think 3080 is better. Just doesn’t get frame gen

[pallid grotto]

I don't need to have games on Ultra/Extreme graphics 👀

I only want to be able to run games on high on decent Fps

[lost cargo]

4060ti beats it due to frame gen

Frame gen is great to have but as a base performance without extras is 3080. Mmm 🤔

This might be a @pale quartz conversation

[pallid grotto]

Deco always knows

[lost cargo]

Deco can you help the man with the windows

[candid flame]

rx7800xt

[pale quartz]

absolutely nothing else except the 4060ti, the rest will die due to vram usage

3070ti/3080 arent enough for 1440p anymore unless you want to compromise on stuff, so just get the 4060ti instead, youre ditching a lot of stuff to be able to have (not it)

[lost cargo]

I have a 3080. I always get 100+ fps (varies depending on how optimized the game is)

Some I get 150+ as other be 200 fps. All the way down to 130ish

[pale quartz]

switch on RT and that goes down to the 40's there abouts, ampere doesnt support frame generation or av1, its a half cut card even if the 4060ti is worse at base raster

a 4070/80 is preferential but its not in his budget so the 4060ti out the options

[lost cargo]

RT. Yea you got me there. Frame gen takes the dub

[pale quartz]

unless its a 3090ti its very, very hard to justify buying ampere nowadays over anything else, if it was turing/pascal times it would be a easier decision, but the architectures are v different

[lost cargo]

Very true indeed

[tawny mauve]

what's the difference between hdmi 2.1a and 2.1b

[lost cargo]

https://www.hdmi.org/spec/hdmi2_1

2.1b supports up to 10k res

I never heard of this “2.1B” before till now

[tawny mauve]

some sources say they're the same and other say not

so much for searching

[lost cargo]

Prob a better version idk 🤷‍♂️

[tawny mauve]

I'd always get the latest one just to be safe

[pale quartz]

doesn't make a difference if your card/graphics adapter can't support it

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1INvx9ca9M

tldr

[molten flame]

[tawny mauve]

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-kills-unfixable-kb5034440kb5034441-updates-replaces-with-kb5042321kb5042320/

[light wave]

I’m curious how much I gain from this lol

[prime jasper]

i've known this forever. the actual admin account has always been faster in windows

windows is just weird in this

when you create admin account you arent the actual admin

you only have admin rights

i would suspect other hardware gets also better results in it.

[storm osprey]

pretty sure HWU mentions this could be the result for other hardware, they just havent had time to test it yet

[prime jasper]

Im sure they will test about 150 different cpus

[tawny mauve]

do all the three have differences though? 2.1 a and b

[pale quartz]

yes

[prime jasper]

also i suspect the reason for the better results on that account is because it disables security features

so it dont really matter

sure microsoft can improve the performance on the main accounts but i don't see it have the same effect as disabling everything

you are basically running windows equivalent of root in linux

same time i do hope there is a bug in windows so microsoft finally fixes something

[willow schooner]

HUB the only channel who will go to this much effort to make AMD hardware look better than it is.

If this were Intel, they'd call it trash and never look back

[midnight crypt]

[small zinc]

Ummm. Yes it is which is why the 7800 X3D outperforms the 7950

[tepid plover]

hello guys, I got a problem when playing bf5 im playing and 20 second after my mic is cutting in discord like my mic is not on and when I join again the vc it work and it does that every time someone got a solution ?

[midnight crypt]

Uninstall the game

[tepid plover]

wym 😂

[midnight crypt]

Its the easiest solution

[terse glade]

The low 1% fps look so much better on the 3080 tho so for me 3080 is the clear winner

[lost cargo]

Clear winner for sure. Till you add frame gen in the mix

[terse glade]

Sadly frame generation doesn't do anything to low 1%fps

[lost cargo]

Tru tru

But does help RT out a lot tho

For the full potential

[honest holly]

Hey, anyone else having issues getting into battlefield v? Whenever I laugh it through steam it just crashes

[prime jasper]

I'm getting fucking random disconnects on a bunch of services. And I can't ascertain a pattern at all. Steam was crashing constantly for me earlier, wouldn't stay logged in. Same thing with Xbox

I'm thinking it's my ISP because my series x is having the same problem. hbo max is fine, disney plus is a no go.

[pastel field]

https://www.melgeek.com/pages/made68-pro-hall-effect-rapid-trigger-keyboard

[willow schooner]

lol this thing looks like a wrists worst nightmare

[brave sundial]

wake me up when we get an actual tkl HE keyboard and not whatever wooting and other brands make because it's 'too oversaturated!!'

[storm osprey]

i think tkl and the kind of keyboard the HE is just doesnt make sense

granted they did make a fullsize keyboard which is even more baffling

[brave sundial]

yeah that really confuses me

[storm osprey]

nothing screams "hardcore performance driven fps gamer" like a full size keyboard...

[brave sundial]

they made a fullsize and then refuse to make a tkl and instead make some weird hybrid mashup that pleases neither crowds

[storm osprey]

ah didnt know about the mash up

oh the 80he?

[brave sundial]

yeah

https://wooting-website.ams3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/612ca8920bc3a648125ffac3/65eb37ee2afc8185d4d59c60_W80HERGB.png

"look a cool led bar guys!!!"

[storm osprey]

ehhhhh ehhhhhhhhhhh i dont hate it but why go away from their first wooting design ideas and letting you case swap easily

[brave sundial]

they said they did this because "tkl is done to death" and the market is "too saturated" apparantly..

yeah I wonder why it's "saturated", maybe because its a popular layout many people like...

[storm osprey]

ahh i get that reference now...

[brave sundial]

oh, sorry for not giving more context initially, my bad.

[storm osprey]

idk im at odds, trying something new isnt bad, its not egregious either, but at the same time why?

[brave sundial]

I guess so you have no choice but their case and plates

[gentle void]

So, I'm completely out of ideas on how to make this game work.

Sim value stays at 20, unless I'm in the main lobby and still can't get it to work.

[storm osprey]

do they even sell alternative cases or plates though? if they do then yeaaa thats probably why

[gentle void]

Nothing on the forums help, nothing in the communities help, I'm completely out of ideas.

[storm osprey]

they do have alternative cases

[gentle void]

Is there like... an official support I can contact other than the forums because no one is answering my forum post despite being thoroughly details.

[storm osprey]

at least outside of the weird form factor it does seem like they made it right though

actually kind of jealous of it now that im looking further into it

costs the same as my custom keyboard, doesnt sound AS nice but its close, with wooting performance

[gentle void]

Does anyone know anything about the input lag issues and know how to fix them?

I have spent a literal freaking week troubleshooting this to no avail.

[molten flame]

AMD decided to go away from the RingBus interconnect (per CCD) in Zen 3 and Zen 4 to a Mesh topology (per CCD) on Zen 5, which seems to have introduced significantly higher core-to-core latency and might be the real reason why the gaming performance isn't scaling that well despite the ~16% increased IPC.

[terse glade]

That sucks then but why they did that

[visual quail]

Finally got my custom pc from nzxt. The only issue is that before I could get the money to buy it, one of the liquid cpu coolers went out of stock. Me being on a budget I had to select the T120 but I don’t know if that’s gonna work well with a i5-13600kf. I found a Corsair H100x cpu cooler on Amazon for $99.99 and just wanna ask if it’s a better cooler for my cpu. There’s also a cheaper single fan version for $79.99

[honest holly]

Hmm that is weird, but it’s literally only BFV for me, all my other steam games are working fine

[prime jasper]

Oh, I figured it out alright. I have god awful 5G internet. my signal was -85dB. I moved it and now it's -69dB. Which thanks to the wonderful world of mathematics, I improved the signal (39.81x apparently)

What's really messed up is before I moved it BEFORE this it was in the -90 - 100dB range, which I don't even know how I was able to you know, do ANYTHING before.

[pale quartz]

5g is a very uncongested channel relative to 3g/4g so even large snr margins can "work"

[prime jasper]

I'm talking purely about signal strength.

congestion has nothing to do with this

There was physically 5 buildings between me and the tower

I raised the router above the buildings.

you raise the data rate (LTE->5G), you increase the frequency. You decrease the signal's ability to penetrate solid objects like buildings. Physics is a bitch.

[pale quartz]

not exactly, yes 5G is a channel with lesser tolerance on the spectrum but the way receivers work with 5G is not the same as 4G/3G, impedance is lessened in a local area as multiple towers communicate with each other, it's not as simple as you're thinking

the same applies to 6G aswell

[prime jasper]

Dude. I don't know what you're trying to convince me of. My connection to the tower was intermittent because the signal was weak. I repositioned the router and it improved.

[pale quartz]

I never said, it wasn't weak

[prime jasper]

What the fuck are you trying to convince me of

[pale quartz]

first calm down, I'm explaining to you that 4G/3G are constantly blasted by multiple receivers at a rate which is significantly higher than 5G, so even if the decibel range is severely weak because there's next to nothing communicating with the link (causing traffic collisions) even severely bad signal strengths can still be received

towers are isolated for how they receive 5G relative to 3G/4G, they work differently and it's not the case that the spectrums length is the only factor

[prime jasper]

There are very few towers in my area. I looked at a map of the towers in the area and the cells that the towers broadcast too, including their signal strength. By using star3001#12345#* on my phone, I walked around my house looking for the strongest signal reception point based off my new knowledge.

I don't care what you're trying to convince me of

I looked at the dB strength of my signal

[pale quartz]

alright well, calm down a bit, it's not that serious

[prime jasper]

You keep saying "calm down" and trying to refute this point I didn't make. But yeah. Time to drop it. I'm going to go enjoy the fact my internet doesn't suck now.

I apologize for the language. I should probably preface that I do not curse when I am angry. It's this unfortunate result of being raised by 80s movies as a kid instead of my parents.

I have this misconception that everyone talks like gangsters and space pirates

[gentle void]

At least you all can play Battlefield 2042, this game is so badly optimized that people are still having problems from updates 2-3 years ago that make this game unplayable today for quite a few people.

[prime jasper]

dunno man. I was playing it on an i5-4670k and a 1660 Ti. I don't even think I met the minimum requirements and it worked

[gentle void]

OMMMFOAGUJOAUSDFOIASJDFIASJDF I FIXED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-2922587064166244739

i DON'T care if I get in trouble I fixed it after a week and pulling my brain cells out

[midnight crypt]

No idea what you fixed

But grats

[gentle void]

It's the stupidest thing ever.

It wasn't a controller plugged in... it was a fighting game fight stick that was causing the issue.

Something that should be completely undetectable by this freaking game.

[midnight crypt]

I mean its still a controller

[gentle void]

I'm updating the EA forums

[prime jasper]

you didn't think the flight stick was a controller? what

just take the L dude

if I leave my HOTAS plugged in, my camera points to the sky and I spin around in circles in BF2042. If it's a USB device and it controls an input on your computer, it's a controller. Doesn't need to be an xbox dingy.

[toxic wigeon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nbn/comments/hwz7l4/abb_cancels_service_with_person_who_used_34tb_in/

Fun meme.

[lost cargo]

[prime jasper]

"the mad lass set up a script to download the same 5000mb test file over and over again."

so she was just a dick. lol

[molten flame]

Time to play old school RuneScape and Minecraft

[lost cargo]

Minecraft stress test

Minecraft still breaks 4090s

[coarse nimbus]

Did Amazon unfuck itself?

[molten flame]

Yes

[coarse nimbus]

Now you're 1000 better than me

[terse glade]

Congrats 👏

[umbral crater]

60 fps on Project Zomboid

[storm osprey]

does that game really perform that bad?

[umbral crater]

If you have a lot of different mods

And a lot of Zomboids

[ripe lynx]

no lol

not until you generate max chunks which makes no sense

but imo i remember my pc being so bad, i had one shitty pc for a long time, been crap since i had it and some years later the minecraft update dropped and i just couldnt run it

[ripe lynx]

gzzzz

[lost cargo]

Minecraft still breaks GPUs. You aren’t putting the gpu at its full potential then

[ripe lynx]

if it doesnt run 144fps im lowering my settings till it does well

on a 4060 i run darktide on lowest settings that impack the game

[brave sundial]

Get Nvidium

[ripe lynx]

ye just 4x sli 4090

lmao imagine

how much water cooling would that need

or nitrogen

[prime jasper]

fuck that. move to the arctic circle, save on heating.

open air cool that bitch

[ripe lynx]

ye just put it outside lol

-35 degrees hahaha

open the crate and u good

the thing will freeze but thats fine hahaha

[opaque saddle]

putting it in the driest part of Antarctica may work coz the frost would be building up in the coastal regions.

[ripe lynx]

it will still freeze

antarctica can get to like -90 in winter

average its 57c throughout the yeat

year*

coast is warmer a

keyboard not braining

[prime jasper]

eh. it would run, but your problem wouldn't be the temperature. your problem would be condensation forming where it isn't quite hot enough to evaporate condensation and not quite cold enough freeze condensation

and then liquid water would destroy you

but dang, Antarctica has like zero humidity...i guess you'd be OK unless it happened to snow?

[coarse nimbus]

btw does this one come with one of those "gpu brackets" in the box...aka the adjustable stand?

[lost cargo]

next level Nvidia

[brave sundial]

No it's a mod that drastically increases your fps if you have an Nvidia card

https://youtu.be/LX3uKHp1Y94

[lost cargo]

Only for Minecraft or what?

[brave sundial]

Yeah, Minecraft

Should've specified, my bad

[lost cargo]

That’s dope. I’ll check it out sometime

[brave sundial]

combine that with distant horizons and you can make your world look like this:

https://youtu.be/M31DhtoNh9w?si=JmZy4egUTz31RI9l

It mimics chunks very far away without severely degrading performance

[lost cargo]

Is that the newest version? Of DH

Always wanted to check it out tbh

[brave sundial]

yeah 2.0 is newest major upgrade

https://modrinth.com/mod/distanthorizons/version/latest

[small zinc]

Thank God SLI isn't a thing anymore.....

I mean it is for neckbeards that love to see their synthetic benchmarks who have a ridiculous expendable income.

[ripe lynx]

how come it isnt

people still use it

[small zinc]

But for those that live in the real world with real world performance and the negative scaling SLI provides these days, it's completely useless in applications such as gaming.

[small zinc]

Sure, for Firestrike scores.

That's it.

[ripe lynx]

yea i know noothing about it

but ive heard of people using it on older setups

[small zinc]

Oh it used to be much more of a thing back in the days of the 8800 GTX. 2007. Crysis.

lol

Back when GPU's were still $800 bucks and still couldn't run certain games.

[ripe lynx]

ah yea crysis

the game which had such a terrible optimalisation

ive had one of those old graphics cards in 2012

[coarse nimbus]

think someone i played WoT with had sli 780s

while i had a ... 670

[ripe lynx]

actually had that gpu since i was like 15 then i got a laptop which was the same power

now im 25

my cpu couldnt run anything for years

[small zinc]

I actually owned the Radeon/AMD R-295x2. And while it was a beast of a GPU in the day, similar to the old Nvidia 9800 GX2 which came before it, those days of dual GPU's on one PCB were actually pretty garbage. You had no real control of the second GPU, even with tuning applications. So having actual two or more phsyical GPU's in X-fire/SLI were way better taking advantage of the bus speeds. Back when PCI express lanes actually meant something.

[ripe lynx]

i love how good your memory is

i barely remember what my gpu

was i think 7800

8000smth it was half my age ago

[small zinc]

Heh, I'm just old. So I went through a lot of "dark days" of GPU's.

[ripe lynx]

i remember my pc wouldnt run worms revolution

cause graphics card just didnt even pick up textures it was all black but i heard the game going and seeing like smth react

[small zinc]

Oh man, yeah the Radeon 7800? That thing was pretty beastly. Especially the "MHz" editions which were the first to be factory overclocked past 1 Ghz

That handily outperformed the 680 and 780

[ripe lynx]

i told the guys at the school they were shitting themselves

[small zinc]

which the 780 was a rebranded 680

same GPU

[ripe lynx]

was rocking that gpu until the 1000gtx came out

so for about ten years

well i had a integrated one afterwards for years but it was the same spec

[small zinc]

In my honest opinion the Radeon 7800 and the Nvidia 1080 Ti have been the best GPU's I've ever owned. Everything since then has been mediocre upgrades including my now 4090 for the money I have spent

[ripe lynx]

ye 1080ti was proly the best in history

biggest jump

and it stil performs like a 3060

[small zinc]

It truly was. I whole heartedly regret ever buying the 2080 Ti

[ripe lynx]

4060-

[small zinc]

It was such a trash upgrade from the 1080 ti

[ripe lynx]

i mean you shouldnt ever spend so much money on a upgrade such as this

you wont need a 5090

if you have a 4090 wait till you cant run smth extreme on 4k 144fps

😄

i wish i had that money

[small zinc]

No you're right. I was so mad at my 2080 Ti purchase that I skipped 30 series altogether. Stack that with COVID shortages on silicon (even though there weren't any actual shortages), and I went straight to a 4090

[ripe lynx]

have you bougt your 1080ti on the bitcoin jump?

i bought my 1060 two weeks before price reduces and it was twice as cheap

i was so mad

i remember 1080ti was like 3k or smth

some crazy price

you can buy a decent used car for that

[small zinc]

No I had a regular 1080, sold it and only paid I think maybe $200-$300 more for my Ti

[small zinc]

Hmmm, I don't think I ever recall them being that expensive. I think I got mine for MSRP which was right about $1,000 or something. Maybe slightly cheaper.

But the 1080 Ti was the absolute best bang for the buck in Nvidia history in my opinion.

Too bad we'll never get prcing like that again.

[prime jasper]

I'm sure you can trade a 1080Ti for maybe a bag of rice in a couple years. hold tight

fuck, i forget where i am

[wide fractal]

it'd be nice if we could get some FSR support

allthough i heard that DLSS doesn't do much and i think i tested that wheni had a 4070 ti super. BF is always using CPU from AVXII

[ripe lynx]

have you caught that the bitcoin was at its peak that time? the whole bitcoin thing literally jumped at the moment those came out, or like some time after but bitcoin was dogpoop before it, it literally blown out at the moment and everyone was buying gpus and started mining businesses

it was some time that it became an absolute banger of a price tag on it

my 1060 cost 400€ i think

ah ait i have overestimated it as i rembmer it different, im not sure which it was but i remember one card which i think was 2080ti which cost like 3k, i am really not sure i remember an insane price tag, however on the internet it says it cost 1700€ for a 1080ti

its bullshit cause every site says different things i remember it different

which dropped to 800€ after the crypto outbreak

that means twice less

[pale quartz]

the game is never getting fsr support, you are partially correct about dlss, the main advantage is dlaa

[quick locust]

Dice skill issue

Hope they add XeSS and FSR in the next one at least

[terse glade]

I play forza horizon 5 with dlaa enabled it's freaking beautiful. One of the best optimized games out there as well, I think I never could play other games with dlaa enabled with my 2080super

But once I saw dlaa I just never could go back to dlss

[opaque saddle]

yeah that is what i was referring.

I play it on my Legion Go handheld at 800p. It looks really really good with integer scaling, despite it is running at 1/4 of the native res

[pale quartz]

dlaa is dlss

[willow schooner]

Yes, DLAA does what DLSS does, but when rendering from native res, right?

[pale quartz]

native resolution no, you cannot use DLAA without DLSS, it is the native resolution that DLSS renders, if you could they wouldn't be coupled in the first place

[willow schooner]

I mean what it renders from. DLSS upscale from a lower than native resolution, like 50, 65 or 80%

[pale quartz]

yes for that, internal specifically, ultimately the training models are the same across both so they're distinct only in idea, even at that you're being generous

they could tomorrow strip DLAA entirely and just bundle it into DLSS itself

[pastel field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFY7c40a4iQ

this speaker is cray

[terse glade]

oh, but in the opposite way then. like not decompress the image but enhance it

[willow schooner]

DLSS also enhances. It's taking a lower resolution image and upscaling it, often with better than native results.

[pale quartz]

^

[quick locust]

In wukong i cant stay at 60 fps stable with RT off and FG enabled

With a slight gpu oc

[light wave]

Yeah, the game runs like ass

[quick locust]

Yeah oof

Also just caused my entire desktop to hang

[pale quartz]

difficult game to run, runs especially bad on older/radeon cards

[quick locust]

With frame gen on and RT off I can hit 59 fps in the benchmark with the settings it auto-recommended

Would send screenshot if I could

[quick locust]

Time for mGPU /s

[pale quartz]

max rt + cinematic with fg

[quick locust]

Ok its snipping tool thats crashing Windows for me not the game

Nice to know

[wide fractal]

Yeah i figured all that.

[wide fractal]

Oh hey vinur

[quick locust]

Youre in many places

[wide fractal]

hevði framferð frá Servarinum AMD

tey lurta ikki

but yeah i am all over

Anyone who knows about tech and play BF2042 knows more than anyone from that silly discord. This game beats the living hell out of processors and BF games have for years so i think i will source my information from gamers who actually game and don just run Cinebench to toot their own horns.

It bothers me how many people just hate on BF cuz they think it is a bad game, Yes 2042 is a poor representation of BF games but it is still a fun game with great new slightly futuristic gameplay mechanics. People cry cuz the AVX II in BF games destroys their performance and they blue screen from their new overclock coupled with the fact it's also very GPU heavy. Then they also cry cuz they join a 128 player map and just suck

[quick locust]

It sure doesnt like my good ol 8700K as Deco knows

[wide fractal]

Yeah well BFV was the last title that could run on Coffee lake well

2042 also hated my highly optimized 9900KF

[pale quartz]

that thing is going to end up in a museum

[quick locust]

Might get ARL though

[wide fractal]

8700k is still the best intel CPU ever made. I mean itś outdated now due to being lower IPC and only 6 cores but damn the IMC in that thing is the best.

8086k 4500 cl 17 at 5.2 ghz core 4.9 on the ring was sooooo juicy good

[pale quartz]

it wasnt particularly great with the imc

was only officially rated for 3800

[wide fractal]

Well if you had an 8086k thatś a different story, but yeah not all 8700ks are created equally

8th gen just had a bit better latency than 9th and at that time the extra 2 cores didn help much for games like BFV. i could get better GPU usage out of 8th gen than 9th but what you say about being museum tech is becoming a reality, Itś way outdated now.

[quick locust]

Yea

[pale quartz]

just right move wrong time

games then werent particularly multithreaded like today, but long time ago now

with hyperthreading going away anyways its not a huge deal

[wide fractal]

yeah it was more about latency, and the 6 core dies gave you the oppurtunity to push memory and get below 33ns even. Great for high fps in BFV. But now it just struggles

[pale quartz]

fsr moment

[wide fractal]

now we need bandwidth latency is out the window, DDR5 just pushes the framerate to hold tight from the vcache

[quick locust]

need everything to hit 60 lol

[pale quartz]

yeah cant be saved with fsr fg at less than 60

dlss you can, but its small

[quick locust]

time to try RT

[wide fractal]

bert trýss... eg vil drepa sjálvur ið sum eg kann bert fáa trýss ; )

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-computer-fire-gif-21352118

[pale quartz]

going to run native just to see how much it crushes performance

[quick locust]

might try native as well

just not with rt

Ok RT medium otherwise same as before

Time to burn gpu

[wide fractal]

did you guys get the mod for CP2077 that allows you to use FG on AMD?

[pale quartz]

meh barely a mod

just an injector for fsr

[quick locust]

Hmm around 34-35 fps

So halving my fps with RT medium lol

[wide fractal]

yeah ibut it's incredibly useful, I mean the game already uses FSR, i think this Injects FSR 3.1 which allows you to use the framegen

[quick locust]

I need an ARL + BMG upgrade

[wide fractal]

I should just buy a damn 4090

so i can play world of warcraft in windows

[quick locust]

I did expect RT medium to barely run though

[wide fractal]

and get DLSS in BF2042 and better FPS

anyone here got a 4090? How many frames you get in 2042 in 4k?

4k is not going to work for me as i get less than 150 cuz AMD... 7900XTX here.

[quick locust]

Alright now native res, no FG, no RT

[pale quartz]

it's not actual frame gen

[wide fractal]

So i run 180 hz monitor for 1440p and everything is on high

[pale quartz]

fsr 3.1 FG requires manual hook implementations by the developer, it's essentially a fake version

[wide fractal]

yeah but it's still beating the shit out of AFMF and AFMF 2

AMD frame gen sucks

[pale quartz]

afmf is shit so lol that's not hard to do

[wide fractal]

yeah it is. I left the AMD discord cuz all they do is say how AFMF is better than Nvidia's frame gen

i have tested it 8 times

[quick locust]

I cant run without an upscaler?

[pale quartz]

not with the benchmark tool

[quick locust]

Oh well

[wide fractal]

It is signifigantly worse. and adds latency to the point you should ask yourself why the fuck would you use framegen if your response plummits

yes it gets the job done if you wanna increase quality, but why would you wanna incrase quality and lose frames by getting fake frames, at that point, just downscale

[pale quartz]

afmf is just amd trying to copy Nvidia pretty much the only problem is they can't do it in a way that matters because NV architectures are just strictly better

I have discussed the OFA in here a few times before

[wide fractal]

yup

really coudln't argue that AMD is better than nvida

[pale quartz]

dlaa/fg off

[wide fractal]

superior AI

[quick locust]

No RT, XeSS, Super Resolution set to 75 (default)

Time to run

[pale quartz]

i pushed sr to 100 to enact dlaa, think the minimum is 93

[wide fractal]

I need to get that game

looks dope

[pale quartz]

90* rerunning now

[quick locust]

Mid 30s with this

[molten flame]

Jensen already explained that we're at the end of moore's law when RTX 4000 was first announced, and we're currently seeing that happen with x86 CPUs

Zen 5 and Arrow-lake are just single-digit gains

[pale quartz]

we're not at the end of Moore's law lol

[wide fractal]

Jensen and his filthy tricks

[pale quartz]

harder to do yes it's not over

[wide fractal]

Right now iḿ just relyin gon Intel to sucessfuly produce 18 angstrom CPUs

that will drastically help cultivate mobile CPU power

[molten flame]

not gonna see 2x transistor density gains anymore

[wide fractal]

if intel does something right, it will come later. for now we will see 2x transistor desnity have better power consumption and just exist which is impressive, but down the rode power will incrase and smaller nodes will provice solutions for much more powerful mobile models

[pale quartz]

no they wont

mobiles are not constrained by node shrink and havent been for eons

[quick locust]

With low preset I can hit 60 fps without framegen

[molten flame]

smaller nodes gonna make yields worse which means bigger dies like enthusiast GPUs won't see 3nm or smaller nodes until 2027

[quick locust]

But I still dip below sometimes

[wide fractal]

that wasn my point tho. Not about being constrained, but thatś what we start off node shrink with, mobile. The next node shrink plan is 18a. which is a gigantic shrink. This is easily going to provide future roadmaps for powerfal tech on very small nodes

[molten flame]

Blackwell successor might be 2028 launch

[wide fractal]

thatś what iḿ thinking yeah going to take some years

[pale quartz]

intel IFS wont be used by mobile lol

[quick locust]

Whitewell

[pale quartz]

theres 0 reason for QC or anyone else to use IFS for any mobile part

[wide fractal]

Are you sure you have been reading their plans for 18a?

it is designated for mobile

[pale quartz]

i dont care what intels plans are

[wide fractal]

: \

[pale quartz]

IFS isnt generating money as is

[quick locust]

Plans are surviving rn

[pale quartz]

its hemorraging them money and theres a half decent chance gelsinger is removed as ceo cause of it dont be fooled by gimmick plans stay with where reality is

[wide fractal]

if they suck up their pride and use TSMC like they been talking it will give them back alot of that money

but regardless intel has plenty of money to wipe their ass with

[quick locust]

not really

[pale quartz]

intel dont gain money by using tsmc, theyve already invested $22b in IFS

and it still needs more capital

they have no money as is

[molten flame]

discrete GPUs were a mistake for Intel's revenue and Battlemage won't be able to save them if it can't even beat the 8700XT

[wide fractal]

They would have we better economic yeilds if they stop making their own silicon and use TSMC in the long run

[pale quartz]

discrete is defo being axed lol

gelsinger cutting staff because he did moonshot predictions to save his own skin is unlikely to last very long anyways

[molten flame]

something has to give

[quick locust]

wouldnt be enough to just cut that rn

[wide fractal]

they are deeply embedded in government, business, and military contracts, they are losing stock but they still have tons of reserve.

[pale quartz]

reserves dont mean anything

[wide fractal]

If they are the first ones to get the node that small, however they do it, down the road, i say 5-7 years it will power to cut through that moores law shit. While AMD is still doing what they are doing.

[pale quartz]

they are there for contingency reasons assuming the absolute worst

they cant touch it

[wide fractal]

Yeah but these businesses, and government sects still gonna purchase intel

[quick locust]

Might have to at this pace

😛

[wide fractal]

not much can change that at the moment

[pale quartz]

youre missing the point

lol

[wide fractal]

How? they are going to generate money based on their old recipe

which is a huge portion of business

[pale quartz]

this is intels current balance sheet

[wide fractal]

You really think Military/business/gov all of a suddon just going to by Epyc CPUs?

they tried that

was dogshit

[pale quartz]

see the cash/debt ratio

and the debt ratio is increasing

[quick locust]

looks like America

[pale quartz]

US debt isnt the same as corporate

[quick locust]

[pale quartz]

isnt a problem for them, is for a private company

[wide fractal]

Lol i was thinking the same think tak

[quick locust]

I know, just poking fun

[pale quartz]

and when IFS needs billions more its a huge issue

[wide fractal]

That does look pretty bad

[pale quartz]

[quick locust]

Wonder if IFS as a whole will survive

[pale quartz]

it will survive

they have no other choice

if IFS dies intel dies too

[wide fractal]

well good thing i bought AMD

[quick locust]

still does better than samsung foundry i guess

[pale quartz]

SMG foundry is doing great

[wide fractal]

i admit from even my perspective intel is looking weaker and weaker everyday, and i have changed my views alot

[pale quartz]

they just reported record profits

[quick locust]

still doing better than err

[wide fractal]

Mass production is the root of all failure

[quick locust]

still doing better than Elbrus

there it is

[pale quartz]

IFS's problem is no client has any reason to use them currently and because goflo exists for old nodes and the rest use tsmc or samsung

22 billion and losing money 5 years later isnt a good position to be in

[wide fractal]

Deco what hardware do you currenlty run with?

[wide fractal]

Very nice Noctua . Glad you aren't too proud to not buy noctua

[quick locust]

mans rich

[pale quartz]

idc about them

[wide fractal]

Noctua fans never break and never make noise after time

[pale quartz]

bought noctua ages ago before maglev fans were on sale

[wide fractal]

i will pay the tax

I know how overpriced they are and yes they perform worse than phanteks or others, but man they never fail

[quick locust]

I would guess IFS would at least be cut down quite a lot though

[wide fractal]

I have an NHD15

[pale quartz]

[quick locust]

same

from like 2017 though

[slender nexus]

gah damn!

[pale quartz]

ive got the 7950 capped to 120 because its got exceptional efficiency, easy to cool

[wide fractal]

i just have 7800X3D and a 7900XTX 990 pro 2tb i see you got a sabrent

you know sabrent makes the fastest pci e 5.0 drives i think

[quick locust]

mans also rich

[wide fractal]

expensive as fuck tho

[pale quartz]

yeah but 5.0 is overpriced because halo and no reason to buy it

[slender nexus]

whatd you use to get this info

[wide fractal]

yeah i agree, 5.0 is reather pointless

[pale quartz]

its my steam profile

[wide fractal]

Teamgroup makes a cheap one, but still no point the speed won't reflect much

[pale quartz]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/-Deco/

[slender nexus]

ohh you just listed it down

[wide fractal]

allthough my buddy runs linux and has 2 sabrents in raid and it is pretty fast. but itś like only 1 second faster for loading cp2077 than my 4th gen

[pale quartz]

if thats raid 0 dudes an idiot

[quick locust]

Just RAMdisk everything

[wide fractal]

Why?

[quick locust]

[pale quartz]

raid 0 is dead

has been for years

just a way to corrupt your data now

[quick locust]

Just like my NAS rn

[slender nexus]

QDOLED monitor. is it 4k?

[pale quartz]

once you config 2x nvmes in raid 0 youre limited by actual pcie bandwidth, just get a nvme expansion card, its safer and you arent going to corrupt your windows in 6 months

[pale quartz]

3440, not 4k but close, uw 1440p

[quick locust]

couldnt be me no, although raid 5 not 0

[pale quartz]

raid 5 is fine its 0 thats just asking for trouble

[quick locust]

yeah if you dont have 2 drives with issues at the same time

[pale quartz]

[quick locust]

[pale quartz]

that 8600k is so old its frying the drives

[quick locust]

that's running on an Annapurna cpu

[pale quartz]

i got the fancy samsung ring

[quick locust]

but also frying them apparently

noice

[pale quartz]

it was weird to wear at first tbh but forget its there now

watch 7 is arriving tomorrow

[quick locust]

One of the drives have begun doing like a skipping sound

so that's slightly annoying

[pale quartz]

need a new drive moment

[quick locust]

already have two ready to put in

these were only 2021 drives smh

nov 2021

[pale quartz]

dying 2024 ones now

[wide fractal]

Okay whoops, got muted for saying R e t _ _ d

fill in the blanks. But yeah he kind of has a stupid amount of money and he runs linux

Personally i would never raid, last time i did was in multiboot and yes it corrupted and broke my windows switching between OSs

but given you have a stable system, I don't see why it would just naturally corrupt anything. However i would only ever run raid 10, he of course can not do that, as he is out of chipset lanes. This guy is not an idiot tho, He uses 2 7900XTXs in Linux and has Xfire over MGPU working in quite a few games

allthough i think he does miss some things cuz he' s older, like if he uses all of his m.2 slots it willd owngrade his lower card from 8x to 4x, which works on AMD but he thinks itś not happening

[pale quartz]

raid 0 isnt safe, if you run raid 0 at all you are playing with fire as is, as soon as you venture into that territory you are strictly in unstable territory

[wide fractal]

Yeah for sure, One small bios setting change can break raid,

I will stay with PCI E 4.0 storage then i get more of it

Dude gets engineering samples of AMD CPUs from them

i have 2 m.2 slots to fill, i will just get a 4TB 990

[molten flame]

this 4070 heats up my room and it's not even running a game lol

huge heat output difference going from rx 6600 to rtx 4070

[wide fractal]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Ultra-Thin-Graphene-Spreader-TM8FF1001T0C129/dp/B0CJDXK3MH?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT

you can get that for cheap tho

150 $ for pci e 5.0 1TB

not bad but those speeds are not that good for 5.0

the GE pro is more expensive if you want 14k potentials, then if you want full blast you go sabrent and pay out your ass

[prime jasper]

Laws of thermodynamics

pretty sure rx6600 had very low idle power with single screen setup

[terse glade]

Wtf

[prime jasper]

bruh. how? my (4070 even!)GPU is idling at 36 and it's breathing my CPU exhaust 😐

[terse glade]

Can ypu check how much watts ur 4070 pulls on idle?

This cant be normal

[pale quartz]

wattage draw depends on your monitor

they are not static with each other

[quick locust]

i run around 40W idle on gpu

with 2560x1440 165hz

[terse glade]

If I really do nothing then its 7 Watt bit youtube and discord yea around 40 watts

On 3440x1440 75hz

[quick locust]

in gaming I have higher power draw than a 4070 super though

[prime jasper]

i have a 4070 ti that uses waaaaaayyy less with youtube/discord

but waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more when things start getting intense

[pale quartz]

freesync/gsync monitors will have a lower idle, the higher bandwidth the monitor(s) have the more thats needed, its just math

once you go dual config you can throw idle out the window

[prime jasper]

mine isn't that bad with 2 144 Hz displays running. one's 3440x1440, one is 1920x1080. and i've got youtube and discord running

[pale quartz]

with combined refresh rates it's normally fine, it's when you get into mixed refresh rates that you will start having trouble

or alternatively have a rdna3 card

[prime jasper]

ooh. let me see how much more I can kill the environment if I run my other monitor at 60

i dunno. i've got a youtube video running on each display, one is 144, one is 60, getting like 25 w

unless this is nvidia overlay is flat out lying to me

[pale quartz]

you have a lovelace card so its not applicable to you, its with others specifically

lovelace and (soon to be blackwell) resolved the problem at an architecture level

[quick locust]

i run 40W idle with single monitor

though the vram clock never downclocks on this card

[prime jasper]

but the person we were talking about also has a 4070

the guy who is heating up his room

which is what started the power draw discussion to begin with

[pale quartz]

could be for any number of reasons, thats the well lack of fun when youre working with monitors

[prime jasper]

ok. time to turn off this 2nd monitor. it's my xbox screen anyway

[molten flame]

Radeon doesn't even compare to Turing yet

they are too far behind

Intel is already better at software features too and they only had 1 generation of dGPUs so far

[terse glade]

Tell that to amd fanboys

[coarse nimbus]

so my slow internet speed was due to not having the fucking network cable fully pushed in.... god thats a new low in stupidity

[willow schooner]

RT wise, Radeon 7000 is roughly similar to Ampere, so thats not really true

[pale quartz]

sorta kinda

for light to medium RT implementations it is similar to ampere but if it's full blown PT like wukong or Alan wake 2 performance nosedives and is similar to turing

[willow schooner]

Eh, its a mostly accurate statement. 7900XTX is about the same as a 3090ti

In RT at least, and is much faster in Raster

I REALLY dont think full PT is gong to take of as a thing for the next 5 years

[pale quartz]

it already is well if you follow ue5, it's mass adoption is/has started so 3 is more realistic

now, replace lighting, yes 5 years is realistic

but in terms of aging that's pretty horrendous for a well "new" architecture, that happens to be defective

[willow schooner]

Yeah, I mean full scale adoption of PT lighting. I dont think it will happen til the next console gen

[pale quartz]

the issue for Radeon is because performance falls off a cliff for heavy RT implementations DLSS existing means there is a more than likely chance ampere will age better as fsr requires a high base framerate to uplift performance, tricky situation to be in generally

[willow schooner]

Maybe not even then, a lot depends on (As you have said with UE5) how engines develop and integrate

[pale quartz]

well, better phrasing is, it's already starting

[candid flame]

rx 7600 thinks he's part of the gang

[pale quartz]

it is a pretty embarrassing situation to be in that because your technology is software accelerated the prior generation beats it entirely

[willow schooner]

Yeah, games like this, PT Cyberpunk & PT AW2 really show how ahead of the pack Nvidia are

Like if heavy RT and PT became a big thing even in the next 2-3 years....30 and 40 series cards will age a lot better than anything AMD have on the table

[pale quartz]

yeah it's quite the funny predicament to be in

had someone said 3 years ago that we would be in the situation where titles would be beating the latest Radeon generation with ampere they would be laughed at.. but it's where we are

[lost cargo]

RTX is taking over like always

[prime jasper]

I decided to buy pulsar xlite v3

[midnight crypt]

Imagine nuking more than half your performance for RT

[pale quartz]

its a single player game...

[candid flame]

check other-games to see the official content creator's guide from the dev

yeah fuck this game

[midnight crypt]

Yeah i dont care that its a singleplayer game

[pale quartz]

..

[willow schooner]

4090 owners be like...so what, still over 100 FPS

[lost cargo]

[coarse nimbus]

what did it cost though? 2 arms and half a leg

[lost cargo]

my lower body

[willow schooner]

About 3 days of work wages

[lost cargo]

2 months of paychecks

[coarse nimbus]

i see we have the battle of the higher ups, vs the lower workers

[molten flame]

3060ti and 3070 and 3080 10GB won’t age well because of VRAM

30 series had horrible VRAM configs for lot of segments

[coarse nimbus]

anyone want to buy a slightly used 3070

[digital hill]

Can you take $3.50 plus free shipping, final offer

[prime jasper]

anyone got clue why my games minimize when i try to use the windows build in screeshot tool?

[lost cargo]

$4.20

[prime jasper]

or does it happen to other as well

[digital hill]

Fine I'll do my ultimate offer $6.90 and free shipping

[molten flame]

https://tech4gamers.com/black-myth-wukong-intel-crashing/

[lost cargo]

$14.69

[digital hill]

$16.69 is my final offer

[lost cargo]

$21.69

[pale quartz]

you need to use borderless

[toxic wigeon]

Poor Intel can't catch a break.

[prime jasper]

no i figured out why it does that, i was on second monitor then alt tabbed back without moving mouse out of second monitor. works normally if i go back with movin mouse back into main monitor

it still minimizes the game after i have taken the screenshot but thats not an issue. it minimized it before i was able to take it

[opal osprey]

Guys is a couch and a big ass tv and a ps4 a goated setup?

[prime jasper]

no

[primal pier]

Depends on the couch

And how big of an ass is this tv

[molten flame]

They made Aunt Fanny into a TV

[rich drift]

Why does my game keep freeze framing for a second or two? It’s annoying

[tawny mauve]

apple software in a windows laptop? idk if I have that installed

[lofty light]

iTunes?

Also if you’ve connected an iPhone etc it’ll have to load some stuff to make it talk

[tawny mauve]

nope never did

[coarse nimbus]

ok is this stupid minor screen flickering yet another windows 11 bug thats somehow not fixed yet..

seems like the graphics driver will crash (had it happen the other day when i started a benchmark program) and just now again on the desktop- and a restart fixes it

[quick locust]

Rich

[tawny mauve]

how do I get lenovo driver 1.15.0.0 update to appear again?

last month it did but didn't finish

[willow schooner]

*Hardworking for 15 years to get to this point

[ripe lynx]

unnecesary, got a 4060 theres not a game i cant run on 144

the first game that might achieve it will be gta 6

i trust that if i mush the space marine 2 graphics enough ill do 144 too

dont need my game to look like a cinema experience

[ripe lynx]

ya its the most valuable company in the world

[willow schooner]

Cool and all, but I bought a 360hz OLED for a reason

[light wave]

Funny since the 4090 barely runs it

[quick locust]

4090 is more than a months pay for me xP

[coarse nimbus]

first it was "can it run crysis", now we are at "how long do i have to work to afford 4090"

[willow schooner]

Define barely runs it?

Higher 1% lows than the average FPS of the closest GPU to it seems like it more than runs it fine

[midnight crypt]

are there any numbers without FG and RT?

[willow schooner]

Unsure if this is without RT, but it is without FG

[midnight crypt]

i take it cinematic quality is their ultra or above setting

[pale quartz]

avatar, Helldivers, Alan wake 2, black myth wukong, there's tons lol

4060 isn't that powerful relatively speaking

[ripe lynx]

it isnt and it isnt even worth buying for the price

best deal is a 4070 relatively

but a 4060 build is 1k euro or was when i bought it and couldnt afford anything else so im glad for what i have and ill juice the crap out of it

[obsidian mason]

4090 is the best deal if you really plan on playing the best of the best on 4K

[willow schooner]

*isnt worth buying for you

[pale quartz]

yeah "worth" don't matter when you're talking about halo products

[obsidian mason]

People pretend the 4090 is a ripoff cause it’s a lot of money, but it’s a powerhouse compared to the 4080 (which actually isn’t worth it because of its neighbors)

[pale quartz]

if you are strictly talking about price compared to framerate nothing can beat the 4090 if it was bought at launch

[willow schooner]

More like "Value" doesnt matter. worth is subjective

[obsidian mason]

worth isn’t subjective but it’s definitely case by case

[willow schooner]

Bruh what?

[pale quartz]

it is a 2080ti situation where if bought that card at launch you got unparalleled value similar to the 4090

[obsidian mason]

I’m just saying that “worth” can almost always be quantified reasonably

[coarse nimbus]

lmao what...amazon has a 4090 FE for $2700, who would ever purchase that

[willow schooner]

Thats value

[obsidian mason]

Therefore it’s really not subjective

[pale quartz]

it is definitely subjective

[obsidian mason]

Defining worth:

[pale quartz]

everyone's system is different what are you getting at

[obsidian mason]

Equivalent in value to the sum or item specified

[pale quartz]

yes, that's a subjective equation, lol

[ripe lynx]

alright grammar police

[willow schooner]

In one sentence you have actually said its not subjective...but it is definitely case by case...meaning it is subjective lol

[pale quartz]

someone at 1080p isn't going to be buying a 4090 it doesn't matter how "objective" the measurement is

[obsidian mason]

Worth is not subjective LOL you’d bankrupt a company with that nonsense idea

[pale quartz]

..?

what are you pretending that consumers don't interact with price or something

[obsidian mason]

Nope, I’m saying that economics aren’t just a “subjective” thing

[willow schooner]

But...they are?

[pale quartz]

.. they are

[obsidian mason]

There is objectively such a thing as better value for use cases

[obsidian mason]

No they aren’t

[pale quartz]

think you need to learn about the basics about market theory my guy not doing yourself any good

[obsidian mason]

Never become an economist with that stupid mindset

“yes the market is based on my personal feelings and opinions”

[willow schooner]

And that...is why we are not saying value and worth are the same thing...you are flip flopping like crazy here lol

[pale quartz]

sorry my guy but I used to work at a bank

[obsidian mason]

They are the same thing per like almost every definition

[pale quartz]

so won't work

[willow schooner]

No they are not

haha wtf

[obsidian mason]

Okay? Counting money doesn’t mean you understand how the economy fully works

Or what the word subjective means

[pale quartz]

you don't understand the basics of market principles and you're kinda embarrassing yourself

stop whilst you're ahead

[obsidian mason]

“Equivalent in value to sum or item” is the definition of worth

value and worth are therefore the same thing as they’re equivalent

literally stop being a moron

[willow schooner]

No they are not, in this context

[obsidian mason]

what context

what definition lol

[willow schooner]

Wow, is wrong > moves to name calling. Ive won already

[pale quartz]

Adam smith would be rolling in his grave if he read this lol

[obsidian mason]

Nope

Believe it or not, insults don’t invalidate an argument

[willow schooner]

Sorry, youve lost any respect. Your opinion is not needed anymore

[pale quartz]

bsod just ignore him tbh no point interacting with someone in denial

[obsidian mason]

This is basic language stuff; the ad hominem is invalid in place of the argument

[obsidian mason]

Okay so explain how objectively priced things are subjective in value considering price to performance ratio and also diminishing returns

also how the economy is influenced or based on your personal opinions, taste, belief

[willow schooner]

The worth to a user in not needing to compromise settings to run their games for years at the highest level

[obsidian mason]

objectively by price-to-performance and diminishing returns then the 4090 is clearly the best option

not subjectively, objectively

[willow schooner]

Subjectively, just because something is the "best" doesnt make it the best thing for an indoidual

As cost/user available money comes into question..

[pale quartz]

this will be my final message on the topic, market theory (consumerism) is what dictates price, the MSRP, is just a guideline, it is not the market price of something, you fundamentally misunderstand theory on why prices are variable and why subjectivity is what defines a price, so your confidence is misplaced and well wrong, I won't continue this but do a bit of research before trying to conflate subjectivity and objectivity, they aren't the same thing, and that's where you fall apart

[obsidian mason]

of course then there’s the objective fact that you shouldn’t go homeless to buy a 4090

[obsidian mason]

Price varying definitely does not mean the value is subjective

[willow schooner]

Worth is

Dear god, what are you not understanding here

[pale quartz]

bsod for your own sanity best to just disengage

[obsidian mason]

language vs economics, the greatest battle

[willow schooner]

Its only a battle when one person needs to go to google definition for their replies

[obsidian mason]

I love semantics (it doesn’t actually matter if it’s “objective” or “subjective”, obviously matters what means more to you)

[obsidian mason]

Google definition vs undefined will always be a win for the google definition

obviously worth and value weren’t defined here so I didn’t have to try harder

[willow schooner]

Because for all of us, we dont need a google definition to knoe what we are talking about

[obsidian mason]

I just felt like winning an easy debate

Still did

[willow schooner]

So decided to throw the arguement and lose, GG

[obsidian mason]

Octri 1 - #technology 0

[willow schooner]

and still dont understand what worth to a user is...and why it is highly subjective

[pale quartz]

just report him for sandbag baiting tbh not worth the effort

[obsidian mason]

“Sandbag baiting” okay but I won the argument with facts and logic

[willow schooner]

*lost

[obsidian mason]

this is sore loser behavior

[obsidian mason]

Obviously I do, but I said there’s such a thing as “objectively more valuable on a case by case basis”

Which means it’s not subjective that bankrupting yourself for a 4090 is a good idea when you only need 1080p gaming

[willow schooner]

So you meant subjective

[obsidian mason]

varying from person to person |= subjective

[willow schooner]

"Subjectively more valuable" is correct english in that sentence

[obsidian mason]

The ‘needs’ the person sets may be subjective, however, there are objectively better ways to fulfill needs and therefore objectively better value for someone’s use case

[willow schooner]

the need defines the worth

[obsidian mason]

like if someone wants to drink water in a desert then it’s objectively better to drink from a river than a pond

whether or not the person needs water at that moment, it’s objectively better to drink from the river cause it has much less chance of bad bacteria

oh wait

In any case it’s basically just that the worth isn’t subjective because it’s 100% case by case, the case may be subjective, the worth for the case may not be (and thus is objective)