technology

[cursive orchid]

also @alpine anvil playing hunt showdown what a nice taste you have

i think you guys have the best mods i ever seen

[long echo]

Please do not tag mods that are not active in chat 😄

[cursive orchid]

[toxic wigeon]

By the way guys just a big disclaimer. Deco is someone who I trust with this kind of stuff. Just don't go installing random software unless you are absolutely sure.

It's super cool tho

[midnight crypt]

#gethacked

[brave sundial]

deco never showed the virustotal link, so you never know

[toxic wigeon]

Haha

[candid flame]

will updating the dlss dlls yourself trigger some anti-cheat

[pale quartz]

nah it won't trigger

the dll is signed by Nvidia, if it was different a anti cheat would detect it but to do that it'd need to be a (custom) dll

aka you'd need to break it apart and modify it

[pale quartz]

it's actually a backdoor program I've got control of your pc now

[quick locust]

Deco is in your walls

[molten flame]

time to set up background miner

[toxic wigeon]

xP

[mystic flax]

Behold peasants. The ROG STRIX RTX 4090

[toxic wigeon]

Nice!

[dry pike]

Very nice. Going to run minesweeper like crazy

[mystic flax]

Now I gotta wait for the case and my next payday where I get fans, thermal paste, white cables, and the windows 11 operating system

[molten flame]

I want 4090 tbh but for the same price I can buy a professionally handcrafted USA guitar

[dry pike]

Waiting for next gen until I even wanna think of replacing my 3080ti

[molten coral]

im waiting on the 50xx

my 2080ti needs to be replaced

can only use 1 screen

[mystic flax]

This is everything I have now

[molten flame]

I'm gonna get a 4070 with single 8-pin connector

[pale quartz]

@toxic wigeon fyi I'm just going to change the integration to have the user supply the path directory for where the games are installed for ea play and battle.net, fixes the problem

[toxic wigeon]

Ohhh

Yeah I'll run it later for sure.

[mystic flax]

Unboxed it

Couple cool things that came along with it

[mystic flax]

So I got a small cardboard stand with it, a ring, and the screwdriver

Oh and this as well

[midnight crypt]

hope Asus doesnt screw you over

if the gpu ever has issues

[hidden panther]

Sorry

Hi

I am using a 7800X3D with a 7900XT

Massive upgrades for me

[midnight crypt]

same here but the XTX

[brave sundial]

Same here but if you subtract 20003D from the first and 1300XT from the 2nd

[modern gull]

If you care about value and can survive a while on current gpu i'd waited until 50 series

Like if you take the example from 3090 to 4080, 4080 is about 40% faster from what i know. So thinking maybe you can see similar gains or at least lower price for same performance 🤷 That is ofc if you care about value

I am gonna wait for the 50 series myself

Eitherway, nice specs bro 😛

[pale quartz]

as an idea 5080 will match the 4090

but it wont be cheap

[mystic flax]

I'll check the 50 series later on.

Or I just skip the 50 series and go for a 60 series

[modern gull]

Oh cheap probably not, but i would be pretty confident it might be up to half price cheaper

[pale quartz]

nope

[mystic flax]

Like a 4090 ain't becoming a budget and outdated GPU anytime soon

[modern gull]

What gpu you got now?

[modern gull]

True

[pale quartz]

expect the 1200 range roughly

[mystic flax]

The 4090 Rog strix

If you are talking about the PC I'm using currently it's a 20 series

[modern gull]

Well, i expect around that but more 1000k maybe 🤷

[modern gull]

so 2 generation upgrade, same as i will. I have 3070 now

[mystic flax]

I may just do a consistent 2 gen or 3 gen upgrade

[modern gull]

If gains are worth the price

@pale quartz cheapest 4080 prices are basically half of cheapest 4090 here. But i am staying positive for somewhat better pricing even better vram. Didn't they do better prices for recent 4070's? So there might be some price reduction, but we'll have to see 🤷

Ti super or what not

[pale quartz]

4080/4090 performance difference is roughly 35%, the 4090 will already downgrade in price so they wont have the 5080 be cheap, they will artificially limit supply if required to maintain msrp for blackwell

[modern gull]

The 3090 as an example is nobody selling new now, i know it's a bit late to mention it considering the time since release. Last sold was at same as the price was for the most time, and some even more expensive. The 4090 will drop out of market here quite qick too i am thinking, for new ones*

[pale quartz]

yes thats done by nvidia to maintain high prices, once blackwell launches they will begin ceasing production of lovelace products to dry up supply in the second hand market, the GPU market is engineered by nvidia

[modern gull]

🤷

Eitherway it's usually more benifical buying newer series than older ones, value wise

That was my point

[crisp lance]

mny 1060 is still holding up dw

that 4090 will hold up fine

😼

[crisp lance]

though all id recc is a am5 contact frame

doesn't do much with temps like some intel cpu but

the shape of the chip is, wonky and thermal paste clean up </3

[pale quartz]

@toxic wigeon https://github.com/Recol/DLSS-Updater/releases/tag/V1.2.4 custom handling is done for epic games and ea play now, it will detect them correctly

[turbid verge]

have fun building it

[modern gull]

Have fun putting your life savings into a box*

[molten flame]

I doubt 5080 comes close to 4090, I think 4090 will still be in 2nd place, behind 5090

maybe unless they go beyond 256-bit for 5080

[peak pagoda]

gtx 650

[hidden panther]

If this is strictly for gaming then this is an embarrassingly waste of money

4090 has better uses

But enjoy your build I guess

[mystic flax]

Just gotta make it negative huh. Lol

Yeah that shit cost 2k but It'll last me longer than the current PC ever did

Last me up until 60-70 series

[hidden panther]

I’m on a 4070ti or 7900XT in my case, also you are using water cooling sooo enjoy a 5 year water cooling lifespan… yeah odd isn’t it well known water cooling breaks your pc faster than your cpu and GPU will wear.

Hope you are willing to filter that shit every 3-4 months

[mystic flax]

Why the fuck are you that negative for

[hidden panther]

I’m very negative because 10+ years doing this.. it’s draining and I’ve seen to many mistakes

[mystic flax]

Chill

I'll get a new cooling system then not that hard.

Oooh it's going to break. Yeah I'm aware it's going to break, everything does, nothing can last forever

Like chill out, yeah the floor is made out of floor

[hidden panther]

Keep this in mind

The best and the highest number doesn’t mean it’s the best

[mystic flax]

Yeah I know that, that's why I did research. I'm fully aware of the lifetime of these products especially the AIO.

[hidden panther]

LQ III or II my phone is tiny

[mystic flax]

I'll switch it out with either another AIO or a Fan cooler

[dry pike]

AIO's you can't refill should be illegal. Pretty big waste.

[hidden panther]

Are you on a 7800X3D?

It’s the best X3D model at 88W and doesn’t need water cooling

If it’s an X then 🔥

It’s hard to see it

I’m on all air cooling avg 45C-53C in all gaming scenarios, unless it’s loading or intense game with lots of simulation at 60C which is 25C below critical

[dry pike]

Are you living in 15C ambient 😄

[mystic flax]

That and have a higher risk of leakage

[hidden panther]

The mistake of installing water cooling but not having a back valve to drain

Happened too many times

[mystic flax]

Like it could extend the lifespan but like I don't want this thing to leak ever and the AIOs that are popular are good enough that leakages are very rare

[dry pike]

Humans have added fillports that don't leak for ages. AIO's should be part of that proud tradition.

[mystic flax]

Maybe in the next generation of AIOs

[pale quartz]

zen 4 boost range for clocks goes up to 90 degrees, 85 isn't a critical level

[hidden panther]

Mmmm

Marshmallows

Then again I don’t over clock because I don’t need it

[pale quartz]

downclocking won't kick in till it hits 95 degrees sustained, it's the normal boost range

[hidden panther]

Fair I also just leave everything on auto with adrenaline

It does what it needs to do well

[pale quartz]

overclocking is dead anyways it should be removed entirely

[hidden panther]

Fair point

Overclocking is like what 2009-2015 shit

[pale quartz]

yeah hardware is already at redline at stock from factory anyways, just gives users a false sense of security when they're in fact causing silent bit rot on their system unknowingly

the amount of users who have ecc is also tiny

or if you're unlucky enough to own 13th/14th gen a potentially ticking time bomb of it dying entirely

[toxic wigeon]

Observers x3d is gonna run cold

[hidden panther]

Ice

[stray needle]

Will i see a noticeable performance decline going 4k over 1440p with the following gear: 12900KS & 4090 OC

Secondly. I guess that cpu is still fine for the time being. No reason to look for newer ?

[modern gull]

I think soo too tbh. This also comes down to when next gen consoles gonna release, i am thinking that could impact and increase base hardware requirements for games

Also, you don't have to worry one bit about vram for the moment too

I got my 3070 in january 2021, haven't fully reached its limit yet even. The 8gb has for sure though

For gaming*

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/seasonic-lists-geforce-rtx-5090-with-500w-tdp-and-rtx-5080-with-350w-16-pin-connector-for-all-rtx-50-models

i might have to go ahead and get a 4070 since I don't want to adapt to new 16-pin standard

[modern gull]

Why though?

Also these are comfirmed wattage i would assume? 🤔

[pale quartz]

A: yes you will, Nvidia GPUs become constricted by IPC on the processor, with a 4090 you won't be able to max utilisation because of the 12900k, the effect will be lessened if you intend for 4k directly but it will still be there

no processor can actually fully use a 4090 as is

[modern gull]

I am ready to buy this

Directly from psu, no unnecessary adapters

[pale quartz]

he'll need to move to it anyways because Radeon themselves are transferring over

the atx 3 spec isn't new at this point

[modern gull]

Don't come as a suprise tbh

If i am getting 5080 i need new psu

[molten flame]

my SFX corsair SF750 will outlive me

[modern gull]

[molten flame]

8-pins for days

[modern gull]

Got and 750 myself atm, waiting for 5070/5080 specs to see which i am going to buy

[modern gull]

Just get this one 😛

[molten flame]

I will move to Battlemage then

[pale quartz]

never got any generic 16 pin cable

it has to be specific to your power supply manufacturer due to the pin layout design

you risk a fire otherwise

[modern gull]

Its type 4 corsair cable

Mhm

I have type 4 psu

So no problem

[pale quartz]

not guaranteed, you'll need to check Corsair themselves

even cross type 4 isn't fully compatible with all their PSUs

[molten flame]

supposedly 256-bit RDNA4 could be pushing close to 350 watts

[pale quartz]

well theyre only targeting up to the xtx next generation so

[modern gull]

My pcie/cpu is type 4 at least

Imagine not reading on this then buying 1000 dollar gpu, can't even refund it lol

[pale quartz]

yeah one con most consumers will pass by

[molten flame]

yeah 7900XTX is supposed to remain fastest Radeon GPU for raw performance anyway, I think RDNA4 ray-tracing will be a good bit faster than XTX

[pale quartz]

it will but it won't matter

since the highest end target for rasterisation is the same RT advancements will be diminished

[modern gull]

Me as i know stuff can change quite fast with tech i read on this to make sure if psu is compatible or not

[molten flame]

top RDNA4 is like 5070Ti competitor

[hidden panther]

I just have the XT and I’m running circles around the XTX xD

[pale quartz]

not even

5070

[molten flame]

so top RDNA4 is gonna be a $400-500 GPU

[pale quartz]

much more expensive than that, worth the price, absolutely not

[molten flame]

[hidden panther]

If laugh if we don’t go to 50 series and go to double digits like RTX2 50
xD

[pale quartz]

Blackwell advancements are not double digits

[modern gull]

I guess time will tell

[pale quartz]

it's in efficiency mainly

[molten flame]

Battlemage seems to be competitive with 4070 or 3080

[pale quartz]

yeah battlemage will come out in the year 2030

by the time it's already out it's already doa

[molten flame]

8800XT has to be $500 at max or it will not outsell the 4070 Super or 7800XT

[pale quartz]

top end RDNA4 price targets rn are about the 750 mark

[molten flame]

[pale quartz]

they may change closer to launch but rough price guidance

[molten flame]

rumor says it's like 7900XT performance at best

probably like 7900GRE

[pale quartz]

well, yeah, their top target is the xtx

the second product down is the xt

what happens when you need to redesign a graphics card mid cycle

[molten flame]

MCM GCDs did not work out at all

[pale quartz]

RDNA4 is a filler generation it will fix the hardware defects with 3 but nothing more

[modern gull]

To go back to wattage for a moment. The 3080 ti max out at 350W and a 750w psu is recomended with the 165w i9-10980XE. So guess if i buy 5080 i might not need to upgrade psu 🤷 🤔

[pale quartz]

do not buy a 5080 if you're running that lol

[molten flame]

RDNA5 might not be MCM for GCDs either, memory/cache chiplets only

[pale quartz]

that processor is going to need to be upgraded aswell

[modern gull]

[modern gull]

but 120w

Is less than the i9-10980XE

[pale quartz]

you will wall a 5080 with that it doesn't matter

won't even hit the power target

[modern gull]

Perhaps 🤷 We'll see whats recomended anyway on release i guess. Also might be i just get the 5070 if performance/price is nice, that would live fine with 750w psu

[molten flame]

segmentation is up in the air for RTX 5000 series, 5080 could end up 320-bit on very cut-down GB202 silicon, or it could end up with same specs as the 4080 Super

[pale quartz]

as an idea zen 2/3 with a 4090 wall it currently

your IPC on 10th gen is about 40% slower than zen 3

so you won't even hit the tdp target for a 5080 if you buy it

[molten flame]

10980XE is just a matured 7980XE

[pale quartz]

yeah for that level of rasterisation it's a no go a 4080 is not even advised

[molten flame]

4070 Ti Super

[pale quartz]

you can get away with old processors with Radeon but Nvidia never

[modern gull]

Was thinking in terms of wattage usage. I am still getting the 7800x3d

If you talking about performance of the cpu to hit TDP

[pale quartz]

nope, just on the graphics card

the wattage is arbitrary here

because youre IPC walled from the getgo the power draw will never hit max

[turbid verge]

Bought it, so far no complains. for the price per performance I get, its a solid investment

[modern gull]

What do you mean? I dont know fancy english

[modern gull]

7800x3d i am viewing as great cpu

[pale quartz]

essentially the problem is you are single core bound on the processor, in shorter terms you will not be able to hit the max wattage draw from a (potential 5080) because of that with your 10th gen, so any wattage difference is negated

if you are talking about a 7800x3d then that changes and no longer applies but with 10th gen that's the case

[molten flame]

you think 5000 series will have an exclusive new version of DLSS

[modern gull]

Let me put this way. 3080ti 350w gpu, nvidia recomend 750w cpu with 165w cpu which in the recomendation case was i9-10980XE. The 7800x3d is 120w, so i am thinking maybe it will be fine with 750 again. But i still have feeling i might upgrade psu anyway

[pale quartz]

yes so with any potential 5080 your wattage regardless of its tdp will be less, so if it's 450, you'll actually only be able to get it to say 350, etc

you don't have the problem with your 3080ti, but you will if you upgrade the GPU to a 4090/5080

[modern gull]

I see, so probably need to upgrade then if 350w gpu for 5080

What i understand at least

[pale quartz]

essentially yeah

[modern gull]

I see, i am 100% the 5070 wont need new psu though. It should also have plenty of wattage headroom on 750 i am thinking

[modern gull]

Maybe, but i can't think of what 🤷

[pale quartz]

I don't have internals on the 5070 currently so I don't have a clue about power draw targets for it as of now, but if you're going that route it's a fair assessment to assume

[molten flame]

5070 likely launch around January-March anyway

[modern gull]

I have a feeling buying 5080 might not be worth, but have to wait and see. Maybe just going 4070 ti super would be fine enough, comes down to new features, performance and price if it will be 50 series or not

[modern gull]

Not big problem tbh for me. I can survive on what i have just need some more patience

The gpu is capable just upgrading is basically patience matter. Well, also some vram issues though

[quick locust]

Me want BMG

[pale quartz]

[quick locust]

Soon

As soon as I replace my 8700K

Actually might go ARL

[pale quartz]

that thing will need to go in a museum

[quick locust]

But yeah ARL will be huge upgrade for me, but will need to upgrade a whole lot of stuff

Not sure if I will go new case or not as well

[willow schooner]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/warframe-devs-report-80-percent-of-game-crashes-happen-on-intel-overclockable-core-i9-chips

[brave sundial]

What about my old 4th gen

[quick locust]

[brave sundial]

I got it booting win11 with 8gb ram on a hdd

[pale quartz]

virus processor

[brave sundial]

Felt like a night and day difference going from that to a R7 5800X

[quick locust]

I mean most of my workplace use windows XP and 7 computers

Connected online with an AV making everything so slow

[light wave]

Used to have one, is your 5800x a bit spicy as well?

[brave sundial]

Yeah, but isn't that normal for them?

[toxic wigeon]

My mums 5800H is dying.

I think

She got a blue screen of death.

[brave sundial]

what

[small zinc]

Reading above. The 4090 was first touted as drawing 450 watts of power. Ada was proven that to be wrong, so the 5090 drawing 500 and the 5080 drawing 350 is a load of crap

Ada architecture is actually super efficient

It was proven you could literally cut the 4090 in half with Riva Tuner/MSI Afterburner or any of the 3rd party tuning apps and still retain 90% performance

Seasonic leaking 500 watts is simply another gimmick to buy something you don't need.

Don't get me wrong. Seasonic makes top tier power supplies. But 500 watts is absurd.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/cancelled-geforce-rtx-4070-with-7168-cuda-cores-and-10gb-memory-emerges

[pastel field]

@mild aspen

can't find this for sale DX

[mild aspen]

Ew.

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rain-face-down-totoro-gif-7201821

[pastel field]

y is u liek dis

tell d0k pl0x @mild aspen

[mild aspen]

Wireless audio is terrible.

Compressed bad quality.

Disconnection issues.

[pastel field]

so d0k should build an antenna 👀?

[mild aspen]

Get wired headphones.

[pastel field]

I wanna listen to music tho

something other than a jbl wireless

dx

[mild aspen]

You can listen to music with wired headphones.

[pastel field]

ack dx

you got a point

[mild aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/wurmple-party-hard-pokemon-gif-24016485

[pastel field]

https://tenor.com/view/wurmple-party-hard-pokemon-gif-24016485

maybe i could strangle myself with the wires too idk

[mild aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-flushed-flush-tights-white-hair-gif-20754818

[pastel field]

ok you win DX

[candid flame]

sus

[storm osprey]

Like wireless mice, they are really good now. I have a 6xx with a schiit stack but for gaming I use Arctis nova 7

[brave sundial]

To extreme audiophiles, yes

To 97% of humans on planet earth, indiscernable really

Not like they have studio level equipment to compare with

And the average guy isn't going to fork over thrice the money for something like a deezer or tidal hifi sub or start collecting flacs.

[mild aspen]

I mean you can hear when audio is compressed easily. It sounds muddy and like you're in a closet.

It's like when you cover your ears.

[willow schooner]

The price of good wireless audio hardware, is not worth it. Especially when even the best will sound worse than mid tier wired cans.

[brave sundial]

It's worth it if you don't sit at home all the time

You can't just fold wired cans easily into a small carrying case and slip them on and instantly connect to your phone while on the train or something.

It's about convenience

If barely travel then yeah your reasoning would make sense if you only buy headphones based on the sound quality alone.

[willow schooner]

I mean, you can. And you dont have to charge your headphones. Which is a massive inconvenience to me

I do travel, and I use a separate pair of wired headphones for that purpose

[mild aspen]

We're talking about large overhead wireless headphones. The truly wireless earbuds I consider to be much better in handling compressed audio than the overhead wireless headphones.

When paired to phones, the earbuds sound fine, but when you pair it to a computer, oh my jesus is it horrid.

[brave sundial]

I don't really need to bother with battery until after a few days for me, and even then I can just put it on charge while sleeping on that odd day I need to.

[brave sundial]

Windows doesn't support those better codecs out of the box unfortunately

[pale quartz]

they do

ldac etc are supported

support is based on the specific network receiver not windows itself

[brave sundial]

You need A2dp or something to support that right

[pale quartz]

no

BT codecs are on the receiver (hardware) windows has default support itself

[willow schooner]

But if you need to bring a charging cable with you everywhere, doesn't that negate the whole "We dont need to worry about a cable" part?

To each their own to be fair, convenience for you and I are going to be different situations. I basically have a home setup, then a separate travel setup (same mouse, travel headset is wired and has a built in mic). Then I just use a small pair of noise cancelling earbuds for use with tablet/phone, ETC

[brave sundial]

True, but you also bring your phone charger with you, mine also charge with usb c so it's not really a hassle for me

[willow schooner]

Fair point too.

Any wireless headsets ive tried have left a lot to be desired. So I just stick to wired.

[mild aspen]

Yeah, I hate Windows support for bluetooth.

Makes me want to switch to a macbook pro.

[pale quartz]

windows supports Bluetooth, essentially them all, aptX, aptX HD and ldac are supported

[pale quartz]

prepare to be disappointed lol

SBC only for non iPhone headphones

[quick locust]

Windows? Couldnt be me

[mild aspen]

The only time the bluetooth connection is stable is when the device comes with an adapter even if you have bluetooth built into the motherboard.

[pale quartz]

well yeah cause the receiver in your board is probably ass

[mild aspen]

I've tried bluetooth headphones across all motherboards of bad quality and premium quality. They're all bad.

[pale quartz]

they're not

[mild aspen]

[pale quartz]

mt7922 Bluetooth is fine as is the last 2 generations of intel receivers

[mild aspen]

My experiences don't lie.

[pale quartz]

well they do because it's factually not correct

[mild aspen]

Maybe all the motherboards I've tried are faulty.

That'd be an amazing coincidence if they were.

[pale quartz]

if you don't actually read the board specification, you're going to get ass quality, is how it works

need to know what you're buying

[mild aspen]

Oh, I read up on them.

I don't buy motherboards all willy nilly without research.

[pale quartz]

no I mean the actual onboard components

[mild aspen]

What else would you mean?

[pale quartz]

the internal hardware the board is using, the thing that isn't mentioned in reviews, or otherwise

[willow schooner]

Another reason they are crap tho, no? you need to both have good and expensive headpones, and a premium tier motherboard. This just makes me went them less

[mild aspen]

Yep. That's what everyone should do.

[pale quartz]

e.g. aquantia nic etc

[brave sundial]

Did they use realtek receivers

Those are horrible

[mild aspen]

No.

I had those before on my first build.

Horrible experience.

[pale quartz]

yes and no, most of Bluetooth wireless power is by the master host rather than the slave, as is the same with WiFi, it's only really the case if it's a really budget piece of headphones that it matters to a big extent

most headphones are similar enough in maturity for hardware that it's negligible

[mild aspen]

What do you guys consider premium wireless overhead headphones? Audio-Technica and Sennheiser massive cans?

[brave sundial]

Sony is good value

[molten coral]

sony XM4

[mild aspen]

Ew.

[pale quartz]

in terms of Bluetooth ldac/aptX HD would be classified as premium tier

[mild aspen]

AT and Sennheiser use both of those.

Standards.

[pale quartz]

no they don't lol

ldac is Sonys codec

they don't pay the license

sennheiser supports aptX/aptX HD and aptX low latency it doesn't support ldac

[mild aspen]

I mean the equivalence.

[pale quartz]

there's no equivalent

ldac is the highest bandwidth stream codec there is for Bluetooth

[mild aspen]

So, you're saying Sony is the only way to get okay sounding wireless overhead headphones?

[pale quartz]

no

[mild aspen]

Sounds like a horrible market.

[pale quartz]

there's just no "equivalent" for Bluetooth codec

[willow schooner]

Everything being said here just makes me want wireless less and less lol.

[pale quartz]

LDAC transmission is as close to lossless as is possible for Bluetooth it doesn't have a competitor

[brave sundial]

once you go wireless with the whxms, you never go back unless you have really good wired cans

[pale quartz]

it's that high that you physically can't hear it, ironically

[mild aspen]

My beloved wired headphones are $500.

I got them for $180 from a friend who resold them to me.

Because he loved his Sennheiser HD650s more.

I accidentally convinced him to get the ones he sold to me because I was telling him how great they were. He bought them again for the second time.

[willow schooner]

OOF

[mild aspen]

They're the AKG K701.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-headphones-bored-studying-gif-13733841

These.

They're no longer made in Austria.

[willow schooner]

Oh, I have 2 pairs of the K702s and I fucking hate them lol

[mild aspen]

Didn't like the suspension system?

Or, didn't like the flat signature?

I hear the K702s were a bit bass boosted.

They're the ones Quincy Jones worked on right?

[willow schooner]

Dont like anything about them. the build quality is crap. Those mini XLRs come lose and I got nothign but issues from them.

[mild aspen]

Oh yeah, I can see that. They're worse quality than the K701.

[willow schooner]

3 sets, all 3 had the same issue. Returned one, got a replacement...after 1 month of use, same issue again. Amd im not at all rough with hardware. It sits on my desk and doesnt get moved

[mild aspen]

Mine doesn't have detachable cables.

[willow schooner]

I currently just use 1 of 3 pairs. I use a set of Sennheisser 560S, Audio Technica ATH AD700X or Bayerdynamic DT 900 Pro X

[mild aspen]

Too many headphones. I can't collect stuff. Only things I collect are gears in MMORPGs.

[willow schooner]

Yup, thats them. the headband is rigid, the auto adjustment doesnt work well...and the material is not comfortable for long periods of wear

I make music, so I use different headphones and speakers for mixing from time to time

[mild aspen]

The only items I can think about collecting one day are books I've read if I'm in a place in life to settle down in one area enough.

I love my AKG headband.

I wear them 14 hours a day everyday.

Had them since 2013.

[storm osprey]

700x goated for sound whoring in fps games

its borderline hacks imo

[pastel field]

Nova Pro Wireless is real expensive af if I'm just going to listen to music only

The Strix Go 2.4 is on sale right now for SGD $125

Slightly cheaper than the last wired headset I purchased from Asus

[toxic wigeon]

https://www.centrecom.com.au/lg-ultragear-curved-oled-45wqhd-240hz-003ms-gaming-monitor?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkdO0BhDxARIsANkNcrdWpBKbQFx2BfuTmwmfod0hO8SvFqh1YAbj3nKZUW-pHx2I1O8OY0waAkhdEALw_wcB

Opinions?

[midnight crypt]

Curved is cringe

[willow schooner]

2000 on a monitor also. Jesus

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-launch-bartlett-s-die-with-12-p-cores-for-lga1700-platform-in-january-2025

12 P-cores

https://www.club386.com/amd-ryzen-9000-cpus-run-up-to-7c-cooler-than-the-current-generation/

[midnight crypt]

Intel should release cpus that don't rapidly degrade and die

[pale quartz]

tldr:
it has hdmi 2./DP 1.4a with DSC
the aspect ratio is non standard but not necessarily a deal breaker, if you like that size of monitor it's good
price is ok relative to AUD

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh

I was walking through Harvey's and saw it in person. Absolutely fucking huge.

[pastel field]

Chameleon style gameplay soon @toxic wigeon ?

[toxic wigeon]

Haha

[pastel field]

Bro gonna have eye functions work independently

More visual input processed

[quick locust]

Visited Intel today

👀

[pastel field]

[quick locust]

Well Intel UK

[pastel field]

I just want a new headphone wireless using 2.4GHZ RF

But I need the specs first

Purpose: just for music

[brave sundial]

Really puts the 'ultra' in ultrawide

[livid nymph]

am I just a jealous poor kid, or do I seriously think I twist my neck enough looking around at a 34 inch ultrawide to know that I'd have serious comfort issues if I had to game on that thing?

and that pixel density..argh

[molten coral]

I would 100% buy this if it had higher ppi

[foggy gazelle]

yo

i need help with steam battlefield 2042

[livid nymph]

if it had a higher ppi my video card would become a toaster oven coil

[toxic wigeon]

Sorry. DSC?

[pale quartz]

display stream compression

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah.

Not that I think it'll reach that consistently but 240hz 4k with dp 1.4 feels rude.

Does dsc assist in that or what.

[pale quartz]

yes

without it it wouldn't be possible

all DP1.4a monitors essentially need to use it to read ultra high bandwidth rates

[toxic wigeon]

Does it fuck up the quality by a noticeable amount or nah

[pale quartz]

no quality difference at all

[toxic wigeon]

Oh baby

[pale quartz]

it does affect things somewhat but nothing that matters for your use case

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah. Though I would like to know. Like what?

[pale quartz]

DLDSR can't be used with DSC, it's restricted in the driver and a few other things

largely stuff that doesn't matter

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I was gonna say what is that but I feel like if it was important to me as a whole then yeah.

I was at Harvey's and tested it.

It's absolutely massive dude.

Actual behemoth of a monitor.

The colours seem so much clearer.

[pale quartz]

even better is it supports gsync so you won't actually be seeing the best version of it

[toxic wigeon]

Can ultra wides split themselves up?

[pale quartz]

yes

there's limits to it but it can be done

[toxic wigeon]

You do not need another cable for this either no?

[pale quartz]

well you do because splitting it up means to another input

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I thought so.

I guess that's one annoying limitation is no 2 DP ports but it's not like I'm going to be playing two games at all.

[pale quartz]

yeah it doesn't support 2 DP ports because it's technically already combining 2 to be able to output that high a resolution at that framerate

[toxic wigeon]

I heard something about OS issues if the two monitors are running at separate frame rates.

So I guess I'll have to do some weird shit to get that set up.

[pale quartz]

you want 2 monitors with that huge thing

[toxic wigeon]

I mean

Sorry I meant with the split screen HAHA

[pale quartz]

if you split it up it may cause issues but it shouldnt be necessary explicitly, windows 11 has the virtual window manager for different desktops

[toxic wigeon]

Nah Deco I'll buy a second one of that monitor and stack it vertically.

[pale quartz]

one key combo and you can switch to whatever else it is

[toxic wigeon]

That's my dream.

[pale quartz]

good way to end up with paralysis

[toxic wigeon]

Hahahaha

[pale quartz]

you'd have huge power draw issues with 2 of those monitors

[toxic wigeon]

Oh shit I didn't even check that.

I'm so used to not thinking about that.

[pale quartz]

not the monitor itself but the graphics card

once you enter ultra huge monitor territory because the bandwidth requirements are so high idle will be higher, 2 of those will easily be about 50w combined

[toxic wigeon]

Oh that's true.

Yeah.

I don't plan on getting this anytime soon.

I may never. But it's a super fun early theoriticial idea.

[pale quartz]

Lovelace essentially fixed the large idle problem, it's more prolific on older generations and Radeon cards

[toxic wigeon]

Really just a matter of being built up around it.

Actually I do need your opinion. What's the best budget card right now? @pale quartz

I was thinking the 3060ti but I wonder what else.

[pale quartz]

uhhh depends

[toxic wigeon]

1080p.

[pale quartz]

4060ti

[toxic wigeon]

When I upgrade this December to the 9800x3d I'm gonna give my sister my old motherboard and she can't exactly use a gtx 770 4 gig with it LOL.

Oooo

[pale quartz]

4060ti for sure then

frame gen with DLSS and 16gb of vram, will be more than enough for any 1080p game

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah exactly.

She doesn't need power but she needs a card that's good with my CPU.

If that makes sense.

[pale quartz]

yeah it'll be fine for it

[toxic wigeon]

Graphics card.

[pale quartz]

welcome to the pc market

always look second hand for that class of card

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah for sure she'll be looking at second hand cards.

300 is really good.

But the title a bit err

Yeah ahah

[pale quartz]

Radeon is a no go option for 1080p and ampere cards can't practically be justified imo with the feature difference

with the 4060ti she'll get nvenc AV1 for streaming and frame generation, world of a difference

[toxic wigeon]

Shame too because I really like amd for their vram.

[pale quartz]

they can't record 1080p videos correctly so there you go

about where Radeon are nowadays

fsr is also garbage at 1080p compared to dlss

[storm osprey]

man you guys get screwed on prices. 4060 ti was 300 bucks a couple of weeks ago here

[molten coral]

aussie dollars tho

[livid nymph]

If you want an excellent computer building experience, use chat GPT. I'm not even fucking around. I picked every component and had it walk me through construction. It was easier than scouring the internet looking for advice

and I heart this thing now

[pale quartz]

not a good idea lol

[livid nymph]

That's fine. The thing 3 feet in front of me disagrees, but you've got your perspective I guess.

[pale quartz]

no i mean it cant give you accurate guidance for personalisation

[livid nymph]

It can give me suggestions and I can decide yes or no

[pale quartz]

its just an LLM, it has no concept or understanding of what a end user requires, the suggestions you will be given are just generic in nature

[livid nymph]

and I'm not a weeb or a 14 year old girl, it's a computer. it is black and white.

[pale quartz]

..?

[livid nymph]

as far as personalization goes

maybe I need to find an example so this makes a little more sense..

[pale quartz]

for example

[digital hill]

Damn $446 usd dollar

[pale quartz]

this information is way out of date lol

[digital hill]

How high is inflation in australia @toxic wigeon

us dollars my bad

[pale quartz]

it doesnt know anything about current trends and its bad if you are seeking guidance on relevant pc parts

[livid nymph]

it knows what parts are compatible, I can look at reviews

you're right, my computer is a fucking dumpster fire

i've brought shame to my dojo

[pale quartz]

im not saying your pc is bad

im saying its not correct to say it is good for providing pc specific part recommendations

[livid nymph]

With all due respect, Deco. Subjective reviews from users are about as meaningful as an AI's summary of them

[pale quartz]

uh?

what

[livid nymph]

You're telling me to research to see what people say about items. Those reviews are subjective, are they not.

[pale quartz]

no

[livid nymph]

Your opinion of a card is objective? what?

[pale quartz]

you have objective reviewers of hardware like hardware unboxed, gamers nexus and others, its not an opinion

they do actual benchmarking

[livid nymph]

you do know chat gpt 4o can actively use search engines and it looks at review websites, right?

[pale quartz]

and youre still wrong about that lol, because its blocked by the vast majority of websites

it doesnt use search engines either

the only search engine it uses is bing

[livid nymph]

Holy shit you're stupid. You're just fucking moving the goal posts to avoid being wrong, and it's obnoxious.

[pale quartz]

uh?

[livid nymph]

Good bye

[pale quartz]

my guy if you did 2 seconds of looking you would know that the GPU chatgpt recommended in that isnt enough for modern titles with vram requirements

if you want to be lazy thats fine but dont go on and say its some god like thing when it has no conception about what its talking about

[modern gull]

How much? Also getting new parts tomorrow 👀 Now i just need to be patient for the 50 series

[willow schooner]

Lol, who would buy a 3060ti now

[pale quartz]

12GB is more or less the minimum now

[pale quartz]

according to that guy you should cause ChatGPT says so

[modern gull]

It said 3060ti for 1080p?

[willow schooner]

I don't like those tiers of gpus, but theres no reason to buy a 3060ti 12gb,when you can get a newer 4060ti with 16gbs

[pale quartz]

exactly

[willow schooner]

For probably cheaper

And which will use less power, requiring less of a powerful psu

[pale quartz]

someone buying a 3060ti is going to be very disappointed when their textures look like ass in any new game

[modern gull]

For 1080p that should be ok

[pale quartz]

1080p 11GB, about there

[willow schooner]

Even horizon forbidden west stutters like crazy with high textures on 8gb cards.

[pale quartz]

yeah essentially

going to get infinitely worse once games migrate over to UE5.4 aswell

[modern gull]

Damn even 16gb at 1080p, games going crazy

[pale quartz]

yep

Alan wake etc are all similar aswell

[modern gull]

I am actually really suprised too see that for 1080p i didn't know it was that much

[pale quartz]

RT multiplies your memory usage big time, but it's also cause the consoles have 16GB of unified memory

[dry pike]

Here, I updated it for you

[pale quartz]

so the days of 8GB are essentially dead

[modern gull]

Maybe i should get card with more vram then specially since i am considering 1440p at one point

[modern gull]

For sure

[pale quartz]

HAHA

yeah that totally works

ddr4 memory with a DDR5 platform

actual stupidity

[modern gull]

Arent the ram pretty similar price anyway too? 🤔

[pale quartz]

yeah the only problem is you can't fit it in the motherboard lol

[midnight crypt]

it even recommended rgb

[pale quartz]

AM5 is DDR5 only

[modern gull]

Got my hands on some 6000mhz cl30 sticks

[pale quartz]

processor?

[modern gull]

about 180 usd, a bit expensive imo

[modern gull]

Went for the 7800x3d

[pale quartz]

eh you could have got cheaper memory but DDR5 is that cheap it's probably not worth it

[storm osprey]

these are extremely modern titles at high settings though, it mostly depends on what you play

im getting away with 10gb at 1440p because i mostly play esport titles at low settings

[modern gull]

I want to play max any game

[storm osprey]

rtx on too?

[modern gull]

I didnt even get too use all of my 3070 cause the damn vram

[modern gull]

Yeah probably, also DXR*

[storm osprey]

pfft dont even know those requirements

[modern gull]

Vram

[pale quartz]

first descendant is also a memory hog aswell like 10GB at 1080p with RT

[storm osprey]

yea im saying idk vram requirements for modern titles at max settings with rt on

[dry pike]

I have a pair of 6400mhz sticks. At the time it seemed like the most reasonable sweetspot that was possible and once I got rid of my defective Gigabyte motherboard that Gigabytes inept support people couldn't find any fault with they luckily run perfect. Always seem to have bad luck with memory.

[modern gull]

Vram

[storm osprey]

all of it

[round ruin]

damn 10gb while not even looking that good

[pale quartz]

if this is Ryzen the IMC only guarantees up to 6000, zen 5 has support for 6400 though

[pale quartz]

meh it's ok, not great but it's alright

DLAA support etc is pretty neat

[modern gull]

I am here hoping the 5070/5080 will have more than 16gb

[pale quartz]

just kills your performance in the process

[storm osprey]

bet 5080 comes with 16gb

[pale quartz]

they gave the 4060ti 16gb so id expect they would

[modern gull]

Funny thing i would be suprised and not suprised at the same time

[dry pike]

This is my 7900X. I know the "guarantee" but those are useless - it's all about what is realistic when it's my luck with memory 😄

[pale quartz]

fair

[storm osprey]

its basically how nvidia segments their gpus. the performance as of late usually hits higher than their vram allows

[pale quartz]

^

[modern gull]

I mean, vram starting to get really limited from the looks of it

[round ruin]

i mean you can run ddr5-7600+ on zen4 if you fiddle around and have decent memory+imc

[pale quartz]

yeah not even nvidia can rest behind it even more, so much so they literally had to a recall

[pale quartz]

not at 1:1 you cant

[modern gull]

Yeah i didnt even get to use all of my 3070

[pale quartz]

you have to 2:1 for that

[dry pike]

The 12GB vram on my 3080ti is what I dislike about it the most. Should really have come with 16GB.

[storm osprey]

hmm 4080 super has 16gb of vram.. so maybe we will get a slight bump for 5080, though id still bet 16gb

[pale quartz]

they recalled the 4080 at launch which had 12gb

so id be surprised if the 5080 has less than 16

[round ruin]

zen4 doesnt really have 1:1/1:2 anymore as far as i understand it. it all runs async. tho 2:3 is preferred from what ive heard (2ghz fabric and 3 ghz mem)

[modern gull]

Ngl would have been 🤡 release anyway

[storm osprey]

im not one for complaining about vram limitations, but if a 5080 comes with less than 16gb thats just bs

[pale quartz]

they do, 1:1 is guaranteed up to 6000, past that is 2:1 since the fclk is decoupled, you are always going to get worse when you enter 2:1 territory unless you can hit like 8000 because of the IF

since it's vcache latency is way more important than actual bandwidth

cache misses are critical

[dry pike]

It's Nvidia, I would not be surprised if they released a 5085 with more memory if they could earn lots of money from it.

[round ruin]

sure

[modern gull]

5080 super or ti or something

[pale quartz]

often why you have sudden tanking of performance randomly and your 0.1% lows crash

2:1 is useful if you have a clock gen on your board but those are few and far between

eclk premium is absurd

[round ruin]

yep

[pale quartz]

not even x670e boards have it until the 600 territory without other compromises it's crazy

[round ruin]

but given how much they charge you for a postcode display it shouldnt surprise anyone

[pale quartz]

yeah

enthusiast premium

[round ruin]

sadly

[digital hill]

You know nvidia wouldn't dare because ram cost money and they'll still force games to use 8gb

vram

[pale quartz]

NV use texture compression but the problem is someone buying a Blackwell card and crashing when they enable DLSS and RT is a big issue

[dry pike]

oh, the 5085 would cost vastly more, too much, ofc.

[pale quartz]

so they caused their own situation

[digital hill]

ah the 5085, also I already have a photo of the 50 series

The rare image of the nvidia 5000 series

[round ruin]

does nvidias memory compression really help that much?

from what ive seen that only reduces usage by roughly 500mb-1gb in most games

[digital hill]

Yes, it odes

remember nvidia is more towards 8gb right now

[pale quartz]

well, put it this way

if it wasnt you would have users on 1050tis complaining why they are getting out of video errors

essentially it's the best in terms of what there is with competitors (Radeon), the problem is testing it is highly variable on the card itself

the amount it downscales it significantly less with say a 4090 compared to a 3060 etc

which is, what it's supposed to do, so in that regard it's a pretty decent, but not so much for budget users

[round ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AcoBZplBs ^^

[pale quartz]

I can't stand TYC but yeah essentially the problem is testing it per game will produce different results

and using different cards will also produce different results

so it's a chicken and egg situation

if you switch on say DLSS and then RT that's another factor where logic goes out the window

then you have.. DLAA, ray reconstruction, and 50 other massive VRAM things which will change (that) result

even the quality of what you're using for DLSS upscaling will influence it

[round ruin]

can you send me an article on it?

[pale quartz]

https://developer.nvidia.com/astc-texture-compression-for-game-assets

[round ruin]

thx

[pale quartz]

relevant section is near the bottom if you don't want to read through the entirety

the tldr is it's not one form of compression algorithm, but a scalable one which changes depending on how much VRAM is free on the card itself at one time (for example if it's using texture streaming etc)

that specifically is up to the developer themselves but, same idea

[round ruin]

i know that. i just thought this would need to be implemented by devs on the software side

like astc in this article.

[pale quartz]

nah, that's the magic of it, it's implemented in the driver itself, so all the developer has to do is use whatever framework e.g. dx12 or whatever to use it

and it's more or less handled automatically

they can choose to use their own specific one if they want, which is why when you change game that becomes a problem

[round ruin]

whats the advantage of nvidia then? because astc is supported by basically everyone

[willow schooner]

Only intel supports hardware ASTC decode

And only on their iGPUs

[round ruin]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Gen12.5-No-ASTC

do they?

[willow schooner]

On iGPUs, yes.

[pale quartz]

^

[round ruin]

fair enough

[toxic wigeon]

My bad guys I found a better ultrawide.

[digital hill]

Do you have a desk that can support it

you know how, todays desk are

I wonder, did they ever make an ultrawide crt for pc

[willow schooner]

LAN party ready! ™️

[pastel field]

3070 to 4080 good upgrade?

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah there's a good boost in power.

[pale quartz]

about a 55% increase in performance

50-60% depending on the game

[pastel field]

Thanks Deco

I guess a bit overkill for a future battlefield game in 1440p?

I haven't bought it yet btw

[pale quartz]

not particularly

decent chance a 4090 for the next game will be considered "high tier" rather than overkill by the time the next game launches, 4080 will also drop its classification by then

[pastel field]

Ouch

I guess a 4080 will suffice more than enough for me

[pale quartz]

more or less ye

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-QUARSh5Ss

wow a chinese company has terrible customer service, now please tell me something new Louis

well taiwanese but doesn't matter

[coarse nimbus]

Oooh what he said

[molten flame]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-sad-spongebob-social-credit-spongebob-gif-23296107

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reportedly-preparing-sub-100-athlon-ryzen-3-cpus-for-am5-platform

Athlon and Ryzen 3 lineup based on Zen 4, CPUs in the $70-100 range

AM5 now even cheaper to adopt

I would steer people from buying B550 + 5700X/5800X3D right now and buy B650 + R5 7600 or upcoming R3 7300 instead

RTX 5070 and 5080 gonna be disappointing unless they can keep price equal or lower than 4000 series

5000 series might as well be a refresh unless you're talking about the 5090

[digital hill]

Also I heard there cpu have an igpu pretty powerful near a gtx 1070

[molten flame]

Strix Halo is the name, has more iGPU compute units than PS5, also newer generation and better ray-tracing accelerators

Memory bandwidth limitation won’t let it perform at GTX 1070 level imo

[digital hill]

What you mean, it is ddr5

[molten flame]

If they could find a way to pair it with GDDR6, it could be faster than RTX 4060

But LPDDR5x-8000 is weak compared to memory that dedicated GPUs use

[digital hill]

Ah ok

Still though impressive to be pretty near the gtx 1070

[molten flame]

Intel is very likely to overtake AMD in the APU/iGPU market within the next year since AMD doesn’t want to innovate and sticks with slow ass DDR5/LDDR5 instead of using HBM or a big cache

[digital hill]

What you mean intel is going ddr6?

[molten flame]

No Intel uses HBM as a cache for iGPU

If CPU performance were a foot race, extra cache is like giving one of the CPUs a car while the other one remains on foot

Cache makes CPUs with memory limitations faster

[modern gull]

If that's the case then i waited for nothing Well, depends on performance as well

Should add 18/20gb vram too

[digital hill]

Also make it even bigger

and heavier

Make sure you have to buy a new case to use such a gpu

[modern gull]

4080 is like the size of xbox s 😂

Can't imagine the 5080 and smaller

[uncut quarry]

can anyone help me find a certain setting that increases my audio volume?

[pale quartz]

in windows this is located under volume mixer, alternatively your output sounds for devices will have it's audio lowered

[prime jasper]

Sony wh1000xm5

[mild aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[prime jasper]

?

[mild aspen]

It's good when it's compared to the Bose headphones.

Otherwise, it's meh.

[prime jasper]

I should mention that would be with EQ

It has too much bass without

If you don't use EQ probably the Audeze Maxwell are the best

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9000-zen5-eldora-ccd-to-have-27-higher-transistor-density-over-predecessor

TSMC 4nm N4P

[warm saffron]

bois

I need some help

ea launcher is fucked and I am unable to start any ea game including battlefield ofc, I am stuck at the "preparing game" screen. Tried everything I could think of and still same shit happening anyone knows what could be the issue?

[turbid verge]

hell nah

[turbid verge]

whats your purpose and budget?

and if you want in ear or just regular headphones open or close back?

and what is really your focus of use

[prime jasper]

Read context

[turbid verge]

I did read lol

he literally said he owns the sennheiser 650

[prime jasper]

Those aren't wireless over ears

[turbid verge]

wireless no

but when someone says they own such headphones they're used of good audio quality

not sony's mid tier sound quality

[mild aspen]

Sound accuracy and sound stage.

$400.

[turbid verge]

hummm

you want over ear right?

and wireless

[prime jasper]

Sony wh1000xm5 with eq is not mid tier, its the best closed back you can get

[turbid verge]

its not even good

[mild aspen]

Hypothetical if I was in the market. I already have my dream overear headphones.

[turbid verge]

HD 650 are solid boys

with the right adjustment

[mild aspen]

I have AKG K701.

[turbid verge]

I have the HD 600 and boy they are good

love them

[mild aspen]

Best mid-tier sound stage is the K701.

[turbid verge]

but wireless these days is hard

K701 is solid as well

[prime jasper]

They are

[mild aspen]

I use my airpods and airpods pro for wireless. They're amazing for that.

[prime jasper]

With EQ

[turbid verge]

I have the airpods pro 2. They're solid. But I still hands down say the buds 2 pro were the best true wireless audio I tried so far

[prime jasper]

There are headphones that take to EQ better than others, XM5 is one of those. With EQ they are top tier

[turbid verge]

but thats earbuds

[mild aspen]

What manufacturer?

[turbid verge]

samsung. But lemme check something

[prime jasper]

I wouldn't recommend iems

[turbid verge]

iem lands are another story

but over ear wireless headphones

[prime jasper]

Bass sucks and tonal balance is too inconsistent with iems, along with the imaging/soundstage being poor

[turbid verge]

lemme check prices first

[turbid verge]

Then I wonder why musicians use it the most on stage

[prime jasper]

Isolation

[turbid verge]

sure lmao

Iems lands are complete different story compared to headphones

@mild aspen I know you have open back because the 650 are

[mild aspen]

I have IEMs that I never use.

[turbid verge]

but maybe for your budgets

Hifiman Deva maybe?

[mild aspen]

I'm not in the market right now. It's hypothetical.

[turbid verge]

also maybe the Audio-Technica ATH-WB2022

[mild aspen]

I have these babies

[turbid verge]

moondrop starfield

those are solid

[mild aspen]

I am waiting for Fiio to re-release their IEM wireless adapters.

[turbid verge]

yeh you got that option

Iam not a fan of it because they look weird

but I use IEM's at work

and I got a pair of IE 200 atm with aftermarket cable and tips for comfort

and they do a solid job. Not an aggressive bass and I manage to configure stuff on linux to balance a bit

but the big plus is the fact they sit well on the year and I can be like 5-6 hours straight with them on

[mild aspen]

My IEMs are just uncomfortable. I use the wired earbuds at my desk.

From Apple.

[turbid verge]

at home I use my HD 600

[mild aspen]

I used to use my AKG K701 at home a lot, but I read and use my iPad a lot, so they slide down my head when I look down.

[prime jasper]

good choice

[turbid verge]

thing is wireless headphones I still admit most arent really interesting

unless you want something with anc, most for sound work are imo ASS

but like I said its mostly down to the purpose itself

my issue with the buds 2 pro were the fact they wouldnt sit on my ear and would tend to fall off. Traded them for the airpods pro 2 on teh sacrifice of audio quality

but they airpods pro 2 site well on the ear and have a much better anc too

thats an example. Yet I still say the best true wireless earbuds I tried in terms of audio quality are teh samsung buds 2 pro (I guess thats becasue AKG was involved).

[molten flame]

I like Linsoul earbuds

[prime jasper]

Linsoul isnt a brand

They're a retailer

[turbid verge]

@mild aspen but if you dont care about active noise cancelation and shit like that

Sennheiser Momentum 4 wireless or Audio-Technica ATH-WB2022 the my personal opinion

on my quick thought of sound and stage sound

[prime jasper]

Momentum 4 are terrible

[molten flame]

ah guess the brand is TIN HiFi

but I don't see any other products that store sells besides those earbuds

[turbid verge]

imo I dont think they're terrible. The only issue is the ANC. Thing about headphones most people forget or dont even know its down to the user

recommendations are nearly something maybe close of what they're looking for, not something you should straight up advice and then you get disappointed after purschase such thing

[prime jasper]

Go to the brands section on the website they have a bunch of others

[turbid verge]

usually its also a trial and error type of purschase since again, its down to you own ear and we dont have the same hearing

I tend to slip from sony because Iam just not a fun of their audio signature per experiencie

but people at my work like it, can't judge that

[prime jasper]

Your own hearing doesnt matter that much

HD600 is a top tier choice for anyone

[turbid verge]

its technically your taste in audio

fuck you on

[prime jasper]

No such thing

There's the best and shades away from that

[turbid verge]

yeh but the HD 600 out of the box for me I dont like it. Only post tunning I do

[prime jasper]

Let me guess not enough bass and slightly too little treble?

[turbid verge]

hum bass wise I didnt even increased much. only played a bit on the treble

like I said I did it to my liking

[prime jasper]

And i bet you increased the bass and treble

Like everyone else

[turbid verge]

nope

but I will always say this and defend that audio is like food

its down to your own taste

[prime jasper]

So what did you do

Show me

[prime jasper]

The music is the food

The headphones are your toothpaste

[mild aspen]

I only care about noise cancellation when I'm outside.

[turbid verge]

yeh on that case is hard. The wireless market is weird. Imo I would stick with the airpods pro 2 for that kind of case. Although you might want to have explore some options.

I dont know about the samsung buds 3 pro. Did read some reviews people liked the audio quality and said the ANC was good too. I dont know I havent tried

[mild aspen]

Yeah, I am fine with the airpods pro.

[turbid verge]

and thats something I strongly disagree with. But you do you chief.

I wont judge opinions

thing is I can't use audio to judge something that is human and different of taste to each individual

[toxic wigeon]

Honestly I still remember hearing meaty bass for the first time getting my first serious pair of headphones.

But since then headsets have pretty much been the same.

[turbid verge]

because if you tell me music is my food. And I enjoy a shit ton of genres of music. Which I do

vs someone who only like idk EDM

[toxic wigeon]

The audiophile industry is really weird cause it's either you don't notice or there are people who can identify the tiniest things.

[prime jasper]

No such thing as taste

Well there is but not to the degree you think

[turbid verge]

Oh there is

I know people who love bass

[prime jasper]

The taste comes with how much bass you want

[turbid verge]

tons of fucking bass

I dont tbh

[prime jasper]

There is still 90% objective

[toxic wigeon]

I love bass to shit but I know my mate who doesn't. That is taste.

[turbid verge]

so you just counter your own argument by saying its a matter of fact human taste and not general

thanks

end of conversation

[toxic wigeon]

Was gonna say.

[prime jasper]

Hd600 is the best headphone regardless

You can just EQ more bass if you want

[turbid verge]

its not about being the best or not

[prime jasper]

Because audio is objective

[turbid verge]

and no the HD 600 arent the best

there's always better

[prime jasper]

Second best to Audeze LCD-5

Which are $5k

[turbid verge]

for me its the most enjoyable to use at the price range I bought them

but I think you dont even understand the point

[turbid verge]

ok nice try troll

[prime jasper]

Okay whats the point

[prime jasper]

Not a troll

I've researched audio for close to a year now

[turbid verge]

yes thanks. Thing is I can't always rely on reviews or whatever you read online. Most of the audiophiles is their own judgment and for a grant something for you might sound not how they describe

like someone can describe what is like tasting of an apple but then you try it and might not taste how they told you it did

same thing literally with audio

[toxic wigeon]

I could describe my own headphones as really good considering what they do but it doesn't tell you much at all because I'm not deep into that industry

In agreeance to what you said about reviews.

[turbid verge]

thing I learn about the audiophile thing is the amount of biased towards certain products

and literally I trust nothing

[toxic wigeon]

Oh yeah

Funny enough.

[turbid verge]

and again I didnt buy teh HD 600 because they're really good and praise, its because of budget I had vs what I was looking for

[prime jasper]

Just learn to read frequency response graphs

[turbid verge]

they landed to be the best pick

[toxic wigeon]

In all the time I've used wireless earplug phones. I will confidently say the beats are the one of the best ones there.

But purely because I speak from hey the quality of these and comfort of these earphones are massive step up.

Plus they double as fridge magnets!

[turbid verge]

Now learn about audio drivers, the software/hardware filtering. what a DAC and also eletrical noise

maybe you gonna enjoy how deep the audiophile crused stuff goes towards

[prime jasper]

None of that matters

Just get an audibly transparent dac/amp

[turbid verge]

for audiophiles do

and Iam not even joking

[prime jasper]

The drivers quality is visible in the frequency response graph

[turbid verge]

and the different of fully analog sound filtering vs digital

[prime jasper]

There is no difference

Digital is rated slightly higher in blind tests

[turbid verge]

Iam pretty sure you never studied eletronics lol

[prime jasper]

I dont need to

[turbid verge]

please dont say you're talking about the harman target graph

please dont say its that

[prime jasper]

The frequency response of the headphone

[turbid verge]

that doesnt matter

[prime jasper]

Lol

[turbid verge]

and again humans have different frequency range they listen to

frequency ranges do vary from human to human

[prime jasper]

Read up on some Sean olive papers or Axel grell lectures or Oratory1990 comments

[turbid verge]

No

[prime jasper]

The best audio researchers and engineers in the world disagree with you

The guy who made your headphones the HD600 disagrees with you

[turbid verge]

Iam not even talking about headphones or sound engineering

human earing is variable

[prime jasper]

You said frequency response doesnt matter

[prime jasper]

Up to 3 kHz its not

[turbid verge]

its proven that the older you get the less you hear

[prime jasper]

And it gets progressively more variable past that point

[turbid verge]

or less frequency ranges

[prime jasper]

You can just increase the treble then

Not hard

[turbid verge]

my guy

if your brain can't even decode a frequency of sound you can't hear

[prime jasper]

What

[turbid verge]

I dont even know but I start to think you're 100% a troll

[prime jasper]

You're showing a linear decrease in treble across each 20 years of age

Which can easily be remedied with a simple high shelf

That you may not even want because the sound engineers themselves might have the same amount of hearing loss

[turbid verge]

yeh you're a troll

[prime jasper]

Sure dude

[turbid verge]

you dont even understand the natural ear and ear drum has its own limitations and degrades over time

[prime jasper]

The lead sennheiser audio engineer is a troll too i suppose

Along with the president of the audio engineering society

[molten flame]

genetics play the biggest role in any of your 5 senses

[turbid verge]

no, the lead sennheiser audio engineer makes and tunes a product for a type of audio enjoyers

[prime jasper]

Stop

You already conceded your earlier argument with that

You said frequency response does not matter now you're saying they tune it for a specific person

Which is not true either, because everyone loves the HD600

[turbid verge]

ok, I recorded that you're a troll and Iam going ahead not keep going with this bait

[prime jasper]

All the top researchers and engineers are trolls except for JusticeJoker

You're just too smart

[turbid verge]

But if you wanna know the best headphones out there by general public and audiophiles are the Sennheiser HE-1.

just saying

[prime jasper]

I can pull up countless threads of people saying the He-1 is mediocre and the HD600 series beats it

Which is true

The he-1 is tuned to excite listeners at the listening booth