technology

[pale quartz]

you need to manually force windows to assign to high performance in the settings to stop it happening

[molten flame]

high performance power setting probably gonna increase idle wattage even more on Ryzen

I'm gonna keep my 5800X3D for a while because I don't buy high-end GPUs, my next upgrade is probably RTX 4070

after a GPU upgrade I might get a Lunar lake laptop

[pale quartz]

you're GPU bound as is so swapping out the 5800x3d doesn't make any sense anyways

[molten flame]

imagine if I got 9800X3D while still having RX 6600

even after I get a 4070 or 4070 Super, I still have no reason to upgrade CPU

[lost cargo]

I saw that. Only 2 laptops and razer blade 18 is one of them

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/noctua-launches-150-nh-d15-g2-flagship-next-gen-cpu-cooler

overpriced

[ivory creek]

ye i bought my nh-d15 for like 75euro or something back in the day. 150 is too much

[molten flame]

meanwhile thermalright has a 360mm AIO for $60

[mystic flax]

Ooh nevermind I thought my case was delayed, nah I'm still getting it in July, other people are getting it in August

Probably thanks to preordering it right when it was available to preorder

[ivory creek]

i kinda want this case cuz it looks so good but i already have another fractal design without any problems so it feels like a waste

[mystic flax]

That looks fucking dope. Nothing outrageous, just simple and vintage like design

[ivory creek]

ye fractal north looks really clean

[mystic flax]

Can't wait to get this bad boy

[ivory creek]

sweet

is that a display on it?

[mystic flax]

Yes

[ivory creek]

nice

cant be cheap tho

[mystic flax]

This is also a very high in demand case. And yeah it wasn't cheap

379.99 + tax

[lost cargo]

https://x.com/dexerto/status/1807851672149938455?s=46

Dexerto (@Dexerto) on X

World record 420,000,000 Mbps internet speed was hit in Japan

It’s fast enough to download Baldur’s Gate 3 in under 4 milliseconds

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 7:00 PM

[toxic wigeon]

That's a really cute case.

I was planning on getting one but my current case is still good.

[storm osprey]

just saw this, frickin insane

[mystic flax]

Might be insanely shit. That's not a quality price

Anything far under 100 for a AIO is a eyebrow raiser especially if it has a 360mm

[storm osprey]

the only concern is long term

[mystic flax]

Is Arctic liquid freezer III 420 on there or no

[storm osprey]

3rd from top

[mystic flax]

That's the II version

I have the III version

Bruh how old is that list

[storm osprey]

maybe GN just didnt do a 420 test

[mystic flax]

It's like it doesn't exist

They acknowledged the 360 and the 280 but never the 420

The 420 is supposed to be a better version

[storm osprey]

bigger number = better

[mystic flax]

When you have 3 versions a 280, 360, and 420.

Plus they advertised it to be a powerful alternative

[storm osprey]

i dont think anyone has a NEED for 420, let alone the room for it

i think GN figures they dont need to do a review for a niche product

[molten flame]

I need 420mm for gamer reasons

[mystic flax]

Yeah but I'm that person. With the big case.

[storm osprey]

i mean, id argue that you dont even need that big case, let alone 420 aio for a 7800x3d

[mystic flax]

But it's got a touch screen

Also like why not get it. Why not make a premium monster of a PC that most/some people here would only dream of having.

Why not go overkill

[brave sundial]

7950X3D is still lower? Thought through updates it was near 7800X3D now.

I guess the way the 7800X3D is configured hardware wise still makes it better for gaming, huh.

[storm osprey]

no one is saying not to, just that scenario is niche and likely the reason GN hasnt tested it, the market for it is extremely small

[storm osprey]

16gb of ram on its way out, well at least at 1440p max settings on 1/3 of the titles

https://youtu.be/mklCPWNyJC0?si=lpAkUnv_awS8-aaB

[dry pike]

Sure, but how much memory do I need if I want to dual-box Hogwarts Legacy while rendering 4k video and having every RGB software under the sun?

[unreal void]

Download some

Pretty cheap

[storm osprey]

while streaming and having 10 chrome tabs open? shiiiittt idk

[brave sundial]

Cities Skylines II is misleading. That's with stock

no one plays the game without any mods

64 would be good if you want a heavily modded cities skylines game while being able to have other stuff in the background/ another monitor too I suppose.

[quick locust]

420? Entry level

Clearly need those 1080 external rads

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-fire-elmo-anarchy-blues-gif-25903479

[tawny mauve]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BLiBoBsLons?si=68e3jHfMhh6jqsGg

Users call this lazy, when innovations are meant to make life easier

[lost cargo]

That’s def called lazy

[tawny mauve]

So innovations are laziness

[lost cargo]

50/50

[molten flame]

I’m hoping RTX 5080 uses same chip as 5090 but just cut-down to 320-but with 20GB vram

If it uses 256-bit again like 4080 then there is no point of it existing

It would be the worst side-grade since the 6500XT

[quick locust]

Just buy 5090

[molten flame]

[modern gull]

Anyone know if GT/s and Gb/s pretty much is the same? 🤔

[pale quartz]

different things

Gbps is the effective data rate of PCIe, GT/s is the raw measure

[modern gull]

Well, i mean if example 100 gt/s would be same value as 100 gb/s

[pale quartz]

no

[modern gull]

I see 🤔

Ty ty

[pale quartz]

*np

[modern gull]

lol

I saw that

[pale quartz]

autocorrect be a bitch sometimes

[modern gull]

It's confusing these new ways of meassuring stuff. I have seen it with ram too like 6000 mt/s, i just assume that means 6000mhz 🤷

[pale quartz]

yes that does

GT/s and Gbps are different forms of measurement for encoding data, mt/s and mhz is just a different form of representation

[modern gull]

Checking out the 40 series gpus they measure speed in gb/s

[modern gull]

Fair enough

Been also comparing pcie 4 max speeds too the 40 series which is easier if it says memory speed in gb/s

Maybe 50 series would need pcie 5 to fully spread it's wings 😛 40 series pretty close to pcie 4 max already

Will probably upgrade soon so i am thinking if pcie 4 will survive more than this generation of nvidia gpu, i have a feeling i might need to get pcie 5 board

[tawny mauve]

https://x.com/bogorad222/status/1808805803450609786

Timur222 (@bogorad222) on X

The PlayStation 4 helped AMD to avoid bankruptcy

Twitter · Jul 4, 2024, 10:11 AM

https://x.com/bogorad222/status/1808805920769527979

Timur222 (@bogorad222) on X

source:https://t.co/HQcnc1CtlC

Twitter · Jul 4, 2024, 10:11 AM

[pale quartz]

was already known lol

[pale quartz]

it's not required, games aren't PCIe bound currently even on a 4090, Blackwell if it supports it or not wont change that

with that being said you could sort of get x670 for PCIe 5 and other ones relatively cost effective if you're wanting it anyways

[modern gull]

I see, i see. How about cuda workloads?

[modern gull]

From my understanding that is only pcie 5 on m.2, the x670e has on 16x also

[pale quartz]

no it has it on the first slot aswell as the nvme

[modern gull]

Also how you know i was going amd cpu next?

🤔

[pale quartz]

x670e is PCIe 5 on all slots

[modern gull]

🤷

[pale quartz]

where are you reading that from? it's definitely not right

[modern gull]

2 sec

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-x870e-vs-x870-vs-x670e-vs-x670-vs-b650e-vs-b650/#X870E_vs_X870

So from what i understand i need x670e for pcie 5.0 x16 🤷

[pale quartz]

oh sorry, if you mean x16 yes this is needed

some boards support bifurcation but explicit x16 is x670e only

[modern gull]

No worries at all 😛 i see

[pale quartz]

PCIe 5 is essentially not required even for CUDA unless you're doing high volume I/O tasks, there is a case for it if you're needing some sort of mass data transfer but there's going to be little difference for Blackwell otherwise

almost no workloads I can think of are going to bound by PCIe, since you've got CLI on cards you can double your effective bandwidth even in that niche situation

[modern gull]

Oooooohhh 🤔

I mean i guess it can't hurt to spend 20-30 dollar more for pcie 5 x16 anyway

From my understanding it will be 20-30 dollar out the window, kind of

[pale quartz]

there are cons, not the ones you're probably thinking of other than price, x670e since it's a dual chipset platform has higher idle draw than other platforms to support it, but if you don't mind that then you may aswell

you can alternatively wait a few months for the next boards to launch very soon which will have pcie 5 support aswell

[modern gull]

It's comming in 2024? 🤔

[pale quartz]

second half but coming this year

not long after zen 5

there's a slight catch in that they are not launching before zen 5 comes out so if you want that then you'll need x670e

[modern gull]

I see, i see. Thing is i am considering upgrading my cpu, motherboard and ram before gpu and just wait for rtx 50 series. Also pcie 5 is like double the speed soo massive amount of headroom for future gpus

[modern gull]

There might be a high chance it will be x670e rather than waiting

[pale quartz]

it's not necessarily a bad idea, depends what processor you're targeting

[modern gull]

Since i also want to do some gaming the double ccd cpus have some problems in gaming from my understanding. I am pretty new on amd cpu's so learning 😛 Was thinking the 7800x3d, its faster than what i have and should be good for many years. Also i don't require too much cpu power at this time, even though it wouldn't hurt with the 4 extra cores from 7900x3d in few cases. But ehhh double ccd

[pale quartz]

avoid the 7900x3d at all costs, it is a gimped processor, the 7950x3d is fine but yes it can have issues, generally just get the 7800x3d

the cores aren't what you'd expect in that they aren't actually 4 extra due to the way the scheduling works

[modern gull]

Yeah seems like best choice tbh

[modern gull]

I see 🤔

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-7800X3D-vs-Intel-Core-i9-9900K/m2081998vs4028

[pale quartz]

yeah don't use that website

[modern gull]

🤔

[pale quartz]

they are a propagandist for intel, one of the least reliable on the internet

[modern gull]

Oh 🤔

You know another site?

Acording to the site it has up to 40% faster speed over my current cpu

[pale quartz]

you've got plenty, TPU by hardware unboxed or toms hardware etc are all fine

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

[modern gull]

Oh yeah like videos

Ahhh ty

They arent comparing with older cpu though, so can be a bit hard getting and estimate on the diffrence

[pale quartz]

it isn't commonly known but Steve was actually a writer before he started the channel https://www.techspot.com/, he posts all his videos in article form here when doing reviews

[modern gull]

I see, i see

[pale quartz]

you're almost never going to get a direct translation to your exact processor depending on how old it is, if it's a old intel processor the ipc translation is often linear though

it can very easily be say 60% or higher

[modern gull]

Userbenchmark i feel gives and ok idea. At least it can't be slower for creative workloads but faster, its super fast in gaming for sure i have checked some videos

[pale quartz]

never use that website they have a "benchmark algorithm" which is engineered to favour intel processors, it's not accurate

[modern gull]

Even with the bias. In my case cpu upgrade mostly for gaming aspect of it rather than more cpu power, so gaming aspect of it is easier to get an idea from videos

[pale quartz]

alternatively read their reviews of Ryzen processors

[modern gull]

I have seen the 7800x3d do well with 4090 at 1080p

[pale quartz]

it will do well regardless of the resolution

most games just love cache to some degree and they always have, it just has an insane amount so it warps everything around it, the same happened with the 5800x3d

the IF on Ryzen means cache is much more influential to performance than on intel

[modern gull]

Yeah from what i understand the cache helps boost performance in gaming

[pale quartz]

what it's actually doing is masking the sensitivity Ryzen has to memory performance, once it's overloaded with enough cache the dram influence goes away because games don't need to transfer to it, but same idea regardless

it's why on the non x3d skus performance differs by margins of 20% dependent on the memory kit

[toxic wigeon]

Man poor 7900x3d.

[pale quartz]

it shouldnt have existed as a processor at all but they need a way to fill the number part so oh well

[toxic wigeon]

I feel like the only reason why it exists is if you have the money but not just enough for the 950x

You know

[pale quartz]

yes that's why it's there, but they couldn't have a 12 core configuration in a non gimped way, it's essentially impossible

[toxic wigeon]

You reckon they could do 10 cores on a single CCD?

[pale quartz]

12, no, ccxs go up to 8, going past it isn't workable

[toxic wigeon]

Shame.

[pale quartz]

it becomes a diminishing effect the more you pack into one anyways is the main problem

once you hit 10 the effect mostly levels off

[modern gull]

I see 🤔

[toxic wigeon]

Oh for sure but I was thinking eventually as things utilise more cores what's the most efficient and it's like separate ccds make things annoying as hell.

I believe that's what hurts the 7900.

[pale quartz]

nah, doesn't work that way

the 7900 is hurt, specifically, because it is a 6 ccx vcache config

which is less than the 7800x3d

it's 6 vcache 6 normal and when games schedule to the cache 90% of the time it becomes a 7600x3d in all but name

even with multithreading it's going to be a diminished effect

[modern gull]

How stable is the 7000 series cpus? Like with intel i never had any blue screen or freeze unless i overclock

[pale quartz]

you will if you buy a 14th gen processor

[modern gull]

Interesting 🤔

[pale quartz]

zen 4 is fine for stability

[pale quartz]

13/14th have had massive degradation issues which is causing processors to fry and games to crash because intel allowed board vendors to use unlocked power limits by default

[modern gull]

So from my understand 7800x3d should be ok all in all?

[pale quartz]

yes, very

[toxic wigeon]

That reminds me. Wasn't the 5600x3d just spare, crap 5800x3ds?

[modern gull]

I see

[modern gull]

Oh thats not good 🤔

[pale quartz]

yes, it's a lower binned 5800x3d, as is most other configs

[toxic wigeon]

As in I remember seeing some wording that they were x3ds that had bad cores and such weren't used.

[pale quartz]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-issues-official-statement-on-core-k-series-crashes-stick-to-intels-official-power-profiles

[toxic wigeon]

The 5600x3d is such a cool little CPU.

[pale quartz]

it's been a entire mess that's not fully resolved, but oh well

[toxic wigeon]

It isn't the most powerful for obvious reasons.

But its still really good!

[toxic wigeon]

I hope gen 16 will radically reduce this shit.

I'm really looking forward to them at release.

[modern gull]

Btw thinking of memory if anyone said 8gb vram is enough for 1080p, i would say it's not

[modern gull]

Oh thanks, i'll have a read

[pale quartz]

it will, not for any specific reason, but because the profiles are enforced

[pale quartz]

generally, it's not nowadays, if you're running older games it's fine

[modern gull]

Yeah for sure. I am getting at least 16gb for my next one, that also leaves room for 1440p if i am increasing screen size

[pale quartz]

unreal engine 5 memory requirements are quite high and if you're factoring in frame generation or something else it definitely isn't enough

[toxic wigeon]

What's the name of gen 20?

[pale quartz]

turing

[modern gull]

I think also raytracing punches a big hole in vram too if i dont remember wrong 🤔

[toxic wigeon]

It actually really annoys me intel brings out a new cpu on a per year basis.

[pale quartz]

yes, massively

if you're using RT at all you're easily going to end up over

global illumination itself will draw about 2GB, if you're using ray reconstruction its higher than that

[modern gull]

Have to play low textures on fortnite last time i tried, barely enough with 8gb for that too

[modern gull]

I only got 3070, dont think that was avalible for 30 series 🤔

[pale quartz]

you will have it available, ampere supports rt

ray reconstruction is a specific new feature

[modern gull]

I mena ray reconstruction

[pale quartz]

it's not in fortnite

it's in the first descendant and a few others but nowhere near as RT itself

[modern gull]

I dont remember what dlss 3 features supported by 30 series now

[pale quartz]

the DLSS 3 stack itself doesn't work with ampere, that is frame generation, but RT features are all fully supported

[modern gull]

Ahhh i see

[pale quartz]

running well, that's another question

[modern gull]

Talking about FG i actually tried the amd one, felt like jelly imo

[pale quartz]

but yeah the days of 8gb vram and low core count processors being acceptable are going the way of the dinosaurs

[modern gull]

[pale quartz]

UE 5.4 is the big break moment for older ones specifically

[pale quartz]

it was probably fsr 2

[modern gull]

🤷 dont rember, wasnt fg released with fsr3?

[pale quartz]

yes it's in 3.1, but game support for that is very limited compared to dlss

[modern gull]

Dont say that, i almost regreting 7800x3d before i even got it

[pale quartz]

nah that'll last, a while

I mean 6 cores and under specifically

[modern gull]

I see

[modern gull]

Think i tested in forspoken demo

[pale quartz]

since intel is ditching hyperthreading multithreading and parallelism are going to become a very big deal, generally

[pale quartz]

yeah that was the base fsr 3 from memory, pretty ass with quality

fsr 3.1 included the specific upscaler improvements, it's ok, still generally nowhere near DLSS but it's fine

[modern gull]

Input lag too, not really so much artifacts as nvidia fanboys have it imo. DLSS is superior in image quality though from what i have seen. Unsure if DLSS FG has bad input lag too 🤷

fsr upscaling ok

[pale quartz]

DLSS FG where it's used has reflex integration, so it's there but minimal, FG input lag is highly dependent on your actual base framerate, which is the catch

fsr suffers, a lot at low framerates if you use fg

[modern gull]

I see

[pale quartz]

DLSS as it's hardware accelerated for frame generation is usable at low framerates (sort of) but fsr/xess (non arc) aren't so they are essentially limited by physics

[modern gull]

Fair enough

[pale quartz]

AFMF on the other hand is a garbage piece of tech that AMD never should have made but oh well

[modern gull]

I dont even know what it is

Mostly kept my eyes on intel and nvidia, so dont really know much about amd stuff

[pale quartz]

AMD fluid motion frames is what it's called, especially it's a in driver frame generation tool, the only problem is, it's terrible

think fsr 2 quality upscaling but that it turns itself off in high action situations

[modern gull]

Is that the frame generation for FS3 or is it something else?

[pale quartz]

separate

[modern gull]

Oh

[pale quartz]

FSR3 has it's own frame generation, this is in driver, fsr3 is in the game itself

[modern gull]

Ah i understand now

[pale quartz]

don't worry it's not useful remembering it anyways it's ass and will be forgotten about in little over a year anyways

almost as bad as Nvidias image upscaling feature

[modern gull]

[modern gull]

Something other than DLSS? 🤔

[pale quartz]

NIS, Nvidia image sharpener, if you open the Nvidia control panel you'll see it under 3d settings

[modern gull]

Let me have a look

[pale quartz]

a arcane piece of tech from over a decade ago essentially it's dogshit

I think it launched when Maxwell did, 2011 roughly about there

[modern gull]

I need to switch to english to see, also personally i wouldnt use image sharpener. I would assume it to generate bad sharpening effect and unplesant image to view

[pale quartz]

yes you're dead on

the only slight problem is it likes to switch itself on randomly sometimes

[toxic wigeon]

Is Nvidia physX integrated in compatible games with such cards nowadays?

[modern gull]

I barelly even use ingame sharpening to compensate for TAA blur as an example. But in many games the TAA is pretty well and creates plesant image and not overlly blurry so not necesary

[pale quartz]

no

that tech hasn't been used for over a decade

you can still use it but you won't find any games that do

[pale quartz]

DLAA to the rescue

[toxic wigeon]

I saw is mentioned on borderlands which was weird because doing some researching it's long dead like what.

Like oh does it turn on by itself or what

[pale quartz]

theres some slight games which use it to a whole like 1% effect but physx is dead in all but name

[pale quartz]

if a game uses physx it will yes

[modern gull]

I haven't tried that. I do like the blur TAA adds in many cases though, it gives smother more plesant image overall. But not if it's porly integrated and is full of ghosting, usually problematic with masked materials

[toxic wigeon]

Lemme guess. It was some random gimmick.

Oh yeah when I get my 5080 imma abuse DLAA to the fullest.

[pale quartz]

you will like DLAA significantly more, it's essentially TAA, but all the issues with it gone entirely

[modern gull]

I see, i see 🤔

[pale quartz]

it's embedded with DLSS 3.7.5+ onwards, essentially it's a machine learning form of anti aliasing

[pale quartz]

physx yes that Nvidia tried to force people to use but nobody cared, it's a bygone era of themselves

[modern gull]

DLAA was controlpannel setting right?

[pale quartz]

you won't find it in the cp

it's in driver, if you want to expose it you can use a tool like dlsstweaks to force it on globally

[toxic wigeon]

Rt annoys me because it's cool and all but it's a goddamn hog.

[modern gull]

So you dont even enable it in games it just on/off by itself? 🤷

[modern gull]

Pretty cool for sure, specially the reflections

[pale quartz]

you can do that, it's DLSS required, essentially it uses DLSS, for anti aliasing, games like the first descendant have it as a toggle

[toxic wigeon]

Rt is cool but it's a bitch to use.

[modern gull]

I see

[pale quartz]

games need to use a specific DLSS dll though to use dlaa which is why it's not on globally

[modern gull]

Ah i see, i see 🤔

[toxic wigeon]

Do you find the sharpness hurting your eyes?

[pale quartz]

don't you have a xtx

[toxic wigeon]

No.

I haven't bought a new gpu yet.

[pale quartz]

oh yeah

[toxic wigeon]

I almost bought a 4080 but I realised I wouldn't be happy.

[quick locust]

MHz is half of MT/s on DDR

[lost cargo]

I find sharpness better than no sharpness. I normally max sharpness out

[pale quartz]

just get a 4090 if you want no compromise performance

[toxic wigeon]

I'm in no rush.

[pale quartz]

yes but id prefer not going into different measurements when he's just talking about the task manager number

[quick locust]

[modern gull]

Makes the image look really bad and generally look bad quality or unplesant if overly sharpened image, basically ruins image. Battlefield 5 has built in sharpen effect degrading image quality and viewing experience, same with 2042 a while after release if i don't remember wrong but not as much. This is as and effect not as actual sharpness i am talking about.

[quick locust]

TSR also doesn't look good to me most of the time

[toxic wigeon]

I'm probably just thinking of the intensity of the colours which can hurt.

[pale quartz]

I think what you're trying to say it's is in engine

[toxic wigeon]

I remember back when bl3 was released my eyes would start to hurt after a while.

Now it doesn't hurt.

[pale quartz]

TSR is like fine if the game is actually using tsr, but finding that out itself is a maze half the time

[toxic wigeon]

I think my eye sight has degraded.

[modern gull]

I meant more as default postfx thing if you talking to me

[pale quartz]

oh yeah fair enough

[modern gull]

If i dont remember wrong the sharpening thing was not present in earlier builds of 2042 like it was in 5, but eventually they added that in 2042 as well

[pale quartz]

I just override it and use DLAA in 2042 anyways solves all problems

[modern gull]

in 2042 i intentionally use dlss performance mode

[modern gull]

I'll look into DLAA for sure

[quick locust]

I tried 2042 on a handheld, that was an experience

[pale quartz]

don't look too far as you'll end up in a labyrinth for multiple hours, the tldr is use dlsstweaks and force it on, update the dll for 2042 and then switch on DLSS and dlaa will enable itself

[modern gull]

In battlefeild 5 i remmeber if you put effects on low the forced sharpening lessened

[pale quartz]

if your performance drops DLAA is the reason, it is more heavy generally

[modern gull]

I'll look into that

[toxic wigeon]

What ultrawide do you use deco?

[modern gull]

Anyway @pale quartz thanks for all info and tips regarding upgrade

[pale quartz]

np

[pale quartz]

adwf

[quick locust]

I need a cpu and a monitor upgrade

Eventually

[toxic wigeon]

Could you link what you specifically use?

[pale quartz]

eventually in the year 2030 for you

[modern gull]

What monitor upgrade you thinking?

[pale quartz]

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/alienware-34-curved-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3423dwf/apd/210-bfrq/monitors-monitor-accessories

[toxic wigeon]

Thank you.

[quick locust]

Saving up money takes a while on 8 usd/hr wage

[pale quartz]

np

[quick locust]

Prob a 32 UW VA if I can find one decent enough

[modern gull]

Buy something that isn't priced by brand name 🤷

[pale quartz]

never a good idea for monitors specifically

[quick locust]

Also going to upgrade to ARL i guess

[modern gull]

I mean, not saying dont buy a big brand just not those who overprice

[toxic wigeon]

Oh so 34 i 4k

[quick locust]

My handheld is almost faster than my desktop cpu at this point

[modern gull]

[molten flame]

[quick locust]

Since I got a Claw for free

[molten flame]

I'm getting lunar-lake laptop or handheld which is faster than my 5800X3D

[modern gull]

Ngl i consider 4k to be over rated from here to space in many situations. I still using 1080p 27" (absolute max before needing 1440p). Even my tv only need 1440p for ideal image, or perfect

[pale quartz]

I prefer keeping above 120 frames

[quick locust]

And yeah I'll go monitor browsing around the place once I get there

[molten flame]

wonder if Battlemage can come close to 7900XT

[toxic wigeon]

I thought you went for 5440 by 1440p to be honest.

So it's wide wide

[quick locust]

Hopefully

[pale quartz]

nah lmao

[toxic wigeon]

Super wide

Not ultra

[modern gull]

What about super ultra wide? 🤔

[toxic wigeon]

GPU succ

[quick locust]

180 degree curved monitor

[modern gull]

Imagine monitor 360 degress

[molten flame]

I need 64:9 with 2160 horizonal pixels

[quick locust]

But yeah going to get ARL and mobo and ram for it

7 year upgrade

Also going to finally move my OS from my intel 600P by then

[molten flame]

Lunar-lake is compelling because it should be competitive with Ryzen in power draw per core, the performance cores should be much more efficient

[quick locust]

Successor to Claw A1M was announced 3 months after the Claw launched

[molten flame]

aren't there handhelds now that are ~2x faster than the Deck in iGPU

[quick locust]

Well the Lenovo Legion Go has had the highest perf but

Steam deck seems to do great in 1% lows compared to them

[sharp vine]

EA AntiCheat Service Encountered Error

how to fix it?

[willow schooner]

Repair from game files

There is an anti cheat folder beside game exe. Go there and run the repair tool

[sharp vine]

it doesn't work

[dry pike]

that was not very descriptive

[prime jasper]

delete system 32

[sharp vine]

okay :/

[prime jasper]

im joking

[jolly hornet]

how do i fix this damn error "0x4C7" ?

it says this "This file does not have an app associated with it for performing this action. Please install an app or, if one is already installed, create an association in the Default Apps Settings page."
i tried everything on google (i think)

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/cybertruck-mini-pc-is-happening-after-all-xyber-xpc-to-feature-amd-ryzen-7-8845hs-apu

[tawny mauve]

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

[whole basin]

Does anyone know how to solve the Battlefield problem, it keeps asking to update the driver even though it is already on the latest update

the error is
detected AMD Radeon driver version 0.0.0. the required driver version is 16.20.1015 or later.

[gilded idol]

anyone know if using crosshair x is bannable in bf5?

[midnight crypt]

Hopefully

[gilded idol]

what why

[frigid condor]

You can just use your monitor's crosshair

[pale quartz]

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/GPU-601.html then install the Radeon driver again

[whole basin]

I already did it and it didn't work

[lofty light]

Or put a dot of bluetack on your screen in the centre

[tawny mauve]

https://x.com/AqueelMiq/status/1674843555486134272

Aqueel (@AqueelMiq) on X

@t3dotgg this is a temporary restriction, we will re-enable logged out twitter access in the near future

Twitter · Jun 30, 2023, 6:13 PM

A year later

[dire osprey]

Use the old tape on monitor method

[small zinc]

I never understood the 1% low arguments and benchmarks. It's among the dumbest tests in my opinion.

It's about the same as saying any car has better performance than a bicycle. But a bike has better 1% lows.

Yeah, no shit. When you are more consistent at slower speeds, that's gonna happen.

Pretty easy to accomplish when one runs a version of Linux and the other runs Windows.

[quick locust]

Because it has a pretty big impact on the perceived smoothness

[small zinc]

It's a garbage metric. Always has been and people cling to that as if it has any actual impact on actual performance.

[quick locust]

Also the performance difference isn't massive

[quick locust]

It does have an impact on perceived smoothness.

Especially with large spikes

[small zinc]

Keyword being "perceived". Not actual performance

[quick locust]

It is actual performance

And a large target for optimization in UMD

[small zinc]

Spikes are caused by a variety of things. The 1% lows are going to be better on any stable hardware than something overclocked.

So it's a moot point

Always has been

[quick locust]

neither of these are overclocked anyway

[small zinc]

I agree that the performance is similar between a Legion Go and a Steam Deck. One runs Linux and the other runs Windows. LSASS is vastly different.

One has to run a bunch of background processes

The other doesnt.

[quick locust]

That I know

Nothing is stopping them from running linux as well

[small zinc]

True. But the Legion Go and Steam Deck is kind of a pointless argument in general. When people start comparing performance of things that are apples to bananas, then I start disregarding any actual argument made.

[quick locust]

But just saying, 1% do matter, especially if it is caused by single large stutters.

[small zinc]

1% matters to YOU then.

Not overall.

Most consumers when they buy something are looking at raw performance

Why do people buy a 4090?

Do you think any consumer who can afford higher end hardware gives an actual shit about 1% lows?

Not in the slightest bit.

[quick locust]

That comparison IS apple to bananas

And whether you care about 1% or not is another thing, but perceived smoothness is a factor, especially with large single stutters.

It's what my gpu (Arc A770) has had issues with since launch (though less nowadays)

[small zinc]

Reference 4090 argument.

[brave sundial]

Most consumers want something that provides smooth uninterrupted gameplay

[small zinc]

Nobody who buys a 4090 cares about "perceived" smoothness. Some games run janky. Things will stutter no matter what hardware you have. Overall, the 4090 is going to absolutely crush any other GPU in existence performance wise and that's why people buy it.

[quick locust]

But that isn't the comparison here

They're relatively close except for 1% lows

[small zinc]

I promise people who buy a damn Legion Go or Steam Deck don't care about 1% lows when factoring their purchase decision.

Which one fits their needs better

And if they do factor that in, it's at the bottom of that list. Which one has a better interface. Which one plays better. Which screen looks better. Which has more storage. Which one is more cost effective. Which one is more portable or more convenient. Which one has the longer battery life. Which one has the better interface.

1% lows. Ask 10 consumers who are going to Best Buy or shopping for those very handheld devices today if 1% lows were in their decision to buy it. You already know the answer to that.

[terse glade]

You don't get it bro

[small zinc]

No, you don't get it.

You just don't like my answer

That's fine. I'm not saying EVERYONE doesn't care about that. Clearly a couple of you do.

But the average consumer. They don't give a shit.

Not in the slightest.

[brave sundial]

They won't even know what 1% low would mean, yes. But they would care if it means if it can greatly impact their gameplay experience

[quick locust]

Its a large part of UMD development

[small zinc]

Ok, I can sort of respect this answer a bit more, however they'd have to understand what any of that meant first. And like I said. The average consumer doesn't care about that, because it's not a metric most consumers look at. I continue to reference my 4090 argument as the example. If you can buy a $1,700 GPU, do you care about it's 1% lows? Be absolutely honest. You wouldn't. Because you want to play Battlefield 2042 at 200+ FPS.

[quick locust]

Its also one of the reasons people dont like MSI claw lol

[brave sundial]

If the 1% lows were horrible then I'd absolutely care, yes. Even if I could get a 4090 for half the price right now.

[quick locust]

If you were playing an fps stuttering a ton, youd be driven insane lol

[small zinc]

Maybe you might care. But people don't look at those numbers. There's a reason benchmarks are skewed and vastly inconsistent. Even people like Gamers Nexus, Jayz Two Cents etc. They are getting paid by sponsors to skew shit in their favor. Regardless of your loyalty to any one of them. Their testing methodologies are skewed

People buy a GPU because they want to see a benchmark and be like. Wow! Look at that FPS number!

[brave sundial]

paid by sponsors

[small zinc]

1% lows. Not even on that list for a reason.

[quick locust]

And if they get horrible stuttering they wont have a good time

[brave sundial]

FPS to them means something that stays consistent 100% the time, so no stuttering at all.

They'll think their 4090 is faulty if they receive that in something that requires smoothness like an fps

[small zinc]

Again. They buy that GPU based on its performance. When you google benchmarks for hardware, there's a reason why the 1% lows are buried at the bottom.

[quick locust]

And if they get terrible 1%, the performance isnt good

Its what Arc has had issues with for a long time

And what a lot of the work into the UMD has went into

[willow schooner]

Most gamers dont even know what 1% or 0.1% lows even mean for them...because tech outlets do a shit job at explaining that perceived smoothness > peak performance.

The argument that gamers dont care about it just means you are confirming that a lot of gamers are stupid

[small zinc]

I agree spikes or inconsistencies are annoying. Most of that can be remedied though with software changes (Drivers etc.) or making changes in the BIOS. Sure, the average consumer also doesn't want to deal with that and I agree with that. But again, I'd argue that the average consumer doesn't want a PC at all and theres a reason they buy a PS5/Xbox or Steam Deck. Plug and Play. They truly don't care about 1% lows. They want something they can hook up to their TV, grab a controller and play a game. 1% lows are a thing for the already low percentage of people who buy gaming PC's and even lower for those who know anything about them.

[small zinc]

Now this I will absolutely agree with.

[quick locust]

So you disagree with this?

[small zinc]

I'm simply saying I agree that spikes/inconsistencies are annoying. But in my opinion 1% lows are a moot point even when comparing say the same exact hardware. Go buy an MSI 4090 from say Microcenter. Now buy the same MSI 4090 from New Egg. We all know that fabrication is going to be different on the silicon itself and we all might get the "lottery" board that happens to run better. So that automatically means the inferior version of the same exact GPU is going to have lesser performance or perhaps lesser 1% lows and more inconsistencies.

[quick locust]

Consoles are (usually) optimized to not have terrible 1% lows but instead a consistent experience

[small zinc]

They're optimized because they're programmed on inferior hardware with a much lower API in order to achieve that same experience.

[willow schooner]

This point with hardware variance is moot in this comparison. There is a clear issue with 1% lows on this lenovo device, that goes well outside manufacturing difference.

[small zinc]

I disagree. Why is the Legion Go then so different or have worse 1% lows than say the ROG Ally?

Same exact AMD Z1 APU

[willow schooner]

Software

duh

[warm saffron]

hi guys

quick question

[small zinc]

Don't they both run Windows?

What exactly is different here?

[warm saffron]

is there anyone willing to help me out with a small problem i've got?

[small zinc]

Other than screen size. The Legion Go and RoG Ally are eseentially apples to apples in terms of hardware

[willow schooner]

How can I tell you that answer possibly. Its clearly a software issue on the lenovo machines side tho

[small zinc]

and software

[willow schooner]

They wouldnt use the same software, even as windows machines

Completely different bios

[small zinc]

Which isn't software.

lol

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-battlemage-xe2-discrete-gpus-expected-to-use-tsmc-4nm-process

come to papi

[quick locust]

Gimme

[willow schooner]

did you actually just say a BIOs isnt software?

[warm saffron]

anyone?

[small zinc]

I am excited for Intel to keep pushing the GPU game. Hopefully it puts Nvidia in check as far as pricing is concerned and can leverage the midrange market much better.

[molten flame]

Battlemage should come to close to RDNA3 in IPC lol

[small zinc]

It's grey. It's firmware.

[molten flame]

maybe better

[willow schooner]

It is not grey...a BIOS is software

Dear lord

[brave sundial]

Don't ask, just say what your problem is.

[small zinc]

It's not as simple as that though

[willow schooner]

Yes, it is

It is VERY simple

[warm saffron]

gotcha

[willow schooner]

Firmware is software

[small zinc]

Software that's permanently programmed into non volatile storage driving the integration of hardware.

So....

Firmware

We're both wrong.

And right.

[willow schooner]

No, you are just wrong

[small zinc]

No.

[quick locust]

You can change it if you wish

[small zinc]

You are now acting highly immature if you don't understand what firmware is.

[quick locust]

Even make your own BIOS

[small zinc]

It's not solely software driven. But neither here nor there.....

[willow schooner]

lmao, this guy...goes from sayign 1% lows are irrelivant, to mattering...and now is trying to tell me a BIOS isnt software ha

and that firmware isnt software lol

[warm saffron]

i have trouble firing up bf 2042, it's getting stuck at the "preparing game" screen. Launching it from steam or ea doesn't help. I reinstalled the launcher and got kinda stuck now, anyone any ideas what else could I do to fix it?

[small zinc]

Not my fault you don't fully understand how hardware interfaces with software and vice versa....

[willow schooner]

im leavign this conversation ,because youre using google to learn what things are instead of common sense/experience

[dry pike]

If we want to be completely confused just remember that all software can be build in hardware and all hardware can be emulated in software

[willow schooner]

Not really confusing when you understand software and hardware emulation 😛

[brave sundial]

Try the repair function for the launcher and making sure your game is whitelisted in your firewall perhaps?

[small zinc]

Fine. Not going to escalate this increasingly toxic argument with what a BIOS actually is. Does not change my argument regarding 1% lows. Lenovo and ASUS are using a different BIOS I agree. That's literally the ONLY difference between the two (Aside from aesthetics). Still going to reference the manufacturing argument. A 4090 is a 4090 is a 4090. Some silicon is just better than others. Drivers (Software) will change that interaction in how a game or performance is driven. Nothing can truly ever be identical, so the 1% lows thing is a terrible argument when the average consumer generally only cares about how high his or her FPS can go on average. They want the most bang for the buck, and there's a reason why 1% lows are generally speaking not on most benchmark numbers for a reason.

[warm saffron]

trust me mate i've tried everything now i read somewhere that it could be affected by my nvidia drivers so I am now checking if everything is up to date

[brave sundial]

Could be, make sure they're up to date.

[willow schooner]

What is your PC, OS, ETC?

[warm saffron]

ryzen 7 5800x, 32gigs 3200mhz, rtx 2070, running w10

nvidia drivers are up to date with the latest release

[willow schooner]

Is this somethign that only recently started happening?

and how do you launch the game. through EA app, or steam

[warm saffron]

i got the game long time ago never touched it

i tried through steam itself, ea launcher and just simply the game pictogram

all the ways of launching it have the same outcome

[willow schooner]

You own it on steam tho, right?

[warm saffron]

yes sir I do

i noticed it is for all of my ea titles

[willow schooner]

Have you tried something as simple as logging out of EA app, and logging back in? Load it through steam as you normally would (Since loading EA app, and loading it through team use different credentials)

[warm saffron]

already tried that but i will do it once again

[willow schooner]

Is it the case, that regardless of how many times you try to launch the game, it just never loads? (Asking as its a semi-common issue for the game to fail to load on first launch for some people)

[warm saffron]

well i play bf4 almost every single day, recently i didnt touch any of the ea games for some time and now it is happening to all the titles. I tried to go into the files and try to repair it through there bc that's also a way to do it but that made the ea launcher not launch at all so i reinstalled it. So speaking of bf 2042 yes it is my first time trying to launch the game

i heard it can take around 5 min to launch the game so now i am logged out of the ea launcher and started the game through steam. It's sill at "preparing the game" screen but this time the loading bar is moving faster so I guess I will give it more time

[exotic cave]

Hi, Does anyone have the berydynamic DT 900pro X headphones, just wanted to know how punchy it sounds in games like Squad and battlefiled with its chaos
was looking to buy for Comp FPS games cause footsteps mainly

[willow schooner]

I have a set of them. They are pretty decent for FPS games, but not the best if you are looking to isolate footsteps and such. They are quite bass heavy for open back headphones.

I personally prefer the Audio Technica ATH AD700X or the Sennheiser HD560S (Or similar Sennheiser cans) if you want the clearest footstep audio

[exotic cave]

i see, ive seen reviews saying the complete opposite that they are very great for foot steps in csgo valorant etc and arnt very base heavy, thats why i was asking.

[willow schooner]

They are fine, just not as good as others

Especially for the price

[exotic cave]

ill look into the others u mentioned then ive just seen so many positive reviews of people saying "u wont know what i mean until u try them" so i was curious.

[willow schooner]

they are decent headphones, dont get me wrong. They are just worse for footsteps versus others. (IMO)

[exotic cave]

do u think its worth upgrading from my current headset at all (Razer Nari Ultimate) I have a standalone mic so that doesnt matter to me

ive had the Nari for like 6 years and its sound quality is great for what i have listened to

[mint trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1197207834069303468/1259672966409621595/Screenshot_2024-07-07_205015.png?ex=668c895e&is=668b37de&hm=81a9abd05d62b093f3c4c0892dc23bc173219e78c2d87546c5816fa67a2f39df&

i get this noti when i try and boot up any ea game like battle field does anyone know how to fix this ea has not given me any helpful solutions

i dont know where else to look

[molten flame]

Walmart I work at has a CyberPower prebuilt PC with Ryzen 5 7600, RX 7600, 1TB Gen4 SSD and 550W PSU for $700 but the only downside is 16GB DDR5

iirc 16GB DDR5 is bandwidth deprived

[severe elbow]

[willow schooner]

buy it, sell the ram it comes with, add 2 stick kit

[pale quartz]

wdym bandwidth deprived

[molten flame]

I heard 2x8GB DDR5 is slow

[pale quartz]

it's not slow, it being single rank isn't going to make a difference to the end performance

[quick locust]

1x8gb stick at lowest jedec

[pale quartz]

cas latency and bandwidth is what matters, not the amount in a single configuration

[quick locust]

[molten flame]

That prebuilt is a good deal since I can use 10% employee discount lol

Cheap for AM5 system but not sure about the motherboard lol

Probably not good for 9950X

[tawny mauve]

https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1809880852995637336

Tom Warren (@tomwarren) on X

ASUS' latest beta BIOS updates for its newest AMD and Intel boards enables Microsoft's Dynamic Lighting feature in Windows 11, so you can control the motherboard lighting directly in Windows

Twitter · Jul 7, 2024, 9:23 AM

[brave sundial]

I've already had this for the past 2 months

[terse glade]

What's the mobo?

[ivory creek]

btw deco, reviewrs say that the black levels of my qled tv is close to that of real black oled, and it cant get burnins

why buy an oled when u risk burnins then

my tv can also peak at 2000nits

[pale quartz]

whoever told you that is lying to you lol

it isnt close because OLED is literally, infinite contrast, because the pixels are turned off, and qled can burn in just the same as oled

[ivory creek]

ye but my degenerate eye almost see no difference between my brothers oled and my qleds blacks

[pale quartz]

because whatever you're watching is probably not actually using true black lol

it is deliberate not to because a graytone of black displays better on LCD monitors

[ivory creek]

aight

i got a 10 year burn in warranty to my display tho so thats cool

[brave sundial]

They're not.

qled is just a slightly more punchy and contrasty led

But it does not have the black contrast levels of an actual oled

It will never have them since it still relies on a backlight and each pixel does not independently emmit.

[small zinc]

I will argue that once I went to an OLED TV, i will never go back.

I also have two Alienware OLED monitors

Never again will I ever deal with backlight bleed

and the color accuracy will never be matched of that of OLED

[storm osprey]

infinite blacks AND 2000 nits? highly doubt this unless you spent a shit load of money on it, and even then the tech wouldnt allow for this

[sharp jay]

Does anyone know if there is a way to play with multiple joysticks in 2042 ?? Tryin to get the keybindings done for two hotas, but the game only seem to detect one of them at a time.

[pale quartz]

there isnt

[sharp jay]

thanks for replying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1iaUVhCH2A
This person seems to have found a way

[pale quartz]

huh intriguing, this may not work though, be aware

[sharp jay]

but since the vid is from 2021, I guess its before they enabled joystick keybindings officially.
So maybe with some kind of controller emulator? not sure if this would be as reliable

@pale quartz

[pale quartz]

do not use a controller emulator, EA anticheat will detect it

this video is back when the game was using easy anticheat but tools like that will risk a ban

rewasd is already blacklisted by it and so are others

[sharp jay]

damn really ?
It seems to be the only way to get the two joysticks working.

[pale quartz]

yes most probably, you can try but you're skirting the risk of a hardware ban, so depends what your risk tolerance is

[sharp jay]

🙏 for me. I might try.
thank you.

[pale quartz]

[rain jolt]

can anybody help me make ps4 controller working on bf 2042

[midnight crypt]

Step 1:

Dont

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

[ivory creek]

he almost beat his own son to death, psychopath

[brave sundial]

He got reminded of a baseball game and immediately turned good

[ivory creek]

lol

[brave sundial]

The worst part is that he slaughtered thousands of innocent people that had nothing to do with this to try to prove a point

[ivory creek]

ye but his own son

[brave sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-punch-ez-bitch-gif-22647125

[brave sundial]

"What's 17 more years? I can always start again, make another kid"

[quick locust]

When you get an A-

[toxic wigeon]

Who is louis rossman and why am I getting tonnes of his shit on my recommended feed now.

[brave sundial]

Guy who runs a repair shop in New York

For like more than a decade at this point

Pro right to repair and has been campaigning for years to push companies to allow consumers to easily repair and replace parts in their phones and other tech

But these days he just makes drama commentary stuff on anything relating to tech, so like Adobe being assholes I guess

[terse glade]

That guy who drived bicycle through NYC all the time? And then he left to Massachusetts or something like that

[terse glade]

Oh yea it is xD

[tawny mauve]

@pale quartz ik I mentioned it before, but why is risc v bad? when it's free and open source

Unlike x86 and others

[pale quartz]

#general message

[tawny mauve]

I never saw that conversation before

But like what do you think of it being free

regardless of same efficiency

[pale quartz]

makes no difference

ISA conversations are meaningless and people cope about them way too much

risc v being free is good for DIY users, but that doesn't apply to 99.9% of users, you can already do that with x86/ARM devices anyways

[toxic wigeon]

@pale quartz You have any idea why shadow play runs like shit on W11 not W10?

[pale quartz]

it's updated for the Nvidia app not the geforce app

the old one isn't updated anymore

[toxic wigeon]

Ah right.

Still weird for it to run like shit on W11 all of a sudden.

[pale quartz]

there's better options anyways just use game bar or obs

or steam itself alternatively

[toxic wigeon]

Eh Shadow play did what I want it's just annoying it's broken essentially.

[pale quartz]

it's outdated generally anyways it doesn't support vrr correctly or gsync

[willow schooner]

Shadowplay was updated last week

Or should I say, Geforce Experience, paired with updates to the share features

[pale quartz]

I mean with features, yes there's bug fixes, it was the first in 7 months, but 120 FPS with shadowplay only works with the Nvidia app as does a bunch of other things

gfe along with the shadowplay integration is all but dead effectively

[tawny mauve]

https://x.com/MatPiscatella/status/1810379429350355296

Mat Piscatella (@MatPiscatella) on X

May spending on Accessories dropped 8% when compared to a year ago to $148M. Headset and Headphone spending growth 10% in May when compared to a year ago was offset by a 12% dip in Gamepad spending.

Twitter · Jul 8, 2024, 6:24 PM

https://x.com/MatPiscatella/status/1810379504218681666

Mat Piscatella (@MatPiscatella) on X

The PlayStation Portal was the best-selling accessory in dollar sales for both May and 2024 year-to-date.

Twitter · Jul 8, 2024, 6:24 PM

Remote play

[storm osprey]

DDR4 vs DDR5

[molten flame]

14th gen utilizes DDR4 better than 12th gen did

[brave sundial]

Game bar is great

Especially when playing on controller

Pre-mapped to the share button on the new controllers

So just like playing on Xbox

[mystic flax]

Current PC, this piece of shit is the main runner for the reason I'm upgrading

[toxic wigeon]

Hey it's done its job.

[willow schooner]

As long as its cool and its fast, it doesnt matter how it looks 😛

[brave sundial]

Nah its shit because there's no rgb

Very ungamer

[toxic wigeon]

Nah it's pretty old bsod.

[mystic flax]

If the job is school work and playing games from 2020 then yeah. It can get it done

[toxic wigeon]

Now you'll have a card that does professional 3d work.

[digital hill]

Have you tried turning it off and on again

[digital hill]

Man you get louis rossman only, I get videos on electrican replacing panel for people, or a guy who repairs traffic lights for a living

Really interesting shit on traffic lights though, like he shows the backbone of how it all works, and fixing any problems, like it is more complex then I ever thought, it isn't just a raspberry pie, it uses a bunch of controllers and uses now cameras to determine when the light to change

[storm osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4En-2PzOU

12gb bare min and 16gb being ideal if you dont want to reduce settings

[mystic flax]

Change my mind on what I'm ordering next. Now I'm getting the PSU, white cables, GPU, and the fans

I don't need a screwdriver kit as I have plenty of small screwdrivers that are made for electronics and small screws

I don't need thermal paste or windows yet

And I got empty USBs at home.

[marble basin]

Anyone know why BF5 won't run. At all, like at all? I have a decent computer with more than the required specs for the game. But every 10 seconds, the game freezes and lags so hard I shed a tear. Just? Why?

[pale quartz]

hard drive?

[wet notch]

is it the same if you play again on the same map?

i know that if I never played a map before on my computer, sometimes the shader cache (i think) made my game stutter every 5-10 seconds or so

but that problem went away after i played the map again

[tawny mauve]

https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

64gb phased out

[pale quartz]

no surprises lol

not even enough to store a single game

[mystic flax]

Decided to get the GPU and PSU only for this week.

And get all of the other small shit for the 24th

[toxic wigeon]

Zflip a fold 6 were announced just then huh

I wasn't looking at "upgrading" but they make me so fucking mad cause they're barely an upgrade.

I guess welcome to the world of phones haha

Ugh

[willow schooner]

Im still rocking my Redmagic 8 Pro 😄

Likely will keep it for years to come.

[mystic flax]

God the set back that GPU did was crazy. But it's all about to be over, one more payday and I'll be able to get the remaining items that are way cheaper

[turbid verge]

the new phones only got some redesigns plus more battery and a new CPU. I think the ring is interesting but the new Buds are actually very interesting

although this year gonna switch from my S23 ultra

[toxic wigeon]

The fold 6 doesn't even have a better battery funny enough.

The processor may be a little more efficient.

[brave sundial]

Good

It was emmc too

[storm osprey]

unfortunate, was a cheap way to get into the system, and upgrade easily when needed

[modern gull]

Already planned to get 16gb gpu for 1080p Or 18gb if that will ever exsist

At some point i'll upgrade to 1440p monitor though if i want bigger

[storm osprey]

i think 12gb for 1080p will be fine for a while, especialy if you are ok with dropping a setting here or there

[modern gull]

No

Max

But yeah 12gb should be fine for a while. But in the end it will be too little

[brave sundial]

Me with 8GB

[modern gull]

I have 8gb now lol

[storm osprey]

8gb really only running into problems with modern titles and high settings at 1080p

[modern gull]

Waiting for rtx 50 series to release

[modern gull]

Yeah

Also with DXR enabled, that eats vram like crazy

[storm osprey]

and again, just drop a couple of settings to medium will be fine

[modern gull]

On fortnite i need to use low textures

[storm osprey]

textures is the one thing i max out

[brave sundial]

I can run Fortnite just fine at 'epic' settings

[storm osprey]

why are you running epic settings on fortnite

any shooting game i go as low as possible (other than textures) for visibility and frames

[brave sundial]

I wasn't really seriously playing, just downloaded it to complete some battlepass quests and use xp farm maps

Then I uninstalled when I got what I wanted

[modern gull]

@storm osprey What gpu you got?

[storm osprey]

3080

[modern gull]

Oooouuu nice

i got 3070

[storm osprey]

thankfully i rarely play AAA modern titles at max

so 12gb holding me perfectly fine at 1440p

[modern gull]

Why not though? 🤔 well, you did say visibility and frames

[storm osprey]

why not what?

[modern gull]

Use max settings i meant

[quick locust]

16GB on my A770

[modern gull]

But i already got the answer haha

[quick locust]

[storm osprey]

i dont typically play singleplayer games to begin, and i normally push frames

[modern gull]

Fair enough

[storm osprey]

i usually look up "optimial settings" where you cant really tell its not max but you get more fps

[modern gull]

Intel having plans for new gpus?

[storm osprey]

pluss i turn off shit like occlusion

[modern gull]

Ambient occlusion is nice though

[quick locust]

Battlemage eventually

Soon

[storm osprey]

once you realize how the shadows are generated its an eye sore

its like a light bulb but for a shadow

so a shadow just randomly casts outward without regards to accuracy

[modern gull]

But looks nicer

Maybe you dislike it more in bigger objects rather than small details on objects 🤷

[storm osprey]

in certain cases yea, but theres situations where you character could be against a wall, and theres a random shadow coming from the player model that shouldnt exist

[quick locust]

Just raytrace everything

[storm osprey]

once you notice it, its annoying

[quick locust]

[storm osprey]

the only time i like AO is examples above, especially foliage

there was a video i watch long ago that showed the problems with it, ever since i hate it

[willow schooner]

Even with RT AO?

[modern gull]

Hover your hand over your other hand can see the ambient shadow if not directly lit and shadowed. If you can see someone in a room i am sure you can see ambient shadow too. SSAO as an example allways will shadow though even if no light would making ambient shadow

[modern gull]

RT AO would be no problem i'd say, more accurate

It would take into account skylight or example light from outside if inside etc...

I guess that would be more called indirect light

[storm osprey]

thats the problem though, AO doesnt care if something is directly lit, and thats the main part that i notice now

AO is basically a "light source" but for shadows

[modern gull]

Yeah i understand, i still use it even if i know

[storm osprey]

plus like i said, i play mostly MP games, and AO off helps a ton with visibility

[modern gull]

Wouldn't enemy characters blend easier with it off? From my expectation at least

[storm osprey]

more shadows, especially in foliage, makes it harder to see enemies

[modern gull]

I am really confident having it on would help seeing characters easier in most cases

Only comparison example i found

Funny enough first one is SSAO, looks like nothing if you compare to rest

Character gets more contrasts which i would say makes it easier

[storm osprey]

i dont believe so, 99.999% of games have you turn everything off/low for best visiblity, including AO

[modern gull]

🤔

[storm osprey]

problem is that the environment gets more contrast too, so if everything is darker, ESPECIALLY already dark areas, its just harder to see a now darker enemy in a darker environment

[modern gull]

I guess you have to consider environment type too

Colours will blend easier with AO off

[brave sundial]

Man I got hit with nostalgia from just seeing this emoji

[storm osprey]

yea but id argue competitive games tpyically have their game developed to where characters contrast against backgrounds already

[modern gull]

I dont have UE5 currently installed so cant show examples on how i am thinking

[modern gull]

Yeah generally those games are brighter

[storm osprey]

oddly enough cod being a major title that consistently goes against this idea with their dark ass skins

on top of dark ass settings

[modern gull]

[willow schooner]

I mean, 2042 solved its visibility issues by sticking big glowing red/green lights on players

[modern gull]

Would be nice to see siege with alternative settings for more shadowing and darkness. Now it looks, competetive game

[storm osprey]

but yea, titles like cs2, valorant, ow, etc. these games that strive for a competitive environment usually have a fairly mute and light environment with characters being darker

its rare to be able to blend in for these titles

[modern gull]

It was a good idea tbh, i think also the thought behind this is if you play no hud 🤷

[willow schooner]

Yeah, its not a bad thing TBH. IFFs are a real thing afterall

[modern gull]

This is like SSAO or something, just shadowing contacting edges. Else the bridge would shadow too with ambient shadow

It does get a bit darker on some flat surfaces on the bridge though

Middle one completely blended

[storm osprey]

open in browser to get a better image and be able to toggle between the two

[modern gull]

I just did

[storm osprey]

yea the foliage being darker makes it easier to hide in

[modern gull]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-maybe-ehh-the-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-7541555

Still less visible if you dont move, but ofc thats not the point here

[storm osprey]

i forget which game had a large field that you could hide in if you had certain settings on, but if you played low/off they were easily visible

[modern gull]

🤷

[storm osprey]

i wish i could find all these examples xD

[modern gull]

I didn't mean visibility with foliage though, i haven't even thought about that before

Still think it will be easier to blend with AO off overall though 🤔

Bridge is good example of what could happen

🤔

[storm osprey]

but if an enemy was standing on that wall, the flatter background with no AO would be easier to tell if someone was there

[modern gull]

I mean if your character got bright red clothes you will obviously will be visible anyway

[modern gull]

https://tenor.com/view/fifty-fifty-redd-foxx-fred-sanford-sanford-and-son-so-so-gif-17869387

[storm osprey]

i dont think its a drastic difference, but i think there are situations where it helps

[modern gull]

I guess, it can help with both on and off depending on situation

[storm osprey]

ill take the slight fps boost and imo slight visibility boost

even if there are trade offs to visibility, theres an objective fps boost

(even if marginal)

[modern gull]

with ao like SSAO doubt you will get much fps extra tbh

[storm osprey]

iirc it was only a few fps, but i take every advantage i can get

[modern gull]

Fair enough

[storm osprey]

i believe im a slightly above average gamer, BUT i take all these little advantages here and there that i can get, and all those micro contributions turn into a sizable difference

[molten flame]

Activated Windows for free through CMD

No more activate windows watermark

[brave sundial]

Honestly windows is the kind of thing I would pay for. It's a 1 time pay kind of thing basically. There's a feature that allows you to transfer your license between devices pretty easily.

That cmd was probably hwid which generates a valid license and 'installs' it on your board

Though you'll need to run everytime you change major hardware as it doesn't sync with your MS account if you have one.

Though I suppose since it's free you can't complain

I'm grateful MS doesn't take a hard stance like Adobe. Because it only benefits them to do the bare minimum to counter it

[toxic wigeon]

Wait you have the 3080 12 gig? @storm osprey

[molten flame]

3080, 3080 12G, 3080Ti and 3090 was some of the worst segmentation ever

all of them performed very similarly too, biggest difference is VRAM and memory bus

[storm osprey]

I lied I have 10gb

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I thought you had the 10gig.

[molten flame]

memory tuning on Ryzen is brain rot

might as well leave it stock

[molten flame]

booted with 3800 MT/s CL18 on 5800X3D

not gonna open game or program because ik it's not stable

[toxic wigeon]

Test it!

[molten flame]

went back to 3200 CL16 lol

[tacit stone]

Yo I've RX 6600 as my GPU and a friend of mine has GTX 1650, now Battlefield V microstutters for me often, but for him having a weaker GPU, it's always butter smooth, anyone know the reason?

[quick locust]

Whats the rest of your specs?

[quick locust]

Skill issue i run 3933 on an older cpu

And only reason I cant go higher is that Gigabyte had meh memory oc at the time

[tacit stone]

i5 11400F
16GB 3200Mhz RAM (dual channel)
2TB HDD 7200RPM

Battlefield 2042 never stuttered for me and I played it in all high quality

idk what's wrong with battlefield V

[midnight crypt]

if dx 12 is on

turn it off

[tacit stone]

already off

turned on future frame rendering too

playing on borderless reduces the micro stutters but it's still present

[pale quartz]

your gpu wont matter here the hard drive will be the main reason

they cant be used for game rendering in a capacity which doesnt cause stuttering issues

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900k-14900k-stability-issues-drive-game-server-providers-to-amd#disqus_thread

Intel CPUs are very unstable

[pale quartz]

yes its not clear if this is due to the board manufacturers allowing non factory settings from the getgo or not

the video is ambiguous, and we dont really know either way

[molten flame]

some report the random crashing is getting worse over time. some say they have WHQL errors that get worse. some say their cores are degrading and increasing V-core temporarily fixes it.

[pale quartz]

yeah lol ofc they will be

[molten flame]

what if it's related to mixing different types of cores together on x86

[pale quartz]

has nothing to do with it

[molten flame]

[pale quartz]

core structures dont have anything to do with core degradation lol its not new and this isnt associated with it

[molten flame]

I guess so since 12th gen doesn't have the problems and it's literally the first generation of E-cores lol

[pale quartz]

no it was never the first generation of topologic structures

this is 99% going to be caused by intel allowing users to have unlocked power limits and its been going on for 2 generations at this point, it will continue because not everyone updates their bios settings

and is why power options need to be removed from consumer chipsets

[molten flame]

12/13/14th gen are pretty much same architecture with minor changes, biggest changes were to E-core clusters but other than that they are a refresh of eachother, Intel just pumped up the power limit for 13/14th gen to remain competitive with Ryzen X3D

15th gen is gonna see lots of P-core changes iirc

[tacit stone]

my friend is playing on an external HDD with even slower speed and worse pc specs overall, how is he getting better performance then?

he never gets stutters

[stray needle]

I'm curious about asus' latest 4k 240hz sniper mode

It should magnify the center where you aim

PG32UCDM

Someone who has more insight 😇

[midnight crypt]

google.com

[burnt coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o3u6TreiWA

[molten flame]

buildzoid reported "IMC" issues for alder and raptor lake - he said it was impossible to stabilize a ram overclock, because at some point, even after 12 hours of error free stress test, it will still error out at some point.

[pale quartz]

yes he's correct lol

that's what happens with memory overclocks

not a imc issue just what happens eventually on non jedec configurations

[molten flame]

disable E-cores to improve stability

[tawny mauve]

https://ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/EA-to-Release-First-Quarter-Fiscal-Year-2025-Results-on-July-30-2024/default.aspx

[tawny mauve]

https://ir.ea.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2024/EA-to-Host-Investor-Day-on-September-17-2024/default.aspx

[snow heron]

is this where i ask about bugs?

[storm osprey]

nope

[mystic flax]

Got my power supply

The GPU is next

[steady hedge]

anyone know why whenever i play battlefield 5 my settings NEVER save? whenveer i play i have to redo all my settings and play thru the beggining few scenes with the night raid in norway and the lil tutorial thingy

and when i leave and come back the next day i have to do it all over again

or even the next hour

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAE4NWoyMZk

Can’t be fixed via microcode

A Datacenter provider had over 1400 failing Intel CPUs but only 4 failing AMD CPUs

i9-13900K/14900K failure rates as high as 25% for one provider

[toxic wigeon]

Why does Microsoft push for this one drive bullshit?

Do they realise no one actually likes it?

Like oh if I wanted to back up I'd do it but fuck me

[quick locust]

Money

[brave sundial]

Cloud storage is convenient, they get paid through people giving up and paying for more storage

[prime jasper]

OneDrive is a complete, unoptimised mess

[molten flame]

Lunar-Lake features up to 68% higher IPC on the E-cores and 14% higher IPC on the P-cores than Meteor-Lake.

E-cores almost as fast as P-cores now?

[midnight crypt]

And how much more juice do they sip now

[molten flame]

new architecture that focuses on efficiency and has big multi-core performance gains

better or at least competitive with Zen 5 in per-core power draw

[coarse nimbus]

How many cores are they, down to 4 again?

[toxic wigeon]

NOOOOOO

WHY IS IT INFLATED LIKE THAT.

[dry pike]

lithium is completely stable, nothing can go wrong

[toxic wigeon]

Lithium ion in my experience isn't too bad.

But...

No I can't even word it out haha

It was something about over reliance on a particular battery type and then when things go to shit it'll be a costly replacement.

[dry pike]

Lithium is not that bad actually, pretty stable. Until it isn't ofc.

then it's pretty bad

[molten flame]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/lunar-lake-igpu-benchmarks-leaked-on-geekbench-6

[primal pier]

Pillow

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah

My concern is just over dependence on a single product.

Like oh easy to fix if everyone knows how to

But I guess I'm just over thinking it.

[midnight crypt]

New kinds of batteries are coming

[dry pike]

that has been true since the 1800s

[burnt coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDlsfy44ng&ab_channel=SomeOrdinaryGamers

[molten flame]

companies are working on making both aluminum ion and graphene batteries commercially viable

nickel was used for batteries until early 2000s when lithium was becoming popular

[pale quartz]

yeah they need to because lithium ion is running out lol

[pale quartz]

@toxic wigeon mind being a guinea pig for something

[toxic wigeon]

Sure what for?

[pale quartz]

I've being doing some work for a bit on a program to mass update the DLSS DLL system wide for all games on windows, its at a state where it's semi stable https://github.com/Recol/DLSS-Updater, I'm preparing for it to be opened up to users soon but I need a form of secondary validation to make sure it works across different systems right, essentially all I need you to do is go here https://github.com/Recol/DLSS-Updater/releases/tag/V1.2.0 run the program and report if it does as it says (and if it doesn't report any errors that occur)

you can read the readme if you like, it's pretty long though

[toxic wigeon]

Oh so it's like a launcher in that it makes DLSS up to date?

@pale quartz

[pale quartz]

essentially yeah

[toxic wigeon]

Right

So you want me to run it to update my own DLSS.

[pale quartz]

well not a launcher but a script that pools all the launchers then updates the dll for them all

exactly yeah

[toxic wigeon]

What should I be on the lookout for?

Like bug wise.

[pale quartz]

nothing specific once you boot it a terminal will start, any errors will appear in there, some specific ones can be missing DLLs etc

or non detected games

it should do them all, it's designed to, I'm just paranoid that I missed something

[toxic wigeon]

This is actually pretty cool.

Do you know how I can copy the whole log for you to look at?

[pale quartz]

inside the terminal you can just highlight it with the mouse and right click after it's done to copy it, just save it to a txt or something

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah

I'm doing tha

[pale quartz]

the code is pretty massive for what should be a tiny thing tbh

took about a month in and out to put together

[cursive orchid]

i feel like @woeful crater didnt get my massage

any other mods i can send them pm ?

@long echo what a nice name and thoughts , i really wish for you the best life ever . im also trying to do my best sharing kindness

its nice to see someone have this thoughts these days

anyways . who can i pm my suggestion ? cause i think @woeful crater didnt work , an mod respond and never responded back

[long echo]

Hi thanks!

It worked. We just haven't had the time to respond yet

[cursive orchid]

[cursive orchid]

ok nice , i didnt mention more stuff since i think i have said alot on it

[long echo]

Feel free to add you thoughts in ModMail.

[cursive orchid]

i mean like ( making a role for the people who wants the FNB ) so when someone dont have that role

that rooms will dissaper

cause , why there is 12 channels for FNB

[cursive orchid]

okie

thank you for respond star , you will be always a star