Zen 4c and 5c will have SMT which means AMD is definitely gonna have a big lead with multithreading in the next-gen
#technology
molten flame
pale quartz
it would 2^(e cores)^2(p cores) as the end latency result
which is why it cannot work
intel are limited by physics and that physics is the scheduler being able to cross read between cores fast enough
which is why hyperthreading is going away for them
it would also make e cores very expensive to execute and not efficient, which well, defeats the point of them to begin with
HT as a technology is flawed from its core because of speculative guessing and prone to security issues, it's also not particularly scaleable for processors, so it will be removed probably by 2030 from all mainstream processors
^ is also why intel adopted e cores
molten flame
pale quartz
it would be nice if we could all just use SMT4 and have 32 thread machines for $300, but that's why it doesn't exist except for servers
molten flame
I thought threads were an actual physical part of the silicon that took up little space in a core
pale quartz
oh definitely not threads are just virtualised
the physical core is split into 2 independent virtual cores which have their own independent nature, e.g. clocks etc, they accelerate workloads using what's called speculative branching prediction where it will try to approximate what is to be executed next
the problem with that as we all found out a few years ago is you can hijack and corrupt that branch prediction, which is why it's flawed from a security pov
molten flame
wonder why CPUs like 8600K or 3500X have SMT disabled if it's just a virtual thing, binning affects software too ig?
pale quartz
oh no that's just product segmentation
molten flame
ah
molten flame
pale quartz
a 8600k would look mighty appeasing nowadays with HT but surprise intel doesn't want their processors being used for 10 years when they paid $300 for it, so early grave
and well, you are asking to get yourself compromised using that old a processor, but separate conversation
toxic wigeon
What do you think would be the next big thing for CPUs?
molten flame
HT/SMT going away in a decade wouldn't matter since core counts are so high even today
toxic wigeon
I feel like x3d was pretty significant enough.
toxic wigeon
But I wonder what else could be done asides from just power efficiency and boost clocks.
If you could improve A zen 4 chip. What would you do?
pale quartz
nothing, I'm not a CPU designer, so I wouldn't know how to improve it
neither would I try to either
advancements in current architectures, compared to future ones are a separate topic
but more to the point there's a lot of advancements coming in the next few years
onboard memory processing instead of offloading to RAM all the time, AI accelerators in RAM, threaded water cooling inside the die itself etc
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fair.
molten flame
if you put Zen 3 on 5nm, it'd be real close to Zen 4 in performance. Just look at how good Zen 3+ is on 6nm
toxic wigeon
I just thought since you guys know your tech you'd have a good idea what could be done.
pale quartz
zen 3 in 5 years will look like what intel's 9th gen does today, old, unusable and awful
they probably won't be recognisable
pale quartz
I just thought since you guys know your tech you'd have a good idea what could b...
I mean, more, I could, but I wouldn't try to
molten flame
9900K plays everything fine still tbh, but it's comparable to a $120 CPU today
pale quartz
the answer is with zen 4 the CPPC boosting behaviour can be improved quite extensively
but caveat is, different user systems, wildly different test results
that's the game you play with processor design, it has to account for near every scenario
what you "could" do is have a zen 4 chip that only works on x670e and has advanced topological routes for I/O which would be the best consumer processor for that purpose
or some other purpose, but then it doesn't run on X other chipset
prime jasper
People think zen5 with it's 18% ipc increase is going to save it's ass
I guess shit don't matter anymore since 15/16th gen is just marketing cores go brrr
my PS5 is pimped with a zen6
toxic wigeon
Cleaned it up!
nocturne drift
If you could improve A zen 4 chip. What would you do?
alot
need a way better memory controller without desync
need to find a way to make ihs thinner
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah that reminds me.
nocturne drift
need to find a way to make compute die closer to center of cooler heatsink
toxic wigeon
How do you think you could lower the latency on a CPU?
Just make it less convoluted?
nocturne drift
monolithic or physically smaller
classic example is intel 10th gen
latency monster
Tech YES City downgraded from 13th gen to 10th gen cause of it
oh and for zen4, need to find a way to take voltage better
u can shove voltage to intel's azz and its fine.
oh and need to fix high idle power usage
if u don't turn off ur pc all the time an average user uses more electricity on 7950X over 13900k
oh and find a way to lock cpu clockspeed on the X3D
polar spade
lofty light
Just realised my PSU is only 850W, gonna need to upgrade that too for a new GPU 
magic granite
Hi watt PSUs are like watching myself eat...
nocturne drift
Just realised my PSU is only 850W, gonna need to upgrade that too for a new GPU ...
What gpu u using lol
lofty light
What gpu u using lol
None now mine died yesterday
I was looking at getting a 4090 though likely
lofty light
The reccomended wattage for the card alone is 1000
nocturne drift
That's combined not alone
lofty light
Maybe it is
lofty light
Probably yeah I'm not upgrading it
Although I've got a larger screen so I'm using the GPU more
nocturne drift
Like 4K?
lofty light
Thankfully it's not a pressing upgrade anyway as I've got a 3070 I can thieve out of a vr pc
pale quartz
Tech YES City downgraded from 13th gen to 10th gen cause of it
that video is complete bullshit lol
no one is measuring nanoseconds of latency and that video is more snake oil than a guy selling fake liquor
nocturne drift
that video is complete bullshit lol
I disagree and think the test is about right, but I don't think that little benefits and way less performance overall warrant a downgrade.
I have a 10850k build 4000 cl15 flat at sub 40ns, and I sure as hell not downgrading
pale quartz
that is besides the point, no human, is able to perceive a few "nanoseconds" of differentiation
that is literally by the laws of physics impossible to do
nocturne drift
True, that's why downgrading is a L for him
My 40ns is not response time. It's memory latency tho.
Just monolithic small die low latency thing.
Oh and with more and more game now scaling with bandwidth instead. Racing lower latency isn't quiet as optimal as before.
I guess he stutters dragging 10+ videos from file explorer or smth, very unrealistic workload for most people, but hey kudos for him.
pale quartz
I don't know what happened with him but he went off the deep end for some odd reason
guy used to be decent a long time ago, but oh well
nocturne drift
Tbf everyone is whatever lol.
Lost interest to tech this year. Nothing special
14th gen is nothing special as well
Just make realiable products and I am happy at work.
prime jasper
Lost interest to tech this year. Nothing special
Same intel become a total meme soon as 11th gen hit.
10th gen was the last of the real boi’s
storm osprey
13th gen was damn good, especially the 13600k
primal pier
lofty light
Okay so looking at performance the 7900 XTX is basically the same as the 4800 RTX?
With some games being higher some lower
Good I checked then as it's $1600 for a 7900 XTX and around $2000 for a 4800
Plus free shipping on the cheapest 7900 
toxic wigeon
The 7900xtx yeah it's a 4080 except with more VRAM.
Chpest 4080 I can find on Scorptec is 1900 while the hceapest xtx I can find is 1650.
lofty light
Chpest 4080 I can find on Scorptec is 1900 while the hceapest xtx I can find is ...
Pccasegear has an XTX for 1599 and free shipping 
Shipping is like $70 for all the other options to my place
Unfortunately it's an UGLY XTX
I'd get the XFX one ple are selling if it was cheaper and shipping free
It's an extra $100 though
plucky token
evga gpus are good, but they are so ugly 
lofty light
They don't make them anymore
plucky token
ye. sadly
lofty light
Actually an extra $100 isn't too bad considering it's also from ple
Which makes the warranty much much better
toxic wigeon
There's a pink and blue xtx in scorptec.
I want it so bad.
I know cosmetics aren't everything but if I could help it I'd get something like it.
plucky token
tho mine is a bit different. got 4x2 120mm front and top
lofty light
The holes on the top means when my cat sits on it her fur goes down straight into the case 
plucky token
i have so much air pressure, even when my cat sleeps on top, the hairs will get blown away
lofty light
I've got the CPU waterblock on top which limits it
She loooooooooves the heat it puts out in winter
plucky token
i hope you will go to full custom watercooling at some point
the case is build for that :D
lofty light
Na not for me lol, I got it for it but I lost soooooo much drive to muck around with my PC since I got a mortgage
plucky token
custom cooling is expensive af. but once done, its cheap to replace just the block if yxou upgrade something
pump, pipes, fittings etc can last a long time
light wave
Gotta do the cleaning etc too
Heard it's not that bad, unless you have a case that's too small for a decent custom loop
lofty light
Was gonna get the gigabyte AIO 4080 but nowhere in aus sells it anymore
toxic wigeon
Noctua 4080 kek.
plucky token
EKWB block. kek
nocturne drift
They don't make them anymore <:pepeHands:669978345806495751>
A blessing
We considered throwing a party
quick locust
nocturne drift
Evga 30 series reliability is 💀
We had mountains of ded evga gpu
I can write like an essay on how bad evga 30 series are.
Except kingpin. Evga Kingpin are a work of art
lofty light
I had both a 10 and 20 series EVGA
And both are now dead
Still got my 1060 though that's working great
nocturne drift
I thought 10 20 evga is fine
nocturne drift
Oof.
lofty light
And my 2080ti just died due to the 2080ti artifacting issue
nocturne drift
Yeah evga is actuality so bad (except KP) but it's masked by their excellent customer service
plucky token
We had mountains of ded evga gpu
i fried 2 of em
nocturne drift
And my 2080ti just died due to the 2080ti artifacting issue
That's prob micron 1st rev vram
lofty light
The fact you could take them apart and stay under warranty was great too
lofty light
That's prob micron 1st rev vram
Yup think so it's a reference board
plucky token
it overheated for some unknown reason. thats why i ended up both side watercooling it
nocturne drift
Yup think so it's a reference board
Yeah that's an Nvidia micron L
lofty light
My 1080 ftw had the power caps explode
plucky token
glad i still had my old 1080 for the time my 3080 was in repair
lofty light
I got a solder guy in town to replace all the caps but it still doesn't work so I think it's dead dead
nocturne drift
F
plucky token
next gpu is probably an Asus one
plucky token
I'm not keen to touch Asus again after the recent GN vids
huh. what happend
lofty light
All my mobos have been Asus since 2013
quick locust
Havent had the same brand twice in a row
quick locust
Yeah evga is actuality so bad (except KP) but it's masked by their excellent cus...
Better than biostar
light wave
glad, i got EU rights and they cant do shit about that <:LULW:742136361859154090...
How does it feel to be able to remove the "warranty" sticker?
turbid verge
next gpu is probably an Asus one
I got an Asus TUF 3070. No complains from me
plucky token
How does it feel to be able to remove the "warranty" sticker?
good
toxic wigeon
I can't wait to buy a gpu with powerful 3d acceleration!!! 
molten flame
nocturne drift
I like asus. Also GN is too cult like.
Asus consistently have the best pcb on Gpu.
Best ddr5 memory trace
candid flame
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900m-high-end-mobile-navi-31-gpu-feat...
oh wow, lucky for me I haven't paid for my 7600s laptop
prime jasper
Best ddr5 memory trace
Ehhhhhh you still have to binn them for that to be true.
nocturne drift
Ehhhhhh you still have to binn them for that to be true.
4 dimm hero does around 7400-7800. strix does 7200-7600. apex does 8000+
molten flame
I've heard of people achieving higher memory clocks on some A520/B550 motherboards than on X570
lost cargo
lol 😂
So FSR3 frame gen. Lowers the base fps cap then doubles it. Overall DLSS Frame Gen is still superior, with way better quality tbh. Less screen tear also.
RTX 40+ gen exclusive GPUs is the only downside for DLSS Frame gen.
molten flame
Having these software features all enabled at the same time can’t be stable
lost cargo
Also a ton of latency as well. The quality will be trash as well
toxic wigeon
Will 4 8 gigs of ddr5 cause a bottle neck still?
nocturne drift
yes
well idk bottleneck
but less performance
im not a nerd but buildzoid explained it last year
toxic wigeon
Ye fair.
Oh yeah what does the kingston fury SSD have over the 980 pro?
Would just plugging in a gen 4 SSD into a gen 3 slot just bottleneck it anyways?
Still usable but not at the speeds.
lofty light
So, I bought the 7900 XTX yesterday
And I just remembered I've got a gsync monitor
toxic wigeon
You can still internally limit the frames you should be fine.
lofty light
Yeah, but it's an expensive waste
naive shuttle
toxic wigeon
Oh I understand that, Manic.
When I got my desktop I didn't realise it didn't have gsync.
quick locust
gsync compatible or new module? Then you should still be able to use vesa sync /freesync
Old module monitors only had gsync and nothing else
Which monitor is it
lofty light
It's an older one, Acer X34P
quick locust
it does have VRR
Adaptive Sync provides artifact-free performance. It is compatible with both NVIDIA® G-Sync® and AMD FreeSync™ technologies when used in combination with select NVIDIA/AMD graphics cards.
You're luckier than me, since mine only has Gsync with old module 😛
lofty light
Oh thank god whew
lofty light
Bad luck for you though rip
molten flame
It’s hard for my eyes to adjust to a new monitor, even if it looks better than my old one
prime jasper
4 dimm hero does around 7400-7800. strix does 7200-7600. apex does 8000+
Thats still not that good. Just about any x670/b650/a620 can do that. Also you still gotta binn apex’s to get 8k stable. Asus is actually pretty bad board to get still. Intel lan chips are hella trash. (Cheap asfk) the only reason why asus is not dead last in boards atm is because of pmic unlock and gdm option. Thats it. Only 2 features makes asus even relevant to get. Also only 2 boards have eclk
prime jasper
I've heard of people achieving higher memory clocks on some A520/B550 motherboar...
Yee b550 is more updated overall. 9/10 they oc much better than x570’s
Only reason why people say there chip oc better on asus is because they have 0 clue what they are doing (a sus auto volts go brr ever since z87 days)
toxic wigeon
Hey say I get a second ssd and intend to make that the boot drive, must I format my original boot drive?
And if I I swap over the ssd slots. Does the motherboard read slot 1 as the boot drive or recognise the boot drive in a different slot?
quick locust
The UEFI looks for a drive with a bootloader on it
Through a list of drives
Should find OS regardless of where it is
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah so it has a flag on it.
quick locust
yes
toxic wigeon
Even if it's on the second slot the system will go oh its there and load it off that.
quick locust
yep
toxic wigeon
Perfect.
quick locust
though if you have bootloader on both drives
it will pick the first it finds
in the list
toxic wigeon
Ye so if in number 1 it was go to that first.
quick locust
yeah, can change it if needed
toxic wigeon
And I don't need to format ANYTHING nor change much at all.
quick locust
which means it will pick your original drive if it is higher in the list and you havent formatted it or removed bootloader
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah.
I think when I'm in BIOS i'll understand what's better said. I remember in a video the guy has like a boot set.
toxic wigeon
Augh what is it called its that one that gives you view of all the drives in and is used to set the drives.
quick locust
this?
toxic wigeon
Err no
toxic wigeon
Disk manager!
Yes!
Do I have to set it with disk manager first before doing BIOS stuff?
Or is that its own thing.
quick locust
seperate
toxic wigeon
Okay!
Figured if I'm gonna get a gen 4 sdd I'm gonna take absolute full advantage of it.
quick locust
You can also format the other drive while inside of the windows media tool for install
nocturne drift
Thats still not that good. Just about any x670/b650/a620 can do that. Also you s...
Why are you comparing am5 board with Z790 board?
Apex Z790 is the best for ram OC on Intel side. It's pretty much universal. My hero can do 7600 no problem on a 4 dimm.
On Intel side Asus is first.
Idk about amd side as there is no reason to run 8k with desync for games
Plus at 8k it's not just binning mobo, it's also binning memory controller and the ram itself.
Whole new rabbit hole.
quick locust
One I will step into once I get newer platform
still on z390 lol
considering supermicro z790
nocturne drift
Only mobo comes close to apex is tachyon with its big eatx
nocturne drift
<:Deadge:1113612761113579521>
nocturne drift
My z490 dark can't even go over 4000 2x16 samsung bdie.
quick locust
aka no more evga motherboards
nocturne drift
That's good.
quick locust
back when RAM cost a ton of money 
nocturne drift
Z690 era highest I got was z690 strix g and Aorus master both walling at 6666
quick locust
i believe it was around 3500 kr
ah
I should upgrade soon but it just costs quite a bit
prime jasper
Why are you comparing am5 board with Z790 board?
Its going to be the same
Not like they have vastly different shit.
I was comparing amd side since its bit more relevant (not to the convo, just what everyone is looking at)
Didnt know people still get intel for high end
Xocers just use what ever bin they have left for daily
nocturne drift
Interesting u think that as alot of high end user go intel.
prime jasper
Interesting u think that as alot of high end user go intel.
Must be single player game enjoyers
Which is no where near the vast majority
nocturne drift
Really?
prime jasper
Yeah, my 7800x3d falls flat on its face on low draw call games (single player)
Am4 on phase wrecks it
nocturne drift
My tuned 13900ks wipes the floor against my friend's 7800X 3D in fortnite, Destiny 2 and 2042
I thought people tested single player X3D beats intel even tuned.
Like HZD
prime jasper
My tuned 13900ks wipes the floor against my friend's 7800X 3D in fortnite, Desti...
Because your friend is a scrub (no offense)
Im typically double the fps than ks users
In basically most multiplayer games
Gotta have amd cpu + amd gpu and badass hynix
Then the magic works
Amd cpu + nvidia = ks has a chance
Bar on double amd hits hardddd
nocturne drift
Bar is on by default in mobo's
pale quartz
And I don't need to format ANYTHING nor change much at all.
it's not that easy, things never are
prime jasper
Bar is on by default in mobo's
toxic wigeon
it's not that easy, things never are
Nah it never is.
pale quartz
the OS has syslinks that are virtual folder links that it uses to map the addresses, if the second drive does not have the same ones, you will need to reset them
toxic wigeon
I hope w10 is linked to my motherboard.
pale quartz
it's not to do with the OS, it's the drive itself
an OS does not link to a motherboard
nocturne drift
I get this all the time
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962069433893941...
I get the opposite. I haven't seen a 7800X 3D build comes close to my 13900ks yet esp in lows in destiny 2 and 2042.
prime jasper
I get the opposite. I haven't seen a 7800X 3D build comes close to my 13900ks ye...
I believe it. 98% of people dont know what the fuck they are doing
quick locust
Me be like
nocturne drift
What can u do to a 7800X 3D
prime jasper
What can u do to a 7800X 3D
Lets go in a lobby together. 50$ paypal gift says i can beat you in fps
nocturne drift
What lobby
nocturne drift
What's afghan simulator in portal
prime jasper
Check it out, its fun
nocturne drift
What's ur gpu?
People tested already.
If u say HZD or shadow of tomb raider I will lose. My tune does nothing
And he did this on earlier bios which u can jack memory voltage which he achieved 6200 synced
Also if u know what u are doing show us ur zen timings
prime jasper
Ill downclock to 1500mhz
Mmm that might be little low
Even if you had a 4090, still wouldnt have a chance in hell
nocturne drift
I'm actually curious how about this u free rn? Let's test regardless
U can walk me the portal? 2042 isn't my main
Here is my tune
P core is at 5.7ghz
Im very confident
prime jasper
https://imgur.com/a/WfZgqlI
Not bad. Ns is a lil high
Atm im at work
Tonight im free tho
nocturne drift
Not bad. Ns is a lil high
It's 13th gen
10th gen I am at 38ish
Oh and trefi can be alot higher I didn't bother as I stopped chasing dragon this year and moved on to a new hobby
What's ur zen timings?
I wanna see what's someone know what they are doing
prime jasper
I wanna see what's someone know what they are doing
Sure but its not what you think. For zen5 you gotta match harmonics and not just shoot for low like am4/intel
I daily 58.8ns
Ill post when i get home
nocturne drift
Sure but its not what you think. For zen5 you gotta match harmonics and not just...
Oh I know. 58.8 is already impressive.
Tested them all except am5
Cause the hobby change
prime jasper
Tested them all except am5
Dodged a bullet
Am5 prob one of the least satisfying platforms to oc
Frustrating
nocturne drift
Dodged a bullet
No I didn't
Z790 is a rpg
Here is an one hr rant by buildzoid
He oc am5 just fine
And some one tested max oc already
prime jasper
Here is an one hr rant by buildzoid
Bz isnt good with am5 lol
He is with am4
But he is still stuck on monkey brain “lower = better”
Frame chaser is a total fucking goon
nocturne drift
That's what everyone says, but he mess with both intel and amd platform all the time while earning money.
He prob have knowledge and tested alot of cpus.
The numbers are there and if u look at the video. AMD did super well.
U gotta admit sometimes intel wins some times amd wins, and in the games I play, intel wins. Except HZD. I play HZD for meme.
prime jasper
Intel wins in situational parts of high draw call games. Source engine/low draw call games intel kills it
nocturne drift
And if u are having trouble with single player games then maybe there is smth wrong with ur system as it should walk over Intel
quick locust
Its good that there is competition, improves both companies and our situation
nocturne drift
Except bandwidth meme games like starfield
Literally a bandwidth test in a form of a game
prime jasper
And if u are having trouble with single player games then maybe there is smth wr...
Not at all. Intel would win since its clock speed in basic basic games
Same ipc, just higher bandwidth and clock speed
Simple games i should say
If 13900ks dont pass me in source game, then yikes
nocturne drift
I mean average of a stock 13900ks is what? Less than 5% slower than 7800X3D both at 6000?
I don't see how overall intel can't get that back with p core oc and ring clock oc and way higher ram bandwidth oc
quick locust
New gpu drivers today
nocturne drift
Its good that there is competition, improves both companies and our situation
Imagine if ai is all cpu instead
prime jasper
I don't see how overall intel can't get that back with p core oc and ring clock ...
Its possible for sure
Just shut down them e-waste cores
nocturne drift
Just shut down them e-waste cores
Don't have to. Ring clock can go over 5ghz with them on and I can run bs like icue dj akademiks talking his crap discord etc in the background worry free
prime jasper
Don't have to. Ring clock can go over 5ghz with them on and I can run bs like ic...
You dont fuck with lasso?
nocturne drift
I'm on Intel, why would I do lasso? I ain't steaming
nocturne drift
That's fine. The ring clock is pinned at 5ghz. If I have 12th gen I'd turn off e cores for sure
prime jasper
Ballsy man
prime jasper
Lol true true
nocturne drift
Nah e cores is lit 13th gen. Ring clock still goes brrr. I remember about 15 12th gen cpu I messed with last year they wall low low 4ghz with them on.
Big L
prime jasper
Yeah just to pass basic oc zen3 you gotta turn off e-waste cores on 12th gen
Shit was a meme
Still on 13th gen we force people to turn it off in star citizen
Big fps increase
nocturne drift
Oh yeah I heard about that.
prime jasper
Had people ree’ing at me saying “yeah my 5800x pass’s my 12900k in most games”
I mean people really came out of the wood works
nocturne drift
True. People think I am delusional when I beat their stock 5600x with a 8700k and walked all over them with 4000 cl15 flat 10850k vs their Pbo 2 5ghz browsing chrome 5950X
I negative curve optimize each 16 cpu core and use core cycler and daily driving to find stability 💀
People think they skatterbencher
prime jasper
True. People think I am delusional when I beat their stock 5600x with a 8700k an...
Idk about that. My 5.7ghz 8086k got its shit kicked in by my 5800x
That was at 4700 cl16
nocturne drift
That was at 4700 cl16
Stock 5600x vs 8700k at 5.1ghz 3866 cl15
My 700 dollar build in early 2022 for my friend
Early 2022 was a meme time
It features hyper Evo 212 and some delid
quaint kestrel
Version 4885
What gpus
nocturne drift
Oh wait not even 3866 c15 it was a garbo mobo and was walling at 3200 cl14
Gigabyte gmaing x z390
quaint kestrel
Why would anyone even get a 5600x
nocturne drift
Cause it's a great option in early 2022
pale quartz
you realise the 5600, didnt exist when the x came out?
nocturne drift
Around 10 bucks difference here and u don't see 5600 second hand anywhere
quaint kestrel
you realise the 5600, didnt exist when the x came out?
Early 2022
5600 was released then
pale quartz
it was released after the 5600x
quaint kestrel
Around 10 bucks difference here and u don't see 5600 second hand anywhere
30-40+ here usually
quaint kestrel
it was released **after** the 5600x
Yes but you realize that he said early 2022
When 5600 was alr released
pale quartz
do you need basic reading comprehension, he is talking about the price difference, when it came out was nothing between them
which is correct
he's not talking about now
nocturne drift
In fact I am doing another 600 dollar build possibly and 5600X looks like a good choice as its around 100 usd in marketplace
pale quartz
..
nocturne drift
Or Microcenter
quaint kestrel
as if 5600x's weren't on sale in the second hand market
Talking new
nocturne drift
Or basically anywhere
quaint kestrel
as if 5600x's weren't on sale in the second hand market
Talking about this
“Not the brightest bulb”
compares used 5600x pricing to brand new 5600 pricing
pale quartz
.., the 5600x came out 8 months before the 5600, which is why second hand 5600's didn't exist in Q1 2022, because it just came out
you understand release dates yes?
quaint kestrel
.., the 5600x came out 8 months before the 5600, which is why **second hand 5600...
Obviously
But i never mentioned second hand pricings
Yes
pale quartz
and your comparison is stupid because products are not at MSRP 8 months at release
quaint kestrel
Im talking about brand new in box not used not opened
quaint kestrel
Not second hand 5600x pricing vs brand new 5600 lol
quaint kestrel
Also i gave you the price for 5600x which was 299 usd and 199usd for 5600 on release
100 cheaper from 5600x
pale quartz
pale quartz
ok can you stop typing so I can explain this in simple terms so you understand
because you keep typing useless stuff
quaint kestrel
Ok prove yourself to be more wrong
pale quartz
the 5600x was 300 on release, it was not 300 when the 5600 came out, it was 240-250, because it was 8 months after, which is why there was no value difference between the SKUs, in Q1 2022
quaint kestrel
pale quartz
the failure to understand time is annoying
quaint kestrel
the failure to understand time is annoying
The fact that you proved yourself wrong
In your own post
Is extremely funny
199 brand new on launch for 5600
pale quartz
..?
pale quartz
ok..?
quaint kestrel
pale quartz
are you being intentionally dumb? Mazda literally said a 40 difference
quaint kestrel
Also the price was higher pretty sure
pale quartz
no, it wasnt
quaint kestrel
are you being intentionally dumb? Mazda literally said a 40 difference
No im just saying that you were wrong about there being no difference
pale quartz
$40 for a gimped processor is no difference lol
quaint kestrel
do you need basic reading comprehension, he is talking about the price differenc...
.
pale quartz
it's inferior quality in all metrics
quaint kestrel
If youre on a budget why waste 40 on a processor that has 0.2ghz faster turbo
molten flame
new Apex Encore
quaint kestrel
Its like half of a decent psu
molten flame
@icy arrow
quaint kestrel
pale quartz
because the 5600's boost clock is shit and that's what counts for zen 3
quaint kestrel
because the 5600's boost clock is shit and that's what counts for zen 3
Are you deranged
pale quartz
..
pale quartz
no.. my guy it's not, it's a cutdown 5600x lol
the core bin quality is significantly worse
quaint kestrel
You can put the turbo speed for 5600 to same turbo
pale quartz
and it requires more voltage and outputs more heat to achieve that same turbo, because it's not the same processor
quaint kestrel
pale quartz
idk where you got your information from
quaint kestrel
and it requires more voltage and outputs more heat to achieve that same turbo, b...
It is
quaint kestrel
Since the Ryzen 5 5600X and the 5600 are based on similar DNA, it's no surprise that the chips are identical regarding performance. The synthetic benchmarks reveal that the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X is only about 1% slower than the costlier variant. This difference is spotted across single-core and multi-core performances.
Paying half of 100 dollars more for that
pale quartz
are you not going to answer the question
quaint kestrel
Deco
Why did we start this topic
It was about price
You said
There was no difference
Between 5600x and 5600 on launch of 5600
pale quartz
and me and Mazda were correct, because $40 for that cost differential, is nothing
quaint kestrel
Which there was and there is and which you even proved yourself
pale quartz
not your 100 magic difference you made up
and unsurprisingly you're wrong once again about it being the same processor
because you don't have a clue what you're talking about
pale quartz
..? dude I'm literally offering to explain to you how core binning works
and why it's not the same chip
if you want to continue acting this ignorant, then that's not my problem
quaint kestrel
Ok dude pay more for practically same performance you wont even notice ingame
Makes sense in a budget pc
You could get a pq650m for 80-90
Which is half of that youre putting into x
With no significant performance siff
If any at all
100% sure that the max performance diff was 3% which is like 2-3 fps
pale quartz
nobody is buying a 5600, which just came out, for a budget pc lol
that value is fucking terrible
why the hell are you spending 200 for a processor which loses to a 12400f, which is cheaper
quaint kestrel
nobody is buying a 5600, which just came out, for a budget pc lol
You make no sense now
Why would you buy a 5600x for 2fps more
pale quartz
because budget people are not buying this processor? which you made up again?
quaint kestrel
5600 is cheaper than the 5600x with same performance figures practically
nocturne drift
If I'm on a budget why would I buy new standalone processor instead of a bundle or second hand?
quaint kestrel
because budget people are not buying this processor? which you made up again?
Its one of the best budget options currently fyi
pale quartz
and 2022 isn't 2023 is it
quaint kestrel
dude makes no sense trying to walk round in circles
Wdym
Pretty blatant that youve been wrong the entire time
Youve proved yourself wrong
I proved you wrong
nocturne drift
Bro u proved nobody wrong man
quaint kestrel
5600 is cheaper than 5600x on 5600 release= true
5600 has same performance figure as 5600x = true
Wrong where
Show me
Youve said nothing that defeated this argument
pale quartz
quaint kestrel
Deco went after cpu binnings because he was blatantly wrong and had to escape the convo onto a new topic
Youre still trying to fiddle in second hand parts vs store bought pricings
nocturne drift
Sure.
quaint kestrel
just ignore him he'll go away eventually
“Not saying anything anymore l o l….”
nocturne drift
But I've lost interest in hardware tho. I'm a table tennis guy now.
quaint kestrel
So nice to pull the same strings
nocturne drift
That article is cool tho
pale quartz
it's very interesting for FPGA's as alternative ISAs for emulation were always computationally terrible
but this once is half decent, we'll see where it goes
nocturne drift
I just hope amd do well next release so Nvidia don't charge 58584849 for Blackwell
pale quartz
oh that's happening even if Radeon magically beat them
Nvidia don't even see AMD as a competitor half the time
nocturne drift
I hear top Blackwell is single die not mcm cause amd not trying? Just rumor
Amd chilling on handhelds, consoles man
Steam decks, rog ally
pale quartz
BL top die was always a bs rumour there was no MCM consumer die
it has always been monolith
nocturne drift
That's why I get a second hand 4090
Watch them price it 3000 so 4090 price don't drop
pale quartz
just dumb assumptions same thing happened with ampere and turing
3000 isn't unrealistic
2500-3000 I'd expect is the price range
if they go cheaper the 4090 looks like decent value and that's not a good thing
nocturne drift
Oh no way haha I'm expecting at least 2k
OK ima go.
U have a good day/night man
pale quartz
ye u2
molten flame
Blackwell can go up to 192 SMs with 512-bit bus supposedly
yields for that would be bad imo
imagine a chip like that, only get a few per wafer on 3nm
prime jasper
That's why I get a second hand 4090 <:OMEGALUL:562440529573576714>
Just get xtx
A real upgrade
candid flame
7900xtx is only around 4080's level
lost cargo
5090 is finna be crazy
candid flame
delayed 
light wave
delayed <a:pepe_laugh:1017515898870956154>
2025, right?
candid flame
Yeah
prime jasper
the core bin quality is significantly worse
Actually not, 5600 none x OC's better. Just like 5700x over the 5800x
The same happened on late batches of 3600's
3600 late batch ended up being the fastest zen2 to OC
I tried out the late batches and they destroyed my xt's.
amd is a bit worse when it comes to product placement than intel.
But imma head out of this discord, I can tell no one and specing for battlefield
keen token
plush basin
Yo I've got two 2K 165Hz monitors.. looking at replacing the hmdi for a display port. Is it a gimmick if I just opt for a 1.4 cable?
Reading that 2k high refresh rate requiring a DisplayPort2.0 rather..
I wonder if it will relieve my GPU's clock speed being fkn ran through on anything higher than 60hz
nvm it's something to do with LCD and CRU resoltion blanking rather rather
pale quartz
Yo I've got two 2K 165Hz monitors.. looking at replacing the hmdi for a display ...
if you are on an nvidia card you cannot use DP 2.0, it is limited to DP 1.4, only RDNA3 cards support displayport 2.0 and 2.1
plush basin
Ok, thanks.
plush basin
if you are on an nvidia card you cannot use DP 2.0, it is limited to DP 1.4, onl...
I'm RDNA2 rx 6800
So max is 1.4 i'm assuming
pale quartz
yes, its limited to DP 1.4 DSC
RDNA3 only supports DP 2.0 and 2.1, no other consumer cards do
plush basin
RDNA3 only supports DP 2.0 and 2.1, no other consumer cards do
Quality is subjective to manufacturers choice of material?
braided>pvc
pale quartz
im not sure what youre asking
plush basin
other than those kinds of things any displayport cable from any brand is fine?
pale quartz
the brand isnt what matters, its the certification of the cable
plush basin
I'm willing to pay for longevity. The DP cable that came with my monitors fk'd up in about 1.5 years
plush basin
the brand isnt what matters, its the certification of the cable
oh ok. thanks
pale quartz
DP 2.1 cables are certified meaning they run at that bandwidth, which yes means they are typically higher quality, they're also more expensive as a result
if its cheap then chances are its a scam, use due diligence
plush basin
if its cheap then chances are its a scam, use due diligence
Thanks for the info mate
pale quartz
sure thing
plush basin
But I'm RDNA2 from 2020
pale quartz
the displayport standard is backwards compatible
it will automatically default to 1.4
plush basin
Dang.. my card only supports DP 1.4a
oh wait NVM
Didn't read properly.
Goiung with this one. Thanks for your help @pale quartz
👍
pale quartz
that is a DP 1.2 cable my guy, not a 2.1
lofty light
Do any of you know where I'd be able to find those desk cable cages?
plush basin
that is a DP 1.2 cable my guy, not a 2.1
Damn, mb I need to freakin double check these things.
lofty light
Been thinking of getting new longer cables and a cage for them but I don't even know where to start looking lol
lofty light
thanks bruv
pale quartz
np
plush basin
np
Whats your opinion on the current common/popular GPU's maxing out clock speed while using high resolutions? I assume they've fixed that since 2020/2021?
pale quartz
Whats your opinion on the current common/popular GPU's maxing out clock speed wh...
not sure what you're asking, all GPUs max out their clock because core clocks are not the same across different GPU architectures
plush basin
not sure what you're asking, all GPUs max out their clock because core clocks ar...
Oh ok
pale quartz
if you're referring to core clocks at idle, yes that's been mostly resolved, it's a CRU firmware issue that exists
and in general exists because having multi monitors work simultaneously with idle clocks is extremely difficult, especially if they are different vendors or resolutions, or refresh rates
plush basin
and in general exists because having multi monitors work simultaneously with idl...
Right ok
plush basin
Does fullscreen borderless affect any fps?
pale quartz
yes
plush basin
if you're referring to core clocks at idle, yes that's been mostly resolved, it'...
Vram clock mb
candid flame
Bruh
mild comet
I will never buy exynos
quick locust
Why not
quick locust
Uh oh rumour mills
candid flame
can it run crysis
random summit
Guys, I can’t launch my battlefield 5. Nothing pops up. I tried everything.
hollow sierra
Same, mine just straight crashes my entire pc whenever it opens
Any answers would be good, I'd like to actually play
pale quartz
Same, mine just straight crashes my entire pc whenever it opens
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pale quartz
we can't help you here
tepid pawn
I was just about to talk about this
I'm looking to buy an AMD laptop
I found the ASUS TUF A16 or smth with an RX 7600S
quick locust
Nice
tepid pawn
I saw perf metrics and it can hold up pretty well to the 4060 laptop despite having a lower wattage
The price is also really attractive
Considering a RTX 4050 laptop goes for about 30,000 THB, the RX 7600S laptop goes for 37,000 THB -- a good amount less than 4060 laptops, *40,000-50,000 THB
quick locust
Hmm seems good
pale quartz
from a technical standpoint the laptop is fine, you'll be hard pressed to find a closer comparison for the price
closest would be the Zephyrus
tepid pawn
I got the price a little wrong there, I edited it. But it's still quite a difference
candid flame
that 7600s laptop is really nice
framework has a 7700s one but it's like 3000$
so fuck that lol
tepid pawn
Yeah
tepid pawn
The lower end of the 4060 laptop price is about 38,000 THB, going up as high as almost 70,000 THB
tepid pawn
That's what I was thinking
Speaking of AMD...
Fluid Motion Frames
The driver-level frame gen thingy majig
candid flame
still in beta and is quite shit tbh but it should be better next year
it only increases frame when you don't look around too quickly in-game, basically useless for FPS games
pale quartz
it's fine for this laptop
candid flame
it doesn't have access to the game's motion vector
pale quartz
it doesn't have VRR for this laptop and it doesn't support HDR, AFMF is serviceable
but don't go relying on it as per noted
candid flame
if you play something slow then it's pretty nice
tepid pawn
candid flame
don't play like DOOM or turn it on in bf lol
pale quartz
camera sensitivity won't do anything
it's to do with what's going on ingame, not what's going on in screen
tepid pawn
ohhh
pale quartz
you can't prevent AFMF turning off it's a feature rather than an issue, for now anyways
tepid pawn
I suppose the RX 7600S produce good enough fps on 2042 anyway
I hope the tech gets better
candid flame
a 1650 can get you good frame in 2042
tepid pawn
FMF made me want to switch to AMD
candid flame
that 7600s has a ryzen 9 cpu right
tepid pawn
Yeah, honestly any new laptop is better than my current
But even my current is still pulling 60 frames on all games
Without major sacrifices too
But I do use upscaling and dynamic res to achieve it at times
pale quartz
it's fine for what you're wanting, you do get AV1 encode and decode support aswell with RDNA3, isn't much reason for the price not to that I can see
tepid pawn
I've never been so confident is a product choice before with all this reinforcement
Hahaha
candid flame
just go for it, if you wait any longer and they release the next hot thing like 2 days after your purchase you will be pissed
tepid pawn
if I get it on discount I wouldn't mind it too much
But I don't even know when I'd be able to get it, I've been taking my time and considering my options carefully for months
pale quartz
there's no guarantee it goes on discount, and beware of stock issues for laptops, there's a good chance it will be out of stock sooner than you think
candid flame
I got my current laptop with an i7 10750h because the ryzen version was out of stock, literally a week after I got it the ryzen one was in stock again
pale quartz
and if it does you're waiting months for it to come back in stock
tepid pawn
candid flame
I was so fucking pissed
pale quartz
very unlikely it goes on discount whatsoever
candid flame
the 10th gen i7 is so shit
tepid pawn
I'll let you know if and when I get it
Cuz the situation is a little difficult to explain
Well actually, I'm waiting for money and I'll buy what's available.
I've waited more than 4 years for the day to upgrade
I'll take anything
I've had all this time to consider my options and it could still change
plucky token
the 10th gen i7 is so shit
9th gen I9 
plucky token
Doodoo processor
nocturne drift
???
10th gen intel is awesome.
The most reliable platform and processors ever lol
I think yall talking about 11th gen
molten flame
14th gonna be reliable like 10th
nocturne drift
nah nothing will be as reliable as 10th gen
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
6th 7th 8th 9th 10th of maturarity
quick locust
Tiger lake was good, rocket lake less so 😛
midnight crypt
umbral crater
AMD IS SUPREME
tepid pawn
candid flame
new preview driver update enables AFMF for rx 6000 cards
tepid pawn
I saw they specifically state for desktop rx 7000 and 6000 cards, right?
When's laptop support coming
candid flame
it's also available for laptop cards
brave sundial
tepid pawn
it's also available for laptop cards
Brilliant
High refresh rate monitors on laptops will finally have a use
candid flame
a whole 100$ discount? damn
turbid verge
quick sell them before the intel 14th gen drops next week lol
because the 13th gen will drop price meanwhile
smart move
turbid verge
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8-core-gaming-cpu-is-currently-a...
I've been looking at this CPU for gaming recently since Iam upgrading, although we dont get these discounts in EU 
nocturne drift
Why u specifically looking for a 7700s laptop?
candid flame
because it's good
nocturne drift
Isn't intel counterpart as good or better?
candid flame
oh I mean the gpu
candid flame
framework has one that ships to Europe but it's way too expensive
400$ for the gpu expansion and like 3000$ for the laptop
and you can't upgrade the cpu
nocturne drift
💀
molten flame
Zen 5 around the corner
molten flame
iirc it's possible to launch Zen 5 in early 2024 but that's if they use 4nm instead of 3nm
dry pike
There is always a new CPU right around the corner that makes the current one stupid to buy. Using that logic, just don't buy anything 😄
turbid verge
Esp 7800X3D is Hella on sale rn
most likely it will be end of this month
just putting all together :p
quick locust
There is always a new CPU right around the corner that makes the current one stu...
Just keep 8700K forever
dry pike
It might not be the newest lake, but it will always be made of coffee
plucky token
quick locust
always stays fresh
mortal owl
turning 6 e cores off on battle field dont effect game play using 13600kf < no need for all 14 cores to run the game, just keep hyper threading on
pastel field
Might snipe the moonlight color true wireless next payday so I can blast BF themes on ultra high quality
turbid verge
those are weird looking and pricy lol
pastel field
those are weird looking and pricy lol
m00nlight
I already got 2 of em
1 for casually going out
1 for gaming
need 1 more for workout session
mortal owl
Ew rog 🤣
Literally have a mouse made by them.thats literally a paper weight due to firmware being so dogshit
And they refused to refund me.either 🤣🤣
Or compensate for their shitty update screwing the mouse 🤣
lost cargo
Rog is not my cup of tea
light wave
Or compensate for their shitty update screwing the mouse 🤣
Their peripherals are shit tbh
Other stuff is fine from my experience so far
nocturne drift
Scored a 1080ti for 50 bucks
Gonna build my friend a 650 usd pc with 5600x3d 4x8 ram and 1080ti
lament plank
Niiice
lofty light
My 7900XTX came in the mail this morning
Excited as hell to get home this evening and put it together with my PC
Maybe I'll boot up ARK and see if I can get over 60fps now
lofty light
I had a bunch of these in my PC when I took it apart and they've not worked for a while
Turns out the LEDs had actually gotten so hot they'd melted the rubber/plastic above them and burnt out
quick locust
Rip
quick locust
My 7900XTX came in the mail this morning <:pogrich:797383861801582622>
Sweet ^^
quick locust
Sweet
nocturne drift
1999mhz at 1025mv +800 on vram
nocturne drift
This is a blower card and it's core temp is only 75 and hotspot 90
Using arctic mx6
Absolutely crazy
pastel field
molten flame
pastel field
@pallid grotto time to do a little bit of trolling
Not sure if your playstation is compatible with an Xbox controller
sharp void
anybody getting crashes on PC after S6 update directly to desktop without any error report?
candid flame
how much is the rtx 3050 again? 
molten flame
performance where it needs to be
quick locust
Yea
molten flame
Bought a 3060 to replace 6600 because I couldn’t find a PCIe 4.0 riser that fit this case so I got a GPU that can use 16x 3.0 lanes
molten flame
Also wanted a GPU that fit snugly in this case
While not being too much of a pain in the ass
The 3rd fan on GPU will replace the zip-tied Noctua fan that I have blowing at PSU
molten flame
Eating box
molten flame
coarse nimbus
how much case do you want with your gpu?
eager gulch
Hey guys, i do own 3060ti and a 13600KF CPU and still cant maintain solid 60FPS, any reasons why?
quick locust
lost cargo
I don’t touch overclock…
dense urchin
Hey guys, i do own 3060ti and a 13600KF CPU and still cant maintain solid 60FPS,...
on what game
lost cargo
Also, at what resolution? Cuz 30 series isn’t meant for 4k gaming lol. 40 series is meant for 4k.
prime heart
god my game is broken
slim rapids
same mine wont even run
plain abyss
Ok after having trouble even downloading the update, the Game wont start no matter what i do. Tried to clean reinstall (launcher and Game) several times aswell as running as admin, Excluding .exe in firewall, installing new versions of C++ and NETFramework, repair game files, clear cache, repair easyanticheat and more. Nothing works. Yesterday my Pc installed a windows update and i have the feeling that might be the issue. whatever, i hope we get a Hotfix later this week addressing that issue
molten flame
lost cargo
AMD is tryna keep up with Nvidia lol 😂
quick locust
Shouldnt they? Lul
molten flame
AMD won't be able to keep up with Nvidia 512-bit GPU unless they pull miracle
candid flame
if they could improve AFMF, their mid-tier gpus would get a big lifespan extension
dry pike
AMD won't be able to keep up with Nvidia 512-bit GPU unless they pull miracle
More bits make gaming better now does it? 
unreal mountain
Is the rtx 4050 good ?
pale quartz
no
unreal mountain
Damn