Only if you find a cheapo one used I guess.
#technology
cloud lake
nab hardie, you forget the xbox is already half way through its life span
winged mantle
PS4 GO VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
terse glade
No
light wave
Only if you find a cheapo one used I guess.
Should I even bother enabling PBO?
I feel like I’ll be getting way higher temps for minimal performance gains
light wave
Trade noise for performance
Eh noise I don’t mind, as long as my PC doesn’t get toasty
quick locust
Unless you have an asus board with early bios version, you have functioning safeguards
😛
light wave
Unless you have an asus board with early bios version, you have functioning safe...
I’m running a X670E Hero board with almost the latest bios
V1516
quick locust
But yeah the gain is not linear, mostly pushing out the last bit
light wave
But yeah the gain is not linear, mostly pushing out the last bit
Right so totally not worth it, should I at least turn on the curve optimisers?
Didn’t have time to fiddle with 90% of the stuff I have in this board’s bios
quick locust
Curve optimizer for gpu? Yeah, small boost, don't expect anything big
light wave
Curve optimizer for gpu? Yeah, small boost, don't expect anything big
I think it was for the CPU, not sure though
I can send a few pics of the bios later on
quick locust
I never overclocked on AMD, so might have someone better to ask tbh
Only that PBO does better than anything manual unless you spend lots of time getting it right yourself
ivory creek
uh my cpu was stuck to the cpu cooler like concrete when i removed to switch cooler, so i used alittle too much force to remove it, now the computer wont boot with dual channel ram, only a single ram stick at the time works
rip
ill have to send it in for repair = no computer for over a week 😦
ive searched on it and several people have got the same problem when using the prism cooler that follows zen 2 cpus
the coolingpaste thats on there become hard as a rock
prime jasper
aw man that sucks
pale quartz
Should I even bother enabling PBO?
you will need it on as fmax single clock uses PBO for boosting, do not use the CO offset curve, it is highly sensitive to changes and you will take weeks having it in a stable condition
nocturne drift
Pbo is on by default lol
pale quartz
Pbo is on by default lol
I don't mean the default +100, custom switching it on to increase the boost range
pale quartz
oh gotcha
light wave
Oh I wasn't saying that to u.
Seems it was off
Had to set it to Enabled myself
@pale quartz should be fine now no?
pale quartz
<@162568099839606784> should be fine now no?
yes that's fine
pale quartz
Scored 1990 in Cinebench 2024
cinebench is useless ignore it
light wave
cinebench is useless ignore it
3dmark then?
pale quartz
they are all useless for your use case
they have no impact on game performance and boost clock behaviour does not function to what is reported
quick locust
light wave
they have no impact on game performance and boost clock behaviour does not funct...
I’m not only gaming
I got this specific cpu more for Revit/Autocad and other stuff like that
pale quartz
it will help you for those, the software, doesn't though
wet notch
well i just had an almost heart attack, i heard some crackling noises behind my monitor and suddenly monitor went all dead
i thought it was RIP
turned out it was just a cable that was a tad loose lol
midnight crypt
Just a tad
digital hill
why is autocad optomized on geforce lmao
So you don't experience them lag
celest mango
true
molten flame
Microsoft wants the next-gen Xbox to be more powerful than whatever flagship graphics card will exist at that time
molten flame
It’s very possible actually, just make a big chip
Just doesn’t make sense in terms of cost
molten flame
Ok wtf
The static electricity from my cat’s fur caused my graphics card to temporarily turn off for a split second and now the graphics driver uninstalled itself
She jumped on top of the case and lied down and it did this
quick locust
Fixed graph
molten flame
4090 is 2x faster than 4070 damn
nocturne drift
4090 is 2x faster than 4070 damn
Could be more if u use a faster cpu 
4090 is insanely fast even over 4080.
molten flame
nocturne drift
If ur cpu is fast enough
nocturne drift
I mean 7800X 3D will do. And the platform cost is nice.
Of course it won't beat tuned 13900k/ks on average but u need a decent mobo, a fan on ram and a nerd.
molten flame
Wonder how fast tuned RAM degrades
nocturne drift
No clue. None of the tuned ram I did broke yet.
But I use safe voltage
If u are jacking 1.6v to bdie D4 or adie D5 that's on u
molten flame
Lmao 1.6v just invest in ram waterblocks
nocturne drift
That's a thing actually
molten flame
Ye
nocturne drift
I actually found it funny how stupid some game scale with ram
molten flame
AMD isn’t interested in improving memory controllers, bet that Zen 5 can only do 6800 MT/s at best
nocturne drift
A customers 13900k at 5.5ghz all P core (stock) 6000 cl36 xmp pushed 170+ fps at sorrows harbor in destiny 2
Mine 13900ks at 5.7ghz all P core 7600 cl34 tuned pushed 230+ at the same spot looking at the exact same area.
And I have a way slower gpu 3090 vs 4080.
No wonder I walked over my friends 7800X 3D when we compared fps in D2.
molten flame
5+ years ago not many people cared about RAM speed/latency
nocturne drift
Tbh now looking back. The stuff I do in 2022 is nerdy af.
I still don't recommend people doing it unless they really know and have experience and know the risk of breaking stuff lol
molten flame
Modern DX12 games depend a lot more on overall system memory bandwidth than DX11 games
nocturne drift
Yeah
I decleared ddr4 irrelevant last year already
Well unless ur buying used or smth.
Older platform.
molten flame
nocturne drift
4070 is sht
molten flame
4070 cutdown too much
Surprised they didn’t cut the memory interface down to 160-bit too
molten flame
It has the same chip as 4070Ti but like 25% less cuda
nocturne drift
Ewwww
molten flame
4070 is just defect silicon
It’s insulting that a majorly cut-down chip is $100 more expensive than previous gen
storm osprey
@pale quartz you have your own monitors?!
dry pike
Deco monitors are all voxel based, ultra tall resolution, and 10.000 nits brightness
dry pike
Mine runs great 🙂
storm osprey
Its mlc and 7gb/s read, 5gb/s write
Hopefully you do more than just game.
Oh right, you’re in the region where the price for those are similar to other brands?
ivory creek
i found a video of someone saying that u can get problem with ur B section of ram if u got ur gpu seated wrong , so i tested reseating the gpu and cables properly and now my computer works fine
prior to that my computer wouldnt boot with any ram in b1 or b2
turbid verge
Hopefully you do more than just game.
compile code totally
toxic wigeon
OOo 980
toxic wigeon
That reminds me.
@pale quartz I'm seriously looking at getting a new secondary SSD soon, What intermediate SSD would you recommend getting that i can shove in (say] a b750 when the time comes?
pale quartz
<@162568099839606784> I'm seriously looking at getting a new secondary SSD soon,...
firecuda 530
toxic wigeon
It's all discontinuing!
storm osprey
I wouldn’t consider the firecuda 530 as intermediate
molten flame
Bought a leather mouse pad cuz I don’t like how fabric ones gather up dead skin and won’t come out even if I put it in washer machine
lofty light
That's why I've been using the hard plastic ones for years
You can wash those off easy as
cosmic warren
I just got a 1080 ti should i upgrade to 3070 soon
storm osprey
Bought a leather mouse pad cuz I don’t like how fabric ones gather up dead skin ...
Depends what pad you get. My aqua control 2 gets damn near close to brand new looking with a scrub in the tub with body soap. I think there’s a few that do this.
Look up “Hoya mousepad” for a mousepad data sheet that lists the durability, which includes what cleaning it does.
toxic wigeon
@cosmic warren Why you looking at a 3070? Cause of budget or what?
What res are you sitting at too.
cosmic warren
<@359946960561635338> Why you looking at a 3070? Cause of budget or what?
It's all i can afford ):
toxic wigeon
Oh nah that's understandable.
@cosmic warren what's your resolution?
Basically this. Unless you care about RT. I would heavily suggest a 6800xt.
candid flame
7800xt better 
toxic wigeon
I was looking at 3070 prices in microcentre and they're about the same price.
Oh fuck me the 7800xt is round about the same.
If it's the same price I would go for the 7800xt since drivers are being built around it on mind.
Vram is the same though.
quick locust
^ between 6800xt and 7800xt for clarification, not 3070
But yeah, would much much recommend 7800xt over 3070 if same price
Not even close
candid flame
it's also rdna 3 which will get full benefit of fsr 3
cosmic warren
1080p
toxic wigeon
Yeah. Get 7800xt.
You'll be set.
You'll get much more out it versus the 3070. And it costs just as much.
hearty storm
o/ everyone. running Pc / windows 10 ... when i launch BF2042 from desktop the launch take me back to portal. sometimes i can use the game option to "repair" and then the game will launch with no problem.; other times i must close EA out and relaunch. Sometimes, this works; other times it dont.. ANY help out here? ( i seem to notice, that the launch that fails, never bring up the ANTI CHEAT; however evey time the AntiCheat show thegame launches without hicup\
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molten flame
Ordered Corsair SF750, supposedly the best SFX PSU
candid flame
ray construction in cyberpunk 2077 looks kinda doodoo
tons of ghosting
everything in motion just looks muddy
molten flame
Count your days Amazon
Didn’t even put the PSU in a shipping box
Product packaging is destroyed
Not even gonna check it out
storm osprey
Tf is that
I know it’s your psu, but how did they ship it naked?
Now that I think about it, a lot of my tech from Amazon comes only in the box they manufacturer provides.
molten flame
$170 PSU should be protected
Great I have to wait until Monday to contact support
Also have to wait up to 30 days after Amazon receives it back to get refund
At that point I might as well open it and see if it works
I already been a week without PC but now looks like it could be a month…
storm osprey
if it works it works, amazon return is stupid generous so no harm in seeing if its good inside
dry pike
Postnord is currently 10 days late with delivering my new gaming chair. Yall are fine.
naive shuttle
Postnord is currently 10 days late with delivering my new gaming chair. Yall are...
Damn
That's kind of late
Lol
dry pike
Their business department promised they would finally manage to be there yesterday. But that too, was a lie.
midnight crypt
if you can pick any alternative to postnord
quick locust
PostNord memes
dry pike
if you can pick any alternative to postnord
Secretlabs didn't give me the option
edgy lynx
2 days ago I ordered the HyperX Cloud Alpha Black-Red headset, I'm so excited, my first HyperX headset and I watched a review and the dude said, that they're really good and highly recommended, too
so hyped, got em on a sale, too
(and a new mouse, but as the same one I have right now, G102 Lightsync black rgb, cause the scroll button is hard to press, especially in games where u need it to and it doesn't do anytthing)
I'm so hyped about the headset, dudeee
wednesday it was on sale, then friday next day it wasn't, I'm so lucky
wet notch
i got a hyperx headset too, had it for years tbh, best headset i ever got, so durable and never had any issues with it
I reckon you're gonna like yours too @edgy lynx
and i just have the original one
edgy lynx
ayyyyy good to hear, now I'm even more hyped hahah
molten flame
What’s the difference between a 970 Evo Plus that has components on just 1 side versus both sides?
dry pike
There are some cooling considerations as heat dissipating from the chips is easier if they touch a heat spreader - not that is matters much for gaming that typically don't have prolonged loads on the SSD.
Also, certain devices where space is very tight might have compatibility issues with double sided.
On the other side, double sided can allow for more capacity when you consider the length of the heatspreader.
edgy lynx
yesterday, by accident I got the ear muff or ear-something (idk how u call it) on the razer kraken 2019 current headset I have before the hyperx ones I ordered come and I had to watch a YouTube tutorial how to put it back on, cause it was pain the ass, literally
dry pike
*figuratively
unless you stuck the earcups or whatever in an unpleasant place
tepid pawn
dry pike
Silly cover - woman can't even figure out how to wear a jacket
primal pier
Women moment 
🍵
quick locust
Twitter
candid flame
midnight crypt
Frame generation does look a bit off for me
quick locust
ivory creek
since i switched cooler to nh-d15 i get like 4.2ghz on all core usage without me overclocking it
and if the core usage is lower it goes to 4.55ghz sometimes
on 3900x
some people seem to want to oc it and lock it to 4.2, idk why
pale quartz
some people seem to want to oc it and lock it to 4.2, idk why
do not do this
you will destroy your single core performance and this will degrade game framerates
leave it as is do not touch overclocking
ivory creek
ye, i wont. thanks for the tip tho
ivory creek
if i would oc it would be if i found a safe way to get it to 4.5ghz all core
ivory creek
the prism cooler that follows with ryzen 9 makes the cpu throttle after a while
nh-d15 never let that happen
pale quartz
well yeah it is the stock cooler
ivory creek
true
my cpu cant push 60fps in starfield with crowd density on high
thats why i was thinking about overclocking
i get like 56fps now
in populated areas
pale quartz
it doesn't make a difference lol
you are IPC limited not clock limited
zen 2 is a slow architecture, overclocking the processor won't increase your performance
pale quartz
yes more alternatively for your wallet scrap your system and get AM5 instead, it's faster and more or less near the same cost difference
7600x is faster than it in single core IPC
ivory creek
if i only upgrade the cpu i dont need to get expensive ddr5 memory and mobo
ivory creek
ah
pale quartz
you can get a quality kit for next to nothing, the boards are not expensive either
it's either that or you're spending at a minimum of 250 for a processor which can't be upgraded, so if you want to save yourself a expensive error, pay the difference now
but you do you, just trying to advise on your best option for next spending hundreds in a year or two
ivory creek
thanks for the headsup
i always thought the 5800x3d would be my cheapest upgrade
since i aim for 4k anyway
pale quartz
if you're aiming for 4k you definitely don't want the x3d
single core IPC is your biggest necessity not cache
dollar for dollar the x3d is more expensive of an option, it's already beat by the 7600x and you will end up in this same situation in a year or two with it
ivory creek
my 3900x is unable to push 60fps in 4k in larger towns like newatlantis as it is now
pale quartz
yeah so tldr the x3d is useless for your use case as when CPU limitations apply, it is IPC rather than cache, you want maximum single core so upgrade to AM5
it would be different if you were at 1080p or 1440p but 4k is an exception, so go for the 7600x/800x or x3d variants of zen 4
pale quartz
np
ivory creek
i was a diehard intel fanboy prior to this but now my mind is all set on amd cpus
amazing
molten flame
Zen 5 IPC +30% 
midnight crypt
Surely
molten flame
umbral crater
https://vxtwitter.com/sondesix/status/1706606596384751819?s=46
Smartest iPhone user
umbral crater
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466475063001219082/1156351886014812230/6w...
Finally i can cook eggs on iphone
True innovation
turbid verge
the true hidden feature
toxic wigeon
Reckon we'll have a fold iphone?
umbral crater
Reckon we'll have a fold iphone?
The screen will deteriorate after a day
turbid verge
Reckon we'll have a fold iphone?
I'll literally buy it lol
toxic wigeon
It's developed quite a bit.
turbid verge
you never owned a flip phone in your live 
toxic wigeon
I think microsoft tried to make their own fold phone but it wasn't good.
umbral crater
toxic wigeon
Touchy touchy.
turbid verge
the fold from google is actually underrated as fuck
but imo if you're a dude and dont have one of those bags to carry shit around
and use the pockets like me, a foldable is actually pretty solid
and now with these new gen with the square screen on the outside is pretty useful to check notification and even write quick replies
avoids self distraction 
candid flame
also cracks easy with a simple snap <:Pag:995797898337996882>
the most expensive chocolate bar
literally crack with just a little pinch 
molten coral
Reject modernity, return to BlackBerry
Blackberry bold 
brave sundial
the fold from google is actually underrated as fuck
Wake me up when Google stops relying on Samsung's garbage and overheating fabs
The s23 ultra dropped it and now it has battery life as good as the latest iPhone
Idk why they still even bother with semiconductors
I mean for budget devices I guess exynos is fine. But if I'm paying $1000 I expect my phone not to overheat just by doing a long call
dry pike
Any lovely DNS DNSSEC knowledgefilled nerd in here? 
ivory creek
from what ive read tons of x570 chipset fans go bad early because they dont have proper ballbearings
is there any easy way to fix a fan that make noises
my computer is entierly silent other than my brokenass chipset fan
midnight crypt
disable it
midnight crypt
if you have good air intake it shouldnt matter
ivory creek
k
midnight crypt
could always monitor the chipset temps just incase
pale quartz
Any lovely DNS DNSSEC knowledgefilled nerd in here? <:nomboins:10222010893716768...
what specifically about dnssec
dry pike
what specifically about dnssec
Intermittent errors causing the server to not be found. Set something up today and the website on the other end began having intermittent errors. I could litterally ping the domain and have it work, then ping again and have it not respond
pale quartz
Intermittent errors causing the server to not be found. Set something up today a...
depends on what you're using provider wise, the KSK shouldn't be the issue assuming you're manually implementing layer 5 on the end server
if you are trying to resolve the ZSK domain section instead it will not resolve correctly in this circumstance
pale quartz
Wake me up when Google stops relying on Samsung's garbage and overheating fabs
Samsung's nodes for fabs are absolutely fine lol, they have nothing to do with exynos thermal issues
and they never have
dry pike
depends on what you're using provider wise, the KSK shouldn't be the issue assum...
Moved DNS from 1 DNS provider to Cloudflare. I went to Cloudflare, enabled it, put the info from there into my registrar. Both reported it worked fine. Wonder if I should have kept the old DNSSEC setup on the registrar during the rollover to let it propagate properly.
Not a networking guy usually 😄
pale quartz
Moved DNS from 1 DNS provider to Cloudflare. I went to Cloudflare, enabled it, p...
oh, if you switched provider then yeah it won't propagate fully immediately so some resolvers will still trying to be routing to 1dns instead of cloudflare, most caches normally fully update themselves in 24 hours
as it's a subdomain cert some will succeed others will fail as each has different cache states, you won't get consistent results for the time being
dry pike
oh, if you switched provider then yeah it won't propagate fully immediately so s...
So you would say I should have kept both the old key and the new key on the registrar?
I read that I should have disable DNSSEC for 24 hours before the rollover, so I did that, but might not have been enough.
pale quartz
So you would say I should have kept both the old key and the new key on the regi...
yeah that's correct, DNSSEC unfortunately relies on the correct initial host resolving before the KSK initiates the encryption process (in other words, if the registrar changes its expected route, then this won't work for clients who are resolving via caches that aren't updated yet), it's why you're advised to disable it for 24 hours, but realistically all you can do now is wait for the resolvers to roll over
dry pike
yeah that's correct, DNSSEC unfortunately relies on the correct initial host res...
I actually just disabled DNSSEC again and everything just worked. Which was rather odd.
In any case, thanks for letting me poke around in your brain 🙂
pale quartz
sure thing
molten flame
from what ive read tons of x570 chipset fans go bad early because they dont have...
you can probably run X570 chipset without any heatsink on it at all tbh
the fans were unnecessary for the most part
vapid latch
molten flame
AMD Sarlak is a chiplet based (maybe even 3D) APU with 120W default TDP, 16 Zen5 CPU cores, iGPU with 40 RDNA3 compute units
it may never be a DIY product, likely to be only featured in OEMs and small prebuilt gaming machines
it definitely would be a console killer but not in terms of price
short pawn
how come my radeon boost games dont have the boost option in my drivers
i just sorta forgot that was a thing
ivory creek
rtx 4090 cant drive Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 cuz they cheaped out on the displayport version. its a 7680 × 2160 240hz
lmao
u need a amd gpu to use that monitor
candid flame
nvidia L? 
ivory creek
ye
u need displayport 2.1
maybe a 4090ti will be released to correct that misstake
😄
pale quartz
how come my radeon boost games dont have the boost option in my drivers
they do, RDNAs drivers from 29.3.> are consolidated under HYPR-RX due to the addition of anti lag+, you can find the settings there
opal furnace
dry pike
that looks expensive and heat generating 😄
toxic wigeon
HAHAHA
naive shuttle
Lol
molten flame
mild comet
Nvidia being anti-competitive? Who would have thunk <:haHAA:562440524741476381>
Nvidia is just way better than AMD and is absolutely crushing it. You can't blame Nvidia because AMD sucks lol
ivory creek
mild comet
"Wahhh Nvidia makes a better product and people are choosing it over crap AMD cards...we gotta SUE them!!"
DLSS 3.5 looks better and runs better. It's over for AMD.
candid flame
quick locust
"Wahhh Nvidia makes a better product and people are choosing it over crap AMD ca...
this is over AI/datacenter cards
not geforce
it has nothing to do with dlss or gaming in general lol
ivory creek
mild comet
I know I was just trying to start a fight
ivory creek
saved
nocturne drift
I'm just not interested in hardware anymore.
Also dlss 3.5 is azz on 2077
U can only use it if u enable path tracing.
I push less than 90-60 fps with path tracing on with 3090 at 1080p
That's with dlss quality
True on Ray reconstruction gives me 63-94? Bruh
Yes it looks slightly better but I'm turning path tracing off
Only viable if u have a 4090 or 4080 (4080 is pushing it)
But I'm enjoying phantom liberty tho at least so that's a dub
quick locust
But I'm enjoying phantom liberty tho at least so that's a dub
im enjoying it on an A770 lol
much lower spec
81-90 fps high preset
not going to even try PT 😂
well other than photo mode
nocturne drift
Yeah I have rtx psycho
Looks amazing tho
The cpu upgrade did f all cause hardcore gpu bottlenecked
quick locust
lol
ivory creek
ive never once turned on raytracing in a game lol
only dlss
even tho i have a 3090
candid flame
fsr 3 frame gen works on gtx 900 cards
ivory creek
i remember reading that screen space reflections at psycho in cyberpunk was as demanding as having rt on
lol
havent checked myself tho
ivory creek
awesome
candid flame
I just have the non-rt settings on ultra/high with dlss and it looks great
tried path tracing with ray reconstruction and ray reconstruction is just broken
lots of flickering and muddiness
ivory creek
i have everything at high and my fps howers up and down between 50-60
but at 4k
no dlss or anything tho
getting a 4k monitor was just a curse to be honest
quick locust
molten flame
midnight crypt
no
molten flame
Is a 4060 decent?
need PCIe gen4 motherboard for full performance
oak ibex
greek
nocturne drift
13900ks with new paint and new box
molten flame
maybe better memory controller
turbid verge
13900ks with new paint and new box
New 14th gen not worth it for gaming. Good for working load
storm osprey
ive never once turned on raytracing in a game lol
lego builders adventure ftw
candid flame
it has gsync but the 4090 can't run it?
candid flame
oh the driver-based frame gen for AMD is already out on beta
7900xtx gets 140fps with rt ultra (in cp2077)
ivory creek
so more and more people are saying that 540hz monitors looks clearer and gives an advantage in hightwitch games. wonder where it will stop
pale quartz
why would it not look clearer? it's literally a higher refresh rate
ivory creek
ye i dont doubt that, i just meant at which point will people stop looking for a higher refreshrate
pale quartz
never lol, there is no maximum the human eye can't see
molten flame
4060 and 4060Ti being discounted much more than RX 7600 and Arc
might possibly be Nvidia's worst selling generation lol
turbid verge
I would rather not call it worst selling generation
Proper term would be competition
midnight crypt
Nvidia is crutching hard on dlss to sell lower tier cards
toxic wigeon
@pale quartz Hey I'm having a bit of a bug. It says my CPU is overheating when I start up but it isn't.
Just then I was forced to restart my computer cause 2042 failed to launch, My computer says my 3080 was removed?
I feel like something is buggy with my motherboard.
limpid patio
(bf2042) Hey I wanted to change keybinds and it's not working when I clic it goes Mouse 7 (what even is it lol) so I cant put anything else, ive looked on google and cant find any solution, help pls
limpid patio
i cant bind anything and dont know what is mouse 7
it goes instantly mouse 7 when i try to change it
midnight crypt
The same button you used to bind it
midnight crypt
reset all keybinds then
limpid patio
you didnt get it it's ok
molten flame
turbid verge
Oh yeh this month releases the 14th gen intel
Finally the 13th gen wil drop so I can buy a 13700k
pale quartz
<@162568099839606784> Hey I'm having a bit of a bug. It says my CPU is overheati...
I'm on holiday just now, I'll get back to you when I'm home
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fine.,
prime jasper
This is the tech part of this discord right?
soo after some work yesterday with the new afmf launch. I found a way to get afmf to work in 2042 and it's the ONLY game that works flawlessly with afmf (fsr3 basically)
Doubles the fps what you already have. So if ANYONE has rdna3, PLEASE DOWNLOAD preview newly released driver.
candid flame
it doesn't work "perfectly"
afmf is disabled whenever you move your mouse
it's still in beta
add like 30ms of latency too
prime jasper
That's not happening in 2042 atm
also no lag or latency added atm in 2042
Averaging 380-600fps in 2042 full servers
3440x1440p ultra
moving the mouse around is not dropping the fps
candid flame
that doesn't show the added latency
prime jasper
exactly
candid flame
yeah, you need to use amd chart to see the added latency
prime jasper
When moving the mouse around you don't feel any of it and 0 screen tearing
unlike the other games
prime jasper
yeah, you need to use amd chart to see the added latency
have you even tried it yet?
in 2042
So far this is the only game that screen tearing is not occuring and freesync or ???? reason is kicking on out of it's range
it's working properly on only 1 game I can find atm
prime jasper
yeah, you need to use amd chart to see the added latency
chart kicks in on other games like starfield
with add'd lag
Just came in here to say it's safe to leave it on in 2042
this is really big news
prime jasper
Nvidia is just way better than AMD and is absolutely crushing it. You can't blam...
So far 7800xt's are one shoting 4090's in almost every game with some tricks lol. Any cpu bound cases rdna3/bar is edging out 4090's even without hyper-rx/afmf
Nvidia is on the spot atm and they know they can't do any assistance on driver based.
Nvidia had a chance but they killed that chance once they removed nvidia inspector in 2019
pale quartz
soo after some work yesterday with the new afmf launch. I found a way to get afm...
AFMF is not FSR3, it's not the same technology, and it's worse than FSR3 because it's at the driver level
prime jasper
AFMF is not FSR3, it's not the same technology, and it's worse than FSR3 because...
I'm saying fsr3 so people that have 0 clue what im saying can understand what lvl of fps uprise is happening.
prime jasper
"the lvl of fps uprise"
You are right, right now afmf is increasing fps much more fsr3 is atm
pale quartz
the level that driver upscaler increases, is not the same as FSR3's FG percentage, you are misleading people into claims which are not true
prime jasper
All my claims been true. Just helping out people
pale quartz
AFMF is worse than FSR in every respect, the only advantage it has is it works in all DX11/12 games
prime jasper
AFMF is worse than FSR in every respect, the only advantage it has is it works i...
Have you even tried it yet?
That's why im here. It's working extremely well in 2042
pale quartz
I have an xtx, I've had the driver preview since yesterday
I also know how AFMF actually works which is why it's not the same as FSR3
prime jasper
Well no shit
prime jasper
I also know how AFMF actually works which is why it's not the same as FSR3
I already gave you the example why I compared it to fsr3. I know this is your turf so im not going to step on your ego here. Just letting people know to go for the preview driver for this game.
That's all im doing but seems 2 people here didn't like that
pale quartz
it's nothing to do with ego lol you just aren't correct that's all
the upscaling results are not the same with FSR and AFMF either
they are not comparable
it's like saying RIS is the same as FSR
prime jasper
RIS is everyway shape and form worse than rsr
don't bring that in
I already told you why I said fsr3. People have no clue what afmf is
They will think im talking about dirtbike pipes
pale quartz
RIS.. isn't the same as RSR, or FSR
prime jasper
pale quartz
then why would you say that? it's not an image upscaler
prime jasper
"RIS is everyway shape and form worse than rsr"
pale quartz
yeah it's literally nothing to do with RSR
you can use them, together
HYPR RX does that exact thing
RIS is a CAS sharpener it is not an image upscaler
prime jasper
ok seems you don't argue with salty 4090 user's
pale quartz
..?
prime jasper
nvidiot's use the ris argument when rsr is talked about
You are in the amd discord
you basically see this almost daily
pale quartz
I never talk in there lol
prime jasper
You did the other day when arguing about how a 5800x3d get's damaged once under volted
pale quartz
AMD owners are just the same fanboys as Nvidia ones are, that's the entire purpose
prime jasper
Still haven't said if you tried afmf in 2042 yet
I'm not busting your balls or anything but have you atleast tried it yet.
pale quartz
.., if I say I've had the driver for a day, then yeah obviously I've tested it
it's practically useless for me for the game but it's fine otherwise
prime jasper
What is your thoughts on 2042 with afmf
compared to other games so far it's working extremely well correct?
pale quartz
I would prefer if it had FSR3, much more so
AFMF is just a bandaid solution to the issue
but it's "fine"
not acceptable, just fine
prime jasper
While other games it's not acceptable. But 2042 is.
So I was "correct"
fun fact: fsr3 can be compounded with afmf
pale quartz
it's not acceptable period, exclusivity through sponsorships is a plague on this industry, and it makes things worse for the consumer no matter the brand
accepting mediocrity is not an answer, it's patching over the problem
prime jasper
It's a preview driver. All this will get fixed on the official.
pale quartz
the game has been out for 2 years lol, theres nothing to fix
prime jasper
So far amd providing afmf is light years more than nvidia can ever do on bandaiding a sitution.
pale quartz
FSR3 isn't being added to the game
prime jasper
Having afmf in games like star citizen is a god send.
pale quartz
? that's just a dumb thing to say, Nvidia are 10x the capacity AMD has, and they've had these features for years
it's not a competition
pale quartz
you understand Nvidia image sharpening is a upscaler yes?
prime jasper
you understand Nvidia image sharpening is a upscaler yes?
Don't work well at all
it's really bad
pale quartz
so what, so is RSR lol
pale quartz
RSR sucks ass it's literally horrible what are you talking about
its the same algorithm that FSR1 uses
prime jasper
Hey. At least it's something
pale quartz
it's still horrible
pale quartz
it's still a stupid thing to say, Nvidia have 10x the engineers that AMD has for software development, it isn't a competition, and it never will be
Geforce completely trounces Radeon in R&D and it always has
pale quartz
? DLSS3 isn't better than AFMF and FSR3?
prime jasper
That's not driver side
pale quartz
DLSS is driver side, the SDK is game side
prime jasper
Only 0.8% of games has dlss out of all the relevant games to play out there.
prime jasper
rsr can be on almost all of them. afmf can be on almost 40%
prime jasper
why are you cherry picking things
dlss is only on a few games
pale quartz
RSR, is horrible, we already established this, nobody should be using it and nobody does, AFMF, works on RX 7 cards only, so it isn't a universal upscaler
so your comparisons here are pointless
prime jasper
We all use rsr in games like star citizen. We do image comparisions all the time. It's not easy to tell which is which from 1080->1440
You can only tell with ship HUD
pale quartz
wow a whole 1080 to 1440p it still looks god awful
no amount of "easy to tell" changes that it is a texture blocky artifacting mess
prime jasper
RSR, is horrible, we already established this, nobody should be using it and nob...
atm it only works for rdna3
atm
candid flame
you can stack AFMF and fsr 3 frame gen
it adds like half a second of latency
but you can
prime jasper
I did this in starfield, average 215 fps in new alantis
peak 300's
0 issue
just screen tears from freesync not working
candid flame
there's frame gen in starfield already?
prime jasper
candid flame
starfield is going to take a while to implement fsr 3 frame gen
pale quartz
of course they will the SDK isn't even publicly out yet
it will most likely get DLSS support before then
quick locust
sure 12 people will enjoy it
pale quartz
forspoken the AMD tech demo has less users than arc owners
candid flame
quick locust
there are dozens of us
prime jasper
sure 12 people will enjoy it
fr literally no one bought that garbage
pale quartz
<@162568099839606784> Hey I'm having a bit of a bug. It says my CPU is overheati...
got some time to kill since it's dark, if the temperatures are misreporting you may have a hot spot on your thermal layer, repaste the application just to be sure
the x3d is extremely sensitive to temperature changes so air bubbles will cause it to misreport
willow schooner
it does not **have frame generation**
There are mods for adding Nvidia Frame Gen tho
pale quartz
this is about FSR3 FG, not DLSS3, RDNA GPUs cannot run DLSS
quick locust
mm this laptop screen is so far ahead of my previous acer
umbral crater
toxic wigeon
got some time to kill since it's dark, if the temperatures are misreporting you ...
Uhm yeah I think I just found the issue KEK.
Fucking fan popped off I dunno when.
quick locust
im not a fan
turbid verge
Uhm yeah I think I just found the issue KEK.
yo wtf, lmao
plucky token
Uhm yeah I think I just found the issue KEK.
Clean it while mounting the fan back on
Filthy
plucky token
The dust on the cooler
toxic wigeon
Been meaning to do so for a bit now.
Yeah I'm aware.
How in the hell does a fan pop off though.
I hope it's super simple.
plucky token
Depends on how it was mounted. I guess with clips
Maybe the clip sliped off for whatever reason
Or someone pranked your pc
turbid verge
prime day on the 10-11 october
plucky token
Wait
turbid verge
plucky token
Are those pills in the bottom of the pc
turbid verge
time to start my new PC plan 
plucky token
Looks like it tho
toxic wigeon
Its the reflection.
plucky token
toxic wigeon
I can take another picture right now.
plucky token
time to start my new PC plan <:EvilMadMan:870042404214947920>
What are you planning on getting?
toxic wigeon
Hey I was hurting badly the other day.
toxic wigeon
Cause I ate them today?
plucky token
turbid verge
What are you planning on getting?
fat discounted i7-13700k, idk what mobo, 32gb ram, lian li case, power supply from seasonic like always, maybe a noctoa cooler and 1440p 240hz monitor
plucky token
fat discounted i7-13700k, idk what mobo, 32gb ram, lian li case, power supply fr...
1500 ish i guess huh
turbid verge
1500 ish i guess huh
monitor will be paid by the company. Rest on me
so 1000ish maybe more
plucky token
Mhmhm
turbid verge
dunno if the price and performance benefit is worth it
toxic wigeon
Honestly I'm just thinking of what to upgrade first when they're both out, My CPU or my GPU.
plucky token
Well. Iam upgrading from an i9 9900k
toxic wigeon
Holy hyperthreading.
turbid verge
Ram idk, I like Crucial ram. Always had those for long time and never had issues
plucky token
For me, gpu wouöd be dumb af. 3080 custom watercooled.
Unlocked wattage up to 450watts
Ah. The cooling for the new cpu is pain as well
toxic wigeon
I feel like if you look for a specific cooling at what wattage it can handle you'd be fine.,
plucky token
The waterblock is 200€ 
lofty light
Rip my 2080ti 
quick locust
what happen
lofty light
quick locust
vram go brr
lofty light
Recognise those artifacts?
quick locust
how's your soldering skills doing /s
lofty light
It'll stay on for 10 seconds, then artifact then reboot
Whelp time to buy another card I guess
What's good right now I've not paid attention to GPUs since the 2000 series
lofty light
I was thinking I don't need a 4090, but then I remembered this baby catching my eye https://www.ple.com.au/Products/655405/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-aorus-xtreme-waterforce-24gb-gddr6x
I HATE the new cards being more than two slots
quick locust
7800xt, 7900xt, xtx, 4080 also exist
quick locust
I HATE the new cards being more than two slots
yeah a lot of air cooled ones are huge lol
candid flame
7800xt pog card
quick locust
yep
candid flame
now with AFMF it's gonna be even more pog
still in beta and is garbage at the moment, but still
should be ready next year, right
quick locust
any time i mention it in cyberpunk discord they just send image of PT benchmark with it
candid flame
it's quite useless at the moment, literally only activated when you don't look around quickly in game
toxic wigeon
NOOOOO
Your card....
Derek. What will you do now...
4k ultra with pt that's fucked.
quick locust
4k ultra with pt that's fucked.
even 1080p lol
toxic wigeon
I mean.
That's at least better. But goddamn.
Turn off the pt and you'll get triple to double the frames kek.
quick locust
lol
candid flame
introduce a tech that only the highest end card can run at passable performance
toxic wigeon
I don't think it's entirely bad in a way.
Oh that reminds me.
I heard something about monolithic gpus. What are they?
quick locust
CPUs that only consists of one die.
quick locust
The CPU itself, cores, IO, integrated gpu, memory controller, etc
toxic wigeon
In that sense.
quick locust
all in one die for monolith cpus
toxic wigeon
Oh I see. I heard something about latency and gpus where they might just have to do that.
quick locust
Most GPUs are monolith, but there's a few multi die ones now
quick locust
7900xtx
Consists of multiple different dies, aka not monolith
4090 is one big
aka monolith
midnight crypt
AMD is going the chiplet route
quick locust
Die is the actual sillicon with cores, controllers, io etc
toxic wigeon
Sorry I just want to understand this a bit better.
quick locust
Yeah, Intel as well.
toxic wigeon
Is it the reason why nvidia is delayed their 50 series?
Cause it requires a different sort of production.
quick locust
We don't know if that will be multi die or not, iirc
It's the same sort of production, but different design and different connections
toxic wigeon
Ah I see.
quick locust
Ryzen currently consists of multiple small dies
lofty light
Derek. What will you do now...
I'm gonna be gaming on my steam deck only for the foreseeable future I guess
Thankfully all I've been playing currently runs fine on it so I'm lucky
toxic wigeon
That's fair.
quick locust
Enjoying mine too
Seamless linux gaming 🙂
Wish the screen and battery was better, but I guess if they make a new one they'll improve that
lofty light
I rarely use mine off charger for long enough so it's fine for me, especially since most of my gaming is on the windows side anyway
As ||genshin|| doesn't like linux
quick locust
I think battery time is same between them
rog ally has same size battery too
rip
40Wh
lofty light
I think battery time is same between them
I've found windows is much worse on the battery
quick locust
rip
lofty light
But hey the Yakuza series runs fine on steamos so I'm happy there 
quick locust
all you need
it can play more games than my desktop
on linux
cause intel drivers on linux are rather limiting
turbid verge
@lofty light you did it on purpose so you can buy a new one to play D2 
lofty light
<@200794099119292418> you did it on purpose so you can buy a new one to play D2 ...
I've not even logged on in two weeks
candid flame
cause intel drivers on linux are rather limiting
turbid verge
https://tenor.com/view/linux-users-linux-gamers-linux-gaming-kali-linux-arch-lin...
HEY NO 
Iam a sane linux user. Iam a sane linux user. Iam a sane linux user. Iam a sane linux user. Iam a sane linux user. Iam a sane linux user. 
quick locust
https://tenor.com/view/linux-users-linux-gamers-linux-gaming-kali-linux-arch-lin...
Its very straightforward lul
prime jasper
huffing the nvidia copium
Is this discord all nvidia/intel copium overdose? Or just recently from afmf stirring the nest?
candid flame
we don't huff the nvidia gas here
wtf are you on lol
or you mean the cyberpunk discord
prime jasper
Just seen some post lol
quick locust
Nah here is fine
candid flame
it's from the cyberpunk discord, and it's understandable because cyberpunk is an nvidia tech demo lol
quick locust
Just some arc bashing from Deco is all
prime jasper
About to say 2042 is purely amd biased and favored game
candid flame
quick locust
This server has been more balanced imo
candid flame
I'm using nvidia, I hate it
prime jasper
Ah ok, ill stay. I like 2042, i just dont like seeing people on copium trying to justify there poor purchase
Been seeing that in amd discord
toxic wigeon
I don't mind nvidia but I'll gladly replace it with amd if it meant their cards performed better for less cost.
Amd CPU though that isn't gonna change.
candid flame
3000 cards are good, but damn the 4000 cards are just awful
toxic wigeon
I actually don't think the 4080 is super awful cause same power as my 3080 and a bit better but I would much rather the vram.
You get more value out of that.
turbid verge
3000 cards are good, but damn the 4000 cards are just awful
always remember the Nvidia rule. Buy when the first number isnt even
candid flame
turbid verge
1000 series were good imo
candid flame
hey my 1070 was pretty good
turbid verge
had a 1070 did pretty solid
candid flame
1050 tho 
turbid verge
friend of mine still has a 1080ti, and does a good job
toxic wigeon
1000 series good.
toxic wigeon
I was waiting for a 5080.
turbid verge
5000 series
toxic wigeon
But the 8000 amd series I might just get instead.
candid flame
they are delaying the 5000 aren't they
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
turbid verge
think so yeh
toxic wigeon
I was thinking of a 5080 and sitting on it for a long ass time.
Since cards are being built for 4k now.
plucky token
they are delaying the 5000 aren't they
2025 ish
i dont mind. enough time to save money
quick locust
Blackwell 🙂
umbral crater
friend of mine still has a 1080ti, and does a good job
Could play Papa's Pizzeria with that one
dry pike
Delaying the 50 series makes sense. They have plenty of high paying AI orders so it's just maximizing profits. It's a move to please the shareholders.
prime jasper
@pale quartz yo deco, when you said afmf is locked to rdna3 is because of “wmma” can you give me some more info on that or anything.
Im on your side, i was just thinking this morning about that
pale quartz
..? I'm not sure why you feel to ask about sides, or what information lol, the ISAs are publicly available for RDNA, go read them
WMMA is not in RDNA1 or 2, it is in 3
candid flame
brand simping
pale quartz
much like DLSS optical flow analysis is never magic and there is mathematics involved behind it, that's what WMMA does
https://twitter.com/iDeco_UK/status/1695519246510416049?s=19 for more context
Twitter
prime jasper
https://twitter.com/iDeco_UK/status/1695519246510416049?s=19 for more context
Supposedly amd say's afmf will be on 6xxx series
Or did the amd marketing team did a opsie?
pale quartz
no they didn't say that
they said they would "try to" to appease fanboys crying about technological limitations
yes they can do that in theory, it's just going to be a whole lot worse for end results
prime jasper
So not as smooth? just overall a more shittier experience?
pale quartz
not as smooth, the frames being generated are worse in quality and there will not be the same boost in performance that WMMA executes under the same pipeline
a 0.5 version, and if they do that, people will cry about that too because it's "worse"
it's a no win situation
prime jasper
Good stuff, thank you. I did a post on sc reddit show casing the afmf fps and nvidiot's are aiming rpg's at me so im basically using what you are saying to get them off of me
pale quartz
you are wasting your time lol
because CUDA has had WMMA, for eons
this is a AMD limitation through and through and they dug their own grave
prime jasper
because CUDA has had WMMA, for eons
I said "afmf will be on rdna3 only atm, chance it will not come to rdna2" So got ass fuck of flak of that and basically copied and paste what you said (for ??? reason I trust you)
Just looking for some more info in which you provided me to combat some spicy boi's
pale quartz
yeah but you're saying that to Nvidia users who have WMMA in their ISAs
and have for over a decade
pale quartz
well as I said stop looking at one brand only cause it comes back to bite you
candid flame
just switch to arc
or go to that weird chinese knockoff gpu that can't even run csgo at 40fps
pale quartz
Nvidia can if they absolutely want to add a driver upscaler and it would be comparable to AFMF, better in many regards because it could be universally supported right down to pascal
candid flame
I think they will soon
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah Deco did you see what I tagged you in?
pale quartz
they just don't need to because they control 80%+ of the market and surprise surprise having years ahead of technological developments is enticing
uhh I don't think so
molten flame
imagine if nvidia did open source upscaler
toxic wigeon
Ever since that raid I feel they might be less inclined to fuck around.
But that was a small part of it.
pale quartz
I'm not long back from Barcelona so any tags from today I probably missed
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fair I acknowledged that.
It was just a funny tag. Not asking for help but a little fucky wucky KEK.
pale quartz
send the disc link?
toxic wigeon
I need to stop saying that otherwise I'll be thrown into the pits of hell soon.
prime jasper
Nvidia can if they absolutely want to add a driver upscaler and it would be comp...
Thanks for the fast response
pale quartz
toxic wigeon
prime jasper
looks like imma just allah snack bar the green boi's in reddit chat over some fps
toxic wigeon
Red rgb to make it faster.
Blue to err... I dunno.
Green just turns it into shrek.
pale quartz
https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/422598689928773632/1158342870328...
oh lmao nice fan you got there
toxic wigeon
oh lmao nice fan you got there
Ak400 go brr. Nah it's gonna be easy to fix.
prime jasper
imagine if nvidia did open source upscaler
Your name is extremely familiar..... Have you ever heard of the discord called "the borg"
pale quartz
you're lucky that fan didn't damage any other parts tbh
toxic wigeon
I was thinking of that.
pale quartz
looks like it spun out it's mount
toxic wigeon
It uses tension to grip so I was thinking it was placed on an off angle and spat out that way.
pale quartz
it's more common than you'd think
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
pale quartz
because heat causes air to expand it means the mounting mechanism becomes loose at high ambients
toxic wigeon
I'm gonna use this opportunity to clean. It needs a good clean.
How would you clean your heatsink?
toxic wigeon
You know that being said. It's done really well with just the heatsink.
Its had a few strokes with emulation and that's a given.
pale quartz
in all seriousness if you're talking the heatsink only and not the thermal mount just get compressed air
toxic wigeon
Yeah just the heatsink.
molten flame
Your name is extremely familiar..... Have you ever heard of the discord called "...
no 
pale quartz
it's just metal doesn't require some advanced arcane mix of chemicals to clean
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah I just realised the d15 fan was 8 years old.
pale quartz
the fins are divided so you can blow out dust anyways
toxic wigeon
Yeah I was more concerned what's the cleanest way I can do it
Not cleanest but like.
pale quartz
doesn't matter dont get overly concerned about it
as long as it's clean it's fine it doesn't need to be spotless
toxic wigeon
Yeah I'm stopping my self from overthinking.
Just gonna get some isoprophyl alcohol with a cloth and just wipe it over
pale quartz
do not wipe it with alcohol
toxic wigeon
Nah?
pale quartz
the heatsink is coated you will melt it by putting on isopropyl alcohol
melt the coating
toxic wigeon
I'm glad I asked kek.
pale quartz
it's got anti rust coating on it to stop it oxidizing
only use alcohol for the thermal base
toxic wigeon
Ye.
Oh yeah that reminds me.
Do you have an idea what's the tdp for the 9000 series CPUs?
pale quartz
you mean zen 5?
toxic wigeon
Yes.
pale quartz
nothing concrete for now, the architecture shouldn't be much more than Zen 4 in base TDP, but exceptions apply because x3d stacking
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
pale quartz
in that it can be worse or less, it depends which get it and dont
from my understanding the plan isn't for all SKUs to have stacked cache
commercial reasons mainly
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah. I was looking into potential fans for my next CPU and remembered about wattage as a basis. I know that x3d runs hotter normally but it's something that eased my concerns.
Was thinking of the d15 but learned that it's much older and doesn't have a successor yet. Which makes me very interested.
pale quartz
you mean wattage as in wattage draw of the fans themselves?
toxic wigeon
Err how hot the CPU runs in terms of how much power it draws.
pale quartz
so tldr TDP means how much the fan is designed to handle, but with the heatsink too, zen 3 and 4 will auto clock as high as possible for single core clocks on base cores, which is why the temperature target is high
it's meaningless for your TDP reasons
pale quartz
TDP means sustained wattage loads, as in, the power output of all cores combined (or near)
toxic wigeon
Yeah I interpreted it as how much power it takes up at load.
pale quartz
you have options but unless you're going for a 9950x or something it shouldn't be much of a concern
toxic wigeon
KEK yeah.
pale quartz
zen scales very well with target temperatures, it will auto downclock on its own if need be, part of the good architecture design
toxic wigeon
Nah dude imma be getting that 9950x3d and burn a hole in my Mobo.
pale quartz
if you're concerned upgrade the cooler I suppose, I don't have personal recommendations as I don't keep up with that market, gamers nexus will have your answer if so
pale quartz
probably what I'll be moving too aswell
well, we'll see anyways, depends what raptor lake has
toxic wigeon
You reckon Intel could do something similar or do you think they'll have to sort out their power efficiency problems before adding more cache?
pale quartz
You reckon Intel could do something similar or do you think they'll have to sort...
oh definitely lol that isn't a question
their power efficiency is a architecture issue not a processor design issue
molten flame
Ryzen 8000 series gonna be the most confusing gen yet
pale quartz
it will be replaced soon.. ish, with royal core which was rebuilt from scratch to replace their skylake era architecture, but they can definitely add stacking cache with their tiles
will they is a different question, different design methodologies with hybrid architectures than just padding on cache, zen does it because the infinity fabric needs it to mask latency issues when communicating
molten flame
wonder how Intel's memory controller will hold up with tile based CPUs
pale quartz
it'll be fine
they could add a decent amount of L2, have in recent years actually, will probably what they end up doing rather than stacking L3
molten flame
monolithic Ryzen APUs have better memory controllers than chiplet CPUs
also better heat transfer iirc
pale quartz
as should be expected
molten flame
I want AMD to go monolithic with a flagship CPU to see if they can get extra performance
pale quartz
cross traversing the infinity fabric between chiplets is very sensitive and error prone, which is why the "memory controller" is perceived as better, it's not, it's the same
monolithic flagship CPU makes no sense it would regress performance massively
and wipe out the power budget
you can have a monolith in an APU because there is a extremely tight power budget to work with so power output scales better, if you try that with a 16 core, you are going to have 300 watt draws before it's even built
the 13900k will look like a joke compared to a 7950x in a monolith
molten flame
power budget is also the reason Intel stops at 8 performance cores I imagine
16 P-cores for Intel would be like 500 watts
pale quartz
if you're meaning in terms of architecture, yes partly, the main reason is, there isn't much use for them
I discussed this a while ago but because there is a thread scheduler prime cores are sagged (note, they do not suck) by e cores because of scheduling, so there is limited gains in adding infinite amounts more
molten flame
E-cores would be so much more useful if they had hyperthreading
pale quartz
no it would be unusable for them
molten flame
why
pale quartz
e cores with HT would be horrid, because you are virtualising 2 cores, you are increasing the scheduling latency exponentially, the more e cores there are