technology

[pale quartz]

it's SD8G2, isn't a new one it's already in phones

the video means nothing, he's using a reference 4080 and a overclocked AIB XTX, of course it's going to draw vastly more power

in reality it's 40-50 watts of difference

[nocturne drift]

The cs go 1440p when both card didn't hit power limit difference was

[pale quartz]

they don't need to hit power limits

it's still going to draw exponentially more regardless, it's boost clock is 2.6GHz

sooner people start looking beyond headlines the better

[nocturne drift]

Nvidia gpu boost 3.0 go over its boost clock lol

Also my friend who has 5700xt confirmed to not use kryonaut on amd gpu.

He experiences pump out effect.

Never happened to me on Nvidia but I'm switching to the much thicker mx6 anyways.

[prime jasper]

Ok this makes way more sense

I saw the thumbnail and assumed he was using the reference card

my bad for not seeing the part with the testbench but it is slightly disingenous

[nocturne drift]

Trying to find a gpu below 500

I think 6900xt is the way to go.

Perfect for my amd friend.

Although he is borrowing my 2080ti

He does held some timespy record with his overvolted 5700xt, but the card is pretty much dead tho lol

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ot96M9RM6o

[nocturne drift]

Simple. Less latency

I saw the video and was like of course.

My 10850k 4000cl15 latency walks all over my 13900ks 7600cl36

And it prob will get worse. AMD started the chiplet thing.

[molten flame]

[nocturne drift]

Future is chiplet and tiles

[celest mango]

the las vegas sphere is amazing

[celest mango]

lmaoo

[molten flame]

[celest mango]

Im still perplexed how someone at Discord thought this was good UI

this UI makes Steams mobile UI look good

there are a few good ideas but the rest is awful. i like swiping to reply and thats about it

[molten coral]

Ye its awful

I went back to the normal one immediately

[celest mango]

i check back on it here and there to see if they made any changes but

its just still bad

not to mention its horribly optimized

[umbral crater]

Well it's experimental

[celest mango]

wait u can turn off message previews and collapse them like the current ui

maybe its not that bad

[sullen storm]

Any PC tech gods hanging around here? Got a motherboard question

[storm osprey]

can always just ask

[toxic wigeon]

Just ask us what you need and we can help!

[dry pike]

I need to fix my system when I get time. Have memory stability issues not related to the actual memory settings. The issue is that the system will slowly lag to a halt and requires a reboot, sometimes it halts during boot. Seems to go away as the system has run successfully for a while and can then be stable for hours or even half a day.

[pale quartz]

there is no such thing as memory stability issues not related to the timings, if it's failing to POST then it wasn't stable to begin with, increase the voltage and/or loosen the timings

[nocturne drift]

Just lower the frequency.

Don't increase the voltage.

[pale quartz]

if he's on >36/60 (5) then yeah do that ^

[nocturne drift]

We don't know what die is in his ram if it's Samsung c die pls don't increase voltage

[pale quartz]

come to think of it sounds like ECC detection kicking in

probably DDR5, if so carb don't go above 6000, it's not stable on ryzen

[nocturne drift]

Could be.

[dry pike]

It is 6400 memory, can run it at 4800 with shit timings and it still does the same thing. I suspect the motherboard or the CPU memory controller

[pale quartz]

ryzens IMC can't handle >6000 on stable, even gold samples can barely do higher, drop it to 6000 and your issues will go away

and check for corruption after that just to be sure

[dry pike]

As I've said. Dropping to 4800 and everything between 4800 and 6000 doesn't fix the issue. Once the system is stable it runs memory tests for hours without issues.

I don't try and run them at 6400, always knew 6000 was the max

[pale quartz]

do you have hardware errors in your event viewer?

WHEA errors/hardware errors

[dry pike]

A bunch of errors related to the extreme system slowdown, BSODs related to that and during boot. Not at that machine right now so can't look them up but when I did they were pretty much all memory related

[pale quartz]

look for cache errors/IF specifically when you're on, I know AM5 had issues with memory stability up until a recent AGESA from like 2 months ago, was pervasive for a while

[dry pike]

Tested every single bios for ages and running the latest but will do.

[quick locust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/sparkle-to-introduce-arc-a380-a310-genie-low-profile-gpu-series

[meager bear]

Hello everyone
I have a pc with intel i3 10th gen & GTX 1650S I used to play battlefield 2042 it worked good but now (after year) i have a lot of drop frames even though i put all sittings to lowest thing
Does anyone know what causes this problem

[midnight crypt]

Increase the load on your gpu

[meager bear]

Ok, I'll try this
Thx

[candid flame]

framework 16 is available for pre-order

[nocturne temple]

Season 6 map?

explodable sphere?

[light wave]

Wtf is that price holy

[candid flame]

ryzen 9 7940hs and an rx 7700s lol

it doesn't ship to Poland so reee

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/intelnews/status/1681439948317048834

Intel News (@intelnews)

Intel and ASUS agree to term sheet to manufacture, sell and support 10th to 13th Gen NUC systems product line and to develop future innovative NUC systems product designs. https://t.co/v6P9Gty1Ru

Twitter · Jul 18, 2023, 11:04 PM

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XcRZIMgqKU

[toxic wigeon]

Oh no it's real.

[candid flame]

guys, why do I keep getting the dxgkrnl fatal error bsod? I've tried reinstalling windows, both intel and nvidia gpu drivers, running the scans, yet it still happens

any chance it could be my gpu failing?

[light wave]

Try furmark

If it crashes soon after stressing your gpu, it might be dying

[candid flame]

shit

alright, thanks. It probably is dying, I'm crashing randomly when running 2042 or mw2

running furmark doesn't crash my pc

I honestly have no idea what's going on

MODULE_NAME: nvlddmkm

IMAGE_NAME: nvlddmkm.sys
This is what caused the crash earlier

driver problem eh

fucking nvidia

[pale quartz]

this is the Nvidia kernel system file

your cards either on death's door or it can't handle the current boost clocks, downclock it by -50 to -100 and try again

if that second option works it doesn't mean you're stable, you're just compensating for card degradation

[candid flame]

thanks I'll try that

[dry pike]

Couldn't the error also be cause by less stable power to the gpu and thus in theory be a PSU or MB issue?

[pale quartz]

power isn't given to the card through the board unless the card magically has no x8 pins and is being powered entirely by PCIe, just enough to maintain the X link, it's not impossible that it could be the power supply, but very improbable, root causes like that do not appear from the kernel but from system level crashes, the kernel crashing means it's 90% a problem near the card

[candid flame]

I remember the first time I got gpu problem was when I downloaded msi afterburner to try to undervolt it, right after I installed it my max boost clock dropped from 1880 to 1425. Uninstalled msi afterburner but the max clock stays

now it has been crashing a lot

could it be just a coincidence, and my gpu just started dying right when I installed that app?

[pale quartz]

it's not a coincidence that it began crashing, what is a coincidence is that the card is still being pegged

the firmware from the card should default back so it's standard voltage settings, if it didn't then the original crash was much more problematic in nature

and well that's why you don't mess around with your card

[candid flame]

yeah but the drop in max clock happened right after I installed msi afterburner, Ithen I started trying to undervolt it, but the clock stayed like that so I reset and deleted it

I guess it's time to spend some money lol

[light wave]

Welcome to my boat

Trying to sell the 3070 and get a goddamn 7950x3d ig

[candid flame]

I think it's all msi afterburner's fault. After reinstalling it to underclock the gpu, I reset it to normal again, now my gpu is running 5 degrees cooler, and can boost up to 1900mhz?

and I haven't crashed

[pale quartz]

oh you didnt set it back to default before the uninstallation

so tldr the settings are applied at boot separate from the actual program

[candid flame]

I did though

I clicked the reset and apply buttons many times

I'm never touching that garbo again

[pale quartz]

welcome to messing with hardware

[candid flame]

[light wave]

Ayo my man you here?

[pale quartz]

yeah what's up

[light wave]

So I was catching up on tech news

Should I wait for the new am5 boards?

Saw that they’re getting usb 4 and all that jazz

[pale quartz]

uhh what have you got rn

[light wave]

B550, a 5800x 32 Gigs of Corsair DDR4 3600 CL18 and a fuckin 4090 Strix OC

Mobo’s a 550 e gaming

My GPU’s basically limited to 60%

[pale quartz]

no it's not necessary, since you've got the 4090 now you are subject to nvidias driver overhead which will cripple your performance on anything but the latest hardware, the next motherboards aren't necessary, zen 5 will be supported on the current x670, just get that and a 7950x3d or a 7800x3d

[light wave]

Guess I can upgrade the mobo later on

Oh and the ram

[pale quartz]

you can get higher if you want but the IF above 3000 wont yield any benefits for your situation

cl306000 is enough

[light wave]

Cl 30 6000mhz? Gotcha

Should I keep it to two dimms?

Or is zen 5 alright with 4?

[pale quartz]

stability on 4 DIMM's for DDR5 is a problem depending on tight the memory is, I'm not even sure its economical to get 4 over 2 now, probably not, if you can get 32x2 for your own peace of mind get that over 2

[light wave]

I’m tempted to get 2x64 for the sake of having shitloads of RAM, or is it just not worth it?

[pale quartz]

ehh I mean, if you want it have it at, not really losing anything, though at that point just get 4 for that high of capacity

32*4

[light wave]

Anything else I should be mindful of with a 7950x3d?

Or any board brands I should be avoiding?

I’d prefer asus but I heard they had some issues

[pale quartz]

nothing in particular, the x670 platform has been stable for a while now but yeah stay clear of Asus, and them in general because they don't apply proper memory voltages and just peg everything to max

make sure you've got the latest chipset drivers and BIOS on the board once it's installed, about all

[light wave]

Yeah I usually just update to the latest driver and bios

Did the same with the gpu and its vbios

[pale quartz]

it should be pretty straightforward other than that, the cooler though idk what you're using, for the x3d, you'll probably want a new one if it's mediocre currently

[light wave]

I currently have a ROG 360 cooler

Keeps my toasty 5800x under 55c at max load

[pale quartz]

the ryujin?

[light wave]

Uhhh no, LC360 I think

Fuck I still have the box here wait

[pale quartz]

ok you'll need the AM5 mounting kit

isn't the same as AM4, other than that you're fine

[light wave]

Eh I need a new aio scratch that

I’m kinda running low on water with this one

[pale quartz]

then yeah get a new one, no point installing a near dried out cooler

[light wave]

Wait I just realised

Isn’t am5 lga?

And x670 boards are pga?

I’m a bit foggy with my brain rn

[pale quartz]

no they are LGA

PGA is AM4 on the socket, x670 is for AM5

[light wave]

Oh alright sorry then, got numbers and letters mixed up

[pale quartz]

np

[cosmic warren]

how do i turn on DLSS for BFV on 1080 ti

i wanna see how dlss now that I have one of the most powerfulest cards

that could at least run RTX at low settings

[candid flame]

you can't, dlss in bf5 is dlss 1.0 and linked to the rtx setting, and 1080ti doesn't support rtx

[cosmic warren]

well can't i like hack it

im on puter

[candid flame]

nope

[cosmic warren]

shouldn't it be possible

[candid flame]

the hardware is not able to run rtx

well, nvidia did release a driver for the 1080ti that allows it to run rtx

but it's terrible

[light wave]

It is not feasible as you lack RT cores

[cosmic warren]

yeah but theres some games that you can run rtx with 1080 ti

on lowest setting

[light wave]

You’d get severely less performance

[cosmic warren]

like i think cyber puke

[light wave]

You’d get single digit fps if you did play Cyberpunk with RT on a 1080ti

[candid flame]

rtx in bf5 with the 1080ti in multiplayer will get you like 20 to 40fps

cyberpunk will melt your card

man I wish game pass ultimate on pc would let me play with mouse and keyboard

[light wave]

How to ruin a card speedrun

[candid flame]

lol I blew up my 6600gt playing bad company 2

my beloved, died too soon

[light wave]

Used to have a 9800gt back in the day

Good shit back then

Ran Burnout Paradise like a charm

[candid flame]

xbox era racing games are so good

there's another destruction racer that I can't remember the name of

[pale quartz]

no it's impossible, DLSS uses the AGI which doesn't exist in the pascal architecture, you would be getting less frames than native trying to turn it on, a 1080ti is a entry level card in terms of performance nowadays

[candid flame]

reportedly still outperforms the rtx 4060 in some games

Nvidia

[pale quartz]

and gets blown out the water in efficiency and once you turn on DLSS

[candid flame]

oh yeah

[pale quartz]

nobody should really be using a pascal card nowadays, its a insecure platform that will soon cease driver support it's been out that long

[cosmic warren]

guys what do i do when i try to play BF3 It wants me to enter CD key. But I bought game long time ago in galaxy far far away

and now i go to enter the key cause i have it

it says that I'm offline and that it can't enter the key

wtf EA lol

[midnight crypt]

Ask EA

[quick locust]

Clearly hasn't seen the average corporate computers then

Really old stuff always connected

[light wave]

Ain’t that all Vega 8’s?

[quick locust]

Nah that's way too modern

I'm talking windows NT 4 servers and windows XP workstations connected online

[light wave]

Annoying ass bottleneck.

[quick locust]

Epyc 128 core with vcache time

Jk

[coarse nimbus]

Throw away the trash gpu

[quick locust]

Remove all cpu bottlenecks by getting a GT 1010

[light wave]

Based

Weirdly enough Doom Eternal is pretty much the only game that properly uses my GPU

Probably because Vulkan?

Not sure what's going on and why this game is fine but others aren't

[candid flame]

DoomE runs so well

[light wave]

Honestly

Never saw something so optimised

[quick locust]

Iirc vulkan is harder to do but works well if you know what youre doing

Mostly though the game just doesn't use the cpu much iirc

I think some people got it to like 2000 fps

[light wave]

Ah so I might just be bottlenecked then

[quick locust]

In some games yeah

But its pretty unavoidable

Something will be the limiting factor

With a 4090 it's usually cpu unless you're using crazy settings or high resolution

😛

[light wave]

Pretty much what I did to offset that

Res scaling above 1.0 seems to help, but not by much

[quick locust]

Ya well you can run anything fine anyway

Even if 4090 sleeps a little

[toxic wigeon]

Doom eternal is fucked.

It runs so damn smoothly no matter what.

[midnight crypt]

id Tech 7 do be nuts

[candid flame]

kinda sad we won't see another doom game for 15 years eh

[midnight crypt]

Honestly wondering what id soft is doing

[candid flame]

Quake reboot

[midnight crypt]

Interesting

[toxic wigeon]

George is thinking of making a map pack for quake 1.

And sigil 2 is still in development.

[light wave]

Crazy how the whole Mick Gordon Doom Eternal thing happened

Absolute bollocks

[toxic wigeon]

It's awful in how it was handled.

I hope mick can get back on track.

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4060-ti-16gb-ends-up-slower-than-8gb-in-official-msi-testing

oof

[prime jasper]

If I get a high end PC(desktop), does the wall outlet I plug the power cable into matter? (I’m in an older house and I’m not sure how a high end power source would do on old wiring, or if it matters anyway in that case.)

Just curious

[pale quartz]

if you are in the US, yes it does, the majority of old houses can only support up to 1.5kW on a live circuit, so if you have multiple connecting wires it's a consideration, if you're in the EU it's not a concern

[cosmic warren]

Bro's I just searched this box where I keep all my spare computer components

and i just have a 600 watt Bronze EVGA just sitting in box brand new used once that i've had for like 2 or 3 years now

My goodness I don't know how I forgot about that thing

[cosmic warren]

is it ok to put ram on xmp profile on its rated speed?

[pale quartz]

yes

[cosmic warren]

Man i just got 1080 ti off some dude and it's crashing after playing like war zone 2 after like 5 minutes

And same with bfv but i reinstalled drivers with the previous drivers to try to remedy the issue and then bfv worked but now i try war zone and i get the similar error i had with bfv earlier

So i wonder if i have to under clock this gpu because it's old or what to do

[candid flame]

ask for a refund

he sold you a faulty card

[cosmic warren]

Rip

Well I'm looking at our convo and he had drivers from June 18, 2023 so maybe I'll try those too

But idk if i can just get it running better with under clocking because trying to get refund from a local sale is like almost near impossible

[light wave]

You got scammed sadly

[light wave]

Sue him?

[midnight crypt]

That will surely work

[candid flame]

take him to small claim court

only if he doesn't know your address tho

[light wave]

It unironically does here

I’ve had people pull mail fraud on me

Got my shit back and they caught a charge

[cosmic warren]

Sue him what

Its going cost me so much moneys to take him to court

It won't even be worth it

The 1080 ti was only 140 bucks so even if i cant get refund i can just dump it on marketplace for like 100 or under 100

[nocturne drift]

Oof

[quick locust]

Been there, dead used gpu, no refunds, no warranty coverage

Had a gpu on the shelf since

No warranty cause not the owner on paper

[cosmic warren]

hmmm

maybe i should check if this gpu is still under warranty

cause if you sign up for the warranty or add it to your account within the first month on evga you can get like a 10 year warranty

so i hope this guy did that lol

[pale quartz]

not anymore, EVGA dont make GPUs

[cosmic warren]

back in the day

and it would still apply to today.

and im pretty sure they probably still did it when they made the 3000 series idk.

my assumption

[pale quartz]

it only applies if the warranty is registered, which if it is, it is under his name since he was the original buyer, you cannot claim on it

[cosmic warren]

yeah but with evga you can get the warranty transferred...

and there usually good with second hand warranty anyway

but as you said with them not selling gpu's anymore like 4000 series now we can't take advantage of that with newer NVIDIA Gpu's

[pale quartz]

the warranty for EVGA is only for 3, not for 10, no manufacturer offers that level of support

the card launched 7 years ago, you are by far past it now

[cosmic warren]

https://forums.evga.com/Update-to-the-EVGA-Extended-Warranty-Program-112022-m3508666.aspx

they just updated it in 2021

but they did offer it...

and they still do on the power supplies some of them that they sell

[pale quartz]

Beginning on January 1st, 2022, products registered within 90 days of purchase with the part number suffixes -KR, -KB, -KL, and -KH, with the exception of peripherals or power supplies, will have the option to purchase an extended warranty within the regions of the Contiguous United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Canada, and Europe. The product must be purchased as new and from an authorized EVGA reseller to qualify for the Extended Warranty Program.

The following products do not qualify for an Extended Warranty:
B-Stock or recertified products (i.e. products with warranty suffixes such as -RX and -RL)
Secondhand purchases (i.e. the current owner did not purchased the product from an authorized reseller)

[cosmic warren]

well maybe you answered my own predicament

[cosmic warren]

but like bf1 wont launch and had hard time running warzone at one point

but bfv is playing so idk

[lofty light]

I've got an EVGA 1080 Ftw that did the whole exploding caps thing, sadly I was dumb and forgot to sign up for the extended warranty and it was just outside the original warranty

Paid a local guy to solder new caps on to replace the blown ones but no dice, so I think it blew out a lot more than just those

Thank god I'd ordered a 2080ti a month or so before so I was only a few weeks without a good GPU

[cosmic warren]

you still have le 2080 ti

[lofty light]

Yep

Going strong and feel no need to change it yet

[candid flame]

my laptop hinge catched one of my wifi antenna wires, and chewed it in half

lmao

[nocturne drift]

2080ti is sooo op

[candid flame]

so I repasted my laptop again, this time with more thermal paste. GPU drops to 75c max under max load, pretty nice

but I realized I lost one of my wifi antenna

glad I'm on wired lmao

[quick locust]

Rip

At least they can be replaced with new ones by yourself decently easily

[quick locust]

Yours seem much better than mine lol

But I haven't used mine for months since I got arc

Which I know is a slight downgrade but meh

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/ServeTheHome/status/1683557390023553024?t=Fc3bjfHVoH3cuOesp3UrjA&s=19

STH (@ServeTheHome)

The TACC Stampede3 supercomputer will utilize Intel Xeon Max CPUs with HBM2e, Data Center Max GPUs, and 400Gbps Omni-Path fabric https://t.co/gvKm1nAny9 @TACC #HPC @intelnews

Twitter · Jul 24, 2023, 7:18 PM

[ivory creek]

some security flaw has been found in zen 2 cpus called zenbleed and amd say that the patch may be delayed till nov-dec and that it may decrease performance

rip

[ivory creek]

https://www.reuters.com/science/self-healing-metal-its-not-just-stuff-science-fiction-2023-07-19/

would be cool if there came selfhealing computers

[vernal pendant]

trying to find the news in this article because we already knew about cold welding being possible under earth conditions

[cosmic warren]

so update on 1080 ti purchase

I message guy. He responds i tell him situation. He tells me just bought ram and its giving him crashing too like this gpu he sold me

so he tell me tweak your ram settings

so i go do that and then i set ram at like 2100mhz first. And then bf1 still crash. So then i reboot set to 1866mhz

and guess what now it works.

[toxic wigeon]

Won't lie. I laughed hearing ray tracing for the new samsung touchpad.

If I interpreted it correctly.

Fold 5 looks pretty cool though. But the changes are so small versus the 4 ironically.

[light wave]

Under no way is it an okay part if it requires you to nerf your RAM that bad

Press him

[high swallow]

Is there known fix for Xbox connecting on AT&T network? Asking for a friend, access seems to have dropped after the last update

[prime jasper]

I have a 300hz 3070 laptop. What will happen if I get a 144hz 4K monitor? (Samsung Odyssey G7) anything bad/unwanted?

[lofty light]

The fabric of space and time will collapse and you'll die

[prime jasper]

:’(

I’ll go with the monitor then

[light wave]

You’ll probably only get 144FPS in esports titles at 4K with a 3070

[cosmic warren]

bro i probably need compatible ram?

I'm not taking action against him lol???

if the gpu was like 5,000 dollars yes

but no.

[light wave]

What I was saying is that your RAM should run at its intended speed, and not destabilise your GPU, or rather, anything within your rig

If it worked before, it’s not the problem

[cosmic warren]

i just built rig

[light wave]

Throw me your full specs here and I’ll take a look

[cosmic warren]

Ryzen 5 2700
Asrock b450m pro 4
700 watt evga psu
EVGA Gtx 1080 ti sc
2x8 16 gb ddr4 3000 (can message you exact model)
Fractal design focus 2

[cosmic warren]

P.m.'d as well

[alpine shell]

Hey @cosmic warren , fyi someday I upgraded my GPU(bought brand new), and my system got unstable

i thought it was the gpu, but I soon I upgraded my cpu/mobo/ram, it worked normally

[pale quartz]

the menu is a physical rendered part of the map, so no there isnt

[pale quartz]

what do you mean handle it? its an in engine render

the game has been out for 2 years

i dont work for DICE

if you seriously want to lower your framerate literally just change your window

isnt that difficult

you dont make any sense

you can ragebait somewhere else, but this isnt the place for it

[storm osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-bye-shoulder-shrug-gif-25933240

[outer cove]

Is anyone on Xbox not able to connect at all?

[pale quartz]

if you are with AT&T there are connection issues currently

[cosmic warren]

This doesn't help me at all. Because you literally changed your whole system you didn't diagnose the one thing wrong with your old system lol...

[molten flame]

next-gen GPU flagships likely going 512-bit memory interface

[midnight crypt]

Wonder how they will kneecap that

[alpine shell]

my point is; the gpu was not at fault in my case, initially I thought it was

[cosmic warren]

So you are saying my GPU is not at fault either?

[alpine shell]

could be

[cosmic warren]

Yeah i think so

Too

I think

[alpine shell]

CAn you try it on another pc?

[cosmic warren]

Still have to order compatible ram.

No

[alpine shell]

a faulty ram can produce a lot of instability

overclocked(xmp) mostly

have you tried to lower the frequency ?

disable xmp, and start at 1333mhz

see if it's stable, then increase the value

at 1666 etc etc

[terse glade]

thats why i never touch my ram settings

everything at sock

[midnight crypt]

rest in piss xmp

and free performance

[candid flame]

can't enable xmp because I have a nitro 5

[midnight crypt]

[terse glade]

its because stability

so ye

not without reason its locked

[candid flame]

looking for a new laptop and one with an rtx 4090 and ddr5 ram is like 3000 euro

don't wanna pay that much all in one go, but paying in installments means I have to pay more than that

[alpine shell]

funny thing with XMP, it can void your warranty if you fry your cpu

but intel or amd have no way to find if your ram was overclocked before frying

[terse glade]

I think a 4050 for a laptop is fully enough with 7300ms 2tb Samsung SSD, 6000mhz ddr5 ram and a good new CPU ur good to go with around 1800€

You really need such a powerful card if u have dlss3

[candid flame]

I already have a 3060 laptop

getting a 4050 one would be a downgrade

[terse glade]

Ah

Well!!

[candid flame]

yeah, like 80% of game aren't using dlss3

[terse glade]

I always would skip 3 generations to have the most "wow" effect

[candid flame]

I want to get the framework 16 with the rx 7700s but it's like 4000$ and only ships to Germany so I have to fly there

[terse glade]

Oh lol bummer

Bro then get a desktop and the laptop just for idk dillydally

How that sound for you?

I mean

Buying a new laptop just because the GPU in it sounds a bit wrong

[candid flame]

no space for a desktop

I would need to find a new apartment lol

and I'm liking this one

framework 16 is upgradable though

gonna wait for that

[pale quartz]

and yet laptops sell more than DIY builds, because space is a luxury some don't have, having that ability is not the norm

[terse glade]

i didnt thought about the space aspect

[molten flame]

beast APU for laptops

[short pawn]

Anyone know why suddenly idk why but my games in full screen sets windows to black so when I tab out I need to wait until windows loads back

[terse glade]

looks insane

is there a equivalent coming to desktop?

a 65w x3d cpu would be dope

[toxic wigeon]

Power wise, Don't think so.

[midnight crypt]

5600x3d maybe

Nvm its 105w

[candid flame]

only available with one laptop model from asus

sad

[prime jasper]

Why is it a good idea to have a PSU that can handle hundreds of more watts than your components can draw at maximum load?

Will the 12v rail last longer, or is it more something to do with efficiency

[storm osprey]

spikes

and iirc you dont actually get the wattage it says you get

[pale quartz]

because the input power required scales on a curve in terms of efficiency, the closer you are to your peak power supply's rated wattage, the more power it requires to output it

in regards to transient spikes it isn't a concern unless you are going for top of the line parts

[dry pike]

Plug in 36 gaming computers and see what happens

[dense urchin]

what in the fuck

i hate using the 4 plug adapters

let along 36

[quick locust]

Highest I have is 12 plug ones

[short pawn]

no

[dry pike]

Fire waiting to happen

[candid nebula]

bruh thats all the plug sockets in my home in a single power strip

cant wait to plug in my 4 electric guitar amps, my 10 electric kettles and my 12 iphones

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZS-4PgD4SI&ab_channel=DigitalFoundry

[quick locust]

I will not question why you have 10 kettles and 12 iPhones

[turbid verge]

Now this is competitive

[dry pike]

With the USBs it's basically 1 USD per plug. Hard to beat 😄
Although might get more expensive when your 36 gaming PCs are lost in the ensuring fire.

[turbid verge]

one short circuit to rule them all

[primal pier]

Money tree

[prime jasper]

The electricity bill must be through the roof using this. Also i hope it has serge protection.

[molten flame]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1685883783701250048

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

First Nvidia blocks RTX 4060 Ti 16GB reviews by not releasing an early driver, having a review program, no FE model and making the price so bad no partner wants to be associated with it... and now AMD is blocking reviews of the 7900 GRE with strict instructions to partners,…

Twitter · Jul 31, 2023, 5:23 AM

[candid flame]

some sort of deal they have with China, gotta be right? since GRE is exclusive to the Chinese market

[quick locust]

Both being annoying

[proud steppe]

Hey everyone, can anyone recommend a good 27' 1440p 144hz IPS or VA monitor under $400? After some research I found that LG https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gl850-b-gaming-monitor but there is so many different options that maybe someone can recommend a better one.

[molten flame]

7900 GRE is a very low yield N31 chip but it gives a rough idea of 7800XT performance

[candid flame]

yeah I saw a review of it on youtube like yesterday

[candid flame]

great gaming monitor

[quick locust]

Where 7800xt at

[molten flame]

7800XT has less cores than 7900 GRE but the clocks are much higher

[quick locust]

wheres it at

Same place as arc A580?

[crude pewter]

Hi! Looking for a 1440p monitor for my 4070. Budget is around €200, coming across a lot of KOORUI everywhere on Amazon so just wondering does anyone know any bit about these type of monitors?

[quick locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-sandra-haas-fbi-most-wanted-got-lost-can-not-be-seen-gif-26219191

[quick locust]

Haven't heard of the brand.

So no idea

[crude pewter]

Literally everywhere on Amazon lol it’s like they are paying for ads

[quick locust]

I've never used Amazon but haven't seen that name in other places

[molten flame]

7800XT rumored for late september launch

[quick locust]

Purgatory

[molten flame]

I think A750 took the place of A580

[quick locust]

Pretty much

[molten flame]

especially with price cuts

[quick locust]

7800 xt will have difficulty too i think

[molten flame]

$499 pls

[candid flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Kk7GR0lSc

[lofty light]

Looks like an adored tv ripoff

[last hedge]

no it wont its on 256 bit bus its fine compared the 4060 is 128, so it has no bandwidth and preforms like shit both 8 and 16 the 16 will get 20 to maybe 40 fps increase in some games where the bandwidth access isn't as much of priority and the 16 gs of vram help not enough tho and aside from the the 16 and 8 g cards preform identical. any one who buys a 4060 or the ti is saying nvidia butt fuck me and i'll thank you and overpay when ur done

[quick locust]

I mean my low/mind end card has 256 😛

[quick locust]

But I meant more it'll compete with amd itself rn

[last hedge]

like 3090-4090 70-90% increase but the 4060 and 4060 ti cant beat a 2080 super or a 3060 ti id wager amds its at least 256 bit bus

no way amd comp card is running that bad i doubt they did that but good i hope amd does somehing top fore nvdia to lower prices bc the she;ved the 4090 ti for now bc theres no reason to release it

[last hedge]

but yeah i gotcha wasnt attacking you nvidia is just pissing me off

[last hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zWvKerrypo

6800xt just beats it 6700 xt beats it depeding on the game but its the 8g 4060ti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1A3ZCeXDcQ

that ones better you can clearly see the lack of badwidth holding it back vs amds 6800xt vs 4060 ti 16g vs 3080

they throw a 3080 in there as well

[prime jasper]

I'm shopping for a gaming laptop for my daughter. I'm looking into the Acer Nitro. Any suggestions?

[lost tulip]

Does anyone else have the problem of the game not loading persistent data? If so and youve found out how to fix it plz help me out

[lost cargo]

It’s for 64p conquest for hourglass.

It’s prob a sever issue or back end thing. Hopefully they fix it soon or roll out a quick hotfix for it.

[lost tulip]

@lost cargo thank you

[lost cargo]

Np 😉

[last hedge]

they make very good panels, what are the specs ?

[last hedge]

yeah figured that i can get in hourglass 64 player now but when its stopped and i notice where in the loading screen it was giving me the error the loading icon struggles it says very briefly installing shader configuration or something parallel its very fast and opacity is like none but ive never seen the game do say that still does with the 128 conquest games tho

hopefully they drop the hotfix soon

[kind bridge]

Think it's funny that no matter where you spawn in on hourglass map someone or whole other team waiting for you to be gun down soon as you spawn in the map I never really that problem respawn in on any map til hourglass been reworked

[prime jasper]

I need opinions, im not to sure on pcs and me and my mom are planning to get a starter pc for my bday thats comin up soon

[lost cargo]

The main question. What is your budget. What is the your limit. For example: Like no more than 4k. That’s what people is gonna ask before suggestions

[prime jasper]

Well currently my limit is $700, ik i most likely wont be getting anything good out of it but i dont wanna go too crazy as we are splitting this 50/50

[lost cargo]

And do want to build one or get a prebuilt/laptop. Also what games are you trying to run

700?!?!

[prime jasper]

Unfortunately

[prime jasper]

Nothing too wild TF2, GTA V, Infinite if its possible, GG Strive

[lost cargo]

Mmm 🤔 for gaming. You can prob run cheap or I should say, old gen games.

[prime jasper]

I have images of ideas i found on best buy but i forgot i cant post images

[lost cargo]

Use Imgur and post the link of the pic

[prime jasper]

Ok lemme see what i can do

[lost cargo]

You can get a decent 700 pc. But you have to run on 1080p resolution for monitors and stuff. 1080p isn’t bad for gaming js.

I know there is way more PC Geeks in here compared to me lol 😂

[prime jasper]

Heres one

https://imgur.com/a/9vPAYP4

And then 2 more

https://imgur.com/A9ZM73j

https://imgur.com/a/KnpQF60

[pale quartz]

generally none of these are good enough, the ryzen parts are all severely out of date and your first option is 4c/8t which is "ok", but youll be struggling to run anything remotely demanding, your best bet is to custom build or have someone custom build you a system on this budget, a 12400f and 6600xt are infinitely better than any of these and are roughly half your budget, that'll give you enough for memory, board, storage and a case, which is your entire setup (note: for nvmes you can settle for gen 3 drives, at a minimum ensure it is not DRAMless and 1TB in capacity, but you should be able to find a 4.0 1TB for relatively cheap)

[pale quartz]

i assume youre talking about the acer nitro 5, a generally overpriced laptop for horrible performance, look for the zephyrus g14, it is much better

[prime jasper]

Im not really looking for anything to crazy or expensive just lookin for something to start off with. Im just keeping it at low budget cus its not just me whose gonna be buying it. Preferably if it can run Blender well without crashing or causing issues, then i consider it worth it

[pale quartz]

define well? the ones you have listed will not run it well

[prime jasper]

As long as it runs smooth, doesnt over heat, and can load in assests/models without crashing

Idrk too much about pcs so im trying my best to describe it

[lost cargo]

If you want all of that. Your standard budget custom build or prebuilt is about 1k-1.5k and you run a ton of games well. Obviously new and upcoming games will be a struggle for it even at 1080p resolution.

[candid flame]

I'd suggest avoid anything intel i3

[lost cargo]

Also don’t run games at max settings for the most frames. Preferably around 120-144hz is solid and beautiful for games fps. Also not running maxed out settings can also help prevent it from overheating 🥵. Unless you get a pc with beefy specs (more expensive build)

[midnight crypt]

ew gaming headphones are dogwater

[lost cargo]

Warning^

[knotty canopy]

i'd like to ask few questions about bf2042

where is the shadow settings ? also what's the graphics settings you guys play on whille making the game look like a modern game

im aiming for somewhere 90fps

3060gpu

[pale quartz]

same place as where everything else underneath shadow filtering, you'll want it on the second setting, PCF is unusable, ambient occlusion should be at HBAOFULL too

[knotty canopy]

does dlss in 1080p gives more fps ?

i saw some cases where the fps be the same in 1080p and with dlss on quality

[pale quartz]

no the game is primarily pinned by your processor, unless you have a near state of the art CPU DLSS will do nothing other than make your game look worse or regress performance, you're not GPU limited so you will not see a performance increase

[knotty canopy]

lmao i see

alright

i have 3600 and 3060

kinda running the game mixed with medium and high

[pale quartz]

yeah you're on zen 2 architecture so DLSS won't do a thing

[knotty canopy]

umm what are the settings should i look out for if i wanna bost the fps ?

[pale quartz]

in your case, you want to decrease the load on your processor so settings such as high fidelity objects should be turned down, textures should be at medium/high and other things like foliage and particle related settings turned down

turn on future frame rendering

vsync off, about all

[knotty canopy]

i had dlss turned on this whole time and i thought it's making a difference

[pale quartz]

placebo for you

[knotty canopy]

i just didn't check it with dlss turned off

🥲

[pale quartz]

common misconception that DLSS is a magic free frame increase button, you're not alone in that idea

[knotty canopy]

what is it even

[pale quartz]

I don't know what you're asking

[knotty canopy]

dlss

it renders the game in low res and turn upscales it

so technically shouldn't the load be lower and easy for the gpu to push more fps ?

[pale quartz]

no

[knotty canopy]

that's not how it works ?

my life was a lie

[pale quartz]

DLSS is a neural upscaler which lowers the internal resolution the GPU receives by the game and upscales it, which is why the performance and image difference scales massively depending on the resolution, the lower it is the less dependent the game is on GPU rendering (<1440p), and becomes dependent on IPC primarily (CPU processing), which is why it has near 0 effect, or decreases performance in certain situations

[knotty canopy]

so basically dlss is useless for an average 1080p user

[pale quartz]

note that this is generic* and if the game e.g. 2042 primarily uses the CPU this does not apply, and it becomes useless in both situations unless you are bottlenecked by the GPU

[knotty canopy]

i see

does texture filtering affects the load on the cpu ?

or is it on gpu ?

[pale quartz]

load isn't a bottleneck

[knotty canopy]

yeah not talking about bottleneck

[pale quartz]

if you mean do higher settings increase the load required, yes it does

[knotty canopy]

i see

[pale quartz]

but texture filtering is also dependent on 3 other settings for influence, so you may see no impact, or high impact, etc

[knotty canopy]

ah okey

[quick locust]

2042 sets my 8700k on fire

Not as much as msfs though

[nocturne drift]

700-800 USD PC

I am thinking 5600X and 2080ti

I tried to fit a 12600k but looks like its gonna be overbudget

[lost cargo]

2042 for my desktop, i7 12th gen, rtx 3080 max settings is like 80-100 fps on average at 1080p. Pre patch

I haven’t tested it this patch yet.

[nocturne drift]

Is this with rtx on?

[lost cargo]

I don’t remember. Sadly

It might be with RTX on. Also I ran DLSS quality.

[midnight crypt]

i got those frames with a 2080ti and 9900k

[lost cargo]

With RTX on?

Or off?

[midnight crypt]

off

[nocturne drift]

Yeah that's low.

I get more with 8700k and 2080ti

[lost cargo]

I can get about 150+ fps with the lowest settings with DLSS Quality. It still looks beautiful 😍

I don’t remember exactly. But I can check today or tomorrow. I haven’t played it in a week or 2 tbh

[molten flame]

FSR 3 may debut with RX 7800 and 7700 series launch

[candid flame]

nice

[candid flame]

hmm, intel is opening a giant factory in Poland but they are slowing down on hiring, ending contracts with RPO

did they make an oopsie by spending too much

[quick locust]

Intel is reducing costs everywhere

A lot of people removed

Recently the NUC team too

[candid flame]

they just opened a huge factory in Poland right, like earlier this year

I was expecting them to hire more people

but they are ending contracts

[quick locust]

They're in issues like a lot of tech companies rn

[candid flame]

oof

[pale quartz]

intel hemorrhaged money the last financial quarter and IFS, intel foundry services which is taking on these projects isn't generating any revenue, there has to be delays because of their stagnation in terms of net income

[candid flame]

they ended their cooperation with manpower, who was their largest recruiter in Europe recently, so I guess they are really fucked lol

[quick locust]

Yep

[deep path]

Anyone available to help with some PC related questions?

[quick locust]

Would in DM if I weren't about to eat

[storm osprey]

just ask

[umbral crater]

I think he already got his answers

[storm osprey]

what is that cursed avatar..

[umbral crater]

Little knight smoking a fat cuban cigar

Nothing cursed about that

[prime jasper]

see yall in battle motherfuckers

and when i see you

i wouldnt wanna be you

[umbral crater]

Very informative

[lost cargo]

i7 12th gen, rtx 3080. Max graphic settings with raytracing on, DLSS quality mode. I have 130+ fps at 1080p res for battlefield 2042.

Ray tracing on is great but man it makes is very realistic at max graphics settings, compared to no ray tracing enabled at max graphics settings.

[odd turret]

There is no true ray tracing it’s just RTAO so ray traced ambient occlusion

[lost cargo]

I see 🤔

[fickle sentinel]

so i bought battelfield 2042 a week or so ago and ive played it alot, recently tho as in the past 4 or so days ive been getting lots of lag to make the game hard to play and i keep getting this symbol in the corner of my screen, i can run the newest cod at max graphics with no problem, i have this games settings at the lowest they can go and its still hard to play because of lag can anyone help????

actually i cant paste the symbol in here but its 3 yellow rectangles stacked ontop eachother

[pale quartz]

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[silent oasis]

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[turbid verge]

https://www.theverge.com/23820077/lk-99-superconductor-experts

[pale quartz]

ah yes nothing like leakers saying nonsense

[lost cargo]

Nvidia is dropping the 5000 series next year. The 4000 series to taking the lead by a long stretch. Also Nvidia is working on AI technology with their GPU.

[pale quartz]

no, it's not, Blackwell is coming out in 2025

[molten flame]

RTX 5090 GB102 yields aren't good enough for mass production in 2024 afaik

3nm needs more time

[ornate halo]

Happy sunday everybody ive got a question.. So i have a ryzen 5.. had for about year and some change (first pc) battlefield as well as all my other games have been playing perfectly fine..however.. went to re install 2042 and ive got a "My Driver isnt up to date, im at a 22.20 instead of 22.40.. ive tried doint it automativally thru device manager but still nothing.. any help is appreciated lol

[midnight crypt]

Update your gpu drivers

[pale quartz]

download Geforce experience, get the latest driver, your problem goes away

[prime jasper]

Does the xbox series X and S have split memory? or does it list two different pools for memory since some is reserved for the system software

[pale quartz]

it is not split memory, the RAM DIMMs themselves are the same, but they are pooled for different purposes yes for the consoles, 6GB on the x and 2GB on the s are reserved for the OS exclusively

[prime jasper]

Ok thanks for clarifying

[molten flame]

consoles need more memory

PS5 Pro might have more GPU cores than Xbox Series X but may not have more memory

[lofty light]

I thought the latest gen had 16gb?

Although I guess yeah even 16gb is not enough when that's shared by gpu

[toxic wigeon]

Does anyone have experience with Sennheiser?

[candid flame]

I used their headset

it was very good

[toxic wigeon]

I'm looking at a pair of CX150 BT's cause I need a new pair.

Oh yeah.

I just remembered my mum has one just then.

I know they have a pretty high standard.

[candid flame]

yeah they last a long time

[edgy hull]

Is anyone here playing at 8K 60FPS

[lost cargo]

I wish…

[edgy hull]

Ya

Lol

[quick locust]

Can probably do it..... with half life 2 or something

[lost cargo]

Or csgo.

Or 8 bit games… kekw

[primal pier]

Tetris

[umbral crater]

Pong

[twin timber]

Are people still waiting on the new xbox dashboard update? Do some of you still not have it yet?

[solar kestrel]

i need a new keyboard mine keeps like disconnecting or sometimes the key input just gets stuck, for instance ill be holding s or something but smetimes at complete random it will continue doing the "s" action even when my finger isnt on it

to make it stop i just like spam s a couple times and it goes back to normal

any suggestions

[storm osprey]

if there is ONE thing i hope you listen to me on is to get a keyboard that is hotswappable

otherwise.. i guess what do you want/need/budget? @solar kestrel

[lofty light]

[quick locust]

We don't need no cases

[turbid verge]

hello gents

I might need some opinions

any interesting 1440p and 240hz monitors these days?

I know samsung has one but idk why its hard to find for a good price, besides that found one from AOC and LG that was interesting

[light wave]

Found some 1440p ones on Amazon

Give me 15 mins

[umbral crater]

Alienware has some stuff

[turbid verge]

currently my main is a Dell 1440p 144hz

[lost cargo]

Imma upgrade my monitor to a 32 inch 1440 ultra widescreen monitor with 144hz from a 27inch 1080 120hz

Tryna find a steal. I’m not tryna pay 400-500 usd for one.

[edgy hull]

@lost cargo coming from someone who has experience with many different displays, I can tell you that the different resolutions (like 1080p, 1440p, 4K, 8K, etc) only start to look different assuming your display size is large enough. For example, my 1080p iPhone 8 Plus’s display looks no less sharper than a 27” 4K monitor. That being said, I wouldn’t recommend you getting a 32” 1440p monitor

[lost cargo]

My laptop is a 4k monitor soooo

I also like widescreen to

[edgy hull]

I wouldn’t recommend it if you’d like to match the quality of a 27” 4K monitor. 27” is the size where 4K is needed to get the best sharpness that our eyes can possibly perceive. To get the best possible sharpness at 1080p, I recommend no larger than 20”. And to get the best possible sharpness at 1440p, I recommend no larger than 24”

[lost cargo]

Mmm 🤔

What about a wide screen monitor?

[edgy hull]

Measuring wide screen monitors is a little more tricky, so I’d avoid those in the first place to be safe if you don’t wanna pay $400. And plus, many games don’t support anything outside of the standard 16:9 aspect ratio (like Ark: Survival Evolved). So when you play them on an ultra wide display, the game only uses the 16:9 portion of your display and the graphics become horrible for some reason

[lost cargo]

Fuck… welp imma suffer with a flat monitor then. Flat monitor is my worst nightmare to plain

Widescreen always been my fav. I haven’t had one in years. Now since I built my 3080 desktop. I wanted a widescreen.

[edgy hull]

I just say that because usually when screens are measured, you mention their diagonal length. But I don’t have tons of experience measuring the diagonal lengths of ultra wide screen monitors so I don’t want to give you advice with things I don’t have much experience with

Would a larger 16:9 display make it up to you?

[lost cargo]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-32-inch-curved-gaming-monitor-s3222dgm/apd/210-azzr/monitors-monitor-accessories?gacd=9684992-1104-5761040-266906002-0&dgc=ST&SA360CID=71700000111444208&&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9Yv08dXPgAMVroRaBR1OEAA6EAQYAiABEgJnoPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I wanted to get this.

Curved at 2k

Maybe 4k res but 3080 doesn’t handle 4k well enough to performance and fps.

I could stick with 27 inch still. Idk 🤷‍♂️

[edgy hull]

Oh ok so correct me if I’m wrong but you only care about your display being curved, not necessarily ultra wide, correct? Because this display doesn’t look like it’s ultra wide. Dell even said its aspect ratio is 16:9

[lost cargo]

Preferably widescreen. But yes curved. No flat screens.

[edgy hull]

Oh ok well that’s sorta good cuz in my experience, a curved display (all else the same) is no more expensive than a flat display. In fact, in the link you sent me, the flat display was more expensive

[lost cargo]

I found it, this is the one.

Dell Curved Gaming, 34 Inch Curved Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate, WQHD (3440 x 1440) Display, Black - S3422DWG https://a.co/d/hozMeQA

That’s one I was looking at.

[edgy hull]

My other advice to you if you want a curved 4K display is to drop your refresh rate. I’ve honestly never encountered a gamer who actually needs 144hz. But do you think you actually need 144hz? If so, why?

[lost cargo]

And it’s on sale… 🤔

I play FPS shooters. Plus I like having more hz for the smoothness and ect. I don’t like anything below 120hz. 75hz and 60hz hurts my brain trying to adapt. Feels sluggish/choppy from 120hz

It’s easy to adapt going up in HZ. But goin down in HZ. It’s not the same as before. Feels extremely awful.

[edgy hull]

Both links you gave are 27” ultra wide 1440p displays. As I mentioned earlier, if you want the best possible sharpness at 1440p, I wouldn’t go above 24”. But I also said earlier that I’m not sure whether the scale would be the same for ultra wide monitors so I’m not 100% confident whether these 27” ultra wide 1440p monitors will give you the best possible sharpness. If it’s not too bad for you, I’d strongly recommend you getting a curved standard 16:9 (so not ultra wide) 4K 60Hz monitor that’s 27”

It will still be in your budget. And to help your GPU handle the 4K resolution, make sure the monitor has NVIDIA G-Sync because I assume your GPU is an NVIDIA one, right?

[lost cargo]

I’m not going 60hz

Like I said I’m not going anything under 120hz

I wouldn’t mind 4k. But I’m not tryna suffer my 3080 GPU going to 4k res. 2k is the best that 3080 can do.

[edgy hull]

Have you used G-Sync with any of your previous monitors before?

[lost cargo]

As terms of performance. 3080 can still achieve high frames still. 4k it’s gonna make it on fire.

[lost cargo]

Never had a g sync monitor

[edgy hull]

And most importantly, is your GPU NVIDIA or AMD?

[lost cargo]

3080 is an Nvidia RTX GPU

[edgy hull]

Ah ok then you need your monitor to have NVIDIA G-Sync and not AMD FreeSync in order to avoid compatibility issues

It makes sense cuz you need the brand to match

[ivory creek]

i run a 3090 on 4k , with some configured settings u can keep 60 at all times

[edgy hull]

I’m convinced that your GPU will be able to handle 4K 144hz as long as you use NVIDIA G-Sync. This is NVIDIA’s adaptive sync technology. And what adaptive sync does is it temporarily lowers your refresh rate whenever you need it (like if you’re temporarily lagging and so your GPU can’t maintain 144hz)

[lost cargo]

I don’t like 60fps

[candid flame]

60fps is not acceptable for shooters anymore

[lost cargo]

120 and up is for shooters

[edgy hull]

I know you don’t like 60fps, but watch this video to understand my point

[ivory creek]

lol

[edgy hull]

https://youtu.be/_SzGQkI-IwM

[ivory creek]

60 is fine. but if we should be truly up to date isnt like 500hz the best?

[candid flame]

eh I'd say 120hz is the minimum for FPS

[edgy hull]

I understand wanting a high refresh rate to reduce response time and input lag, but most people can barely perceive differences above 60FPS. Plus, make sure that the monitor you buy can handle 144FPS. Because even if a monitor is 144Hz, it may not be 144FPS

[lost cargo]

Every game can’t exceed 500hz unless your at 1080p res even on high demanding games at the lowest settings. Even then it’s still can’t exceed 500 fps

[candid flame]

monster hunter world's main menu got to like 3000fps and fried many people's cpu

[edgy hull]

@ivory creek and as I said earlier, I wouldn’t recommend going above a 20” monitor at 1080p if you want to have the best possible sharpness. And this screen size is unacceptable for most people

[ivory creek]

other stuff like total input delay on your mouse, keyboard and monitor matters just as much if ure really picky

[lost cargo]

Switch from 120 down to 60 is bad enough. That’s a 50% cut in frames is extremely awful for shooters

Also I can’t adapt to 60fps anymore

[edgy hull]

That’s fine if you prefer that. I’m just saying this because I personally play at 1440p 60FPS

[lost cargo]

I can’t even adapt to my friends Xbox 360, that is laying around the house and old gen play games at 30fps.

120 down to 30fps feels absolutely awful.

That’s 90 frames out the door

Poof 💨 gone. Not even smooth at all.

[ivory creek]

the official csgo tournament monitors from zowie are at 360hz. so isnt that the new standard

[lost cargo]

Prob

[edgy hull]

https://www.amazon.com/INNOCN-Compatible-DisPlayPort-Adjustable-Mountable/dp/B0BNL68QGW

[lost cargo]

Csgo isn’t as demanding like 2042/destiny 2/division 2 and other current day shooters. So it cant exceed more fps easily

At 2k or 4k res

[edgy hull]

@lost cargo Then I recommend this monitor for you even though it’s at the edge of your budget

[edgy hull]

@lost cargo This one

If you want to save even more money, then you’d have to reduce your resolution. But then you won’t be getting the best possible sharpness

And make sure to use NVIDIA G-Sync

[edgy hull]

I mentioned why G-Sync will help your GPU handle 4K 144hz here

And also make sure you have good internet. If possible, get 1gbps Ethernet

[lost cargo]

Bruh I have to use WiFi on my desktop.

[edgy hull]

Does your desktop have Wi-Fi 6? And what’s your Wi-Fi upload and download speed?

[lost cargo]

300 down

I think it’s Wi-Fi 5 on the motherboard

[edgy hull]

Ah ok but when you did a speed test you got 300mbps?

[lost cargo]

I wish I have nasa internet

[lost cargo]

Ye

[edgy hull]

Ok well then G-Sync is your best shot

[lost cargo]

I have 30ms or less on all game severs lol 😂 full bars no connection issues

[edgy hull]

Alright but ya I saw you planned on spending hundreds of bucks on a new monitor and I wanted to share my experience with how display size affects sharpness cuz I thought you might want to change your mind

[lost cargo]

Mmm 🤔 idk about 4k tho.

3080 finna be on fire but it would be nice

[edgy hull]

Do you require 27”? Or are you okay with 24”?

[lost cargo]

I’m fine with either or

I just don’t wanna overheat my 3080 GPU for 4k res tbh

[edgy hull]

And maybe go to like a Best Buy or something and compare the sharpness of a 27” 4K monitor to whatever ultra wide monitor they have available to get a good estimate of what ultra wide screen size is needed to maintain the best possible sharpness

Oh ok well that’s good cuz if you reduce your screen size to 24” then you don’t need as high of a resolution to maintain the best possible sharpness

[lost cargo]

Ok

[edgy hull]

But finding a curved 24” 1440p monitor is hard

[lost cargo]

I’ll see what I can find.

[midnight crypt]

24 is so small though

[lost cargo]

I want to upgrade my 1080p 27in monitor 120hz to a 2k preferably 120 or above hz still and it’s curved. Hopefully a widescreen or ultra widescreen.

I’m not going anything lower than 120hz. And I’m not going flat screens.

I also dot feel comfortable about 4k res for my RTX 3080 GPU. Because I don’t want to overheat it.

@midnight crypt ^

[quick locust]

There are cross vendor VRR

[quick locust]

Monitor and fps are separate things (asides from VRR)

Monitor doesn't need to handle any fps

Whether the pc can do it in a game is another thing

[lost cargo]

So I’m right?

Or…

[quick locust]

Also 2K is 2048x1080

For a 3080 I'd just go 1440 high refresh yeah

[quick locust]

Why would you curve a 24 inch

Pretty smol

[quick locust]

G-sync compatible is just using non nvidia open standard

Only specific monitors with a built in module is nvidia only

[edgy hull]

What? Sorry I did not understand this. Did you mean that refresh rate and frame rate are separate things? Because if so, then I agree with you because that’s what I was saying

[edgy hull]

Ya I know. But @lost cargo wanted a curved display so I proposed that

[edgy hull]

So you mean that even if you have an NVIDIA GPU, you can still use AMD FreeSync with no compatibility issues and limitations whatsoever?

[lost cargo]

Hz (Hertz) measures your monitor's refresh rate and FPS is how many frames your GPU puts out per second. They're different measurements that are 'equal' to each other, in that a 60 Hz monitor can run 60 FPS perfectly, and a 120 Hz monitor can run 120 FPS perfectly, and so on

[quick locust]

On displayport yes cause they just use a standard

Even my intel card works with it

[lost cargo]

That’s why i said im not going under 120hz because im staying with 120+ fps

[quick locust]

Yeah separate things (unless you're using vrr)

[edgy hull]

VRR can still oscillate your frame rate though. That’s what helps it to reduce your lag

If you’re gonna use an AMD FreeSync monitor with an NVIDIA GPU, you’ll have to make sure that you’re FreeSync monitor is NVIDIA G-Sync compatible. But this is practically no different from what I said earlier

Also, a monitor can be 144hz while still only allowing a maximum of 60FPS. In this case, the high refresh rate will only help to reduce input lag and won’t improve smoothness at all. That’s why I said to make sure that your 144hz monitor also supports 144FPS. Because many monitors don’t match their maximum refresh rate with their maximum frame rate

[edgy hull]

Most monitors that appear in search results support a maximum of 60FPS while simultaneously having refresh rates above 60Hz, which is probably because most people cannot notice any difference in any frame rate above 60FPS

[lost cargo]

I’m not going below 120fps. I play shooter games and 60fps is awful

[edgy hull]

Ya I remember that. I was just letting y’all know that finding a monitor whose frame rate is above 60FPS is gonna be hard. Most monitors tent to misguide people by only mentioning their refresh rate

Oh I’m sorry guys what I said most recently is not correct. If a monitor supports 144hz, it can display at 144FPS as long as your resolution is not too high and as long as the game you’re playing and your GPU supports it. Sorry

[edgy hull]

If any of these things aren’t true, then it will display at the highest frame rate that these conditions allow for. Then, in that scenario, as I said much earlier today, refresh rate will only benefit you in terms of reduced input lag and faster response time

[quick locust]

Uh, no

You can have 2000 fps on a 60Hz monitor if you wanted to

Just won't be able to display more than 60 of them

[quick locust]

Ya

[edgy hull]

@quick locust 2,000FPS on a 60Hz monitor automatically converting to 60FPS does not contradict anything I said and is just a semantics discussion

[quick locust]

Just meant to this and above which aren't true

[edgy hull]

The point is: assuming the rest of your gaming setup and the game you’re playing supports it, a 144hz monitor can support a maximum of 144FPS

[quick locust]

That's the max it can display yeah

[edgy hull]

Oh ok ya I recently realized that I accidentally typed down the wrong thing

[edgy hull]

I then corrected myself here

[quick locust]

Old laptop interior

New

You vs the one she told not to worry about lel

Ryzen 3700U laptop to 13700H laptop

[lost cargo]

That’s my spec for my PC.

@edgy hull @quick locust

For the whole monitor situation.

[edgy hull]

I use the Xbox Series X

[lost cargo]

Consoles, I sold mine for a laptop. And upgraded to a desktop

[quick locust]

Pretty cool setup

Using a 8700K and an A770 myself

Going to upgrade cpu sometime soonish, quite limiting at times

My laptop is going to be much faster in cpu than my desktop lol

[lost cargo]

I had a 2080 MaxQ laptop. It’s running like shit now. So that’s why I got a Desktop instead

Desktop last way longer than console and laptops anyways lol

[quick locust]

Yeah will just use my laptop for work

Hence good cpu but no dgpu

[lost cargo]

I got that PC for 1400 usd. Easy steal

[quick locust]

My intel gpu is around a 2080 desktop

To 3060 ti ish

[midnight crypt]

When it works

[lost cargo]

I had the razer blade pro 17 (2019 model) 2080

I still have it. But it’s collecting dust atm

[quick locust]

My 2019 laptop died recently

[lost cargo]

My laptop had heating issues so I thought it’s time to go desktop fully.

I made the right move tbh

Also a steal. People say you have to spend thousands of dollars on a PC. Boi, I paid 1400 for it. And it’s way better than the new gen consoles.

[quick locust]

Laptops runs the fastest their cooling allows usually

Running hot in a laptop is normal

Pushing the performance they can get

[lost cargo]

I ran games at low settings and man. It was hot asf on startup.

[quick locust]

Ya its normal to run hot

[lost cargo]

It was giving out.

[quick locust]

My asus laptop ran at 98C under load until I replaced it with acer 6 years later

Still works fine

Ah

[lost cargo]

Performance loss, battery was expanding. It just ran like shit.

Last 3 months before I got the desktop. I asked for a repair and I ain’t paying to much money. So I got a desktop with way better performance.

[quick locust]

Ya I use a desktop for gaming as well though lower end than yours

Would be cool with a 13700K and a 7900XT if I had the bucks, but just spent a ton on laptop

[lost cargo]

Before I got 120fps on destiny 2. At the end when it was giving up. I was getting 100fps with the same exact settings I always run (all low)

When I said it was giving up, it was giving up. 2042 used to run flawlessly. At 120fps. At the end, it can’t even reach 60-70 fps on average.

When I said it ran like shit, it ran like shit, even after a full clean wipe (as in reinstalling windows and redownloading everything again)

It just gave up.

[pale quartz]

the high refresh rate will only help to reduce input lag
common misconception, this isn't the case, it actually increases your input latency

monitors are not magic and they depend on buffers for being able to process information, this is why there is a maximum cap to begin with, if you have more than what exceeds your maximum your monitor has to double buffer to account for non processable information, aka it has to forcibly skip the incoming frames which increases the processing time the monitor requires than if you had just say 60 frames, the only way to "get around" this is by queueing so many frames that the difference is negligible, but this is a factor of n^4 calculation which nobody will accomplish

[pale quartz]

you are not correct here, a monitor does not "convert" frames from one to the other, Hz, the polling frequency of the monitor is the command given to the GPU to instruct it to target a set frame rate number, e.g. 60, 120, 144, etc, in order to keep them in command sync to avoid the monitor skipping frames due to buffer allocation limits, if the framerate goes over this then the excessive frames are discarded at post-processing time by the monitor and dropped, there is no such thing as converting frames, or anything of the sort

[storm osprey]

literally looking at just this since my current monitor is dying. unfortunately (for us at least) a lot of stock is low/overpriced atm

[turbid verge]

from what I found thus far

[storm osprey]

im also coming from a dell 144hz 1440p monitor xD

[turbid verge]

either you got samsung G6 odyssey 27 inches 1440p 240hz, AOC PD27 where the prices dont feel absurd

[pale quartz]

honestly at this point consider investing in oled

[storm osprey]

cheapest oled monitor is like.. 800 bucks though

[lost cargo]

Do you have a curved widescreen recommendations? That is 120hz or or more either 1080 or 1440p res, also no more than 27 inch preferably

[storm osprey]

which is odd, because thats the price 48" oled tvs xD

[pale quartz]

ye monitor tax for you at work

[pale quartz]

you have basically one choice, Samsung, odyssey G7

[storm osprey]

i personally dont like curved and this seems like the best option, though its fairly new so theres not a lot of reviews behind it

MSI G274QPX

[lost cargo]

Mmm 🤔 I’ll check it out

[turbid verge]

still checking around not on a hurry either

[pale quartz]

G7 is 1440p 240hz about $400-500~ depending on where you get it, can't be beaten on its price for specifications

certainly aren't getting 10 bit or quantum dot panels from other vendors for that price

just make sure your GPU supports DSC obviously

[lost cargo]

So it’s a good monitor?

I have a rtx 3080

[pale quartz]

ampere supports DSC, good monitor/best in class for its price category relative to what you're getting

[storm osprey]

which g7 you talking about? isnt there like.. 5?

[lost cargo]

Wym?

[pale quartz]

LC27G75TQSNXZA

[lost cargo]

Like the display is meh?

[storm osprey]

if only it werent curved i would jump on this

[lost cargo]

I love curved monitors

[pale quartz]

the odyssey has a quantum dot panel and supports 10 bit colour output with DSC, for the others you will not have that and be limited to 8 bit, tldr, to get that specification quality be prepared to pay double for other monitors

[storm osprey]

ive always felt off using curved monitors

granted that was like.. a decade ago

[pale quartz]

has excellent GTG results aswell it's exactly what you're looking for

[pale quartz]

ye that's fair, I've got 2 of them, I think next time I'll probably just get a flat panel tbh

[storm osprey]

why cant they just make that monitor flat and shave off 50 bucks

[lost cargo]

Ok, sweet, thanks deco

I just don’t like flat, it’s to plain for me tbh. It’s not the same feeling as a curved monitor

[pale quartz]

np

[pale quartz]

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/27-odyssey-g50a-qhd-led-gaming-monitor-ls27ag500pnxza/ there's the g7 flat

virtually identical except it has an IPS panel and is 165

[quick locust]

Me with TN:

But hey I will have an IPS laptop soon for once, then I have IPS on phone and laptop

My acer was TN

[storm osprey]

yea im still on tn as well

[quick locust]

I'd rather upgrade cpu, mobo and ram before monitor though

But just spend big bucks on a new laptop after acer died, will be here in 2 weeks ish

Getting assembled and etched in germany

[edgy hull]

Bro this is still just a bunch of semantics. The bottom line is that if your game’s frame rate exceeds your monitor’s refresh rate, then your displayed frame rate will still just match your monitor’s refresh rate

@fathom cloud I don’t even know about that poling stuff you mentioned. To me, it’s just too complicated of a topic to discuss. My college major is electrical engineering and I still couldn’t keep up with the amount of detail your explanation had

Maybe you’re a professional in computer engineering with regards to gaming but if so, you can’t assume that everyone else here is

[pale quartz]

please understand the difference between the command time polling rate, and the framerate which is processed by hardware (for displaying) on the monitor, if it is higher than what the monitor is polling at, your "displayed" refresh rate is not just the maximum, you experience dropped and unsynchronized frames which causes tearing and malforming in the processed frames as the monitor is physically trying to process the (higher than its maximum) refresh rate

[edgy hull]

Dude stop getting into extremely complicated and detailed explanation. Be concise enough so that you provide enough detail to help @lost cargo with his gaming setup without confusing the crap out of us. If you’re a computer engineering professional and this helps you understand how to pick the best monitor, cool. But how does this help @lost cargo and I? It just confuses us

@pale quartz like I said: we can all agree that if your monitor has a max of 144hz, you obviously can’t use it to play games at 360FPS. This is nice, simple, and easy. I don’t even know anything about the polling rate stuff you were talking about

[pale quartz]

you are trying to explain an advanced topic, what do you expect? I'm trying to explain to you why you are incorrect in the most concise explanation, a monitor, has no ability, or conception of a "maximum refresh rate", this isn't done by your monitor, it is done by the GPU

and this is why synchronization of your monitor and GPU is done

[edgy hull]

@pale quartz but we can all agree to this, right? If so, that’s my point

If you’re a computer engineer, that’s great. But even if what you’re saying is correct, your level of explanation is too advanced for any of us to keep up with. Most importantly, I don’t think it will help anyone with their gaming setup

[pale quartz]

no because that's not true either

[nocturne drift]

Another customer evga 3080ti died.

[pale quartz]

refresh rates and resolution are tied to bandwidth, they are not static

[nocturne drift]

I can't believe evga still haunts us till this day.

[candid flame]

[pale quartz]

"144" is a bandwidth allocation of a particular resolution, you can go higher, either by overclocking the monitor or dropping the resolution

these things are not finite and why these topics are not simple

[nocturne drift]

They are within warranty by 8 days

💀

[pale quartz]

will be lucky to get a response from them in 8 days with their non existent customer support now

[nocturne drift]

💀

Smoking that evga pack.

[quick locust]

Evga barely afloat

If my GPU dies I have to contact intel directly, no retailer lol

[lost cargo]

I told you what I want and what I’m looking for. You want to get a 60hz and play 60fps. I don’t want to degrade my fps by 50%. I told you 60fps feels awful. 4k is very demanding. That’s why didn’t want it for my GPU. I don’t want to stess it out for quality. 2k is both performance and quality. Since I been with 120 fps at 120hz for so long. Dropping down will make it worse, and unplayable to me. Monitor can only display up to its refresh rate limit. Less than that refresh rate limit will feel awful. PC specs if well put together. It can only achieve so much with the certain graphic settings that you have set. I always achieve beyond 120fps or more. I just don’t want to stress out my CPU for 1080p. That’s why I wanted 2k aka 1440p res at most. To atleast relive some stress about my cpu. And have a better display.

[edgy hull]

@pale quartz I still was correct. And you were only correct assuming your monitor allows overclocking in the first place. And besides, you overclock your monitor to what? …. To a refresh rate! So, once again, your frame rate can never exceed the refresh rate that you overclock your monitor to

[edgy hull]

I know. Nobody disagreed with what you want. In fact, it’s impossible to disagree with what you want because it’s what YOU want

[pale quartz]

no dude you're wrong, all monitors "support" overclocking, because this isn't something that requires explicit support, it is handled by the driver, you can overclock any monitor or change it's command time settings, there is no point arguing about this

[quick locust]

720p 240Hz gaming

[candid flame]

lol

[quick locust]

[edgy hull]

@lost cargo all I was saying here is that @pale quartz ‘s explanation was too complicated for 99% of people to keep up with

[pale quartz]

the others kept up with it fine

it's only you complaining

it's not particularly complicated

[edgy hull]

No, not all monitors allow overclocking. And that’s a fact. Tell what you told to 99% of random people and they wouldn’t be able to keep up

[lost cargo]

I understand what deco says. Because that’s how I view monitors. It’s not hard to see how a monitor works. A lot of researched I done and I understand how hz and fps and the whole PC works together.

[candid flame]

480p 300hz monitor to help you get that global elite in csgo

[quick locust]

I'm going from a terrible 1080p TN laptop to a 2560x1600 240Hz IPS laptop

Megastonks

[lost cargo]

I was tryna look for a decent monitor l, that is better than my 1080p. And look for a good 2k res monitor

[edgy hull]

The bottom line is: you cannot play at a frame rate that exceeds the refresh rate of your monitor. So, if you overclock, then your frame rate cannot exceed whatever refresh rate you overclock to. SIMPLE

[pale quartz]

I don't think you understand even the basics of how monitors work I'm sorry, and that is not an insult, you just do not understand that these things are not "supportable", they are defined by the driver

[lost cargo]

1 million hz at 1p res

[candid flame]

[edgy hull]

It’s a fact, verifiable by research, that you cannot overclock all monitors

[candid flame]

I actually played bf3 at like 140p because I broke my gpu at the time

[edgy hull]

Guys, can we all agree with this simple piece of common sense?

[quick locust]

Bet

[pale quartz]

verifiable by research? go download CRU and see what magically prevents you overclocking your monitor

[lost cargo]

You can overclock a monitor

[pale quartz]

spoiler: nothing

[edgy hull]

But you cannot overclock all monitors

[pale quartz]

you lack fundamental information my guy on even the basic functions of how monitors work, you fighting this is a lost cause

[edgy hull]

??? Can everyone agree to this?

[dry pike]

I'm going to see if I can code interpreter ChatGPT this

[candid flame]

you can overclock every monitor

[dry pike]

bleep bloop

[pale quartz]

[candid flame]

some will just shit itself when you do

[edgy hull]

Here’s one source @pale quartz : https://www.howtogeek.com/865162/how-to-overclock-your-monitor/#do-all-monitors-support-overclocking

I can give many more sources saying that not all monitors allow overclocking

[pale quartz]

there is no source here my guy

please understand the difference, between supported

and non supported and possible

supported means by the manufacturer

[edgy hull]

It’s literally a source

[pale quartz]

Not all monitors support overclocking. You're more likely to be able to overclock monitors that are designed for gamers, with some even advertising that the monitor can be overclocked within the marketing material. Many standard 60Hz office monitors may struggle to exceed their native refresh rate.
right there in your own article, not all monitors support overclocking

[edgy hull]

That proves my point

[pale quartz]

pro tip my guy but when you don't understand something googling for the first result doesn't mean you correct

[edgy hull]

What are you talking about?

[candid flame]

you CAN overclock all monitors

[quick locust]

Some just suck at it

[edgy hull]

I said there are multiple sources that you can look up, besides the first one

[candid flame]

this

[edgy hull]

Find me a source saying that you can overclock any monitor out there

[candid flame]

[pale quartz]

since you apparently refuse to listen to anyone but yourself, here is what the internal timings of a monitor actually look like, please notice the "refresh rate" section here, which can be input with any number

[edgy hull]

That’s not your argument. Your argument is that you can overclock ANY monitor that’s ever existed

[pale quartz]

you can

because thats a fact

what part do you not get?

[edgy hull]

Then list a source

[pale quartz]

dude its right there

go and download CRU on your own machine

this isnt some advanced concept to understand

[quick locust]

This website crashes my phone