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river light
Well for now i was just thinking about bf 2042, but there multiple high end games that struggle with keeping or even reaching 60 fps
river light
and is docp/axmp etc enabled?
Yes
nocturne drift
only 60 fps? 5700G is almost as fast as a 5600
u should push more than 60fps
do u have raytracing enabled or smth?
river light
nope
i got everything on low
I dont really understand whats wrong, cause i also thought i should be hitting better numbers with it although its not the greatest CPU
id love any input on this since idont really know how to proceed with this
formal oxide
Threadripper 9950X 4000FPS Anyone I need it I can buy it for 8Grand
pale quartz
only 60 fps? 5700G is almost as fast as a 5600
it's not close or comparable
the 5700g has half the cache onboard that the 5600x has, it suffers tremendously
pale quartz
I dont really understand whats wrong, cause i also thought i should be hitting b...
the answer is yes it will solve your problem
you're on AM4 so you can immediately jump right to the 5800x3d
nocturne drift
it's not close or comparable
GN have benchmark and it's actually not too shabby
I also helped him over dm and also recommended the 5800X3D
But 5700g should push over 60 no problem
pale quartz
the clock speeds distorts it's performance unequally but yeah tldr is it suffers heavy cause of the lack of L3
IF hates having no bandwidth
nocturne drift
I know.
It what around 10ish percent slower.
5700G is very popular at our place as it's the go to for streamers doing dual pc in one case using a version of lian li 011 dynamic
river light
you're on AM4 so you can immediately jump right to the 5800x3d
Yeah Mazda did recommend me this CPU. Quite tempting to just make that upgrade as the 5700g is not providing the numbers im looking for
pale quartz
Yeah Mazda did recommend me this CPU. Quite tempting to just make that upgrade a...
it's what 6x? the cache you've got now, so yeah fair to say it will do the job
river light
it's what 6x? the cache you've got now, so yeah fair to say it will do the job
Thats quite a big difference
Maybe ill just go straight ahead and order it
river light
it's what 6x? the cache you've got now, so yeah fair to say it will do the job
You reckon i would need a new cooler with that? (and i have no idea what cooler im using at the moment, its been with me for a while ðŸ˜)
pale quartz
uhh nah
I mean if it's half decent you won't need one
5800x3d is extremely power efficient
river light
Alright that sounds good then
Its half decent for sure
I would probably notice if needed a new one anyways right
But yeah, i would need to buy more thermal pastes as well... dont got anything laying around
nocturne drift
But yeah, i would need to buy more thermal pastes as well... dont got anything l...
Arctic mx6 cheap and good
But I still recommend troubleshooting before 5800X3D
Make sure it's the cpu bottleneck and nothing else.
Cause 5700g can push way more than 60 in 2042.
river light
Yes, i will still go through the troubleshooting to see
if there might be something else causing it as well
storm osprey
pretty sure g203 and viper v2 are similar in weight
frigid vault
game keeps crashing after i updated it is anyone else having this problem?
im on pc
small zinc
Lol
7900XTX beating a 4090 on 700 watts
lmao.
3.33 Ghz
Pretty impressive actually
nocturne drift
the dry cabinet decreased my table tennis blade weight by a whole gram in 2 days, sucking up moisture. I think it is working. Gonna test it out tomorrow and see how it plays!
pine anchor
-MSI GeForce GTX 1050T| Gaming X 4GB Nvidia
GDDR5
-Amd Ryzen 5 2600X Processor (Base Clock:
3.6Hz, 6 cores, Socket AM4), Black
-MSI X470 Gaming Plus, AM4, 4 Dimm
DDR4-3466MHz+ (OC), 2x Turbo M.2, DDR4/ Core/X-Boost, 4× 8 Pin Power supply, Mystic Light, HDMI, DVI-D, ATX, Black
-Cooler Master CPU Wasserkühlung
-Crucial SSD 500gb
-Corsair Vengeance 2x8gb DDR4 3200MHz
-beQuiet Pure Power 11 600W
- Gehäuse ist von Sharkoon mit 4 Lüftern
-Windows 10
How is this for 250€?
lofty light
Any of y'all familiar with setting up a raid? Got a windows server running 8 disks with the parity storage spaces and it's actually nightmarishly slow
pale quartz
Any of y'all familiar with setting up a raid? Got a windows server running 8 dis...
what raid array are you using?
lofty light
what raid array are you using?
Storage spaces parity, so RAID 5
But it's awfully slow
Basically want something I can use to bundle them together in an array (either RAID 5 or 10) and store my stuff on it
pale quartz
Basically want something I can use to bundle them together in an array (either R...
so tldr is this is normal as RAID 5 must write data to all the disks to ensure they all have parity with each other, it doesn't incorporate the same striping optimisations that RAID 10 has (the more disks you have, the more the READ buffers on all disks until they are finished), there isn't really a way you can get around it other than using RAID 10, just beware on RAID 10 only 50% of the storage across all drives can be mirrored
write on RAID 5 is also equally well, garbage due to this
lofty light
Oh I'm aware of that, the write speeds on my current array are at under 10Mbps
pale quartz
yeah welcome to the not so wonderful world of having to ensure total data integrity, on a medium not designed to handle it
lofty light
Which is a little annoying when I currently have 8TB of data 
pale quartz
a SSD won't solve your dilemma either as it's a continuous scaling issue, can't be brute forced with more bandwidth
what you'd have to do is replace them all with SSDs which I don't think you want to do
and RAID on SSDs is well, self defeating at that point
lofty light
Yeah I'm basically looking to go to raid 10 methinks, I'm gonna buy another couple disks and fill the slots I have up
I've technically got a hardware card but it's very very old and bluescreens my server if I try and format an array created with it
pale quartz
it's a possible patch solution~, you'll have significantly higher R/W than currently, just beware that RAID 10 has the same issues as 5, just a bit less severe
the scaling issue is inherit to RAID except 0 tldr
lofty light
Scaling issue isn't big for me
pale quartz
then RAID 10 will work
toxic wigeon
@pale quartz Oya Deco what's a good next gen drive to pair with a 7800x3d and 4090 that's not super pricey versus say a 980 Pro?
pale quartz
<@162568099839606784> Oya Deco what's a good next gen drive to pair with a 7800x...
firecuda 530
pale quartz
just order it from Amazon, they're in stock basically everywhere worldwide
quick locust
nocturne drift
<@162568099839606784> Oya Deco what's a good next gen drive to pair with a 7800x...
SN850X
Also 980 pro is like mid tier gen 4
I use 980 pro only cause I got 2tb for 120 from fb marketplace lol
Oh yeah hynix P41 is pretty good.
small zinc
<@162568099839606784> Oya Deco what's a good next gen drive to pair with a 7800x...
SK Hynix P41
Faster than that Firecuda
Cheaper
And uses less voltage so runs cooler
P41 outperforms the Samsung 990 pro
Oh without the stupid failure rates of Samsung
2TB is $156 on Amazon
toxic wigeon
If wondering the context. My friend said he wants a new pc. Top of the line.
Just need decent SD's for him as a whole. The noctua d14 should work for the x3d or should I have additional flow?
small zinc
Define flow? Noctua makes outstanding air coolers if you're purposely avoiding AIO coolers or custom loops.
X3D's do run a little hotter though
So good positive pressure in a case is key regardless
toxic wigeon
Excess 4090 heat but whatever I can get it to work.
I just need a case that can fit it in.
small zinc
Can't go wrong with a Corsair 5000D or Lian Li 011
Both are excellent
Phanteks makes solid products too
storm osprey
If wondering the context. My friend said he wants a new pc. Top of the line.
J...
essentially the best air cooler out there, as long as you have decent case flow you cant get much better without going AIO
toxic wigeon
Fair!
storm osprey
aio pros are longer soak times and quieter (of course depends on models), though there are more points of failure and a failure could be really bad/expensive
storm osprey
an air cooler failing just means you replace the fan
im a huge fan of direct air cooling for your gpu, so i recomment some sort of lian li o11 since you can get up to 3 fans blowing directly into your gpus fans
toxic wigeon
Ye.
storm osprey
my temps from a standard case with a shit load of fans and even a 3d printed ramp to get more wait to my gpu dropped like 6c when i got my 011 mini
small zinc
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-rx-7900-xtx-matches-rtx-4090-at-700w
Linked this yesterday. Beat ya to it.
😛
700 watts at 3.3 ghz is pretty impressive though
quick locust
pale quartz
glad to heard arc drivers are entering beta
quick locust
You negative nancy 😛
nocturne drift
You negative nancy 😛
AMD bios are entering beta as well!
knotty stone
Does anyone have running issue in bf1, like every time you try to speed up and you stuck for 1sec, just got this game today(i5 8400, rtx2060, 16gRAM),
Is i5 can't run this game?
grim abyss
My PC's performance has been suffering recently. I wanna run some benchmarks to see if I need to go get a new PC or try to get my laptop repaired, whats the best way to do that? I'm really not that savvy when it comes to hardware.
nocturne drift
My PC's performance has been suffering recently. I wanna run some benchmarks to ...
3D mark. Timespy
It's free on steam
toxic wigeon
Try cleaning it up as well.
pale quartz
Is i5 can't run this game?
in short yes, your processor doesn't have hyperthreading, so you are thread bound
quick locust
river light
yall reckon an amd ryzen 5600x will perform better than an amf ryzen 7 5700g?
only reason im asking is cause my friend can give it to me for free, if not ill buy a better one lol
quick locust
4060 ti 16GB starting from 499 dollars
meanwhile my cheaper gpu having 16GB
prime jasper
Yeah the 5600x will perform better, but I can't say whether that's a worthy upgrade
river light
Yeah the 5600x will perform better, but I can't say whether that's a worthy upgr...
i mean i will get it for free from my buddy, but it would probably be better to just get a ryzen 7 5800x3d
river light
how much of cpu and gpu should be utilized while playing bf2042?
toxic wigeon
With a 5600x easily 90%+ with its l3 cache sucked dry.
river light
my 5700g is using 90-98 right now
toxic wigeon
Xmp though with a good set 3600 mhz+ will negate the grand majority of err... input lag.
But the strain on the cache.
Ah yeah they're pretty much similar as a whole.
river light
but is that what the usage should look like ?
Im not so familiar with this
lol
cause if thats normal, then its definitely holding me back
toxic wigeon
Yeah 90's for Ryzen 5 5600 is normal.
It edges on Max.
@river light Sorry was checking other stuff.
river light
I see
Thank you
I suppose that calls for a cpu upgrade
cause im tired of having weird frames with a decent graphics card
toxic wigeon
No worries. What were you looking at possibly?
river light
LOL
toxic wigeon
I sit on 70 to 80% usage but it's not being pressured.
river light
like it works for bf2042 but the frames are NOT stable at all
river light
I sit on 70 to 80% usage but it's not being pressured.
That sounds so much better than what this 5700g is doing xd
i got 32 gb ram and 3070... why havent i upgraded the cpu earlier lol
🤦
toxic wigeon
Who knows haha.
river light
Might as well just order a whole new GOOD cpu instead of installing a 5600x
toxic wigeon
Ye.
river light
to be fair ive had alot of mixed answers when asking about this cpu
toxic wigeon
It's like this. My 5600x put up a good fight.
river light
and i dont know aloooot about it myself so you know...
river light
2042 is quite demanding
toxic wigeon
I had my 5600x for the better part of the year and it's a hardy cpu.
That's how I can describe it. It's not top of the line but... it's something to be respected.
I'm again speaking from experience so you know.
toxic wigeon
What's your cooler?
river light
ermmm
to be honest i dont really know
it might call for an upgrade as well
havent touched it in years
toxic wigeon
Yeah x3d require a good cooler.
Well sorta.
They need a nice dedicated cooler.
High temps are normal too on them.
During summer my x3d hit 90c. Now it's 70 to 80 depending on the say.
I have an ak400 and it does its job really well.
Deco had the same with a noctua nh12s and I think it ran 5 c cooler at peak?
river light
I see
I think even this 5700g got quite high temps already
but its not something i actively check
i remember it hitting 90c, but dont remember what time of the year it was either
cause if that wasnt during summer time, then its kinda....
on thin ice no?
toxic wigeon
Yeah I ran my 5600x on a stock cooler and due to how 2042 clocks cores it do be like reee.
pale quartz
if it's hitting 90 degrees with a 5700g then toss that cooler into the garbage lol
toxic wigeon
Yeah. You don't really have much to be concerned about as long as it doesn't hit 100.
river light
yeah no it doesnt hit 100, thats for sure
Im open for air cooler suggestions for the 5800x3d though
might as well pick up a cooler while im at it
dont know crap about coolers
ðŸ˜
river light
Oop-
pale quartz
thermalright peerless assassin is what you need
toxic wigeon
Ohhhh.
So there's a new option that's good.
Wait no I've heard of that.
It sounds familiar.
Burned toast.
river light
Not sure if i have that in my country
cause i can get the cpu by tomorrow if i order it
so i would have to wait for a cooler 💀
toxic wigeon
Lolrip
pale quartz
hyper 212 otherwise
toxic wigeon
You'll have to update your BIOS too.
To support x3d.
But that shouldn't be a problem.
river light
hyper 212 otherwise
cooler master?
pale quartz
river light
Dang, its so much cheaper than the other things ive been looking at
But i guess thats a good thing
toxic wigeon
Yes!
river light
But that shouldn't be a problem.
Weeelll.... it could be...
originally this pc was a prebuilt from hp (wasnt aware of that when i first bouight it)
So its got fucking custom motherboard
and the bios is scuffed
pale quartz
what board is it
river light
Errmmm
Hold on, let me find it
either way
ive been tempted to get a new motherboard
or try to install my old on in the case
but the case is fucking small
and i dont know if it fits 💀
pale quartz
you may not have a choice
river light
Yeah thats what im thinking too
pale quartz
the socket might be fused with the chip
river light
It could be
I have no idea at the moment
But in that case i could just rip all the good parts outta this junk and place it in my old pc
For example
pale quartz
as and why you'll need to find your board lol
river light
cause that was a custom one
trying to find out what its called
but the chipset has amd b550
hold on ðŸ˜
Hp call it "Hana"
Can i send links here?
pale quartz
yes
river light
Here it is
either way i do nto mind changing mothwerboard and case
as i do waant it do be fully custom
(which i originally thought it was before i received the darn thing xD)
nocturne drift
That's rip.
Also hyper 212 in 2023?
Oh year pearless assassin
Abit overkill but I recommend the ak400
Also HP might have proprietary cooler and screw holes.
Maybe u have to change alot of things.
🥲
storm osprey
Also hyper 212 in 2023?
i always hate when a products get "legendary" status that its still recommended despite much better options, be it with performance or price, but in this case, both...
nocturne drift
i always hate when a products get "legendary" status that its still recommended ...
Yeah. I see this alot in table tennis as well.
People be rocking best rubber pre 2000 and still think its good
quick locust
toxic wigeon
So as it turns out.
My friend's XTX was boosting to 3100 MHZ instead of the recommended 2680.
Which is why he got all the crashes.
pale quartz
My friend's XTX was boosting to 3100 MHZ instead of the recommended 2680.
yeah what happens when you use the non default profile on Radeon
small zinc
https://www.youtube.com/live/TC2OGL9mN4o?feature=share
I'm more intrigued by this than the Steam Deck to be honest. Being a full on Windows unit and essentially 2x the performance
Putting Ryujinx or Yuzu on here and making this a Nintendo Switch that doesn't suck.
brave sundial
Unfortunately it won't be viable for quick bursts of gaming
No sleep/suspend feature
And Windows sleep is literal rng
quick locust
I'm more intrigued by this than the Steam Deck to be honest. Being a full on Win...
I like the higher specs and better display but would prefer SteamOS or another distro
green shuttle
Guys I have a Ryzen 7 7700X and RTX 4070Ti, and im using a 1080p 165hz 27.1 inches monitor. I'm thinking to get a better monitot but im confused between 1440p and 4k that if 4k is worth the lag and high price (i will also use ps5 on this monitor)
storm osprey
id say in general 4k is not worth it, at least as a computer monitor
though it comes down to the games you play, the experience you want, and how far you sit away from your tv/monitor while playing
pale quartz
Guys I have a Ryzen 7 7700X and RTX 4070Ti, and im using a 1080p 165hz 27.1 inch...
you are bandwidth limited at 4k high refresh rates because the 40 series doesn't support DP 2.0 or higher without DSC, 1440p is your primary option
nocturne drift
Do 1440P High refresh rate. Easy
tired notch
Guys I have a Ryzen 7 7700X and RTX 4070Ti, and im using a 1080p 165hz 27.1 inch...
nah 4k is def not worth it
1440p is the a good balance between resolution and refresh rate
quick locust
you are bandwidth limited at 4k high refresh rates because the 40 series doesn't...
Imagine not having 2.0, smh
molten flame
AMD with 2.1 
toxic wigeon
All about that 2.2.
So I just learned that the Noctua 4080 exists and it looks to be the only dual fan 4080 I can find. Generally it'd cool as good, If not better than a full sized 4080 yeah?
Just looking at potential in the future with cards lol.
green shuttle
nah 4k is def not worth it
Aight thanks
green shuttle
you are bandwidth limited at 4k high refresh rates because the 40 series doesn't...
Ok yeah im convinced
1440p it is guys
thanks for the help
midnight crypt
its about time
pale quartz
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-proposes-x86s-a-64-bit-only-architecture
this is for royal core
distant oar
okay so guys im in the middle between 2 options now , i have GTX 1660S and RYZEN 5 3500x , im planning on upgrading soon but idk which one to go for first , upgrading the GPU to RTX 3060 TI or upgrading the CPU to RYZEN 5 5600x first?
pale quartz
okay so guys im in the middle between 2 options now , i have GTX 1660S and RYZEN...
there's not a first option, both need upgraded
distant oar
there's not a first option, both need upgraded
ik but like which one first? im planning on both
pale quartz
tldr it doesn't matter, the GPU I "suppose", but it's very slight
they're both pretty old and there's no "this one over the other"
quick locust
they're both pretty old and there's no "this one over the other"
Me with 8700K and A770
5 years between them
cobalt token
can anyone help me
im having trouble lauching the game
error 0xc000007b keeps showing up
pls help ive been trying to laucn the game for hours now
quick locust
This isnt a support channel
cobalt token
where is it then
quick locust
None on discord, just ea forums and online in general
cobalt token
None on discord, just ea forums and online in general
tried it none of it worked
storm osprey
hasnt that generally been a thing with nvida? at least compared to amd
570x had 8gb vram, while 1060 had 6gb
fast imp
and the price too
nividia has better pure power and performance, but worse pricing and options
brave sundial
hasnt that generally been a thing with nvida? at least compared to amd
Kind of expected for them to have learnt their lesson by now
storm osprey
Idk how they will learn their lesson if for all these years doing the same thing means they easily outsell amd every time
prime jasper
nividia has better pure power and performance, but worse pricing and options
Not exactly.
prime jasper
nvidia is so stingy with vram <:Alice:780153221263654962>
It's surprising to me they even released 16GB model of that
molten flame
7800XT, 7700XT and 7600XT all seem to have 16GB but 7600 is 8GB
7600 performance is like 6650XT but with power draw equivalent to 6600
RDNA3 is a fluke
Basically a RDNA2 refresh in terms of performance
RDNA4 will need to focus on brute force rasterization
They need to aim for at least a 50% performance uplift over 7900XTX
nocturne drift
This dry cabinet is such a W I can wash and deep clean table tennis blade not worrying about the wood taking in water.
The dry cabinet will just get rid of all the moisture throughout the blade.
novel fulcrum
after starting the search for a match, it searches but does not join, it just crashes how to fix it? bf2042
midnight crypt
google it
quick locust
fun times
midnight crypt
pog
dry pike
quick locust
Has 13600K shipped yet? <:CursedCat:869694866752405554>
No I doubt it will at this pount
Think I'll just wait and buy 14th gen
quick locust
TFW win a giveaway but don’t live in NA
I'm not even eligible for giveaways anymore but I was at the time
I'll just get 14th gen at this point
turbid verge
TFW win a giveaway but don’t live in NA
skill issue 
toxic wigeon
Question. What would DX12 errors be linked to? Gpu of course but if that's the case. What could go wrong in one to cause it?
quick locust
For driver, use DDU then get latest driver again, then try multiple dx12 games to see if it is resolved and if it is game specific
pale quartz
Question. What would DX12 errors be linked to? Gpu of course but if that's the c...
anything, tldr
DX as an entity is way too generic and you can't link one cause as a whole
rough scarab
if you have 3dmark you can just loop any of the dx12 test for a while and see if they crash
quick locust
DX as an entity is way too generic and you can't link one cause as a whole
Pretty much
At least ddu and newest driver is easiest test to do
But it can be more things
pale quartz
How could you trace it and deal with it?
there's no tracelog for what you're asking for
GPU crashes in the lower software stack cannot be traced, because it's not tracked
which is why error codes are used
rough scarab
on and older system I had crashes in every dx12 game from faulty ram couldn't pass stress tests even at stock
pale quartz
the driver is rarely if ever the cause
they're pretty generic as far as interfaces go, 99% of all errors are user responsible, be it unstable memory or otherwise
quick locust
More a pun for how many issues mine has
pale quartz
well that comes with your GPU price 
quick locust
0 usd ya
But yeah dx issues can be a lot so
Drivers, game, windows oopsie woopsies, unstable system oc
coarse nimbus
is it time to replace 8600k? 
nocturne drift
Yes
coarse nimbus
Im sure my fractal r6 wouldnt mind being reused.. cough
prime jasper
pale quartz
lol cause Nvidia hairworks wasn't bad enough they need to make a 2.0
prime jasper
prime jasper
really bad
should be named 4050 or something
tho i do not think amd will release much better cards
gonna be trash too
prime jasper
amd has problem with 7700 and 7800
its called 6800
still available
doesnt have vram problem and performs well, they will be only marginally faster in rasterization
nvidia has 3070 but no one wanna buy one now
due it being 8GB
quick locust
Battlemage when
nocturne drift
Told yall 300usd second hand 2080ti rn is the goat in USA rn
Only x8 as well
The cost cutting bruh
prime jasper
yep all stats say its 4050 ti at best not 4060 ti
nocturne drift
Wait don't u have a 2080ti?
quick locust
I have A770 and 2080 ti
nocturne drift
Why u using a slower gpu?
nocturne drift
If u watch the video he isn't out
ivory creek
wasnt 3060ti a good card for its pricepoint... looks like they dont keep up the success
ivory creek
good thing i didnt wait for it
was srsly thinking about waiting for 4060ti or 4070 before i bought my current gpu
toxic wigeon
Dude.
Steve just bending over in pain shows how bad this stuff is.
Like the 11th gen intel? That was BAD but it's not this.
pale quartz
but it was favourable for the 4060 ti
favourable would be light
"mid range king" according to him
said it would last forever like the 1060
quick locust
yes i have the video file lel
though review wasnt really done by him, but still
kinda opposite review of the other big usual channels
pale quartz
yes i have the video file lel
send it
toxic wigeon
Noctua 5080. 
idle belfry
keen shore
can someone tell me why Im getting 90-100 fps on lowest settings
while I have an rtx 3070 and r5 5600x...
has anyone experienced high cpu usage?
prime jasper
Sounds about right.
regal lagoon
toxic wigeon
while I have an rtx 3070 and r5 5600x...
Yeah I had the same as you. It's normal. Just turn on XMP and it'll be less painful on your CPU.
fickle sparrow
while I have an rtx 3070 and r5 5600x...
I have an rtx 3060ti and a Ryzen 7 5800x and I have pretty much the same
nocturne drift
Yall need to enable docp or axmp or whatever the mobo vendor calls it.
I get way higher fps with 8700k with only 2x8 single rank
fickle sparrow
How much fps?
molten flame
Zen 2 on 6nm is very efficient even compared to Zen 3
ivory creek
eh, my 3900x, thats a zen2 right? get more than 60fps in every game i play so far. good enough for me
the day it doesnt ill upgrade to a 5800x3d
molten flame
Zen 2 cores have better performance-per-area than Zen 3/4 and Raptor-Lake afaik
Hence why it’s still around
You can make a ultra-tiny CPU with Zen 2
pale quartz
Hence why it’s still around
Z2 is still around because it's CCD isn't consolidated for 8 complexes on zen 3
it's just much cheaper to build a half product, as isn't surprising
prime jasper
7600 is basically 6650XT
quick locust
So much for generational improvement this time
Only one company left to have decent uplift on midrange, hope they do
4090 was awesome but mid range has been uhh boring
toxic wigeon
Unfortunate really.
Higher end cards only providing a proper advancement.
I bet with drivers and that these new cards would be a bit better.
But it's kinda fucky.
Dumb as it sounds. I don't mind something like the 4070 being another 3080 as long as it wasn't too fucking pricey.
toxic wigeon
Actual pain.
toxic wigeon
quick locust
But with twice the bus and vram
quick locust
Unfortunate really.
Yeah only 4090 was awesome imo
Mid range is boring this gen for both amd and nvidia
toxic wigeon
7900xtx and the 4080 are pretty banger too but the true star is the 4090 yeah.
nocturne drift
Yall think amd will save yall 
molten flame
Yall think amd will save yall <:OMEGALUL:562440529573576714>
RDNA4 
the 4 means 4 GHz
nocturne drift
Yeah Rdna4 will be generationally faster!
Queue that adoredTV accent
How is Nvidia gonna live!
Yeah tech is soo f ed rn. Gonna go back to talking about table tennis in the other discord.
quick locust
Time for battlemage to do well hopefully
Since the others are stinky
Even A770 is within 2% of 7600
A770 is 2% better so about same
toxic wigeon
I just want a Noctua 5080.
nocturne drift
I thought noctua are gonna make their own normal sized gpu fans but super cool design and quiet
But they literally just strapped 2 120mm fans on a contraption
💀
toxic wigeon
HOLY IT'S SO BIG.
I DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE SO BIG!
Erm... The Noctua GPU AHAHAHA.
ivory creek
lol
toxic wigeon
oyeah
prime jasper
So much for generational improvement this time
yeah just like everyone expected
missed opportunity
anyway its 8GB card and no one should really buy one now
ivory creek
seeing as gtx 1650 which i think is 4gb is the most used card on steam 8 gb is an improvement
ivory creek
true
prime jasper
and if you really want 8GB just get 6650xt or 3060ti lol
quick locust
anyway its 8GB card and no one should really buy one now
also apparently launch was chaos and they changed price less than 24 hours before embargo
prime jasper
or 3060 12GB if you can find one lol
prime jasper
also apparently launch was chaos and they changed price less than 24 hours befor...
should had gone lower
6650xt can be bought for under 300€
7600 will be 310€
prime jasper
yea but hard to find prolly
prime jasper
i dont think 7700/7800xt will be much better than this release lol
quick locust
Used market here sucks with prices
prime jasper
nvidia released one good gpu this gen if you ignore all the problems it had lol
prime jasper
if amd can really price cut with 7700/7800xt they can win this gen
prime jasper
not really
idle belfry
ivory creek
i hope intel get better and better and become a real competitor
quick locust
ivory creek
just read that imax even tho its recorded in extreme resolution only is displayed by two lenses that equal in 4k together, yet the picture is razorsharp on their huge pictures. do we really need more?
crude pewter
Having trouble running 2042 at a stable fps of 60+ lol, running medium settings too and RT turned off etc.
Specs:
i7 9700k
16GB ram
RTX 4070
1Tb SSD
750W PSU
Any solutions?
midnight crypt
have you enabled xmp
crude pewter
have you enabled xmp
What’s that?
midnight crypt
a bios setting for your ram to run faster
crude pewter
My ram is at the max
midnight crypt
i doubt it since you didnt know what xmp is
toxic wigeon
Need a new CPU.
ivory creek
see if theres some guide which tells u which settings to reduce to put less stress on the cpu
if there is any
crude pewter
Need a new CPU.
No man, that’s a waste.
crude pewter
if there is any
Doubt it with the state of 2042s optimisation.
ivory creek
idk
toxic wigeon
This game needs a cpu with hyper/mutlithreading. You can make it work with gen 9 but don't expect high performance.
crude pewter
I’ll have a look though:)
crude pewter
This game needs a cpu with hyper/mutlithreading. You can make it work with gen 9...
Literally the only game that I have issues with, telling me I need a new cpu is just telling me to waste money when literally every other game my cpu is overkill.
This game is by far the worst optimised game released
BFV ez max monitor 144hz
ivory creek
hehe, try games like the last of us to pc
toxic wigeon
This game is just more demanding.
crude pewter
hehe, try games like the last of us to pc <:leo:760110335687524423>
Isn’t Jedi fallen order meant to kill pcs? 🤣
toxic wigeon
They've optimised what they could.
I had an r5 5600x and it ran the game on 100 to 110 frames pretty smoothly.
And I have a 3080 coupled in.
crude pewter
They've optimised what they could.
They can do far better if they fix their engine.
BFV with the same player count with higher graphics and ray tracing preforms better
toxic wigeon
2018 game performing better than 2021 game yes.
That's normal.
Graphically you're fine. Cpu you're not.
For this game.
Considering how much it demands don't be surprised about the hiccups you're getting.
5600x ran on 90%. My 5800x3d doesn't even break a sweat now.
crude pewter
For this game.
Yes your proving my point, no point in wasting money a new cpu when my current one is totally fine. My cpu is not the problem, it’s the game.
toxic wigeon
It's a 4 year old cpu without multithreading of course it'd run into issues.
Multi to hyper it's all the fucking same in the end christ alive.
crude pewter
I’ll wait til then
toxic wigeon
Don't complain when your CPU has a stroke in 128p then.
crude pewter
5800x3d has 96mb L3?
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
crude pewter
Wtf
ivory creek
5800x3d is a beast
toxic wigeon
It's a funny little chip.
7800x3d being a monster.
7950x3d existing the way it does but 7800x3d doing the same without the crazy amount of cores.
midnight crypt
i got myself a 7800x3d
toxic wigeon
NICE.
midnight crypt
it increased my frames by like 50
toxic wigeon
What did you have originally?
midnight crypt
9900k
ivory creek
im happy that i have 5800x3d to go to when my 3900x isnt enough anymore
crude pewter
Cheap af too
midnight crypt
also kinda poo ram with it
toxic wigeon
I know that trigger has a 9900k and it does the job. But that barely does the job.
toxic wigeon
im happy that i have 5800x3d to go to when my 3900x isnt enough anymore
Wait so you have one sitting around?
toxic wigeon
Oh fair.
ivory creek
seeing as i can use my current x570 mobo with it
pale quartz
They can do far better if they fix their engine.
nothing engine, your CPU is 60% slower in pure IPC from the current generation, and as way pointed out it doesn't have hyperthreading, time for an upgrade my guy
nocturne drift
That low fps on a 9700k?
That's crazy
My friend has a 9700k and he has almost no trouble lol
Idk what condition yall on running on.
pale quartz
he's running a 4070 with a 9700k, the Nvidia driver overhead will be plaguing him
one of the consequences of legacy driver stacks unfortunately
nocturne drift
Nah. 9700k isn't that bad. I know it's not hyperthread but it's still 8 cores. If my friend has no issue with hogwarts Legacy and jedi survivor with it idk what yall doing
9700k + 2080 super should not have more fps than 9700k + 4070
pale quartz
it's 8 cores, and 8 threads, its no different to a 4 core 8 thread system
nocturne drift
U seriously don't believe u just said that
pale quartz
no it's true, virtualizing cores has no performance penalty
which is what hyperthreading does
he has 0 room to brute force the overhead
nocturne drift
Yeah but one core with hyperthread doesn't just magically 2x performance of two cores without hyperthread
pale quartz
I don't think you understand virtualizing mazda
it's not about performance, it's about scheduling
the only difference is one has 8 physical cores, the 4 core processor has 8 virtual cores, there's no end difference from a software standpoint, which is what matters
nocturne drift
All I care is about what is the fps on the screen. It's not that serious.
I have plenty personal experience with 9700k.
pale quartz
that's cool and all but it doesn't change anything
nocturne drift
I brought a system with 9700k + 2080ti last year. I tested 2042 on it. I know the fps
It's sure not 60ish
pale quartz
your 2080ti (one) isn't a 4070 and 2, has significantly less driver overhead than lovelace
it is generational, not by performance
the newer it is the more severe
nocturne drift
I heard of this can i see that video again?
pale quartz
sure you can search it
and your 2080ti from memory? was overclocked to hell and back aswell, so it's not really a fair comparison
nocturne drift
No it's a Asus dual 2080ti that's not A1 die
My timespy and speedway #1 is kingpin 2080ti
pale quartz
gotcha
nocturne drift
This is a pc I want to sell to my friend but I sold it for 800 cause his wife was like nah
Imagine passing up on a 9700k 2080ti 32gb 3200 2tb system for 600 usd
I know Nvidia has driver overhead on cpu but I don't see how each generation gets worse when the raw performance is the same.
A 4080 or 4090 yes
pale quartz
we don't know, is the answer
nocturne drift
But 4070 isn't fast
pale quartz
don't have a technical explanation* that is
nocturne drift
It's sht thanks to Nvidia
pale quartz
it's clearly architecture related but anything else is just hypothesis
nocturne drift
It's as fast as a 3080 and my kingpin 2080ti
Really tells u how sht Nvidia this gen is besides 4090
pale quartz
it shows, aswell
we never had these weird anomalies occurring so frequently with disparate hardware combinations during pascal and Turing
time is a plague, I suppose
whatever it is Nvidia need to get their act together because it's haunting them like a plague
nocturne drift
I mean if amd actually steps up....
Which they don't.
@quick locust intel PLEASE
pale quartz
AMD don't care either, it's just about money
quick locust
BMG won't be next while though
pale quartz
they don't have this issue but they're certainly not going to drop prices
quick locust
so you'll have to deal with meh nvidia and amd midrange for a bit
nocturne drift
Battlemage better be dark magician level from yu gi oh
pale quartz
BMG won't be next while though
might be conservative giving AXG got gutted
more layoffs are definitely coming to intel through this year
nocturne drift
Also 9700k isn't that bad. It destroys 7700k when both are at 5.1ghz tested by GN. 8 core 8 threads vs 4 cores 8 threads.
But if I build now it's 12th gen intel or zen4.
quick locust
I'm waiting for mtl, will be giant upgrade over my 8700K
pale quartz
well yeah as it should, 7th and 9th gen generationally isn't insignificant
but it's still horrible by today's metrics
which is the only thing that can be measured by
regarding the DO, you see it here
9400f with a 3080 having a grand total of 0 difference to end performance, it's very severe
nocturne drift
I saw this but they didn't campare with gen to gen Nvidia cards.
quick locust
I have become cpu
pale quartz
that's valid given the video was more to do with RDNA Vs NV, but it's highlighted throughout the video, it only becomes more severe, which is why it's generational
nocturne drift
Gen gen regression I mean
pale quartz
that's a well nice way of putting it I suppose
nocturne drift
Yes but 3080 number is not lower than 2060.
nocturne drift
So his 9700k is just skill issue.
pale quartz
more or less
quick locust
zen 1 
pale quartz
it's fucking horrible that upgrading GPUs will net a 0 increase, or near 0 with this combination
nocturne drift
Because if I drop a 4070 in that system I had. It should not be less fps than 2080ti.
pale quartz
no amount of DLSS3 will save it either
crude pewter
Could not be assed upgrading just for 2042
nocturne drift
That's fine. But make sure ur 9700k is running correctly at least.
Same goes to those 5600X users before.
crude pewter
That's fine. But make sure ur 9700k is running correctly at least.
Seems to be, 2042 only game that I have an issue with.
Most games max out my refresh rate of my monitor
pale quartz
do you have spectre patches?
nocturne drift
That's cause u don't play cpu intense games. And when u do u just say it's badly optimized
pale quartz
^
you've only really got 2 options, upgrade the processor, or ironically, get a AMD card
crude pewter
I play CoD, the older bf games, modded Bethesda games, rust, dayz, hell let loose, squad, fifa then just other random shit lol
pale quartz
never thought I'd say that
crude pewter
you've only really got 2 options, upgrade the processor, or ironically, get a AM...
Nah I’ll just spend 600 on a newer i7 and motherboard early next year.
and ram of course
pale quartz
COD? is that something you play often?
pale quartz
then the AMD option, is oddly, your better choice
quick locust
AMD does very well in cod
crude pewter
AMD CPU or GPU?
quick locust
abnormally so
pale quartz
GPU
quick locust
gpu
crude pewter
Nah nah plz no
quick locust
its an amd outlier
molten flame
cuz consoles
nocturne drift
At my workplace we stability tested warzone 2 and the game looks fun.
crude pewter
Modded games as in graphically
pale quartz
depends on the game? if it's Minecraft or something then it's your best option
crude pewter
Skyrim, fallout 4
nocturne drift
Dude it's not that serious. Just get a good cpu and mobo and ram u already have a 4070
pale quartz
I can't remember the performance of RDNA on them, but I don't see why? it would be an issue
should be fine
quick locust
skyrim launched on a system with 256MB vram
crude pewter
Dude it's not that serious. Just get a good cpu and mobo and ram u already have ...
Yeah that’s what I’m planning, I’m not that bothered that I can’t play 2042 at smooth fps.
nocturne drift
Just get the parts make sure they are running right and enjoy ur game.
crude pewter
I’m happy as long as I can play every other game
pale quartz
even a zen 3 combo is at max like 300
which is a drastic difference for you, especially
nocturne drift
Nah zen3 without 3D is not it.
nocturne drift
5600x is not it. See people complaining with their 5600x already
pale quartz
it's not, optimal, but I mean compared to now it's infinitely better
not something I'd advise personally, but it's serviceable
quick locust
Nah nah plz no
crude pewter
i7 13700k good option ya?
nocturne drift
Yes
pale quartz
12th gen/13th gen 600k and above/zen 3 are all fine
or zen 4, take your pick
lot of options these days
for 13th gen you'll have to buy a ILM to fix contact issues, but it's not expensive
ivory creek
if hyperthreading is the issue, cant you try to find an i9 9900k extremely cheap secondhand or something. or maybe thats a complete waste
pale quartz
if hyperthreading is the issue, cant you try to find an i9 9900k extremely cheap...
it's a waste of money
ivory creek
k
pale quartz
mm fair enough, I just wouldn't run it without personally
nocturne drift
I think z790 mobo did smth with the mount maybe compared to z690
pale quartz
I heard some AIBs included it in some boards, but doubt it was universal
considering margins on boards are non existent at the best of times
keen shore
If the cpu usage is as high as gpu usage, is it considered a cpu bottleneck?
this only happens in bf2042
nocturne drift
if ur gpu usage is about 95-100% all the time, its gpu bottleneck, if its anything lower, its cpu bottleneck
prime jasper
midnight crypt
that can happen on the 4090 too
pale quartz
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-frame-generation-limits/
I had warned about FG regressing performance months ago as the GI accelerator running interpolation physically is faster than the card itself, this will only become more of a problem as time goes on
molten flame
prime jasper
yep, cheapest 309.9€ as i predicted
some stores might have 299 if they wanna undercut
4060TI is 460€
crude pewter
Is the 4060ti good?
candid flame
No
pale quartz
no
toxic wigeon
no
kindred drift
Does anybody have some good tips for improving my fps on 2042? My specs are (And yes I know this is absolutely atrocious):
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz
7.85 GB RAM
1920-1080, 75Hz
(I am also running NVIDIA Driver version 532.03)
Or should I just refund?
crude pewter
Does anybody have some good tips for improving my fps on 2042? My specs are (And...
Probably can’t improve ur fps with those specs tbh
It’s the cpu that’s the problem tbh, GPU is pretty bad as well.
lyric briar
My game gives me horrible frame drops and massive keyboard input lag I’ve tried so many ways with to fix it my pc what uses a 2060 if 8600k and nothing works however if I use a controller what I don’t want to do there is no input lag but still bad frames when I know it can run the newest games on 150+ fps
nocturne drift
My game gives me horrible frame drops and massive keyboard input lag I’ve tried ...
new PC
nocturne drift
then don't complain about low fps. Cause 2042 is cpu and ram heavy.
new AAA games are all cpu heavy
lyric briar
My main issue is input lag I can deal with the fps u specimen
toxic wigeon
That's caused because your hardware in inadequate.
prime jasper
Intel lowers the a750 to 199 dollars
molten flame
nocturne drift
Lower fps = higher latency or u call it input lag.
keen shore
Do you guys think a 700w psu can handle an rtx 4070 ti and a ryzen 7 5800x3d?
nocturne drift
If it's a good 700w sure.
toxic wigeon
I would easily suggest an 800.
weak girder
Does anybody have some good tips for improving my fps on 2042? My specs are (And...
You cant
More ram, new cpu, new gpu
terse glade
Intel lowers the a750 to 199 dollars
No wonder, it's s Lemon
pale quartz
Nah I don’t need one
yes you do lol
quick locust
Intel lowers the a750 to 199 dollars
Good stuff
spring seal
Does anybody have some good tips for improving my fps on 2042? My specs are (And...
Here's an actually helpful response. Go to Nvidia control panel - Adjust image sett - tick Use My Preference - Move slider to performance far left. Next, Manage 3D sett - program settings -BF2042 - pwr management - max perf. Negative LOD Bias - Allow. Texture Filt Quality - High Performance. You can try Low Latency Mode on / ultra if you really need lower input lag, or you can leave it off and increase Virt. Rea. pre-rendered frames to 2 or 3 if you can stand the lag for higher smoother fps. It's a trade off.
pale quartz
lol
wet notch
anyone here used armoury crate?
pale quartz
the Asus utility? yeah I have it on my laptop
wet notch
i was using it to do a check my fans but it crashed in mid test and now i cant run the test again
and the gpu fans stopped completely
heelp
pale quartz
reinstall the software
wet notch
will that fix fans?
wet notch
legit scared right now
i think it might have damaged the fans on my gfx card no joke
ok, so uh, the fans started running kinda slow during windows start up, but once windows was up, they stopped
so reinstall windows?
spring seal
Does anybody have some good tips for improving my fps on 2042? My specs are (And...
last reply. If you're willing to scale your resolution, there is one method that increases fps the most. You'll have to follow the attatched video and play with sharpness settings. The default Nvidia Image Scaling uses a different sharpening / scaling algorithm that performs worse and looks worse to some.
You can add a config file to boost fps. it's just a word file using commands for the Frostbite engine. game's gonna look different tho.
Disable Steam overlay and Origin in game even if you have the steam version. Lastly, disable Game Bar. in youtube search fixing game bar with the asterisks. it's the video by Panjno. the attatched is for Scaling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iras1heCCb4
spring seal
ok, so uh, the fans started running kinda slow during windows start up, but once...
I would recommend installing Fan Control. Much better than armoury crate for fans. Very easy software and it'll override BIOS or software fan settings if they happened to reset.
wet notch
i only wanted to use it to turn off RGB on fans originally
and now it looks like i need to reinstall windows fml
spring seal
no dude there are things to try before that
Your issue is that your fans don't work now after the Armoury crash yeah? Fan control should fix it, and if it doesn't we know there's something else wrong.
pale quartz
no, it's not that simple
armoury crate contains the SDK controls which control his fans
fan control does not, they are proprietary binaries
@wet notch reinstall the software, it's your only choice
wet notch
i did
i uninstalled it and after starting up windows without software installed gpu fan does not start
pale quartz
well yeah, of course it doesnt
armoury crate is required
you have to have it installed
pale quartz
that means it's failing the POST request at boot
as in, very good chance it's hardware damaged
spring seal
try fan control.. wouldnt hurt
pale quartz
do you have a RPM reading for the fans?
wet notch
let me check
pale quartz
it should say 0, if so the software is fine and that can be ruled out
pale quartz
RPM.. just your fans measurement of curve speed
it will have nothing since it's dead obviously
wet notch
is it called gpu rpm?
pale quartz
yes
pale quartz
er I know armoury crate has it by default, so yeah the fan is 90% dead
can't be detected at POST or by the driver is fatal
lucky for you they're inexpensive to replace so just take it to a repair shop
wet notch
dude i legit got the computer 2 days ago
pale quartz
prebuilt?
wet notch
yes
pale quartz
send it back for warranty
wet notch
yeah i will
pale quartz
good chance it's recycled parts
pale quartz
sure thing
surreal citrus
the fans stop working once i get to windows login
Hangg on so fans work till the log-in screen shows up?
pale quartz
they don't, work
the POST sequence is done that tests if the fans can spin at boot with different combinations of RPM
max 80% 60% etc
then it dies after since it fails
pale quartz
no
the RPM is controlled by the firmware, not the BIOS
the BIOS simply tests for hardware integrity
surreal citrus
U can set rpm in bios tho 🤔?
pale quartz
no, you can control dedicated fans (PWM/DC headers)
the GPU fans are explicit to the vBIOS
surreal citrus
Ahh gpu 🥲
pale quartz
and locked down by the manufacturer
surreal citrus
Sorry didn't read that
pale quartz
sure thing
surreal citrus
To me it still feels can something is fucking it up
Not hardware
But software 🤔
Just plug them into a header on mobo to test 🗿
pale quartz
the software killed the fans based on the description
dying during testing is well, abnormal but explains why it shutdown
surreal citrus
I find it hard, fans die cuz of software
pale quartz
it happens more than you'd think
surreal citrus
I mean there is not much hardware in a fan
pale quartz
err there's a decent amount
surreal citrus
it happens more than you'd think
Really my first time coming across it
pale quartz
at least 3 different types of stack interface with a fan, at a minimum, its very easy to kill a fan by executing its curve over what it can support
which is why they're locked down to begin with
and if you (test) them like this you're putting it through extreme boundary situations, which is suspect for them dying
it's not really feasible to plug them into a header, would need to be dismantled for that
surreal citrus
at least 3 different types of stack interface with a fan, at a minimum, its very...
Hmm 🤔, i see
pale quartz
and even if they do work, the header is dead on the card so vice versa
surreal citrus
I should read a bit more about it
wet notch
I am resetting Windows atm. Fans actually running on gfx card during the reset/reinstall
But not getting my hopes up yet
pale quartz
do you mean running as in at a constant speed?
wet notch
Yeah
pale quartz
yer I mean if it wasn't then you'd have much bigger issues, hope it works even if I have my doubts it's driver side
you'll get your answer soon anyways
wet notch
Yeah
surreal citrus
Well, looks like it was software after all 🤔
wet notch
could be firmware i think?
surreal citrus
U can't change firmware
wet notch
im doing the resetting windows but keeping files atm, will see if that works, if it doesnt, I will reset and remove all personal files as well
surreal citrus
Well not with normal methods
wet notch
i dont know how armoury crate works tbh
surreal citrus
im doing the resetting windows but keeping files atm, will see if that works, if...
That should not matter
Just reinstall gpu drivers
Do a hard and clean install of them
wet notch
windows is 82% reset
surreal citrus
under no circumstances do you touch your GPU vBIOS
I've learnt the hard way 🥲
pale quartz
it's your GPU firmware
surreal citrus
Good
Forget it
Just stay with windows
And reinstall the gpu drivers
Also how are you testing if the fans spin or not?
surreal citrus
No
wet notch
so the fans stopped once i got into windows again
surreal citrus
If the teps aren't high enough the fans will stop
wet notch
its still reinstalling, but you know how it goes into the windows interface sometimes to install drivers etc
wet notch
trust me someting is wrong, the temps do get hot
i only this comp for like 1-2 days only but i can tell it gets too hot
surreal citrus
Just do a stress test pls
wet notch
it was super cool before i did that armoury crate thing
surreal citrus
Just to be sire
pale quartz
you can't do a stress test
wet notch
how to do stress test
pale quartz
@wet notch tldr your fans are 99% dead, you can do that if you want but it won't change anything
wet notch
im pretty sure the gfx fans arent supposed to be non moving lol
surreal citrus
Just do a stres test pls
wet notch
how to do a stress test?