technology

[pale quartz]

it isnt about processors

[small zinc]

You can deny this all you want. Reducing voltage reduces temps.

Period.

[pale quartz]

??

theres no denial?

[small zinc]

I understand it's not just about CPU's. Applies to electronic theory in general

Ohm's Law.

[pale quartz]

again

read the comment, properly

will do you some good

[small zinc]

I did undervolt, managed to get lower voltage & power draw at for the same fps, but my temp stays the same prior to undervolting

Yep

read.

[pale quartz]

mine

not theirs

lol

[small zinc]

Ok. The sensors may change but actual temps don't?

Again. Thats completely incorrect

Completely

[pale quartz]

yeah, it'd be wrong if thats what i said, but its not

[small zinc]

"the reported temperature, the sensors on GPUs are on or around the die, only serious levels of mV undervolting will actually produce any difference"

Your comment

That's incorrect

[pale quartz]

..

please understand, reported, and real temperature

they arent the same thing

[small zinc]

I do. Please understand Ohm's Law

[pale quartz]

..

[small zinc]

Please understand how electricity works

[pale quartz]

my guy youre not doing yourself any favours here

[small zinc]

When you do, then we can have an intelligent conversation

[pale quartz]

the sensor on the die is an approximation

thats the point

its not the actual temperature on the GPU

[small zinc]

I know you think you're correct all the time. You're not. Neither am I. In this particular instance. Your comment is vastly incorrect

[pale quartz]

what..?

the polling is literally a milisecond rate collection

[small zinc]

You can argue actual temps vs reported temps all you'd like

[pale quartz]

what the fuck are you talking about

[small zinc]

Oh, going to play that card huh?

lol

ok

[pale quartz]

theres no card being played dude, stop acting like this is some game with an end conclusion

they are using software

[small zinc]

"wHaT aRe yOu TaLkinG aBouT?" You know exactly what I'm talking about. Your statement regarding voltages and their relation to heat is incorrect. I quoted your own reply, and there's no ambiguation to that.

[pale quartz]

no my guy, you just didnt have a clue apparently what the hell i was talking about

[small zinc]

I understand it perfectly well.

"the reported temperature, the sensors on GPUs are on or around the die, only serious levels of mV undervolting will actually produce any difference"

Define "serious"

[pale quartz]

what does that mean

please tell me, because i already told you

and you still got it wrong

[small zinc]

I'm quoting your own reply. This not your reply?

[pale quartz]

..

[small zinc]

If I could link images, I'd happily cut and paste your own reply from a screen capture.

[pale quartz]

im not partaking in this stupid discussion, but ill say this once to clear up misinformation, the reported software temperature on the die is a 500ms period interval collection which is taken from the card (the median average temperature at that time), this does not mean the actual temperature the card is having

[small zinc]

Please enlighten all of us then on what you're talking about, because I feel like you're arguing something you know you're incorrect about, and now you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole.

[pale quartz]

no my guy

you just assumed random things, thats all

[small zinc]

Who gives a fuck about what the collection interval is? Reducing voltage will reduce heat. Period.

The end.

[pale quartz]

did you not put two and two together about why they're not not seeing any difference?

[small zinc]

I'm quoting your own words.

Deco — Today at 5:28 PM
the reported temperature, the sensors on GPUs are on or around the die, only serious levels of mV undervolting will actually produce any difference

[pale quartz]

good thank you for doing that, now unless youve got something meaningful to contribute to the topic, it doesnt do anything

[small zinc]

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

Incorrect statement.

[pale quartz]

right

now please read the reported temperature for the fucking third time

and stop acting like its the actual temperature

[small zinc]

Nope. Doesn't matter. We are now talking about your exact words

and you're incorrect on voltage doesn't = heat.

[pale quartz]

we are, so youre in agreement? cause this is beyond stupid now

leave it my guy, youre getting nowhere

[small zinc]

When you can admit you're incorrect. I will

[pale quartz]

lol

k, you do that

[small zinc]

Ohm's Law makes you incorrect. At least the rest of us with any electronic theory basic knowledge understands that.

[pale quartz]

glad youre talking about electrical theory now, when you bother actually returning to the topic the user was asking to begin with, let me know

[small zinc]

You want to pin point one thing here. I'm trying to get you to understand your own words is incorrect. If you're going to pass on incorrect information to people who are seeking legitimate help, then you lose any credibility at all when it comes to said help, regardless of your knowledge of (insert topic here).

[pale quartz]

what?

i literally answered why they arent seeing any difference, what the hell are you talking about

[small zinc]

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

This is what I'm talking about.

Not your reply?

This not you?

[pale quartz]

then please for god sake read the last 10 minute discussion for clarity, because its not rocket science

[small zinc]

Go ahead and read your words

Makes the prior 10 minutes moot.

[pale quartz]

do you get enjoyment out of this

[small zinc]

Not really. But I'm going to call you out on something when you're vastly incorrect on this particular subject

[pale quartz]

so youre choosing to ignore the last 10 minutes?

lol

my guy, if this is how you go about partaking in discussions, you might want to learn the basics of it

[small zinc]

Yes I am. Why? Because your words are as follows:

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

[pale quartz]

right glad you admitted it, can end it there

getting nowhere

[small zinc]

Don't know how to be wrong do you?

Gotcha. Had better arguments from my 13 year old son.

[cursive marten]

You responded to a statement about temperature sensors on GPU's with 3 articles about undervolting CPU's, and then acted like that was somehow relevant to the discussion.

[small zinc]

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

Responding to this.

You can get on your high horse as much as you want. This is just plain wrong.

[cursive marten]

I can post a screenshot of what was said too motherfucker.

[small zinc]

Sure. I'm responding to this:

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

No matter how much you link to me. This will be an incorrect statement.

The end.

[cursive marten]

You responded to a statement about GPU TEMPERATURE SENSORS WITH THREE DIFFERENT ARTICLES ABOUT UNDERVOLTING CPU'S and acted like that was supposed to be relevant.

I am only posting what you said.

[small zinc]

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

Incorrect

Get more on your high horse

It's wrong

The end.

[cursive marten]

bruh you're not even acknowledging the statement here

[small zinc]

I've acknowledged the actual discussion. I'm responding to the HIGHLY incorrect statement

No matter how much you try to white knight this, doesn't make it right

But keep white knighting all you'd like.

[cursive marten]

You haven't acknowledged it, you haven't said anything about why you thought linking 3 articles on CPU undervolting is somehow relevant when Deco mentioned GPU temperature sensors.

[pale quartz]

soon as you figure out less heat means, software level, as was the original topic, get back to me

[small zinc]

Soon as you figure out less voltage = less heat

get back to me

[cursive marten]

Like i get it, G and C tend to be similar looking when you're reading fast

but you need to slow down a bit

[small zinc]

Deco — Today at 4:29 PM
no, undervolting doesnt = less heat

Going to keep quoting this until you all acknowledge this

Then we can move on.

[nocturne drift]

What's ur undervolt? Also what card?

https://youtu.be/4Y7CWo_dA0s

This is a OK guide and he is not doing it wrong like vast majority of people.

Evga precision X1 works as well and I recommend that if u have evga card

[winged skiff]

just my GPU

[winged skiff]

MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio

I undervolt, managed to achieve lower power consumption + lower voltage for the same peformance in game, but yah, my temp is roughly the same as without undervolting

I saw on forum and whatnot that the decrease was drastic

for temperature

[nocturne drift]

What's ur undervolt?

[winged skiff]

meanwhile for me it's like 1-2 degree difference

887 @ 1920 i think

[nocturne drift]

If u are hitting the power limit regardless it won't change a thing

[winged skiff]

previously my GPU draws above of 350

now it's rarely goes above 300

and even if it does, it's like below 320

so im happy with that

[nocturne drift]

That's fine

[winged skiff]

but ya, didnt change too much temp wise

[nocturne drift]

Prob fan curve

[winged skiff]

well I'll get back to you when I get home for lunch break

[nocturne drift]

887 @ 1920 that's pretty impressive

[winged skiff]

is it? i saw someone with like 920 @ 1920-1950

i thought this was pretty conservative lol

this is my first time doing undervolting btw

[nocturne drift]

Yeah that's very high clock for low voltage

Unless u did the dragging one dot up method

[winged skiff]

you got me

is it wrong?

[nocturne drift]

Yeah

[winged skiff]

shoot

[winged skiff]

I'll give this a watch later then

[nocturne drift]

It's the I just saw optimum tech and tech yes city on YouTube undervolt

[winged skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpfYTi43TE&t=243s

yeah this is the vid I used

[nocturne drift]

[winged skiff]

the chart shows 887 @ 1900, but I tried going higher to 1920 and I managed to do it just fine

im not sure if it will damage my GPU or system if I do something wrong is all

[nocturne drift]

Nah

U just lose performance

Cause there is something called effective clock

Doing that method it shows ur doing 1920 whatever but effective clock is lower

[winged skiff]

so I can go lower voltage?

[nocturne drift]

You have to shift the original curve and drag everything to the right down

Not dragging one dot.

[winged skiff]

hemm, I did follow a guide where they told me to reduce the GPU Clock down by -250

and then after that, move one dot (887) up to 1920

[nocturne drift]

Yeah that's not how it works.

[winged skiff]

that's what I did

great!

good to know i did it wrong lol

cause i feel like there's something to it

[pale quartz]

with overclocking/UV on Nvidia cards, you are fighting against the curve boost state

[winged skiff]

is undervolting counts as overclocking?

oh okay

[pale quartz]

it's extremely erratic at stock tldr

[winged skiff]

it's nice if someone has the same GPU as mine and already have it all set up lol

[nocturne drift]

You for example +150, hit apply. Then let's say I want this card to not go over 950mv. U drag every dot right of 950mv down, then apply.

[pale quartz]

^ to that, make sure its actually stable

and that's not checking an FPS counter

[nocturne drift]

This u will get best effective clock and not lose performance

[pale quartz]

run it through a GPU cruncher like furmark to make sure it doesn't crash

[nocturne drift]

The 1920 will actually be around 1920

[winged skiff]

how to know if it crash?

[pale quartz]

well you'll get a black screen lol

[nocturne drift]

Funny thing is the hardest game to stabilize in my testing is Bf2042

[pale quartz]

and the card will freeze the system

[nocturne drift]

So play some Bf2042

[winged skiff]

but undervolting mens I have to get it down, yeah?

[nocturne drift]

Watch the video I think it tells

[winged skiff]

I went from 3070ti to 3090
bf2042 went from 170 to 230
im happy

[pale quartz]

it's not just crashing though, artifacting and voltage stability are critical

[winged skiff]

but zamn the power draw tho

[winged skiff]

will it revert itself?

[pale quartz]

er, if it crashes yes

[nocturne drift]

Yeah 3090 at 1.1v can draw 540+w in normal 1440p timespy

[pale quartz]

but it can't detect instability

[nocturne drift]

Samsung 8nm gang gang

[winged skiff]

i got micron?

i think it's called

not the samsung one

[nocturne drift]

That's vram

[winged skiff]

oh

i remember i saw it has samsung on my gpu tho, forgot which part

[nocturne drift]

The gpu die for 30series are all Samsung 8nm

[pale quartz]

any other circumstance of instability e.g. microstuttering or artifact corruption can't be detected by the driver, you will need to do that testing yourself

[winged skiff]

ah okay

also, how do i enable resizeable bar?

[pale quartz]

BIOS

[winged skiff]

I think I already set it to on

[nocturne drift]

In bios

[winged skiff]

on my BIOS

[pale quartz]

oh

[winged skiff]

not GPU BIOS yeah?

[pale quartz]

what card is it

[nocturne drift]

Mobo bios

[winged skiff]

MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio

[pale quartz]

you'll need to update the card vBIOS

[winged skiff]

my mobo is gigabyte b550m aorus elite

[winged skiff]

will I fuck shit up?

[pale quartz]

ampere doesn't have native support for resizeable bar except on later SKUs

[winged skiff]

im afraid with updating BIOS

[pale quartz]

uh well

if you do it correctly no it'll work fine

if not then yes

[nocturne drift]

I mean I helped 40+ people haven't bricked a mobo yet

[pale quartz]

it's with the GPU vBIOS this one

[winged skiff]

BIOS version for my 3090 is 94.02.42.00.F1

[pale quartz]

you can use tech power ups GPU checker for the updated bios revision

[winged skiff]

i never update a GPU BIOS in my life LOL

GPU-Z?

I have that installed, yeah

[pale quartz]

yes

there's a guide on updating the BIOS, can't remember where but it's on their site

just be extremely careful with what version you choose

[winged skiff]

hmm I'll try resetting my undervolt and update BIOS first

[winged skiff]

there's version to choose? not just straight to latest?

or is it like mobo bios?

[pale quartz]

nevermind ignore what I said

[nocturne drift]

https://us.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3090-GAMING-X-TRIO-24G/support#bios

Here u go

[pale quartz]

Nvidia decided to keep their apparent generic took silent

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5165/~/nvidia-resizable-bar-firmware-update-tool#:~:text=On the bottom left of,”%2C you're set. use this instead

[nocturne drift]

Just follow that and ur good

Day 9 on waiting for Z790 apex 🥲

[pale quartz]

you'd think a crucial piece like that would be in the Nvidia control panel but dumb Nvidia shenanigans at it again

[winged skiff]

shit i have no image perm

[pale quartz]

Imgur/DM it

[nocturne drift]

Just use the msi one

Y use dumb ah Nvidia one

[pale quartz]

it doesn't actually update the firmware, it checks if the revision supports RSB

[winged skiff]

yeah i was going to use the msi one

[pale quartz]

only does it for the FE

[winged skiff]

Low Noise BIOS (Default)
94.02.26.80.C8
2020-10-16
4.39 MB
this is the BIOS I need to download?

gpu BIOS*

that's not as recent as I thought lol

when did they add resizeable BAR support?

[pale quartz]

last year

[winged skiff]

and why does it give warning
We suggest using Chrome or Edge browser to download BIOS, Drivers, etc.
LOL
im using firefox MSI pls dont scare me

oof

then this bios wont even add resizeable BAR huh

[nocturne drift]

Late 2020 they added rebar

[winged skiff]

okay, I hope it'll be alright when I update._.

[pale quartz]

I mean the worst that happens is you don't get rebar

if you don't want to manually flash it you can use MSIs dragon center

normally flashes the update for you

[winged skiff]

how to make sure i dont fuck this up?

[nocturne drift]

Ur fine LOL

[pale quartz]

^

[winged skiff]

oh really? then I can try MSI Center

[pale quartz]

worst case just use dragon center lol

yes, well I know it works for laptop GPUs, I see no reason why it wouldn't flash for dGPUs

[winged skiff]

I'll get back to you guys in 2 hours when I get back home for lunch break

I'll try do it manually

[nocturne drift]

MSI center 🥲

[winged skiff]

so just download it, extract, and run the executeables?

[nocturne drift]

Yes

And follow the prompt

[winged skiff]

see you guys in 2 hours LOL

[winged skiff]

okay, I updated my vBIOS to the latest version as linked above
but still no resizeable BAR?

it says disabled

am I missing something?

im on latest BIOS firmware
on latest GPU BIOS firmware too

[nocturne drift]

Yes

Motherboard bios

U got to enable it there

[midnight crypt]

if it let's you

[molten flame]

https://wccftech.com/asuss-latest-tuf-gaming-b760m-btf-motherboard-hides-all-connectors-on-the-backside/

[winged skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912902557024784434/1083268428279861248/GPU-Z.2.52.0_2023-03-09_-_14.01.29.png

can you see the image?

[nocturne drift]

Yes

[winged skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912902557024784434/1083269031462715402/20230309_140001.jpg

and that's my mobo, already enabled it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912902557024784434/1083269120197414922/nvcplui_2023-03-09_-_14.02.25.png

that's my nvidia control panel system info

[nocturne drift]

That's weird

[winged skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912902557024784434/1083269351735558174/GPU-Z.2.52.0_2023-03-09_-_14.05.28.png

and that's the gpu-z main profile for my GPU

I updated my mobo BIOS yesterday to prepare for this GPU

not sure what I did wrong

I already updated my vBIOS too, using the link you linked

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/mhxpzg/resizable_bar_support_not_working_on_my_3090/

i saw this and they were talking about using EVGA 500w BIOS

not sure I'm brave enough to flash my mobo

GPU*

cause my 2 previous GPUs (colorful 3060ti, palit 3070ti) had it enabled when I slap it on my PC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/912902557024784434/1083270341570343013/Live_Update_2023-03-09_-_14.09.25.png

i even installed the MSI Live Update 6, to no avail (no update for this GPU)

[quick locust]

What would you rather use, RTX 3050, Arc A750, RX 6600XT

The 3 are close in price

[molten flame]

6600XT is more than 50% faster than 3050 lmao

[quick locust]

Yep but around same price

A750 is 250 usd, 6600xt is 260 usd, 3050 is 280 usd

[winged skiff]

I'd go with 6600XT

[molten flame]

lmfao 3050 most expensive

[winged skiff]

ignore 3050

[quick locust]

People seem to keep buying 3050 anyway

[winged skiff]

shit is not cash

even 3060 8gb is a fucking scam

[quick locust]

Ye

[winged skiff]

i cant believe i almost recommend my friend a 3060
i didnt realize it was the 8gb variant

unreal

[molten flame]

3050 is awful tbh, just GTX 1070 performance with ray-tracing that shouldn't be on the chip anyway

[winged skiff]

i thought the price for 3060 has come down
turns out, it's a different variant

[molten flame]

6600XT is faster than a GTX 1080

close to 1080Ti

iirc

[winged skiff]

go get 6700XT if you can, in my region, 6700XT is cheaper than 3060 8GB lol

[quick locust]

I already have a gpu just curious if anyone I find picks 3050

6600XT is 0,39% on steam while 3050 desktop is 2,51%

[molten flame]

[quick locust]

And its growing a lot more than 6600xt

So someones buying it anyway

[winged skiff]

unreal

[quick locust]

Laptop version I understand a bit more because amd dgpus in laptops are very uncommon

[molten flame]

also take into consideration that Nvidia GPU production is much higher than competitors, AMD puts 9/10 of its wafers into CPU production

AMD doesn't give Radeon enough attention

[quick locust]

Ye

[quick locust]

Here it's about same as 3060 12GB and A770

Still faster though

[exotic aurora]

I’m looking for good gaming laptops but I don’t know where to start

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/cadence-announces-first-gddr7-verification-solution

36 Gbps

[winged skiff]

an update
managed to get resizeable BAR to work, I had to use the "Advance" update option on MSI Center for the damn thing to work

had to update the vBIOS 3x before I can get to the one that has resizeable BAR

[nocturne drift]

[winged skiff]

time to watch that undervolt video

[winged skiff]

aight so I managed to get to these 2:

887mv = 1940mhz
918mv = 1950mhz

but regardless, I still get a reported 105% TDP power draw

is it bad or good?

[pale quartz]

TDP power draw is not accurate, its a mathematical calculation performed on the software level to guess the draw

just ignore the value

[quick locust]

You can do it in hardware too but not worth it for majority lol

[quick locust]

Just reduce the limits if you want lower power for whatever reason

[winged skiff]

reduce the limit?

which limit?

but ya, sadly regardless of undervolt setting I use, my temp is still the same

tho the power draw on nvidia overlay thingy are way down lol

[quick locust]

Power limit

[winged skiff]

but the 887mv = 1940 gives out better score on unigine heaven than 918 = 1950

is that how it's supossed to be?

this is my first time doing undervolting

[waxen orbit]

Can someone please help me fix my battlefield, when i try to launch it it takes me to the main menu as normal but then crashes. iv'e been on the EA support page and tried many solutions but nothing seem to work, i also tried to factory reset my pc and download the game again but the same thing happend's. This has been happening in 1 week and i cant play the game. Someone please help

[tired notch]

ok this is a sick itx build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlupFBpsqj8

i kinda wish i know how to do woodworking

now

[quick locust]

wooden cases are pretty nice imo

[tired notch]

true

[molten flame]

my case better

[molten flame]

wonder if I can waterblock a RX 6600

[hexed notch]

U probably could. It would look cool. But y would u do that.

[quick locust]

you can waterblock an A770 even though it doesnt use much power lol

[hexed notch]

Idk why ppl do that. Just buy a tier up GPU instead.

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAVugPDntg0&

[quick locust]

lol

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/bykski-unveil-surprising-rgb-waterblock-for-intel-arc-a380-gpu

[solar olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/675051897958301716/991568424251703396/don_ramon.gif

[hexed notch]

Holy fuck LMAO. That’s actually upsetting to see.

[ivory creek]

found an article about an ethernet cable which is supposed to bring better audioquality

https://www.audioquest.com/cables/digital-cables/rj-e-ethernet/diamond

only 1250 usd

[dry pike]

pay another 800 usd and get a malware protecting HDMI cable

[ivory creek]

easy!

lol

[ivory creek]

lmao

people are trying to scam others left and right

[candid flame]

virus noises

hahaha

[tired notch]

i feel like people need to learn what DIGITAL means

this should be taught in schools lol

[cursive marten]

beep boop

Motherfucker.

[candid flame]

anyone just experiencing random freezes mid-game? Like the computer is still running fine but the games stop, dropping cpu and gpu usage to 0 for a second, then run normally again

[molten flame]

tried AMD's weakest wraith stealth cooler on 5800X3D

got to 90C in like 15 seconds on cinebench

[nocturne drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf9ww8XE3Xk

best AUS techtuber

[molten flame]

7800X3D the real gaming champ

[toxic wigeon]

I wonder when x3d will be discontinued and they just generally shove more vcache into their CPUs.

In a way they could just discontinue X and just have like a 9800 and a 9800x3d.

Cause x is just a clocked variant right?

Mmm not that the whole thing is relevant but still.

[molten flame]

3D cache will one day be on all their SKUs except possibly lowest tier

I think AMD's next goal is to stack compute die on top of another compute die

[toxic wigeon]

It'll be fun to watch.

It's kind of weird having 8 cores.

Over the 6.

I'm reminded I have a little bit more breathing room.

[winged skiff]

if I jus play games, it's better to just go with 5800X3D instead of 5950X right?

cause the difference between these 2 are just $25

[molten flame]

yes

[nocturne drift]

si

[nocturne drift]

maybe. intel is uping their cache slowly

amd might do that or keep it separate to squeeze more profit

[cursive marten]

look at this Apple IIc

[molten flame]

think AMD is already at the cache limit, no reason to go above 96MB on a single CCD for several more years imo

[toxic wigeon]

96mb being a minimum would really push it.

Intel 3d CPUs would be cool.

[turbid verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSpIKoA6vsM

[toxic wigeon]

Oh God I forgot about them.

I need to give it a look.

[turbid verge]

spoiler its not as great as they said it was

classic AMD

[pale quartz]

it's not what you'd think

higher cache storage introduces higher latency penalties for transferring on the data stream, increasing the size only does so much until the buffer is full

rather it can regress performance, there isn't much reason to increase it past where it is now

[quick locust]

96 MB L1

[nocturne drift]

My friend in D2 is getting a 7800x3D and challenged me to a fps off in D2

April hopefully

Ez dub

Hold my hynix a die

[toxic wigeon]

By push I mean push the general standard.

[nocturne drift]

Also someone just sold 6600 cl32 hynix a die corsair rgb for 100

I missed it.

Big oof.

https://youtu.be/MAJ8xdevLZA

LOL

Already?

AdoredTV is the biggest joke channel alongside MLID

[candid flame]

should I disable superfetch?

[pale quartz]

no

do not under any circumstances disable it

[candid flame]

ok

[toxic wigeon]

I'll do it anyways!

[lapis flame]

Hey, is anyone else having a problem where you just cant play multiplayer at all? I recently installed again after a month break and now I cant play multiplayer at all. Error code 34601

[dry pike]

Error code 34601 in Battlefield 2042 is typically caused by a server connectivity issue. This error code may appear if the game is unable to connect to the server, if there is a problem with your internet connection, or if there is an issue with the game's servers. Here are some possible causes of the error code:

1. Server maintenance: The error code may appear if the game's servers are undergoing maintenance or are temporarily unavailable.

2. Internet connectivity issues: If your internet connection is unstable or weak, you may experience connectivity issues that could cause the error code.

3. Firewall or antivirus software: Your computer's firewall or antivirus software could be blocking the game's connection to the server, causing the error code to appear.

4. Corrupted game files: If the game's files are corrupted or incomplete, this could prevent the game from connecting to the server, resulting in the error code.

5. Bugs or glitches in the game: Occasionally, the error code may appear due to bugs or glitches in the game's code, which can interfere with the game's connection to the server.

To troubleshoot the error code, you can try restarting the game or your computer, checking your internet connection, disabling any firewall or antivirus software temporarily, or contacting the game's customer support for further assistance.

6. Visit answers.ea.com: If the above steps do not resolve the issue, you can visit the EA Answers page for further troubleshooting. This is a forum where players can discuss and troubleshoot various issues related to EA games, including Battlefield 2042. Here you can find solutions to common problems or ask for help from other players or EA support staff.

[shadow ruin]

@supple nebula

Are you getting error code 34601?

[supple nebula]

Yes

@shadow ruin

[lapis flame]

I'm getting 34601 for battlefield 1.

On xbox

[supple nebula]

Me too

[lapis flame]

I've tried everything: uninstalling and reinstalling, restarting my xbox, restarting the game...

[lapis flame]

I can join online servers but I cant play anything else

[molten flame]

my athlon x64 faster than 7800X3D and 13900KS tuned

[tired notch]

ive seen people talk about ddr5 being worth it for 1% lows i wonder if it is time to upgrade my cpu too

[lapis flame]

Welp, guess my problem is unfixable, and I guess I just cant play the game. Thanks EA, for yet another amazing game.

[tired notch]

what problem u having?

[lapis flame]

Multiplayer isnt working except for the servers. None of the modes work except for Server and custom.

[tired notch]

cross play on?

[lapis flame]

Is crossplay default? Because I dont know how to switch it on or off.

[tired notch]

its in the settings

[lapis flame]

It isnt on.

[tired notch]

if it is OFF u will basicly never find a game

[lapis flame]

That... is an incredibly stupid thing.

[tired notch]

the thing is everyone by default should have crossplay on

if you are the only one with crossplay off then yea u dont find any matches

[lapis flame]

I'm playing battlefield 1. There is no crossplay

[tired notch]

oh i thought ur talking about 2042

[midnight crypt]

use the server browser for past games

cause quickplay doesnt work properly

[lapis flame]

Fuck this, I'm uninstalling. All dice games are a fucking waste of time and money.

[small zinc]

So...As expected, 7900X3D also outperforms every other CPU except the 7950X3D

Pretty solid.

Not sure it's worth the price though. Would rather have the 7950X3D. It's likely the 7800X3D will be the best price/performance.

Either way. AMD has beaten Intel once again for the performance crown this gen. Hell even a 5800X3D still beats a 13900KS at 6 Ghz.

Once Intel can get off of 10nm fabrication, then they might have a chance.

Even an Intel on DDR5 7600 can't upset a 7950X3D with DDR5 6000

lmao.

[midnight crypt]

cope

[tired notch]

and yet im still buying intel lol

ive been burned twice by amd shitty driver in the past

[small zinc]

Cope with what? lol. The fact that you HAVE to have a Hynix A die RAM overclocked to 8000+ MHz in order to actually have any chance against the 3D V-Cache CPU's?

Nah. No need to cope at all.

[candid flame]

guys, video game.

[tired notch]

i thought this is the tech channel lol

[candid flame]

🅱️ideo

[quick locust]

Depends on the workload, it actually does worse than 5800X in a lot of non-gaming workloads due to lower clocks

[tired notch]

honestly it will be better for everyone if intel gets their shit together

not only for consumers but for geo politics sake

[nimble frigate]

Anybody on ps

I’m in now Friday night battle

[tired notch]

TSMC and taiwan is like a red button the moment its pressed i swear ww3 happens

[midnight crypt]

let him believe that it beats everything

at everything

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-am5-motherboard-is-now-available-below-125

[small zinc]

Oh I was strictly referring to gaming. Sure, Raptor Lake does quite well in MT performance workloads

[small zinc]

3D stacked V-cache CPU's do in fact beat Intel at gaming. That's a fact. Cope with that fact.

[nocturne drift]

My Apex is coming next week!

[molten flame]

get 13900KS for that extra high quality silicon

[nocturne drift]

I already did for 500

[small zinc]

Get that 320 watts for zero gain

[molten flame]

o

[small zinc]

[nocturne drift]

The guy who sold me said SP114 for P core SP86 for E core.

It's not the best but it's 500 bucks.

And it's the fastest gaming cpu so I can't complain

Someone is selling a SP128 P core 97 E core 13900ks for 1600

[small zinc]

negative. 7950x3d is the fastest gaming cpu, benching on average 6% higher than Raptor Lake.

[nocturne drift]

💀

And people are asking the lot code for it

What in the LN2

[small zinc]

13900ks does not outperform Ryzen 4

at least in gaming

[molten flame]

7950X3D needs half of its cores disabled to match tuned 13900KS

[nocturne drift]

Is animosity talking?

I have him blocked

[molten flame]

ye

[nocturne drift]

Oh lol

[small zinc]

No it doesn't. I find it rather sad that you HAVE to have DDR5 OC'ed at 8000 Mhz in order to match 7950X3D

Intel doesn't have a fight in the game this gen

[nocturne drift]

Anyways I think I can finally build next week

[small zinc]

The 13900ks OC'ed to 6 Ghz still loses overall gaming benchmarks

[nocturne drift]

It's funny cause rn I am ddr4 4000

I'm. Aiming for ddr5 8000

So ddr6 gonna be 16000 gear 4?

[small zinc]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-cpu-review

Hell evne the 7900x3d outperforms the 13900ks

By a decent margin

[nocturne drift]

What's after gear 4 tho.

[small zinc]

And you know Mazda is reading my messages. Even if he blocked me he still sees "1 Blocked message" and he's expanding it.

[nocturne drift]

Speaking of technology. I am very into table tennis equipment recently.

Soo much knowledge in the rubbers and blade.

[nocturne drift]

Imagine buying 7950X 3D for gaming only lol.

Unless AMD decided 7800X 3D is 4+4. I highly doubt that but that would be a gaint troll.

[prime jasper]

I think the gaming perf difference between the 7950x3d and 13900k is so minute/inconsequential to argue about,

both are good products

[small zinc]

It's kind of what it's designed for....

[nocturne drift]

just brought ram, 5000D, corsair shift rm1200x and commander XT

hopefully I am building before april 😄

I am hyped

[winged skiff]

what's up with him?

oh ya, i managed to undervolt my 3090 to 850@1840, with 1000mhz memory boost
is it good?

[nocturne drift]

that sounds right

[winged skiff]

cause when I do 850@1860 + 1000mhz boost, warzone2 and bf2042 crashed after a while

[nocturne drift]

yeah 2042 is one of the hardest to stablize

[winged skiff]

but other games i played (like control, death stranding, cyberpunk etc) runs alright, with rtx on

[nocturne drift]

sounds good

[winged skiff]

i even had to hard reboot my PC when playing warzone2 cause the screen is just stuck, but everything else still works (discord voice caht, etc

[nocturne drift]

yep

[winged skiff]

i did lose a few fps tho, but at least I'm getting like 3070ti wattage draw for more performance

and even lower, I think, bordering my previous 3060ti

i was surprised

it went from soemwhere 320w-350w, to just 190-230w max
amazing stuff

[small zinc]

How's the heat now?

Which AIB you running? Or Founders Edition?

[winged skiff]

3090 MSI Gaming X Trio

now it hovers at around 75-78, which I say is a win

cause my room and where i live is pretty hot

even my new 3060ti dual fan gets to like 84-86 at times

[nocturne drift]

If u want lower temp just repaste.

I recommend the arctic mx6 cheap af and thick so less pump out effect.

[winged skiff]

not sure if it's ebcaue the GPU, or my room is just hot

cause when I bought this GPU, the previous owner benchmark of running furmark for 30 minutes was somewhere around 74-76 on stock

meanwhile mine, even just like initial use goes up to 83

but it's fine i guess

i managed to boost it up a bit, 850@1840 + memory 1249mhz so I can get 11k memory clock

[molten flame]

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-gpus-made-by-intel-look-like-theyre-actually-going-to-be-a-thing/

Good news for Intel

Nvidia will be using their fabs/wafers

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-says-you-dont-need-power-hungry-processor-for-top-tier-results

[nocturne drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezFl9vLwqGs

hynix a die is replacing hynix m die in production

soon we will see only hynix a die at 6000 cl32 and up

I see a bunch already

[molten flame]

[nocturne drift]

https://www.gskill.com/community/1502239313/1678443611/G.SKILL-Announces-DDR5-8000-CL38-48GB-24GBx2-Memory-Kit

this proves micron's new die can do 8000 as well

ur turn samsung

unless that 2x24 is not micron

I am pretty sure it is

[molten flame]

I saw those 2x24GB 8000 CL38 kits

[nocturne drift]

so far only micron do 2x24

[molten flame]

Wonder which company will have the best ICs for DDR5 in coming years

[nocturne drift]

NANYA GANG GANG

jk

I see alot of nanya bdie recently on corsair ram stick its scary

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSy9Qy7sw0U&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-reportedly-launches-on-april-13th

4070 over 20% slower than 4070ti

So faster than a 3070Ti but slower than 3080

[quick locust]

website doesnt work for me

but interesting, any idea on how much vram?

[nocturne drift]

With 3090 around 600 second hand rn why Nvidia

💀

[small zinc]

Ambient room temp obviously does have an impact. Repasting like he said can help, but ultimately isn’t going to do much for you if you don’t have good ventilation

Wonder when the day will come that Mazda will be disappointed to understand that tuned memory makes very little impact on increase in frame rate.

[nocturne drift]

So I just saw buildzoid's video. He did 6200 cl26 on a die. I don't think m die can even achieve/ beat that even tho it's got slightly better subtimings.

That's a great video for zen4 users tho. I'll definitely be testing that hopefully, or prob not cause I'm lazy

Just got delid kit and contact frame too.

[winged skiff]

it's like 29-33 out here, extremely hot
i even had to wear a fucking tanktop at home

[molten flame]

4070 has 26% less cores than 4070Ti

same VRAM

[quick locust]

ah

asked cause it was stinky 8 GB on laptops

for 4070

[molten flame]

4060Ti looks really bad

probably like 10% faster than 3060Ti

[midnight crypt]

not worth it

[molten flame]

128-bit so small chip

a lot smaller than chip the 6600XT uses

4060Ti die size is only ~190 mm²

lmao

3060Ti is 392 mm²

[prime jasper]

Smol die

[grave phoenix]

when i try to connect my nintendo pro controller to my pc some controls don't work and it's not letting me change them can someone please help

[midnight crypt]

buy an xbox controller

problem solved

[grave phoenix]

im poor asf

[midnight crypt]

just steal one

[grave phoenix]

just tell me how to fix it pls

[midnight crypt]

i have no idea

[grave phoenix]

bruh

[grave phoenix]

pls help

[quick locust]

This isn't a support forum

[candid flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGhfy3om9Ok

chinese gpu sucks

like fr fr it's a dx9 card in 2023

[pale quartz]

I'll assume you're using EA play, the Nintendo switch controller is not compatible with the XIM interface which is what the game reads from, you'll have to use steam to have the controller working, or use emulation software like DS4, there is no other way to get it to work

[nocturne drift]

Wtf is ramlawsuit dot com

Why am I getting their ads lol

Skill issue obviously

[grave phoenix]

alr thanks man

[pale quartz]

[prime jasper]

Why do i have severe packet loss only on bf 2042

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-claims-8-core-ryzen-7-7800x3d-is-20-faster-than-core-i9-13900k-in-1080p-gaming

sheeeesh

cannibalizing the 7950X3D

[nocturne drift]

Yeah 7800X3D is faster than 7950X3D unless you disable the second ccd

Or do core parking on every program.

AMD literally releases 2 weird azz cpu and fully take advantage of gamers then release the only great gaming cpu in this lineup.

Do you know how many people on reddit was like 7950X 3D fastest in game cause it has the higher boost clock?

[molten flame]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/amd-says-it-is-possible-to-develop-an-nvidia-rtx-4090-competitor-with-rdna-3-gpus-but-they-decided-not-to-due-to-increased-cost-power/amp/

What if they did 8 MCD to get 512-bit interface

[cursive marten]

what would that mean for the people?

[nocturne drift]

Nothing.

[brave path]

Is it worth it to buy 4070m with dlss 3 if game support it that double the fps and faster then 3070 ti or should I go for 3070ti with 240hz oled one they are currently on good deals for oled MSI laptop

It kindle hard to make a decision

Idk if FG will be huge difference

Especially I primarily use it for gaming

And I mainly play first person shooter games

So idk if OLED or FG will be the better one to consider

It kindle make no sense if the new generation of the 40 series has low memory bits then geforce 30 series

[candid flame]

wait 4 months then get a better laptop for cheaper

[brave path]

For geforce 40 series?

[candid flame]

yes, or rdna 3 amd cards

[brave path]

Alr but do most of them will sale in 4 months by retail store

[small zinc]

Anyone use or familiar with Teamgroup T-Force Delta memory?

They seem to use SK Hynix memory chips, and seem to generally outperform Trident Z5

Looking into their DDR5 6000 kit which is rated at 30-36-36-76

[molten flame]

[winged skiff]

@nocturne drift a question:
why does some youtubers put their Core Clock lower first, and then raise the frequency up?
Instead of just adding, and then adjusting it?

[errant cypress]

What do you will be the best value v performance card for 4000 series?

[pale quartz]

none of them

except the 4090

[nocturne drift]

Second hand 4090 or fe 4090

[nocturne drift]

Because they want to have an understanding on voltage scaling and don't want to blue screen/ fail to post immediately. This is my best guess and how I do it on Intel platform. Idk how youtubers oc tbh.

[small zinc]

Its not stupid if it works

[winged skiff]

I see, after I gave said youtuber's method a try, I only gained like ~5fps for 12%-15% more power draw
nope, that's not worth it lol

[nocturne drift]

What's ur cpu?

[winged skiff]

5600X

im talking about GPU here

sorry

[nocturne drift]

Oh gpu yeah

Ampere is super power limited

U want more performance get ready to draw 450+ watt

[winged skiff]

i currently ran 850@1845 where im quite happy with the result
tested out yesterday, trying to achieve somewhere above ~1900
managed to reach 887@1920 with a stable performance on BF2042 and Warzone
but that power draw is a bit hurting lol

[nocturne drift]

it is what it is 😄

samsung 8nm goodness

I draw up to 480w

[winged skiff]

2% fps increase for 12%-15% power draw is just not worth it for me

[winged skiff]

oh wow zamn

my house is kinda limited on the power

1400VA, so I'm trying to draw less power as possible

trying to make sure my electricity doesnt go out lol

[nocturne drift]

u 1440p?

[winged skiff]

1080p

[nocturne drift]

oh then ur fine

might be cpu bottlenecked anyway

depending on game

[winged skiff]

im planning to upgrade to 1440p monitor, but im saving up

i found out that BF2042 and Warzone2 to be the best stress test

I played Control with RT and Death Stranding to test, it didnt push things too hard

[nocturne drift]

yeah 2042 and fortnite are the hardest to stabilize for me

[winged skiff]

played it for like 4-6 hours ish, no crash

soon as i loaded up BF2042 and WZ2, shit crashed from time to time

even 2 days ago, when I tested by playing thru MW'19 with setting ultra + RTX, the game crashed midway

turns out the memory clock is a bit too high for me

I set it +1249mhz

i turned it down to +1049mhz and it's stable all the way

so im kinda happy with my undervolt settings rigth now
850mV@1845mhz + 1049mhz memboost

[nocturne drift]

thats pretty good ngl

[molten flame]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-arc-a770-drops-to-269-cheaper-than-the-nvidia-rtx-3060-and-much-faster/

[nocturne drift]

nice

[tired notch]

might buy one of those for my plex server

[turbid verge]

thought of it too but not for a plex server, rather for something else

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6300-entry-level-rdna2-desktop-gpu-with-32-bit-memory-has-been-spotted-for-less-than-60 @nocturne drift

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-load-of-crap-lie-big-load-gif-16300246

32-bit

[midnight crypt]

blazing fast

[molten flame]

less than $60

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4hyIHe1PM

[turbid verge]

actually interesting if you need to run a small server or a small machine with little to no graphical use

compact and cheap

[solemn canyon]

Hello guys! I have a problem with BF V. So, my game is lagging very very much, idk why because the game worked perfectly like 2 days ago. Can someone help me ?

[mystic flax]

I may consider that, it's faster and cheaper than my rtx 2060 super

Well wait, it's only 5% faster

So eh

Or I just buy a newer pre-built pc later on, as I don't have the knowledge or tools to build a PC that can run

Not wasting +2,000 dollars to build a PC as powerful as a pre built pc that is 500 dollars cheaper

[small zinc]

Ok, that's it. I'm sold on Teamgroup T-Force Delta RAM

It outperforms the almighty Trident Z5

Same Hynix A die

[prime jasper]

Could you not just copy the primary timings of the T force kit

[small zinc]

Perhaps.

LIkely actually

[prime jasper]

hii

[storm osprey]

so it took 2 1/2 years, hogwarts, 4k, ray tracing and max settings to make 10gb be a problem

[nocturne drift]

Got my delid kit

[small zinc]

3080?

Probably not so much the resolution itself and Ray Tracing as it is to render the 4K textures

Always thought the 3080 was a weird choice regardless of its price

[small zinc]

cool. you'll save yourself all of 5 degrees, and even at 6ghz on your overpriced 13900ks, and DDR5 10000000000 RAM, you still won't outperform Ryzen 4

[nocturne drift]

Watchdog legion did that years ago.

Dang corsair sending me ram straight from Taipei instead of California

They better be special lol

[tired notch]

lambo chair

lol

[nocturne drift]

Can't be that bad.

Remember when AMD made a bike?

[tired notch]

wait wat

[nocturne drift]

https://youtu.be/uY8NLAfNi_M

[small zinc]

Only $1300??

What a good deal

[tired notch]

hey its the lambo tax

aparently is made from alcantara which is what real lambos interiors are done in

alcantara is definitely really good my surface pro cover uses it lol

[small zinc]

Alcantara is a fancy term for "expensive suede" which is also just leather.

Most newer cars nowadays use it too

[tired notch]

really? didn not know that last time i heard only sport cars usually use it

or luxury car brands

[small zinc]

I will admit it's mostly "higher" end cars like BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes etc that use it. But occasionally you'll find it in just "regular old cars" used on the steering wheel or maybe some accents to pretend its higher end, but not really

[tired notch]

idk why they only use it a little bit isnt this stuff cheap lol

nvm

aparently its as expensive as genuine leather lol

[small zinc]

Expensive steering wheels give a premium feel even if the rest of the interior is plastic

Tesla is notorius for this

[tired notch]

even tho its synthetic its still as expensive as leather lol

i mean its a good material, i spilled coffee on my alcantera laptop and the stained cleaned up just fine

[small zinc]

Real leather? Yeah. Hard to find that anymore in cars. Most everything is polyurethane or PU for short covered foam to look like leather. Automobile makes have been doing this for years now. Unfortunately it's only gotten worse since even "budget" cars now come with "leather" to have a premium feel. So automakers are coming up with bullshit like heated and cooled drink cupholders and electronic folding center consoles (F-150....) to try and stand out from shit that used to be luxury 20+ years ago

[tired notch]

why tho?

[small zinc]

Oh no, it's definitely good synthetic material for sure.

[tired notch]

is there a reason why they dont use real leather anymore? is it because its not vegan lol

[small zinc]

Well, real leather is far less abundant. I'm sure activists would have a cow (Pun intended) if automakers started putting real leather in mass produced cars

[tired notch]

true lol

[small zinc]

Although real leather would be much harder to take care of.

[tired notch]

yea but it also lasts longer too

fake leather starts cracking real fast

[small zinc]

Conditioning it properly, preventing cracks and separations. keeping it oiled etc.

Oh yeah, that's the unfortunate part of PU too though. It's basically "spray on leather"

At least PU is used in most of these "Gaming Chairs" disguised as racing bucket seats. Cars do use it too though, but the fake leather stuff is a bit higher quality than the $300 DX Racer you'd see on Twitch or something.

[tired notch]

yea my chair's fake leather is starting to crack already

thankfully i had 3 year waranty and the store gave me 100$ credit towards a new chair which is 20 bucks more than what i payed for

[small zinc]

Oh there you go. I can't knock those chairs too bad as I have had a few. Ironically as cliche as they are, they also do have fairly decent lower back lumbar support and the straight backs keep me from slouching. So I can't make fun of them too much

[tired notch]

im thinking of going for a fabric chair next

its more durable than PU leather

[small zinc]

I haven't used mine in a long time though. Not ever since I got one of those standing desks that raises up and down. Probably one of the best $700 bucks I ever spent. Pricey, but I actually really love standing at my desk while playing games versus sitting.

[tired notch]

i have a standing desk but i never use it cause my cables from my pc wont reach if i extend the table to standing mode

[small zinc]

Well, that looks like a pretty decent char actually. Not cheap, but not expensive either. Middle of the road that ought to be at least of decent build quality and looks plush enough with good back support

[tired notch]

yea its for a good price and i can use my 100$ credit towards it

so il only have to pay 180 bucks

[molten flame]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-destroy-taiwans-semiconductor-factories-172312987.html

[green vector]

Hello, is there anyone computer savvy that can help me? My computer is acting up and no idea how to fix it

[tired notch]

if i remeber correctly taiwan actually would rather self destruct its tsmc factory than let it get taken

legit though if tsmc is destoryed it would set us back by 10ish years in terms of semiconductor technology

thats really bad lol

[green vector]

Bruh, 6m-18.05s just to get to Google

[tired notch]

ur internet must suck

[green vector]

It's not my internet

That's the thing

[tired notch]

bad routing maybe try using a vpn

[green vector]

I tested on 6 different wifi networks

[tired notch]

this is why i have redundant internet lol

2 lines of internet from 2 different isps

[green vector]

It's not wifi as it's even almost as long just getting computer settings menu up

[tired notch]

ur pc might be compromised

check to see if there are programs running taking up resources

[green vector]

No idea how, it's my work computer and nothing is open on it

[tired notch]

oo that even worse

[pale quartz]

not exactly

[tired notch]

if its a work computer u should report it asap lol

[pale quartz]

TSMC have backup plans incase the main factory in Taiwan has to be self destructed, the node blueprints are backed up in other countries

[green vector]

There's no tech department

[pale quartz]

what it would dent is node capacity massively but there wouldn't be a regression in tech

[tired notch]

yea but the main fab itself will still be destoryed and it takes years if not a decade to rebuild capacity

[green vector]

I bought it for work, I use it just for tracking and monitoring

[pale quartz]

it's already being done

TSMC are spreading out risk in other countries by spinning up factories, but it's a double edged sword

they can never offload their main capacity out of Taiwan, or there is a real threat of it being captured

[tired notch]

yea

TSMC is basicly holding the global economy hostage lol

[pale quartz]

not the global economy

[tired notch]

if taiwan gets invaded everyone is fked

[pale quartz]

China hostage specifically

[tired notch]

i mean how much of the world silicon is tsmc taiwan responsible for?

[pale quartz]

it's over 55% of global supply

[tired notch]

bruh

thats really bad

[pale quartz]

what happens in Asian economies, there isn't a close competitor

[tired notch]

intel is trying to be a fab company so lets hope there will be more competion

[pale quartz]

Samsung are the nearest and they're not even years behind TSMCs latest nod, it's close to half a decade

[pale quartz]

IFS is not a new thing

they already fabricated chips

they're simply opening it up to allowing tooling for third party clients

but it's nowhere near, or even close to TSMC

[tired notch]

yea its probably healthy for the global suply to not really on one source for silicon lol

[pale quartz]

we will never not be on one source

[green vector]

I bought it for work with my money, there's no tech department, the drivers send me their faulty stuff for me to ship them back over to the manufacturers for my boss, this computer is fucked as there's no apps on this but the work related ones and nothing is running. It's also not a older windows, its windows 11 and the computer is about a year and a half old

[pale quartz]

there is not a fabrication company which is remotely close to TSMC in node process technology

pick your poison unfortunately

[tired notch]

yea if its that bad i usually just format and reinstall windows

if it is stil happening then its a hardware issue

[tired notch]

its good for taiwan tho all the more reason for US to defend taiwan lol

[green vector]

Oh, how do I do that? I'm not tech savvy tbh

[pale quartz]

Taiwan don't have a choice in that regard

[tired notch]

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-repair-windows-11

follow this guide

[pale quartz]

TSMC was founded out of espionage and state subsidiaries for development to the tune of over $10b, the investment needed for making a fabrication company are massive, before you take in the maintenance running costs

[green vector]

Ok, I'll try it, this is a nightmare as I run the database for AAA so the system is down as I can't operate it

[tired notch]

did you hear about china's new gpu.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGhfy3om9Ok

[pale quartz]

yeah I already knew it existed

was discussed in Chinese media months ago

[tired notch]

dude the founder is nvidea's ex vice president of china branch lol

[pale quartz]

very common

[tired notch]

def no stolen ip here

[pale quartz]

Samsung, TSMC, goflo all steal employees from each other

they have for decades and will as long as they can continue to

[tired notch]

aparently its shit tho

[pale quartz]

it's a reversed engineered node, it's not at the same standard as TSMCs main node because lithography machines are not permitted for exporting

so they're stuck on the old tooling

[tired notch]

yea but its still impresive they still manage to release a product in 2 years

especially as something as complex as a GPU

[pale quartz]

make no mistake though, it was thought to be impossible to get one functioning without lithography, so it's a technical achievement in itself

them being able to use DUV for it is something

[tired notch]

GPUs are gonna be more relevant in the comming years i can see it because of the AI war

[pale quartz]

there's no AI "war"

these technologies have been developed for years, it's nothing that just suddenly appeared out of nowhere

[tired notch]

i mean it might as well be between microsoft and google

[pale quartz]

Microsoft don't have their own neural network for training data

they use openAI

[tired notch]

yea but their an investor

and they already released a product that uses that

[pale quartz]

yeah, but it's still not Microsoft's

under the terms of the investment openAI maintain full rights to it's IP

they didn't change it during the transfer

[tired notch]

"Microsoft purchased an exclusive license to the underlying technology behind GPT-3 in 2020 after investing $1 billion in OpenAI in 2019. It has built a close relationship with OpenAI and is also planning to add an AI text-to-image model to Bing powered by OpenAI's DALL-E 2."

[pale quartz]

yes, license

they have a right to use openAIs IP

they don't own the IP

besides, it would have been a stupid deal for openAI if they magically handed over their IP rights to Microsoft of all companies

[tired notch]

yea

but still microsoft is a big investor

and knowing google they wont use open Ai

they use their own in house tech

In exchange, Microsoft is getting the right to 75% of OpenAI's profits until it earns back this $10 billion plus an additional $3 billion it has already invested in the company–$1 billion in 2019, and another $2 billion which it quietly put into OpenAI in 2021.

[pale quartz]

it's generally small fries, in terms of the valuation

openAI will be worth a magnitude more than they are now in the coming years

their capitalisation on the market will be one of the top 5 growth organisations

[tired notch]

yea and the best part is GPT 3 is still relatively "simple" LLM

like its still not good at producing 100% accurate info

[pale quartz]

meh this whole GPT 3 is the next revolution in processing is just hyped up bs

it does nothing for the end drawset

[tired notch]

i mean its been a major tool for me

it does a lot of things for me, i even use it as a pair programing partner when i need to debug code

[pale quartz]

yes, because there's nothing else like it

[tired notch]

chat gpt can act as a second pair of eyes

[pale quartz]

but the actual model still isn't that good

[tired notch]

yea its still in its infancy and rn open AI is killing it

[pale quartz]

not the LLM, the chatbot

the reason chatGPT is decent on its hit rate is because of it's generative questioning for context execution

but the LLM itself is nothing exceptional

[tired notch]

the best use i found so far for chat gpt is defently learning new languages

rn im studying japanese, and grammar is really fkn complicated

vocabs are ez as hell but grammar is like stupid hard

chat gpt can help you learnin a new lanuage by acting as a partnet to "talk" with and learn grammar through it

[quick locust]

Yeah finally a gpu with worse drivers than mine

[nocturne drift]

[molten flame]

2080 vs 4080 box?

[wraith phoenix]

46

[brittle fractal]

45

[small zinc]

I mean that’s pretty subjective. It’s considerably more complex than you make it out to be

[pale quartz]

?

it's just not as good as other LLMs lol

[small zinc]

Well. Again. Subjective. There’s a reason OpenAI is used way more than BERT, ALBERT, XLnet etc

[pale quartz]

there's nothing subjective

it's not about openAI, it's about the LLM

[small zinc]

Yep. You must not understand what subjective means.

[pale quartz]

there are simply LLMs which have much higher parameterised inputs

and that's a fact

[small zinc]

You don’t think it’s good

[pale quartz]

never said that

[small zinc]

Not what others think

it's just not as good as other LLMs lol

Your words

Definition of subjective

[pale quartz]

yeah, that's a statement of objectivity of the current LLM market, not my opinion lol

but sure go off, you seem to enjoy this nonsense argument

[small zinc]

Again.

Not factual

😉

[pale quartz]

have you even bothered looking at the parameter count for ChatGPT 3?

cause if you took 2 minutes to search, it's not that difficult to figure out

[small zinc]

Don’t need to. Have you ever looked at a dictionary?

I’m not questioning your understanding of large language models. But there is a reason why MS invested a pretty hefty sum into OpenAI.

[nocturne drift]

Just block him like what way told me lol.

[small zinc]

Mazda reads my messages

😁

“1 blocked message” he 100% expands those messages

[quick locust]

2070 super and 4090

40 series and rdna3 got such overkill coolers lel

[nocturne drift]

That's good

Except big chugus and price

I dealt with all vendors 4080-4090 and they are all quality

[quick locust]

Yes its just overkill is what I mean

Especially for 4070 ti

[nocturne drift]

Yeah I am getting a bigger case lol

They wide

[quick locust]

Meanwhile my gpu is smol

In comparison

[nocturne drift]

I think the first gpu that's like omg it's huge for me was the 1080ti msi gaming x trio

[quick locust]

I should take a new photo sometimes

None of my gpus have been that big

Biggest of mine is my 2080ti phoenix gs

And that looks tiny next to current gen cardd

I wish I could get cpu upgrade soon, won one months ago but it hasnt come yet

[nocturne drift]

Oh and I sold my 2080ti timespy #1 build

[quick locust]

I got a #1 result one too with this gpu

[nocturne drift]

Nice.

[quick locust]

But theres not many people that have this gpu so its easy to do

Lol

I got near top just running stock

And 1 with slight oc

[nocturne drift]

My friend who uses 60 hz monitor with a dvi to dp cable lol

I bullied him getting a 240hz monitor.

[quick locust]

My friend is still on a Q8400 and a GTS 450