technology

[tired notch]

and DLSS is no joke, with how much it improves performance it can make a card that cant do 60fps constantly, get 60 fps constantly

honestly i think natively rendering a game is no longer the future

e sport titiles care about 1080p lol, there are talks about 500+ hz monitors for esport tittles

or even 1000 hz

gpu wont scale as fast as monitors can draw frames

[turbid verge]

Iam with 144hz and is enough tbh

[tired notch]

im personally content with 1440p and 165 hz but hey for esports if it gives u and advantage then ppl will want it

[turbid verge]

I would rather keep myself in the 144hz-240hz zone and just upgrade the resolution

rn at 1440p with 165hz is the spot

[tired notch]

im running a TN panel rn tho

im thinking of going to HDR 1000 soon

i have 2 cheap side monitors running a 1080p 60hz and its color is way better than my 1440p 165hz TN panel lol

[turbid verge]

not really looking to upgrade my rig atm

gonna wait till the end of this year

[tired notch]

i just upgraded to 3080 a week ago

i got it for a steel 470 ish bucks

[turbid verge]

but monitor wise Iam fine with my 1440p 165hz and my 1440p 60hz

[prime jasper]

fsr is more impressive tech and not exclusive

[molten coral]

I've been thinking to get a different screen, one that is still ultrawide but not as wide as I've right now.

The main thing I'm missing in games is height

[turbid verge]

I would rather prefer a ultra wide if I played only racing games

else I think the normal 16:9 ratio is fine

[prime jasper]

not to mention fsr 2 is right here for anyone to use https://gpuopen.com/fidelityfx-superresolution-2/

[molten coral]

One thing I do love about my 32:9 screen is the immersion though

[turbid verge]

yeh I heard its amazing

but that thing is huge

[molten coral]

I don't think I'll ever go back to 16:9 for my primary monitor

[tired notch]

it is in that its not exclusive but i can actually see the difference between FSR and DLSS

stll prefer DLSS

[turbid verge]

its basically a triple screen in one

[molten coral]

2

2 27'' screens in one

[turbid verge]

yeh sry

is there even 26:9

[molten coral]

doubt

[turbid verge]

yeh most likely not

[molten coral]

The only issue I think I'll have is that when I get a 21:9 I'll miss the space I had and some advantages in games would be gone

Like in BF, I can practically see 180* around me

[prime jasper]

wym its not exclusive?

[molten coral]

Although I've to say I've also been thinking to get an oled TV

[tired notch]

FSR works on both AMD and NVIDIA cards, while DLSS only works on Nvidia cards

[prime jasper]

thats what i said lol

[tired notch]

yea but while AMD's FSR isnt exclusive, DLSS Is still superior is quality atm

[prime jasper]

exclusive tech is bad

[tired notch]

DLSS 2.5 vs FSR 2.1 and DLSS 2.5 still looks better

[prime jasper]

fsr 2.1 isnt newest tho

and comparing exclusive to open source dont make sense

[tired notch]

yea but what i care about is the end result, if nvidia's implementation has better quality than amd's then its a reason for me to go with Nvidia

just like how i built my pc for gaming and thus my cpu choice was intel because at the time it was the fastest chip for gaming

i pick components based on what it could do for the given task

[prime jasper]

so you would buy 3060 that is way slower than 6700 just because it has DLSS

[tired notch]

slower in what tho, with dlss i doubt it will be slower

in native render maybe but who does native render nowadays

its all about AI super sampling

also from the looks of it its not entirely true that the 6700xt is better than 3060ti

[prime jasper]

those are not even the cards discussed here

[tired notch]

idk i though we started this discussion with 3060ti lol

[prime jasper]

it was 3060 and 6700

[prime jasper]

trading blows with 3060 ti, yes

idk what you are trying to prove here

if you looks what i said before i was comparing value of 6700

which costs same as 3060

but much faster

3060ti is 100€ more expensive than 6700

[tired notch]

my personal take is cheaper isnt always better if the other one gives a objectively better experience

there are more games than ever now launching with ai super sampling with FSR and DLSS

if basicly every new demanding game is gonna include DLSS/FSR then shouldnt it be in the calculation for value?

[prime jasper]

what are you even saying? 3060 and 6700 costs the same but 6700 is faster

[tired notch]

faster with DLSS AND FSR?

or just native

[prime jasper]

doubt 3060 suddenly becomes 3060 ti if you enable dlss 🤦

[tired notch]

so wait are we arguing about 3060 or the ti here

[prime jasper]

6700 is the best value card in its price point

you cant change that

[tired notch]

how much is it anyways pricing has been a mess recently

i prersonally dont even buy new anymore because if you buy smart you can get a 3080 for 450 ish bucks

recently bestbuy even discounted the 3080 till it was in the 400$~ range

[prime jasper]

you can always buy used

[quick locust]

Meanwhile me with intel gpu

Stronk

[prime jasper]

if there is any

used market here = emptiness

[quick locust]

Same

[tired notch]

also the used card i bought turns out to have aftermarket thermal pads

lol

so i actually benefited from it because lower vram temps

[quick locust]

Mine has almost too much rgb lol

[toxic wigeon]

It's so fucking bright.

[tired notch]

mine has tastefull rgb i think but my whole case is rgb heaven

[quick locust]

My previous gpu had 1 LED i could set

[toxic wigeon]

Even with the lights on it produces more than the light bulbs can.

[quick locust]

This has 90 individual i can set

Lol

[tired notch]

yes i did buy an underglow kit for my pc because why not

[quick locust]

lol

[tired notch]

my god, there so many rgb lol

[quick locust]

now in morse code

intel clearly had their priorities

[tired notch]

they know what gamers want

[nocturne drift]

I plan on doing 13900k and do 2x32 or 4x16 hynix a die at 7000+ and sht all over zen4D

You can match the performance of 8000+ ram with 7000 dual rank or 4 single ranks

Kingston sells hynix mdie or a die 2X32 for under 300 USD

U don't even need an apex or tachyon, or dark u just need smth like an Asus tuf z790 💀

[prime jasper]

asus tuf mobos has become pretty good

[small zinc]

And I'm certainly not going to have this argument with those idiots who believe they can see 360+ hz. It's entertaining to let them think they have a point though

[tired notch]

i do think there are diminishing returns but its not about being able to see 360 + hz its about having as much information that is up to date as possible the lower your refresh rate the more that the image you see is out of date

honestly difficult to explain in discord but linus made an excellent video about it with hard data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZbAXsA

also 360hz+ monitors will be possible to drive because it seems like nvidia is going into frame interpolation which doesnt contribute to latency but makes image more smooth

[small zinc]

Eh, we've had this discussion here before. The human eye is physically incapable of seeing past 120 hz. Now while the eye can't physically see frequency or in this case a specified number of frames, it is theoretically possible to detect a moving object at up to 500 FPS based on Bloch's Law in regards a flash of light, however, the brain is generally speaking physiologically incapable of processing this kind of information and therefore these "pRo gAmEr" high refresh rate/overclocked monitors while they may have a bit better image smoothing, the returns diminish nearly 100% at anything over 120-144 FPS. I'm willing to bet I can still destroy these idiots on a good ole fashioned 60 hz display.

[cursive marten]

i'd like to see that, honestly.

[tired notch]

did you watch linus video tho? they had hard data on professional esports players who has a significant difference in hit rate from 60 to 145 to 240 hz

its arguable they are more used to high refresh rate monitors so they perform better but linus address this as well yes you can be good with 60 fps by predicting where the enemy is going to be when aiming but why would you do that? if having higher fps means easier time for you to predict and track your target

the more data u have the more accurate you will be in tracking or predicting your targets movement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=uJxxCgKa0mU&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvidia.com%2F&feature=emb_logo

[small zinc]

Me too 😄

These insane high refresh rate monitors don't do anything more for you, more than bunny hopping like an idiot in Call of Duty makes you live longer.

Hint: It doesn't.

[toxic wigeon]

And like bunny hopping. It helps.

[tired notch]

wdym bunny hopping stops long range snipers lol

[cursive marten]

it also stops people who are slow

[nocturne drift]

No need to argue over this again.

We all know what is right.

Pointless.

[midnight crypt]

someone is hellbent on dying on his hill

[queen quiver]

Hey yesterday I got my new pc and ea app was downloading very fast but recently the download speed is like 7mbs then it goes to 700kbs for a minute and then back up anyone know how to fix?

[candid flame]

Can't, it's how the internet works, it's not stable. Also related to your drive usage, do you run any app on the same drive you are downloading the game to? That will slow your dl speed down as well

[queen quiver]

wdym?

[queen quiver]

its not how my internet works as i get fine download speed on steam etc

[wooden dune]

TECHNOLOGY DISCUSSION

i just got a new computer for 2042! woot

i9 12900 32gb ddr5 and 3060 8gb

think its good enough?

@queen quiver i know how to fix

🙂

[queen quiver]

Please help how

[queen quiver]

I have a i7 12gb 3060 and I can run 2042 ultra settings no frame drop at all so most definitely

[wooden dune]

thats likle setup i got

nice

🙂

have u tried unplugging modem and router then pluggin back in

[queen quiver]

U joking or does it acc work?

[wooden dune]

offcourse it works and im not joking

i have to do that to my new modem and router everyday when my mb/s drop off and goes right back to normal

[queen quiver]

Wdym modem router?

[wooden dune]

i have now onlky 300mbps but goes down to 70 and right back up to 300 when i unplug cable modem for few seconds

cable modem

u have a cable modem right

[queen quiver]

I use Ethernet

If that’s what u mean

[wooden dune]

yes where that ethernet comes from that box plugged into socket

[queen quiver]

Yehhh

[wooden dune]

unplug it ten secs then replug in and give it 5min to reboot and check ooklah speed test to see if it worked

[queen quiver]

Alr

So turn off pc?

Unplug Ethernet

Wait 5

Plug back in

Turn back on?

[wooden dune]

nope , unplug where the ethernet is coming from the box it comes from to pc unplug that

[queen quiver]

Ohhhhh

[wooden dune]

from wall then wait 5-10sec and replug in

[queen quiver]

Hmmm okay

[wooden dune]

aits real easy it will either work or not. but its worth trying it works for me everytime

[queen quiver]

Alr I’ll lyk what happens

[wooden dune]

k cool gl

[queen quiver]

Omg

I acc think it’s fixed

[wooden dune]

!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/modem-unplug-modem-unplug-x889-gif-24372440

[queen quiver]

Tysm bro

[wooden dune]

np

[prime jasper]

🤦

[candid flame]

I can definitely tell apart a 120hz and 144hz monitor

[prime jasper]

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo CL30 6000Mhz seems to be best kit for ryzen 7000 out of the box, no tuning needed for best performance

[nocturne drift]

Typical hynix m die.

[small zinc]

And I've more than proven this to you with actual science articles. You're the one who refuses to do his own research and just believes the marketing gimmicks instead. "mOaR hErTz mAkEs mE ProFeSsiOnAl"

Not going to argue with you. You're one of them. I've had better arguments from my 13 year old son. At least @tired notch can hold intelligent arguments even if we still ultimately disagree.

[nocturne drift]

? Do I look like deco to you?

I didnt argue u on this topic nor I intend to

[small zinc]

Normally I usually go with G. Skill. The prebuilt I bought though came with a set of Kingston Hyper X Beast 6000 I'm using with my 7900x. Been pretty pleased with it thus far.

[prime jasper]

What latency it is

[nocturne drift]

Doesn't matter. If it's hynix m die just copy buildzoid timing and stress test.

Zen4 is alot slower than raptorlake but if you just stick to around 6000 it should be pretty easy

[prime jasper]

i've never head hyperx beast

only fury beast

[nocturne drift]

Kingston is great my workplace switched to Kingston as out main supplier recently

0 rma so far

[small zinc]

I believe it's CL 40. Not the greatest, but seems to tune well

[nocturne drift]

And they have beef with Samsung

So all their kit is hynix over 5600

[small zinc]

Touche man. You're right. I'll take that one.

[nocturne drift]

They have mf a dies in sub 300 USD 2x32 ddr5

[prime jasper]

what timing you got it running?

[small zinc]

Yeah it's in my rig now. I'd have to go back in the BIOS to look. I honestly don't remember. I really just set the basic settings in the BIOS since I don't do a whole lot of tweaking with OC'ing. I knwo I set the speed to 6000 MT/s, and a couple other changes to AMD's boost clock stuff, but that's about it.

[prime jasper]

also does the tuning have downside to it, like overclocking

[nocturne drift]

Yes

Unstable ram = stutter and slowly corrupting your os.

[small zinc]

I personally haven't done much tweaking. I use AMD's own Turbo Boost which boosts my 7900x to 5.7 Ghz and makes quite the difference for my 4090. I feel like anything more is diminishing returns for very little gain and the Rubiks cube game of finding the balance between voltage and clocks

And frankly, I just don't like OC'ing RAM that much

[prime jasper]

then i gladly pay the 215e for tirdent neo

[nocturne drift]

Tbh I haven't be doing alot of oc enthusiasts things outside of work

Table tennis took over this year for me and I did 0 build outside of work and 0 overclocks.

I was planning to make a 13900k/ks build but I got lazy and money conscious lol

[prime jasper]

i hope the non rgb comes available tho as its 20e cheaper

i dont need ram rgb

[small zinc]

Think I may pick up a 7950x3d though to swap out my 7900x

Looking more and more impressive

[nocturne drift]

It didn't even release yet

[small zinc]

Soon

Couple weeks

[nocturne drift]

So how is it more and more impressive

[small zinc]

Early benchmarks

Now I generally take those with a grain of salt

[nocturne drift]

Isn't that all blender etc

[small zinc]

There are some Ashes of the Singularity benchmarks floating around.

Granted. Favors AMD and who cares about 1080p

So that’s why I take them with a grain of salt

But the 5800x3d pretty much went toe to toe Alder Lake

[prime jasper]

wasnt there problem doing 1080p test with 4090

like it was slower than usual

and its likely everyone uses 4090

[small zinc]

So I’m looking forward to the new 3D V cache CPUs.

[small zinc]

It’s usually heavily bottlenecked

[prime jasper]

if they did same 1080p test with 7900xtx for example the results were more fps with every cpu

[small zinc]

Playing at 1080p with a 4090 any any CPU is about like trying to put a Formula 1 engine in a moped. Seems like it would go really really fast. But really just limited by other hardware. In this case the tires on the moped are 20 years old and dry rotted

[prime jasper]

i know they do 1080p to try to take the gpu impact out of the test but it still is there

i rather see high end tests done 1440p

[small zinc]

They will

This 24% AMD claims over the 13900k will definitely be put to the test at higher resolutions

Though a 1080p benchmark isn’t a terrible idea to see how much less it might actually bottleneck it

[prime jasper]

true

[nocturne drift]

24% was HZD

[quick locust]

Meanwhile me still waiting on 13600K

[nocturne drift]

7950X 3D is 24% faster than 13900k in HZD

7950X is already 22% faster than 13900k in HZD

AMD really getting the general population

[prime jasper]

im gonna go AM5 with either 7600 or 7700 and for the upgrade path it offers unlike 13th gen, would need new mobo for next cpu

[nocturne drift]

I am gonna go 13th gen for oc fun reliability and performance.

If I stop being lazy

[quick locust]

Im gonna go 13th gen cause the cpu is 0 usd

[nocturne drift]

Which I prob won't anytime soon cause my main game is fortnite

[prime jasper]

lucky

[nocturne drift]

💀

[quick locust]

0 usd cpu and 0 usd gpu

[nocturne drift]

I almost brought an arc for 150 from my friend

[quick locust]

I need a board though, might go supermicro z790

[nocturne drift]

I'd done it if it's last year

[prime jasper]

with gpu's i dont know when im gonna upgrade, i have 3070 so anything slower than 3090ti isnt worth it imo

[small zinc]

That's Intel's problem though. They might have a decent CPU on their hands with Raptor Lake, however they're still pretty limited by the fabrication node they're on. This is about as good as Intel gets without going going to smaller transistors. AMD has been pretty much outshining Intel now for the last couple versions of Ryzen. The 5800x3d alone kind of shit all over the 12900k. Intel pretty much has to boost the shit out of their CPU's in order to even be competitive with AMD right now

[quick locust]

Isnt the density of rpl node pretty decent

[prime jasper]

with the new gpu's all being over 1000€ i rather wait

[nocturne drift]

Intel boost the sht out of their cpu. After fixing multiple zen3 cpu crashing stock pbo this is beyond funny.

[quick locust]

Meanwhile their gpu doesn't have a boost like nvidia

Static clock

Easy to oc though

[small zinc]

An Intel at close to 6ghz is the only way an Intel CPU stays relevant. Let's be honest.

[nocturne drift]

What are u talking about?

[small zinc]

Alder Lake sucked. Ryzen 3 shit all over it.

Ryzen 4 I will admit that Raptor Lake is "slightly" better.

[nocturne drift]

Are u OK?

[quick locust]

Least ayymd fanboy

[small zinc]

And I came from Intel. I wouldn't call myself a fanboy. I had hoped AMD GPU's would be a bit more competitive this gen.

[quick locust]

Weirdly enough intel has better HEDT than amd again, been a long time

[nocturne drift]

Yo we got new kristopher g last year.

Hahahaha

[quick locust]

Threadripper hasnt done much in a bit

[small zinc]

Mazda. Im not even toing to entertain you with links to benchmarks....YOu know I'm right

lmao

[nocturne drift]

[small zinc]

You can send that emoji all you'd like. You can fan boy as much as you want. You're still wrong on every level.

[nocturne drift]

I work at a pc place testing both platforms. Why would I look at ur benchmark

[quick locust]

Buy me intel 3495x

112 pcie 5 lanes

[small zinc]

56 core Xeon??

Do a lot of production stuff?

CAD?

[quick locust]

Both am5 and rpl would be an upgrade for me since I'm on coffee lake lol

[nocturne drift]

lol

[quick locust]

And my psu can handle it all

[prime jasper]

Do you run 9x SATA HDD's

[nocturne drift]

I am thinking of getting hx1200

Waiting on that corsair refurbished. Rm1000x could work as well

[small zinc]

I guess we'll be back here on February 28th with benchmarks once again with the new X3D SKU's to see how Alder Lake stacks up. Going on a limb and assuming that based on history usually repeating itself, that AMD will once again deliver with the 3D V-Cache CPU's. You can screen shot this post too. If I'm wrong, then I'll gladly take the L.

[nocturne drift]

No one cares.

[quick locust]

I only have 6x sata on my mobo

But I moved most of my storage to my NAS anyway

[small zinc]

You care. Enough to respond. Enough to try and make a point over something that doesn't actually exist yet.

[nocturne drift]

What point did I make?

[small zinc]

You actually haven't. Just trying to claim that Intel is somehow superior and has been when in reality that's just been plain false.

[nocturne drift]

When did I say intel is superior today?

U doing too much man

Not that serious

[small zinc]

Both AMD and Intel certainly have their strengths. As for gaming specifically, Raptor Lake has taken the performance crown back over Ryzen 4.

I do think that the X3D sku's will change that again. But we shall see

[nocturne drift]

When can amd and their partner make cpu s that's reliable and doesn't require me to update customers bios and static pin voltage? Greg Salazar has a mf video dedicated to half ded ryzen cpus

I want that.

Make people's job easier. This is why I am smoking on evga 's ded gpu division. If we have to rma 1/8th of ur gpu. We throw a party when u and Nvidia break up.

I'm buying all my Co workers food

This exclude kingpin. We love u kingpin.

[midnight crypt]

dead memory channels on ryzen seems very common

[small zinc]

Eh. EVGA left because Nvidia is a shit company. And I say this as I have a 4090 in my system right now. AMD isn't any better when it comes to this specifically though. EVGA left because AIB partners lost all creativity. Not due to their designs though, but because AMD and Nvidia both have gotten entirely too strict on GPU designs over the years robbing AIB partners of any creativity. Remember the days of ASUS Matrix? Or Dual GPU's on one PCB? Granted SLI/Crossfire has always sucked, but it's the principle of the matter.

[midnight crypt]

also novideo undercutting partners

[nocturne drift]

I'm glad evga left. Their 30 series is a joke.

I tested like sooo many evga 30 cards. I was honestly disgusted

How does a company f up that bad.

Can't wait to active evga s awesome rma process 20 times vs gigabyte s bad rma process 2 times.

[small zinc]

Now, AIB GPU's still historically have better power delivery. And that's really why we still buy them. Otherwise, the third party cooling designs really aren't anymore superior over reference designs these days and that used to be appealing. ASUS is now super notorious for this too. ASUS still uses the same God Damned DCUII cooler that they've been recycling since fucking Volcanic Islands days. Yet they still charge $400 more than any other AIB partner.

[nocturne drift]

Because Asus actually uses quality components on the pcb?

Unlike evga

Kingpin cards are excluded. We love u kingpin.

[small zinc]

I can't speak to ASUS VRM's or their capacitors. I really personally can't speak intelligently enough about the actual components soldered on the PCB itself, but I can't imagine they're anymore superior to MSI, Zotac, Gigabyte etc.

[nocturne drift]

Welp. Start imagine it. Cause they are.

Strix pcb rivals KP and HoF

[small zinc]

I know that I'm impressed with my ASUS TUF 4090, and the Strix version isn't any better of a GPU over this one for $300 less.

[nocturne drift]

Well 40 series any card is good. Nvidia learned alot from 30 series fiasco and overbuilt everything.

On top of ada Lovelace being efficient

[small zinc]

Ada definitely is more efficient for sure

[nocturne drift]

A shame it's Mar ed by 12 pin fiasco

[quick locust]

First party gpu with all the RGB

[quick locust]

How many?

[nocturne drift]

40,50 plus

[quick locust]

Did vrm fail or something

Ah

[nocturne drift]

I'm not the main tester, but Co worker told me 1/8 fails

And the issues I found would take too long to write.

[quick locust]

My pny gpu shorted immediately and i could never get rma approved for it

Dust collector

[nocturne drift]

If this is the 2022 me I'd do it

[quick locust]

Ah

I only test software rn

Testing stacks of gpus is probably very repetitive but sounds alright

[nocturne drift]

What's not alright is when customers send back gpu

Shipping cost money.

If they are incapable they have to send the whole pc back.

[quick locust]

My xfx gpu had to be shipped all the way to Taiwan for rma

[nocturne drift]

Now Imagine that with multiple custom hard-line custom loops

[quick locust]

Yeah having to disassemble that lol

Plus risk of shipping damage when fedex kicks the shipping box

Is it for an SI?

[nocturne drift]

Yes

Oh hell no

Fedex shipped my rma ed Nvidia 3090

The bracket is bent 45 degrees and the fan hits the protruding heatsink when it spins.

They playing catch with the 3090 I swear

[quick locust]

Ya lol

[molten flame]

RTX 4090 shortage is likely because of ChatGPT, they are buying up all the AD102 chips for AI training

[prime jasper]

who

who is behind it

we have stocks full of 4090, surprise surprise not more people are interested in 2000€ gpu

[molten flame]

pretty sure 4090 supply is already low so a massive company like Microsoft buying them would be a problem

[prime jasper]

meanwhile sapphire nitro+ xtx is almost sold out again

must be plenty of radeon fans here

its 1480€

red devil xtx also is selling well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOatIQuQo3s

[quick locust]

7 of them

[tired notch]

at least its being used for something usefull

unlike mining POW crypto

[dry pike]

Chatgtp os going to replace all of us. All that is left is to suck at Battlefield

[prime jasper]

Dude ChatGTP or whatever is like a elementary school teacher, it doesn’t like to make poems and stuff about “rude” content.

Refused to make a poem about Peter Griffin.

[grim canopy]

Anyone here running 4070ti and 3600x? I'm having seriously low FPS and wondering if I'm CPU bottlenecked or if there's any other issue (I'm a PC noob).

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah it's your CPU.

[prime jasper]

That's a very unbalanced system. You are possibly even bottlenecked by the pcie slot if its 3.0

Should be 4.0 tho

[grim canopy]

I'm looking at upgrading my CPU to a 5800x3d. Should/Do I need to upgrade my mobo too? Currently on B450 tomahawk max...

[toxic wigeon]

You can run the 5800x3d on it yeah. Just need to update it.

[molten flame]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-rx-6000-driver-boosts-ray-tracing/

[midnight crypt]

lmao

nice bait

[agile lily]

im tryna play BFBC2 and i keep getting this message, "enter your serial key"

[quick locust]

!!support

[silent oasis]

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[agile lily]

now im getting "The connection with EA Online was lost." on BF4

[prime jasper]

Is there supposed to be short pin on 3070 on both sides

[midnight crypt]

yes

[long ore]

Are the battlefield 5 servers down?

[quick locust]

pretty demanding

[prime jasper]

Cleaned my table and PC

And xbox

It's dust collector

[prime jasper]

How's fractal design rma? My exhaust fan is making noise

Sounds like busted bearing

Stopped the fan in question and the noise stopped, there is nothing hitting it either

This shit is like 4 months old

im glad it is just a fan tho

took some minutes to locate the noise

[prime jasper]

sent a ticket to them

hope they just send me a new fan

[dry pike]

Tried it once, went fine

[prime jasper]

😅

Success

[molten flame]

https://www.etsy.com/img/32882206/r/il/acf090/3693416073/il_fullxfull.3693416073_r7kt.jpg

new key caps

[prime jasper]

[cursive marten]

a bunch of little guys

[primal pier]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-20025998

[coarse nimbus]

what is that...a 40% keyboard?

[cursive marten]

no that's clearly a TKL

[prime jasper]

can someone help me my ps5 controller doesnt work in 2042 and ive tried everything

[devout sonnet]

is fine for the other games?

[prime jasper]

pretty good

[toxic wigeon]

What does the Gray X mean?

[candid flame]

that's new

[toxic wigeon]

So refreshing the icons got rid of it.

Weird.

[prime jasper]

I had it once and it was related to onedrive

But i hear other things can cause it too

[pallid flare]

hey my pc randomly crashes when i open bf 2042 and after i turn it back on it runs fine

[quick locust]

read channel describtion

[pallid flare]

tech

not the right channel?

[ashen marsh]

I think they mean the "This channel is not for tech support!" part of this channel

[pale quartz]

^

[alpine anvil]

yes, there are different resources online to help with game issues 🙂

[tired notch]

i think i might actually switch to bing

cant belive it actually finaly came the day when im switching away from google search lol

[indigo mural]

anyone knows how to make steam's controller layout work for BF2042 from EA app ?

[molten flame]

Ryzen 7000X3D is supposed to be out this month but there's only a week left now and still no info about it

[tender quest]

Anyone knows how to fix the 100% cpu problem? I already tried the commands in the cfg file but it didnt work.

[prime jasper]

27th there will be

[molten flame]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/most-of-amds-gaming-centric-ryzen-7000-x3d-cpus-launch-feb-28/

or 28th

7800X3D could be in april tho

[midnight crypt]

now for benchmarks

[molten flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITmbT6reDsw

rip

[midnight crypt]

no

[vast valley]

Only advertise in #streams-and-videos

That means post your stream link and that's it - don't tell people outside of the channel to come check it out. If they want to watch, they'll go to #streams-and-videos channel and view it.

[lofty light]

Sounds like you need to find better ways to advertise than just posting here

[brave path]

4070 has no improvement at all for this year so 4080 is the one to go but is the 4080 150w good to go for Aorus 17H, it the only laptop on the market has 150w on it while the rest other 4080 laptop has 175w while this is not full max 4080 so I don’t know if performance for 4080 with 150w is big difference then 175 watts

[molten flame]

Laptops advancements are stagnating, hard to cool very dense silicon in a small device. Hence why all 4090s have beefier heatsinks than a 3090Ti while drawing less power than a 3090 on average

[cursive marten]

when it's not melting power connectors

[molten flame]

The only way for laptops to have big GPU performance improvements over previous generations would be by making them thicker, and most people don't want that

Laptops GPUs on 3nm and 2nm silicon are gonna be disappointing unless Nvidia/AMD does major architecture changes

[cursive marten]

I personally am getting a bit sick of this "MAKE THINGS THINNER" movement

[molten flame]

Thin laptops are convenient

But not for gaming

[brave path]

There Alienware the most thinnest laptop in the market most likely the x series

But it not really portable

[quick locust]

bought an used monitor from a company that went under

And its broken

[placid pawn]

What happened?

[quick locust]

Nothing, I just turned it on for first time

[placid pawn]

Ah yea its a used one 😄 dient read the stuff before

[quick locust]

Used stuff seem to have bad luck for me

My vega 64 came dead too

[candid flame]

nice piece of decor you have there

[quick locust]

advanced chalkboard

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTFUa60ozKY

seems like gigabyte has done good job with their b650 boards

gigabyte had no issues to run 6000Mhz memory from the start

this is also nice addition

[candid flame]

laptop 4070 can't even reach desktop 3070's level of performance

oof

[mint quest]

cant wait for a basic ass pc to be 10k in 5 years

[prime jasper]

cant wait to buy this

DS3H pricing makes no sense

its should be more cheaper than that like in other parts of the world

[molten flame]

low/mid-range Gigabyte boards are sus

tho they did better job with AM5 than on AM4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzvF7xZbcaI @nocturne drift

[prime jasper]

b650 seems to be good

asus prime b650 is dogshit

im gonna look if the atx gigabyte gaming x b650 is gonna be available anytime soon here as it has better vrm and one more ssd slot

if not i take the mATX

this is also good b550 afaik

but it says v2 so did they release bad one first?

[nocturne drift]

Every prime p is garbage

Iiteral usb port shortage

[prime jasper]

Prime b650 also has bad vrm

[molten flame]

Zen 4 laptop performance is good

[dry pike]

smol
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/750761696842219541/1078287318483472434/image0.jpg?width=446&height=544

[molten flame]

bebe

[prime jasper]

still air on that price lol

should be 199

[prime jasper]

Anyone has clue what could cause micro stutter in apex only when using wireless mouse?

Idk if its game issue or some pc issue

[prime jasper]

nvm it was nvidia reflex

turned that off and it stopped

[nocturne drift]

I got a 13900ks for 500

I'm thinking getting a hero and go for 7600

So the sp score the guy told me is 114 p cores and 86 e cores.

Paid silicone lottery 💀

[prime jasper]

what's a hero

[nocturne drift]

asus z790 hero

[prime jasper]

ah yea that's a 700€ board here

normal price 800

[nocturne drift]

I stopped part picking in 2023.

dont have the energy for that anymore

the $ I save I can just earn by playing table tennis instead of driving etc and I actually like table tennis

I brought 0 pc related stuff this year :C till this morning

[prime jasper]

but makes sense to get top end mobo if you gonna oc the shit out of the cpu

[nocturne drift]

yeah. I was gonna get the strix but the guys who sold me the 13900ks told me to get the hero

he stabilized 7800 on it

I am aiming for 7600 hopefully

I aint greedy

[quick locust]

Tried Arc A770 in Blender, around the same as an RX 6800, less than RTX 3050 and 2060

With RX 6950xt doing a bit below 2060 super

[nocturne drift]

Omg I scored an apex below retail!!!!

My luck!!!

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-beats-core-i9-13900k-in-new-geekbench-single-core-test

[turbid verge]

so a CPU that released today vs a CPU that released last year

[molten flame]

still competing generations

[turbid verge]

not much of a reason to get an i9

unless you do image/video processing or do heavy graphical work and data processing

but a gap of 6 month for AMD to release something as good/better an i9 still says a lot by itself

[toxic wigeon]

Makes you wonder why they delay the release of the X3d chips.

[turbid verge]

yeh they wanted to push a bit more the limits for competition

although intel is going to have the new 14th gen which is the ones I wanna see

they're going to tune it down to 4nm which could be interesting but also worrying if they get it wrong on the consumer grade level

[toxic wigeon]

I'm still confused about p and e cores. Are p cores mainly for gaming and e cores for back ground tasks?

[pale quartz]

yes, in theory

in reality it's a lot more complicated with the scheduler because hardware acceleration can require both

[pale quartz]

expensive to produce

[prime jasper]

do they tell what memory is used

[prime jasper]

because ddr5 6000 has CL30-40

[bold orchid]

Hey, I have the problem that my BF2042 just has 1 fps I tried so many things already but cant fix it. Played the game 30h before and everthing worked just fine. IGPU is disabled btw

[weak girder]

Whats your gpu

[bold orchid]

RTX 2070 Super

I7 10700k CPU

32 GB RAM
Its installed on a M.2 Ram with 1TB

[weak girder]

Ah

[pale quartz]

what is your GPU clock when playing the game?

actually you might be in background mode

center the window with the win key + r and set it to borderless

[weak girder]

Dont think this changes much

[pale quartz]

it does

[bold orchid]

https://imgur.com/a/3xz1Jlc

[pale quartz]

if it's at the minimum clock rate the boosting is fried

common on Nvidia cards

[bold orchid]

thats my taskmanager kekw while the game is in the foreground

[pale quartz]

you're in windowed mode, it doesn't have exclusive priority

[weak girder]

1 fps tho

[pale quartz]

change it to full screen or borderless

[pale quartz]

yes, when background mode is instantiated the GPU downclocks itself to save on power

it's how 90% of games work

[bold orchid]

its between 2-22%

[pale quartz]

that's your usage not your clock rate

you can try force rebooting the driver with the win key + cntrl + shift + b which will force the WDDM window to flush, but it's unlikely to change anything

[bold orchid]

https://imgur.com/a/CgKFDmw thats the clock rate and all the other good stuff

https://imgur.com/a/CgKFDmw thats it while BF is running

[pale quartz]

yeah you've got the infamous Nvidia lock

just hope it randomly fixes itself

[bold orchid]

you mean a LHR?

so I cant do shit about it awesome 😄

[midnight crypt]

could a DDU help?

[bold orchid]

I reinstalled the driver already. Or do I need to download a DDU?

is there any way the GPU is limiting it self? and a way to turn it off?

[pale quartz]

I do not mean the LHR lock

[lofty light]

Wasn't that lock limited to 2080tis?

[prime jasper]

No

Plenty of 3000 series are lhr

[pale quartz]

LHR lock is based on release date, older models weren't locked as its applied at a hardware level, newer revisions of the 30 models had the LHR lock

[nocturne drift]

yep literally exactly what I predicted, faster stock, slower tuned

[bold orchid]

So to be correct I can’t do shit rn to fix it right? Tbh I’m kinda fucked up 😅

[quick locust]

Force the pstate

[quick locust]

Gpu driver issues and it's not me for once

[prime jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/huang-jensen-nvidia-ceo-gif-19751265

[vivid berry]

can a nvidia geforce rtx 3060 gpu and 11th gen intel core i7 and 32 gigs of ram run battlefield 4 1 and 5

[prime jasper]

yes

[near minnow]

THoughts on this build please https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YCsjFg

[prime jasper]

I don't know your use case or preference but replace the 12900k with a 13700k

13700k is same core count but higher clock frequency and more cache

Also wouldn't pay $160 for windows

I'll assume it's for gaming but even if it isn't $800 for a 3070 is a waste of money

Yeah that 3070 is overpriced

[near minnow]

Thanks for the feedback, yes gaming, will BF2042 run on Win11? Do you know where to find resonably priced 3070s the stock is limited

[prime jasper]

bf2042 runs fine on windows 11, the second question is harder to answer since availability is different by region

If you wanted to spend $800 on a gpu your options would be the 4070 TI or rx7900xt, but the value of those is marginally better than that 3070

if you strictly wanted a 3070 I'd look to the used market

^also assuming your in the US from the partpicker list

[near minnow]

Yes US, thanks I'll take a look at $ and availability of the 4070 TI or rx7900xt

[small zinc]

Oh hey look, the 7950x3d performs well and outperforms the 13900k.

Here’s the caveat. You need DDR5 6000 with a CAS latency of 30 and timings under 80

Corsair is the only RAM that I can think of that provides that level of performance

In fact their new Vengeance RAM is specifically timed for these new 3D V-Cache CPU’s

[nocturne drift]

yeah stock

[nocturne drift]

u dont

3D V Cache is not ram sensitive

look at 5800X 3D benchmark

so a 7200 tuned 13900k will smoke 7950X 3D

I predict everything right, everytime

logic > all

[nocturne drift]

any hynix m die can do 6000 cl30

above average die ram

but yeah if u want the best stock xmp performance, prob 7950X 3D, even that we dont know with a $ mobo and $ ram on intel at 7200-7600 xmp

[molten flame]

7800X3D might be faster than 7950X3D too, which is why it's coming a couple months after

[nocturne drift]

Could be.

[molten flame]

Then again late launch could also be to prevent cannibalizing top tier SKU

[nocturne drift]

Every company milking that money.

I'm sad the guys selling me the apex found a bent cpu pin and refunded me.

He is rmaing with Asus and selling me again hopefully

[molten flame]

Don't know how people manage to bend a motherboard pin must have been clumsy and dropped CPU on socket when trying to install it

[nocturne drift]

who knows haha

I know how I broke mine

I dropped a microfiber cloth into the socket

[molten flame]

[nocturne drift]

ok I played 2042 for the first time in months

did the fps increase? also I feel alot less slight micro stutters

[ivory creek]

computer cases with plates of wood seem to be the new thing, first fractal design and now corsair

[nocturne drift]

ngl i am not a fan

maybe if the whole case is?

after swapping ql with ml fans on the ram and pc case my ram temp dropped by 8c

[ivory creek]

it gives a designer look to it imo

but ye bf2042 runs without any stutter even in 4k ultra on my old 3900x and 3090 and u have an even better computer, right

[nocturne drift]

Yeah

It's like every time they do some major update the fps goes up by 10

[ivory creek]

idk the performance with raytracing on tho, always had it off

[nocturne drift]

Same

[prime jasper]

I always play 128 player so my framerate is all over the place

[quick locust]

I like wood on cases, can look decent

System76 had some for some years and now fractal

Entire case made of wood when

[prime jasper]

Not at all lol. G.Skill and adata has too, its widely available

G.skill trident z5 neo actually faster than corsair

Think it's hynix m die like mazda said

[prime jasper]

Yes they released cpu optimizations few months ago

[small zinc]

I don’t G. Skill has any DDR 6000 RAM with CL 30-36-36-76 timings. In fact the only I can find remotely close os G. Skills Trident Z5 with 30-40-40-89

In fact I’m almost positive nobody else has achieved that yet

[small zinc]

You do.

[small zinc]

Awesome. So a heavily overclocked 13900k will beat a stock AMD. I’m shocked. What an argument.

[small zinc]

Sure. But they don’t have the timings Corsair just launched.

Ready for that tuned 13900k to get smoked by that 7950x3d with tuned RAM also. I too can make the same argument

By slower RAM. Lol

[prime jasper]

You are talking about tuned memory then say it lol. G.Skill best experience out of box for ryzen

[small zinc]

Corsair literally just launched the vengeance set. It’s faster and timed better in every aspect

[prime jasper]

Don't see any corsair cl30 in stock either

[small zinc]

In stock might be a different story. People definitely are choosing that over the G. Skill for their build

[prime jasper]

Why

[small zinc]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-RGB-DDR5-—-Optimized-for-AMD/p/CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30#tab-tech-specs

That’s why. G. Skill doesn’t have those timings

Not even close

[prime jasper]

It's literally just tuned m die

[small zinc]

Great. Out of the box, nobody has that yet

That was your argument

[prime jasper]

You can apply tthose timings to any of them

[small zinc]

Probably. Out of the box. Corsair just trumped G Skill

[prime jasper]

And added corsair tax into the price

[small zinc]

Well. Your argument was incorrect

And I’m proving that

[prime jasper]

You were the first to complain there isn't any other ram than corsair for cl30

Don't forget that

[small zinc]

If people are willing to buy $1700 GPU’s. Some “Corsair Tax” isn’t gonna deter anyone for the fastest out of the box timings experience

[small zinc]

Nope. Re read what i said

[prime jasper]

And haven't seen any benchmark for corsair

[small zinc]

I said no other ddr5 6000 with those timings

[prime jasper]

Timings don't mean it will certainly perform that

[small zinc]

You’re naive then

[prime jasper]

You are just taking their word for it

Maybe none of the mobos even can run those timings

[small zinc]

Corsair’s word that’s what their timings are? Yeah. Corsair is a pretty reputable company.

You don’t think most 670 boards can achieve that? Again naive

[prime jasper]

Then where are the benchmarks

[small zinc]

When the 7950 launches next week, we’ll have them

[prime jasper]

If they achieved it its easy to show

[small zinc]

Your argument has fallen apart

Really it has

You’re not really arguing anything here

[prime jasper]

They won't even make difference on 3D

[small zinc]

Again. You’re naive

[prime jasper]

It's true and you know it

[small zinc]

If you don t think ram can make a difference in performance, it’s useless arguing with you

I’ve had better arguments from my 13 year old son

[prime jasper]

It will make difference but not on 3D

No point arguing about that because its a fact

[small zinc]

You’re absolutely right. Memory designed to read its column addresses faster makes zero difference

You’re so right

[prime jasper]

You can look how 5800X3D scales with timings

[small zinc]

The fact that you just made a blanket statement such as “that’s a fact” just rendered every argument you’ve made and all future arguments moot. I can now disregard literally anything you say from now on. And will ignore literally anything you reply with

[lofty magnet]

can anyone create a chatgbt acc for me ?

[small zinc]

Can you not make one yourself?

[toxic wigeon]

Why?

[prime jasper]

You can spend the extra 100 dollars for corsair but you won't get anything for it

[toxic wigeon]

I've heard corsair ram is a bit annoying to work with.

[lofty magnet]

@small zincnot available in my country

[prime jasper]

Truth hurts

[small zinc]

VPN?

[lofty magnet]

not working on my 4G router . tried

[small zinc]

So what are you really asking for. Why would someone else’s account make a difference for you if you can’t access it regardless?

[lofty magnet]

its like using vpn but instead its real country yk ?

[small zinc]

No I understand how VPN’s work. It’s why I suggested it

[lofty magnet]

if vpn not working on my pc then wouldn't it be better if i made the acc outside of my region instead . that's my thought

[small zinc]

Can you not access the web app period?

[lofty magnet]

giving me white screen

[small zinc]

So what would someone else’s account do for you?

[lofty magnet]

i will make my account .using my email mate. its the EU or US ip that i need

it will open if the acc is made outside my region

[small zinc]

Oh I see. I haven’t personally used it yet myself so was a little confused on how that actually worked

[lofty magnet]

btw vpn works on other pcs .but not mine unfortunately. but i have no one close enough to ask to create a acc for me

[prime jasper]

corsair timings aren't even faster than G.Skill

buildzoid's timings on g skill destroys corsair "best ram"

even out of box its faster than corsair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOatIQuQo3s

[small zinc]

Buildzoid.

Lel.

Further discredited

[prime jasper]

it's literally faster

[small zinc]

It’s Buildzoid.

You’re wrong yet again

[prime jasper]

dont care who he is, its timings

[small zinc]

Nevermind. Said I wasn’t going to reply to you again. Not going to entertain you anymore.

[prime jasper]

i dropped hard statistics and you say im still wrong

ok bud

[small zinc]

I can also find Mickey Mouse benchmarks with no testing methodology

[prime jasper]

your corsair isnt faster

its right there

[small zinc]

👍

You’re right. Buildzoid is a credible source and super reliable. You win.

[prime jasper]

the gskill is out of box faster

[small zinc]

Yep. Sure is.

[prime jasper]

is it so hard to understand

[small zinc]

Not at all. You win. I trust you and Buildzoid.

Good info

[prime jasper]

out of box gskill vs corsair

🤷

and the source isnt buildzoid they just used timings from them to show tuned memory performance along with out of box experience

[small zinc]

When you get all growed up, and learn how PC’s work, as well as how to cite real sources other than biased VLOGS from YouTube, then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation

Until then, ignored

[prime jasper]

proved wrong

[small zinc]

You haven’t. Not even remotely close

But I’m still gonna let you think you “punked” me

😉

[toxic wigeon]

There's really zero need for this shit. Stop with the arguing and just move on.

[small zinc]

Roger Way.

[prime jasper]

facts are right there

as usual i cant argue when im right

[midnight crypt]

just let the dude be wrong

[prime jasper]

yeah i will buy the gskill and enjoy best performance

[light depot]

Hey guys, sorry to disturb but can anyone help me with a tech problem with BF1

?

[toxic wigeon]

Depends.

We usually do not help with in game issues but if it's in due of your hardware we may.

[light depot]

well the game just wont launch

and I don't really what to do. I redownloaded it 4 times and also scanned it several times. But nothing works

[toxic wigeon]

If I had to guess, Maybe an issue with your launcher.

However I am not entirely sure.

I wish I knew How to help but.

[light depot]

no problem mate, I'll guess I just have to look around. Thanks again

[prime jasper]

i think amd is competing themselves with these cpu's

the lower priced ones are probably very close to 7950x3D

[nocturne drift]

No because 3D doesn't scale with ram much. A tuned 5800X3D is less than 5% faster than xmp 5800X3D

[nocturne drift]

Just type corsairs timing and voltage on any m die with the same voltage and do a stress test like tm5. It will most likely work.

Also just copy buildzoid's timing on any m die and stress test and it will beat anything stock xmp by a country miles.

[prime jasper]

corsair still has higher tRC than gskill trident 112 vs 96

primary are lower by two

[nocturne drift]

Corsair historically don't have the tightest timing.

I don't blame them because their rgb produce alot of heat. At least for vengence pro rgb

My corsair b die hits 60+ without a fan with rgb at rainbow wave.

Making it white will prob go 70+

[prime jasper]

lol

[nocturne drift]

Yeah with a ml120 pointing at it now it's low 40s.

[prime jasper]

more reasons to buy non rgb

[nocturne drift]

I have 9 QL 120 fans rn

I wish I can post the picture lol

Next build is rgb city

[prime jasper]

my case has 3x fractal aspect rgb fans

they are very bright

[nocturne drift]

Shine bright like Rihanna's 4Head

Jk

[prime jasper]

one of the fans is crapping out tho but fractal RMA sent me a new fan

it has noisy bearing

it was very easy rma they just sent it right away after i messaged them, no questions asked

[small zinc]

It’s time to accept that the 13900k will no longer hold the performance crown

And will belong to AMD again

Until next Gen or Intel releases something new

In gaming. Let me be specific

[nocturne drift]

We will find out soon. 7950X3D 6000 cl30 vs 13900k 7600-8000 CL34 to 36

But from that graph it's looking real bad for 7950X3D.

Cause 6000 is not the sweet spot for Intel.

[nocturne drift]

That's what people told me about 7900xtx vs 4090. 5800X 3D vs 12900k, and look what happened.

Oh and zen4 vs raptorlake

Simple logic always wins.

But X3D is not bad by any means. It brings out basically the max performance out of the box without the hassle of tuning.

This is why I upgraded 3 friends to 5800X 3D when they are on am4 already

[small zinc]

I’ll give you the 7900xtx. But AMD themselves admitted it was never meant to compete with the 4090. It was meant to compete with thr 4080. And it does that. And it out performs it as well for less money

And you can be in denial all you’d like. The 5800x3d does in fact overall outperform the 12900k

[nocturne drift]

In stock. Once tuned it won't even beat 12700k on average.

Like I said X3D is good for out of the box experience

And it suits amd perfectly for their weak memory controller.

But if you know about tuning and max out the mem controller on Intel, it's GG. But it's a hassle and takes time. Me being more and more lazy do see how it's abit of eh for majority of people lol

This is why I am really thankful for people like buildzoid. i2hard and selective few in the oc community posting their overclocks. Give us a guide. Both intel and amd.

[small zinc]

That’s a gimpy argument

The 12700k is a better CPU anyway for gaming than the 12900k

The E cores are 100% pointless

Always have been

And Buildzoid is garbage man. Their testing methodology has never been reliable and historically biased

[nocturne drift]

How is buildzoid garbage.

Wtf.

He teaches you how to overclock. He doesn't even test games.

12700k has less cache than 12900k, and lower binned so its not better.

[pale quartz]

yeah no, AMD simply can't scale with ryzen compared to intel

the IF in ryzen is a bottleneck, not an advantage, the IMC hits a frequency wall because of signal integrity issues

Intel's skylake architecture is old and built for single core performance, not memory bandwidth, which means it inherently is easier to push because there's no worry about having to prevent corruption over transit, that will change with royal core, but for now it remains

[lapis tulip]

I get annoying gpu spikes during gameplay (i7-9700kf, rx 6600xt, 16gb ddr4) pls help

[prime jasper]

update drivers lower settings

[lapis tulip]

I have up to date drivers and I play on auto settings(medium)

[prime jasper]

disable the auto setting

[lapis tulip]

Okay, i will lower it then

Thx

[near minnow]

Thoughts on this revised build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sFHsGL

[prime jasper]

i can't play bf1 because now that i have to use ea play it keeps saying "your game failed to launch" anyone had this problem and could fix it? i would appreciate a lot the help

and i keep seeing videos on youtube and see different sites but no help for me

origin was so much easier what a bunch of what they need to change whats good

[cursive marten]

consider that a sign from God

[small zinc]

Just go ahead and look at any benchmark. That’s not true at all.

[nocturne drift]

in what benchmark is 12900k slower than 12700k? I am so confused.

What are u saying.

[unkempt valve]

none because it's false

even in the event you get the same clocks on the 12700k as u will on the 12900k (which you probably wont) the cache difference will mean the 12900k will perform better on some level

itll be barely faster, but faster regardless

[nocturne drift]

Yeah That's what I said.

[small zinc]

@nocturne drift https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-5800x3d-vs-core-i7-12700k-and-core-i9-12900k-face-off-the-rise-of-3d-v-cache

[nocturne drift]

what is this?

stock numbers

and at no point where 12700k beats 12900k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkDh_gZ4ZQ

here is tuned numbers with every timing showed

3+% uplift for 5800X3D from samsung bdie ram tune. 16+% uplift for 12900k samsung bdie tune, 12+% uplift for 12900k Hynix mdie tune

3D don't scale well with ram, thats kinda the reason amd went 3D, to bypass it

https://youtu.be/QPLdTZb-bLw

here is another, although I disagree with him becasue 5800X3D is great for am4 upgrade so its a hit not a miss

but the numbers shown here are right

[small zinc]

You’re welcome by the way

[small zinc]

This is the 5800x3d handily beating a 12900k

Of which you said didn’t happen

And to is shows it does

[nocturne drift]

yeah stock. tuned ram it didn't happen

[nocturne drift]

tuned ram it never did.

[nocturne drift]

thanks, you are welcome by the way for the 2 videos I showed above where tuned ram 12700k and 12900k beating the 5800X3D tuned ram.

also the guy didn't even bother with ddr5 lol

2x 8GB Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600 - Stock: DDR4-3200 14-14-14-36 / OC: DDR4-3800 - All Gear 1

2x 8GB Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600 - Stock: DDR4-3200 14-14-14-36 | OC/PBO: DDR4-3800

THEY BENCHED WITH SINGLE RANK?

LOL

🤣

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[small zinc]

Dude. Just accept the 5800x3d beats the 12900k

[nocturne drift]

Yo this is sooo funny

[small zinc]

You lost

[nocturne drift]

HAHAHAHA

[cursive marten]

what the fuck is going on in here

[toxic wigeon]

No idea. Don't care, It's been handled with.

[spiral dune]

guys be quiet I got my 16800k i11 processor and rtx 8090

[flint maple]

I was simply asking what would be left for actual people to do in terms of jobs and work.
ok. whatever you feel like. just because an AI can do something doesn't mean you suddenly can't.

Also, I would like to mention that the creation of art from AI has had an impact on how the public perceives art, in terms of how art is valued. I have talked to someone who has genuine distain for furry artists, and believes that they charge too much for their commissions, and in response to that, they use AI trained from sites that primarily host furry artwork to generate fursonas, and sell them in some attempt to undermine the actual artists, and I'm sure this practice happens in other places across the AI art sphere. Hell, AI has a large problem of just stealing other people's art for training purposes already.
Sure if you want something generic, use an AI. Use a mediocre artist that makes soulless uninspired garbage for practically free. It's effectively the same thing. This is nothing new. Though I love it that people like to refer to AI learning patterns from input material as stealing except when a human does it it's just called referencing and derivative work and is totally fine.

@cursive marten

[cursive marten]

It's stealing other people's work on masse to make generic uninspired bullshit, which in this context was being sold FOR MONEY OUT OF SPITE.

[flint maple]

why is it stealing, or rather how is it stealing

[cursive marten]

Humans using other people's art as reference is fine because if they've got any sense of credibility or decency they're not gonna just outright trace whatever artwork they're referencing. That's generally not cool, and not considered an acceptable practice. With AI, that's all it does. It replicates what it sees and what it's trained on. Unlike people AI can't develop a unique style or create stuff independent of the references they're given, because AI just replicates what it knows.

[flint maple]

are you implying that humans have some internal process that lets them pull new ideas out of thin air that aren't based on combinations of existing ideas in different ways?

[cursive marten]

I am implying that humans eventually aren't going to need to consult all of their references every single time they create a piece of artwork, and will eventually just develop their own style and way of drawing things.

[flint maple]

AIs don't do that either. If they did their model would be so large it wouldn't fit on a consumer PC. Stable Diffusion wouldn't exist as open-source software that you can run on your local machine as efficiently as it is. You're right, humans don't do that. They select and detect patterns and store them in the neurons of their brain. An AI does something similar. It selects and detects patterns and stores them in artificial neurons.

The main difference comes down to the fact that humans have their whole life as experience to pull from. They don't pull things from air, they pull from the total sum of their life experience. An AI's whole life is trying to make art based on what it has seen, and the only thing it's seen is more art than a human could see in their lifetime.

It's not really right to say it's stealing since it's doing the same basic things humans do, it's just missing the rest of the human experience, and to that I believe it's more accurate to say AI is uninspired.

Also people making bland uninspired generic art based on other people's styles for cheap is nothing new, people have been doing it forever.

Life goes on, because true art is deeper than its material existence as pixels or paint on canvas

[cursive marten]

I just don't think it's appropriate to be using other people's artwork on masse for training purposes, especially when there's either barely any attempt at getting permission from artists for this, or an absolute lack of care for permission in the first place, taking the art's publicly available status as justification for use of their art in this fashion.

I just feel it's very disrespectful.

[flint maple]

Why is permission necessary? People/bots are crawling, searching, archiving, parsing, and analyzing every single thing posted on the internet all the time. Why is this any different?

There's probably 5 bots archiving this conversation somewhere now as we speak

This conversation might become training data in GPT-5 when they decide to start training it

[cursive marten]

Why are you equating text chat logging to an AI art bot logging some random person's art to use for reference for as long as that AI exists?

why would a conversation in a BF discord be used as training data for GPT-5?

[flint maple]

Because most of the data for GPT is just internet webpages crawled by bots. Why not add random Discord channels archived on a website somewhere to the list

[cursive marten]

What website is actively logging discord server conversations?

[flint maple]

I don't know, it could be literally anyone, anywhere. Any of these users in the user list could be a user bot just logging every single message sent in every single channel its in and storing it for archiving

The internet is mostly bots

well, not mostly

like 30%

still a lot

[cursive marten]

seems like a worthless thing to archive and would take a significant amount of storage to do that for a considerable length of time. Anyway, even considering that, personally, if I found out some random AI startup i didn't know existed yoinked my art and was using that in the process of creating uninspired bullshit, then I would be justified in not being very happy about that, and I feel like a lot of artists would feel the same way, see the incident where DeviantART tried rolling out an initiative to train an AI program and made it so everything on the site was opted into this by DEFAULT. Needless to say, a lot of people were not happy about this.

[flint maple]

oh yeah they did that to programmers on GitHub too with GitHub Copilot and most of us didn't really care

the question on most peoples minds was licensing and stuff

[cursive marten]

to be fair isn't a lot of programming just like, looking up how other people did shit

like a lot of stuff isn't actually programmed "From scratch"?

because it would take a significant amount of effort to do so?

[flint maple]

yeah I guess if you don't know a lot about programming

but also programming is pretty basic, there ain't really a lot of ways you can draw a circle

[cursive marten]

yeah to be fair I don't know much about programming, I have friends who are into it and what little I know comes from them talking about it occasionally.

[flint maple]

speaking on that same front of not knowing a lot about art, isn't a lot of popular art highly derivative of other works? not specifically in the style but rather the underlying assets?

[cursive marten]

What do you mean?

If you mean like fanart then yeah, I guess. Don't see why that isn't worth considering it as art in it's own merits though.

[flint maple]

I'm not saying it's not art, it's just similar in a way to programming in that most stuff isn't just pulled from the ether, it's derivative, it's based on something else the person has seen and wants to create.

or has been paid to create

I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just something that everyone does, or at least it appears to me that's what many people do

[cursive marten]

Still, the creation process is far different. Guess it wouldn't be appropriate to say art takes more skill to create than programming but it certainly takes a very different skillset to do so. I guess that's why people opposed dA's AI art training thing as opposed to people on Github largely not minding it, only being concerned about licensing.

[flint maple]

idk as a programmer I'd think it takes more skill to make art

which is part of why I don't think what text-to-image AIs make is art

[cursive marten]

I donno, I can't really speak to it, not being proficient in either

which is why i didn't really say anything in that respect

[pale quartz]

yes, and so is every other field, including art

things are built on iteration, and even before the internet existed people have been using old reference material for people's design inspiration, source ideas, etc, it's only part of human history, this version is simply what people have already been doing for decades in a hyper form, apparently it's perfectly acceptable to steal someone's art ideas and turn it into your own "source material", but it's not okay for a machine, it doesn't make any sense

it doesn't matter where you look, whether it's art, engineering, computer science, everything that has ever existed was built off someone else's work, we learned our information about building stuff from the Roman's, infact we've been trying to copy their stuff for generations, and that's just one example

there are licensing issues around this sort of technology, but it is not the spawn of hell as some people make out, if you're talking in practical terms, it was an inevitability

[midnight crypt]

L

[prime jasper]

Any word when amd releasing rx 7800

[molten flame]

RX 7800XT is 256-bit and slower than RX 6900XT, which is also 256-bit

7800XT is also a small chip

GCD only like 180mm^2

so definitely less compute silicon than Navi 21 GPUs

[prime jasper]

yeah but when are they supposed to release it

[molten flame]

April to June

[prime jasper]

so we probably see nvidia releasing 4070 and/or 4060/ti soon

[molten flame]

4070 is a disappointment as well, gigabyte leaked 10/12/16GB variants of it lmao

10GB 160-bit, 12GB 192-bit and 16GB 128-bit

[prime jasper]

that's a true nvidia moment

jeez

[molten flame]

I'm doubting the 16GB variant tho

128-bit is shit

should be 4060 tops

not even a 4060Ti

[prime jasper]

yeah i remember i had some 128 bit card years ago

[molten flame]

1050Ti/1650/3050 are 128-bit

[prime jasper]

i dont remember which one it was but i remember it had 128 bit bus

it was slow

1050ti

that was it

it ran bf4 tho

[molten flame]

128-bit RTX 4000 would be about 3060Ti/3070 performance

maybe less depending on SM count

[prime jasper]

and 3070 has 256 bit bus

wish it had 2gb more vram tho

because i can't use extreme settings in forza lol

extreme texture settings will max out the 8gb vram

💀

[molten flame]

3070 can only have 8/16/32GB because of 256-bit memory

10GB requires 80/160/320-bit

[prime jasper]

rip

[molten flame]

3070 with 16GB and 3080 with 20GB at launch would have made RX 6000 less competitive

[prime jasper]

imo they should had done that

[molten flame]

tho 3080 with 20GB would have made 3090 almost irrelevant

[prime jasper]

it would also make the gpu last slightly longer due the more vram, people with 3070 are gonna need upgrade soon for newer games due to the vram size

[molten flame]

just play at low texture settings

[prime jasper]

but that was probably the plan, nvidia wants people to buy the new

[toxic wigeon]

Probably cheaper for them overall do to that too.

[prime jasper]

but then they would make people pay more also

[quick locust]

16GB vram club

[prime jasper]

In retrospect my 7900xt purchase wasn't the best P2P but I'm glad it has the large amount memory

[quick locust]

Not seen many use that card yet, has it been alright so far?

[quick locust]

RX 6000 barely sold in comparison to ampere anyway

AMD has less gpu marketshare now than the last 10 years

[pale quartz]

they dont

it's anywhere from 20-30% of the GPU discrete market, not an insignificant amount

Nvidias and AMDs revenues for this quarter are actually relatively similar on the GPU front, not much separating them except ampere oversupply on nvidias part

[quick locust]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_gpu_market_share_dropped_to_an_all-time_low_in_q3_2022_-_nvidia_dominates/1

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amds-graphics-card-market-share-gets-cut-in-half-as-nvidia-accounts-for-90-of-gpus-sold/

[pale quartz]

lol big surprise Nvidia wins in the iGPU market

this is discrete only, it isn't true that AMD have the lowest share in 10 years, it's the highest they've ever been as a share of revenue

[quick locust]

AMDs discrete is 8% on desktop

[candid flame]

rdna 3 laptop gpus when 🥺

[pale quartz]

according to what?

cause their finances and nvidias finances don't line up with 8%

[quick locust]

Jon Peddie Research

[pale quartz]

I haven't seen any mention of 8% in any financial projections, and I trust Nvidias and AMDs own estimations more than some arbitrary third party

[quick locust]

They've had more igpus due to laptops

[pale quartz]

yes and iGPUs are not discrete

[quick locust]

ik

their discrete market share is doing poorly

[pale quartz]

JPR's latest report notes that add-in-board market share saw NVIDIA increase up to 79% of the discrete GPU market share in Q2 2022, up from 75% in Q1 2022, and up from 80% back this time last year in Q2 2021. AMD is back down to 20% of the discrete GPU market share, down from 24% in Q1 2022, but back to the same 20% that the company had in Q2 2021.

anyone quoting some phantom number of 8% clearly isn't bothering reading nvidias own figures

[quick locust]

would find report myself but it costs 1000 usd lol

Oh also

I use Q3 where you used Q2

in Q2 they were at 20%

Q4 data when

[pale quartz]

those numbers are on some other level of phantom bull

the idea that AMD controlled over a third of the GPU market with, RDNA1, is beyond insane

[quick locust]

5700xt carried that lel

still higher in steam hardware survey than most rdna2

[pale quartz]

there aren't enough 5700xts in the world for AMD to sell to gain 5% market share nevermind 35%

[quick locust]

not as high as rx 580 was though

[pale quartz]

the numbers mean nothing, and from what I can factor in they're using the steam hardware survey as an influence on measuring shipments per quarter, isn't reliable

[quick locust]

Nah they use jpr

[pale quartz]

JPR don't have anywhere near those numbers