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thorny tendon
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Something pretty major (in Sweden) regarding the armed forces passed relatively unnoticed last year (2022). The Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) issued the first number of their magazine "Materiel" (very imaginative title), where they had a section on replacing the now rather old and outdated Ak 5C rifle.

Specifically it was mentioned that they are looking to replace the standard issue rifle and introduce a personal defence weapon (PDW) in the Swedish Armed Forces. These are mentioned to be in the first round of re-equipping the Armed Forces. After those have been trialled and acquired it's also mentioned that there will likely be a second round of re-equipping, specifically a new sharpshooter rifle, sniper rifle, and anti-materiel rifle.

It is also mentioned though not "timelined" that they are seeking to replace the current light machine gun and grenade launcher.

Most interesting, I found, was the mention of having the standard issue rifle, PDW, and sharpshooter rifle belonging to the same family of firearms. To me, this seems to indicate that the most likely candidate for adoption is the HK416 and 417 with variants. The fact that I own the Swedish Armed Forces' manual for those also seems to reinforce my suspicion.

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In closing the article they also mentioned that the project is being undertaken together with Finland, although it is made clear that each country will make their own determination on which weapon platform(s) fit their environment the best.

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I doubt it'll be something like the NGSW-R where they changed caliber of the standard issue rifle though. There's still so much 5.56 in stockpiles and likely even more going to be put on the market with the US Army (potentially) moving to the 6.8mm cartridge.

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Oh, and the Nordic Combat Uniform (NCU) was finalized and started being acquired by the Nordic nations last year (2022) as well. Edit: Note that this does not mean all Nordic countries will use the same camo, just model of uniform.

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Would be interesting (in my view) to see DICE's take on a Swedish specialist based on this information.

prime jasper
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What does it have to do with tech

thorny tendon
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Besides that, not that much, but this channel does have in it's description the following & other nerdy stuff!

prime jasper
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nocturne drift
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I brought a 5900X

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I am gifting this to my friend and swap the 3900X

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Then I will sell the 3900X.

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New year skrr skrr

molten flame
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ELSA confirms RTX 4070 Ti GPUs ELSA has made a mistake of uploading their landing page for the yet unannounced RTX 4070 Ti graphics card before the official embargo had lifted.  The page is just one banner and very basic information on the new graphics card, and the link leading to the actual product is […]

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Only existing 2-slot 4070Ti

north crow
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sleek

static dome
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4060, 4070 when

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what do you guys think about intel arc, battlemage?

molten flame
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4060 slower than 3070

fierce bloom
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RTX 3060 or Radeon RX 6700 XT, Which one is better?

molten flame
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6700XT is directly comparable to 3060Ti in games

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3060 is slow

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3060 is about 20% slower than 3060Ti/6700XT

fierce bloom
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alright, 3060Ti is better than 6700XT?

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just asking

molten flame
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3060Ti just better in ray-tracing only

fierce bloom
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im thinking about to get a new pc

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i dont care much about graphics

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just want to play the game smoothly and want to have a not-blurry game 💀

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can you recommend some proccessor - gpu?

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i dont understand much

toxic wigeon
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What's the resolution of your monitor?

pale quartz
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the drivers are not stable and you will regret it within a week

toxic wigeon
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Really. A 5600x with a 3060ti or a 6700xt as a starting kit I'd recommend.

New gpus are set to be released soon so it will be change. And we have 7000 series processors / gen 13 Intel out too.

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Hell.

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I just remembered the 13600 existed haha.

molten flame
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7000X3D should be really good since there is little to no penalty to clockspeed

pale quartz
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is SKU dependent it's not universal

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some have higher penalities than others

molten flame
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I heard all of them do over 5 GHz all-core boost

pale quartz
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they do

toxic wigeon
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Is there a 7700xt?

molten flame
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not yet

toxic wigeon
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Or. What's the date for it to be released in?

molten flame
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seems like Navi 33 is 7700XT

pale quartz
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not anytime soon

molten flame
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Navi 32 might match Navi 21 or maybe a little faster

static dome
pale quartz
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litany of issues don't buy it for at least a year

static dome
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okay, within a year nvidia might release 4060/4070, so I can go with that as well

pale quartz
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they're launching this year, not for a while though

static dome
dry pike
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So few titles where RTX is actually relevant

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for me at least

static dome
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yeah I just want max fps for the money

toxic wigeon
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What's your resolution?

molten flame
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Win 7 goated

static dome
prime jasper
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Boot up time helf hour and barely opens browser

coarse nimbus
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im so sadge...trying to look for a new mp4 player to replace my battery failing cowon j3 is proving to be difficult RIP

so many of these shitty china clone players with different brands on them

dry pike
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Where would you use a mp4 player?

coarse nimbus
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Every day, at work Hmm

dry pike
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And how is buying any cheap old flagshit phone and not inserting a sim card not better?

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You need the DAC to drive some wired cans?

coarse nimbus
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Thats kinda toxic

dry pike
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I'm not sure how asking a question about another product being an alternative or not is toxic but I'm sorry if that's how you feel. I'll just do something else, no worries.

prime jasper
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I'd imagine this price is only for founder edition as with the other cards Hmmm

coarse nimbus
# molten coral Wireless?

i just used wired headphones, but having actual side buttons for play/advance/rewind instead of it all being touch screen is nice to use from the outside of a pocket..thats the issue with all these new ones SadFace

molten coral
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I've used it a few times, really liked it.

coarse nimbus
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i might have scrolled past that on amazon or something already...if its the one you are talking about, I barely escaped the webpage before sony wanted a large sum of money from me leo

molten coral
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let me find it

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bruh it's so expensive on amazon

coarse nimbus
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apparently this cowon company just...doesnt have any stock anywhere for new players despite they are seemingly still producing it based off their homepage LUL seems like another covid supply issue

molten coral
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but it's the Sony NW-A105

coarse nimbus
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yeah ok that was one i saw...16gb for $370...are you fucking having a laugh sony?

molten coral
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Yeah big yikes

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I can find it for 200

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which is still expensive

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But a lot lower than what it's on amazon

coarse nimbus
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i want to say i paid almost $200 for the one i have atm like a dozen years ago

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so i think i got my moneys worth from it leo

toxic wigeon
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Hey. Need a bit of guidance.

I just got myself a display port 1.4. It was the one that I could buy.

For some reason it's not displaying at 1440p it's doing it at 480p.

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The only thing that pops up when it asks me for display is Nv fail-safe.

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So I must of tripped something.

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Even when the cords are in the right place.

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My 3080 is up to date.

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So an nvidia failsafe that is what it is.

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Do I reinstall my driver?

toxic wigeon
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IT WORKS.

nocturne drift
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Let's go.

dry pike
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Poor fan, looks like a fractal, they have good customer service last time I talked to them btw

molten coral
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800 so it's gonna be 1100 in the Netherlands Harold

molten flame
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it's not actually faster than 3090Ti either

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more like 3080Ti level

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or even regular 3080

midnight crypt
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its faster with dlss 3 CursedCat

prime jasper
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i got 2012 nvidia 1

candid flame
molten flame
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4050 laptops are overpriced, 3050 ones are 40-50% cheaper

errant cypress
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Are new 4000s good value?

nocturne drift
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4070ti is prob a stock 3080ti with weak azz power limit

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ewww

brave path
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Anyone know what is Dynamic display switch

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It a new advance Optimus from Aorus 15/17x 2023 gaming laptop

nocturne drift
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sold a 3900X for 160

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I upgraded my friend's cpu from 3900X to 5900X for 40 bucks

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W

quick locust
molten flame
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One day 5900X will be like $200

quick locust
quick locust
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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lol

molten flame
nocturne drift
nocturne drift
crystal gorge
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is a 4070Ti a good 1080ti replacement

quick locust
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It's poorly priced currently

quick locust
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4090 mobile 4080

molten flame
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quick locust
molten flame
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7900XT better choice than 4070Ti

toxic wigeon
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It's a damn joke of a card.

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It should of just been advertised as a cheaper 3080ti that's all

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Nvidia cards are only ever worth it when they drop in value.

ivory creek
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damn 4070ti is already announced

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was i stupid to buy a 3090 for 900euro some months ago?

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hm

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oh well its enough for me

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apparently intel raptor lake is performing about the same in windows 10 as 11 now

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games like rust require more than 12gb vram in 4k

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so thats always something

prime jasper
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I think they should have given the 4070 TI more vram and a larger bus widths to account for it but I suppose that would have upped the cost

molten flame
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It would have to use same chip as 4080 then

prime jasper
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Oh yeah I guess the memory controller limits the bandwidth

quick locust
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a mere fraction of my power

prime jasper
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Do they specify how much bandwidth the IMC on the chips can handle?

toxic wigeon
ivory creek
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60fps that is

nocturne drift
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4070ti is sooo bad.

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As bad as the 7900xt

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Amd and Nvidia enabling each other.

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I feel like they are working together now.

prime jasper
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more of a 12ti person myself but go off i guess 💅🏼

storm osprey
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got damn 4070 ti beats 3090 ti

molten flame
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fake news

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3090Ti paid actor

errant cypress
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Is 4070ti good for 4k?

molten flame
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no

sterile flower
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anyone that know why my videocard is almost doing nothing when im playing btf?

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like my cpu is doing the work?

dry pike
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Sounds like CPU bottleneck, 2042 is CPU intensive

prime jasper
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4070 ti 940€ here

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Tuf gaming model and gigashyte

sterile flower
prime jasper
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Also msi ventus

dry pike
sterile flower
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so my cpu is to weak for my gpu?

quick locust
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What's your specs

dry pike
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Can't say, don't know your specs

sterile flower
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i5 9400f and geforce 1660

dry pike
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should go fine enough together

sterile flower
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yeah and my friend that im playing with has a i7 7700 3.60hz with a gtx 1060 6gb and has the same problem

pale quartz
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because they are not up to spec with what the game requires

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nothing much you or them can do upgrade the hardware

dry pike
pale quartz
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it meets the minimum yeah, but it's not anywhere near the recommended specification

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minimum's just the criteria the game uses for a absolute minimum criteria, not something people should adhere to for optimal performance

dry pike
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Oh nono, but even though the hardware will struggle I still don't think the GFX card should do nothing

pale quartz
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9400f doesn't support hyperthreading and the 7700 is slower than that

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it will do nothing when your cores aren't up to spec to process things fast enough

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frostbite is heavily CPU dependent so if you don't meet the first the second doesn't follow

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and their ones arent even near what they need

dry pike
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I remember the CPU being quite a bit faster than the 6600K and thus should be able to push the GPU %age up

pale quartz
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6600k doesn't have hyperthreading, 9400f is 6, so there's no noticeable difference

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they are entirely thread bound before IPC even factors in

nocturne drift
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GG ddr4

quick locust
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?

nocturne drift
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Saw 2x16 hynix m die selling for 100

quick locust
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At least this has HT

nocturne drift
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8700k is goat.

sterile flower
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so i just need a pc from nasa to run 2042?

nocturne drift
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Should be no problem handling 2042

quick locust
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not exactly nasa 😛

pale quartz
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there's a 100% delta between those

sterile flower
quick locust
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yeah if only intel didnt take months to send out contest rewards

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oh well

pale quartz
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they release driver updates faster S_kek

nocturne drift
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U need a cpu 8th gen plus from intel, zen2 plus from amd, at least 2x8 ram 3200 cl16

pale quartz
nocturne drift
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Oh and at least 6 cores 12 threads

pale quartz
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6 generations nevermind years

sterile flower
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does overclocking my i5 help getting some extra fps?

nocturne drift
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Except 9700k

pale quartz
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nope

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gonna need new hardware

nocturne drift
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What's ur i5?

pale quartz
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he's got a 9400f

prime jasper
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Locked

sterile flower
pale quartz
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no they dont

nocturne drift
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Locked.

pale quartz
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a new board and processor is $300

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and it is infinitely better than what you've got now

sterile flower
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what do you recommend?

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and is that possible to install my self?

pale quartz
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yes

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13600k/$150 board or a 5700x and any AM4 b550+ board will do you fine

sterile flower
quick locust
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in conquest

pale quartz
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well you need a new card too

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Rx 6600xt or something

nocturne drift
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whats the best budget cpu rn? 5600/5600x?

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get that

sterile flower
pale quartz
sterile flower
pale quartz
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can't help with that I'm afraid, there's a variety of recommendations in here already

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I've given you 2 combinations and Mazda has done a 5600x

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there's guides online about decent combinations too

sterile flower
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i have the idea that pcs get old so fast

pale quartz
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5+ years isn't fast

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you got exceptional value out of what you paid for

sterile flower
pale quartz
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the hardware is nearly 7 years old

sterile flower
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dont know im not that technological XD

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01-07-2019 this is my order date ( in dutch )

quick locust
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yeah they're both from 2019

sterile flower
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games are so heavy today the day

pine anchor
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Where can i find 2xp tokens in the menu?

dry pike
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They enable automatically and only count down when you are in a game

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no regular tokens you can activate yourself

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if you talk 2042

naive patio
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Alright, I'm able to grab a 3090 24gb or a 4080 16gb for around the same price (4080 is cheaper by like 50$)... which should I grab?

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Actually the 4080 comes with a set of ddr4 ram with it too

naive patio
storm osprey
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5600 is about 160. Id get the 5700x

nocturne drift
storm osprey
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Which?

nocturne drift
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the first party ones

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5600/5600X was 130/150

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they popular popular

storm osprey
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Yea last I saw the 5600x was a lot cheaper. So either 5600 non x or 5700x. I’d still get the 5700x

nocturne drift
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yeah

toxic wigeon
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7000X3D EEEEE.

storm osprey
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Hot damn

molten flame
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7000X3D is fast

molten flame
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7950X3D and 7900X3D have just 1 V-cache chip

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One CCD is for V-cache and sees clockspeed penalty while other CCD is just regular Zen 4

nocturne drift
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that's fast?

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yeah looks like a good z790 with A die is it

molten flame
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7950X3D 9-24% faster than 13900K based on their own graph

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I think 7800X3D is faster than the 7950X3D tho

nocturne drift
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looks like my prediction will once again be true

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everytime lol

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hey but these processor is great

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0 tuning, basically max performance.

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its pretty good.

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not DoA like zen4

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also we should ban any graph with meme games like DOTA, CS GO

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I can push 1200 fps instead of 1000

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like bruh

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Y

molten flame
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Kinda weird that 3D cache now improves csgo performance even though 5800X3D was slower than 5800X in that game

nocturne drift
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I mean its a graph of 7800X 3D vs 5800X 3D

molten flame
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Tru

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I wanna see compared to regular Zen 4

nocturne drift
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I think amd dont wanna show that

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they still wanna sell zen 4 non 3D

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its a hard sell as is

molten flame
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They introduced non-X SKUs which seemed to have more showtime than 7000X3D did

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Cheaper CPUs doesn't matter when platform cost is still high

nocturne drift
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true, gaming rn is weird

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people with 5600X 12th gen etc are good for years

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they would need very powerful gpu to make it not gpu bottleneck

molten flame
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I'm on gimped ass Cezanne, Zen 3 with just half the cache

nocturne drift
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and gpu prices

molten flame
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Taking away half the cache of Zen 3 is like turning it into Zen 2

nocturne drift
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I upgraded my friend's 3900X to 5900X

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the lows difference is INSANE

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she went from 80s to 110s in D2 lows

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and this is with a bone stock gigabyte vision 3070 at 1440p no curve optimizer, trash azz 3200 cl16 samsung c die ram at xmp

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she got them trident royals cause it looks pretty. CursedCat

molten flame
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My friend just went from a 3600 to a 5800X3D lol

nocturne drift
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W

molten flame
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+50% performance basically

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Ryzen 1000 to 5800X3D is close to 100%

nocturne drift
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massive W

toxic wigeon
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Wonder how crazy the 9800x3d will be.

molten flame
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I think AMD will remove X3D from the naming at some point because V-cache will become a regular thing

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Wonder if they are still planning to use liquid nanotubes to help cool 3D designs and stack more than 2 chips

toxic wigeon
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This x3d series feels like a more meaningful variant of their XT Cpu's.

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If I had to guess yeah they would.

nocturne drift
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u are correct

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X3D was suppose to be zen2

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but was canceled

toxic wigeon
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Was it officially announced?

nocturne drift
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No

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Wait I am confused.

molten flame
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Zen 2 V-cache engineer samples were awful afaik

nocturne drift
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Why is the boost clock on the 7950/50X 3D much higher than 7800X 3D?

molten flame
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that's because only 1 CCD of the 7950X3D and 7900X3D have 3D cache while the other is just a regular CCD

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3D cache CCD has a max boost of 5.0 GHz

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on all SKUs

nocturne drift
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........

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Bruh

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💀💀💀

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Wtf

molten flame
nocturne drift
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💀

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This is jokes

molten flame
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Heard there is communication problem when both CCDs have 3D cache so they just put it on 1 CCD

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Idk how Milan-X works fine then

nocturne drift
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Maybe windows and amd work together and make a ccd director so when gaming it uses CCD 0 and make CCD 1 like the e cores of Intel?

molten flame
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Possibly

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Maybe games that just want high clockspeed can use the CCD without 3D

nocturne drift
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Now knowing amd, windows ain't gonna magically do that

molten flame
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AM5 can't beat 7-year-old AM4 socket in sales leo

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well almost 7 years

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👴

prime jasper
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Not looking good for radeon

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People will buy 4070 ti

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Not many will buy over 1k card

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4070 ti is only new card that is under 1000€ in europe

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7800xt will also be slower than it

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💀

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Unless amd starts dropping prices they will have really shitty sales again

molten flame
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AMD has a lot of room to lower prices

quick locust
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7900xt isnt super overpriced here

molten flame
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Nvidia really can't because they are using monolithic 4nm and investors don't like seeing Nvidia lower prices

quick locust
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Lol

prime jasper
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1300€ for 7900xt if you want AIB

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While 4070ti has 3 good models at 940€

errant cypress
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Are intel's new card any good? No one seems to talk about them

molten flame
nocturne drift
prime jasper
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really depens how much slower 7800xt is compared to 7900xt

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maybe it makes 7900xt totally not worth it

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its already little not worth it

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as xtx is noticeable faster

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might be one of the cards that gets forgotten

quick locust
prime jasper
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idk if they release 7800 xtx

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or just xt

quick locust
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/shrug

quick locust
prime jasper
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i'd suspect it land between 4070 ti and 3090 ti

molten flame
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imagine if Navi 31 was 4nm with 4nm MCDs

prime jasper
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it can't be slower than 3090ti because then its just renamed 6950xt

nocturne drift
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what is happening is amd and nvidia working together to normalize high gpu prices

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u think low desktop gpu sales will tank them? watch them focus on laptop gpu and charge $$$

molten flame
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4090 die is 47% larger than 4080

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damn

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4080Ti will probably be full AD103 with 80 SMs

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be cool if it were cut-down AD102 tho

nocturne drift
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my solution for the gpu pricing bs is now stick to 1080p 280hz. make a new pc with 13700k/z790/a die, move my 3090 to there. move my left over 2080ti strix to my current 10850k built later this year

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f the new gen

molten flame
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when is meteor-lake

nocturne drift
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this year or 2042

molten flame
nocturne drift
molten flame
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tsmc 4nm is at least 2x more expensive than samsung 8nm

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5nm is like $15,000-16,000 per wafer and 4nm is $17,000+

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3nm is $22,000

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the price usually depends on who is buying and how much they are buying

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I wonder what Apple thinks of TSMC letting Nvidia have a more advanced node than them troll

naive patio
prime jasper
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4070 ti is bit faster @ 1440p

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Better lows too

naive patio
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If the 7800xtx goes inbetween the 2 then it might be kinda shit?

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since the 7900xt is pretty much the same as 4070ti with some ups and some downs etc etc

prime jasper
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why would it land higher than that when there is literally few frames between those, would mean its equal to 7900xt

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you tripping

toxic wigeon
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4070ti is just a 3080.

toxic wigeon
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Meant to put in ti rip.

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Still though.

prime jasper
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its equal to 3090 ti 1440p

toxic wigeon
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I'm interested in the 4060.

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Ah.

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Ti.

prime jasper
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if no OC

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interesting to see where 7700xt and 7800xt land

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competition seems tough at that performance level

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3090ti would be better buy than 4070ti imo

midnight crypt
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maybe

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gotta look at performance per watt too

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to see whats worth it imo

naive patio
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4080 is arguably my choice for the best card of this generation

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from both parties

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maybe the 4060 can blow my mind

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Performance of the 3080ti at like 600$

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hopefully its 500$ but you know it's Nvidia

prime jasper
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7900 xtx is better

prime jasper
naive patio
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I can’t actually get a 3090 anywhere in Aus.

prime jasper
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not in retail

naive patio
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But I can grab a 4080 for 2000$

naive patio
toxic wigeon
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Oh yeah the 7900xtx is being scalped.

prime jasper
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sounds overpriced

naive patio
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That’s like 1300usd

toxic wigeon
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In scorptec you can get a 7900xtx for 1849 aud.

prime jasper
toxic wigeon
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I just remembered hearing the xtx being scalped but obviously it isn't so bad anymore.

naive patio
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I still don’t think FSR can hold up to dlss 3.0. Which is why the 4080 is a pretty solid buy imo

midnight crypt
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dlss 3 isn't even worth using though

toxic wigeon
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Dlss 3.0 has its issues.

midnight crypt
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it's like how dlss 1 was also shit

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released too early

toxic wigeon
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Doesn't it create false frames and adds input delay.

midnight crypt
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ye

naive patio
toxic wigeon
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It reduces power consumption which is nice but I wonder if they can work on it to not create such a negative effect.

naive patio
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Like obviously you wouldn’t use dlss on something like MW2 or 2042

toxic wigeon
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Don't think people would rather not deal with input delay no matter what.

midnight crypt
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even on singleplayer games it's not good enough

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the generated frames dont look right

toxic wigeon
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Would be cool if you could go into driver settings and make it use dlss 2.1 or 3.

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Whenever possible.

naive patio
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I mean I’d rather have a future proof card that gets the driver updates that fix dlss 3 than stick with my 3070. Even if that means I’m getting the 5060ti or whatever

pale quartz
#

DLSS3 introduces an inherit process into the buffer stack, it doesn't replace anything so input latency is a natural consequence

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it's also not cross compatible with 2.1, using 3 includes 2.1 features

toxic wigeon
#

So you can't use 2.1 on a 40 series card.

pale quartz
#

you can

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it's included with DLSS 3

toxic wigeon
#

Oh I mean.

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Blah.

pale quartz
#

DLSS3 is just the frame generation part of the stack, it can be switched off for games, when you switch it off you're using non-3 features (2.1 etc)

toxic wigeon
#

Thank fuck.

pale quartz
naive patio
pale quartz
#

that's way too early a call to make

naive patio
#

Unless I’m thinking of using an amd cpu, I won’t be getting an amd gpu.

pale quartz
#

that's your decision, but it's got nothing to do with the technologies

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FSR2 and DLSS2.1 are more or less indistinguishable in games that use them, so saying that one is better than the other is a fallacy

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they both have drawbacks and positives, FSR isn't an Nvidia exclusive technology and works on any GPU which is agnostic, it's more lightweight with its stack which means it's easier to incorporate into games than DLSS is aswell, DLSS is using a neural network so it's always going to have a better presentation in motion, etc etc

quick locust
#

XeSS supremacy

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jk

crimson meadow
#

lmaoo

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its actually pretty good tho, as a person who relies on upscalers to make games 60fps

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but i kinda like fsr more

swift moon
#

Can anyone help me? My game crashes when ever I want to enter a match or even start the game. Sometimes I am getting Direct X error codes. I tried to solve the problems for days now, including installing old drivers, updateing drivers, reinstalling the game, editing the profile settings safe file, reinstalling direct x, and changeing my machine guid. I will send some errorcodes I got during the process in this chat.

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An invalid parameter was passed to the returning function
Could not allocate sufficient memory to complete the call
The GPU will not respond to more commands
The video card has been physicaly removed.
Unspecified error```
dry pike
#

!!support Remember, this is not a support channel. That being said, cleaning drivers using DDU in safe mode when getting DirectX errors is always a good idea.

silent oasisBOT
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mild bough
#

what do i need to look after when buying a new mobo? I'm gonna upgrade my RAM but my mobo only supports up to 2133mhz

silent fog
#

I just bought an OLED TV, I hope it's balling and worth the upgrade

molten coral
#

Worth the money

#

I've an LG C1 and it's simply amazing

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I do wish I would have gotten a larger one

silent fog
#

I got a 55 inch because the 65 inch was another $1000 nearly

#

🥴

molten coral
#

I got an 48'' as it was only 799 and I didn't really had space for a 55 but like 5 months later I moved out on my own

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so now I've the space lol

silent fog
#

I have a 55 inch 4K Sony Bravia from 2020 I think and this new one is the A80J Sony OLED

molten flame
#

New cooler arrived

midnight crypt
#

tiny

silent fog
#

I have the NZXT Kraken Z63 (280 mm), I love it

coarse nimbus
#

Tiny cooler or huge thermal paste box? WoahThink

molten flame
#

cooler is 90x90x47mm

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smaller than Wraith Stealth stock cooler but better than Wraith Prism

coarse nimbus
#

Damnit man, I'm American, use normal measurements! LULW

#

What CPU is it going on?

molten flame
#

5600G

nocturne drift
#

As someone in USA, that is the normal measurement

#

imagine telling people my cpu temp is 176 degrees

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or I have a 4.72 inch fans

molten flame
#

wonder how Arctic MX-6 compares to NT-H2

nocturne drift
#

mx6 is really good

#

really thick as well, so less pump out

#

I am switching to it for my friend's build or other builds

dry pike
#

I like Noctua NT-H2, I know MX-6 should be just as good but as MX-5 had quality control issues I picked Noctua as I trust their quality more.

rough scarab
#

Liquid metal or bust BlushCat

candid flame
#

rtx4000 laptops coming next month

coarse nimbus
#

Do they come with a special tray you can put the laptop over to cook your eggs on? leo

nocturne drift
#

No, because 4000 is the most efficient gpu yet.

nocturne drift
nocturne drift
brave path
#

Any idea if razer blade 16/18 come with oled panel

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With configuration

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Like the 12th gen blade 15/17 come with 240hz oled

#

Barely seen that gaming laptop usually come with oled

#

Most likely a content creation will come with oled

quick locust
molten flame
turbid verge
quick locust
#

Meanwhile I still have a 26 inch tv

#

I rarely use a tv though

turbid verge
#

I do have my use for a TV mostly to watch sports in it

prime jasper
#

My g pro superlight left click feels busted

#

Lasted like 6 months CursedCat

cursive marten
#

:(

dry pike
short pawn
#

Haha jhonothan why are you charging your phone through your monitor

short pawn
dry pike
#

Been a while since I used Razer, currently it just seems expensive without reason to me

cursive marten
#

I've been hearing good things about the Deathadder V3 but I cannot afford a new mouse.

dry pike
#

I've heard good things about the Deathadders as well. But also that they break rather quickly.

prime jasper
#
cursive marten
#

I've been looking at the HyperX Pulsefire Haste, The Endgame Gear XM1r, and the Lamzu Alantis.

prime jasper
short pawn
prime jasper
#

Not noticeable

short pawn
#

depends on mouse and connection

prime jasper
#

not much

short pawn
#

also i dont really like replacing batteries

prime jasper
#

you charge the mouse lol

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guy living in 2001

short pawn
#

for me keeping it wired is better

cursive marten
#

Yeah, wireless mice are basically becoming the higher end standard, like, most serious people are running a wireless mouse at this point.

short pawn
#

no needing to worry bout anything batteries

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and no loosing it

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since its directly to pc

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and less mouse to screen lag

toxic wigeon
#

Wired still good.

short pawn
#

both are

prime jasper
#

you are literally talking about milliseconds that you cant notice

short pawn
#

wired is just a little more reliable

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wireless is for when you dont want wire clutter

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which is understandable

cursive marten
#

The Glorious Model O 2 looks good as well, and the wired version of that is $65. 🤔

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Wireless is $100, which is a bit eh considering i can get the Lamzu Alantis for $90

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if i can find it in stock.

prime jasper
short pawn
#

im using a logitech lightsync g203

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i just like not worring about battery life

#

and if i did get wireless i would just keep it connected by wire at all times anyway

cursive marten
#

I mean, the Model O 2 Wireless has a battery life of 210 hours.

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which is pretty good all things considered.

#

like that's a while.

short pawn
#

i still would choose wired for my own personal stuff

midnight crypt
#

i only have to charge my g903 that is wireless once a month

short pawn
#

wireless is fine but i dont think its work an extra 20-30 or so just for no wire

cursive marten
#

yeah

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the main barrier is price rn because most decent wireless mice are over $100

#

except for the Lamzu Alantis, but that's sold out 95% of the time

prime jasper
#

The wireless part is just to make the mouse better when you are moving it. You still use wire to get the dongle close for minimum delay

short pawn
cursive marten
#

Would you recommend the G Pro, by the way? @prime jasper

prime jasper
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not at full price

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if you get it from sale its one of the best

cursive marten
#

I see. For some reason the G Pro is the only decent wireless mouse i can find in stores locally.

short pawn
#

when did microsoft remove video editor

#

im forced into clipclamp now

cursive marten
#

maybe the Deathadder v3 is around here somewhere but frankly i've not seen it. I've just seen the G Pro and wired Pulsefire Hastes.

#

Honestly i may just grab the Pulsefire Haste when i can, i've heard it's basically the best mouse HyperX has ever made.

quick locust
#

I just use a thing to hold mouse cable up

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Bungee

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Works decently

dry pike
#

got myself a cheap Logitech G502 lightspeed as prices dropped drastically as the new version came out

turbid verge
#

used to have the g403 which was wired

#

the fact a mouse with no wire is much more freedom of movement when playing

prime jasper
#

yeah sadly this has not the best switches

#

also the hero sensor need to be cleaned often if there is dust as you can feel it become sluggish when you aim, it also spins out easily if there is dust particles

pale quartz
prime jasper
#

the mouse seems to collect more dust than others for some reason

#

better have compressed air close

pale quartz
#

you dont need compressed air to clean a mouse lol

prime jasper
#

climate could be factor tho as everything builds static here

#

easy to dust off the sensor

#

you shouldnt use anything you can poke it with

toxic wigeon
#

Yo beans got the G203 too.

prime jasper
#

xtrfy m8 compared to superlight

ivory creek
#

apparently acer is releasing a desk with a built in cycle

#

kinda cool idea

pale quartz
#

nothing like vanity projects after all

toxic wigeon
#

What's up with 2042 running like shit despite higher tiered hardware? Could it be drivers or what?

nocturne drift
#

Did you turn on rtx?

#

It's running fine for a long time.

#

8700k was running fine for me

#

I was using 3733 cl14 tuned bdie but it's 2x8 single rank

prime jasper
#

hey

#

i5 3470 gtx 1050 ti 16gb ram bf1 what is average fps online

midnight crypt
#

literally just use google

ivory creek
#

way are you running the latest nvidia drivers from yesterday? now im abit afraid to update lol

#

and damn 3733 cl 14 is like the dream match with my ryzen cpu

#

but ill settle with 3600 cl 16

toxic wigeon
#

I'm fine.

#

The game is running extremely well it's just some people running 3080tis with 12900s going through hell.

#

@ivory creek Nah.

ivory creek
#

well i dont wanna have to go through the trouble of uninstalling the drivers in failsafe with ddu

#

im abit too lazy for that

#

lol

toxic wigeon
#

I had to do that.

#

For my dp.

#

And some how my computer runs a little better as a result?

nocturne drift
#

💀

ivory creek
#

i read somewhere that 3733 is about the best u can get with the infinity fabric or what its called

#

and that combined with a low cl of 14

#

very nice

nocturne drift
#

Yeah for zen2/zen3

errant cypress
#

Does freesync/gsync work with hdmi 2.1? Because I can't find any gsync settings in nvidia panel, maybe I need to get displayport.

midnight crypt
#

yep

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you need displayport

prime jasper
#

VRR works with HDMI tho

#

but if you are using monitor its best to just use DP anyways

small zinc
#

7900x3d is going to utterly spank Raptor Lake

#

Lol

turbid verge
prime jasper
#

Technology now adays kids be someting else

nocturne drift
#

7900X3D is gonna spank nothing. @small zinc

#

Actually that specific model is a disgrace of a cpu

#

6 cores with V cache and 6 cores without V cache. Wtf?

#

Yeah windows scheduler is gonna have a field day with that.

#

They gonna use ccd1 like ecores when gaming?

#

What an absolute joke

#

7800X 3D is the only one that makes sense.

#

I am glad youtuber who actually test and tune both platforms are calling amd out already

prime jasper
#

I think the 7800x3d will have to be price competitive though

#

Since you could get a b760/13700kf with ddr4 which I assume would have lower platform cost

nocturne drift
#

I think 7800X 3D will be fine. It will prob beat stock 13700k/13900k with xmp 6000 ram in gaming. But yes price is a thing

#

Also it will be power efficient too

#

Although idk about real life efficiency as tested zen4 draws more power than intel 13th gen counter part due to higher idle power etc. Measured in both program and from the wall.

#

But with lower clock speed I think it will beat intel period in that department

prime jasper
#

I think those concerned about power will enable eco mode or an artificial PL for intel

errant cypress
toxic wigeon
#

Dx12 saves the cache in the gpu allowing for a smoother experience.

#

If I'm correct.

small zinc
#

It’s really a matter of preference of HDR. Dolby Vision is really just a proprietary version of HDR10+ developed specifically by Dolby. It does have better tone mapping but generally speaking I think less overall supported content than HDR10/10+.

ivory creek
#

my monitor got a fake hdr that only make stuff look weird

#

yet they sell it as a hdr monitor in the commercials

#

should be illegal

pale quartz
ivory creek
#

it get in weird gray scales and looks washed out

pale quartz
#

HDR has different certifications, 400, 600 and 1000 depending on the luminosity, yours will be 400

ivory creek
#

i dont think its even 400

#

other people have also called my monitor a scam hdr

pale quartz
#

gotta pay more attention when looking at the number then lol

ivory creek
#

i only got it for the 4k tho

#

the hdr would only have been a bonus

#

lol

small zinc
#

HDR > resolution

#

I have the Alienware 34” 3440*1440 OLED monitor, and it shits on any 4K display with the exception of an OLED tv. LG C2 to be more specific

#

Not even remotely close

#

Ever since I went OLED, there isn’t going back

pale quartz
#

OLEDs just strictly better than anything LCD can do

#

microLED is dead aswell so meh

quick locust
#

Too bad it's $$$$

ivory creek
#

the new lightway protocol at expressvpn takes like a splitsecond to activate instead of maybe 20seconds

#

huge difference

#

i get better speeds from lightway aswell

#

so it might be something

ivory creek
#

and according to snowden they sell their info to nsa

#

does that mean nsa is protecting me?

#

lol

pale quartz
#

all public VPNs will disclose their traffic to the NSA in some form, they're legally obligated to if requested

#

isnt that surprising, has been happening for years

ivory creek
#

ye

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usa the superpower

#

can do whatever they like

#

what got to me was an article describing that denmark helped usa spy on some swedish officials

#

i thought denmark was on our side

#

trust broken

dry pike
#

I assume USA helps lots of countries with their security and get access to data running through the countries in return. Denmark is nothing special - due to the otherwise open nature of Denmark it was just made public.

dry pike
#

adjusts the resolution and the ui scale 😄

nocturne drift
#

So I got a 2080ti 9700k pc for 600 usd now idk wtf to do with it

ivory creek
#

donate it to some foundation

nocturne drift
#

Hmmm

errant cypress
#

What do you all do with your old pc's? Donate them or sell? I doubt resell value would be much for a pc.

nocturne drift
#

Well I sold my 970 for 140 in the pandemic days

#

Sold 16gb of ddr3 of ram for 30 bucks cause he doing a server

#

The rest I went to e waste and yeah

#

I kept the delided 4690k as a show piece and kept the storage just in case.

toxic wigeon
#

Looking at my PC, Building PC's doesn't seem super annoying.

#

Asides from getting the CPU done.

nocturne drift
#

Things I hate the most are ram overclocking, case to mobo control wires, cpu power cable to mobo when it's more than just 8pin, front mount 360mm aio alignment. In that order

toxic wigeon
#

I'm always fearing the worst.

#

Which will only technically happen if I try to smack anything with the monkey wrench so I shouldn't stress.

#

Honestly I'm looking at to tune my 3080 so it runs a bit better without any wastage.

quick locust
quick locust
#

Rest of build doesnt annoy me at all

midnight crypt
#

probably would be better off buying a 40xx card instead

#

cause 30xx is very power hungry

dry pike
#

Nvidia been upping the power for lots of generations now. 30xx cards just continued the trend.

pale quartz
dense urchin
#

yeah

dry pike
#

Depends, do you want more frames or less inputlag

toxic wigeon
#

Hey, My friend installed a second SSD, Now the PC isn't booting properly and is asking for a boot drive, Even though the priority bracket has been set.

#

Even though the original boot drive is in, Removing the new one yields no fruit either.

lofty light
#

Did they bump the cable for the boot drive?

toxic wigeon
#

I'll ask.

#

Think he's on a b550 board?

lofty light
#

I'd definitely reseat the sata cables for the boot drive, or reseat it if it's an M2

toxic wigeon
#

Yeah.

errant cypress
molten flame
#

Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs have lower Tjmax temperature of 89C

#

5800X3D is 90C

pale quartz
midnight crypt
#

a whopping 1c

#

incredible

turbid verge
#

anyone around here who's sorta of a audiophile? Hmm

#

and has interest in headphones etc

prime jasper
#

i don't consider myself and audiophile but i do appreciate quality sound

#

just bought AKG K371 just minutes ago lol

#

i already had audio technica mx50 and some sennheiser similar range but sold those

#

gonna have to yeet my spotify for tidal or amazon music HD tho

#

spotify doesn't have the best quality

pale quartz
#

though if you're after headphone specifications 24 bit 44khz 40mm drivers are your defacto standard

turbid verge
#

nah just wondering about it

#

was looking around for a good set of bluetooth headphones for work that are good

pale quartz
#

iPhone or?

turbid verge
#

At home I already have a good setup and gonna improve it with a amplifier that is pure analog

#

@pale quartz usually for work means work with the PC I use already

#

but yeh I guess I can use with phone and my personal laptop too

#

nothing to expensive lmao

#

I saw the Bose Comfort quiet 45 at like 180€ and I cried because thats a bargain for those headphones

pale quartz
#

er it's a bit more complex than the specifications of the headphones themselves once you're involving Bluetooth, first thing is make sure your Bluetooth NIC actually supports the high quality codecs (LDAC/APTx HD)

turbid verge
#

the bluetooth part is due to mobility

pale quartz
#

because if you buy them and your board doesn't support the codecs it's useless

turbid verge
#

its for travel/work

#

eh I mean I guess

#

been looking at sennheiser or audio technica see what they offer

#

although not worth going for something that premium tbh

pale quartz
#

do not look at headphones first until you know what your pc actually supports

#

headphones do not support every Bluetooth codec, and some not at all

turbid verge
#

that I prefer the ones I have at home, where they're analog

#

ehm I work in Linux pepe_awkward

#

and the PC itself is more powerful for my type of work not really for audio LUL

pale quartz
#

same idea it's not windows exclusive

#

Linux only supports the driver API calls for the codecs, the NIC codecs are proprietary

turbid verge
#

rn I use my earbuds at work but with long time periods at work kinda uncomfortable using them

pale quartz
#

find out the board then what Bluetooth receiver it's using then search for its specification, it'll list what codecs it can transmit

turbid verge
#

ah Iam using one I had at home

#

the bluetooth 5.0 BT500 from Asus

#

had it around and the PC which is a desktop doesnt have bluetooth LUL

#

although no clue on the rest, at this point Iam just gonna spend 100€ on some sennheiser or audio technica and go with it for mobility, while invest more on my home setup

pale quartz
#

your receiver supports APTx you're in the clear

turbid verge
#

was thinking on getting the XLR mini for my home setup

#

although my mic is still a snowball I bought like years ago and its USB sadKek

#

might be time to change to a pure analog mic too

pale quartz
#

XLR and USB have no measurable results difference, they're just interfaces

#

they convert fine between each interface aswell

turbid verge
#

ah, then should be fine I guess although since I got an already analog headphones at home, with the XLR idk if I'll notice much difference

#

since I would say its more down to the PC audio DAC?

pale quartz
#

correct, if you switch to XLR you aren't going to see any difference

turbid verge
#

so would be more interesting to get a better Audio DAC first

#

then actually go for the XLR for audio management

pale quartz
#

the DAC is the primary part responsible for stuff like audio attenuation etc, only way XLR or USB come into play is if you're bandwidth starved, for some bizarre reason

turbid verge
#

yeh thats what I had in mind

#

although the one that comes with most mobos isnt the best imo

pale quartz
#

it depends on the board mostly, if it's cheap then yeah it'll be subpar

turbid verge
#

its an old one tbh

pale quartz
#

b550 etc

turbid verge
#

yeh mine is sorta old

#

still using my 8700k LUL

pale quartz
#

rip

turbid verge
#

Iam using the Z370 Tomahawk from MSI

#

the sound is fine in general from it, but if I want it to be interesting wouldnt mind get a sound card PB_peepo_evil

#

just got know what to get tbh

#

@pale quartz other than that is if the XLR or other type of DAC can be done externally through USB-C or USB

#

which Idk if the XLR even does that lol

pale quartz
#

the DAC takes up a shit load of bandwidth for processing is what you need to consider, so if you've got a lot of connections already you'll likely encounter instability with audio hitching/static etc

turbid verge
#

@pale quartz also found Schiit makes some good quality DAC and Amp for PC

#

The magni plus and Modi plus look interesting

turbid verge
turbid verge
#

@pale quartz also funny enough I have seen recommendations be the apple DAC. USB-C to 3.5mm

#

apparently that DAC on PC is insane good for its price compared to most DAC that arent over 100$

prime jasper
#

what apple dac

#

never heard

turbid verge
turbid verge
#

or does the job compared to like 100$ DAC's LUL

prime jasper
#

how does it differ from basic usb-c to 3.5mm

#

like the one i bought from local store for 3 euros so i can use default headphones with my phone

pale quartz
#

allows for audio passthrough

prime jasper
#

doesn't the basic adaptor need one too to function tho

pale quartz
#

a DAC isnt required for the base adapter to work

#

for (certain) adapters, the 3.5mm route is an exclusive chain through it, the apple one has it all routed through the main DAC

prime jasper
molten flame
#

they all got stock coolers

prime jasper
#

7600 has wraith stealth

#

7700 and 7900 wraith prism

#

wraith stealth is dogshit

#

prism is far better

nocturne drift
#

Now these are good value

prime jasper
#

7700 with PBO seems like good deal

nocturne drift
#

The cooler tho.

prime jasper
#

as it comes with prism you'll be fine with

nocturne drift
#

No need to buy at least an ak620 or smth to cool the cpu

prime jasper
#

7600 isn't that good value as the stealth cooler is a joke

#

13400f is probably a better deal than the 7600 I'd imagine

#

But I don't think it's available in all regions yet

nocturne drift
#

I sold the 2080ti pc for 750

#

So now I have 150 to buy stuff for my friend.

#

I am thinking buying some table tennis stuff for my friend.

prime jasper
molten flame
#

i have a cooler that's smaller than wraith stealth but cools better than the prism

#

also quieter than both

prime jasper
#

It probably doesn't

#

It do come with one

#

Not sure which one

#

I dont really see any good benchmarks for it tho

#

Since it's alder lake refresh it will be like the 12600k

#

minus the overlocking and igpu

#

wdym alder lake refresh

pale quartz
prime jasper
#

intel trying to scam me

#

not buying one anyway but meh

pale quartz
prime jasper
#

thats fucked

#

would think 13600 is same chip as 13600k/f

molten flame
#

13500 and 13600 has 4 more E-cores than 12600K

pale quartz
#

lol use them for discord scrolling

molten flame
#

14th gen capped to 6 P-cores at launch

quick locust
#
#

Msi afterburner and evga precision gone

nocturne drift
molten flame
#

6 gaming cores and 6 high speed cores

#

7800X3D gonna be the best 3D for gaming imo

small zinc
#

Well. If anyone is wanting RTX 4090's.

#

They're getting restocked as we speak right now on Newegg

#

I've been able to snag one myself. I didn't purchase, because I have a 4090 PC on the way, but little public service announcement. Big re-stock right now

#

For those who don't already have sex with their keyboards, phone apps, and browser windows open hitting refresh literally all day.

storm osprey
#

fuck yea lamzu mini announced

prime jasper
#

idk why amd ditched wraith spire cooler, it would be better for this

#

as ryzen 7 and 9 only gets prism

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these were the coolers

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max is prism idk why its calle max here

pale quartz
cloud copper
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AMD coolers look nice imo

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intel

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idk why they havent updated that design

pale quartz
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they did..

cloud copper
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intel??

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i must see this

ivory creek
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deco i bought the microsoft hevc codex to make sure that wasnt the case i didnt get uhd from prime video cuz the free one couldve been outdated. but no still no uhd on pc

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rip

pale quartz
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..

molten flame
mystic flax
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Can a lot of uninstall games take up storage more? I have epic games with a bunch of games I got for free and I feel like it's responsible for my lack of space in my 2 TB hard drive

molten flame
pastel notch
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Yous guys seems reasonables how do i use the stats?

quick locust
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Which ones

quick locust
mystic flax
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Hmm

quick locust
nocturne drift
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They ain't wrong lol

molten flame
dry pike
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they have a towering pillar for sale in the MSI store?

pale quartz
short pawn
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Aright somethings up with my pc

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The cpu led debug light is on

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None of the rgbs are on

Gpu, cpu and intergrated case fan arnt spinning

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The extrernal top and side fans are spinning tho

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The pc just stopped mid game

short pawn
dry pike
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Weird thing to trigger the cpu debug LED but I've heard weirder

turbid verge
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although might just shove the Apple DAC then get a schiit AMP

short pawn
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How active is AOC these days

prime jasper
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lol do not buy the zen air dac it has audio delay

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In this video I check out the ifi ZEN Air DAC and talk about the pros and cons of this device.

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00:00 Intro
00:24 Hardware Overview
01:59 Cable Situation
02:24 Volume Dial
03:36 Output Performance
04:03 Aliasing with Firmware 7.4
04:32 Audio Lag Issue with Firmware 7.4
05:...

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might be fixed with firmware but can't find anything about it

turbid verge
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anyways quick question

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anyone got the Airpods Pro gen 2?

mystic flax
pale quartz
molten flame
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NVIDIA has reference design for RTX 4070 and possibly RTX 4060 Ti as well YouTuber RedGamingTech shared exclusive photos of box for yet unannounced RTX 4070 box. While there was no card inside, it confirms that NVIDIA might once again offer their design alongside board partners.  NVIDIA RTX 4070 Founders Edition box, Source: Own The […]

toxic wigeon
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Hey how do I invert my mouse?

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I'm playing a game and it doesn't have an invert mouse option. :|

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I remember doing it some years ago but I can't do it anymore.

midnight crypt
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should be able to find it in windows settings somewhere

molten flame
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Seems like Adrenalin driver 22.11.2 might be to blame

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Nearly all the dead cards were using that version

prime jasper
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bruh

pale quartz
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misinformation is a travesty, the core was cracked, it isn't a driver issue

prime jasper
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Yeah sounds like an issue that would happen no matter the driver

toxic wigeon
molten flame
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Stuff like this is why I stick with the same driver for 6+ months

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RX 6800/6900 has been out for 25 months and this problem is now appearing, has to be from a driver imo

pale quartz
molten flame
small zinc
molten flame
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Yeah but that problem was just user error

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Gotta firmly press in the 12-pin and make sure it clicks

small zinc
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There’s a reason why these content creators such as Buildzoid, GN, Jayz, Hardware Unboxed fall under “yellow journalism”. It’s for the clicks, and sensationalism rather than factual

pale quartz
ivory creek
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is there any difference between 59.997hz and 60hz? i can pick between them both in windows settings but games limit me to 59.997

pale quartz
ivory creek
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thanks

nocturne drift
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Also buildzoid?

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Those two are not lol

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Buildzoid is a capital G

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GN called out newegg, found out the 12pin issue by themselves

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And kept alot of companies in check.

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Oh and gigabyte Psu

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Buildzoid found out the problem of the Asus mobo capacitor backward before anyone.

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Jayztwocents is a joke/meme

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Same as hub

prime jasper
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What's bad about hardware unboxed

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most of their content seems pretty impartial to me

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nothing

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they put shit ton of time to make benchmarks on scale that you don't often see

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like testing 50+ gpu's on one game etc

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and the monitor reviews are good too

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reason i even got to know about msi optix when searching for new monitor that has really low response times on all scenarios

nocturne drift
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Monitor reviews are excellent

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But some of their pc advice and testing is not accurate

prime jasper
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also the more benchmarks there is the easier it is to compare

nocturne drift
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Not all the time but they messed up a couple.

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And Steve got an ego problem.

pale quartz
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that's a far cry from calling them a meme equivalent to J2C lol

prime jasper
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well i don't really look into one persons personality when making opinion on reviewers

nocturne drift
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Nope. Steve from HUB denialed his mistake and doubled down and personally attacked smaller youtubers and even make fun of their views etc

prime jasper
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im sure lot of them has big ego

pale quartz
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denied what mistake

nocturne drift
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It's a long time ago haha

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Don't bother bringing that up again.

pale quartz
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should probably let it go if it was that long ago then

nocturne drift
pale quartz
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because they're absolutely not on the same level as jayz2cents

nocturne drift
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No one is

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Jayz is actually clueless.