not in new games anyways
#technology
pale quartz
brave path
Then what refresh rate would it be
Cuz it gonna be hard time looking for a right monitor
pale quartz
lower than 240, no exact number, too game dependent
for the target framerate you're after just go top of the line there's little point going lower with the insane prices of nvidias cards anyways
the 4080 is a ripoff so just pay the extra and get the 4090
brave path
Then what is the cheapest 4090 brand the rog gpu is the most expensive
brave path
Inno3d gpu
pale quartz
unless you want to risk burning your house down that is
brave path
So the quality for 4090 brand are different?
pale quartz
materially different yes, has always been for all cards
different specifications different design targets what not
your PSU isn't an ATX 3.0 spec meaning you'll need to use the adaptor to power the 4090, and it's not safe for use on compromised 4090's
either get a new PSU and budget out on the 4090 or get a more expensive variant
brave path
Damm then what do u prefer msi gaming x tro or Aorus
brave path
And PSU 850w is it good enough or do I need 1000w
brave path
I check the 4090 spec it say recommend psu is 850w
pale quartz
that's for the founders card, you aren't getting that so it doesn't apply
nocturne drift
What game are you trying to push 360hz lol
No cpu can do that unless it's eposrts titles lol
If you say overwatch then sure. Ez money
Warzone, maybe, unlikely
Bf2042. In ur dreams
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Apex has an engine cap of 300
molten flame
240Hz should be the limit
nocturne drift
I am trying to bid on this 7980xe+evga dark+4x8 4133 gskill ram, I think the highest I will go is 450
I feel like I am gonna lose badly
prime jasper
Should i trade my 2080 super for a 6700xt
Someoneās offering
They wanna āswitch sides to nvidiaā
eager zenith
you'll loose dlss
nocturne drift
Should i trade my 2080 super for a 6700xt
I mean 2080 super is almost a 3060ti
6700xt is abit faster than 2080 super
Not much.
Basically not worth the hassle
eager zenith
from my experience amd proprietary software is also worse
nocturne drift
<@1022544403962798090> 6700xt and 100$?
oh u get 100 bucks on top?
I think that is pretty good
so u planning to sell the 6700xt as well?
I see 6700xt going for about 300
2080 super is the same slightly lower?
prime jasper
But if it doesnāt sell
Iām left with no money
My plan is to upgrade to a 3080
With the 309
300
Thereās a few i found for 500
And i only spent 240 on this 2080
nocturne drift
It all depend on the luck I think.
If it doesn't sell u still can game with 6700xt and another 100 bucks.
nocturne drift
And i only spent 240 on this 2080
That's about what I would pay for a 2080 super tbh
But I live in a major US city with Microcenter
prime jasper
I need a 3080 tho
nocturne drift
well then good luck haha
toxic wigeon
Minimum size USB for updating BIOS?
molten flame
4GB iirc
nocturne drift
Bios is what under 20mb?
toxic wigeon
I think it's best just going to the computer shop and having them install the CPU cause I don't have any thermal paste on hand anyways HAHA.
toxic wigeon
It won't cost much.
I know that.
The Network PCIE won't cost anything, The CPU maybe? I'll have to ask tomorrow.
molten flame
pale quartz
Minimum size USB for updating BIOS?
UEFI firmware doesn't have a minimum size requirement, as long as the ROM file fits on the stick it'll work
toxic wigeon
Fair.
pale quartz
only thing you need to consider is what partioning scheme (FAT/NTFS) the bios supports for flashing
toxic wigeon
I wish I could get a bunch of free hardware and just practice building with my own hands.
toxic wigeon
That's true but it's more around the lines of not fucking up.,
Cause this shit is pricey.
pale quartz
it's pretty hard to get something catastrophically wrong that it's not recoverable
parts are designed with user tolerance in mind, even dropping a processor isn't going to damage it
toxic wigeon
Yeah true I'm just overthinking those pins.
quick locust
Meanwhile my 2080 shorting immediately between pin 13 and 14 if i remember
pale quartz
Meanwhile my 2080 shorting immediately between pin 13 and 14 if i remember
the geforce experience
quick locust
Nice
pale quartz
one thing about these reviews, take them with caution, the driver being used is the pre-release n31 driver, so things may change
ivory creek
do i have a trojan or something... often when i logon to my prime video account i get fake emails claiming all kinds of stupid stuff about my amazon prime account
molten flame
small zinc
So. The 7900XTX is better than the 4080 in every aspect except raytracing. Nobody cares about that anyway. Rasterization is better at all resolutions. About 20-30% slower than a 4090 for 60% less price. I'd say AMD has a much better GPU on their hands than Nvidia right now. The 4090 is still going to be the performance crown for now, however the 4080 won't be able to sustain its pricing at all. Both the 4080 and 4070 Ti are kind of dead on arrival. Hell, even the shelves full of them at Microcenter prove that along with eBay scalpers having to return them.
In no way shape or form is the 4080 sustainable at its pricing.
prime jasper
do amd cards have issues with Vr?
or like are they not as optimized as nvidia cards
molten flame
do amd cards have issues with Vr?
RTX 4090 can't even fully make use of the best VR headsets (dual 6K screens) because of DisplayPort 1.4a
prime jasper
Then what can? how do they even run it
small zinc
do amd cards have issues with Vr?
Not typically. VR is nothing more than foveated stereo rendering essentially meaning VR is rendering two monitors (one for each eye). It's still rasterization performance, so AMD is going to be just fine for that. Of course you'd still like a higher end GPU for that, however even RDNA 2 GPU's are just fine for that.
small zinc
Yea im looking at a 6700xt
That's more than fine for most VR headsets. Even higher quality headsets like the Steam Index
prime jasper
Really? im tryna play at max settings
Mfs told me a 3080 wasnāt even enough for max output of the pico 4
small zinc
6700xt isn't going to be a HUGE improvement over the 2080 Super. Based on new hardware releases, i'd look at a 6800xt or even 6900xt if you can spring for it. 6900xt's are going for less than $700 right now
small zinc
Mfs told me a 3080 wasnāt even enough for max output of the pico 4
I don't know too much about that particular headset. However looking at its specs, it looks like fairly high resolution. 4K/eye (2160x2160). I'd go with a 6900xt/3080 at a minimum to get consistent framerates so you don't get motion sickness. Anything over 60 is obviously recommended for VR so you don't get that.
The higher the better.
6700xt can do it. But you are likely going to have to turn down settings quite a bit.
prime jasper
Damn
I donāt get motion sickness itās aightš
But fuck
3080 this 6900xt that all i hear is big fucking numbers and more money god damnš
thanks tho
small zinc
Well that's good then. I'd skip the trade if I were you. While 6700xt is a great Midgrade GPU, it isn't a terribly huge upgrade from a 2080 Super. That's my two pennies though. Depending on your budget, I'd spring for Ampere or RDNA 2 since prices are super low on them currently.
Absolutely nothing wrong with AMD when it comes to VR though.
prime jasper
Why not trade?
10% increase in performance is still worth it dont u think
Heās gonna add 100$ on top
So itās like
small zinc
I mean, I guess if its free. Go for it. Straight up trade. Why is your buddy wanting a lower tier GPU
Why is he downgrading and an extra $100?
prime jasper
I have no clue my theory is that the card is just fucked.. he used userbenchmarks which is like the worst place for gpu benchmarks told me the 2080 was 15% faster
small zinc
Hell, you could take that $100, and the 6700xt, sell it on Ebay. They're going for $300 ish right now. That's $400 in your pocket, and get yourself a 6900xt or RTX 3080 for $300 dollars
prime jasper
But i mean iām not stupid either iām gonna test it so if he wastes his time thatās on him
Aight bet
I was selling my gpu for 300 anyways
small zinc
Get that extra $100.
Buying a 3080 or 6900xt for $300 more dollars only. Win
lol
Leaps and bounds big improvements over both GPU's
prime jasper
But you think i shouldnāt if he changes his mind bout the 100
Yea bro i got some 500$ 3080ās lined up for when i sell this shitš
small zinc
If he changes his mind, I'd be cautious. Sounds a little shady to me in all honesty.
prime jasper
Aight
small zinc
Based only on what you're telling me, I think he's trying to scam you.
prime jasper
Iāve had goodluck with people locally so far i hope it aināt a scamš
Aight
The reason i say user benchmark was a bad place to refrence is bc if you look at any fps benchmark 6700xt has got a lead over the 2080 super
Like no way bro didnāt search it up
small zinc
Check out the deal at a minimum. If it looks like a scam, or you can smell it when you meetup, then just pass on it. Throw your 2080 Super up on Ebay instead. Either way, you're going to be able to get a significantly better GPU for not much more.
prime jasper
So heās after something
Yea
He told me he wanted to āswitch sides to nvidiaāš
small zinc
I personally think he's got a busted GPU, and just trying to dump it.
What it sounds like to me.
Anyone who knows anything about GPU's wouldn't go from a 6700xt, throw in $100 and trade down for a 2080 Super.
prime jasper
Aight iām gonna take out my gpu and throw in his if we do this
small zinc
Just seems fishy
pale quartz
So. The 7900XTX is better than the 4080 in every aspect except raytracing. Nobod...
do note it does beat the 4080 but it can lose in some heavy titles (e.g. forza)
small zinc
do note it does beat the 4080 but it can lose in some heavy titles (e.g. forza)
Sure. Both GPU's have games that favor each other. Hell Assassins Creed the 7900xtx damn near matches a 4090
Same with Borderlands 3
nocturne drift
I hope amd have some better performing gpu later.
This gen besides pricing is a rip
small zinc
I hope amd have some better performing gpu later.
The inevitable 7950xtx will be out later
nocturne drift
I hope.
pale quartz
The reason i say user benchmark was a bad place to refrence is bc if you look at...
more relevant numbers
nocturne drift
Cause Nvidia will have 4080ti
And I hope amd get their driver together. Wth are those lows.
small zinc
We can expect AMD's 7800 X3D CPU which will likely spank the fuck out of the 13900k. And reasonably expect a 7950xt/xtx to compete more with the 4090
pale quartz
theres some scaling issues with RDNA3 right now, wont be a full n31 die till theyre resolved
clock bugged it seems like common RDNA issue at launch
nocturne drift
We can expect AMD's 7800 X3D CPU which will likely spank the fuck out of the 139...
Very optimistic. I don't think 7800 X3D will spank 13900k but we will see
small zinc
Very optimistic. I don't think 7800 X3D will spank 13900k but we will see
Why not? The 5800x3d spanked the 12900k easily.
By quite a bit
pale quartz
13900k has 32MB of L2
nocturne drift
5800x3d ties a tuned 12600k. With ddr4 bdie
pale quartz
wont be the same margins
nocturne drift
Yep
small zinc
5800x3d is still one of the most top rated gaming GPU's
nocturne drift
I know.
pale quartz
likely be a tie i think with the 7800x3d/13900k, 7900x3d will beat it
game dependent where l3 matters*
small zinc
It might not have the same workload performance as a 12900/13900k, but it does very well in gaming.
nocturne drift
I think it's gonna be the same story again. Beats 13900k/13700k. Loses/ties when 13900k and 13700k are tuned.
But maybe it will win
small zinc
"Tuned" = 5Ghz+. Intel has to insanely overclock their CPU's to match AMD
That's not very efficient.
pale quartz
hold most thoughts until the 7950x3d launches
nocturne drift
prime jasper
Why
nocturne drift
@prime jasper dude just go into ur vr with ur current setup lol
pale quartz
VR acceleration hasnt changed in 2 generations
prime jasper
š
pale quartz
there isnt a point to benchmarking the games
prime jasper
Fuck no
small zinc
Problem with Intel is that they've essentially maxed out their architecture. They just now went to 10/7nm. Basically reverse engineered while Apple and AMD are both on 5nm. Intel can't squeeze out anymore performance on their current arch. As much as I hate to admit it, AMD is kind of winning since Zen 2.
prime jasper
I need more fps
pale quartz
intel 10nm isnt reverse engineered
nocturne drift
Problem with Intel is that they've essentially maxed out their architecture. The...
Tsmc wins. Yep
pale quartz
it already existed
small zinc
intel 10nm isnt reverse engineered
It absolutely is.
pale quartz
ice lake was supposed to be 10nm, it was changed because of defect issues
but the node has been around for a while
small zinc
Intel's Rocket Lake was actually 14nm
pale quartz
they are still losing to TSMC, but its not true to say its reverse engineered
small zinc
Reverse engineered 10nm
pale quartz
Intel's Rocket Lake was actually 14nm
also built on 10nm
pale quartz
yes, it was
small zinc
It was 14
nocturne drift
Gaming wise zen2 is a joke. Zen3 is great. Ties with intel till alderlake, zen3d is a game changer. Zen4 is mid af
pale quartz
thats why the power draw sucks
pale quartz
meant RKL, acronym typo
small zinc
The point being is that Raptor Lake isn't anywhere close to the efficiency of Zen 3
nocturne drift
You mean rocket lake?
small zinc
Intel needs to get onboard the smaller transistor node
small zinc
Still 14nm to achieve their higher frequncy
not sure what you're not understanding about that.
I can read too
š
nocturne drift
People can undervolt alderlake to beat stock zen3 in efficiency. Also match zen4 stock efficiency
pale quartz
thats why RKL has no 10 core part
pale quartz
..
nocturne drift
Plenty people did it already in oc discord
pale quartz
People can undervolt alderlake to beat stock zen3 in efficiency. Also match zen4...
isnt too surprising, zen has always been conservative with its target voltage
they try to go low theres a much higher chance of errors
nocturne drift
Nah it's cause amd didn't hold back on power draw/vf curve on zen4
small zinc
Intel couldn't achieve the performance they do without their overclocks
let's be honest
toxic wigeon
Is ice lake gen 15?
nocturne drift
Tryna boost as high as possible
pale quartz
Is ice lake gen 15?
ICL is server
toxic wigeon
Oh I read it wrong then.
nocturne drift
Undervolted zen4 efficiency is nuts.
pale quartz
15th gen consumer for intel is ARL
nocturne drift
Heck a guy with the 12900k in oc channel disabled all 8 e cores and 2 p cores and beat a stock 7600x in cinebench with the same power draw.
Ryzen really wanna boost high on zen4
pale quartz
the CPPC always target gold cores for single boosts (if they exist) which is why they target high
frequency scaling on zen to power draw is pretty shit, so you cant get too low at high clocks
especially z4
higher the clock the higher the chance of IF errors
n31 clocks, independent SE
nocturne drift
But yeah GG amd. Good luck on rdna4
toxic wigeon
Probably won't happen but I hope the 4080 price goes down.
small zinc
Probably won't happen but I hope the 4080 price goes down.
It should happen. The 7900xtx is basically superior in every way except RT and for $200 less
The 4080 is dead. Theres a reason shelves are full of them at Microcenter. Ebay scalpers are also forced to return much of their stock
The 4080 can't sustain its pricing.
toxic wigeon
Nvidia has a stick ups its ass but who knows.
It's just kind of funny.
An xx80 this far into release still has so much stock.
small zinc
I kind of wished I waited for the 7900xtx release. I got impatient admittedly and bought a 4090 prebuilt.
toxic wigeon
To be fair though you got a decent card.
small zinc
Sure. The 4090 is still going to hold the performance crown. Likely the rest of this gen unless AMD launches an inevitable 7950xtx or whatever they will call it. But I don't suspect the 4090 will get beaten. But that 7900xtx is definitely compelling. I see it doing much better than the 4080
Now, I will admit the 7900xt doesn't make much sense.
Kind of an odd decision there
toxic wigeon
Eh it's what it is.
It's really something where hey no matter what you buy you'll have a decent option.
small zinc
Can't wait to see AIB cards though. Specifically Powercolor's Red Devil, and Sapphire Toxic.
Hell the Toxic 6900xt outperformed the 3090
So I suspect it may do very well again. They usually bin them much higher
toxic wigeon
But they specialised in nvidia and were treated horribly.
small zinc
To be fair, AMD isn't much better in that regard though either. Both AMD and Nvidia over the years became more "stick in the ass" mentality when it came to GPU designs. Gone are the days of do whatever you want. Things like the R-295x2. Having two GPU's on one PCB or crazy designs
It's the primary reason EVGA stopped making GPU's with Nvidia. Too much control and not enough creativity
toxic wigeon
Yeah I've noticed it with amd as well. But at the same time I've only noticed bad things not terrible things from them.
When I think of bad amd things I think of their XT processors and the layoffs many years ago when they went broke but I'm just cherry picking.
No company is perfect but amd seems to be a bit of a better one.
small zinc
AMD is only slightly less anti-consumer than Nvidia is. Both companies had a chance to really beat this scalper problem and chose to do nothing about it. Extra site measures such as captchas, lottery systems like EVGA did etc. But they chose not to, dumping all their inventories to mining farms cutting out the 3% overhead of retailers. Now that mining is dead, Nvidia specifically has admitted to limiting stock of 40 series to try and dump whatever 30 series are still out there. It's such a shitty thing to do. I'm so tired of the sneaker head community crossing over to GPU's and controlling the market with Git Hub purchase bots.
toxic wigeon
It makes me glad that more people it seems are standing up to nvidias bullshit.
Amd laughing at them proving them wrong too.
But yeah the scalper situation was awful.
small zinc
Eh. Nvidia doesn't care. They're purposely limited hardware to keep hype through the roof which in turns keeps stock prices high and shareholders pockets nicely lined. They've had chance after chance to get GPU's into the hands of "gamers" as Jensen so likes to casually convey. But time and time again, he's proven it's just lip service. Remember when Nvidia tried to limit hash rate? See how well that worked and then faded almost immediately. It's the same story again with 40 series, but at least this time, they've at least admitted to purposely limiting 4090 stock specifically. I have no idea what they're going to do with the 4080. But it's current pricing is garbage and I don't see it being sustainable. $1200+ for a GPU when it's previous gen was $700. $900 for a 4070 when those are historically midrange GPU's.
It's clear they've lost all direction
toxic wigeon
Like you said though they don't really care and they're going to sell their crap at a high price.
I dunno. I know what you're on about.
But at the same time.
They know they're going to make money from it.
small zinc
Like you said though they don't really care and they're going to sell their crap...
That was for sure while they still had the release over AMD. Now that RDNA 3 is officially released, who knows. From a business standpoint, I kind of get it. Sell out your crap at unreasonable prices while you can. Problem is, the 4080 didn't really sell at all. They botched the naming of it when it first came out with the 4080 16 and 12gb variants that when people really dug into it realized they weren't even the same AD GPU's at all. Nvidia tried to scam sellers and it backfired. That already left a bad taste in most consumers mouth with the 4080 specifically, on top of its terrible pricing. Store shelves will only continue to be full of them
I personally think the only GPU worth a damn from Nvidia this gen is the 4090. Otherwise, in my own opinion, I think they've got a marketing nightmare on their hands with both the 4080 and 4070 ti
toxic wigeon
Yeah the 4090 while I don't think is worth 100% of its price. It's the only one worth it.
I was thinking of getting a used 4090 by the end of the gen because it's gonna last ages.
prime jasper
Xtx seems like a no brainer for its price
nocturne drift
AMD always hype up and disappoints. 7900XTX should embrass 4080 but it didn't. Now is a question of how much more would you pay for features. Against a 4080! One The worst pricing gpu of all time. Wtf is amd doing and wtf are those 1% low and 0.1% lows. Where is the rdna2 days?
This is actually sad. The way to go is 6900xt and 3080ti to 3090 in second hand market.
What a joke
prime jasper
What are you on about?
nocturne drift
???
Did u see the reviews?
Almost all the people in Microcenter discord are not buying 7900xtx anymore.
Except people who want itx build
They are keeping their 3080 and 6800xt.
People with 4080 and 4090s are not returning them either.
nocturne drift
No they are not.
7900xtx barely beats 4080 in ras and loses in everything else.
4080 is one of the worst if not the worst priced gpu in history.
north crow
the XT looks interesting, was there any word on its pricing? $899?
nocturne drift
Making an argument for 4080 is bad.
It's not a solid launch for barely beating a 4080 in ras and loses everything else.
Absolute jokes.
This entire gen
It doesn't even win in efficiency
pale quartz
So I suspect it may do very well again. They usually bin them much higher
it is possible, RDNA3 hits 3GHz relatively easily, the issue is once you go past 3.2 power becomes a nightmare
3.2 is enough to put it within striking distance of the 4090, 3.3/3.4 will surpass it (non RT), but you aren't using that in a stable manner
the SE being unlocked over RDNA2 is why they are monsters for clocks
pale quartz
no idea the clock rate isn't shown in the article
the card will be unlocked over ref for its power limits which is why it's that level
nocturne drift
ampere/2080ti moment lets gooo
prime jasper
It's not a solid launch for barely beating a 4080 in ras and loses everything el...
i honestly don't see it
seems like people read the leaks and were overhyped and now dissapointed because they were wrong
pale quartz
meh it's a solid card all round I'll get one next year
prime jasper
im literally looking the data and don't see the disappointing results
prime jasper
i see its faster on most games with lower price
nocturne drift
so its back to paying extra for nvidia features again, we back to square uno
against the worst priced gpu in history.
pale quartz
the Nvidia "features" are questionable at best
shadowplay is shit there's DLSS and that's basically it
nocturne drift
thats what every people who owns amd cards say
pale quartz
I owned 5 Nvidia cards lol
1 AMD card
I had a 2080 in CLI for god's sake
don't go crying that I'm a fanboy
nocturne drift
I am not go crying lol
just dissappointed
hey at least rdna 2 second hand is cheap
pale quartz
Nvidia weren't cutting prices regardless of how RDNA3 performed anyways
AMD are a non competitor in the GPU market, Nvidia consider them as such
nocturne drift
all 2 people in Microcenter discord are talking about it, both itx build
just LOL
pale quartz
yeah well they aren't the Nvidia CEO, and he's been pretty straightforward that prices weren't coming down (before AMD put out their presentation of RDNA3)
nocturne drift
and even the 3 6900xt owner/ amd vanguard member said 7900xtx doesnt even make 4080 that stupid
which amd should because 4080 is absolutely stupid
nocturne drift
ill see that 4090 is 3 years when its sub 900
ez
even lower I hope
this gen is a meme
unless ur rich
prime jasper
it sucks thst gaming has become such an expensive hobby
nocturne drift
it doesnt have to be
go get that 6700xt 2080ti etc in the second market
old gen doesnt get slower
nocturne drift
I got a kingpin 2080ti for 260 USD that matches an average 3080 12 gb in timespy when overclocked
prime jasper
honestly a 2080ti without overclocking is enough for alot of things
pale quartz
pascal is shit don't buy anything that isn't under turing
nocturne drift
pascal is sht except 1080ti
nocturne drift
1080ti is GOAT tho
pale quartz
maybe 5 years ago
nocturne drift
it still matches 3060/beats it
pale quartz
it loses to the 2070 in modern games, isn't exactly a great showing
pale quartz
yes Pascal's architecture just suffers heavily because of advances
wasn't built with accomodating future tech in mind like Turing was
partly also why the 2080ti has held up so long to the competition
pale quartz
nocturne drift
still beats 3060 LOL
pale quartz
3060 was a compromised card, it should beat it
prime jasper
5700xt is preety goated if you get it running steady
pale quartz
even those margins are tiny
nocturne drift
why are u comparing a card that released 2 years later
pale quartz
because CUDA cores are relative for comparing performance between Nvidia cards
nocturne drift
I mean 5700xt
pale quartz
oh mb
prime jasper
not comparing just saying
nocturne drift
I mean imagine 5ish years ago
u get a 1080ti for 600
thats OP investment
like wtf
pale quartz
it was never meant to exist
and there'll never be a card that launches in that tier again
nocturne drift
but id take a 2070 super over 1080ti now adays cause features etc
yeah
thats why I consider 1080ti one of the goats
2080ti could be one of goat if its like 900-1000 not 1200.....
pale quartz
I wouldn't buy a non-30 series card/6000 card nowadays if I was building from scratch even if the prices are way cheaper
nocturne drift
purely due to covid
I just do 2080ti
and 30 series
I just want to build the 10980xe/ evga dark / 2080ti kingpin meme build haha
prime jasper
@nocturne drift aye whatās all this 6700xt Uv oc shit
does it really increase performance that much
pale quartz
assume he's meaning the clock speed
nocturne drift
but isnt 6700xt already almost maxed outta the box?
prime jasper
No clue i really donāt know much ab it but i know what under volting and overclocking is
pale quartz
@prime jasper tldr you can overclock the GPUs core using radeons software and unlock the power limit from reference spec, it can significantly boost performance for the card as it has limited SMs compared to the 6800xt
nocturne drift
I remember 6700xt yeet the clock speed so the power consumption wasnt even much better compare to ampere
Game Frequency
2424 MHz
yeah not much room
pale quartz
highly game dependent but yes it's possible, just make sure to find a card that has a custom power limit
AIBs will set their own
pale quartz
you'll need to check the technical specifications
prime jasper
Alright
prime jasper
My take is under volting it keeping temps down and keeping it at that high boost clock
nocturne drift
the oc cards are the 6800xt and the 6900xt
prime jasper
But i might be wrong
pale quartz
you won't need to undervolt it it's already highly efficient
prime jasper
So the 6700xt isnāt some golden ticket to uv oc
nocturne drift
u have 2080 super? if ur temp is in check I would lock 1.093v and crank it over 2000mhz
nocturne drift
6700xt is one of the worst oc in rdna2
prime jasper
Temp in cheap? wdym
nocturne drift
check sorry
prime jasper
I already tried oc and uv and it didnāt workš
pale quartz
if you want true overclocking then the XTX can do 3GHz, just isn't cheap
prime jasper
Like zero difference
nocturne drift
did u unlock power limit etc?
pale quartz
the manufacturers probably locked down his cards power options
prime jasper
Yea
nocturne drift
depends on what 2080 super u have
quick locust
imagine having unlocked mem oc
nocturne drift
2080 super doesnt draw much power
prime jasper
Bc they got like fucking the KO, XC, OC a bunch of shit
nocturne drift
xc should be fine
pale quartz
hes probably at the Nvidia thermal wall
nocturne drift
83-84c
pale quartz
isn't actually the thermal wall, Turing will downclock itself aggressively at mediocre temperatures and bypass software
nocturne drift
nah having ur clock speed go up and down like a rollercoaster is weird LOL
prime jasper
Bro
Holy shit so you all know
Fuck the thermal wall i knew there was something with this fucking cardš
prime jasper
It will legit sit at 73 degrees then boost up to 3000+ as soon as it hits 74 like a fucking jet
prime jasper
Highest iāve seen was 3800
nocturne drift
I think u are looking at memory clock speed or smth
quick locust
lol
nocturne drift
repaste?
prime jasper
Idk what that is
prime jasper
Damn
pale quartz
if it's the latter get ready to replace the card
prime jasper
but the temps have never gone above 75 in a h510
pale quartz
yeah because it's at 3k rpm lol
small zinc
Almost all the people in Microcenter discord are not buying 7900xtx anymore.
Not overly concerned with what the Microcenter Discord has to say. Sales will speak for themselves. Tom's Hardware review kind of speaks volumes about the 7900xtx.
prime jasper
Will stay there for a little then go back up every minute or so
pale quartz
yeah sounds like a hotspot on the card
nocturne drift
Not overly concerned with what the Microcenter Discord has to say. Sales will sp...
it sure will speak voluime
prime jasper
FUCK bro i knew there was something wrong with this shit
nocturne drift
the sales
pale quartz
probably pressure related
nocturne drift
these are the people who actually buys the cards
prime jasper
Is the card fucked?
nocturne drift
it will def speak volume
prime jasper
How long will it last
prime jasper
So itās not hardware
pale quartz
it's hardware
prime jasper
Like there isnāt a hotspot thatās gonna melt it
pale quartz
just the thermal paste kind
prime jasper
Or fuck it up
small zinc
We get it Mazda. You don't like the 7900xtx. But face it. It not only outperforms the 4080, it's cheaper.
It will sell
pale quartz
you wouldnt
prime jasper
How would i know the severity
pale quartz
not till it's dead anyways unless you're checking temperatures
pale quartz
How would i know the severity
you wouldn't lol
prime jasper
broā¦
nocturne drift
It only outperforms the 4080 in ras, loses in everything else. it just wont sell, not being disappointed is whats wrong with us
prime jasper
$240 was too good to be trueš
pale quartz
it definitely will sell
nocturne drift
I sht all over 4080 when it launched
pale quartz
I'm one of the buyers
nocturne drift
barely beating a 4080 is not a solid launch
its like we let the gpu company get us
pale quartz
there's no other competition, not sure what you expect
nocturne drift
true, it its what it is, $$$$
dry pike
I really hoped the Intel and AMD cards would have been better this time around. Nvidia needs a kick in the pants so they stop abusing their market share so much.
small zinc
AMD themselves already stated that the 7900xtx was never meant to be a 4090 competitor. It was only meant to go up against the 4080. And in that regard it did, and in this case I think bested it. Rasterization performance is what matters. Nobody buys a GPU based on it's RayTracing performance. RT is and always will be gimmicky. Is it nice to have? Sure. But nobody goes out and buys a GPU based on how well it can do that. People look at raw "FPS" aka Raster performance. That's what most consumers care about. At the time of the review, not only are all reviews based on reference design GPU's, they're also pre-release drivers, and still outperforming the 4080. You know as well as I do that AIB cards will do even better. They're typically binned higher, and drivers will only improve too. You mention that Raster is the only thing the 7900xtx wins in. That's simply just not true. It uses less power, runs cooler, obviously more efficient. Let's just say that the 7900xtx matches the 4080 straight up to humor you. It's still the cheaper option and consumers will likely pick that over the 4080.
pale quartz
I really hoped the Intel and AMD cards would have been better this time around. ...
was never happening
small zinc
barely beating a 4080 is not a solid launch
It is for the price.
pale quartz
Intel's GPU division is a shell of what it was and RDNA3's architecture was more or less just made
nocturne drift
AMD themselves already stated that the 7900xtx was never meant to be a 4090 comp...
7900xtx uses more power, runs hotter and less efficient
pale quartz
it's likely Nvidia will lose Blackwell
nocturne drift
what are u on about
pale quartz
put that it that way
small zinc
7900xtx uses more power, runs hotter and less efficient
Bro. You really need to read
Toms Hardware
prime jasper
@nocturne drift @pale quartz Aye im trading for a 6700xt what some things i definitely need to look for once i get it and put it in the system
nocturne drift
no you need to read
pale quartz
<@1022544403962798090> <@162568099839606784> Aye im trading for a 6700xt what s...
nothing, just the Radeon drivers
dry pike
was never happening
hence why I used the word "hope" and not "expect"
nocturne drift
everywhere 7900xtx draws more power
prime jasper
Wdym nothing
pale quartz
hence why I used the word "hope" and not "expect"
yeah true
you don't need anything else
the card is plug and play
nocturne drift
u cant be serious
small zinc
everywhere 7900xtx draws more power
OMG a whopping 9 watts!!!!
nocturne drift
You are doing the typical amd defence
small zinc
HOLY SHIT
prime jasper
Other stuff i need to check
nocturne drift
9 WATTS LOL
prime jasper
Like running a game, what should i look for
Benchmarks
Any visuals on the screen that could tell you itās a bad card
Fan curve
small zinc
I'm not doing any AMD defense. I bought a fucking 4090. Get over yourself. The 7900xtx hands down beats the 4080.
Just stop with your fanboyism.
dry pike
It was getting a bit cold, so fired up 2042 and now my 600W spaceheater is going š
pale quartz
Any visuals on the screen that could tell you itās a bad card
no it'll run fine lol
small zinc
Any visuals on the screen that could tell you itās a bad card
Artifacting would be a major indication.
prime jasper
Whatās artifacting
nocturne drift
You need to stop, just cause it barely beats the worst launching gpu price in history is not a solid launch, keep ur reverse copium to urself
pale quartz
Mazda the 7900xtx draws less than the 4080
the idle is a driver issue
isn't the cards native draw
small zinc
You need to stop, just cause it barely beats the worst launching gpu price in hi...
Just because you chose to read a select few words in any review and not thoroughly read the review is your own problem. Not mine.
prime jasper
no it'll run fine lol
Okay say your buying a used gpu you plug it in what all tests would you do
small zinc
You're watching Gamers NExus.
pale quartz
Okay say your buying a used gpu you plug it in what all tests would you do
play a game, few hours, install the drivers, about all you need to do
nocturne drift
i wasnt talking about idle
small zinc
Opinion discarded.
nocturne drift
what are u watching LOL
prime jasper
So your saying itās either going to work or not going to work
small zinc
not watch
nocturne drift
Tom's hardware LOL yeah ur opinion is discarded
small zinc
Tom's Hardware has absolutely hands down among the best testing methodology
pale quartz
So your saying itās either going to work or not going to work
yes
pale quartz
this conversation isn't productive
small zinc
Even Deco is telling you the 7900xtx draws less power
prime jasper
nocturne drift
Deco is wrong
small zinc
ok.
pale quartz
furmark is a GPU benchmark utility, it doesn't measure efficiency
the 7900xtx draws less in games than the 4080
pale quartz
it uses more in furmark as the clocks are being pushed
small zinc
good argument and stance....
nocturne drift
so where is 7900xtx drawing less power and being more efficient
I am still waiting
dry pike
Furmark is for stresstesting and burning in, doesn't really work for real-life workload metrics like power consumption in my mind
nocturne drift
classic
small zinc
you'd rather argue
small zinc
7900xtx iS sUcH a bAd gPu
prime jasper
nocturne drift
š¤£
small zinc
100% this.
pale quartz
yes 90 watts, on all circumstances, before taking into account actual games
not just idle
it's 70 take away whatever number a game produces
nocturne drift
so ur saying with a driver fix the power draw will decrease by 70w
pale quartz
driver/vBIOS fix
nocturne drift
LOL I will believe it when I see it
pale quartz
should, but it's bugged currently which is why it's abnormally high
nocturne drift
can I see some sources on that when the card is under load?
not just idle
u cant just decrease idle differences and subtract it in a full load
it doesnt work like that
pale quartz
you can see the disparity
has been an issue since RDNA1, has came back again apparently
nocturne drift
yeah but that is just about hitting the 355w power limit
pale quartz
and it shouldn't, because furmark and gaming should be nowhere near the same
nocturne drift
u cant be serious thinking it will become 280w under load with a vbios fix
prime jasper
what's the source of telling it's bugged? don't see anything about it
nocturne drift
thats still idle
small zinc
Just look at the power draw @prime jasper. Especially Multi-Monitor draw
That's not normal
pale quartz
no it's not, that's with a video
pale quartz
yeah Nvidia had it too for a while, AMD was cursed with it with the 5000 series cards, but it's why draw is all over the place
I don't know if it'll be 280, probably closer to 300 numerically
pale quartz
no it's a bug in the driver
quick locust
my card is pretty decently cooled
pale quartz
it's AMDs fault
small zinc
so its bug in windows
No. Definitely a driver/BIOS bug
dry pike
my card is pretty decently cooled
Or ambient is just very cold š
prime jasper
so nvidia and amd has same bug?
pale quartz
my card is pretty decently cooled
you'll be even cooler with arc black screens
pale quartz
so nvidia and amd has same bug?
yes
small zinc
so nvidia and amd has same bug?
Yes. Fixed with drivers
nocturne drift
yes multi monitor
pale quartz
they've been had it before with various generations of cards
this one's just worse since its with accelerated workloads too, for whatever reason
small zinc
In this particular case, the 7900xtx will draw/is drawing less power than the 4080
nocturne drift
what particular case?
small zinc
All cases. It's been pointed out clear as day that the 7900xtx is drawing on average 70 watts more than it needs to
small zinc
And you're a fanboy that refuses to read
or listen
or understand
You've even acknowledged it, Yet refuse to believe it
And we're the jokes
ok.
nocturne drift
I refuse to read? I read what u linked me and it saays ur wrong
prime jasper
doubt 70 watts would be fixed with drivers/vbios
small zinc
Why not?
small zinc
It has in the past
nocturne drift
its not
nocturne drift
what it does is it up the clock speed of the gpu when in multi monitor situation
when in a game load, the gpu is fully utilized anyways it wont do anything
small zinc
So upping the clock speed automatically raises it 100 watts? Get the fuck out of here....
nocturne drift
yes
small zinc
That's a bug.
nocturne drift
if I go to nvidia control panel
small zinc
5nm isn't that unefficient
pale quartz
it isn't an equatable comparison
small zinc
Not going to argue with you anymore. You clearly don't understand how hardware actually works.
pale quartz
clocks on RDNA and Nvidia are different for power scaling
prime jasper
until someone that actually knows this stuff says there is bug where it uses 70W more than needs to i won't really believe this
small zinc
until someone that actually knows this stuff says there is bug where it uses 70W...
Are you simply not understanding the article?
prime jasper
i don't even mind higher power draw than 4080 but when no one is talking about it in the community i find it hard to believe
nocturne drift
u guys are actual jokes, 7900xtx power limit is 355w, 4080 power limit is 320w, if u are not hitting that u are cpu limited and not fully utilizing the gpu in most cases.
nocturne drift
5nm is efficient but so is 4nm on nvidia
small zinc
pale quartz
yeah and it's also why its not correct
small zinc
They even state its a bug
nocturne drift
Extremely high multi-monitor and media playback power consumption (could be a driver bug)
small zinc
links article Still denies testing
dry pike
u guys are actual jokes, 7900xtx power limit is 355w, 4080 power limit is 320w, ...
Lets not make things personal. You don't have to agree but lets keep the name-calling to Reddit shall we.
pale quartz
that's just false
RDNA1 had this issue and when it was resolved dropped by the fixed amount
small zinc
It's no use Deco. I know I argue a lot. But holy shit. This guy refuses to acknowledge anything.
pale quartz
I don't have any off hand charts because RDNA1 was mostly forgotten about till they finally fixed the issue (only took years), but it did happen
small zinc
He does. You don't.
nocturne drift
sure!
pale quartz
uhh i think you both know a lot in your own right, wont take sides here
nocturne drift
thanks
prime jasper
all things considered 7900 xtx will give me great experience on 1440p 165Hz
nocturne drift
if this is such an issue the OC discord and multiple other tech discord would be all over this
small zinc
But he was right about one thing for sure. All we can go off is today's testing. We're wasting our breaths here and it's become non productive. It's like any video game review. All we can do is base it on its launch merits only. I fully expect the 7900xtx to improve it's performance by quite a bit. The driver is definitely buggy, and the performance is based on that same buggy driver. It is what it is.
small zinc
all things considered 7900 xtx will give me great experience on 1440p 165Hz
Oh absolutely. Whatever GPU you pick in that price range, you won't be disappointed.
I still think it's the better buy over the 4080's gimmicky pricing.
nocturne drift
4080 pricing is dogwater
small zinc
DLSS 3 is most definitely compelling. But I'm not spending upwards of $1400 on a GPU when I could just buy the 4090 for $200-$300 more
prime jasper
3070 (my current) vs 7900xtx
nocturne drift
what is ur 3070?
nocturne drift
I still hold the fastest 10850k+3070 since 2020, without ram oc, without rebar
powerlimit on ampere is a bich
small zinc
Now if only synthetic benchmarks actually meant anything
hehe
Or rather translated to real world gaming benchmarks
nocturne drift
that was not my point. my point is power limit on ampere sucks
and they sucks so much power
small zinc
I will applaud Nvidia with Ada though
small zinc
the 4090 while it does draw a lot of power, can be cut in half and still only lose about 9% raster performance
Just goes to show that the 4090 doesn't need to draw anywhere close to what it does
nocturne drift
if tsmc charges 30% more or smth on wafer we cant get cheap anything new
small zinc
if tsmc charges 30% more or smth on wafer we cant get cheap anything new
You sure you're not referring to tarriff exemptions?
nocturne drift
TSMC 3nm Wafer Pricing Revealed: $20,000 US & 25% Price Increase Over 5nm, Next-Gen CPUs & GPUs To Be More Expensive
nope
pale quartz
mostly apple paradoxically who dont help the situation
theyve only tried to refuse to pay once, out of a whole.. 9 nodes in 9 years
pale quartz
its because 1nm is coming online in the no so distant future
all the chips on 7 will have to migrate
nocturne drift
a win would be for intel and samsung to catch up
small zinc
Intel isn't even remotely close
nocturne drift
I know
pale quartz
they have cool tech inside for its facilities but technology wise IFS is at least 5 years behind tsmc
nocturne drift
so tsmc can charge whatever they want
pale quartz
samsung, theyre, oddly enough the closest
nocturne drift
yeah
pale quartz
around 3 years between tsmc and them
nocturne drift
the ampere 8nm samsung is actually jokes tho
pale quartz
mostly cause they poached tsmc executives.. but thats a diff can of worms
nocturne drift
540w timespy graphics test 2 on a 3080ti at 1.1v lock. not even extreme
small zinc
But I do like that Intel is now in the GPU game. The ARC A770 isn't a bad GPU at all for its first dive into them. Competition is good and I expect Intel to improve on that making AMD and Nvidia both potentially lower pricing on future hardware
nocturne drift
actual jokes
prime jasper
what is ur 3070?
kfa2/galax
pale quartz
But I do like that Intel is now in the GPU game. The ARC A770 isn't a bad GPU at...
itll be a while before that
battlemage is a shitshow and the driver suite is still a mess
give it till 2024
small zinc
Nonetheless, I think the A770 isn't a bad GPU at all. Not for a first launch
May have its issues, but not a bad launch at all
pale quartz
i like the card, despise the lies about it though
small zinc
Don't know too much about Battlmage to be honest
pale quartz
is an MCM architecture
been in development for a while now, few years actually, just had endless technical issues
the culling of staff at intel definitely hasnt helped either
small zinc
See if I can get $400 for my Zotac Amp Extreme 2080 Ti when my PC gets here
One of the more "rare" AIB cards
nocturne drift
it does look cool ngl
small zinc
Thanks. Not really sure what happened to Zotac, but don't seem to be the company they used to.
Would have bought a Zotac over EVGA, ASUS, or MSI any day of the week with Turing or previous generations.
Not anymore though
nocturne drift
yeah every generation is a refresh I think
one company could be awesome one gen and absolutely garbo the next
except 40 series, every cards is soooooooooooooo overbuilt
small zinc
Not really sure why ASUS charges what they do for the Strix branding when all that is is recycled DCUII coolers from previous iterations.
nocturne drift
and 1.1v voltage limited
asus strix has the best power delivery and pcb
for 20 series
but the 2080ti have 320w power limit
a joke
I have to flash mine with matrix plat vbios to 365w
and cooler can handle it 0 problem
small zinc
I do miss Matrix and Ares GPU's
small zinc
Won't deny that. But I do also applaud Sapphire with their "Toxic" AIB GPU's.
nocturne drift
540w stock power limit mid 2100s clock speed at 1.093v
small zinc
kind of engineering marvels too
nocturne drift
u can overvolt the vcore beyond nvidia , and mem, and rails
this is without using classified tool and using a measly 8700k with 2x8 single rank
small zinc
Ah... I miss these days
Two GPU's on one PCB
hybrid cooling
Back when AIB partners could go wild
nocturne drift
No wonder 3090 kingpin etc combos with 1600w Psu
quick locust
this alright?
i rarely run superposition
dunno if this is alright
9058 with 8700K and A770 at 1080p extreme
pale quartz
9058 with 8700K and A770 at 1080p extreme
seems standard
molten flame
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-navi-31-gpu-overclocked-3-7-ghz-front-end-clock-3-5-ghz-shader-clock/ @nocturne drift
3.7 GHz 
nocturne drift
but it says not performance benefits?
another bug?
oh I see u can do fp32 at that speed
but you cant game at that speed, it tops out around 2.9ghz
weird architecture
toxic wigeon
So there's apparently an unreleased 7990xt?
prime jasper
there was rumours yeah but nothing note worthy really
toxic wigeon
I'm keeping an eye out for that.
pale quartz
So there's apparently an unreleased 7990xt?
doesnt exist
its a server SKU card, consumer variant doesnt exist internally
nocturne drift
molten flame
A770 
nocturne drift
Welp. Mlid turned almost 180 real fast.
And he kinda admit he is wrong as well.
He is happily using his 4090 damn sponsorships lol
Sooo funny lol
At least he kinda admits it he is wrong and called out amd.
Gained a tiny bit more respect for him.
But hey good news bestbuy here xfx listed their 7900xtx at 899.99instead of 999.99
That's 100 dollars less than msrp already.
That's pretty good.
nocturne drift
It's like slightly beating garbage.
north crow
at this rate the 4050 is going to cost $600
nocturne drift
Get yo 6800xt 6900xt 2080ti and 30 series guys.
We will enjoy this gen in 2-3 years.
nocturne drift
Oof
quick locust
I'm on Intel but yeah won't need to change for quite a while
nocturne drift
Def 6800xt then in ur case
quick locust
990 usd here for one
nocturne drift
Damn
quick locust
for cheapest msi one
nocturne drift
Second hand 3080?
quick locust
most of them are around 1100 to 1162 usd new
nocturne drift
Oof :C
quick locust
hmm lemme check second hand
nocturne drift
Yeah prob 6800xt and 6900xt is the way to go maybe second hand
quick locust
still 700ā¬ here :^)
pretty much same as dragory prices
6800 xt costs the same used
nocturne drift
Damn
I mean honestly ur set
U have a 2080ti right?
I sold my backup pc to my friend so now I am considering making either an all out meme evga dark/kingpin build or another generic Asus rgb vomit build as backup
quick locust
4080 is 1650 usd for cheapest lol
nocturne drift
Damn
quick locust
quick locust
why is there a second hand market for them already anyway
nocturne drift
Scalpers
quick locust
lol
nocturne drift
Scalpers think this is still covid time
quick locust
anyway yeah 4080 is 1650 to 1870 usd
nocturne drift
Yeah 2 listing at 1200
Msi gaming x trio and zotac trinity
That's below msrp+tax by 100+
quick locust
nocturne drift
What happened is actually is they said they all upgraded to 4090
And they are getting rid of their 4080
quick locust
A770 is 496 usd
nocturne drift
Wtf
quick locust
here
nocturne drift
Shoutout to xfx for selling 7900xtx for 100 usd below msrp at launch
prime jasper
7900 xt faster than 4080 in MWII š