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pale quartz
besides it's not just software level integration it runs through different layers embedded within windows itself, won't be possible to translate it in any efficient manner for linux
WSL2 will maybe work, native integration not so much
runic gate
Hello on the ps4 version of battlefield 2042 I have a bug where when I fire my weapon stops firing on its own which is really annoying in the middle of a fight (do you have a solution) I have already uninstalled and reinstalled the game
pale quartz
Hello on the ps4 version of battlefield 2042 I have a bug where when I fire my w...
known issue, theres no fix
runic gate
It's not normally for AAA game shooter
nocturne drift
for that price it was probably used heavily for mining tho
I see some non mined card at that price.
Prob. It's still a gamble
toxic wigeon
@nocturne drift You're into Oc'ing and all that. How much more life time can you get out of an OC'd CPU?
nocturne drift
<@1022544403962798090> You're into Oc'ing and all that. How much more life time ...
Sorry, how much more life time?
Depends on the cpu. My recommendations are 8700k, 9700k, 10600k, these are still very relevant
Basically my suggestion is any intel with 6 cores 12 threads or more, using 14nm cores. Zen3 6 cores 12 threads or up. They are still very good gaming cpu.
toxic wigeon
Sorry, how much more life time?
Maybe an extra gen. I'm just thinking. If a 7800x3d is acquired which will last me a good 5 years standard. Will oc'ing it take me three gens?
Or better for you, How long could an intel CPU be carried?
nocturne drift
Maybe an extra gen. I'm just thinking. If a 7800x3d is acquired which will last ...
That depends on the game and your needs. Whenever you feel the cpu no longer satisfy your expectations, you upgrade.
Also Idk about oc 7800X 3D. Max tuning a 5800X 3D improved only 5%. Not too sure if it's super worth.
The best intel for oc is the i5. You can make it do i7 to i9 speed.
Also you pair you cpu according to your gpu. Let's say for me in battlefield 2042. I play on 1080p max settings. My gpu utilization is about 85-98% depending on places. So I am very very very slightly cpu bottlenecked. Which is fine. Very balanced system.
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fair.
I'm just thinking if I can make something last a tiny bit longer for my needs that's all I ask.
nocturne drift
What cpu do you have?
toxic wigeon
Currently a 5600x.
It really depends what I will do.
I want to float a lot of ideas around.
I'm happy with what I have for now but I'm just exploring.
nocturne drift
Oh. 5600X is fine. You can either do pbo2 or manual static oc.
The highest gpu I'd pair with that would be around a 3080 or 6800XT
molten flame
Games will use more than 16 cores in 5 years
Windows 11 22H2 is messing up Nvidia drivers and the scheduler for all generations of Ryzen, even 7000 series
Rumor of Windows 12 coming soon
nocturne drift
So 13900k is not that fast compared to 12900k
The good thing here I see is stock performance will be a huge increase.
4.9ghz all P core vs 5.5ghz all P core.
4.1 ghz all E core vs 4.3ghz all E core.
Ring clock got increased as well.
So I think the best thing of this is the efficiency.
If a 13900k can do 5.5ghz all P core. U can prob only draw mid to low 100w at 4.9ghz all P core.
I actually see zen 4 3D beating this.
Amd can finally over take intel in gaming after all these years lol
22H2 is messing up amd drivers as well
My friend rolled back to win10
I am quoting him"So, I'm giving up on Windows 11. fking fTPM issue (unrelated to stuttering) is back with AGESA 1.2.0.7 and 22H2. Aint got time for that sht"
molten flame
molten flame
I actually see zen 4 3D beating this.
Just a hint, Zen 4 3D is more than 15% faster than regular Zen 4 in gaming
Bigger gains than Zen 3 to Zen 3D
nocturne drift
Just a hint, Zen 4 3D is more than 15% faster than regular Zen 4 in gaming
I'll wait for benchmarks
Both zen3 3D and zen4 fell short of alderlake when tuned. But I think this is a chance for amd
molten flame
5800X3D can be more than 40% faster than 5800X in simulation and strategy games and others that have lots of stuff going on
7000X3D is very promising
nocturne drift
Yeah. The reason why 13900k didn't win over 12th gen by alot is also software limitations
Core clock speed just stop scaling
nocturne drift
Exactly.
toxic wigeon
Hasn't AMD trailed not far behind intel these days anyways?
molten flame
Zen 3 already beat 10th gen and 11th gen
molten flame
Tuning doesn't matter
toxic wigeon
If looking at stock performance.
nocturne drift
Zen3 3D gets tied and beat by a tuned 12600k
molten flame
In csgo maybe
nocturne drift
Nah benchmark shows
But stock wise I think amd wins
5800X 3D is amazing. I recommended 2 people and they all got it
Zen4 is decent as well. They don't have the amdip anymore from both zen3 and zen3D
With the free ddr5 in Microcenter its a pretty good buy.
molten flame
7900X most purchased AM5 CPU so far
molten flame
Having only 1 CCD active with the latest version of Windows 11 makes Zen 4 faster than stock lol
nocturne drift
It's the best gaming cpu if u don't wanna bother with bios
5800X 3D is a hit.
Yes it won't beat 12th gen but people don't just tune ram.
molten flame
5800X3D will run fine on cheap motherboards too
nocturne drift
Yeah
molten flame
I remember someone ran a R7 1800X (btw draws more power than the entire Zen 3 lineup) on a $60 A320 motherboard for months on end and didn't encounter any overheating issues
nocturne drift
What intel needs to focus on 13th gen is ddr5 maturity
molten flame
6800-7200 tuned still seems to be the limit
nocturne drift
That's because of hynix m die
And mobo.
I am thinking 4X16 ddr5 maturity
4X32.
2X32
molten flame
4x32GB at 8000 CL28 when
nocturne drift
Get 4X16 5600 cl36 xmp to post first.
That's a win for content creators.
I know they can do it cause Asus z690 board can do 6000 4X16 already but u have to manually tune stuff.
molten flame
I'd like to see RDNA2/3 iGPU performance with quad-channel DDR5
nocturne drift
Get xmp working first.
molten flame
I ordered a 5600G for only $140, will be using the iGPU
5700G was tempting but was running out of budget with the build
nocturne drift
I think I'm skipping raptorlake.
I think zen4 3D has a chance here cause if games stops scaling to core clock. Maybe it will with cache.
We will have to wait and see
I'm glad I did 4 builds for my friend using alderlake and ddr4 Bdie
It will last them forever.
All of em can drop a 4090
Except they can't cause it won't fit
prime jasper
Intel 13th gen benchmarks tomorrow?
pale quartz
Maybe an extra gen. I'm just thinking. If a 7800x3d is acquired which will last ...
not even the 7800x3d will last you 5 years lol
those days are long gone
nocturne drift
If the cpu satisfy the game he plays. He doesn't need to just change.
I don't see in 5 year all the games will suddenly run bad on this year's cpu
candid flame
those days are long gone
pain 
the cpu I got 2 years ago can't even keep up now
let's just advocate for cloud gaming and get this over with
nocturne drift
What cpu u got 2 years ago that can't keep up?
midnight crypt
network infrastructure isn't good enough for cloud gaming to work
candid flame
What cpu u got 2 years ago that can't keep up?
i7-10750h, laptop one, but still, it's a 10th gen
candid flame
network infrastructure isn't good enough for cloud gaming to work
I'm paying 19 euro per month for 1 gigabit internet
pretty good imo
midnight crypt
I'm paying 19 euro per month for 1 gigabit internet
ok and
that doesnt translate to good infrastructure across your country
candid flame
doesn't matter when I can just stream it from outside my country lol
young grove
Oh. 5600X is fine. You can either do pbo2 or manual static oc.
I've got a 5800X. What would you recommend for me? I'm thinking of just a 3080 tbh.
I also need a new mobo. Running an old B450 chipset, annd I had to underclock my CPU to 3.8 because it kept crashing at stock clock speeds.
toxic wigeon
3080 good.
storm osprey
id only get a 3080 if you do 1440p or 4k gaming, otherwise any amd gpu would be better (and likely better value with current prices in general too)
candid flame
a770 baby
nocturne drift
I also need a new mobo. Running an old B450 chipset, annd I had to underclock my...
I would update the bios. B450 works fine with zen3
For gpu wise, 3080 or below. 6800xt or below.
young grove
I would update the bios. B450 works fine with zen3
it's updated. latest version
storm osprey
I would update the bios. B450 works fine with zen3
he could have a mb that just cant handle a 5800x
young grove
yea its some cheap asrock mobo that came with this prebuilt I bought like 2ish years ago
storm osprey
asrock.. yea that will likely be it xD
young grove
cuz I updated the bios before I installed the 5800x, but my pc would just turn off after like a minute or two of playing any game
storm osprey
i dont generally shit on a brand, but... asrock is an exception
young grove
temps were fine. tried lowering the clock speed and that solved my issue. but now im missign out on performance gains obviusly.
prime jasper
asrock.. yea that will likely be it xD
nah they are fine, pre builds just come with some dodgy ass mobos often that are total waste of components
sure there has been bad ones but so has with all other manufacturers
i have asrock b450 and had no problem with it and before that had few other asrock mobos with no problems
nocturne drift
it's updated. latest version
I would try manually OC it then
or do positive curve optimizer
which is very cursed
yeah asrock and gigabyte are -_-
I ALWAYS have issues with them
Just sold my 2080ti ftw3
getting an asus 2080ti strix
cause f evga
I am starting my own strix collection
dry pike
Gotta say, all motherboard manufacturers are crap imo. Everybody just picks the one they think is the least crap
storm osprey
ehh, as far as VRM temps go, asrock has been consistently towards the bottom for a while now
dry pike
Well, as far as I know Asrock was started by Asus to be their low cost alternative. But that is far in the past so guess there is no excuse.
prime jasper
Asrock b650 PG Ligtning is similar price as b650 tuf gaming by asus
wonder which is better
dry pike
FINALLY a company that takes GPU sag serious 😄
Don't know who "51RISC!" is but looks nice and different
molten coral
Looks cool
storm osprey
how exactly is this taking hpu sag serious? with the levelers?
cursive marten
yup i assume
storm osprey
shiiiit the 4090 tuf gives you a little aluminum stand
dry pike
how exactly is this taking hpu sag serious? with the levelers?
Forgot the link https://www.techspot.com/news/96332-gpu-manufacturer-51risc-joins-fight-against-gpu-sag.html
storm osprey
I like how they suggest using the card to check the level of your floors and desk
cursive marten
i mean why not do that
dry pike
I think it's brilliant. Levels look cool and they are probably very cheap to source.
empty vortex
anyone able to help me get HOSAS to work
i can only get it to see 1 stick but i have dual
anyone?
cursive marten
...Why?
If you have that kind of setup, aren't there better games to be playing with it?
Games that would better utilize it?
empty vortex
yeah but i am bored with those games atm
wabted to buzz around in a chopper
wanted
cursive marten
i mean this game isn't exactly gonna that different, the controls for flying are made for a regular controller. having a dedicated setup like that wouldn't add anything but complexity to set up.
empty vortex
still want to. only found a single vid online with someone using HOSAS and they dont speak english so yeah no idea. it only sees one of my 2 sticks
cursive marten
eh, seems like it would be a waste of time.
cursive marten
It's more effort to set up and it's not like you're getting anything out of it because the controls for flying are really simple compared to games that better utilize a setup like that.
empty vortex
yeah well i tried k&m and its completely wonky imo. and i am already used to dual sticks. imo sticks are the best flight experience
cursive marten
well yeah but controls in this game are a bit wonky in general, especially on KBM, thank crossplay for that.
cursive marten
yeah good idea
cursive marten
cool
pale quartz
RDNA3 might use DP 2.1
it does
molten flame
Nvidia is fucked in VR and 4K beyond 144Hz then
molten flame
prime jasper
intel 13th gen benchmarks coming thursday 15:00 CET
quick locust
hm
A770 does slightly better than my 2080 ti in Plague Tale Requiem
But man is it demanding lol
Very pretty thougyh
my 2080 ti
vs A770
nocturne drift
I got my 2080ti strix today!
I am soo happy samsung GDDR6.
successful asus matrix plat vbios flash to 360w
clocks WAY HIGHER than my old 2080ti ftw3
also nice testing on the intel gpu
molten flame
How much was it
lofty light
I really need to rebuild and clean out my PC
And put my water cooler on my 2080ti, haven't had it on since I bought it 
toxic wigeon
@lofty light Do it. Or I'll come to Perth and make help you do it.
lofty light
Please do, it's filled with cat hair because of my little brat
toxic wigeon
Oh God your cat would be moulting this time of year wouldn't it?
lofty light
No clue, she's always dropping fistfuls of hair
I've got a brush on my PC desk that she loves so she gets de furred occasionally anyway
toxic wigeon
Damn. That's a good price for a high end card.
nocturne drift
dont wanna go xoc cause my cpu was slightly degraded from last year
and its not super cold rn
I think I am happy with this
toxic wigeon
Could probably make a good PC with a 5600x and a 2080ti under 1K USD.
But you'd need to know where to look.
toxic wigeon
I never saw that.
toxic wigeon
Oh true but I'm just stating.
lofty light
toxic wigeon
That's a good cheap PC.
nocturne drift
I didnt benchmark the PC yet
I also sold my 2x8 single rank Bdie for 60 and got 2x16 samsung C die dual rank for 60
lofty light
I have a 2080ti and 3900X I bought at launch 
lofty light
Hearing cheap to describe them is insane
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
toxic wigeon
Blow air conditioner into it.
nocturne drift
this is 10850k + 3080ti
toxic wigeon
Make it extra frosty.
nocturne drift
as u can see there is F ALL difference between 3090 and 3080ti and 3090ti
lofty light
Put your radiator in ice water
nocturne drift
save yo $ get a high power limit 3080ti unless u play 4k watchdog legion or HZD that needs vram
this strix is perfect, samsung gddr6, thank god, way higher clock than ftw3
low 325w power limit is solved by flashing the asus matrix platinum vbios to 360w
toxic wigeon
Honestly.
Until 4k 120 is reliable on a decently priced card I'm gonna sit on 1440p.
molten flame
molten flame
It shouldn't have just 1/3 the graphics performance of the X model tbh
pale quartz
https://wccftech.com/rocksteady-dev-calls-xbox-series-s-a-potato-while-defending...
he's right lol, but it exists as a budget device, was never a "next gen" gaming console
molten flame
It has next-gen features but the graphics is last-gen performance
Much better CPU than Xbox One generation
pale quartz
it was a mistake for Microsoft to launch the console but from their standpoint they didn't have much of a choice
parallel existence compared to now
molten flame
It should stay a 1080p/1440p console
I heard a dev say that the small RAM capacity is a bigger problem than the GPU performance
10GB shared for system and vram
Which is 2GB more than original Xbox One but 2GB less than Xbox One X
pale quartz
I heard a dev say that the small RAM capacity is a bigger problem than the GPU p...
ehh sort of
truthfully it's more game dependent rather than universal, but they're both as bad as each other
brave path
Wonder when there leak for geforce 40 series mobile
molten flame
Probably Q1 is when we'll start to hear about it
brave path
Ik but for gpu it been leak in q2 so ye I mean for laptop to just reveal what it gonna be like from nvidia
I seen rtx 4090 leak on Microsoft new in somewhere Q2 it show the design gonna be same just like geforce 30 series which is true but the geforce 40 is bigger that all it change
boreal creek
I got a question but its not about tech more about websites
Google doesent have the answer
I was watching a football game on my computer on one of those livestraming websites so when the game was over i closed the tab and there was porn on the pc open i dont watch it i didnt open it does the website do it? And whi would it
Mods pls d9nt delete
molten flame
midnight crypt
something tells me you were watching on some shady site
toxic wigeon
Good lord. O.o
toxic wigeon
Holy the g502x is 89 grams.
molten flame
nocturne drift
Hynix A die
prime jasper
does this game utilize more cores or what
just get 7700x if you are gamer xD
13900k also throttled in testing with high end AIO
hitting 100C
woah
also it took 17 seconds to hit tjmax
21C room temps so people with hot climate could be much worse
toxic wigeon
Intel does it again!
midnight crypt
nice and toasty 100c
quick locust
prime jasper
ah yeah better have liquid nitrogen next to you when operating this chip
13900k + 4090 will be blowing peoples psu
quick locust
does this game utilize more cores or what
Oh rip expected more
molten flame
7800X3D awaits
toxic wigeon
Reckon they might release a 7900x3d with the 800x3d or nah?
molten flame
There's a 7800/7900/7950X3D
Most interesting parts of 13th gen are gonna be the value oriented ones like i5-13400 and 13500
They have E-cores now
i5-13500 will be fast as 12900K in multithread and probably comparable in gaming
prime jasper
13600k seems to be better than 13900k
better thermals better power draw
good gaming results
pale quartz
prime jasper
gonna wait for better reviews for 13600k lol
can't find single one that isnt biased atm
if anyone finds one pls link here
nvm
quick locust
IMC is exact same between alder and raptor
quick locust
13600k seems to be better than 13900k
I get one for free 
pale quartz
fused off*
quick locust
I know
midnight crypt
do people really care for x264
prime jasper
not me
quick locust
Dunno why one wouldnt just use gpu
prime jasper
stress is stress
quick locust
Decent multicore test anyway I guess
pale quartz
Dunno why one wouldnt just use gpu
artifacts
GPU encoding is lossy, it doesn't compete with CPU encoding in quality
prime jasper
RAGE bottleneck
quick locust
Lol just take it out of the list then if you hit a wall
quick locust
GPU encoding is lossy, it doesn't compete with CPU encoding in quality
Can't you do lossless on newer encoders and formats
Like with nvcomp
quick locust
rdr2 still wont hit the engine cap
Pretty decent there
prime jasper
yea its still best in asetto corsa too
molten flame
Flight Sim too
molten flame
pale quartz
Can't you do lossless on newer encoders and formats
yes, but it isn't actually lossless
the reconstruction is a fast path
nocturne drift
Gonna be honest
What's the point lol
Intel and amd are prob hitting software limits.
nocturne drift
<a:PepeLaugh:878705348058415154>
Actually no. Raptorlake didn't change much vs alderlake at all. You can still get within 5% of ddr5 with Samsung bdie. However ddr5 is very cheap now in some places so ddr4 bdie is not super worth.
Tbh, we are at the time to buy whatever the F u want
They are fine lol
pale quartz
Actually no. Raptorlake didn't change much vs alderlake at all. You can still ge...
it's not about alder lake
it's about 4 and 5 on RPL
nocturne drift
I know. But rpl architecture didn't change much vs alderlake
And a tuned alderlake vs tuned raptorlake u are looking for what max 5% in gaming?
pale quartz
15%
pale quartz
just look at hardware unboxed's review lol
nocturne drift
I am not talking about stock
pale quartz
frame chasers?
nocturne drift
Stock gonna be alot faster for sure
pale quartz
that guy is a fucking clown
nocturne drift
He is right tho even tho he is a clown
And hardware unbox is a clown himself isn't it
Tbh game now stop scaling much when both zen and raptorlake are tuned. Just pick either
Software limit etc
pale quartz
not really? I mean their results are pretty objective
nocturne drift
So is frame chasers
Frame chaser is a clown for 500 usd consults and unstable oc testing methods etc not his numbers
pale quartz
he's used those unstable methods in his old benchmarks before
nocturne drift
That's a Psu tester?
molten flame
pale quartz
Wtf did evga send me
surprised they didn't sign it with an Nvidia warning
molten flame
nocturne drift
His unstable method is using occt to test ram. We use tm5 3 passes and HCI memtest 300+ %
That's about the only thing he didn't do right
pale quartz
300? must be leaving it overnight
nocturne drift
U can argue max stability on core but that's fine u don't need prime 95 with avx on while moving ur mouse stable
HCI memtest is actually faster mine did 300% in 2ish hours?
Tm5 is about 2-3 hrs
pale quartz
3 passes though that's 6~ hours
nocturne drift
Depends on how fast ur cpu ram etc is mine is around 3ish hrs for 3 passes
Oh and how much ram u have
pale quartz
not bad ig suppose I'm just used to infinite size scaling with 64
nocturne drift
My 8700k took alot longer than me 10850k cause less cores
But yeah if u on alderlake, skip
If u want a new build flip a coin between 7600x 7700x and 13600k 13700k
Doesn't matter.
molten flame
5800X3D 
nocturne drift
If u know how to tune 5800X 3D isn't that fast. But for stock it's awesome.
I think I recommended my 3rd friend to switch to that
She has this BS case that only accepts 2 slots gpu
2.0 slots
So basically most of the 30 series won't fit
molten flame
nocturne drift
So the best bet is a 3070 founders. 2080ti founders.
her goal is cyberpunk so we sticking with Nvidia
molten flame
Used 2080Ti is best value
nocturne drift
Yeah and faster
I am still so happy about my 300 USD strix 2080ti
Maybe I'll flash 1000w vbios on it in a winter day for some memes
nocturne drift
Tbh when u need a 4090 to truly tell the difference between amd vs Nvidia in real life setting for a couple %
We have past the only pick this lol
It's winter time
Undervolt can go to hell
1.1v pinned 3090 all day
prime jasper
😂
nocturne drift
just run an undervolt lol
also testing is all over the place for people
one youtuber says 10%
other says 0
nocturne drift
yikes who did that test?
totally not gpu bottlenecked at all
indeed yikes
also look at the 1% lows
yikes for sure
prime jasper
its linus tech tips video
prime jasper
they used 4090 i think
nocturne drift
this is why I started looking at written benchmark from other countries
but yeah 1% low is much better
honestly wont matter
either one is fine
if we need 4090 to see a couple % difference
whats the point
prime jasper
prime jasper
good luck cooling that
its not like amd where its designed to run hot
it throttles
dry pike
The Gaming CPU throne. Intel conquered it, but at what cost.
pale quartz
your wallet
nocturne drift
My 8700K at 140W full load when OCd aint a furnace anymore
Delid?
My 160+w 8700k delid can be cooled by a push pull hyper Evo 212
Now a smart person like me is gonna grab a 12700k for cheap and max tune it for my friend.
Low 200s usd 12700k
Will be within 5% to 10% of ddr5 13th gen with 100 USD Samsung bdie 2x16
13600k looks like a sweet spot and a true winner.
Buildzoid got it to 5.6ghz Linpack stable.
Linpack stable!
With a 280mm evga clc aio
prime jasper
turbid verge
The Gaming CPU throne. Intel conquered it, but at what cost.
AMD 7000 series owners wont even be cold this winter
nocturne drift
Just undervolt lol
13600k vs 7600X shows intel is not super far behind in efficiency
company just shove voltage and clockspeed for that top spot
I wish know people how to tune stuff
but
there is 12900
so that will prob draw less power
but scumbag intel locked the vccio and vccsa on b660 I assume b760
smfh
13700k just like 12700k will once again be the best for gaming enthusiast
but intel doesnt want to let u know
cause they want that profit margin on the 13900k and make them look good with the 13600k
same every single generation
toxic wigeon
Technically the only people who needs an I9 are the people who need as much as they can get out of it.
For workloads.
nocturne drift
for for those people who got $$
toxic wigeon
Yeah and for that.
toxic wigeon
I'm kinda glad AMD went and did the x3d series cause hey you have a CPU specifically for gaming if you want to spend a bit extra.
nocturne drift
set all E core for streaming and all P core for gaming
yeah 3D is awesome
and if u can get a 13600k LINPACK stable at 5.6ghz on one of the worst 280mm aio
lol
get that
toxic wigeon
Reckon intel might want to copy and shove more 3d cache inside their CPU's or nah?
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fair I guess.
nocturne drift
thats y u see intel wiping the floor in 1% and 0.1% lows even in stock as well
toxic wigeon
How much cache does the 13600 to the 13900 have?
I saw the lows on the nexus video and fuck me.
nocturne drift
24 MB Intel smart cache 20 MB total L2 cache for 13600k
toxic wigeon
That's actually not too bad.
I'm sort of still learning these things but what's the difference between Smart and l2?
nocturne drift
36 MB Intel Smart Cache and 32 MB total L2 for 13900k
CPU Cache is an area of fast memory located on the processor. Intel® Smart Cache refers to the architecture that allows all cores to dynamically share access to the last level cache.
basically bypassing ram
this is why when both tuned alderlake and raptorlake are not super far apart
the high ram speed making the cache upgrade less relevant
toxic wigeon
Got it.
nocturne drift
lets say the best 12900k I encountered is 5.3ghz all P core
13900k lets say u oc it to hell 5.7ghz all P core?
12900K
30 MB Intel Smart Cache
Total L2 Cache 14 MB
yeah in most game rn ram speed stop scaling super hard past a certain speed
same as core clock
what I think intel might have advantage is DDR5 and DDR4 ram compatibility for content creation and game
4x32 on DDR4 is not too hard to run cause maturity
and extreme users can do 4 sticks of DDR5 on raptorlake I assume at a decent speed that doesnt completely neuter their gaming performance
nocturne drift
the funny thing is a good bin 12900k at 5.3ghz all core in cinebench drew 280w
I personally tested it
13900k uses 310w? at 5.5ghz?
not much improvement from alderlake in this perspective
on the P cores at least
nocturne drift
😂
This test was a XTU bug
other results are similar and this is wrong
both PCworld and Bizude
and also de8buer
buoyant sundial
i want vehicle with flames ples and they glow in the dark or fluo·res·cent
pale quartz
Reckon intel might want to copy and shove more 3d cache inside their CPU's or na...
they don't use 3d cache they use tiles, its just a cloned approach to stacking that intel decided to do by poaching AMD engineers
and "smart cache" is just a bs marketing gimmick for saying that cores can access the same hit as the last one, it's nothing exceptional and it's existed for years in servers
molten flame
Still nuts that AMD did 3D stacking way before Intel and kept any info from leaking out
Legit no one had a clue about AMD doing 3D stacking until it was revealed at Computex 2021 with Zen 3D
pale quartz
Legit no one had a clue about AMD doing 3D stacking until it was revealed at Com...
this isn't true
it's been known for years actually
they've filed patents involving TSVs way back in 2019
molten flame
nocturne drift
I actually think amd finally will take the gaming crown with this.
After all these years.
Also I just got a 13600k for a friend
Will see how much the memory controller on the 13600k is
Pairing with a z690 msi a pro.
Also got a Nvidia 3090 FE for 700 USD
My friend's build is coming nicely
dense urchin
would a R9 3900x and a 3060ti be fine together ?
nocturne drift
Sure.
For gaming u can do 5800X instead
3900X is super good at muti threaded work load but it's not super fast in gaming.
3060ti is about a 2080 super
So it's somewhat balanced.
molten flame
3060Ti with G6X memory basically is 4060 replacement
prime jasper
I actually think amd finally will take the gaming crown with this.
Probably. If it's anything like 5800x3d the gains will be large
molten flame
Heard Zen 4 benefits more from 3D cache than Zen 3
prime jasper
then it will be fast af boiiii
molten flame
nocturne drift
Gotta wait and see.
This guy is peak.
He listed 125 dollars. I was like aight I'll do 125.
Now he want to do 150 instead
2x16 b die
I was like what?
Bye
I am gonna ask to by a product and tell u to raise the price on me by 25 bucks
No thanks lol
prime jasper
yes
molten flame
RDNA4 may be RX 9000 series
molten flame
Ordered Gigabyte X570SI motherboard, ASRock board I had backordered got delayed so canceled it
I hope it has BIOS updated for 5000 series... been seeing so many reviews of people buying X570 and B550 and not having support for Ryzen 5000 out of box even recently
Which is nothing less than pathetic
prime jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-2ArdYvfA seems like the i5 is good once again
dense urchin
honestly fuck the AMD mounting bracket
been here for like 20 mins trying to put this shit on and I’m about to dash it out the window
nocturne drift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-2ArdYvfA seems like the i5 is good once again
isnt 11600k 12600k 10600k all good?
storm osprey
Good but amd generally had better value
molten flame
Stock 5600X was comparable to stock 10900K in gaming
5800X and 5900X slayed entire 10th and 11th gen in gaming
storm osprey
nocturne drift
5800X and 5900X slayed entire 10th and 11th gen in gaming
when tuned they fall just behind but I get what u are saying
I think 5800X is faster than 10700k but slower than 11700k when tuned
10900k is about equal with 5950X
and 5900X falls behind 5800X
a tuned 10900k was the king of gaming till 12th gen intel, great lows, easy all core oc without worrying about cpu dying, insane memory controller.
molten flame
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-mobile-lineup-leaks-out-rtx-4090-coming-to-laptops
4090 mobile
toxic wigeon
So what's a good CPU cooler that's cheap and can oc a 5600x to a fair level?
storm osprey
So what's a good CPU cooler that's cheap and can oc a 5600x to a fair level?
Thermalrite peerless assassin
toxic wigeon
Can't find it here in Aus...
Reeee.
The main stores don't have it I need to properly look when I get home.
storm osprey
Shame. It’s 35 bucks here and stupid good.
toxic wigeon
I found one and it's 70 dollars which isn't bad at all.
But the fans aren't really that expensive anyways.
I can get a black noctua cooler for 150.
storm osprey
We might have to deal with questionable presidents, racism, gun lovers and what not, but we got shit and we got it for cheap.
nocturne drift
So what's a good CPU cooler that's cheap and can oc a 5600x to a fair level?
Amd stock cooler
With decent thermal paste
And no, I am not trolling
The way you oc a 5600x is pbo2 curve optimizer
Zen3 is very power efficient so it really doesn't draw alot of power
I personally tested 5600x stock cooler vs 240mm aio. In cinebench stock cooler is with in 0.15ghz of 240mm aio.
-30 on CO. +200 boost
Pbo limits was 110w everything for stock and 150w everything for 240mm aio
Platform thermal throttle limit 85
dense urchin
so i just have my motherboard attached with a 24 pin connector and the 8 pin connector, when I turn the power on, the lights on the motherboard flash and then go off, is this a sign that my motherboard is basically fucked ?
I’ve literally unplugged everything else from the motherboard
prime jasper
so i just have my motherboard attached with a 24 pin connector and the 8 pin con...
user manual usually has explanation for the error lights
it's RAM or gpu related most of the time
most common error might be RAM not seated correctly
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-22-10-2 new drivers for radeon
seems like some nice fixes for rx 6000
just bit too late tho imo
midnight crypt
pretty sure the new ones also broke a few things
prime jasper
probably
pale quartz
pretty sure the new ones also broke a few things
only thing is elite dangerous, nothing in this one caused any other new issues though
midnight crypt
impressive
nocturne drift
Nvidia finally fixed the 2077 map glitch
But yeah nice fps improvement
Still a clown for making the most % gain for a game then making it unplayable for a week.
nocturne drift
No. It's when you open the map it's all just a white screen. Like how you get flash banged in cs go
molten flame
Asus premium brand
quick locust
Same tech just antenna difference
ASUS is directly on the card while Gigabyte one can be moved around
They both use the same Intel AX200 card
candid flame
MSI is doing a halloween sale in OCE
toxic wigeon
owo
prime jasper
Way did you just owo
toxic wigeon
Yes.
candid flame
preparing for the cyberwar
quick locust
higher margins
quick locust
prime jasper
Has anyone other than shills (as in the job aka marketing folks etc) ever used mac for anything useful
naive patio
Has anyone other than shills (as in the job aka marketing folks etc) ever used m...
Good laptops for power to price in my opinion. The new MacBooks are pretty great IMO. There is no need for the desktops though
pale quartz
Has anyone other than shills (as in the job aka marketing folks etc) ever used m...
I use the M1 Mac, good laptop for casual users, the best even, don't consider it if youre wanting to use it for x86 platforms though
molten flame
Over 2 years later and Apple still using 5nm, Nvidia gets 4nm before them (yes I know practically same node)
dry pike
lol, like only very few systems go completely straight with the cable for 35mm before the cable bending in any direction. Wtf. is that 4090 power connector even 😄
pale quartz
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kRkjUtH4nIE
I and the SIG organisation warned about this, thank nvidia for their decision to pump power this generation
there will also be some cards that set on fire aswell
the connector is not designed whatsoever to handle the voltage requirements of the 4090 you're just asking for black tar to rise
dry pike
worse built connector handling twice the amount of power per pin, what can go wrong 😄
dry pike
Nvidia would redesign the Titanic without the double bottom then use thinner metal plates for the hull.
toxic wigeon
I saw a 3090 stacked ontop of a 4090 and Jesus fuck.
I thought the 3090 was large.
Considering how big the 4090 is it should at least be leagues better than what we have now.
Just a lazy "innovation"
nocturne drift
My friends 13600k just did 5.5ghz all P core 4.4ghz all E core, 4.8ghz ring. Absolutely demolished 5900X and 7700X in cinebench
Daily voltage as well
THE go to cpu for gamers
U don't need to disable the e cores anymore.
Ring clock now goes up to 5ghz with e cores enabled.
Now intel has no weakness
prime jasper
it's indeed good
pale quartz
Now intel has no weakness
minus them physically not making enough margins that they're cutting thousands of staff
nocturne drift
minus them physically not making enough margins that they're cutting thousands o...
I'm talking about 13th gen cpu haha esp 13600k
pale quartz
push hard enough there's always a weakness
nocturne drift
Just happy no more disabling e cores for gaming
Also stock intel chip is a furnace
pale quartz
dual support for 4 and 5 on raptor lake artificially limits it's maximum potential, second is dead end platform support etc
nocturne drift
I like dual support ddr4/ddr5 the people who needs crazy amount of ram can do ddr4
Matured and easy to run.
the people who complain that I need more ram 64 gb or 128gb etc and ddr5 enable xmp wont work/ wont work etc. bruh there is DDR4
they expect ddr5 to just mature immediately?
nocturne drift
less money tho
im just glad pc gaming is cheap now
13600k 2tb gen 4 nvme 32gb ram 3090 pc build for 1500 USD
prime jasper
less money tho
depends how you look at it
as you need new mobo if you want to go ddr5 later
nocturne drift
wont u want at least another gen with new mobo if u wanna do that?
like 14th gen etc
nocturne drift
Nice.
Is 5600 120 as well?
Decent super budget pairing if u don't Dab in the 2nd hand market
molten flame
2nd hand market is literally just like $20-50 off retail value unless you're looking at older gen cards like RTX 20 or GTX 10
Hell 2nd hand 3070s cost more than retail on eBay lol
prime jasper
Rx 6600 is 300€ so not as much as i thought
nocturne drift
I see 4 3070 for below 400 rn on fb marketplace
molten flame
Everybody on marketplace here trying to rip people off
nocturne drift
6700XT for 280 is soo good
someone selling samsung c die ram as samsung bdie
and charge 199 for 2x16
I asked him why u lie he said oh, plenty overclockers brought it and it says bdie on thaiphoon burner
molten flame
there will also be some cards that set on fire aswell
Multiple users already reporting that their 4090 has caught on fire
GPU hasn't even been out for 2 weeks
Whoever looked at those tiny pins on the 12-pin connector and thought that they would be safe enough for high currents/voltages should have their certification in electrical engineering revoked
molten flame
Nvidia asked Johnny Guru to design the power adapter for RTX 4090, but Nvidia never actually provided him a GPU to work with nor any complete information
Nvidia is very incompetent and has no quality control
nocturne drift
ngl their 30 series is jokes
guess ill wait even longer to get the 4090
I guess my friend's 3090 fe is fine lol it only draws 400w not 600w
toxic wigeon
So a question for the AMD side of CPUs.
In a scenario in 5600x vs a 5900x. Does the 5900x have better quality cores over the 5600x or does it simply have more of the same?
pale quartz
So a question for the AMD side of CPUs.
In a scenario in 5600x vs a 5900x. Doe...
former
toxic wigeon
That's fair.
nocturne drift
EA app kinda trash ngl
Everytime I open 2042 pops up a power shell saying compatibility mode
Wth
prime jasper
Buggy app
ivory creek
im thinking about buying this ram kit as i only have 16gb right now but i cant really find if they will work with msi x570 unify and 3900x . it just say that its made for ryzen cpus
toxic wigeon
Yeah that doesn't matter. I have the exact same kit and it works.
toxic wigeon
As long as your board accepts ddr4 and so does the CPU (CPUs made in 2014 onwards to 2021) there are zero issues to be had.
nocturne drift
Will work
ivory creek
thanks
dry pike
If you want stability with DDR4 then not going with RGB memory helps. Guess it makes sense, the LEDs do take up a little current after all.
nocturne drift
Rgb heat too
vestal phoenix
Hey
Can anyone one help me ?
I want to install BF3 in my laptop
And I’m not sure if my laptop could handle it
Could anyone help me with this ? Send a any message here and I will contact you in DM
molten flame
prime jasper
nice
ivory cobalt
Hi! I'm experiencing a "keyboard lag" where I'll be walking around in game and my WASD inputs don't take effect for a few half seconds, meaning that I can fully remove my hand from typing and i'll still be walking around. (usually fatally) The curious part is that my aiming has no lag so it seems like mainly a keyboard issue. I've tried different keyboard with no change. I'm running above rec. specs so I'm puzzled. I followed some basic troubleshooting like Filter keys and changing the keyboard "Character Repeat" but still notice the issue. Any thoughts?
storm osprey
hot damn
prime jasper
XESS seems like it needs a lot of improvements
toxic wigeon
Damn mutahar got a 4090 and he's sort of enjoying it.
Would be a good card if it didn't have shit power.
quick locust
Ya 450W
toxic wigeon
Honestly it's not even that. I mean the power pins.
cursive marten
I'm glad that AMD is not going with the kind of cable that the 4090 has.
quick locust
Ya quite a mess there
Also some have gotten A770 and A750 from contest but others like me has been delayed some weeks
short pawn
How to clean gpu fans on the inside where it can't be reached
quick locust
180 to 185 fps encoding h264 on vega 10 compared to 80-85 fps on 3700U cpu
quick locust
How to clean gpu fans on the inside where it can't be reached
You can take the shroud off
But compressed air is usually enough if theres enough pressure
storm osprey
midnight crypt
thats a pretty good video
molten flame
I've only had it for six months <:CursedCat:869694866752405554>
Depends on the games you play
X3D is 15% faster on average, but in simulators and strategy games there is a massive uplift
storm osprey
also depends on your gpu, if youre running a 3060 then performance increase wont be that big
nocturne drift
If u have an am4 platform 100%
If ur cpu bottlenecked
It's a great cpu
If ur building new. Horrible idea when 13600k exist
young grove
also depends on your gpu, if youre running a 3060 then performance increase wont...
I have a 2080 Super right now. So probably won't see a big increase?
young grove
Thanks for this. The only games I play ATM are 2042 and CP2077.
storm osprey
i wanna say a 2080 super is slightly better than a 3060
which at that point doesnt seem like a worthwhile upgrade to me
molten flame
Yeah would need at least a 3080Ti to notice any differences between modern CPUs
young grove
Good to know. Thanks again 
molten flame
RTX 4090 gets bottlenecks by every CPU in existence unless running 4K ray-tracing
nocturne drift
2080super is like a 3060ti
if u have 5800X its already very balanced build
no need to upgrade
delicate kindle
wtf is happening to my pc, for months it's been acting so strang
where do I even begin
Mainly games will lag even though they shouldnt, I have a GTX 1070 and i7 7700 and games like COD use up my entire CPU even on the lowest settings
pale quartz
you're on an 8 thread processor
and your GPU is over half a decade old
times have moved on
delicate kindle
I know my PC can handle the game
pale quartz
you're wrong sorry bud
delicate kindle
Because it occasionally runs at 100+ FPS for a minute or so
pale quartz
doesn't mean it can handle it
delicate kindle
and then starts lagging again
pale quartz
your framerate has nothing to do with your utilisation
delicate kindle
also my task manager shows it at ~60% usage but my xbox game bar shows it at 100
pale quartz
yeah cause you're maxing all your threads periodically lol
upgrade your issue goes away simple as
delicate kindle
5head
pale quartz
then don't blame the game
storm osprey
Mainly games will lag even though they shouldnt, I have a GTX 1070 and i7 7700 a...
you know the lower the setting/resolution the more cpu dependent you are right?
delicate kindle
you know the lower the setting/resolution the more cpu dependent you are right?
wtf
why
pale quartz
because how much you are bound by your GPU decreases and the main threads push framerates
you're heavily bound on both so it's not going to make a difference either way
subtle osprey
I just ordered all the parts to build my first computer and the comments farther above don't make me feel great lol.
storm osprey
always best to ask for help for builds imo
pale quartz
^
subtle osprey
I got a 3080 and a 5800X and someone above is saying 5800X is not good anymore?
storm osprey
5800x is good
subtle osprey
I talked to like 20 people lol
pale quartz
dunno who said it's not
storm osprey
5800x3d is just better
pale quartz
the x3d is the obvious buy right now at current prices it stomps the 5800x in more or less every situation, but the main processor is fine
subtle osprey
Okay, all is good then 🤣
storm osprey
just from your small tidbits of info, you have a balanced build that is good
you just could have likely used money in better ways
but thats like going from 9/10 value to 9.7/10, not really anything to be concerned about
subtle osprey
This was my build, except for the CPU cooler I changed and went with a liquid cooler
Shit nevermind I can't send images in here
delicate kindle
you know the lower the setting/resolution the more cpu dependent you are right?
Also games like Grim dawn with very low system demand lag just as much as games like COD
pale quartz
grim dawn does not have low demand at all
storm osprey
without putting together a list myself id say thats nothing to complain about. only "obvious" swap i would make myself would be the 970 evo plus, just because you can likely save a few bucks and get similar performance
pale quartz
it's huge
subtle osprey
without putting together a list myself id say thats nothing to complain about. o...
Yeah I'm happy with it, met my budget and still was able to upgrade the cooler to a Liquid cooler so I'd say it came out okay
storm osprey
like i said, theres only slight optimizations to be had
you could have done much worse...
pale quartz
the list seems fine dunno what the people you were talking too were whining about
if they were suggesting 13th gen there's a point but nothing inherently wrong with that list
can always slot in a x3d in the future anyways
subtle osprey
Thanks guys.
delicate kindle
grim dawn does not have low demand at all
Recommended system requirements:
4th gen or higher processor
6 gb ram
Geforce 500 series or better
pale quartz
which isn't that much faster
delicate kindle
It also says "i-series or better" which I assume means even an i3 is enough?
pale quartz
no, you're just assuming wrong
the I series has different core counts depending on the generation it has nothing to do with "you need an i3"
delicate kindle
I also noticed that when I did a 3dmark test, my system rated far lower than others with the exact same specs
nocturne drift
Prob ur cpu cooler went bad
nocturne drift
I like that
10900k moment
perfect 10
I wish there is 13900X or smth thats 10 P cores and 0 E cores
molten flame
Sucks that it's impossible to put P-cores where the E-cores are because of design
8 P-cores is all we're going to see from Intel until like 15th/16th gen
Meteor is 8P, Lunar is 8P
nocturne drift
yeah
big F
I guess its not too bad now consider ring clock is fixed but I want this to be consistent across all gen
also the thread director is working very interesting
nocturne drift
when I was using the 13600k anything thats not in the foreground feels abit slower to load
its the windows yeeting those to the E cores
idk how I feel about it tbh
molten flame
7800X as fast as 5950X in multi-thread
7300X has 32MB L3 cache damn a lot for a 4-core
nocturne drift
wait for zen 3D
molten flame
7300X has same amount of cache as 7700X, which can't be right because when you disable cores you also disable the cache to that core afaik
nocturne drift
zen4 is DOA
unless u are at microcenter
cause the free DDR5 is back
and 50 dollars off when u get zen4 with compatible mobo
that actually a decent deal
molten flame
We should have seen a 7800X3D when the platform launched imo
nocturne drift
but that would make zen4 even more ded
molten flame
They are giving Intel the chance to have best performance and best value
3D cache products can only compete
AM4 sales still dominate the market, lots of AM4 motherboards are marked up in price because of demand
There is a shortage of mini ITX AM4 boards rn
toxic wigeon
Don't understand why they don't release the 7800x and 7900 at release, Releasing the 7600 and 7700 later on.
Guess it's fucked either way.
mystic flax
4090 ti owners watching their 2500$ graphics card burst into flames: 🔥
toxic wigeon
I feel awful for those people because fuck.
mystic flax
I don't, not when history repeats itself
molten flame
AMD said they're working on AGESA to handle oddly numbered CCX/CCD core configurations
nocturne drift
early adopters
molten flame
So 7800X could likely be true
nocturne drift
mystic flax
After fix
4090 ti owners seeing their electric bill: 📄
prime jasper
Largest store here sold zen4 last time two days ago 
nocturne drift
never ever be an early adopter
history always repeats itself
how many people got yeeted on alderlake+ ddr5
how many people broke zen3 cpu cause they cant take voltage
how many people crash in game when 30 series launch due to cheap azz capacitors
how many people saw their rdna 2 gpu how horrible lows in games at the beginning
like LOL
people cant w8
prime jasper
I had 5700xt i was basically extended beta tester
Not good for 3d
Probably good for mining idk
nocturne drift
yeah always wait for architecture maturity, ram maturity and even after that wait another month after reviews
molten flame
Those matured raptor-lake chips next year probably hit 6 GHz regularly
13900KS probably will get hammered by Zen 4 V-cache tho
short pawn
My gpu fans stopped spinning
lofty light
They do that if they're not being used heavily enough, at least on mid/high end ones
short pawn
They do that if they're not being used heavily enough, at least on mid/high end ...
Fixed it my driver was just being crap and trapped the rpm at 0
To note I was using msi afterburner to change speeds