technology

[pale quartz]

what do you mean doesnt matter, its entirely relevant to why DDR5 scaling is much better than 4

[nocturne drift]

DDR5 is not tho.

https://youtu.be/239u3OVw0MM

[pale quartz]

no - it is, desyncing the clock isnt something you can do on DDR4 without tanking performance, and its because of.. 4 lol

[nocturne drift]

Literally video proof

[pale quartz]

this video doesnt mean anything, it has nothing to do with memory maturity

[nocturne drift]

He is using hynix a die vs hynix mdie vs Samsung bdie

Look at the performance difference

[pale quartz]

hes using samsung b die that was produced, 2 years after DDR4 launched, which is the point of memory maturity

you keep talking about performance, now, it is redundant to the topic

[nocturne drift]

He is also using hynix a die. 2 years after DDR5 launched

Watch the video

[pale quartz]

on no mainstream platform

its not a comparable equation

[nocturne drift]

What do u mean no mainstream platform?

[pale quartz]

no mainstream platform, its what it says, the b die is 2 years after DDR4 launched, on a platform, not when it was physically made

and this is the point - because the AGESA for ryzen is specifically tuned, over time, with preset settings for x clock

[nocturne drift]

So? So ur saying when ddr5 8000 comes zen4 will magically run that and be faster? Even tho in this video ddr5 pretty much stop scaling after around 7000?

[pale quartz]

im not saying it will magically run it

im saying that there's no reason why it wont run it, and if it does, dependent on processor binning of course, the DDR4 memory will lose

[nocturne drift]

DDR4 lose right now against hynix m die. But we are not talking about ddr4 vs ddr5. That's not my point.

[pale quartz]

tuned samsung b die, will lose against it

[toxic wigeon]

It's like running Cl16 3600 on a R5 1600. It will run it. Albeit being overkill.

[nocturne drift]

It lose right now against hynix m.

But the current zen4 can't even take advantage of hynix m.

And u think it can take advantage of hynix a?

LOL

[pale quartz]

i dont know what you mean by take advantage

[nocturne drift]

U are blaming the ram kit when the cpu and mobo can't handle it.

[pale quartz]

there is no evidence as ive said before that it cant handle it

POST requests dont even check if the IMC can handle it

[nocturne drift]

So I am gonna take ur word over skattebencher.

Sure!

[pale quartz]

why would you do that? hes saying, the processor, cant, which hes right, because it doesnt boot - the fault of liability is a separate topic

i expect you, of all people to know that you cant check IMC stability until there is a functioning system

[nocturne drift]

I expect you, of all people to know, actually I don't. You don't tune ram.

You don't know much about ram tuning at all.

Why do I even bother.

[pale quartz]

lol yeah not like ive tested samsung b die micron e rev with x2 x4 tcrd blah blah what not

[nocturne drift]

You don't even know anything about ram speed.

[pale quartz]

keep up the false character assassinations ig, it doesnt change anything

[pale quartz]

funny that because you didnt seem to know why ryzen locks to 1:1 by default to begin with

[nocturne drift]

It pains me to see how little you actually know about ram

[nocturne drift]

Lol sooo convincing.

[nocturne drift]

Yeah u keep up the character assassination as well

[pale quartz]

its pretty fucking important to memory to know

[nocturne drift]

You didn't even know the speed bins of Samsung bdie before that's very important to know.

[pale quartz]

what the fuck are you talking about

like actually what are you talking about

this topic was about DDR4 vs 5 and youve went and wondered off into hyperspace

[nocturne drift]

When was the topic about ddr4 vs ddr5?

U made it that.

[pale quartz]

since the very fucking beginning

a 12700k with tuned b die

vs ryzen 7000

[nocturne drift]

That's not ddr4 vs ddr5

That's 12700k with mb + bdie vs 7700X with mb + hynix m

[pale quartz]

which is?

[nocturne drift]

Which is That's 12700k with mb + bdie vs 7700X with mb + hynix m

[pale quartz]

what is b die

its a simple question

[nocturne drift]

If I want to see hynix m vs bdie there are video there already

[pale quartz]

on the 12th gen platform, what specification of memory is b die

[nocturne drift]

How is that related to the topic?

What specification of memory is bdie?

What?

[pale quartz]

which, DDR version, is the samsung b die

[nocturne drift]

So which cpu is 12700k?

Simple question.

[pale quartz]

..

[nocturne drift]

Which cpu is 7700X. Simple question as well.

..

[pale quartz]

so its DDR4?

yes or no?

[nocturne drift]

Is 12700k intel yes or no?

[pale quartz]

lol your refusal to answer speaks for itself

which is why you cant cross compare generations of memory scaling like this

[nocturne drift]

lol your refusal to answer speaks for itself

Which is why you keep ignoring the platform vs platform, what's the best ram configuration for gaming.

[pale quartz]

its literally, a non answerable question

do you not, get that

[nocturne drift]

You do you as well. No problem.

[pale quartz]

12th gen supports both ddr5 and 4

big surprise those exact same dies are going to perform very differently to one another, on the same platform

[nocturne drift]

Big surprise they don't.

In gaming.

Literally in the video

[pale quartz]

they dont? so tuning b die on ddr5 is the same as 4?

no of course not

[nocturne drift]

Of course it is.

There are 2 videos.

[pale quartz]

lol yeah best of luck getting a negative 4 on trc ddr5 b die which is barely out

[nocturne drift]

https://youtu.be/Ou55IExG3Z8

[pale quartz]

whats the only problem here?

[nocturne drift]

What

[pale quartz]

how long, have people had to tune ddr4 b die

to get to this point in its maturity for tightening

[nocturne drift]

Lol that's ur argument?

LOL

[pale quartz]

its the entire meaning behind memory maturity

[nocturne drift]

Now saying about memory maturity again. When boards and controller can't even handle the current maturity level.

And even when it does on hynix A die. No big difference. U can check the video in our long conversation above

[pale quartz]

yeah big surprise, but timings can be changed, and even if they supposedly cant handle it, you can get them to post (which reminder there's no evidence the IMC is responsible)

we would know by now if it was because well it would boot but it doesnt so we dont

[nocturne drift]

Bruh the timing are already tightened in this video. People like buildzoid luumii using their msi dragon ball, Asus memtweak azz change it on the fly to push the limits.

[pale quartz]

loosened.. not tightened

which is where desync, is highly critical to DDR5

[nocturne drift]

So u are telling me desync is faster in gaming on ryzen?

Zen4

If I put hynix a die in and somehow get 8000 to run in gaming it will have a performance jump.

[pale quartz]

it will perform broadly the same assuming all things are equal on the frequency in a 2:1, 1:1 situation, the unlock just means you can push frequencies more

[nocturne drift]

Then what's the point?

[pale quartz]

so yes, in a 2:1, depending on the bin of course, it will scale higher

gaming performance? we dont know

[nocturne drift]

OK. Let me see the benchmarks

We don't know.

Nice.

So all this talk is we don't know.

[pale quartz]

yes it has been since the very beginning

its hypothetical situations

[nocturne drift]

Yeah I'm not a hypothetical person. I care about real results.

And I can't wait to see the test come out.

[pale quartz]

nothing wrong with just caring about the results, im sure most folk do

[nocturne drift]

That's the point. I want to see what gets the most fps. Not talking about ram maturity with you. I tuned Hynix M dies they go brrr

Head of esports organization pc it's at 6400 cl28

Wish it's a 2 dimm board tho. Mf 4 dimm board top off

[pale quartz]

testing methodology i think for games on DDR5 will need to change, the weight between latency and frequency per game will become more apparent this time round

the discrepancy anyways

[nocturne drift]

No doubt bandwidth helps. Even the guy testing it says. But with current board and controllers topping off at 6200-6400 cl28 not worth tbh.

Let's spend $$$ on a msi unify X to get to 7000

Let's get 200 dollar msi a pro d4 and 200 dollar hp bdie bam almost same performance

[pale quartz]

yeah data transfers not needing to be unified anymore is a massive deal for games especially, will be interesting to see how things pan out

I've got work but nice chat

[nocturne drift]

Yeah same.

[dry pike]

Did some math on the AM5 prices here

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/PredatorGaming/status/1575787543219650560?t=0TtZYNdvKOo8cx6dUC_vAw&s=19

Predator Gaming (@PredatorGaming)

Introducing the all new @intelgraphics #IntelArc A770 GPU, which we've christened #PredatorBiFrost. Paving the way for a new generation of gaming awesome!

Twitter · Sep 30, 2022, 10:00 AM

wut

[prime jasper]

weird fucking design

[quick locust]

yep

[dry pike]

Doesn't look weirder than AMD or Nvidia to me really

[toxic wigeon]

It's just a typical run of the mill gpu.

[midnight crypt]

its a weird fan combo

[prime jasper]

msi afterburner shows different fps than the game

133fps vs which ever is the actual fps counter on the game

[toxic wigeon]

Got a 5090, figured the aircon was the best way to keep it cool.

[candid flame]

jesus

[prime jasper]

Fake, 5090 hasn't even been released

[lofty light]

Shhhh it's a pre release model

[prime jasper]

[nocturne drift]

These EU prices

[prime jasper]

ye

but im still gonna get 5700X or 5800x and use it few years. 3D if it goes on sale

as i have am4 board too

[nocturne drift]

5800X 3D. Goated cpu when u have am4 for gaming

[molten flame]

Lisa Su said AM4 is still going to see support for the next couple years but that probably doesn't mean new CPUs unless they are doing more refreshes or maybe new 5000X3D variants

Bruh after spending nearly $400 and waiting over a week and having a technician come over twice, I still don't have internet

On mobile data

[prime jasper]

https://www.club386.com/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-vs-intel-core-i9-12900k-at-125w-and-65w/ the gaming results are quite interesting as you can basically run at 65W without performance loss on most games

with both cpu's

[nocturne drift]

undervolt gain gain

[cursive marten]

I was recommended a video about some guy talking about the 4090, and the title was "Gamers don't understand business, and they're proud of it", with the thumbnail being like "THIS ISN'T A SCAM, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED"

[nocturne drift]

4090 is not even the most offensive gpu. The two 4080 is a WHOLE MEME

Zen4 is selling so bad Microcenter is now offering free ddr5 ram at 5600 when you purchase a zen4 cpu

See now that's a good deal

Now I can recommend people to get zen4 only if u are at Microcenter

[prime jasper]

How you know how its selling

Bundles has always been a thing

[nocturne drift]

So they will offer you free ddr5 when you just buy a cpu. Right after launch.

I thought companies want to make the most $

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?sku_list=440818+436501+436535+436527

Pretty good deal tho.

Def recommend

And at 5600 those are Samsung so they can do around 6200-6400 cl34 with very good daily voltage

Microcenter always come thru

[prime jasper]

Don't see free ram there

Only discount

[nocturne drift]

How do I upload photos here

Lol

U can go on Microcenter page and check

https://www.microcenter.com/

First thing u see on top it's in orange

[prime jasper]

Doesn't make your statements true

[nocturne drift]

Right. But it's a logical guess.

When stuff don't go as fast. They bundle. Like when Microcenter bundled the 11700k + z590 Asus prime wifi for 270 months ago.

Soo many people got that bundle. Making 11700k the best budget gaming cpu for a bit.

[prime jasper]

They also bundle stuff that are crap

[nocturne drift]

I don't think 5600 gskill ddr5 is crap

[prime jasper]

Didn't say it was

[nocturne drift]

Although I see gskill ram breaking alot recently.

Basically they are the new corsair

[prime jasper]

But something that's "free" likely isnt very good

Wouldn't be first time they bundle something that doesn't work properly

[nocturne drift]

Then I feel sorry for amd if thats true.

But 7700X + 2X16 Samsung ic ram and gigabyte aorus elite ax for sub 700+ tax. That's not bad at all.

Def gonna recommend this if someone is just buying new and can't wait.

[pale quartz]

the RAM is perfectly fine lol

and yes, it is free

companies do bundle combos all the time for hardware, it isn't anything new

[prime jasper]

You dont know if its good lol stop acting like u know all

[pale quartz]

it's literally gskill 5600

Mazda just told you

[prime jasper]

Microcenter does shady stuff all the time

[pale quartz]

the specifications for the memory are public, it isn't some secret cabal going on

[nocturne drift]

I don't think MC can. They have 30 days return policy no questions asked.

[pale quartz]

^

[prime jasper]

It doesn't matter if the specs are fine if it has problem

Therefore bundle it

[pale quartz]

if it has a problem, it's defective, and fraudulent to give to consumers

you know that's illegal?

[nocturne drift]

The amount of open box 30 series gpu KEKW

[prime jasper]

They did it before

With exploding psu's

[pale quartz]

no they didn't, the power supplies that were bundled before operated absolutely fine, it was a manufacturer defect that was discovered after the fact

and they replaced them all immediately

[prime jasper]

False

[pale quartz]

yeah I mean if it's false take it up with the trade standards body in the United States, I'm sure they'd like to have a word with microcenter lol

[prime jasper]

Its honestly laughable how much biased stuff goes in this channel

[pale quartz]

really because you're claiming there's some sort of illegal conspiracy going on

[prime jasper]

Either its intel fanboys or deco acting like he is genius

[pale quartz]

Mazda is an intel fanboy?

you seriously didn't just say that

get a grip

[prime jasper]

Didn't say nothing

Your brain did

[pale quartz]

Mazda guess the memory's going to set some boards on fire

[prime jasper]

Just wait

[pale quartz]

set it to 2V see if it fries

yeah no lol the only one who's being ridiculous is you

[nocturne drift]

I did that once. I f ed a ddr5 ram last week

[pale quartz]

[prime jasper]

Running business is something you have no clue

[nocturne drift]

my co worker told me its hynix ic

[pale quartz]

you don't even run a business

[nocturne drift]

I type in hynix ic timing

wont work for half a hour.

I got pissed and took the ram out and read the bar code and its samsung

[pale quartz]

oof

[nocturne drift]

MF I broke 1 of the stick

[glass phoenix]

💅🏼

[pale quartz]

I'd be kicking myself

[nocturne drift]

its a custom loop and the hardline is on top of the ram so its REALLY hard to take the ram out

[prime jasper]

Would be surprised how many businesses do illegal bundles

[pale quartz]

how did he think it was hynix?

[pale quartz]

you aren't getting anywhere here, if you think they're doing something illegal go report it to the authorities

[nocturne drift]

6000 cl36. I was like samsung might do this as well but its most likely hynix, since it was 4x16 and ram is really hard to take out I believed

[prime jasper]

Common practice is usa to bundle crap that doesn't work properly

[nocturne drift]

its ok tho amazon got us covered

[pale quartz]

ah that's an f I'd do the same tbh

never note down the actual ic then just assume I remember what it is later on

[nocturne drift]

when hardline custom loop is right on top of the ram sticks

classic

[pale quartz]

is it case constraints with the hardline why it's directly on top?

[nocturne drift]

idk but the case was MAD and I didnt build it

this build has 3 360mm radiator and 9 phateks cheating 30mm thick fans

[pale quartz]

is he trying to cool a space heater or something lmao

[nocturne drift]

it looks like a decepticon

[pale quartz]

things basically sentient with that many fans could hear it across a room

[prime jasper]

There is reason microcenter has 2 stars on review sites

[nocturne drift]

12900k, 3090ti

[pale quartz]

draw under load?

[nocturne drift]

ok a customer need help ttyl

[nocturne drift]

12900k at 5.3 ghz all core 270 watts and 450w for 3090ti at 1.05v at 2100mhz

[pale quartz]

holy shit lmao and kk ttyl

[silver nimbus]

what should i get for a switch/ps5 monitor and another monitor for discord/twitch/watching things.

[silver nimbus]

nvm i found some open box at my best buy that is exactly what im looking for anyone can still answer tho incase someone else has the same question i did.

[prime jasper]

Just make sure the monitor is supported on ps5 because many aren't

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/ps5

[silver nimbus]

was gonna dm it to you but its block, but after 3 google searches of rewording i figured it out that it is

[terse glade]

Not a single 3440 x 1440 on that list

Underrated resolution imo

[molten flame]

My internet provider tells me I need internet to setup my internet, Most counterintuitive thing ever

Hate spending so much money and having nothing in return

Hate it that the ISP told me that everything would be setup and running yesterday and they've been modifying my account yet I still don't have shit

Already had a technician come out 3 TIMES over the span of 2 weeks and they still can't get the job done

Been pacing back and forth around my house for 5 hours trying to find something to occupy my mind, I have to walk down the road just to get a mobile data signal

[midnight crypt]

the withdrawals are real

[prime jasper]

i don't think ps5 supports that

i mean they only recently added 1440p

if you had 1440p monitor it would only be 1080p on ps5

but now you can have 1440p on some monitors

[terse glade]

Maybe they mean that the cables needs to be ready or something. I had a little issue with my provider as well because I have now fibre cable connection and they need like for it 2 routers , one in the floor and one more. And although I ordered 250mbit I only get 95mbit max but my upload is insanely high at 65mbit tho

But I need to call them and tell them I don't get my 250mbit download speed

100 Mbit are enough

I just wanted to test it

[terse glade]

I think I could set it to 2560x1440 on the PS5 if I would want it

I need your help on tomb raider shadow of the tomb

[prime jasper]

Well yeah because they added support in September update

[terse glade]

Pretty much at the beginning, when you connect the ropes to get over that cliff. I don't know what to press to jump off that rope. She always slides back down. I tried it yesterday for literally 30 minutes and became super frustrated

Then I watched playthroughs on YouTube bit they didn't said what buttons they pressed so it didn't enlightened me as well lol

Can I shortly stream and show it what I mean

?

[prime jasper]

keyboard or controller

pretty sure its the jump button

[terse glade]

kb

I will try it again later...

[pale quartz]

you could before, it's just not what people think

it didn't support the resolution natively for output aka content was downscaled

games that were 1080p were internally upscaled to 4k -> downsampled to 1440p tldr

[prime jasper]

Reddit understanding of ryzen 7000

[midnight crypt]

it's accurate

[prime jasper]

nah

[silver nimbus]

lg 27mp59g can someone tell me how to find the stand screw size for this monitor? the open box didnt come with them and apparently i cant google correctly.

[midnight crypt]

skill issue

[prime jasper]

you mean the monitor stand that came with it? prolly hard to find if it didnt have them

[terse glade]

anyone of u from EU already started to heat?

[pale quartz]

the stand is proprietary, so they arent sold separately to the base

[silver nimbus]

idk what the part is called but its part of the mount that connects the monitor to the stand.

[prime jasper]

even if you know the size its hard to get exactly fitting ones

[silver nimbus]

how do i find it out tho. unless im googling incorrectly i cannot find anything on it.

[prime jasper]

monitor arm would do if it has VESA mount

[pale quartz]

are you trying to mount it or put it on the stand?

it doesnt support vesa

[silver nimbus]

toe reveal

so middle picture its the top left and right.

[pale quartz]

those are philips head screws, but youll never get the size without measuring it

the inside are flathead

[silver nimbus]

how would i go about measuring it? and thank you for philips knowledge

[pale quartz]

measuring tape lol

[silver nimbus]

[pale quartz]

youll need the width and axis, as i said its a proprietary design

[silver nimbus]

i found a screw just like it in my tool bag. its just needs to be half its length. thanks dad.

[pale quartz]

✅

[prime jasper]

some will be under 199 probably

[crude pewter]

Someone explain to me why my RTX 3060 is at 100% while playing BF4 at 50FPS

With no other apps open

Usually it’s like 200FPS

[prime jasper]

Check the processes

Whats using it

[pulsar saddle]

have a ryzen 9 3900x some my stable heat is at 55celcius but when i play a game like Ark Survival god the heat increases

still use a RTX2080ti Zodiac card and get 120fps... people telling me i need a better card is a joke xD

[gleaming peak]

@crude pewter maybe bf4 resetted the resolution to 4k?

or set it to that

[pulsar saddle]

most likely needs to check is resolution settings.. know that messes up your fps

[ember cave]

unsure if this is the right thread to use but i've been trying my damnest to figure out a solution to why i cannot drive vehicles/ whenever i man a turret in vehicles it just autofires the entire time. I know about the bug but every post i find is from 2021 and doesnt have the updated keybinding menus in game from master of arms update and trying to clear all the keybinds for me hasnt worked unless im doing something wrong. anyone have any suggestions?

[nocturne drift]

I just traded for a 3090 rog strix

this card is amazing!

[nocturne drift]

drawing 475w playing apex

[toxic wigeon]

Jesus.

My 3080 draws 250 to 350 Watts when playing games.

I'd be scared to see how much it draws during 2042 or cyberpunk.

[nocturne drift]

surprisingly apex drew the most power.

2042 ur most likely cpu bound

this card looks AMAZING just as I remembered

[toxic wigeon]

Actually that's fair.

it asks more from that.

See the power draw through cyberpunk.

That's what demanded the absolute most out of me.

[nocturne drift]

I finally got the perfect 3090

correct load balance almost drawing 500w as advertised. decent bin, no coil whine

runs hot like any 3090 but will get kritical pads and kryonaut going next week

[toxic wigeon]

How good were the Evga cards?

What are you specifically looking for in GPU?

[nocturne drift]

My evga 3080ti ftw3 ran fine. 448w power draw from 450w vbios.

But evga and Nvidia are done so no more 10 years warranty.

So they refunded me

I always look for a msi or Asus card because icue integration

Plus the Strix card looks absolutely amazing.

My first gpu after 970 was the 3070 strix.

That card was a GOD BIN.

Still holds the world #1 10850k+3070 without rebar, win11 nor any ram overclocking.

Then I went to evga. They perform great but they just feels cheaper, no icue integration and Medicore pcb components.

Also load balancing. When a gpu is at full load the pcie power draw and 1. 2. 3. 8 pin power connect all draw power proportionally. I see soo many Asus and evga card that drew weird power making the max power limit well below advertised. For example I see a 3090 evga ftw3 ultra draws over 80w at the pcie slot capping it, limiting the other 3 8 pin power connector power draw. Making an advertised 450w vbios drawing only 360w

[terse glade]

meanwhile my cpu is chilling at 30c lol

apex draws only max 100w on mine but 75fps capped (my monitor hz)

on just desktop and youtube my gpu is at 7 - 14 w

at 27c

idk if thats normal but my rtx 2080s is so freaking economical i hope it never dies :'(

[molten coral]

I hope my 2080ti also lives for another 2-3 years.

[prime jasper]

Anyone use headphone AMP?

[molten coral]

Yeah?

[prime jasper]

which one

im looking to get some kind

[molten coral]

I’ve a Shiit stack, Magni 3+ and a Modi 3.

[prime jasper]

Oh yeah those i was just looking at

[molten coral]

I use it with a DT990 250 ohm

Seems like they upped their prices though as I bought both of them for 200.

Now the magni is 160 and the modi 200

[prime jasper]

yes, bit expensive xD

[nocturne drift]

It will 2080ti is an insane card. It was overpriced back then but it's actually sooo fast.

[molten coral]

I got it for free but 2 ports on the card is dead

So hoping it will last for a bit longer

[nocturne drift]

Oh

Hope it will as well.

[prime jasper]

https://www.amazon.com/Fosi-Audio-Headphone-Digital-Analog/dp/B07VDQQY95/ this would actually be enough for my headphones

and its compatible with lot of things

even with ps5

[prime jasper]

https://www.techspot.com/news/96170-asrock-send-you-replacement-motherboard-if-you-cant.html

[nocturne drift]

Lol

[prime jasper]

asrock being big brain

theres no reason it had to be sticker, its not gonna fly away inside a box

[north goblet]

need help bf2 bomsf 1.63 download

[midnight crypt]

google it

[molten flame]

AssRock

[toxic wigeon]

What kinds of skeletons does AMD have in the closet?

Cause surely its not that clean right?

I do remember that thrax was part of the employee lay-off when they declared bankruptcy.

[visual quail]

Anyone ever had glitching problems with their dualsense joysticks and have to restart their console to fix it? This is my first time seeing it happen.

It’s not stick drift

[loud anvil]

@nocturne drift you have 10850K please tell me is it a good CPU, I have 10900K not good silicone tho, but I have a chance to get a 10850k its just 100mhz slower than 10900k, there is a guy that wants to swap it with mine and pay me some cash on top of it

[nocturne drift]

It's the exact same cpu except it's not the best silicone lottery

If you don't overclock it's within 2% of each other

It's like 8700k VS 8086k, 9900k vs 9900ks, 12900k vs 12900ks.

Same cpu, just one have better bin.

[loud anvil]

I see so, you don't recommend me to switch it cuz really this 10900k cannot go beyond 5ghz

I plan to OC yes

I was hoping that 10850k could be a better silicone

[nocturne drift]

Nope haha. I do see some 10850k beat 10900k but it's very rare.

I see most 10850k top at 4.8-5.1 ghz with reasonable non xoc cooling

10900k I see top off around 5.0-5.3ghz

Mine does 5.1ghz all core but I daily 5ghz cause I am on a 240mm aio

In ur situations depends on how much cash on top and are u upgrading.

If u are getting 12th gen for cheap or 13th gen or zen4 u can save that money towards that or use the extra cash for a better gpu.

[loud anvil]

@nocturne drift Should I PM you and tell you what is the deal not to explain all here?

[nocturne drift]

Up to you, sure.

[toxic wigeon]

So does the 7600x have the same function as the 5600x in that it's a bit better in 1080p?

Err what's the term.

IPC.

[quick locust]

Yes better ipc and clock at same time

And the resolution is just cause you could be gpu limited at higher res

About 13% better ipc and its clocked higher as well.

[pale quartz]

not sure what you mean

[quick locust]

How would we know?

[toxic wigeon]

I mean like.

Shady shit.

Unethical crap.

[pale quartz]

they've definitely done corporate shady stuff, they're a company, no organisation goes by without it, the biggest is their false claims of a core description which they got sued over

their prior leadership had a situation of a game of thrones, much like intel has for a while right now when koduri wanted to be CEO and what not

[quick locust]

Lul

Intels leadership has been a mess until gelsinger

Especially with BK

[pale quartz]

it definitely hasn't changed, there's management within intel that never wanted gelsinger, and they'll do whatever they can to get rid of him

then there's koduri barely hiding the glee on his face that he might one day become the CEO of his rival company when gelsinger goes away

[quick locust]

Sure, but far better than BK

[toxic wigeon]

Learning how pathetic Intel was towards Cyrix and how this intel fanboyism is a thing kinda just... amazes me.

It's amazing that they have gotten away with it.

[pale quartz]

Brian kryzanich?

[quick locust]

Fanboyism is a thing for every company despite how messed up it is

Yeah

I can never spell surname

[toxic wigeon]

What was special about him?

[pale quartz]

meh he was a typical business manager who didn't understand the thing he was working with, intel are lucky they appointed swan after him or things right now would be very different

[quick locust]

Swan was just meant as temporary but he slowly tried to fix things

[toxic wigeon]

Oh CEO in 2013.

The whole Cyrix thing was a thing in the 1990's to 2000's.

[quick locust]

BK Spent money on unprofitable projects and underfunded fabs which has kicked Intel in the butt a lot

[pale quartz]

cost cutting analyst manager who was the guy in charge of creating Intel's stock buybacks and what not culture within top leadership

[toxic wigeon]

Ah.

[quick locust]

Ya

[pale quartz]

tldr is engineering departments got the blame for his wasteful spending, and in turn he tried to squeeze them with the usual corporate cost cutting measures

[toxic wigeon]

Yikes.

[quick locust]

Yep

Which has harmed intel a lot

Swan was temporary transition until they got another along

Intel cutting down on fab spending cause of him surely didnt backfire

[toxic wigeon]

Nvm Intel's issues regarding anti trust.

[pale quartz]

gelsinger funnily enough isn't far off kryzanich

[toxic wigeon]

Could say they're as bad as Nvidia in that regard. But I'm just generalising them both.

[pale quartz]

definitely not Nvidia are an organisation you will not find stealing technologies for their backend

[toxic wigeon]

Oh definitely.

[pale quartz]

they plagiarise artists and what not but they aren't thiefs

[toxic wigeon]

Not full blown thieves ye.

[pale quartz]

Nvidia luckily for themselves anyways don't require to, they've had a decade of leadership under one guy to know exactly what to build

which is also why they've been so successful

[toxic wigeon]

I hope they get brought down this gen.

[quick locust]

Two decades lol

Over

[toxic wigeon]

40 series I think is rather cool for what it brings (DLSS 3.0) but they need to be punched in the gut.

[pale quartz]

I exclude before pascal because of Fermi's.. identity issues

[pale quartz]

won't happen

[toxic wigeon]

I've heard that AMD's 7000 series GPU's will be the same price as 6000.

[quick locust]

His spending is a lot higher for fab development and construction

Even if his large spending doesnt go well with shareholders sometimes

[pale quartz]

he's also axed 7 engineering projects in a year to cut expenditure, the biggest in the company's history

just he was totally honest he was never a saint

[quick locust]

Their shares rn are rip

[quick locust]

Who knows, hopefully

[pale quartz]

close to bit higher

[toxic wigeon]

Tiny bit higher.

[pale quartz]

no not tiny bit

[quick locust]

But if nvidia keeps increasing they have no reason not to do it too

[toxic wigeon]

But versus Nvidia it would be nothing.

[pale quartz]

a tolerable increase

[toxic wigeon]

Ah fair.

[pale quartz]

as much as Nvidia fanboys don't like to admit Nvidia are not a GPU company anymore, and they haven't been for the last 5 years, the dedicated discrete market is an afterthought for them

all they want to do is make money and rightfully so

[toxic wigeon]

What do they do now?

[quick locust]

Datacenter, ai

Higher margins

Client never had as high margins at there

Same for intel if they werent doing horrible rn

Lol

[midnight crypt]

catering to huge companies brings in the big bucks

[quick locust]

Yep

Zucc and Bezos money

[pale quartz]

^ and now a car company

[toxic wigeon]

LOL.

That's kinda funny.

[pale quartz]

it might seem funny but it's true

[toxic wigeon]

But it's legitimate.

Yeah.

[pale quartz]

their revenue's for car clients are expected to exceed $10b within 3 years

[quick locust]

Meanwhile MobileEye

[pale quartz]

they could stop producing discrete GPUs tomorrow entirely and be totally fine, which is what people hoping for Nvidia to magically lose ground in the market forget

[pale quartz]

[toxic wigeon]

Then AMD would dominate the market and have no competition.

No need to improve.

[pale quartz]

no Nvidia would still dominate the market

at best it would take AMD a minimum of 5 years to reach market parity assuming Nvidia stopped producing cards tomorrow

[toxic wigeon]

Wait sorry what do you mean by Discrete.

[pale quartz]

discrete cards by dedicated cards

d(GPUs)

[quick locust]

It would be weird with an intel and amd fight there

But a win for 🐧 users

[pale quartz]

an Intel fight? maybe for the $200 market

[toxic wigeon]

That reminds me.

What do you think of Zen4, Deco. At its current state.

[pale quartz]

ah but no we have fanboy gelsinger coming out as per the usual and claiming arcs drivers are magically finished!

dude needs to be rain checked

[toxic wigeon]

My friend wants an arc card because she needs a cheap GPU.

[pale quartz]

do not let her buy it

[quick locust]

Curious to see how mine will be in kernel 6.0

[pale quartz]

she will suffer far more in time wasted to get anything working than the cost difference

[toxic wigeon]

Eh what's the issue behind it?

[quick locust]

Drivers are a mess

For older apis

[pale quartz]

the drivers are not finished arc has 0 dedicated support for DX11 titles don't work with half of software crashes artifact bugs blah blah

[toxic wigeon]

Ah.

[pale quartz]

in terms of price or?

[quick locust]

I'll try it out in 6.0 kernel

See if itll be buggy there

[toxic wigeon]

Overall. If it's worth getting a b650 with pricey ddr5.

[pale quartz]

depends on the processor you've got

[toxic wigeon]

With the gains you'd get over it.

[pale quartz]

I keep my logic the same that I had 4 months ago

[quick locust]

Would be fun if dxvk peformed better than dx11 and 9 on them lol

[toxic wigeon]

What was that.

[pale quartz]

Zen 3 users/12th gen should skip raptor lake and zen 4 till 4x3d, zen 2 and 11th gen and lower should get the x3d or Zen 4 whichever is more cost efficient

advice hasn't changed

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah that's fair.

When I get lots of spare money and the 7800x3d comes out I'll probably look at it.

[pale quartz]

Q1 next year

[toxic wigeon]

Probably best to what I was originally keeping to.

[pale quartz]

just beware it won't be cheap, but it will stomp everything

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah I'm aware it'll take a bit of time for it come out.

For you that'd be a straight upgrade, No? Since you can OC it and Zen 4.

No.

[pale quartz]

technically? yes, my decision is a bit more nuanced though, I will be upgrading regardless

[toxic wigeon]

What's the minimum CL and MHZ would you recommend for 7800x3d?

That's weird. Check in with EA help.

We can't help with that sorry.

[pale quartz]

isn't a concern people need to worry about cache scaling with DDR5 in performance degradation disappears

[toxic wigeon]

Hearing how hot these new CPU's run is concerning. Even though it's normal for them to it's kinda scary.

[pale quartz]

aka there is no memory scaling

[quick locust]

No idea but this isnt tech support

[pale quartz]

they are very misleading, the processor is not running at these temperatures, they are just 1 or 2 cores

it's how Zen has functioned for years already actually, just the throttle was lifted from 70 degrees to 95

[quick locust]

Jokes on you I run that on all cores on the fireplace I call 8700K

Jk

[pale quartz]

save on your gas bill

[quick locust]

8700K doesnt use much compared to newer cpus tbh

[toxic wigeon]

Doesn't Zen3 have a minimum MHZ of 3200?

[pale quartz]

on memory? nope

oh you mean base clock

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah.

[pale quartz]

yes that's it's target for what cores will be idling at

[toxic wigeon]

What number does the 7000 series want to idle at?

[pale quartz]

it will scale lower periodically etc

[quick locust]

Mine idles at 800 MHz cant beat that

[toxic wigeon]

Lol.

That's actually kinda cool.

[pale quartz]

4.2 iirc

[toxic wigeon]

4.2 being 4200?

[pale quartz]

yes

multiplier is (number)*1000 (4.2 = 4200)

[quick locust]

Just type out the units

[toxic wigeon]

So you can get a Cl32 5400 and have it function just as well.

[pale quartz]

Thz

[quick locust]

[toxic wigeon]

[pale quartz]

essentially yes it will perform better, there's no game that exists that has enough buffer transfers to fill the cache of the x3d parts, and there won't be for at least 5 years

[toxic wigeon]

Perfect.

[pale quartz]

tldr once you remove memory scaling cache takes over (because there are minimal requests that are dependent on tight latency/high bandwidth)

[toxic wigeon]

I do wonder if they'll shove even more 3d Cache into their future CPU's. Psuedo x3d.

[pale quartz]

the 5800x3d will also scale extremely well compared to well every other processor that exists because of it, in time

[toxic wigeon]

Cause I feel like that's the next thing you can do to make your CPU better without actually doing much.

Yeah it's kinda funny to see the 5800x3d beat the 7000 series in some games but that's just how it works out.

[pale quartz]

it's not so simple, the more cache you add, the less you gain

performance right now scales very well, but that's because the cache isn't full

[toxic wigeon]

There's no need to increase it needlessly.

[quick locust]

It's a balancing act

[toxic wigeon]

What good is your CPU with 3d cache if it doesn't have the power behind it.

[pale quartz]

well the answer to that is it would still perform exceptionally well

you can downclock the x3d to 4GHz and it still keeps 90% of its performance, because cache is the main driver for framerates

[toxic wigeon]

Make it run a little cooler.

[quick locust]

Its worse than 5800x in other aspects

Due to lower clocks

[toxic wigeon]

Why did they release an 800x not a 700x originally?

[pale quartz]

meh it's a meaningless change people fretting over 80 and 90 degrees miss the point of why it targets it in the first place

[pale quartz]

better binned SKU = charge higher prices

[toxic wigeon]

Mh.

[pale quartz]

^ aside from that

whether somebody notices the 4 frame reduction, I doubt though

[toxic wigeon]

You'd notice it more in workloads but at that point why are you using an x3d.

[pale quartz]

most ryzen users are already on unstable memory that, that's the reason for their poor performance rather than a 500Mhz drop in frequency

[pale quartz]

ehh, comparatively for games it's anywhere from a 10-40% increase, which is what an extra few minutes to complete a render, so unless you're running cinebench as your full time job it's a non equation

or compiling chrome for a living, which nobody does lmao

[toxic wigeon]

True but still. You'd get a workload CPU. Not a gaming CPU for that.

[pale quartz]

most do both

I've met maybe one person who renders and doesn't play games

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/5VFbvuB8iaw

[pale quartz]

Intel's drivers are FIXED! you can believe everything gelsinger says

he's a bigger fucking fanboy than intels own fanboys

[quick locust]

Gentoo users

[pale quartz]

free and open source through the power bill

[prime jasper]

few days ago had over 25 stock now over -25 stock

who is ordering them all

lol

[pale quartz]

its a limited production part, will have been bought out by rush buyers

[prime jasper]

that's cheapest one here

[pale quartz]

yeah it wasn't going to drop in price from its MSRP, production of it has mostly ceased so there's only what's left

[prime jasper]

they are getting at least one more shipment of them estimated end of this week

[pale quartz]

shipments are delayed backlog wise around 8 weeks, once that ends you'll find it hard to acquire

it still won't drop in price with that either, the demand is still there

[prime jasper]

yea im selling 5700XT and 1600 AF so i have enough to spend

[pale quartz]

best of luck

[quick locust]

Oops

Just gave my phone a surprise shutdown

Dropped it from bench and battery went out

Well well can't have too high uptime right

[pale quartz]

if you leave it on it runs faster

[quick locust]

Pretty hard when the battery drops out when im clumsy

Lul

[nocturne drift]

I recommended the guy who traded me the 3090 to get a 5800X 3D instead of 5900X

He currently has a 3600 at 4.35ghz

[nocturne drift]

The guy had 3600 + rog strix 3090

Cursed pairing.

[nocturne drift]

Very cursed.

60hz

Man the winter weather will be no match for my 500w drawing rog strix 3090.

So I have 3 profile rn. 1100mv, 1025mv and 950mv.

Maybe I'll meme around and see voltage to clock speed scaling.

Power draw as well.

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOYYHNGlLs

[dry pike]

I smell golden sample underclocking 99% wont be able to achieve

[cursive marten]

https://vxtwitter.com/manfightdragon/status/1576768394707161088
https://wololo.net/2022/10/03/released-ps5-kernel-exploit-webkit-vulnerability-for-firmware-4-03/ Someone embed these please

[toxic wigeon]

https://vxtwitter.com/manfightdragon/status/1576768394707161088
https://wololo.net/2022/10/03/released-ps5-kernel-exploit-webkit-vulnerability-for-firmware-4-03/

@cursive marten done.

[cursive marten]

thank

But yeah, the PS5 jailbreak is real

The exploit is unreliable, and it doesn't allow for code execution yet, but it's a thing.

[toxic wigeon]

It's a start.

And Sony are now malding.

[terse glade]

Turning a PS5 into a windows PC with steam would be nice

[midnight crypt]

Can't wait for people to start developing cheats for ps5

[toxic wigeon]

It really depends. Doubt people will wan to risk it.

[prime jasper]

There's always some who will

But consoles get hardware banned

So it wont be larger issue

But then they usually sell the console and don't tell its banned which won't be nice for the buyer

[toxic wigeon]

I know there's some sort of safety net.

But whatever.

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKy7BDZNLfU

TLDR it will but you want resizable bar for best experience

[quick locust]

its just a clickbait title really

resizeable bar has been a thing for 5 years on intel

even my 8700K supports it so

Sure if you're going to put it in a haswell pc or something

[prime jasper]

ye kinda is horrible title lmao

[nocturne drift]

jayztwocents

[prime jasper]

This is what intel lists on their website tho

Additional platforms/motherboards with Resizable BAR / Smart Access Memory enabled may also support Intel® Arc™ A-Series graphics.

Confusing information once again

[coarse nimbus]

a clickbait youtube video? by golly...this is breaking news

[nocturne drift]

My 8700k also supports rebar.

Any z370 and up with updated bios should

Unless ur vendor says f u

[quick locust]

Yup

[prime jasper]

Yes but its up to intel if it can be enabled with those gpu's

[nocturne drift]

They will, arc needs all the help they can get KEKW

[quick locust]

Both platform and gpu supports it

[prime jasper]

In theory should work but who knows

[quick locust]

Ive never used it yet since my 2080 ti doesnt support rebar

[nocturne drift]

Yeah I wish 2080ti supports rebar

:C

[quick locust]

But my board does support it otherwise

[prime jasper]

I've had few builds where for some idiotic reason it wasn't possible to enable it even when both supported it

[nocturne drift]

strange

[prime jasper]

Was grayed out and tried all other settings that needed to be on

I use rebar with 3070 but can't really tell the difference without making benchmarks for it

[nocturne drift]

I only see minor performance differences on certain games.

[prime jasper]

frame times might be little better

on my system

[quick locust]

Ye

Just that arc is much more dependent on it

A770 is a bigger die than 3060 on a smaller node, so a lot more transistors

and more mem bandwidth

just drivers holding it back from performing well

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/samsung-targets-mass-production-of-1-4nm-process-technology-by-2027

Doubt going under 2nm will happen before 2030

3nm already delayed to 2024 and 2nm looks to be 2026/27

[pale quartz]

it's not, the cards work without resizable BAR, you're just sacrificing 30% of your performance in games with it off, those are QVL validated platforms, it's just saying that if an external processor vendor introduces resizable BAR support then it can (it will) work with arc cards

resizeable BAR is a generic implementation of the PCIe standard, it's designed to work universally

[prime jasper]

sure but there has still been problems of it not enabling on some systems

[pale quartz]

they are motherboard vendor related, not related to the arc cards

[prime jasper]

asrock b650 lineup

[quick locust]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1340238/asrock-sabotages-its-own-motherboards-with-ram-slot-sticker.html

[prime jasper]

Asrock said they would send new motherboard if user would have problem trying to remove it

But kinda stupid in first place

[dry pike]

At this point nm is a marketing term, if it doesn't happen you just change the definition of the term so it fits with whatever you got 😄

It is not like 1nm in AMD land is the same in Intel land at this point already.

[quick locust]

Just compare using transistor density

[dry pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=wxKGFxmwcDo&feature=emb_title

found a video that explains what I mean better than I could explain it myself 🙂

[prime jasper]

3D is 70€ cheaper in Germany 😭

[terse glade]

[nocturne drift]

Wait evga ftwe ultra is not the best 2080ti

Msi gaming x trio has 400+w power limit.

I'm fuming.

💀

[quick locust]

you can just put a 2000W vbios on

🔥

[nocturne drift]

That would be kingpin with 540w vbios

[quick locust]

There are 2000W ones as well

Basically no power limit

You'll still be voltage and thermal limited of course

[keen jewel]

hey

is anyone hare able to help me i jus got a pc my friend gave and i need help with bloodhunt keeps doing black screen and then crashes

and idk if its my pc or its the game

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yayAQAC1XiE

12500

kinda funny you can overclock that with specific motherboard

[toxic wigeon]

Lol. Intel making you buy specific motherboards to overclock your CPU.

[prime jasper]

That's basically with all of the intel lineup

[toxic wigeon]

I remember specific chips allowing and disallowing you to OC them.

[prime jasper]

while amd you can buy b550/650 instead of the x570/670

[toxic wigeon]

And how certain motherboards in the past could bypass it.

[candid flame]

new intel gpu is about 250$

nice

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T9d9LM1TwY&ab_channel=LinusTechTips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvdrbxTtVo&ab_channel=GamersNexus

tldr drivers are a bit of a mess and holding it back a lot

in older dx versions

meanwhile dx9

[prime jasper]

good for strange brigade

[pale quartz]

they were never official bypasses motherboard vendors did it themselves, but locking overclocking has been a thing on intel for over 5 years now

[pale quartz]

"a bit" copium

[quick locust]

Worse than early rdna I guess

https://youtu.be/NrhP01tmJaI

[pale quartz]

"unexpected" - quicksync kek

[quick locust]

really shows how poor their drivers are for dx9 and dx11 lol

[prime jasper]

metro exodus seems to also run good

[quick locust]

Yep

It's also a lot bigger die than both of them

Just rekt by drivers a lot

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5my5MbItMOo

[nocturne drift]

Wait so 4090 is abit smaller than 3090 in length but slightly thicker.

Why are the vendors going crazy

Dem cinderblocks.

[quick locust]

Power consumption

Go for waterblock one if you want a smaller card

A 2 slot air cooled 4090 would be a fireplace

[nocturne drift]

I am pretty sure someone can do a 2.75 slot card on a 4090

[quick locust]

Maybe if its long

[nocturne drift]

My Asus strix rog can handle 490w and its not fully 3 stock

And it doesn't look like a cinder block

It's to the point every vendors card shape looks the same

All look like a front of a Bentley.

Except zotac. Kudos zotac lol

[nocturne drift]

One to 4 8 pin adapter KEKW

[nocturne drift]

That's the video I saw lol

[prime jasper]

left 4090 right 3090

[nocturne drift]

Hmm nvm abit thicker haha

Also fk Nvidia

[prime jasper]

The cover on 4090 there is for screw holes for attaching it to the pc case

[nocturne drift]

One of the newer driver update locked system access to control Nvidia gpus rgb via 3rd party program..

So icue can't control my rog strix unless I go into admin mode.

So when I open my pc I gonna close icue. Launch in administration mode

[prime jasper]

Idk why they thought it's necessary to cover the screw holes on 4090

Looks worse tbh

[nocturne drift]

Tryna be apple

[prime jasper]

doesn't really matter to me

never gonna spend that much on gpu

[dry pike]

The Nvidia approach to making a GPU improvement: Add more power and a bigger more complicated heatsink to handle it.

[prime jasper]

I hope RDNA 3 is good

[quick locust]

stock cooler on a770

[midnight crypt]

pretty good

[prime jasper]

Quite balanced temps

Does it have hot spot or similar sensor

[quick locust]

Not sure

This is just what was showed by HUB

https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/1577676969516441600?t=02j_CevHYb4KZdf-_EKi-Q&s=19

Sean Pelletier (@PellyNV)

Drivers are incredibly hard and it takes a monumental effort to deliver the best gaming experience. Here's how we do it for GeForce with Game Ready Drivers.
https://t.co/jGYrxPexQj

Twitter · Oct 5, 2022, 3:07 PM

lol

[prime jasper]

(depending on perspective)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS7HFnNMHCw

i played bf3 with Q6600

[prime jasper]

didn't even know these exist

first time seeing them in store here

[quick locust]

RandomGaminginHD has shown them some times

not too bad compared to others

GN's A770 was built in feb 2022 lol

[molten flame]

Might buy a A750

[toxic wigeon]

Intel was worth its highest back at 2000 what in the fuck have they been doing since then?

Oh wait.

Getting into legal battles.

[terse glade]

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/Locuza_/status/1465810673007566853

Locuza (@Locuza_)

If DG2-512 can really reach 2.5GHz, as claimed by @mooreslawisdead, and sustain that (with a higher power target), then even the 6800XT could be edged out on paper.
Raster perf of 6800XT and 3080 FE is basically the same.
https://t.co/PsgrHPqkmK

2/x

Twitter · Nov 30, 2021, 10:31 PM

[prime jasper]

all of them are releasing new tho

[quick locust]

Yup

Arc was supposed to be out months ago

In Q1 /shrug

Will be a while before they launch mid to low end lovelace and ampere though

But yeah would have been great if they didnt launch this late

🤷‍♂️

[prime jasper]

Is amd releasing full range or just 7700-7900XT

So they have two 7000 series

Can build 7700 with 7700

[pale quartz]

top range only lower range isn't coming till next year

[prime jasper]

5800X3D is now 479€

Slowly dropping in price

[prime jasper]

look at the size of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3si-LpxvbHI

[quick locust]

Yeah lol

Giant

[storm osprey]

i remember people saying nvidia wasnt doing good providing cards to gamers...

[quick locust]

Rdna2 has quite a few good perf to $ cards

But barely made a dent

6600xt, 6650xt, 6800

[prime jasper]

many 6000 series probably went to miners

and sadly many people still think nvidia is just simply faster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4lHgSMBf80

[terse glade]

wait so most people us 30 series now?

[nocturne drift]

1060 still king right?

[terse glade]

must be

because all the chinese gaming cafes use them

[quick locust]

Yep

[nocturne drift]

3060 laptop and 3060 numbers are huge holy.

[terse glade]

i feel old now with my 20 series

[nocturne drift]

Don't. 20 series are actually under rated.

[quick locust]

Its the newest part of my build

8700K old boi but still decent

[terse glade]

[quick locust]

I get a free gpu soon though

[nocturne drift]

8700k is soo goated tho.

U getting a free gpu faster than 2080ti?

[quick locust]

No

A770

So a bit slower depending on what it feels like today

To about the same

[nocturne drift]

damn!

A770!

anyways reason I like the 2080ti is super overbuilt pcb.

even the worst founders PCB is super overkill

so reliability is on lock.

Only thing is micron GDDR6 but most 2080ti I see are samsung

[quick locust]

Dont remember which mine is

I think samsung but unsure

Will check later

[quick locust]

Yup, won it a year ago, hope to get it soon

Will be cool tech to have even with very temperamental drivers

[nocturne drift]

thats hype

from intel?

u won from intel?

[quick locust]

Also quite a bit of merch but idk what it is yet

Yup

[nocturne drift]

id take that 12th cpu hahaha

but congrats!

[quick locust]

Didnt know what the alt prize was until later

But A770 is more different anyway

[nocturne drift]

yeah, def cool tech for sure

[pale quartz]

tak just needs to deal with black screens for the next 2 years

[nocturne drift]

I repaded my 3090

Like - 2c on mem and that's it

F all differences

LOL

[dry pike]

All that means is that your particular 3090 was pretty good already - other cards might benefit more. I remember when I repasted my old 1080, it dropped like 10 c, but if Asus had bothered putting some proper paste on there to begin with that ofc. would not have been needed.

[nocturne drift]

yeah its just gonna run hot drawing almost 500w no matter what

[molten flame]

4090Ti spotted in the wild

[dapper saffron]

That's only half portion of 4090ti , another half is loaded on second truck

[terse glade]

LMAO

[terse glade]

😆😆😆😆

And the PSU will be an nuclear reactor which will be on the third truck

[prime jasper]

my second motherboard indeed supports ryzen 5000

buying 5800X3D makes sense

as i don't need to buy anything else

i just gotta take it out of the box and update the bios with my 1600AF

[quick locust]

oof for amd

[prime jasper]

does any game actually benefit from PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0

[quick locust]

If you have a gpu with 8x 4.0 lanes yes

Otherwise not much

[prime jasper]

seems like it's not noticeable on most games

cs go was prolly largest difference but it was already running over 300 fps

and i dont play that

[rancid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/daft-punk-technologic-creepy-robot-robot-chucky-gif-20490548

[pale quartz]

yes, most games do to some degree, you just aren't going to noticeably see it unless you're bandwidth limited, horizon zero dawn is the biggest example, it will become more acute when directstorage is implemented into games

[prime jasper]

yeah looked plenty of comparisons and not really problem to buy b550 or x570 if i do notice something

[paper breach]

does the EA app still sucks? because anyway will replace Origin soon

source: https://gg.deals/blog/electronic-arts-is-shutting-down-origin-the-launcher-is-getting-replaced-by-the-ea-app/

[dry pike]

Guess its getting out of beta.

[paper breach]

that's for sure, but few times ago somebody told me wasn't that good yet

I hope it will not cause troubles

[quick locust]

https://twitter.com/david_schor/status/1578384225958502401

David Schor (@david_schor)

Horse Creek was shown for the first time. A0 running P550 @ over 2 GHz. Tech bodes well for their Intel 4 process which is currently ramping up. https://t.co/moUWNIwYOx

Twitter · Oct 7, 2022, 1:58 PM

[prime jasper]

what is horse creek

[quick locust]

RISC-V cpu on intel 4

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/7277/intel-sifive-demo-high-performance-risc-v-horse-creek-dev-platform-on-intel-4-process/

[dry pike]

Health advice for 4090 owners

[nocturne drift]

https://noctua.at/en/noctua-presents-na-tpg1-thermal-paste-guard-for-amd-am5

LOL

Thermal paste guard.

[quick locust]

Why?

What's the point

[midnight crypt]

money

[prime jasper]

I mean if it works

[dry pike]

Solving issues creates value, no matter how small the issue

[prime jasper]

lul

[cosmic warren]

If EA do not bring back the old shit that was in the old origin that make the old origin app good vs like something like Steam I probably will just stop using EA app and try to launch without it because that app sucks so much ass compared to the old app.

[toxic wigeon]

Any reason for a crash that comes out of nowhere?

As in a program that closes itself without any prior warning?

[pale quartz]

such as?

[toxic wigeon]

Just a crash where your program closes suddenly with nothing dying.

[pale quartz]

yes it can happen based on any number of things

[prime jasper]

I had that couple times yesterday. Suspect windows update

[molten flame]

https://youtu.be/GNypS8DgFoY?t=194

[toxic wigeon]

You'd think with a new chip set type the gains would be massive.

[quick locust]

Decent lift over 5000, except 5800x3d in gaming

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah that's true.

[prime jasper]

it's way too expensive to upgrade for many

maybe b650 makes it better but can't be too much difference in pricing

intel will have price advantage this gen

and you can use your old DDR4 to save some money

[toxic wigeon]

The whole reason why you'd upgrade to a completely new RAM type is if they're worth it.

People sitting on the 5000 series don't really have any true reason to upgrade.

[prime jasper]

DDR5 still expensive too

[terse glade]

How much more fps you would get coming from 2600mhz ram to 5200mhz ram?

[prime jasper]

real question is why would you run 2600mhz

or do you mean 3600

[terse glade]

my ram is 2600mhz

[nocturne drift]

TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan DDR5 Ram 32GB Kit (2x16GB) 5600MHz (PC5-44800) CL32 Desktop Memory Module Ram (Red) for 600 Series Chipset - FLRD532G5600HC32DC01 https://a.co/d/2XZQAXm

Well this just made Samsung bdie ddr4 irrelevant

Cheap hynix ddr5

TEAMGROUP is insane.

[molten flame]

AMD claims that next year DDR5 will be as cheap as DDR4 is now

[dry pike]

AMD doesn't make memory.

Now if a DDR5 manufacturer said that I would be more inclined to listen.

[pale quartz]

micron and Samsung have already said prices will continue to fall

[dry pike]

good good, already have DDR5 memory though so sadly wont affect me

[toxic wigeon]

Probably worth waiting quite a while for a 7800x3d.

[prime jasper]

That's gonna cost

AM5 is also more expensive to manufacture so it will always remain the more expensive option

Remember when 3600 came

Was affordable

[dry pike]

Got a pair of these

[molten flame]

https://twitter.com/microcenter/status/1578440027255623681?t=jPmlfUPTStO9_tUuFCSu8g&s=19

Micro Center (@microcenter)

You can get 32 GB DDR5-5600 FREE with the purchase of ANY Ryzen (7 or 9) 7000 series CPU! Reserve yours while supplies last!
https://t.co/QorNwAOIHr

Twitter · Oct 7, 2022, 5:40 PM

Bruh

[turbid verge]

yeh because the 7000 series are shit

atm if you want a DDR5 + CPU, Intel has the best offer for its price

[prime jasper]

Lol it's not shit

Its just expensive

[quick locust]

Bad value, parts themselves are fine yes

[prime jasper]

Intel ddr5 motherboards are not exactly cheap either

[nocturne drift]

https://youtu.be/u8dypDm3t2E

Wow so zen4 is actually pretty good.

Yeah amd needs to release b660 cause ddr5 ram is now cheap to the point where ddr4 might be irrelevant if u are tuning and maxing on a budget.

[prime jasper]

cheapest 5600Mhz 32Gb kit 228€ not exactly cheap 😂

[nocturne drift]

I mean at least in US haha

Cheapest hynix m ddr5 is 180? And cheapest 2x16 samsung bdie is 190.

And amd fixed amdip. It almost matched a maxed out alderlake.

So yeah zen4 is not bad at all

Yeah I'm def going ddr5 from now on.

[prime jasper]

where do i find what die each are

[quick locust]

think my D15 is fine for a 13600K?

[nocturne drift]

For ddr5 is very easy, anything that's 5600+ cl32 are hynix m

[quick locust]

Slightly higher consumption than my 8700K

[nocturne drift]

Anything 5600 cl36 are Samsung b

Anything 5200 are micron dog crap