They do, obviously, its space on a CPU die that could be used for other things, but I think the inclusion of an iGPU is a good thing, and AMD using their chiplet design makes it fairly easy to implement it into the package without much extra work. They've had ryzen APUs in the last couple generations and they've been pretty good overall, but its a nice change to just include it as standard, even if they aren't as strong as the APU models were.
#technology
prime jasper
nocturne drift
yes!
pale quartz
They do, obviously, its space on a CPU die that could be used for other things, ...
chiplets do not make it easier than a monolith die to implement a iGPU, as you need to ensure coherency you sacrifice performance for their inclusion compared to using a monolith, both have pros and cons
prime jasper
never thought it would see 192bit card that costs 900 dollars
quick locust
Probably won't be last time lol
civic olive
Hm
strong breach
I dont even care what other problems the 40 series is gonna have
The price itself already had me uninterested xd
crystal hemlock
Has anyone else had lots of device driver issues after this last windows 11 update
marsh gull
The price itself already had me uninterested xd
lol im completely pro-amd
nvidia's such a shitty company
amd actually does some good shit ngl
strong breach
Im just glad i upgraded when 30series came
Would have either skipped 40s or went AMD
If i was looking to upgrade right now :D
marsh gull
lol
i have a 5600x and a 6600: the preformance in 1080p ultra is already so good i dont even feel like upgrading
battlefield 5: 144fps ultra 1080p
apex: 1080p 170fps ultra
strong breach
Yeah that's really good
marsh gull
battlefield 1 regularily goes over the 180 fps mark in ultra 1080p
marsh gull
Yeah that's really good
lol yeah
slightly overclocked my gpu and cpu with pbo2 and it runs like a dream
amd pretty much has in desktop and laptop spaces: more efficiency, cheaper and more preformance
nocturne drift
Has anyone else had lots of device driver issues after this last windows 11 upda...
Yes I rolled back to win10
ocean python
Guys im having problems with my gpu usage and my cpu usage so anyone can help me?
The problem:
Basically my gpu refuses to go over 20% usage while my cpu keeps always 75% usage
(these usages percentages are while playing Battlefield 5)
I dont know if are my specs that are making an bottlenecking and then makin the cpu and gpu usage strange so lemme say my specs
Specs:
1070 GTX
I7 6700HQ
16GB DDR4 RAM
(Btw i play on a laptop but my gpu still is an normal gpu and not an laptop gpu by some reason and also the name of the laptop is Asus ROG G502VS-FY091T)
Notes:
I have absolutely no idea of what is making the cpu and gpu usage so strange but ik that im probably losing fps because of that because i see other people doing tests with the same gpu and cpu and they always get better fps than me i really just want to atleast know what its probably happening
pale quartz
Has anyone else had lots of device driver issues after this last windows 11 upda...
Nvidia drivers are fried due to the recent update, you'll need to wait for Nvidia to release a patch for them
molten flame
Nvidia driver problem? that doesn't exist here 
nocturne drift
Nvidia drivers are fried due to the recent update, you'll need to wait for Nvidi...
Yep I have to revert back to win10
nocturne drift
Nvidia driver problem? that doesn't exist here <:restate:288427536210460684>
Wait till zen4 problems.
Also oloy has hynix a chip ram now.
Some one was even selling them
The are 6800 xmp
molten flame
Wait till zen4 problems.
Zen 4 will have less problems than Zen 1 did for sure
molten flame
Zen 4 cores have been ready for 2 years
engineering samples started popping up before Zen 3 was even announced
pale quartz
Nvidia driver problem? that doesn't exist here <:restate:288427536210460684>
it's because of Geforce experience, it crashes with 22h2
has been an issue for months
molten flame
that's why I never install Geforce Experience when installing Nvidia driver
nocturne drift
It does not crash. It stutters in games
Very badly
My fps goes down to the 50s
Then goes back to normal then goes down to the 50s
pale quartz
no it does, the SDK framework physically crashes lol
molten flame
oof
pale quartz
it doesn't mean the game crashes
molten flame
nocturne drift
now I am not a nerd but can 3D tech be used on GPU?
molten flame
yes
nocturne drift
The only thing amd is bad at is extreme lows and if they can do smth about it they really can get nvidia
molten flame
there is likely going to be a RX 7000 3D refresh, using 3D stacked MCDs on top of the already existing MCDs, this is 3D infinity cache
nocturne drift
I meant gpu
molten flame
I am talking GPU
nocturne drift
interesting
molten flame
Navi 31 has 7 chiplets, Navi 31 3D refresh would have up to 13 chiplets
nocturne drift
yeah when 4090 is the best bang for the buck they cant be excused anymore
molten flame
all they gotta do is thin down the MCDs to get them to fit and be level with the GCD
easy tbh, they already thin down the CCD of the 5800X3D to only 10% of its original thickness to get 3D cache to fit
MCD would be easier to thin down than a CCD
nocturne drift
zen4D vs 13th gen intel + hynix a die would be insane
cant w8 to see
also ngl the asus rog strix 4090 looks horrible
molten flame
Zen 4 3D will wipe the floors even with top binned 13900KS and best tuned memory
regular Zen 4 will fall slightly short or match 13th gen
nocturne drift
I am not sure about that
molten flame
it's true
nocturne drift
u tested them?
pale quartz
there is likely going to be a RX 7000 3D refresh, using 3D stacked MCDs on top o...
there is no RDNA3 vcache SKU
molten flame
there will be in early 2024
pale quartz
no there won't, theres none under development or testing
it's all fake myths don't believe them
getting vcache working on MCMs is much more difficult than processors contrary to popular gamer beliefs
molten flame
I remember when people thought there'd be 3D chiplets on top of the GCD, ain't no way
GPUs get too hot for that
only possible option would be 3D stacking on top of the MCDs
pale quartz
now I am not a nerd but can 3D tech be used on GPU?
the answer is yes, but it's not happening until RDNA4
nocturne drift
that would be ultra cool
pale quartz
MCMs are already a prototype still, AMD would be stupid putting stacked dies on a graphics card this early on
molten flame
those rumors about AMD patents revealing MCM for RDNA3 GCDs were actually for RDNA4 instead
RDNA4 should have multiple GCDs
pale quartz
which is why there's none being done internally
molten flame
does RDNA3 have an answer to Tensors?
I think AMD is adamant about using shader cores for everything
outside of ray-tracing
there is a theory that AMD did test MCM GCDs with RDNA3 but it had too many problems and would delay the generation by at least a year
afaik Mi250X has some issues with MCM design
pale quartz
does RDNA3 have an answer to Tensors?
RDNA uses stream processors
they are asynchronous which means they are functionally similar to tensors operations
molten flame
pale quartz
tensor cores is just a fancy term Nvidia decided to give to associate CUDA with some premium bs feel, before they were called shader (units), and are still responsible on nvidias architecture for handling rasterisation like they've always been
and then gave the marketing clichés of HPC and AI as if they invented them or something, they didn't, shader cores were always excellent for HPC operations as they were optimised for parallelism
short pawn
Razer cortex my beloved
nocturne drift
Isn't that bloatware?
toxic wigeon
prime jasper
That has got to be from Like the 80s
hazy crater
That has got to be from Like the 80s
1880's
molten flame
What's actually making price of GPUs go up is the increased power limits that require much more expensive circuitry, VRMs and cooling
quick locust
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Early-Intel-Core-i9-13900K-sample-overclocked-to-8-0-GHz.648886.0.html
toxic wigeon
8.0 Jeez.
prime jasper
yeah seems like we're now in the GHz race, CPUs are no longer seeing major improvements to IPC so increasing power consumption and pushing frequency higher are going to be the norm
it will be interesting to see how long it takes before we start trying to move away from silicon to something else, a lot of work has already been done but I guess its gonna take a ton more to transition over and prices may get a little crazy as well
prime jasper
i'll wait for the reviews to see that, they always claim something around 15-20%, and then it turns out to be less.
and with the major jump in clockspeed it seems like more of the improvement comes from that than generational IPC gains
they're gonna keep squeezing as much as they can out of it with die shrinks until its just unfeasible to go any lower, which may be sooner than we think
vocal knot
hi i need help when i join a round i becomme black screen and my game not loading
i wait and wait and wait 20 minis nothing
umbral crater
Its your time to shine deco
quick locust
dapper saffron
nocturne drift
Hynix A die has arrived in US, people is OC discord is saying zen4 3D might be DoA
nocturne drift
For us tuners at least
molten flame
Ps5 now uses 6nm chip
nocturne drift
7600x is reported to be like 94c at 120w with 360 aio
🔥
these numbers in gaming are not impressive at all
toxic wigeon
How hot is the 13600K projected to run?
quick locust
How hot is the 13600K projected to run?
I heard less than 12900K but idk for sure
quick locust
pale quartz
these numbers in gaming are not impressive at all
they're terrible for measuring gaming performance btw, ST doesn't apply in these synthetic benchmarks
nocturne drift
they're terrible for measuring gaming performance btw, ST doesn't apply in these...
I wasn't talking about synthetic benchmarks
pale quartz
yeah there are no numbers there for gaming
nocturne drift
load more image at the bottom
pale quartz
none of them are
nocturne drift
look more closely
pale quartz
there are, 0, benchmarks there which translate over to games, AIDA and blender are not representative of translating those numbers to how ingame numbers will represent
nocturne drift
they literally showed shadow of tomb raider, far cry 5, Doom eternal, FF15, Deus EX
???
pale quartz
oh my bad didn't realise there was 23
meh not surprised the x3d wins in some titles was predictable when it launched
nocturne drift
looks like my friend's build later this year is gonna be a cheap 12700k build with samsung Bdie once again
pale quartz
I did say a while ago most folk should just wait till x3d z4, will make these numbers look like a joke
7950x is impressively close for its cache difference I'll give it that
nocturne drift
Yeah x3d z4 would be impressive
cant w8
but prob out of budget
stock number is basically a joke to me anyways
pale quartz
there's no 6 or under x3d planned so something to consider if you're planning for a budget
nocturne drift
yeah his budget is around 1400?
quick locust
Better than my toaster
nocturne drift
current plan is 12600k or 12700k + 3080
pale quartz
should be fine x3d parts will be around 500
pale quartz
Better than my toaster
same temperature 100% better performance
quick locust
Why not 6800xt, they're like 500 to 550 rn
nocturne drift
too expensive
3080 for me I dont pay over 450
although 5800X 3D + 6800XT with SAM is tempting
actually an awesome combo from advanced marketing division
jk
pale quartz
alternatively you can pay 3x the price for a 4080 and safely be able to plug it in 2.5x less than the 3080
pale quartz
you get fake frames for $1400
nocturne drift
Its like a tactics to sell 30 series then right after amd announce their gpu, nvidia prob be like SIKE HA we lowering prices
they are money sucking geniuses
pale quartz
oh yeah unfortunately not Nvidia have a years worth of rtx 30 series stock left to sell
so until that's gone these prices remain
and drop by maybe 5% if folks are lucky
quick locust
pale quartz
what's even more funny is its physically not safe for people to use current generation power supplies on any of the rtx 40 lineup
nocturne drift
geez
pale quartz
cards draw 50A during transients, adaptors physically can only handle 13.2A
molten flame
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88610/radeon-monster-profile-tool-for-rdna-2-rx-6800-xt-beats-rtx-3090-ti/index.html @nocturne drift
Interesting
nocturne drift
Not really. My 2080ti beats a stock 3080
But gotta admit. Tsmc 7nm is just sooo much better than samsung 8nm.
Idk about degradation but if amd have smth that unlocks the voltage like kingpin 2080ti, then that is very very interesting
Also my current 3080ti score is higher than both shown in the picture.
And it's a garbage bin
nocturne drift
That is just a glorified oc thing like he did with zen timings.
Yeah my 3080ti score is over 22k
No bios flash no nothing.
quick locust
hm
nocturne drift
Bottom of the barrel garbage bin
toxic wigeon
I wondered what that orange light was at the back of my pc. Thought something bad was happening turns out it was just to confirm the Ethernet.
nocturne drift
Haha
quick locust
mine is in the top of my case but i never notice it 😛
a lot of other cables to obscure it anyway
nocturne drift
stock benchmark number is just a suggestion 😄
pale quartz
Idk about degradation but if amd have smth that unlocks the voltage like kingpin...
it does not, voltage regulation is locked on the vbios
these numbers are very misleading anyways it's 300mhz over stock 2.2, 2.5 can be achieved with any decent AIB card
all the program is doing is downclocking the modules so the cores request more artificially, and it definitely is going to cause corruption errors in the process
it's only 200 points over what I achieved with 5 minutes of work with my 6800xt, nothing phenomenal
nocturne drift
these numbers are very misleading anyways it's 300mhz over _stock_ 2.2, 2.5 can ...
yeah exactly what I said. just like his zentiming, nothing special if u know what u are doing
and his zentiming is a meme anyways
only tool I see can unlock voltage is the kingpin xoc yolo swag tool for 2080ti
I considered getting a kinpin for 450 dollars but then I was like NAH
2080ti kingpin is actually MAD. 540w bios if I recall
and that's stock
molten flame
RIP the per-core efficiency of the Zen 1 - Zen 3 era
5800X3D beats 7950X and 7900X in some games
3D cache for 7000 series is needed asap
toxic wigeon
5800x3d GO BRR.
But still.
That is HOT.
My friend just sent me a link about it.
toxic wigeon
Oh definitely.
I'm keeping that in mind.
I bet the power draw for them will hit maybe 350+ for the 13900K.
molten flame
13th gen is also gonna cost a good bit more because the die size is 25% bigger than 12th gen
toxic wigeon
These numbers are so interesting for Shadow of the tomb raider.
It's an older game but still.
molten flame
200 fps cap
terse glade
im not tunde who says 3 fps are enough but i would say nobody needs more than 144fps anyway
midnight crypt
blasphemy
nocturne drift
Zen4 is pretty much DoA lol. Tech yes city is running into problems testing already
13th gen will draw alot of power prob but pretty sure zen4 is gonna run hotter.
prime jasper
7000 series isn't as much of a performance difference as some were expecting, by the release of 13th gen it will probably fall behind slightly on the high end, but still have much more reasonable power draw than anything intel plans to release in the near future
prime jasper
AMD should have made 3D v-cache a permanent fixture on all CPUs going forward, no need for an X3D variant, just make it standard
nocturne drift
I tuned a 5600X the other day. 1.32v at only 4.4ghz mf hits 80c drawing only 112w on a 240mm aio.
toxic wigeon
7600x3d, etc.
nocturne drift
Yes that's interesting
toxic wigeon
It would be an interesting turn.
Make AMD the gaming CPU and Intel the productivity CPU's.
nocturne drift
A 12700K + 200 bucks bdie matches or whoop these zen4 numbers
prime jasper
right now its kinda still the other way around, 7000 series is a great performance bump in productivity workloads
toxic wigeon
7800x3d might take the crown.
nocturne drift
Yeah 3D is the only thing I respect from amd.
Like I said once again it's gonna be 13th gen raptorlake + hynix A die vs Zen4 3D
prime jasper
need them to do better, intel still need to be dragged down so we can have proper equal competition
nocturne drift
Battle of the titans
prime jasper
it feels like we're still getting minor performance increases per gen, and maybe that is just us reaching the limit of whats possible with silicon, but im sure theres more that can be done
nocturne drift
I'm not too sure.
Intel from 11th gen to 12th gen was a massive increase
That's from a massive die shrink.
prime jasper
and from improvements to the e-core/p-core design
nocturne drift
Turn those e waste cores off still a a massive leap
toxic wigeon
Anything's a boost over Gen 11.
prime jasper
either way its disappointing, AMD need to be pushing harder, I want to love them, and I do
nocturne drift
Funny thing is gen11 max tuned was the still better than zen3 in gaming.
11th gen was very meme but for us tuners it's not SUPER meme
prime jasper
im going to be waiting until ryzen 9000 at this rate anyway, zen 4 is too much money (platform wise, with DDR5 memory as well), and I won't need an upgrade for a while now
and I don't intend on switching back to intel
nocturne drift
Max tuned 10th gen 10900k intel tie and beating 5950X was the meme in gaming
Yeah looks like my friends build is still gonna be 2nd hand/ Microcenter 12700k or maybe 13600k + bdie
prime jasper
if I want an upgrade in a few years time i'll invest in the 5800X3D and keep hold of that, as its going to be more than enough for my needs for many years after
and it should drop in price once we get the 7000 series 3D versions
nocturne drift
Yeah
I might not upgrade till meteorlake as well
Unless 13th gen is really impressive on clock speed and on memory controller
Like the 12900K I tuned on a custom loop I tuned last Wednesday did 5.2Ghz at 1.33v with tons of vdroop drawing around 200ish watt.
It was a custom loop so we went 5.3ghz cranking the voltage lol
dry pike
I need higher clocks than my 3900X can provide but dunno what to think about the new AMD offerings. Might just wait and see.
nocturne drift
I need higher clocks than my 3900X can provide but dunno what to think about the...
5800X 3D
Zen2 can prob go 4.3 to 4.4ghz via static oc.
dry pike
Nah, if I'm going to invest in new hardware it is going to be a DDR5 powered one.
nocturne drift
5800X 3D u don't need to change mobo ram
And 5800X 3D bypasses alot of ram speed needs so u can run ur 3200 cl16 or 3600 CL18 ram and ur golden
pale quartz
^ or wait for z4x3d
dry pike
Hell, might even want to check out what Intel got
nocturne drift
Yeah but if u got the money haha
5800X 3D is actually awesome.
Drop it in with 3200 cl16 ram and ur good
Zen4 3D sounds like almost 1000 dollars investment
pale quartz
ill retire my x3d once z4x3d comes around
nocturne drift
Dang ur upgrade cycle is mad
pale quartz
somewhat yeah, ill retire my 6800xt aswell once RDNA3 rolls around
nocturne drift
I have access to most all cpu at my workplace. I'll upgrade when I actually see a configuration that significantly improves over my current rig.
In the game I play
dry pike
Drop it in with 3200 cl16 ram and ur good
Currently run my 3600's as 3733mhz 1:1 at cl16. But as I mentioned, not going to invest further into a DDR4 platform.
nocturne drift
12900k at 5.3ghz + 6400 cl34 (darn Samsung bdie ddr5) + 3090ti Asus tuf is not all that over my system. Esp in cyberpunk where the fps I see against my pc and at the same setting was a joke.
nocturne drift
Currently run my 3600's as 3733mhz 1:1 at cl16. But as I mentioned, not going to...
Fair enough it's just zen2 is actually really bad at gaming.
molten flame
really bad 
dry pike
5800X3D is still at like 500 euro here and has been since release. Doubt it will get so low when it finally drops that I'm interested though.
nocturne drift
5800X3D is still at like 500 euro here and has been since release. Doubt it will...
Wow!
Sorry I didn't know eu pricing.
molten flame
saw 5800x3d for $380 here
nocturne drift
Yeah
This was the 3090ti pc I loosely tuned.
Not hynix ddr5 and gigabyte bios don't apply the ring clock no matter what
I also made sure this is stable I took 4bins down 60 mhz off of what's stable in timespy graphics test 2
prime jasper
5800X3D is around £430 here at the moment, which is still much higher than I can afford
tho thats its discount price on amazon, normal price is £530
varies a bit depending on where you look but its always around £450-500
pale quartz
itll get more expensive over time, x3d only has limited batches
prime jasper
well i'll probably miss out then lol
dry pike
The price history here is pretty steady. Too high, but steady.
nocturne drift
Gpu bound test lol
prime jasper
what
nocturne drift
thats why its almost all the same
prime jasper
but it doesn't really matter now does it
molten flame
7600X with B650 might not be bad value
nocturne drift
I think amd is now learning from intel to lock b650 boards as well
prime jasper
7600X with B650 might not be bad value
true, B650 comes in October
the fact that it does this well
power consumption is 5800X level
226 watts total system draw with 3090TI
molten flame
prime jasper
obviously would be higher if gpu were maxed
oh yeah this is what i was looking for
storm osprey
hu is based
nocturne drift
Denial unboxed.
nocturne drift
Oh not this. I meant his ddr5 video
Then he proceed to talk down on the smaller youtubers.
I have 0 respect for him. His brother doing the monitor review is good tho.
toxic wigeon
I do wonder.
Considering how much power zen 4 takes up. I wonder how big the jump will be for Zen 5.
If that'll be more efficient power wise.
nocturne drift
If yall want efficiency just undervolt.
I made a 3060ti draw 130w at 1800 mhz yesterday
prime jasper
At least you don't need heater running ryzen 7000 😂
I wanna see different coolers tested on em
nocturne drift
Make ur system yo bich. Master tuning it.
That sounds wrong I apologize
But looking at 7600X numbers I'm pretty confident a maxed out 12600k will beat a maxed out 7600X in gaming.
While using ddr4
nocturne drift
12900k with only 6p cores and 12 threads enabled using 97w beating 7600X using 110w.
No I'm not saying alderlake is more efficient but looks like both intel and amd is jacking up that power well beyond the efficiency curve
Kinda makes sense as these are not laptop chips.
toxic wigeon
Let's go.
quick locust
Isn't nvenc just the encoder hardware
iirc its just avc and hevc
same as quicksync
nvenc will have av1 as well in lovelace
pale quartz
Isn't nvenc just the encoder hardware
^ + nvenc isn't a codec
quick locust
ya just the hardware
prime jasper
No ryzen 7000 yet in stores
Sad
I wonder what happens to the prices of current stock of 5000 series
Still lot of stock
pale quartz
doesn't come out till October
terse glade
I made a 3060ti draw 130w at 1800 mhz yesterday
Nice 👍 a GPU shouldn't draw more than that anyway in my opinion! 
That's why I ain't hating on the 40s series yet because I suppose you can Undervolt the F out of the 4060
prime jasper
doesn't come out till October
oh sad i missed this information but makes sense so we have b650 boards too then
nocturne drift
13700k or 12900k or 13900k, make the e cores do x264.
quick locust
Or just quicksync
molten flame
That's why I ain't hating on the 40s series yet because I suppose you can Underv...
4060 may not come until late 2023 or even 2024
Nvidia wants to get rid of 3070 and 3060 stock first
4060 may even just be a laptop GPU for this gen
prime jasper
molten flame
prime jasper
molten flame
wait for i5-13400
molten flame
spending over $1000 on PC without a GPU
prime jasper
gonna be skip for me
i wait for black friday or something and see what offerings we have
molten flame
I hate the state of internet in America
ISPs do whatever they want
have to wait for ISP technician but he can choose to arrive at literally anytime between 8AM to 5PM
I need to sleep because night shift job
i5 and i7 are pricey
quick locust
pale quartz
https://youtu.be/eUZua8CfBZ8
well best get the rest of them before it officially dies
explains the absurdity of this low price
quick locust
I'm guaranteed one for free anyway
pale quartz
I'm guaranteed one for free anyway
time to become a beta driver tester
umbral crater
strong breach
at least they're honest, performance in Horizon Zero Dawn gets worse with the i9-13900k than i9-12900k
same with metro exodus
:D
toxic wigeon
What CPU loaded with it?
nocturne drift
intel bullshit marketing strikes again
advanced marketing division is no better tldr get 12700k/12600K + samsung bdie
intel slides is prob as bs as amd
wait for independent review and real tuned review
nocturne drift
at least they're honest, performance in Horizon Zero Dawn gets worse with the i9...
this is very good. more games shown than advanced marketing divison
raptorlake cores is pretty much same as alderlake
they just jack up e cores, boost clocks and a better memory controller
That little gaming performance increase is expected
if u want true gaming performance increase, max out the memory with imc advantage over the 12th gen
if there is any
prime jasper
at least they're honest, performance in Horizon Zero Dawn gets worse with the i9...
nothing to see once again
considering they flexing 6ghz stock clocks
what was 12900k stocks?
wonder how it would look clock to clock
7600X actually cheaper
prime jasper
https://fxtwitter.com/CapFrameX/status/1574832486038867996
does the game support fsr
prime jasper
because if there's nothing to compare it...
i actually have the game downloaded
gonna check
40mb update
gonna try the XeSS is if can too
Doesn't do much
DLSS quality
XeSS ultra quality
pale quartz
its not an equal comparison DLSS quality is upscaling so it's naturally going to be higher
short pawn
How's 22.9.2 amd
verbal cliff
How's 22.9.2 amd
no point in downloading
short pawn
How bad
verbal cliff
unless you have a 7000 series cpu
short pawn
What would be counted as the best driver currently
Since I got 22.9.1 rn but it seems a bit faulty causing random green screen so I'm wondering which driver is best
verbal cliff
Since I got 22.9.1 rn but it seems a bit faulty causing random green screen so I...
what gpu
i have the same drivers as you
but no issues
verbal cliff
sapphire?
verbal cliff
still good
my brother has a rx 5600 xt
but sapphire version
the driver is fine for him
short pawn
Yeah I did a lot of comparing after going which one between sapphire and gigabite
And after looking at some stuff it looked like the gigabite one had more cooling and stuff
short pawn
Anyway you got a driver recommendation?
verbal cliff
maybe try downgrading to the previous one?
short pawn
22.8.2?
verbal cliff
22.9.1 was basically released for mw2 beta
short pawn
I was thinking maybe of that may preview driver
short pawn
But what would you count as the most stable driver
pale quartz
But what would you count as the most stable driver
the latest WHQL driver
all the updates to now are beta revisions, if you really want to use them stable make sure you're on windows 11 22h2's and use AMDs cleanup tool
short pawn
the latest WHQL driver
Oh ok I was gonna get 22.8.2 then download the anermine driver mod with the 22.5.1 cornel
pale quartz
it won't fix whatever issues you're having on the latest driver, they're inherit to it
corruption issues are acknowledged in the known issues list
short pawn
Aright so is 22.5.1 the newest whlq
pale quartz
22.6.1
pale quartz
?
molten flame
but ended up getting a 6600 xt
Better choice in every way
Except just memory bandwidth
Intel is committed
quick locust
yeo
toxic wigeon
So. What are the downsides again to shoving more 3d cache into your CPU?
I forgot. I remember lower clock speeds but.
prime jasper
hopefully they can improve on that with 7000X3D series
toxic wigeon
Yeah the 7800x3d will have higher quality 3d cache which should allow it.
prime jasper
it may take a few gens, but once its up to their standard they will probably put 3D v-cache on all models as standard by 9000 series or higher
toxic wigeon
The limitations for zen 3 stem from the fact that it's a card that's been squeezed into am4.
7950x3d running at 120C.
prime jasper
yeah thats something they gotta watch out for
prime jasper
the thing is the ryzen 7000 ramps up the temperature to that 93-95 C no matter what load. not because it's struggling
will see what happens, they most likely have the 3D variant product stack already prepped and are just looking at a viable launch window, probably early next year
toxic wigeon
7800x3d will be what carries the 7000 series for gaming.
7950X sounds good for workloads though.
I'm jealous that Carpo got a 5950x REEEEE!
terse glade
Meanwhile I set my thermal throttle limit in my BIOS to 65c on my Ryzen 7 3800x and it works just fine
Never goes above 65c anymore
prime jasper
Meanwhile I set my thermal throttle limit in my BIOS to 65c on my Ryzen 7 3800x ...
different design
prime jasper
the thing is the ryzen 7000 ramps up the temperature to that 93-95 C no matter w...
my 3700X has been pretty good since I got it, slightly lower thermals at load than my 1700, but it could be better. my AIO water cooler is 5 years old now so thats gonna effect its performance at least a bit
may consider buying a different cooler to swap in sometime in the next year
terse glade
different design
I'm sure u can do the exact same thing on the 7950x3d
prime jasper
they've increased the max thermal limit up to 115 degrees anyway, 95 is pretty much the peak that it got to in LTTs testing with PBO2 enabled
terse glade
On stock it was like 95c on mine
toxic wigeon
IT CAME BACK.
nocturne drift
I mean delid is a thing
toxic wigeon
DON'T DELID.
prime jasper
IT CAME BACK.
news and interests
nocturne drift
de8baur got -20c on 7950X delidding
prime jasper
fucking windows man
toxic wigeon
news and interests
THE MALWARE CAME BACK.
prime jasper
https://youtu.be/tzm5pFq7ol0?t=755 meanwhile at jayztwocents doing sketchy shit
oh its malware oof
terse glade
Damn
prime jasper
fresh windows install for you 
prime jasper
yeah
nocturne drift
toxic wigeon
Like the EA desktop app.
prime jasper
if you're interested, and you intend on doing a fresh install, i'd advise going with a custom windows build like ReviOS, it basically does all the work for you stripping out the telemetry bullcrap, reducing OS overhead and ive seen a pretty sizable performance difference since starting to use it
nocturne drift
Why Zen4 runs hot I think is because heat density, and amd trying to not change the mounting compatibility of aio and air coolers so the ihs is thicker?
prime jasper
their windows 11 custom build is clean af
prime jasper
Why Zen4 runs hot I think is because heat density, and amd trying to not change ...
yeah that makes sense
nocturne drift
cause I delid a bunch of 8th 9th 10th gen chips and 8th gen is around 20c decrease 9th and 10th are only about 10 to 12
terse glade
IT CAME BACK.
Are you on win11 btw?
toxic wigeon
nocturne drift
my friend's deepcool castle 360mm aio can handle a 10850k no delid drawing 260w sustained
like mid 80c
terse glade
Aight I'm on win 10 myself and planning to switch
nocturne drift
while handling a 12900k no delid, no contact frame using a custom loop with 3 360mm radiator with 9 cheating phantaks 30mm thick fans at 260-270w also mid 80c
heat density
prime jasper
im gonna be spending my day watching tech videos, I feel like trash and am keeping to myself as I got a very faint line on the COVID test, so lazy day for me
good thing theres a ton of videos to watch with all the new launch stuff recently
nocturne drift
also ngl 2042 fps increased alot compared to launch
prime jasper
also ngl 2042 fps increased alot compared to launch
oh yeah its better 100%
nocturne drift
I see form 10 to 40 fps increase depending on situations
prime jasper
I haven't played since the update yesterday so im interested to try that out if I feel like it later
they said they fixed the mouse input latency as well? or at least improved it
so that should be good as well
input lag was linked to future frame rendering afaik
nocturne drift
they said they fixed the mouse input latency as well? or at least improved it
yeah a long time ago
prime jasper
yeah a long time ago
it was in the update notes for the update that came out yesterday
ive definitely had issues with it recently as well, so hopefully its cleared up now
candid flame
I don't even feel the difference tbh
prime jasper
I noticed it more after I moved to a different high refreshrate monitor and my new CPU, it was more noticeable once I was running better performance wise
candid flame
with my boomer brain
toxic wigeon
Mouse and keyboard is controller emulated.
candid flame
anyone using the Logitech Pro X headphone?
candid flame
I'm still trying to find a good, reasonably priced headphone
Steelseries is so overpriced like damn
toxic wigeon
I've got hyper x alpha's and they run perfectly for me.
candid flame
for gaming? what about music
toxic wigeon
Ah.
prime jasper
They reduced the input lag by 4MS for mouse.
4ms? where you find this info
candid flame
a good sony headset would set me back 420 euro jesus christ
toxic wigeon
Twitter
toxic wigeon
nocturne drift
I am on renewal
toxic wigeon
Renewal plays well at least.
prime jasper
yeah 4ms is decent reduction if you had noticeable input lag before
it was likely just at the border of being noticeable
nocturne drift
I felt it
damn I am getting 160-210+ fps rn
screw 13th gen and zen4 lol
and thats on max settings hbofull
prime jasper
damn I am getting 160-210+ fps rn
what's your setup
midnight crypt
it's unbelievable that some people are saying it's not a noticeable improvement
prime jasper
That just depends on how much their input lag is
Doesn't mean everyone will feel it if they have input lag due on bad performance
Means its not the game but their system
Even your monitor will effect on input lag
nocturne drift
I thought about 13th gen + 40 series
then I looked at the price and rent increase and was like nah
toxic wigeon
What?
prime jasper
Somehow i have same fps on 1080p and 1440p low settings in 2042
pale quartz
I doubt a 7950x3d would actually exist.
(it does)
pale quartz
No overclocking at all
it's not true, overclocking was disabled on the 5800x3d as it was only validated for 1.35v before release, the Zen 4 SKUs with vcache will be able to be overclocked
pale quartz
Why Zen4 runs hot I think is because heat density, and amd trying to not change ...
in order to get to these insane boosting clocks on single cores the PPT has also been set far more aggressively, the IHS is thicker mainly so that cache components can be cooled when the stacked products launch as it being entirely sealed means it's a heat trap
pale quartz
Experimental or retail.
retail, whether it'll come out for retail isn't decided yet though
if it does it will be very expensive is the tldr
pale quartz
IT CAME BACK.
@toxic wigeon win key + r enter winver and say what build you're on
pale quartz
1K for 7950x3d.
closer to 800
it's a pretty good upgrade for folks on Zen 2 processors, but Zen 3 users can give it a pass
prime jasper
7000 series as a whole doesn't seem worth it outside of X3d.
7600X with b650 mobo is likely worth it for gaming
obviously if you already have powerful cpu you don't get much for upgrading
ddr5 is expensive still tho
toxic wigeon
I'd rather sit on a 5800x3d and wait until the 9800x3d comes out.
pale quartz
I'd rather sit on a 5800x3d and wait until the 9800x3d comes out.
would be a pretty terrible investment financially
grim spruce
I'm getting the bsod on my Rog strix g15 after win 11 update. Device keeps restarting over and over again. Any help for it would be great. Rookie in tech btw :(
Says Unmountable boot volume
candid flame
reinstall windows 11
grim spruce
Wait. How do we do that? I'm not great with these stuffs
pale quartz
read the manual for your laptop for updating the BIOS
dry pike
pale quartz
in reality it's probably just secure boot not being turned on tbh but do that anyways
molten flame
pale quartz
lol sapphire rapids only a year late
pale quartz
definitely not lol
pale quartz
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556205794241151021/1024687486133354616/...
this is peak (voltage) current, transients are not measurable
they will still be terrible as much as Nvidia will want to hide it
prime jasper
NVIDIA claims that it has re-architected its VRM to offer superior transient voltage management. This is specifically to minimize the kind of spikes or excursions we've seen with previous-gen high-end graphics cards such as the RTX 3090 Ti and Radeon RX 6900 Series. These spikes often causes spontaneous shutdowns on some power supplies, even if they had a much higher wattage rating than required.
pale quartz
yeah, the VRMs, not the cores
all it does is stop you shutting down, you're still going to fry something
arguably more dangerous if anything
molten flame
prime jasper
something is bound to get fried with power usage rising and rising
coarse nimbus
Amazon would damage it in shipping 
toxic wigeon
Replace it with some material that allows it to breathe.
coarse nimbus
Submerged motherboards in liquid mainstream when??
molten flame
possible 4070 8GB and 4070 10GB, 128-bit and 160-bit versions
4070 on AD106 would be a total L
molten flame
7700XT is gonna be a good bit faster than 4080 12GB
will cost more than 6700XT launch msrp
molten flame
I mean even at $600-700 it would be a much better option than a 4080 12GB
toxic wigeon
Damn they're really making some changes.
I wonder if there'll be a ti 12gb and 16gb.
molten flame
Navi 32 could end up being called a 7800XT tbh
toxic wigeon
Ye.
Makes me wonder how decent the 7500xt would be.
I know they're cheap budget cards but hearing how these 7000 series cards are done. I wonder if it could stand on its own.
If it's ever done.
molten flame
much cheaper to manufacture than RTX 4000
5nm main chip with 6nm chiplets is a lot cheaper than a massive 4nm chip
the GCD for 7900XT is smaller than the 6700XT
~310mm^2
RTX 4090 is like ~620mm^2 iirc
so double the size
💀
AMD shareholders are gonna be happy in the last 2 months of the year
toxic wigeon
Oh i bet.
molten flame
RTX 40 and 30 have the same architecture, 40 series did big changes to ray-tracing cores and ML
they got 60% more shader cores by shrinking down to much denser 4nm from weak 8nm
nocturne drift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvsPZA8CkBY
omg its the OG johnny guru
nocturne drift
they should sell CPUs without IHS
die can crack if not careful, also I linked this already
grim spruce
in reality it's probably just secure boot not being turned on tbh but do that an...
Thanks a bunch. Was able to recover my datas and reboot my laptop. Thanks a ton fr. 
quick locust
pale quartz
Thanks a bunch. Was able to recover my datas and reboot my laptop. Thanks a ton ...
no worries
quick locust
prime jasper
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/zen-3-ryzen-5-3600-af-spotted
But why? There is 5500 which is around that price
prime jasper
https://twitter.com/paulhardware/status/1575278817194565633/photo/1
Hope they try tower coolers too
prime jasper
comment section on that twitter thread is toxic af, can't believe there's still people who flaunt being intel fanboys/shills even after all these years
toxic wigeon
Bit lost on that post.
prime jasper
Linus called them out for unfair testing methodology, not properly representing results against the 5800X3D, and for not comparing against Ryzen 7000 (their announcement was a day after the ryzen benchmarks, obviously planned so they could see what they were up against, but under no obligation to release a fair comparison against the generation they will actually be competing against). Intel are trying their best to spin it, and as always, their fanboys come out in full support asking for them to blacklist Linus and LMG just because he dared say something against them.
toxic wigeon
Jesus fuck.
Oh yeah I partly learned about the scummy shit Intel did in the past too.
prime jasper
And this is the sort of shit that makes me not want to buy their products or support their company, not to mention how much I wish to ignore this side of the PC community
toxic wigeon
I like their tech but fuck me they're horrible.
prime jasper
Oh yeah I partly learned about the scummy shit Intel did in the past too.
Intel have always been scummy, and they've built up a cult following who are willing to play dirty to support them
Its been this way for years
most intel fanboys still think we are living in the days of AMDs bulldozer architecture and Intel being lightyears ahead with no competition
we have long since gotten past that, thank god
else we might still be paying ridiculous prices for 4 core 8 thread top of the line i7 processors
toxic wigeon
Intel way back in the past try to sue cryix as they used the x86 architecture.
Literally pathetic.
prime jasper
they've done much much worse over the years, they're very hostile and always have been towards competition, especially AMD
they've definitely improved their image somewhat in the last few years, probably because they know they can't get away with as much these days
quick locust
Linus called them out for unfair testing methodology, not properly representing ...
They didn't plan it and were annoyed that nvidia nearly did at same time too
And everything was already done beforehand
They don't change their entire presentation the day before their event lol
But yeah 5800x3d should have its own bar
prime jasper
They don't change their entire presentation the day before their event lol
obviously it was planned in advance, and I acknowledged that, so im looking forward to when real benchmarks come out
quick locust
all fanboys are fucking stupid
Ye
quick locust
obviously it was planned in advance, and I acknowledged that, so im looking forw...
Not according to intel no
Also too close to nvidia launch
prime jasper
i honestly don't believe any manufacturer benchmarks
naive patio
I'll be looking towards digital foundary for the in game benchmarks
prime jasper
i honestly don't believe any manufacturer benchmarks
yeah you shouldn't
they fabricate imaginary best-case scenario percentages and performance numbers to get you hyped
video benchmarks are the first time anyone should really care honestly, its a fair look at real world performance
quick locust
Always wait for third party yeah
prime jasper
Tech jesus got me covered
quick locust
Both of them compared to old gen of each other cause they were too close
prime jasper
(gamers nexus)
quick locust
Yea
prime jasper
I probably just get ryzen 5000 series from future sale as i have am4 mobo still
prime jasper
And ram from my current build
prime jasper
Im looking for 5700x or 5800x
prime jasper
3D not likely wont be on big sales
prime jasper
Im already seeing slight price reduction on 5800x and 5600x
Ton of stock left so i have feeling there will be them on black Friday etc
5800X has a £120 discount atm here
down to £300
7700X is £440, the 5800X3D is £415
3D is 499€ here
That's actually 40€ less than before
Shit's expensive here
toxic wigeon
prime jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_ifswznbM they did some overclocking
prime jasper
prime jasper
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1850570/view/5303574338928310299
it also has FSR 2.0 now
quick locust
Ye
pale quartz
well yeah dunno why folks were panicking the alarm bells just because they see a number titled 95
midnight crypt
id prefer a cpu that doesnt stay at 95c no matter what
quick locust
Finally a challenge to my stove cpu
pale quartz
it's so fucking stupid this entire fiasco shows how little the PC community know about temperatures
acting like there's going to be heat dumped into their pc
molten flame
lower CPU/GPU temperatures means more heat in your room
that heat has to go somewhere
hard brook
Hey guys
molten flame
not many PC users know physics
hard brook
I have radeon rx 5500 xt and Intel 4600
molten flame
my condolences
hope you have the HD 4600 disabled and got your display cable plugged into the 5500XT card
hard brook
Only disable HD 4600
molten flame
yes integrated graphics especially old ones are not for gaming
hard brook
But radeon rx 5500 xt
hard brook
But radeon rx 5500 xt
I don't need to disable it right?
pale quartz
that heat has to go somewhere
the heat doesn't go anywhere
it is a single core load, you are talking about all core temperatures, single core scaling is designed to scale high as it immediately rebounds low again
molten flame
prime jasper
yeah its not reported like before
like gpu junction temperature/hot spot people were panicin that it was higher
molten flame
GPU have hotspot and edge temp sensors
pale quartz
they also have core sensors VRAM sensors and VRM sensors
nocturne drift
Linus called them out for unfair testing methodology, not properly representing ...
Sounds as bad as amd cherry picking games making the 6700XT look better than the 3070, using SAM vs rebar performance advantage in a cpu benchmark, using biased ram configuration on their zen4 vs zen3 slides 6000 cl30 vs not even say
Always wait for independent review
For me always look for tuned review. No one is good.
Don't even get me started on amd fanboys.
When they did the zen4 presentation, they used 6000 cl30 ddr5 vs 5950x and amd didn't even list the ram speed used on 5950X
Where is people calling out that?
Always go by independent review
molten flame
anybody that already has 12th gen or Zen 3 has no reason to upgrade unless they want pretty good multi-thread gains or play with overclocking
nocturne drift
Exactly
molten flame
600 series motherboards not good for DDR5 tuning and Zen 4 caps out at 6000 MT/s lol
Intel 600 series not good for DDR5 either
nocturne drift
Depends on which board
4 dimm caps around 6000 to 6400
2 dim caps around 7000-8000 depends on ur luck
molten flame
not good for daily use in terms of stability going above 6800
nocturne drift
4 dimm board daily at 6200
That's my safe spot.
My go to speed when tunning are 6200 cl34 for Samsung bdie and 6200 cl28 for hynix mdie
molten flame
CL28 8000 might be possible next year
or year after that
maybe Zen 5 can do 7000+ 
Meteor-Lake and Zen 5 are very different in terms of design to CPUs we have now
performance rumors gonna be very misguiding
nocturne drift
Yeah I unsubbed from all youtubers who does leaks
I'll believe it when I see the independent reviews
light cedar
How do I fix my audio on xbox but on discord I sound fine
hard brook
I disabled the Intel HD graphics 4600
And when i want to play rdr2 on pc the game didn't start
stone monolith
can i has some help plz
Easy-Anit cheat authentication fails thingy keep popping up
i cant get into a game : (
umbral crater
You're always late
molten flame
I disabled the Intel HD graphics 4600
did you watch how to disable it, also most systems automatically use the discrete GPU automatically without having to switch from integrated
prime jasper
Where
nocturne drift
Fb marketplace
I mean I got a msi a pro z690 for 50 before with a bent pin, shipped it to msi to rma. Got a full working board back for a total of 75
hard brook
did you watch how to disable it, also most systems automatically use the discret...
I disable it from device manager
pale quartz
I disable it from device manager
it won't work, the OS is still expecting to use that device, you need to force it to use your dedicated card within windows settings
pale quartz
In windows settings?
settings - graphics options
hard brook
settings - graphics options
Alright
pale quartz
pale quartz
then reenable it in your device manager lol
hard brook
But actually thanks
toxic wigeon
Have they confirmed what versions are confirmed?
lofty light
Na but they confirmed they're confirming which versions are confirmed
nocturne drift
Obviously the 8 core 16 thread
I think this will be a game changer.
Unlike the normal zen4 which is pretty much DoA
toxic wigeon
I wouldn't say that entirely until we get a b650.
But yes at the moment it's hard to justify a 7000 series until the x3d.
nocturne drift
They better not lock the pbo2 etc or anything on the b650
I see people saying 1% lows on zen4 is atrocious
Honestly tho maybe gonna see if amd engineer say anything regarding voltage limit, degradation etc.
Cause static oc is soo much more simple. Like am I gonna find the CO per core? Imagine finding the CO per core 16 times on 7950X
molten flame
Have they confirmed what versions are confirmed?
Someone told me once that AMD won't put V-cache on a 6-core CCD, so should only expect a 7800X3D and maybe a 7950X3D
AMD did show a 12-core Zen 3D test sample when they first revealed V-cache technology
toxic wigeon
Oh yeah I'm definitely expecting them not to do a 7600x3d.
But I wonder what beyond 7800x3d.
molten flame
X3D is most difficult CPU design to delid
nocturne drift
Oof
prime jasper
Unlike the normal zen4 which is pretty much DoA
You are dreaming
nocturne drift
You are dreaming
For a tuner like me, pretty much DoA
Normal tech reviewer numbers are just a suggestion. I'm here to see what it truly brings to the table tuned.
prime jasper
most people run them out of the box stock settings so it's not suggestion but out of the box performance
and that's actually important because it's where manufacturer make money
and there is ton of overlockers out there that post benchmarks on that too
dry pike
Ryzen 7000X3D aimed at Q1 2023
Probably depends on 2 things:
- How good Intels upcomming offer is
- How well the non x3d parts sell.
nocturne drift
Yes I am waiting to see benchmarks of 12700k + bdie vs 7700x + mdie
I imagine in gaming it will be very close
nocturne drift
Not too sure about that
pale quartz
cache is king, not memory
pale quartz
yeah and it'll also be why 12th gen loses, where it matters
nocturne drift
I'll def wait and see the benchmarkers do these tests
I saw the performance of the 7700X compare to 12700k.
And compared the fps I see from a tuned 12700k + bdie vs non tuned.
I'm not sure who is gonna win
pale quartz
who wins isnt the end of the story
your gains you can get out of tuned ddr4 are now essentially capped, ddr5 hasnt even reached near maturity yet
even if the 7700x loses, it'll only be for a short period of time
nocturne drift
You are wrong. 7700X the memory controller cap around 6000-6400. Get hynix a die. Ur still capped at 6000-6400
That's like saying hey my 4000 cl15 stick will magically run on z370 + 8700k at that speed
pale quartz
where is this that the frequency is capped? because i havent heard anything about it
nocturne drift
Memory controller amd says the sweetspot is 6000
They are right. U can't go over 6000 much
pale quartz
yes this is normal behaviour, it doesnt mean the frequency is cap locked, it isnt
AMD always recommends a stable IF to run kits at, its used for memory manufacturers
pale quartz
your point isnt valid, as i said, there is no cap, and the actual high speed DDR5 kits do not exist yet
pale quartz
ddr5 8000mhz kits arent in retail production
they wont be till next year
recommended IF doesnt mean you cant run higher frequencies
nocturne drift
U are missing the point once again. This is for max gaming performance
U know how amd cpu works
So ur saying u should desync fabric clocks?
For gaming?
pale quartz
yes i do, i also know DDR5 scaling is higher than DDR4 with frequency as 1:1 ratios are removed as a delimiter
yes
1:1 ratios are not an AMD platform fix, they are a DDR4 latency fix
it does not apply with DDR5
pale quartz
because the bin isnt up for it lol
nocturne drift
LOL
pale quartz
its literally early maturity, 1:1 and 2:1 arent involved with asynchronous transfers
nocturne drift
So in the future it magically will run?
pale quartz
why would it run? if the kit cant handle it, of course not
nocturne drift
Can the cpu and mobo handle it?
pale quartz
i have no idea, you cant test that till the kit boots lol
nocturne drift
And Hynix M die can do 6800-7000
pale quartz
so its a redundant question
nocturne drift
Not really. I'm disappointed in you deco. You know well the sweet spot for ddr5 on zen4 for now is around 6200 for gaming.
Then u try to get the subtimings down
pale quartz
im well aware what the "sweet spot", for current DDR5 maturity is, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the point i was making
nocturne drift
The point ur making have Nothing to do with the point I'm making
pale quartz
i know what the point youre making is, it just doesnt relate to what i said
its not the end of the story
nocturne drift
Then why are you saying it?
pale quartz
because purchasing decisions take into consideration long term consequence, not just results from the here and now
that applies with memory especially
nocturne drift
Cpu memory controller and mobo memeory trace don't magically get better
pale quartz
the IMC on ryzen has always been overspecced, and nothing has changed with zen 4, IMC's arent built to just handle whatever AMD recommends to gamers