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#technology
pastel field
I'm not too sure about this but it's weird that you're losing FPS if you ADS with a sniper scope when it comes to rendering distances
toxic wigeon
I was wondering why my system was shitting itself.
pale quartz
correct
quick locust
with fewer mods
toxic wigeon
Damn...
pale quartz
also fyi folks make sure you have stuff prepped for windows 22H2
inner steeple
I'm not too sure about this but it's weird that you're losing FPS if you ADS wit...
oh nah I was talking about if they make it so that ground textures while ads at high resolutions wouldn't make a huge fps cost
pale quartz
rolling out soon
inner steeple
oh nah I was talking about if they make it so that ground textures while ads at ...
I think I'm wrong tho about it
toxic wigeon
also fyi folks make sure you have stuff prepped for windows 22H2
Why?
How are we to prepare?
pale quartz
update your network drivers/Bluetooth/chipset/GPU drivers etc
pastel field
oh nah I was talking about if they make it so that ground textures while ads at ...
I see. Well despite that BF1 is well optimized. Pretty sure you'll notice the pain in fps when it comes to rendering in BFV instead
pale quartz
there is no best suited
inner steeple
gaming I guess
toxic wigeon
If gaming. 5800x3d is an easy go.
inner steeple
high performance usage games
toxic wigeon
Yeah 5800x3d is your best friend.
inner steeple
hahaha I actually have that rn aight glad I bought it
toxic wigeon
BAHA.
inner steeple
I thought there would be some other better pairs
pale quartz
theres no better pair except a $1000 combo of a 12900k and DDR5 memory
inner steeple
Now I need some more ram since I do coding
pastel field
Might actually want to research more on the game you're wanting to play with the components you chose 😛
toxic wigeon
5800x3d will last him ages.
pale quartz
he's playing battlefield lol
pastel field
Estimated results tho.
pale quartz
that's signal enough you don't need estimated results
pastel field
Well it's good enough for all BF series
pale quartz
folks not understanding cache as per the norm
pastel field
2042: pls
pastel field
just memeing on 2042
inner steeple
Might actually want to research more on the game you're wanting to play with the...
yeah I was going for a multipurpose build and just thought why not go all out, the build suits both anyway
toxic wigeon
2042 utilises the CPU even better now doesn't it?
pale quartz
the game isn't unoptimised sorry to say
pastel field
if it works it works
toxic wigeon
The issue about 2042 was that it required an even higher quality CPU than normal.
pale quartz
2042 utilises the CPU even better now doesn't it?
yes it has significantly better texture streaming than any other game in the franchise
toxic wigeon
It's a 2014 game.
inner steeple
I legit get 340 fps at 1440p with maxed out graphics
pale quartz
how is r6 so fucking well optimized
it isn't, it's just a small game
toxic wigeon
2014 games run like nothing on what you have.
inner steeple
to be fair the graphics have exceptionally improved since then
pastel field
I'm just glad my i7-12700kf will work wonders on 2042
inner steeple
it isn't, it's just a small game
true
toxic wigeon
Yeah I remember when black ops 1 was a hot game.
Now my computer runs it like it's nothing.
inner steeple
damn csgo is so badly optimized then
toxic wigeon
Eh?
inner steeple
i mean I get the same amount
toxic wigeon
To be fair you're fighting bottle necks.
toxic wigeon
Well it sounds like you're fighting bottle necks
inner steeple
that's not how optimisation works
yeah idk its late my brain isnt running
toxic wigeon
Brain go brr.
pastel field
💀
quick locust
My cpu is 5 years old now 👀
toxic wigeon
You love your CPU don't you tak?
quick locust
Still runs everything fine though
toxic wigeon
Good CPU...
pale quartz
My cpu is 5 years old now 👀
more like 8 years old with those spectre meltdowns
toxic wigeon
Don't insult his baby like that!!!
toxic wigeon
You got a 8700k right?
quick locust
Ya
inner steeple
yo you guys think those new games like the wukong game will be good
I have really high expectations
toxic wigeon
Depends.
quick locust
I dunno but not really on topic here
pale quartz
love old intel owners crying about "game optimisation" when their processors are so insecure that the patches took 20% off their baseline performance
toxic wigeon
A mate of mine was impressed his 2600 would run 2042 without many issues.
inner steeple
I dunno but not really on topic here
true
pale quartz
tell him to install windows 11 and that'll change quickly
pale quartz
not officially
quick locust
^
pale quartz
he can force it to install, but he'll have a bad time immediately
quick locust
You can but have to override some stuff
pale quartz
40-50% performance regressions
quick locust
Which I had to at first too to get it in a vm
toxic wigeon
Damn.
pale quartz
remember Microsoft just want to collect everyone's data and force people to upgrade that's why they are enforcing security features
pastel field
Vista says hi
pale quartz
it's probably time to move on
quick locust
Vista was pretty nice imo
pastel field
I paid respects to vista and 7
toxic wigeon
Didn't they put ads in file Explorer?
toxic wigeon
How does w11 differ from w10?
pale quartz
a lot lol
pale quartz
and by a lot, a lot better
pastel field
o ye XP too
toxic wigeon
What are the most notable.
pale quartz
file explorer has tabs dark mode etc
toxic wigeon
Oh?
quick locust
windows 10 with a new skin
toxic wigeon
Actually better question.
How does it affect games?
pale quartz
it does
pastel field
w11 is pain
pale quartz
GPU flip model for borderless is integrated into 11
pastel field
🙂
quick locust
No android stuff either yet
pale quartz
it doesn't exist on 10 and won't be added
quick locust
iircv
toxic wigeon
They've moved past the dodgy asf ac not recognising it.
pale quartz
No android stuff either yet
it's out
pale quartz
just on the Dev channel
toxic wigeon
I might give it a look at.
quick locust
then its not really out for 99% of people
toxic wigeon
But we back up before "upgrading" yes?
pale quartz
you don't particularly need to, the upgrade makes a backup for you
pale quartz
then its not really out for 99% of people
the subsystem isn't finished yet
toxic wigeon
I miss windows XP.
quick locust
Then its not out or ready
toxic wigeon
It just did its work.
quick locust
I use XP everyday
toxic wigeon
Fat taskbar, simple interface.
quick locust
Our servers and workstations are on XP
pastel field
Our servers and workstations are on XP
clone the XP pls
toxic wigeon
I want to come over and play around for a little bit!
quick locust
We have some 386 pcs as well, but not currently in use
pastel field
XP has grown well on me
quick locust
our servers just have one admin account with username admin
pastel field
Vista and 7 too
quick locust
cause cybersecurity doesnt exist here i guess
toxic wigeon
Will the 4000 series have better compatibility with Ray tracing?
Just curious.
Or are they pure power hungry cards.
toxic wigeon
It makes a bit of sense.
quick locust
They're power hungry too lol
toxic wigeon
Though for a small gimmick it doesn't feel worth it.
pastel field
yes + you can use your gpu as a bbq pit
toxic wigeon
I'd go for AMD at that point since all they're doing is pumping power.
pastel field
:>
quick locust
Nah AMD has it as well, they just run worse with rt
pastel field
stronk watt eaters
toxic wigeon
I can't wait to hit a power spike for the 25th time and have to check if my system is fucking fried for good.
quick locust
Iirc A770 is better than 6700xt in rt too
toxic wigeon
Yeah true though for a small gimmick it's a loss you can work with.
pastel field
I can't wait to hit a power spike for the 25th time and have to check if my syst...
nice highscore
quick locust
Imagine 4090 👀
toxic wigeon
5090ti more like.
toxic wigeon
I'd say 1000 sounds good but I don't think that'll be enough.
pastel field
and there you go your bbq meat is ready served
toxic wigeon
nice highscore
Damn how long did yours last!?
quick locust
Intel's are around 225W so not too bad
but theyre also pretty midrange
around 3060 ti
pastel field
Damn how long did yours last!?
the last time i had a desktop was back in 2016
💀
lost count on how many times I had to abuse the system
pastel field
it's a freakshow
quick locust
lol
toxic wigeon
Hahaha yeah.
toxic wigeon
Ohhh.
quick locust
Ya those are cool
toxic wigeon
Pretty nifty.
pastel field
1000IQ build
quick locust
I like wooden cases
toxic wigeon
Pizza box pc..
pastel field
it has a lock so that your cpu won't jump out escaping from the drawer
quick locust
only time where noctua fits in
pastel field
pastel field
Xbox Series X: Am I a joke to you???
toxic wigeon
Hahaha.
pastel field
I'm sorry I don't own consoles anymore
quick locust
Me neither unless you count a steam deck
toxic wigeon
Consoles are cool.
quick locust
Nah its fully open
toxic wigeon
It's a switch with some actual power.
quick locust
I have some Epic games on it
pastel field
glad i didn't get a nintendo
toxic wigeon
I just have a switch for the games.
I want a docked only switch.
I don't care if it's portable or not.
toxic wigeon
They've always gone well in the accessibility department.
quick locust
Ya
pastel field
xbox series s xScreen tho
toxic wigeon
?
pastel field
tho you still need it plugged
quick locust
Yeah a whole 0 pixels
toxic wigeon
CPU head warmer.
pastel field
convenient purposes yeah more space. At least for me I don't have to accidentally kick my system
💀
toxic wigeon
Accidentally.
prime jasper
looks like ufo
pale quartz
Yeah true though for a small gimmick it's a loss you can work with.
expect around 3x gains in RT with RDNA3
toxic wigeon
How much of a gain in nvidias end?
God I couldn't imagine playing serious sam rt on a 6800xt. It's already a hog for me.
pale quartz
15-20% depends on the SKU
toxic wigeon
Fair.
pale quartz
CUDA configs aren't changing that much this time round for LL so RT will be on the back burner for raster
toxic wigeon
I forgot. Does amd have its own DLSS?
pale quartz
no there's FSR, but it's not a competitor to DLSS
toxic wigeon
I dunno what it would be on their end I'm just asking what their variant is like.
Future... something renderer?
quick locust
FSR is worse but all 3 can use it
storm osprey
fsr 2.0 is pretty close now
quick locust
And doesn't have to be built into the game from the start
XeSS is a mix of the two, theres one version thats cross platform and the XMX version that is arc only
pale quartz
FSR 2.1 fixed most of 2.0's issues
ghosting etc is 90% gone they're virtually indistinguishable from one another
pale quartz
And doesn't have to be built into the game from the start
no it's a temporal upscaler so you can inject it into the game which is what RSR does with 1.0, DLSS does need to be built into the game though
toxic wigeon
First off. What's the acronym for FSR?
toxic wigeon
And secondly.
toxic wigeon
Say I wanted to run a 4k mod but obviously my monitor cannot support it. Will it automatically downscale?
pale quartz
no, it's an upscaler, not a downscaler
toxic wigeon
It's unrelated to that.
pale quartz
you're talking about supersampling, DLSS and FSR do not do that
quick locust
idk what AMDs super sampler is called
toxic wigeon
Sorta. The upscaler part reminded me of that. But I wonder if a downscaler exists.
quick locust
yes
toxic wigeon
I know dlss and fsr have zero interaction.
quick locust
nvidia has DSR
toxic wigeon
And that is the opposite correct?
pale quartz
idk what AMDs super sampler is called
CAS
toxic wigeon
Hmm..
quick locust
Render at higher res than the display
toxic wigeon
So it allows it to technically run in the gpus end but translates it for the monitor?
quick locust
yes
Good for some things like anti aliasing
Just runs worse than native obviously
toxic wigeon
Ye I cannot complain. It's a small mod for a game on the psp haha.
quick locust
You can always run DSR if you want to
Being able to inject FSR into games makes my steam deck pretty sweet
pale quartz
So it allows it to technically run in the gpus end but translates it for the mon...
no all the software translation is done at the driver level, the monitor doesnt have any physical interaction, it's just a dummy display
pale quartz
Being able to inject FSR into games makes my steam deck pretty sweet
steam deck processors be 70% the performance of your desktop chip
toxic wigeon
Of course I was just thinking of it just as that.
quick locust
lol actually
it's the same wattage as my laptop
but way faster
they're both 15W
toxic wigeon
I just think hey since this is running like this it needs some extra steps before sending to display.
quick locust
ryzen 3700U is just slow by comparison
toxic wigeon
Switch deck best switch.
Fuck I mean steam deck.
Fuck it
May as well be a switch deck.
pale quartz
how's that EAC treating you
quick locust
well if its apex or war thunder 
Not with 2042 but I doubt that would run even halfway decent on the SD
pale quartz
Not with 2042 but I doubt that would run even halfway decent on the SD
that's what you get you elite hax0r trying to aimbot with the deck
quick locust
But yeah I think only game I have with eac that i cant play on it is 2042
toxic wigeon
Too advanced.
storm osprey
umbral crater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIKC7e5f0A
Wtf is this thumbnail
storm osprey
boardzy is kind of a troll/meme kid
he commonly uses words like "dog shit" and "Based"
toxic wigeon
Was gonna say. Considering the state of mouse input well. Nothing's gonna feel right haha.
storm osprey
his reviews are really in depth and his priorities are in line with my own though
proud trellis
G502 still best mouse
toxic wigeon
G203 go brr.
prime jasper
I want starlight pro
dry pike
The new gen 502's - the G502 X series do seem pretty awesome though.
proud trellis
was thinking about getting it but i literally have no reason to
dry pike
slightly updated looks, new hybrid optical switches, new wireless protocol and a weight that doesn't scare me off - if I needed a new mouse it would be a contender for sure
proud trellis
i would get it but i've only had the G502 hero for like 6 months i think it is
maybe a bit longer
storm osprey
no thank you
prime jasper
The new gen 502's - the G502 X series do seem pretty awesome though.
not tryhard enough
that shape would be annoying
dry pike
The shape is what I like. Supports my hand way better than those small baby mice
molten coral
Yeah, that is the best thing about the G502, the amount of support.
prime jasper
You need vertical mouse
storm osprey
they are comfortable until you try to click
molten coral
Pretty much
toxic wigeon
Be a tryhard with a budget mouse and infuriate the competition.
storm osprey
its nice that budget mice can perform so well now
toxic wigeon
Honestly. It just does the job.
I might just buy another g203 or a similar product if it's discontinued.
In the future.
I wanted a g502 but I didn't realise how good I had it.
It's stable definitely.
But...
Hehe light mouse go brr.
storm osprey
if you like the g203 i recommend going to the viper mini
imo just about everything is better
this is coming from someone who had the original g pro and had 2 g203s
toxic wigeon
I was looking into it.
But yeah.
Would of been funny if I was still using my cheap wireless mouse.
toxic wigeon
Oh nah I got a keyboard mouse combo from kmart when I got my previous computer.
Lost the mouse. Mum gave me her g203 as the mouse wheel was cutting into her fingers.
Kept the keyboard until June this year.
Got my razer huntsman v2
Err.. kmart is just a store here.
storm osprey
you have kmarts? we used to but afaik they are all gone now, at least in usa
storm osprey
they were even more ghetto walmarts here
toxic wigeon
We don't have Walmarts which I'm kinda glad about.
prisma anvil
Just realized how a fast cpu and ram is crucial for 2042
8700k overclocked to 5.2ghz 4.8ghz ring ram at 3733 cl14 flat 2x8 1080p max settings, still cpu bottlenecked. gpu is 2080ti
Looks like intel 12th gen and 5800X3D are the go to
actually IDK how the 5800X3D performs in battlefield 2042
From Advanced Marketing Devices
prisma anvil
looks like a long bar of soap
pastel field
iron bread
umbral crater
What the hell is that keyboard my guy
prime jasper
keyboard looks very nice tho
quick locust
Both cpu and gpu way higher than mine, nice
humble iris
Old CPU still going good
quick locust
Ya, seems higher score than mine
humble iris
What CPU you have I forgot
prime jasper
why is the cpu score so much worse with 8700k
humble iris
8700K is 6-core 12-thread,
6950X is 10-core 20-thread
But in actual gaming his 8700K will crush my 6950X due to Single thread performance
In most games anyway
quick locust
Yeah 5.0
humble iris
Also his score will probably be better with an updated benchmark being 3 years difference
Too bad I have to take the 3080 TI out and give it back to my Son. lol... He was having black screen issues, I think its the power supply, So I'm installing a PSU in his, and was testing out his GPU..
prime jasper
all of the top 10 scores has 2x 3090 or 3090Ti
humble iris
I guess thats the only use for SLI these days
prime jasper
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26839665 this is with 2x 6900XT
guy named nvidia fan
xD
humble iris
I use to live in the top 99% years ago, my wallet is much fatter these days
I guess 3Dmark has a Storage Benchmark now.
not included the advanced edition
toxic wigeon
actually IDK how the 5800X3D performs in battlefield 2042
My mate with the 3070ti gets 130+ frames with his 5800x3d.
His CPU literally carries him.
molten flame
5800X3D is over 10% faster than 12900K in BFV and 2042
Battlefield benefits greatly from 3D cache
toxic wigeon
He only gets under 120 frames because of streaming. But only dips to 110.
Yeah and the lows are higher.
prisma anvil
1440p?
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
prisma anvil
thats not bad.
toxic wigeon
He's got a card made for it.
prisma anvil
I am somewhat impressed.
toxic wigeon
I am wondering how much the 7800x3d would push it.
prisma anvil
I think alot.
toxic wigeon
Thing probably won't even heat up.
Deco has an x3d too.
So it's worth asking him too about it.
toxic wigeon
Yeah.
toxic wigeon
I've been obsessed with it for some reason but that's because of my love with tech. I see Intel try something crazy I'm gonna obsess over that card.
molten flame
5800X3D is 22% faster than 5800X in BFV, pretty crazy considering reduced clocks
toxic wigeon
Not crazy but interesting.
That's the funny part.
It's a less powerful card technically.
prisma anvil
I think i'll hold off till 14th gen prob.
I don't think higher speed DDR5 is coming too soon
:C
toxic wigeon
You're still on your 8k?
prisma anvil
10850k
toxic wigeon
Oh right.
prisma anvil
8700k is my 750 dollars (no thanks to trash psu) backup
toxic wigeon
I'm thinking of waiting for ddr5 to develop more and get a 9800x3d to the far future.
prisma anvil
good idea
molten flame
DDR5 is maturing at a faster rate than DDR4 did
prisma anvil
true
toxic wigeon
That's the thing. A 7800x3d might come out at the perfect time.
prisma anvil
but I want the top ddr5 so I don't have to worry about it
toxic wigeon
But motherboard is another thing to consider too.
molten flame
DDR5 @ 8 GHz and CL32 or less will be great
toxic wigeon
Say I got a... b650. I may as well wait for a better developed b750.
prisma anvil
Yeah no doubt zen4 and ddr5 will have issues like intel z690
molten flame
High speed DDR5 will make a big difference for iGPUs
prisma anvil
always wise to wait and not get the 1st iteration
toxic wigeon
Z690 had issues with bottlenecking and shit right?
toxic wigeon
Uhhh....
prisma anvil
4 dimm anything 6000+ is a risk
toxic wigeon
Ahhh got it.
prisma anvil
saw numerous time when we build PC
molten flame
2x16GB DDR5 is all you need
toxic wigeon
No 2x8?
prisma anvil
u see our client with $$$ dont know better
molten flame
8GB DDR5 DIMMs are bottlenecked
lofty light
High speed DDR5 will make a big difference for iGPUs
By the time it makes a difference in a price affordable way, dgpus will be MUCH better again
toxic wigeon
Whew.
prisma anvil
also I think 130 fps 3070ti is gpu bottlenecked
toxic wigeon
u see our client with $$$ dont know better
Was it you that said clients were ringing up for the 3090ti as soon as it was revealed?
toxic wigeon
That is amazing.
toxic wigeon
By the way I bring up the 130 cause I'm being generous. I just remember it being past 120 but not 120 haha.
But yeah.
toxic wigeon
God damn.
toxic wigeon
Guess it does look pretty snazzy.
But they care about something that looks and functions well but doesn't know to properly utilise it.
Shove high end stuff and call it a day.
toxic wigeon
Lol what.
prisma anvil
its ok people are weird sometimes
toxic wigeon
Yeah it's not a bad card.
toxic wigeon
Haha.
prisma anvil
I did sooo many dumb stuff man
in my ddr3 days I didnt know how to OC ram. I set it from 1600 to 2000 and thats it. I would bsod everyday then its all better not knowing it went back to jedec.
toxic wigeon
Can't be as dumb as me buying a scalped gpu, waiting to collect the parts and a month later it's it's built the prices start to lower!!!!
Reeeeeeee!
prisma anvil
5 years later I realized my entire windows is corrupted
toxic wigeon
Ow.
prisma anvil
Yeah. my current PC devalued about 50%
but got my almost 2 years of enjoyment and taught me sooo much
when I first built it. It got a gigabyte P750GM 
toxic wigeon
It was the gpu that cost so much. Nothing else at least.
lofty light
My first PC had a GTX650 in it, just after the 900 series was released
prisma anvil
I had a 3070 strix on a P750GM daisy chained
lofty light
toxic wigeon
Haha.
pastel field
F
quick locust
I had a 3070 strix on a P750GM daisy chained
toxic wigeon
8GB DDR5 DIMMs are bottlenecked
By how much? Do you really need 32 gigs?
Is it possible to have 8 x 2's that are not bottle necked?
quick locust
molten flame
By how much? Do you really need 32 gigs?
Is it possible to have 8 x 2's that ar...
nah apparently having only 8GB on a single stick of DDR5 pretty much cuts down the bandwidth to DDR4 levels
it needs 16GB each stick
toxic wigeon
How annoying.
Guess at that point saying you un bottle neck, You may as well pay for extra ram instead of that.
terse glade
Seems like a whole Generation shift is ahead of us
Lucky me I don't have the desire to be the first with that
prime jasper
from pcgamer review of Ryzen 7 5700X
been looking benchmarks for a while and "intel alder lake is simply better" don't really make sense to me
molten flame
Zen 3D is better than Alder Lake lol
in gaming anyway
even regular Zen 3 can still hold up well with Alder Lake in games
prime jasper
yeah 5700X is actually very good for the price at least here
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/qa7s6Ms9TqDBE96ZC6isFh.png im on 1440p and kinda want to upgrade from 11400f mainly for getting better lows
molten flame
its a small change for having to deal with the headache of changing out motherboards
motherboard is by far the most annoying component to replace
prime jasper
my case is very easy access so it wont be
im addind cable mod anyway so why not change it at same time 😄
molten flame
also will likely need to buy a Windows activation key with a new motherboard unless you can get the one off your current motherboard but that doesn't always work
quick locust
Pretty easy to change motherboard on mine
Just a lot of cables to take out
Idk whether to just switch case too though though
molten flame
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/qa7s6Ms9TqDBE96ZC6isFh.png im on 1440p and kin...
you have to take note that this graph is using a RTX 3090, your 3070 won't let CPU performance have this much margin
molten flame
marginally tbh especially at 1440p with a RTX 3070
prime jasper
and make video edits go faster
quick locust
Very dope
molten flame
lol
prime jasper
there's huge difference on 11400f vs 5700X on that kind of stuff
its also 8 core vs 6
quick locust
Also much different price lol
prime jasper
yeah but don't matter what's the price in other countries
i would still need to pay import fees
molten flame
VAT in europe is so bad
we only pay 7% tax for stuff here, meanwhile european countries usually over 20%
prime jasper
24%
quick locust
25%
Then blank media tax for anything that can store pirated content
Which counts RAM and vram too
prime jasper
oh yeah that's KF forgot it exist, its 309€ here
also seems like 1700 motherboards are more expensive
while am4 you can get good b550 board for 150€
prime jasper
i do have am4 motherboard too and it supports 5000 series
nice
now to wait price cuts
terse glade
It will be the last am4 Ryzen CPU
terse glade
Price cut or maybe even a price raise because all want to get the last am4 cpu
It could happen both ways
U never know : 👀
molten flame
while am4 you can get good b550 board for 150€
hell even $70 A520 is fine, Ryzen doesn't need the option to overclock anyway but most cheap motherboards have awful built-in audio controllers/codecs
toxic wigeon
I have heard the x3d will be reduced by a bit right before the 7000 series.
Or something.
prime jasper
She served me well, and now she sleeps
prime jasper
upgraded to a 3700X because I desperately needed a performance uplift, but its more of a temporary upgrade until I can get a 5800X3D
toxic wigeon
Hell yeah x3d let's go.
Can you really not just get one right now? A bit hard to obtain?
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's fair. You got a good replacement for now and that should last a bit.
prime jasper
I mean the 1700 has lasted me 5 years
so im pretty happy
I may just wait until AM5, DDR5 and whatever next gen will come after ryzen 7000
i have rare 1600AF somewhere here
the next upgrade I need to make is probably GPU as my 1080 is getting pretty old now as well
prime jasper
unfortunately the 5800X3D is just too pricy at the moment for me, I would 100% have got one but its out of my budget right now
prisma anvil
If u know what u are doing. Zen3 is a intel 10th gen competitor in gaming.
prime jasper
its still around £350 to £400 or more
prisma anvil
12th gen shouldn't even be mentioned with zen3 in gaming unless it's 3D
If u are on a budget u can do either 12400f or 5600
prime jasper
nah im not buying intel again, im good
prime jasper
bad experience many a year ago with my last PC, had an 8th gen i5 that kicked the bucket after only two years of use out of nowhere, which is why I made the switch
prisma anvil
Oh OK that's understandable
AMD fails 4 times more than intel at the place I work at so I never recommend amd to my personal friend so I get you.
prime jasper
Then 5600
I considered it, but I don't think I could lose those 2 cores going from an 8 to a 6. I do some virtualisation testing on PC so having more cores and threads available is pretty useful
prisma anvil
Oh then 5700X
prisma anvil
Then u wait
prisma anvil
U have 3700X?
prime jasper
yeah
prime jasper
yeah I can make it last another 3 years at least, my 1700 managed 5
prisma anvil
Yeah
prime jasper
Productivity wise
gaming is perfectly fine as well
I really don't care for going all out
FPS wise, as long as I can drive 4K 60, or 1080p 144hz, which as far as I can tell from testing, its able to just fine
prisma anvil
gaming is perfectly fine as well
I mean it can get by I guess
Yeah if it's good enough for u def use it still
prime jasper
the only reason I even upgraded was because of 2042 and its piss poor optimisation
every other game has been fine for me, but 2042 is just a mess regardless of the hardware it seems, so even a minor upgrade should help
prime jasper
To be fair. You're running an old CPU on that game.
yeah doesn't change all the other people with issues with much newer hardware, having older hardware just makes it worse
prisma anvil
2042 is very cpu demanding, it's not really bad optimization. Its just cpu demanding. There are 128 players on the field. And all the fights going on.
Unless u want 2042 too look like pubg it's gonna use the cpu
prisma anvil
I tested soo many cpus to be honest and for 2042 u need either 8700k, 9700k, 9900k 10th to 12th gen or Zen3 (all need at least 6 cores 12 threads except 9700k)
Zen2 is very slow in gaming not gonna lie.
prime jasper
well i'll just have to make do
im not made of money, and circumstances are not on my side these days
prime jasper
im gonna tinker around with overclocking later when I have time
prisma anvil
Don't need to do much zen2 doesn't have pbo2
Just set a voltage around 1.3v and a clockspeed around 4.3ghz, stress test and ur done.
For a tinker like me zen3 = 10th gen and 11th gen in gaming but less consistent and headache to tune.
5800X 3D is awesome. Will have to max out a 12600k or 12700k with bdie to beat it.
prisma anvil
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/qa7s6Ms9TqDBE96ZC6isFh.png im on 1440p and kin...
Wtf. How is a 5700X faster than 5800X. It's the same cpu basically
Weird test.
toxic wigeon
Built different.
prime jasper
I would ignore the stock 5800x result tbh
pale quartz
Wtf. How is a 5700X faster than 5800X. It's the same cpu basically
one is using PBO, and the other has it forcibly switched off, it tanks performance
prisma anvil
one is using PBO, and the other has it forcibly switched off, it tanks performan...
I see. I didn't know u can force turn off pbo. Prob one is pbo stock limit and another one pbo mobo limits.
pale quartz
you can yeah PBO has default/enabled/disabled, if you forcibly switch it off CPPC also gets kicked in the teeth
pale quartz
I see. I didn't know u can force turn off pbo. Prob one is pbo stock limit and a...
contrary to most assumptions setting it to motherboard limits is an extremely bad idea
PBO scaling is dependent on EDC and PPT usage if you set it to unlimited it goes off the rails
prisma anvil
contrary to most assumptions setting it to motherboard limits is an extremely ba...
I know this already lol
I've oc ed too many zen3 cpu
Big hassle
molten flame
prime jasper
ok so far im seeing a 20-40FPS or more increase in 2042, so its definitely made a sizeable difference. Framerate seems more stable as well, pretty much no stuttering or massive drops. Much much better than before.
CPU usage however is much lower, down to about 35-40%, compared to what used to be around 80 before hand at 1080p. Haven't tested at 4K yet.
prime jasper
Yeah its cpu intensive game
Conquest 128 best way to test cpu 😄
I can notice my 11400f being pushed but no major stutters
prisma anvil
ok so far im seeing a 20-40FPS or more increase in 2042, so its definitely made ...
nice!
prime jasper
Yeah its cpu intensive game
Seems to be, but its still not using much, only about 40% ish on average when in a match
pale quartz
Seems to be, but its still not using much, only about 40% ish on average when in...
Zen 2 is heavily IPC bound so this is normal behaviour
prisma anvil
The game uses about 8 threads? Something like that
molten flame
4 cores/8 threads not enough for 2042
prisma anvil
Of course cause ur running everything else in the background
humble iris
Mine is using mostly 10-cores, lightly on the threads (2042)
quick locust
toxic wigeon
Hey a bit of a question.
In the microcentres can you trade I'm old tech and get an upgrade for it at a reduced price?
Trading in an Amd 1600 for a 3600x for example.
prisma anvil
Nope.
toxic wigeon
Shame.
prisma anvil
That would be crazy
toxic wigeon
Would be cool as it would encourage upgrades and recycle the older chips.
prisma anvil
Would lose them money
prisma anvil
I'm already surprised how MC have prices so low.
toxic wigeon
Of course you'd have to pay for the trade in.
Like 100 to 150 dollars depending on the quality of the chip.
They do it here in EB games where you can trade in your xbox one for a series x at a reduced price of 500 dollars (750 AUD MSRP)
prisma anvil
What are they gonna do with the chips tho. Recycle is cool but that don't pay
toxic wigeon
True but this shortage made me think that.
Things are getting better but we are wasteful.
pale quartz
True but this shortage made me think that.
there was never a "shortage" in the way people think about it
it's a shortage of semiconductor fabrication plants, not one of supply
toxic wigeon
Got it though it does have me thinking.
molten flame
I remember seeing Ryzen 5 2600X for only $80 at Microcenter and you could get a decent B450 motherboard with it for an extra $20
quick locust
wish we had something similiar
elgiganten and power stink in comparison
also much more mainstream focused
prisma anvil
MC is truly awesome got 3 12700k over there in 3 different build for my friend.
prime jasper
elgiganten and power stink in comparison
i never buy pc parts there, we have jimms pc store that's owned by german caseking and then couple other stores
quick locust
Rip
toxic wigeon
An x3d cheaper than a 5800x?
prime jasper
yea don't know what they are thinking
toxic wigeon
Can't complain at that point.
umbral crater
<:WoahThink:562440526021001230>
prime jasper
jimms always have prices that aren't weird but some products are slightly more expensive
terse glade
Jimmy neutron
storm osprey
In the microcentres can you trade I'm old tech and get an upgrade for it at a re...
pretty sure nvidia has a trade up program
prime jasper
molten flame
DLSS looking more and more dumb
prisma anvil
Wait so someone said there are already 9 versions of AGESA for zen4...
bruh
I can't w8 for the new adapter clown show
Also Friday I am tasked to tune 4x16 ddr5 on gigabyte board
sounds like pain :C
quick locust
humble iris
I really hope Intel hangs in there with the GPU, I will probably buy one of the ARC just to support it, but I don't want a A380.
molten flame
Wait so someone said there are already 9 versions of AGESA for zen4...
AM5 socket has more AGESA issues than AM4 
prisma anvil
tbf I recommend people to not be an early adopter. Z690 was abit of a clownfest as well, ddr5 only.
z690 DDR4 is great cause they got that thing ironed out with 11th gen gears
molten flame
Zen4 DDR5 support is only slightly better than Alder-Lake too, but seems like Raptor-Lake is that way as well
rumors about 8 GHz DDR5 definitely not happening on first gen AM5 and final gen LGA1700
quick locust
pale quartz
https://twitter.com/hermita_akiba/status/1570302469879779329?s=20&t=iNffDs-Jf8QK...
more vaporware
prime jasper
arc is pretty much officially cancelled anyway, its been in the tech news this week
its getting 2 gens, maybe 3 at most, but they aren't dumping any more money into it
it just isn't living up to their expectations at all, the best they can manage is to compete with the low end of what NVIDIA and AMD have to offer in terms of gaming performance.
They should just push the ARC developments over into the HPC and server market and focus on that side, rather than trying to penetrate a market that is already well established and seeing fairly significant performance improvements gen over gen. Intel will not be able to keep up. So the best they can do is change their focus onto professional workloads and the datacenter markets where they can try to level the playing field and still get a good return on their investment (because enterprise gear always generates more revenue even when the parts are effectively the same as the consumer hardware with minor configuration changes).
Perhaps at best they can try and get efficiency as best as possible and they can squeeze an ARC GPU into a separate lineup of CPUs similar to what AMD has done with Ryzen. Start to push the envelope of what people should expect from integrated graphics solutions.
pale quartz
They should just push the ARC developments over into the HPC and server market a...
1: arc is already in HPC 2: it will not be "cancelled" the discrete GPU line will be, arc itself will live on as an architecture
prime jasper
yeah thats what I meant
I didn't realise it already had an established presence in the HPC market, all ive seen is to do with the gaming cards
well thats good at least
pale quartz
arc was developed with HPC in mind not prosumer, the architecture was written to take advantage of high computation instruction sets
cancelling discrete =/= more efficiency in their processors, that's not how that works
molten flame
all Arc needs to do is undercut Radeon/Nvidia's low and mid-range with aggressive pricing
pale quartz
considering arc isn't making money to begin with at these budget broken prices that's kinda difficult
molten flame
true, the dies are bigger than their CPU dies, yet priced much lower than CPUs
they probably paid more for TSMC 6nm than it costs to make their own 7 node
ebon yarrow
Does anyone know of a way to split my output audio lines so that shadowplay records my games, but ignores the browser for spotify or youtube for example?
ebon yarrow
oooh
prime jasper
shadow play don't have many settings for audio so you need to install software that makes you have virtual sound device
obs might have built in thing to record certain apps only im not sure
midnight crypt
it does afaik
ebon yarrow
https://cmetcalfe.ca/blog/record-audio-from-specific-applications-with-shadowpla...
Oh my god it works wonders!
Played both spotify and a youtube video whilst in the menu ingame and recorded with shadowplay...
Nothing but the game could be heard
Thank you so much 
prime jasper
Oh my god it works wonders!
Played both spotify and a youtube video whilst in th...
no problem
ebon yarrow
I will no longer have to mute all my highlights I post. Cause like I always listen to either music or have a video in the background
prime jasper
molten flame
terse glade
nice
pale quartz
So few phases on it compared to my 2080 ti
can't overclock it when it doesn't work
humble iris
WOW! EVGA is dropping Nvidia, no more EVGA Nvidia GPUs, No RTX 4000 series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Hcbx33Rb4
pale quartz
WOW! EVGA is dropping Nvidia, no more EVGA Nvidia GPUs, No RTX 4000 series. http...
has been a long time coming now
AIBs have been hinting at this for about a year now that they're thinking about cutting their relationship with Nvidia, most can't afford to though, EVGA, for the medium term anyways can
pale quartz
EVGA won't partner with intel, their cards barely function, and well barely exist, it'll be at least another 3-4 years before they'll even take up the offer
the only other company is AMD on the GPU front, and the CEO admits as much
humble iris
I'm optimistic, if Nvidia keeps it up they will end up blackballed, and if no money then they will not have the power to compete like they do today.
pale quartz
ironically Nvidia won't care about this
they'll be pissed at what the CEO had to say about what went on but they've been pretty clear that they would rather not have AIBs be partnered, and only they sell the cards
they don't have the manufacturing front to allow that to happen with the founders edition, and won't for a while, but this news will just encourage them
humble iris
It's ultimately in the hands of the consumer though.
pale quartz
of which 80% of the market buy Nvidia cards, so they don't lose out on the matter really
humble iris
for now
pale quartz
now, them partnering with AMD has the potential to change that, but intel, no chance
even EVGA aren't going to risk their brand reputation they built up over the last 2 decades on non functioning cards that isn't their problem
humble iris
True but in the "Future" we will see alot of things
pale quartz
in 5+ years yes, perhaps, but until then, intel are a non consideration
once intel actually demonstrate commitment to a market they themselves aren't totally in on will EVGA then consider it
they did the same with AMD once b450 came out
humble iris
Time will tell. I hope they learned they lesson with the Crypto scandal, selling pallets of GPUs to Crypto minors while the gamers were shit on. It;s not even over yet. Now they have inflation to deal with. Good luck selling $2000.00 GPUs to poor people/
pale quartz
also another reason why Lovelace has been delayed so long for launch
humble iris
I don't want to see them go away, I just want to see them humbled.
I will support EVGA as much as possible though, even if they early adopt ARC
pale quartz
the announcement timing is rather odd
I suspect there's been discussions going on with EVGA and intel/AMD in the background for a while now for them to pull a decision like this
certainly isn't something you decide just ad-hoc, won't be surprised if we see a kingpin (paper launch) arc or 7900xt card
humble iris
Thats what I was thinking as well
prime jasper
Will have to keep an eye on EVGA
right now they're saying they want out of the GPU market entirely
an interesting move that puts their business at great risk
but honestly I admire them for standing up against NVIDIAs shitty practices
all the AIB manufacturers have had to deal with NV's shit through the pandemic, the crypto craze and now the massive price drops
NV wanting them to sell excess stock of current and previous gen GPUs at a loss is probably the nail in the coffin for them, especially after they were paying extortionate amounts of money for the privilege of building nvidia cards during the mining craze, when NVIDIA had worked out they had a gold mine on their hands and could get away with massively inflated pricing.
Switching to AMD would be a good move especially if RDNA 3 is as big of an improvement as has been hinted. Could definitely see some RX 7000 series EVGA cards coming if they negotiate a good deal.
I may end up switching to AMD once the 7000 series comes out anyway, im long overdue an upgrade
molten flame
the dramatic decrease of GPU demand this year blindsided Nvidia, and they don't want to lose profit margin so they take away a bigger slice of AIB partner's profit
in a couple generations from now you could see Nvidia ditch third-party manufacturers as a whole since they want everyone to buy their Founder's Edition cards anyway
prime jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9QES-FUAM gamers nexus video about it, interesting indeed
EVGA get 300% more profit from PSU's than GPU's
gamers nexus videos usually good on things like these
terse glade
i dont use ray tracing anyway tbh
molten flame
quick locust
prime jasper
how do i fix 100% cpu usage in bf1 and bf5?
@prime jasper what cpu do you have?
bf5/bf1 are cpu munchers which will really eat up any cpu thrown at it
i have a 12th gen i5-12400f and i get 200+fps in Battlefield V but CPU usage is still 90-100%
prime jasper
i have a 12th gen i5-12400f and i get 200+fps in Battlefield V but CPU usage is ...
i have a i5 9400F have like 150fps but a lot of lags
yeah it will be at 100% usage the entire time then during games like Battlefield1/5
that was the CPU I had before this one and it was constantly at 100% in these games as well
but my game lags a lot with 150fps
molten flame
i have a i5 9400F have like 150fps but a lot of lags
6 thread CPU isn't enough for stable frametimes in BF5
prime jasper
6 thread CPU isn't enough for stable frametimes in BF5
i played like 2 months ago really stable
terse glade
My r7 3800x I can underclock to 3.2ghz and still stable frames on ultra bf5
prime jasper
and then i bought a new gpu
pale quartz
and then i bought a new gpu
lol buying a new graphics card increases the raster load on your processor, you should be aiming for 8 cores by default for battlefield games anyways
terse glade
and there isnt sadly any solution for it because u can decrease graphic settings and resolution as much as you can it still will stutter
pale quartz
prime jasper
:(
prime jasper
how do i fix 100% cpu usage in bf1 and bf5?
Play a good Battlefield like 3 or 4
prime jasper
Play a good Battlefield like 3 or 4
too many good people there xD
terse glade
isnt setting a thermal throttle limit on BIOS the easiest method to undervolt/underclock a CPU? because the eco mode completely is useless on mine (ignores all limits even if its enabled). but setting the throttle limit like to 65c (normally temp goes up to 85c) automatically sets the cpu into a eco mode and that more intelligently as far what i have experienced
that method i would say isnt really popular yet i dare to say
conclusion: disable eco-mode
enable the heat throttle limit on BIOS
for your desired temps
it automatically underclocks/undervolts the cpu to ur desired temp
on full load
prisma anvil
what?
this is as bad as using geforce experience and dragging the sliders
I recommend set a manual voltage, clock speed, loadline calibration and test test test
terse glade
I recommend set a manual voltage, clock speed, loadline calibration and test tes...
you cant really do a calibration on bios
and i achieve higher ghz's using the thermal throttle limit method
i achieved 4.4ghz recently
it would immediately shut down if i would set that manually
prisma anvil
loadline calibration
terse glade
it would immediately shut down if i would set that manually
on like 1.2v
prisma anvil
is ur cpu a locked cpu?
terse glade
i dont have any loadline calibration on my bios
i think newer have an auto undervolt program
but mine doestn
prisma anvil
sync all core on the clock speed, voltage set to manual or over ride mode depending on which mobo u have
terse glade
that started with zen 3
prisma anvil
oh u have zen3?
prisma anvil
whats wrong with that?
terse glade
so when im such watching netflix the CPU is running on crazy high volt and energy safe mode isnt working anymore if u have set an fixed voltage
prisma anvil
1.3v is not crazy high voltage
stock amd pumps almost 1.5v when u watch netflix
its how precision boost overdrive works
terse glade
thats crazy high, when i enable energy saving mode it runs on 0,95v
terse glade
ofc and heat
prisma anvil
ur cpu is not drawing much energy and heat if its not doing anything
terse glade
after i tried so much things setting the thermal throttle limit on bios actually the easiest method
i crashed my pc so much time with adjusting the perfect voltage and ghz
prisma anvil
then stop lol
terse glade
and when i finally set the perfect voltage and ghz the fixed voltage annoyed me
terse glade
i just wanted to say that when ur fiddling around trying to find the best CPU setting, adjusting the thermal throttle limit is worth a try 😄
so far its working fine i will try soon playing bf5 and report further
prisma anvil
ur in zen2 anyways I would either static OC or go into pbo1 settings manually typing a edc tdc and ppt +200 on boost and set throttle limit to 85 c and call it a day
terse glade
my throttle limit is now at 65c
terse glade
my throttle limit is now at 65c
and it still reached 4.3ghz
like i said im pretty amazed by the results so far
and it dont really exceed 65c
that suprised the most
prisma anvil
sounds like an average zen2 chip
terse glade
sounds like an average zen2 chip
on stock it goes up to 88c
we speak of 20c difference with almost no performance decrease
prisma anvil
so u are sustaining around 65c when u are doing a heavy workload?
and ur at 4.3 ghz?
terse glade
so u are sustaining around 65c when u are doing a heavy workload?
ye, i can upload a benchmark while playing bf5 if u want
prisma anvil
No it does both
U can see when doing a cpu test it will tell u an average clock frequency
terse glade
ok
prisma anvil
The way you do it it's most likely ur cpu will downclock in heavy workload.
Unless u have insane cooling that never makes the cpu go over 65
terse glade
The way you do it it's most likely ur cpu will downclock in heavy workload.
i cant really say for sure how it will handle bf5 on full lobby but im excited
first i make a coffee
and something sweet
then i play a bit ^^
pale quartz
i cant really say for sure how it will handle bf5 on full lobby but im excited
you'll be disappointed to find out that the "4.3ghz" measure isn't actually your core clocks, each are independent from each other, so the rest will be downclocking
you can't have both massively limiting the voltage scalar and "high"-ish clocks, it's one or the other
tawny cargo
Is there any reason why my GPU usage is between 0-2% while playing BF2042?
terse glade
you can't have both massively limiting the voltage scalar and "high"-ish clocks,...
the thing is, i didnt even undervolted it. i just set the thermal throttle limit to 65c and the rest does the cpu automatically
look at it deco
my benchmark
pale quartz
the thing is, i didnt even undervolted it. i just set the thermal throttle limit...
yeah, its still artificially locking the voltage
wait wrong thing
i was talking about the eco mode, your game will still work fine as you wont see the other cores being downclocked, but its still not ideal
terse glade
i was talking about the eco mode, your game will still work fine as you wont see...
the eco mode on amds absolutely dont work on me (ignores all limits and runs same like on stock settings)
at least on my zen 2 cpu
pale quartz
yeah its a non-mandatory setting within the AGESA that motherboard vendors can choose to actually implement or not
terse glade
if i would do the benchmark test on eco mode you would see 80c+ temps
on the same performance
pale quartz
most dont is the tldr youll only find it actually working on high end boards
terse glade
yeah its a non-mandatory setting within the AGESA that motherboard vendors can c...
ryzen master app shows the eco mode being active tho
pale quartz
thats just a boolean trigger, the actual logic is different, there are core and power limits
terse glade
thankfully i can delete the garbage ryzen master altough it has some useful infos on it but i dont have no use for it anymore
pale quartz
yeahh id ill advise using ryzen master, its a good way to lock out your system if youve done any BIOS level tweaks
terse glade
im suprised the thermal throttle limit settings work so good tbh
pale quartz
decent for CCX manipulation but thats about it
terse glade
i wish more would know about it
with temp issues
because its actually quiet easy but no one ever mentioned it
pale quartz
it isnt always ideal, not all binned cores can handle it in a stable manner
those with bronze cores will end up crashing their system
terse glade
those with bronze cores will end up crashing their system
they wont achieve that temps anyway
pale quartz
temperature limits affects LLC aswell not just the temperatures
so itll blue screen bronze core systems, which is why power targets are loose on purpose
terse glade
temperature limits affects LLC aswell not just the temperatures
so you mean the cpu wouldnt give enough cores in that case with that thermal throttle?
basically?
pale quartz
give enough voltage to the cores yes