Well I set everything to DC now except the CPU fan ofc
#technology
terse glade
I would love to replace my r7 3800x with an R5 5500
prime jasper
whyy
terse glade
Better performance and better lower heat
terse glade
Ye that's why I keep it until it dies
prime jasper
5500 just doesnt sound like it should be faster than 3800X
quick locust
Faster single worse multi iirc
prime jasper
Ye that's why I keep it until it dies
we probably have ryzen 9000 series or something when that happens
probably higher
terse glade
I will replace it until I can't play any modern games anymore which won't happen so soon
I'm ok with medium graphic settings
Probably UE 5 will change everything
prime jasper
i would suspect gpu dying before cpu
terse glade
Not sure what you did with yours but GPU last their 10 years normally as well π
short pawn
whats the best AMD driver currently
terse glade
The latest
prime jasper
well if your drivers isnt causing problems i'd stay with it
to me thats the best driver
i was so done with the constant fighting with amd drivers
had 5700XT
i hear 6000 series are better
terse glade
Do you use Ryzen master?
prime jasper
im on intel & nvidia combo
terse glade
Oh I thought ur on Ryzen as well
prime jasper
i will be looking at the new ryzen, don't remember if its 6000 or 7000 π
terse glade
I would take a look at the newest 5 series
I think they're the best in terms of efficiency
Best Balance
prime jasper
you can't really talk about unreleased cpu tho
i don't necessarily need new cpu right away but im upgrading it next
short pawn
well if your drivers isnt causing problems i'd stay with it
All of them
All
Of
Them cause problems
Rn I'm just trying to install 22.8.2 and the amernime third party driver
prime jasper
only on certain games or on everything?
short pawn
only on 2042
quick locust
i will be looking at the new ryzen, don't remember if its 6000 or 7000 π
7000 series soon
Pretty cool ones π new platform too
short pawn
no clue how to fix it then
i even used pro drivers
prime jasper
Pretty cool ones π new platform too
yea i will have my eyes focused on em
7700X would be my go to
that is if it doesn't disappoint somehow
TDP of 170W scares me if thats true on 7900X
because more watts mean more heat
that is something you can't cheat
short pawn
Is 550w enough for 2x8 16gb ram, Rx 5600xt and i59400f
quick locust
because more watts mean more heat
Theyre almost the same thing
Power consumption is conversion to 99,9% heat
Rest light
prime jasper
Theyre almost the same thing
yes
dry pike
Is 550w enough for 2x8 16gb ram, Rx 5600xt and i59400f
Google "PC power supply calculator" π
prime jasper
might be less than you think
quick locust
For some reason theyre expensive
prime jasper
i though mine would be 400
quick locust
Well I have 2080 ti and ocd 8700K
prime jasper
3070 and 11400F with unlocked power limit
125W
but it dont use 125
around 100
what was 2080ti tdp? 270W
i would guess your draws around 400
prime jasper
i've seen cheaper
dry pike
this is me idling and being on discord
quick locust
Nice
dry pike
lets see what 2042 can do to change that
prime jasper
i inherited some stuff from my grandparents house, there was electricity stuff so i have measurement tool now xD
prime jasper
thats my plan
dry pike
2042 in the menu
prime jasper
2042 in the menu
you have 3090 or something?
dry pike
you have 3090 or something?
3080ti
quick locust
Pretty cool, wish my psu had it
prime jasper
what software is that i wanna see how accurate it is
dry pike
That is icue, built for Corsair hardware. But if you have a digital PSU then HW info can tell you the same things.
toxic wigeon
507 with a 3080ti???
Have you Oc'd it at all?
I get round 200 to 250 W on my 3080.
prime jasper
i have no clue if i have digital psu
dry pike
Read the convo Way π It is complete PSU usage, not just GPU π
dry pike
How can you check your overall draw?
Either you have a digital PSU as mentioned 5 posts higher up or you stick a measuring thing between the plug and your computer.
There was an image but guess someone removed it.
toxic wigeon
I see digital PSU and I wasn't sure on what it was entirely so that's why I asked.
dry pike
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193-16.html explains it pretty well
dapper saffron
every user is different
if a phone is foldable and thin which can turn into size of ipad mini i think reading pdf or articles will be easier and fun + watching videos will also become more fun , right now that foldable tech isn't at its best but I think Samsung is still doing great if only it will get thinner more durable it will be awesome, just some opinions i am sharing with you 
umbral crater
My friend once had a foldable phone and after like several days the half of the screen was damaged
midnight crypt
tell him he should never touch a phone again
pale quartz
https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce/status/1567659030247575552
lol more bullshit marketing from Nvidia who's surprised
molten flame
prisma anvil
Well I have 2080 ti and ocd 8700K
I just built a 8700k + 2080ti as my back up!
hallow kraken
are there any specific settings that affect CPU noticeably? I have no problems running the game on low, medium, or high settings except my CPU is getting really hot, (usually like 80-85 but for some reason on low it shot up to like 90-95 but I've changed several settings outside of just the graphics so hard to pin down if it was something else I did). Gonna be awhile before I can get and install new or more cooling stuff like fans but finding specifics online about settings affecting CPU temps is hard to sift through
woven coral
I have a problem with my battlefield 3 wasn't launched
they give me a white screen when i joined from battlelog
somebody need to help me?
prime jasper
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/m27q-x might upgrade to this and use my current as secondary 
short pawn
I have a problem with my battlefield 3 wasn't launched
they give me a white scre...
If your using some other browser
Battlelog only uses main browsers like edge, internet explorer and chrome ect
Nothing like brave or opera gx
calm delta
2042 in the menu
bruh
dry pike
Never enough. Must get more RGB.
calm delta
Never enough. Must get more RGB.
makes sense, get some RGB strips to light up the room as well
+69 FPS
dry pike
My cpu limits the fps in single thread focused titles like 2042 but still do 90 there and 144 otherwise so all good.
prime jasper
My cpu limits the fps in single thread focused titles like 2042 but still do 90 ...
Ultra?
dry pike
Y
prime jasper
DLSS?
calm delta
My cpu limits the fps in single thread focused titles like 2042 but still do 90 ...
yea 2042 runs quite meh on mine as well, just opted to run it at 80-90 FPS with Ray Tracing instead of 110FPS without RT
prime jasper
No, runs worse. Have plenty of gfx power, cpu is the bottleneck
Yeah i don't know should i use DLSS in 2042 or no
it felt weird
dry pike
DLSS doesn't make sense for everything.
dry pike
Conquest 128 has the most dips. Especially if lots of people are shooting and exploding stuff near you.
prime jasper
Yeah 1% lows was 50 ish
I have probably slight cpu bottleneck also with 11400F thats why im getting upgrade next
molten flame
BRO WHAT
only the i5-13600K and up will be based on 13th gen Raptor-Lake cores
13600 non-K and below are Alder-lake
Intel already lost the next generation
prime jasper
I was targeting higher performance than those for my upgrade, either from intel or amd
which ever delivers better gaming performance
we shall wait..
molten flame
we shall wait..
Ryzen 7000 with 3D cache would probably be the best bet
prime jasper
Depends how much it will cost.
Im looking to get 7700X
if i go AMD
If intel beats them on that range i go with that
storm osprey
hopefully amd announcing the 7700x first means its a better value than the 5800x was at launch
pale quartz
only the i5-13600K and up will be based on 13th gen Raptor-Lake cores
actually not a new thing, rocket lake lower SKUs were based on skylake, they've just been quite conspicuous trying to hide this from being publicly announced compared to when they were straightforward about it
prime jasper
Bit OC'd
woven coral
bf3 is not launching is just white screen with windowed mode again.
I am i5-2500 and I got cpu 60.7 highset. is closing when I join server anddd i closed and wasn't opened
I had to chat here.
prime jasper
Its not tech support and you were helped before.
woven coral
Is it technology what do you think
minor crypt
pls guys help me
a day ago , i went to find a random squad but i wated for ever it just says finding a squad ,even more when i go to servers list u can see that ping is hidden pls help -_-
pale quartz
@minor crypt @woven coral
umbral crater
<@831197288340652032> <@493160337437229056>
Deco sending this screen for 1000th time
quick locust
Qnap had the great idea to constantly beep failed system fan when I turn the NAS off
short pawn
Do we have technology
Or are we still cavemen SpongeBob
molten flame
iGPU's from Meteor-Lake CPUs onwards will use Architectures derived from the discrete GPUs
pale quartz
iGPU's from Meteor-Lake CPUs onwards will use Architectures derived from the dis...
you mean cancelled cards 
molten flame
I doubt they're canceled but knowing their current CEO it's possible
they better not cancel it, they should just take a loss for this generation and hope they can get Battlemage out before RDNA4 or Blackwell
hasty sparrow
Anyone play on console here?
Gfβs son has a PS5 and I just gave him Alienware 1080p 240hz monitor but it says 60hz in performance mode on console.
molten flame
PS5 monitor support is real shotty
molten flame
it should do 120Hz tbh but that can vary from the type of monitor
pale quartz
I doubt they're canceled but knowing their current CEO it's possible
gelsinger wanted discrete arc, but it's canned now
pale quartz
Gfβs son has a PS5 and I just gave him Alienware 1080p 240hz monitor but it says...
the ps5 doesn't support 240hz, the max is 120
molten flame
Sony just finally added 1440p support for the PS5 lmao
and it isn't a smooth implementation tbh
toxic wigeon
I doubt they're canceled but knowing their current CEO it's possible
Wait what?
hasty sparrow
the ps5 doesn't support 240hz, the max is 120
Well I tried everything but it loosk like from google if you cant set monitor to 120hz it wont work
I know it wont push 240 but I thought it would work at 120
molten flame
pretty sure you can only change refresh rate of a monitor by using Windows or a GPU's software, which isn't available on consoles
hasty sparrow
Which is terrible because my 27β 1440p is 165 hz default and 180 hz overclock so it must be a very few monitors that are 120 hz
midnight crypt
you can via settings on xbox
molten flame
there might be some monitors out there with a dedicated setting to change refresh rate
hasty sparrow
Besides the very expensive ones that Sony is pushing out soon π
molten flame
you can via settings on xbox
Xbox has very many good QoL features compared to PlayStation, ngl
hasty sparrow
Sony is scum
terse glade
so basically the ps5 then caps at 120 fps on a 144hz or more monitor
or what
i mean
120fps aint that bad
terse glade
Gfβs son has a PS5 and I just gave him Alienware 1080p 240hz monitor but it says...
uh ok that sucks
hasty sparrow
so basically the ps5 then caps at 120 fps on a 144hz or more monitor
It wouldnt work on a 144hz monitor either if you cant set it to 120hz
Its crazy that the monitor has to be able to switch down to 120, completely defies the purpose of a monitor. From a quick google its only 1 LG monitor that I could find that can change to 120hz
Guess you have to buy a new monitor from Sony π€£ NOT
I guess tvs go from 60hz in 4k to 1080p 120hz by default
terse glade
I guess tvs go from 60hz in 4k to 1080p 120hz by default
that would make sense
hasty sparrow
Though I have only seen 100hz 4k tvs not sure if they would change to 120hz in 1080p, that would be a waste of money to play in performance mode
Bummer
pale quartz
Which is terrible because my 27β 1440p is 165 hz default and 180 hz overclock so...
it's quite a lot actually lol
the majority of monitors support 120hz if they push up to 144/240, they just don't allow for choosing it within the OCD
pale quartz
pretty sure you can only change refresh rate of a monitor by using Windows or a ...
thing to note about this is because it's the GPU instead of the display requesting the signal, it will revert once something else is connected
so you can't use it to force the RF to 120 or whatever for the consoles
quick locust
pastel field
https://www.techspot.com/news/95934-pci-sig-warns-12vhpwr-adapters-can-get-dange...
π ty for the info
prime jasper
i have an issue with trying to load the game. I get to the loading screen the bar fills up then the game closes. I cant play at all. Any solutions?
runic monolith
Anyone know how to fix the game not fullscreening? I cant even play the game cause it just wont fullscreen. When i disable my integrated graphics it starts working but then the game runs bad. Pls help?
When i load up the game its using 98% of my integrated graphics
And 0% nvidia
prime jasper
Plug your monitor into the gpu
runic monolith
Nahhh
i figured it out.
It was my Lenovo Vantage Hybrid Mode
Kept switching to integrated graphics
fixed it π
runic monolith
Plug your monitor into the gpu
thx for trying to help tho
prime jasper
Ahh. You don't want those for gaming.
midnight crypt
ads
molten flame
3060 with 128-bit memory bus and 8GB coming
basically a 3050 with a bigger die and more shader cores
terse glade
It makes zero sense that they didn't made it that way in the first place
midnight crypt
it gets killed by all the people asking for tech support
umbral crater
<@831197288340652032> <@493160337437229056>
Already miss deco sending this screen
toxic crater
Anyone consistently having directx error? It said getdeviceremovedreason
I reinstalled the latest driver for many times
Itβs ROG M16 rtx3060 gpu
Only bf2042 has the issue among all the games I installed. I really donβt think itβs my device issue
toxic crater
I mean, how can I run the games without overclocking
Everything goes well before this patch update
dry pike
Proper complete driver uninstall using DDU in safe-mode is always my go-to when a game begins with getdeviceremovedreason for people.
coarse nimbus
whoa whoa whoa....is this tech help im seeing here???? where is the minimod to come in here and put a stop to this sillyness 
pale quartz
Only bf2042 has the issue among all the games I installed. I really donβt think ...
getdeviceremoved means the game is targeting your internal GPU instead of your discrete card on the game, force it to be used within windows settings or via the Nvidia control panel
pale quartz
Have you oc'd at all?
it's a laptop card, the clock settings are locked, oc'ing isn't applicable here
pale quartz
whoa whoa whoa....is this tech help im seeing here???? _where is the minimod to ...
lmao don't get mad cause half the posts here are game related issues
prime jasper
I forgot to get cablemod for my pc
Gotta get it to make it look cleaner with the large window
Didn't bother to make cable management
umbral crater
I don't think there's anything about tech here
molten flame
RTX 3060Ti with 19 Gbps memory may be on par in ray-tracing with 3070
19 Gbps vs 14 Gbps
prisma anvil
Time to throw my 2014 green label CX 750M in the trash
My backup PC shut down twice playing battlefield 2042
Would need a new Psu
I'm actually pissed because it's now a 750 dollars build instead of 700
prime jasper
everytime i try to launch the game it crashes once it "fully loads" it did not do this before the update. is there any solution?
toxic wigeon
So they're still gonna produce their GPU's despite the initial reception?
molten flame
It was just a rumor
prime jasper
I don't think there's anything about tech here
You can like read the channel description. People know i was upgrading my pc here too
This is the progress. Just waiting the cable mod.
The case is not open
Its clear window π
I will put the cables properly then, didnt wanna do it twice
The case is fractal design pop air and it has good airflow out of the box. They seem to know how to make good case as i never heard about bad fractal design case
prime jasper
One thing tho, you have to buy cable for this usb c port placeholder
Idk if its common not to include stuff like this
But feels like DLC for the case π
toxic wigeon
My USB C port I think came with the case.
I dunno.
I got it made for me.
The pc.
prime jasper
my motherboard has usb C if i need one
toxic wigeon
Feel like I should utilise it.
But I dunno what for lol.
It's not good for charging my phone.
quick locust
Quick charge usb ports on desktops when
prime jasper
yeah i don't really have use for it either atm
toxic wigeon
I might just get C to A converter.
Not the mini a but the usual usb.
I swear I had an idea for it...
prime jasper
Quick charge usb ports on desktops when
How much is the current USB specification allowing to deliver? 18W?
quick locust
Yeah just mean without quickcharge etc they're all just 5W
But with it there's up to 100W with usb c
prime jasper
imagine having that on your pc and trying to quick charge while gaming
prime jasper
i tried to enable quick charge from my bios but its as slow as before
or fast charge
dont remember what asus called it
prime jasper
i do have 65W charger but you have to actually move to use it
quick locust
quick locust
dapper saffron
Intel ?
umbral crater
https://twitter.com/RajaXg/status/1569063884207624194
Damn
dapper saffron
https://twitter.com/RajaXg/status/1569063884207624194
Looks like it's their founders edition
prime jasper
oof
quick locust
Not that much compared to nvidia
prime jasper
i will be surprised if it runs with reasonable temps with that cooler
dapper saffron
I hope it works out for them
quick locust
It's just a 2 slot cooler, should be fine i think
yeah same, want more competition in gpus
prime jasper
i do hope it don't have problem with it but power=heat
quick locust
Ya I know
prime jasper
maybe its just very long heatsink
prime jasper
yea mine isn't that large either tho
prime jasper
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422598689928773632/1018757083199459409/IMG_20220909_161639.jpg you can see mine here
quick locust
thick
prime jasper
ye it runs around 64C in load @ stock
quick locust
my 2080ti but it keeps hitting 107C on hotspot and 82C on core
prime jasper
oof
quick locust
hot boi
prime jasper
i had similar issue on gigabyte 5700XT gaming oc
terse glade
My rtx 2080s single fan is at 72c on full load. Can't get any higher but I kinda undervolted it
quick locust
now it has just been on a shelf for 2 yrs
terse glade
Do you can explain why it died?
quick locust
shorted between pin 13 and 14 suddenly iric
the refclock pins
Has quite a big black mark there
quick locust
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422598689928773632/1018757083199459409/...
my cooler is close lol
terse glade
Has quite a big black mark there
Oof
prime jasper
i have like 3cm gap
quick locust
ya it just shorted there suddenly
quick locust
i have like 3cm gap
same probably lol
prime jasper
speed
quick locust
wrong place
quick locust
Q2++++++
terse glade
ya it only worked for 2 days
So you had no issues with the warranty then I hope
quick locust
RMA was rejected
molten flame
terse glade
Wut
quick locust
Hence why it's on a shelf since then
molten flame
PNY customer service probably Gigabyte tier
quick locust
I tried retail first then PNY
terse glade
Hence why it's on a shelf since then
Ahhhh ye forgot about that fact xd
quick locust
Never had to rma anything gigabyte so idk how they are
terse glade
Ask a YouTuber to repairs urs for million of views
terse glade
Everyone says GPU don't break that easily
molten flame
I got a defective GPU and motherboard at the same time from Gigabyte, tried to RMA each and they just asked me to ship them my entire PC so they could troubleshoot it themself
prisma anvil
my 2080ti but it keeps hitting 107C on hotspot and 82C on core
repaste it
terse glade
I have a ZOTAC gpu
quick locust
Excessive use
Since the G933 had an issue where the power on/off slider gets loose over time
molten flame
Degraded
terse glade
Pro tip: order over amazon
prisma anvil
2080ti I got never go past 72C, 86C hotspot after repaste.
terse glade
They have a excellent warranty service tho
prisma anvil
2080ti ftw3 ultra 373w sustained tdp.
prisma anvil
why that low?
quick locust
my 2080 ti is 206W-210W under load
terse glade
Because I don't see a reason to run it on stock settings for just 10 fps more but 100 more watt consumption
prisma anvil
w8 why is it so hot drawing only 206-210w?
quick locust
i dont really use amazon due to shipping cost, theyre never worth it
I dunno, might replace paste soon
molten flame
12nm node and only 210 watts, should be like 60C max
prisma anvil
2080ti are actually a monster
quick locust
Ya
terse glade
If u want to try something, just alt+z and set everything to low. You'll experience massive heat reduction at almost no performance decrease
terse glade
Undervolting thru Nvidia experience
It's so easy
I always wonder why no one else is doing it
prisma anvil
I undervolt using msi afterburner and Precision X1
terse glade
With Nvidia experience u don't need any programs. It just saves the settings
You don't need to touch anything anymore
Even after rebooting
It's safe and official. Just try it out once :)
prisma anvil
alt z?
terse glade
Yes then Nvidia experience panel is opening
Then go click to performance
And slide everything to the left
quick locust
they all just use the same api
quick locust
been so long since ive run 3dmark i cant find any of my scores
terse glade
I only see sliders.
Slide everything to left
terse glade
Can you like not trying it out first before u praise MSI afterburner so much
terse glade
quick locust
You have higher in both cpu and gpu
prisma anvil
8700k delid 5.1ghz all core, 4.8ghz ring.
2x8 samsung bdie 3733 cl14 manually tuned
prisma anvil
4x8 would be alot fater
quick locust
Can't really keep 5.1 without throttling, but 5.0 is fine
So slightly lower clock than you
GPU also lower clock
prisma anvil
hmm maybe manually tune the bdie subtimings but its a hassle
terse glade
You guys overcomplicating
prisma anvil
I have a default formula I created based on a bunch of bdie I tuned so it usually takes around an afternoon
but this garbage psu trips in 2042 hahahahaha
prisma anvil
mine is a 2014 green label cx750m that is beyond sus
quick locust
mine is a cooler master v1000 gold
prisma anvil
it was used to power my 4690k and 970
quick locust
from 2013
prisma anvil
yeah I learned to not cheap out on PSU
toxic wigeon
I've sort of Oc'd my 3080 but only to run 5C hotter lol.
Some dude on 2042 was joking that they Oc'd their 3090 and it runs like a magnificent heater.
quick locust
I ran 2080 and vega 64 same time for a day
both in folding at home
psu was still quiet
prisma anvil
it's not overcomplicating when alot of games esp 2042 is hard ram and cpu bottleneck
quick locust
i won't get that much more out of this cpu without aio or liquid
But it's 5 yrs old anyway
prisma anvil
unless u invest in a 5800X 3D or higher end DDR5 its well worth to tune ur stuff
quick locust
Only need to fix my gpu now with new paste
Since currently it downclocks quite a bit
prisma anvil
get some cheap mx4 and ur golden
prisma anvil
do smth ike 0.9v at 1920mhz or smth
toxic wigeon
So say you're an active overclocker for your tech. How long can you squeeze out your CPU before needing a new one?
quick locust
Pretty long with current games
Each new game isn't exactly a crysis where 60 fps is a challenge for top end
prisma anvil
8700k is just the greatest cpu to ever release
toxic wigeon
Why can you not OC a 5800x3d again by the way?
prisma anvil
amd doesnt allow it
quick locust
iirc they said higher clocks and voltages would damage the cache
prisma anvil
^
toxic wigeon
That makes sense.
quick locust
if i remember that is
toxic wigeon
I was thinking then with say an 7800x3d. Will the quality of the 3D cache increase allowing the OC?
prisma anvil
I really respect the 5800X 3D
quick locust
I was thinking then with say an 7800x3d. Will the quality of the 3D cache increa...
No idea, we will see when it comes
toxic wigeon
What I kinda love about the x3d is that hey it's slightly less powerful than a regular 800x.... But it runs so much better.
prisma anvil
u drop that in turn on xmp/docp and ur laughing. Yes a tuned intel 12600k with bdie or hynix/samsung ddr5 can beat it but its just sooo easy
quick locust
5800x3d is good for gaming but gets crushed in some productivity tasks due to its lower clocks
toxic wigeon
Yeah hence its use as a gaming CPU.
toxic wigeon
What allows Intel to do so well in the productivity side again?
prisma anvil
E waste cores and much higher ipc
quick locust
This is just single thread
terse glade
Is it hard to change an AM4 socket into a AM5 socket?
quick locust
E waste cores and much higher ipc
theyre great for the die space they take up
terse glade
Not really possible
So what we all gonna do then
quick locust
buy new motherboard and DDR5
terse glade
New Mobo with an included am5 socket?
quick locust
yes
terse glade
Ohh
toxic wigeon
It kinda makes Intel CPU's a bit easier to ease into the new gen.
quick locust
Maybe but they tend to just have 2 gens per socket
More than Threadripper at least, rip
toxic wigeon
Lol.
Yeah.
Gen 13 is a massive grey area for DDR4 and DDR5 on the intel side.
Gen 14 is when they'll have to really go full DDR5.
toxic wigeon
In that scenario you may as well get an 5800x3d and wait until the 9800x3d comes out when DDR5 is cheaper and well developed.
Cause new motherboards and shit will be better suited for it.
Cause you. It's like saying why should I get a b450 when I can wait until the b550 comes out?
prime jasper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556205794241151021/1018207459741016114/LB...
i5-12400 and i3-12100 chilling up there at under 200 dollars
quick locust
i5-12400 and i3-12100 chilling up there at under 200 dollars
well ya, cheap cpus on a new-ish arch
kinda wish 7000 series was cheaper in mid range
prime jasper
feel like amd hasn't delivered on lower range cpu's for a while
quick locust
Ya its annoying
prime jasper
idk why they would just discard budget users
toxic wigeon
Does a r3 5300 even exist?
lofty light
quick locust
Does a r3 5300 even exist?
No, they released 4100 and 4500 instead
5500 is lowest 5000 series
toxic wigeon
Weird.
quick locust
it has 1 ccd and no IO die
so no pcie 4
basically the lowest they could go
besides 4100 and 4500 which are gimped apus
prime jasper
i would go 12100F in that price range no doubt
pastel field
What's the difference tho?
quick locust
F has disabled graphics
pastel field
F indeed
quick locust
No other difference
pastel field
π
prime jasper
F is 135β¬ here while non f 170β¬
quick locust
weird
pastel field
wtf
prime jasper
cheapest F is 109β¬ actually
quick locust
pretty cheap
prime jasper
quick locust
ryzen 5500 is 1035 kr
so around same as non F
138 eur
with one store selling for 132
prime jasper
they have non k 149β¬ too
multitronic is usually cheapest here but people keep forgetting it exist
pastel field
I wanted that as an upgrade compared to my i7-8750H
quick locust
komplett is cheap here and good service
power/elgiganten is terrible
computersalg and fcomputer is good
amazon too expensive
pastel field
I decided to ooga booga get an i7-12700kf
Hopefully it's worth playing new games and old games
quick locust
its the same cpu just higher bin and clock
pastel field
yup not worth it xd
quick locust
12600K to 12900KS is the same die
prime jasper
i will be waiting to new cpu's to release to decide what i replace 11400f with
quick locust
I still have my old 8700K
Might go 13th gen but idk
Still runs everything fine
and has rebar which I need when I get my A770
prime jasper
either 13600k or ryzen equivalent for me likely
terse glade
I'm on a r7 3800x so I'm kinda AM4 bound because I don't want to buy do much new just for an CPU upgrade
terse glade
At this point I also could buy a completely new pre built
quick locust
Sure though I don't think 3800x has issues in any game
terse glade
Right now everything working fine π
For me, tbh I'm not very high demanding. So give me medium settings on 75fps vsync I'm happy
quick locust
terse glade
I have 3440 x 1440 tho
quick locust
Ah
terse glade
https://www.komplett.dk/product/1174682/gaming/gaming-pc/stationaer-gaming-pc/ko...
Hmmm
pastel field
ah crap that high res
very strong
i'm quite contented at 1920x1080
not sure if there's any difference at 1440p tho
terse glade
I think I never can go back to 1080p
prime jasper
Yeah 1440p looks much better
quick locust
Wish more laptops had it
That's unless you are cpu limited anyway, then you have the same
prime jasper
Lul
quick locust
Yes
toxic wigeon
I just had a stupid train of thought cause "Haha what if a CPU could handle 1440p better" but that's more graphically intensive.
quick locust
That's why most cpu benchmarks are at 1080p
quick locust
Because otherwise GPU is the limit and they all get the same
Also why they use the same 3090 even for a 12100 lol
even if youtube comments keep saying its not realistic π but its just to bench the cpu
toxic wigeon
Of course.
prime jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnhn_1JYGdA good video of cpu effect on fps when you don't have like 3080
quick locust
Reason they use top end gpu is to minimise its impact
And to use one gpu for consistency
prime jasper
yea but its good to see for people who are going to build similar system
terse glade
im kinda feeling better after you said my r7 3800x still can keep up
last time i spoke with deco he said its already outdated and i was like "uh"
umbral crater
Deco is always right 
toxic wigeon
Like look.
In my opinion you should at least update every two gens cause if you get a CPU like that it's to last.
terse glade
Deco is always right <:WideAngel1:915919962789535744><:WideAngel2:91591996268466...
im not questioning his competences nor knowledge
toxic wigeon
If it does its job anyways I don't think there's much to contend against.
terse glade
If it does its job anyways I don't think there's much to contend against.
and thats the case on me right now
toxic wigeon
And you know what. At least you know what you need when you need to upgrade.
terse glade
And you know what. At least you know what you need when you need to upgrade.
an next gen intel 13th generation i3 would be neat
toxic wigeon
I like the x7's because they're always in between with power.
terse glade
I like the x7's because they're always in between with power.
true and u can underclock them and still have great performance
i underclocked my r7 3800x to 3.6ghz
temps dont surpass 70c
no performance issues
but i guess thats only my preferences
toxic wigeon
I'm pondering on as 5800x3d or a 7800x3d.
If I get the 78 I'll end up waiting foer the 11K series.
If a get a 5800x3d I wait until the 9k series.
Honestly I kinda don't care about the 7800 and 5800 thing.
But yeah
It must feel nice at least not having a massive amount of heat on yuour CPU.
terse glade
It must feel nice at least not having a massive amount of heat on yuour CPU.
THAT! haha
ye indeed
toxic wigeon
But if thjat's the case tho
Why don't you get a fan to accomodate it?
I cann't spell forgive me haha.
I'm not judging do note I'm just more curious.
terse glade
Why don't you get a fan to accomodate it?
it already has a good fan on it
not stock fan
i also want my watt consumption as low as possible :)
toxic wigeon
Yeah I can understand that then.
You don't care about anything other than power saving.
You care about the quality of the product itself and its efficiency.
Hey what are the rumours about the 7600?
If the 5600x works better at 1080. Will the 7600 have even better cycles ?
prime jasper
terse glade
https://www.techpowerup.com/298499/amd-ryzen-7000-undervolting-yields-great-resu...
lmao almost half the watt consumption and heat yet still better performance
why dont they do it as a stock setting?
they should at least add a easy to use software you can do undervolt it like that without opening a program after every single start
stares at ryzen master
prime jasper
idk but i will wait the actual reviews
cloud lake
why dont they do it as a stock setting?
As they use stock settings Hardie to work with all set ups out the box
terse glade
As they use stock settings Hardie to work with all set ups out the box
ye but their stock TPD is LUNATIC!
cloud lake
Ye but think about how many different pc set ups there are, and use a generic one what works with all and can be tuned to your liking later
terse glade
Ye but think about how many different pc set ups there are, and use a generic on...
that actually makes sense
shoves madkiller back to green
cloud lake
Like cars, all got a base tune to work with all country's but, you can get it tuned for your liking and country
quick locust
last time i spoke with deco he said its already outdated and i was like "uh"
I mean yes there's better cpus now, but you can play all games fine
pale quartz
Raja Koduri confirms that Intel is not stopping discrete gaming GPU production
he isn't confirming this, he's avoiding the question by saying it "doesn't help"
koduri is on hopium that the inevitable will not happen
pale quartz
because Intel's cashflow liquidity is non existent for arc
you don't need a leaker to know it's being canned
quick locust
he also forgot DG1 exists
pale quartz
whether or not arc releases it's first gen doesn't matter, AXG will be stripped down to a skeleton crew, intel don't have the funding to subsidize losses anymore for years to come
quick locust
Last I checked Intel isn't in lack of funds
pale quartz
IFS, their golden child is already having to take in private equity from Intel's shortfall in cash, they aren't the same company they were 5 years ago
quick locust
Infact they're in a huge spending spree for the last while
pale quartz
Last I checked Intel isn't in lack of funds
their server QO is down 90%
let me repeat, their biggest revenue maker, dropped 90%, in a single quarter
quick locust
And they've not been cutting down on their major spending lately
Which will have a lot in losses until it comes up running
pale quartz
IFS will be a loss maker, Intel's biggest capital investment in a decade for at least the first year
the amount of money that intel need for IFS just for daily expenditure is absolutely insane, and their biggest profit maker is now dead
AXG is next in line, and koduri knows it
quick locust
Unlikely with what they've already spent and done in it, been going for 5 yrs ish
pale quartz
that's the entire reason it will get canned
they blatantly lied to higher management about where the arc project was, and they did for months
quick locust
That's how long it takes for a design, it's normal
pale quartz
no, it's not
pale quartz
they have spent $5b on this project in half a decade and they have nothing to show for it
it is a failure of a project
quick locust
and 5b is pocket money for intel
pale quartz
definitely not lol
quick locust
yes
pale quartz
no, stop thinking intel are still in 2017, they aren't anymore
the entire reason they sold optane was because it was the bigger project failure behind arc
pale quartz
have you listened to Intel's financial results?
pale quartz
that doesn't mean anything about long term revenue
IFS has $200m in contracts only
it isn't making any money
quick locust
They've been spending 70-80B
pale quartz
it is an expenditure of $20b in capital just to get off the ground
quick locust
On fabs
quick locust
ye i know one that works on it
pale quartz
then they'll know how much a halo reach it was, and it's prolific throughout intel
too many nonsense engineers bringing up dreams they want to design instead of launching a competent product, it's being going on for ages
quick locust
If anything I have a much better view of them than in 2017, because they have a lot moving forward and a lot of investment
While in 2017 they were stuck
pale quartz
you realise the investments they make now, won't make any effect on Intel's bottom line until at least 2025
at least
they are losing money, right now
pale quartz
sorry but spending $5b on a shell of a product that isn't even out isn't handling it
arc will get canned, dont need a PHd in rocket science to see it either
quick locust
2017 they had more profit at the moment, but few plans forward and stuck with their current tech at the time
5b is nothing compared to what they spent on investments this year or last year
pale quartz
it's, one project
quick locust
And they have projects that are far higher
pale quartz
it's a hell of a lot of money lol, doesn't matter if it's intel, or Google funding it
cashflow strapped intel isn't making money, they lost money
to be clear I don't want arc to get canned
quick locust
And they can handle it fine
pale quartz
where did anyone say they were going bankrupt
cancelling a project doesn't mean insolvency
quick locust
They could lose money for 10 years and still be fine
pale quartz
ok how does that change anything
quick locust
Just saying 5B is pocket change for them, especially since 2020 with their massive spending spree
quick locust
None of the money of that theyve made back yet
pale quartz
for a project that doesn't exist
pale quartz
I know people have this idea of intel as some massive monolith, but certain departments have budgets, and expectation targets to adhere to
it's time to let go of this intel will fund everything idea, optane is already dead
arc is next, sooner people accept reality sooner people will start reading what Intel's own investors, the ones who fund these projects to begin with, have to say
pale quartz
their CPUs and IFS actually exist
arc does not
and it won't exist in any market position for years
pale quartz
yeah and no market leadership no performance leadership, nothing
battlemage isn't going to save arc either
pale quartz
they won't for second gen, either
and intel aren't going to spend more billions on losses for something they don't even know will succeed in 3 years
quick locust
But no company will get market leader marketshare in first gen
pale quartz
they aren't stupid
quick locust
ryzen didnt either
pale quartz
the difference was ryzen was AMDs only hope lol
it's a very bad idea to bring up projects which were already, finished
pale quartz
I like everyone else feel sorry for Intel's own engineers who suffer the brunt of Intel's current cashflow situation, but AXG being skinned is better for everyone, intel included
quick locust
in 2011-2012 where AMD didnt exactly have money
pale quartz
bad for consumers, better for everyone else
quick locust
better for shareholders, nobody else
pale quartz
discrete arc will get canned and the remaining crew will be assigned as maintenance support, any further R&D will get axed
battlemage itself will be lucky to even come out
pale quartz
no idea
toxic wigeon
So maybe no second gen Intel gpus?
I've heard decent things out of them in the transcode area.
pale quartz
it's more of a maybe if intel second gen will even exist to begin with
toxic wigeon
And with drivers.
pale quartz
battlemage has already been redesigned
the arc drivers are also a fucking mess and will be for years, emulation isn't going to save it
toxic wigeon
What caused these gpus to fail?
quick locust
Didn't bring in 1T before it launched
pale quartz
overoptimistic engineering goals combined with unsurprisingly very difficult things to get right = cocktail mix of an explosion
toxic wigeon
Rip Intel.
pale quartz
fun fact directX 9 was supposed to be supported, as was agreed internally at AXG then got reverted later on
the project has been an entire mess of what intel themselves want to do, because they didn't even know themselves
then management at AXG had to save face by going on media tours announcing that it's actually not only already out, but also not coming out
toxic wigeon
You'd think for some one making apus they'd have the idea but at the same time they realised it was a bigger task then that.
pale quartz
discrete is a very different beast to iGPUs
the arc driver architecture was an iteration on Intel's XE, which is why it's a half ridden non functioning mess currently
quick locust
ya DG1 is XE DG2 is Arc A
toxic wigeon
It's a shame because I was kinda hoping they'd take off but at the same time. What market will buy this stuff?
What kind of people need this?
pale quartz
nobody except the 100 people that need AV1 encoding, for the next 3 months lol
pale quartz
ya DG1 is XE DG2 is Arc A
arc A is actually also a derivate branch from XE
the root is the same, it's just renamed
quick locust
Thats what I said
toxic wigeon
But still you know. Bit of a shame. My mate was looking into these gpus because they were exactly what she needed.
pale quartz
yeah it's a shame, had arc actually been thought through from the start, it would have succeeded, in some marginal capacity today anyways
instead we've had 2 years worth of delays now with no end in sight
toxic wigeon
What kind of niche would it have fulfilled you reckon?
quick locust
No, they wouldnt have been able to afford it even with a plan
toxic wigeon
Say these were what they were to be.
toxic wigeon
Yeah that's my mate on with her mindset.
pale quartz
small niche, but it does exist
pale quartz
No, they wouldnt have been able to afford it even with a plan
well theres this small caveat aswell
toxic wigeon
I didn't even realise the 5600 existed.
pale quartz
arc was only a paper launch till battlemage
toxic wigeon
I always thought it was a 5600x.
quick locust
There's 5500 too
toxic wigeon
Uhhh...
pale quartz
higher power usage at stock is the tldr with slightly higher clocks
pale quartz
the x3d isn't actually the same chip funnily enough
it's bin is separate to the 5800x
quick locust
Same chip like 12600K to 12900KS
toxic wigeon
Ahhhh.
pale quartz
all the ultra tier samples got assigned to the x3d, cause well you can't have a monlith cache on a mediocre bin
toxic wigeon
Yes..
pale quartz
are you lost way
toxic wigeon
I have a small idea. Just two different kind of bins.
pale quartz
as a brief explanation, binning is a measurement of how much voltage a core takes to execute a clock, that is the lower it is, the more efficient it is (meaning its higher binned)
pale quartz
that's the general idea anyways, there's 4 categories with bronze silver gold and platinum
toxic wigeon
Like power supplies.
pale quartz
similar idea yes albeit different ratings
toxic wigeon
Like with your 5900x being a gold if I remember?
pale quartz
right
quick locust
I'll get one of these for free eventually π
toxic wigeon
It's a pretty gpu!
pale quartz
most consumers will have silver bins for most of the cores, bronze being the second then gold/platinum as the rarest
toxic wigeon
You just happened to know who sold what.
By the way. Will the 7000 series use a better quality 3d cache?
pale quartz
yes the x3d is a engineering sample
which is why it's voltage locked, Zen 4 SKUs on vcache aren't locked
quick locust
Entire of intel line is just different bins as well since its same monolith die from 12600K to 12900KS
toxic wigeon
I was thinking of an earlier answer where the reason the 5800x3d couldn't be oc'd is because it would damage the 3d caches potentially.
So I was thinking.
Could you potentially oc a 7800x3d? But it's too early to tell.
pale quartz
yes
your assumption is on the right track, the main reason is down to if you overclock the chip, the voltage to the cache will increase aswell, which could fry the bonds/damage the die
they weren't validated which is why it's disappeared on ryzen 5000
toxic wigeon
Would as a result because they have more room. Would a 7900x3d exist or is that too much?
toxic wigeon
In the FAR future a thread ripper with extra 3d cache will exist! :D
pale quartz
sure if you're willing to pay like $2000 for it
quick locust
CS dont care about high core count
toxic wigeon
Barely
pale quartz
lmao funny thing about skylines is the x3d smokes everything
pale quartz
CS dont care about high core count
^
the game is single threaded, multi threading was excluded from the engine (because it's very old)
quick locust
also TR is barely alive
toxic wigeon
I do wonder if there are mods that allow usage of it.
pale quartz
multithreading? impossible without breaking the game
toxic wigeon
Oh that reminds me. Through a source port you can hyper thread on roller coaster tycoon.
It's weird seeing the game in 144hz.
pale quartz
it's not as straightforward as oh just change X competent of the game with skylines as there's so many physical simulations taking place in a single game
they all have to be time synchronised which is yeah good luck with that
toxic wigeon
It requires an actual genuine change to make it functional but that's only the beginning I bet.
pale quartz
need sequel
^ that basically is how to get it to function
quick locust
CPU0 when your city has 10K cars and 50K pedestrians 
toxic wigeon
It's like how planet zoo is better optimised than planet coaster.
Not a direct sequel but still.
pale quartz
CPU0 when your city has 10K cars and 50K pedestrians <:CatRee:638927740397158411...
hur dur just turn on DLSS you get 200% extra lights
toxic wigeon
I love my card.
quick locust
Same with KSP with a lot of parts
toxic wigeon
Infact the one thing that city skylines needs more is RAM.
But that happens with mods.
inner steeple
Yo can anyone help me out with a problem I have with Bf1 textures?
it seems like ground textures are just extremely low res at distances
toxic wigeon
Yeah fair.
I wish I knew what it was. How far is this occurring?
When you ADS the game utilises more resources for a clearer view in front of you.
inner steeple
yeah its a lot clearer with ads
but in most cases, when I do scope its at far distances
and it stays low res
toxic wigeon
Oh that's normal.
inner steeple
Is there an image chat I can use here?
everything else tho is high res
its just the ground
toxic wigeon
I know what you're on about. This is normal.
toxic wigeon
Yeah though it makes sense so resources aren't completely drained.
inner steeple
yeah
but even with like a 40 fps cost I would try to fix it
ty man
tell me if you have any fixes for it
toxic wigeon
No worries. I hope you take care.
pale quartz
it seems like ground textures are just extremely low res at distances
that's not a problem it's by design
toxic wigeon
Isn't it more of an engine limitation?
pale quartz
the game uses LOD which adjusts texture streaming at distance
no it's an intentional decision by DICE
inner steeple
not sure, not too well verse in how it actually works
pale quartz
they could switch it off if they really wanted to
toxic wigeon
Oh nah yeah I was edging in both.
inner steeple
its kinda sad tho, if you're zoomed in might as well make it high res
you shouldn't lose that much fps if it transitions to it
toxic wigeon
It is but it makes sense. Oh well.
pale quartz
it would destroy performance if they made them high detail for everyone, so it isnt
toxic wigeon
Uhhh.
pale quartz
you can be a booster or have the regular role
toxic wigeon
@inner steeple You can boost right now or wait for regular which takes a bit of time.
quick locust
toxic wigeon
JESUS.