launching with 7700x instead of 7800x?
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storm osprey
pale quartz
launching with 7700x instead of 7800x?
7800x is the x3d
molten coral
molten flame
Raptor-Lake will get destroyed by the 3D model
toxic wigeon
3d will be amazing.
visual quail
nvm
nimble delta
Could anyone help me out with performance Issues in BF 2042, i got a GTX 1660ti, i7-9750h, SSD, ethernet 12 internet speed unit thing. I can run R6 and warzone over 60 fps. In 2042 i only lag and rubber band when I'm near enemies and friendlies, when I'm on my own it's normal.
Here's what I've tried
Low and high graphics, display settings, Nvidia settings, admin mode running, preset profile prefs, them controller and mouse settings, cross play off. That's what I remember
Currently running, preset profile prefs, all Nvidia stuff off, cross play off, low settings, admin mode. Still rubber bands heavily and lags when near players.
pale quartz
its a network issue lol
nimble delta
Ye but like, how that make sense, if i don't have that issue on warzone or R6 or any other game
To me as well network is the only thing that fits my issues, but i don't see the fix for it on my end, i have good internet and all my other games have zero problems
pale quartz
except the bandwidth requirements for 2042 are much higher than other games
nimble delta
I have tried switching bands as well
pale quartz
stop using wifi
nimble delta
I use ethernet
pale quartz
how are you using ethernet and switching bands
nimble delta
I don't know
I just followed a tut
5ghz is worse than 2.4 for me
nimble delta
But I'm connected to ethernet, I've got the whole cord and monitor logo for the internet
And changing the bands does affect the gameplay, so, i dunno
pale quartz
clearly not using ethernet then lol
nimble delta
i cant upload images, but in netowrk and sharing it says access tyupe internet, connections ethernet
everything points to me using ethernet, is there a better way to check?
pale quartz
doesnt mean youre using ethernet, your wifi is taking over
the band doesnt work on ethernet
nimble delta
yeye, so how would i force ethernet then, cause the ethernet logo never changes, always seems to be on, i get it shouldnt, but it never shows just wifi on
pale quartz
.. by turning off wifi
nimble delta
where would one do that, never knew ya could
pale quartz
youve never.. switched off wifi before?
nimble delta
I've turned off the internet connection, but never turned off wifi connections and only allowing Ethernet
I assume is what u mean
pale quartz
yes..
nimble delta
Ye i don't know how to restrict to only ethernet
Looked it up, mine doesn't have the disable upon wired connect in the list for the adapter
Is there another way?
nimble delta
lol that's easier
Thanks
Let's see if it works
@pale quartz @lofty light it's even more laggy now
Seems the less strong the internet the better, but it's still not playable on 2.4ghz band
By laggy i mean everything is in slo mo
lofty light
2.4 is wider range but lower speed overall
5 is much higher speed but very short range in comparison
outer fable
Anyone got Unable to load persistence data ?
nimble delta
@outer fable just restarting the game can help
outer fable
idk man...3rd time already
nimble delta
@lofty light ye my internet box thing is far away, live in an apartment, but wouldn't Ethernet be the fastest speed. And in which case it means i need lower speeds, since ethernet was worse
lofty light
Ethernet should be much more stable
nimble delta
@outer fable try repairing the game, servers are fine for me so it shouldn't be that
outer fable
alright then
lofty light
Try doing a Speedtest on ethernet vs wifi
nimble delta
Aight
outer fable
stuck at connecting online services XD
same lol
pale quartz
theres a lot of people trying to get in, just give it time
sour stag
atleast new menu music is good now XD
pale quartz
just to show that the game is actually working
sour stag
yea i just got in 😄
pale quartz
you need the booster or regular role
nimble delta
@lofty light Wifi 2.4ghz D 94Mbps U 92Mbps, Wifi 5ghz D 93Mbps U 93Mbps
Ethernet D 93Mbps U 94Mbps
seems wack
lofty light
What was the ping for each
lofty light
For all three?
nimble delta
ye, ill double check
pale quartz
speedtest wont work for this type of problem
its a ping to his nearest CDN, not the route to the game server
lofty light
Not looking for the game rn, want to see if there's an issue with the ethernet
nimble delta
9ms for all 3
lofty light
Sounds like the network is fine then 
nimble delta
Ye, that's what I had thought, which is why I'm just lost
nimble delta
Also double checked all background programs, all overlays are off, and checked region, it's correct
snow urchin
can someone please help me. when in any menu where it displays what button to press it flickers between the button to press and "unassigned" and its driving me mad
snow urchin
add a support section then
pale quartz
!!support
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like every other dedicated game discord has
pale quartz
this isnt a support server
storm osprey
like every other dedicated game discord has
DM @woeful crater and make that suggestion
proud trellis
nothing will change lol
prisma anvil
I just saw zen4 announcement
Not impressed at all at the gaming performance.
Hopefully zen4 3D can bring some heat for gaming.
With hynix A die and Samsung A die coming. Zen4 without 3D will get destroyed by raptorlake in gaming when tuned.
Then again it's amd never really win in gaming max tuned anyways so nothings ever changed
3D technology is actually really cool tho ngl.
prisma anvil
Raptor-Lake will get destroyed by the 3D model
Not too sure. I think raptorlake will win
A 12600k with tuned Samsung bdie ddr4 can beat a 5800X 3D in average. With hynix A die and Samsung A die coming that can do 8000 megatransfers at 1.4V, I don't see how 3D models will clearly beat intel.
Unless amd infinity fabric on 3D just goes will above 3000
Not to mention the amd slide they use 6950XT with SAM on.
Very amd biased. So yeah not impressed at all for a tinker like me.
pale quartz
what lol
there's nothing wrong with using a 6950xt they have used a 6900xt repeatedly before it launched
the margins for gaming performance are entirely fine, 13-15% is right in line with previous Zen generations, probably recalibrate your expectations if you expected more
quick locust
Yea, decent jump
Just wish they were cheaper
Socket seems a lot better but I don't like pga anyway
pale quartz
the prices are intended to be high so AMD can keep the SKU prices for the x3d high when they launch
if they go cheaper the "premium proposition" is reduced
they've also got the platform advantage which is a secondary cost consideration, RPL is only 2 gens of support
quick locust
Yeah
prisma anvil
There is nothing wrong with using SAM. But using it to compare against intel rebar in slides is lol.
Also true. I never expect amd to beat intel in gaming when tuned. I think out of the box 3D is gonna be awesome for non tinkers in gaming, also paired with platform longevity and efficiency for zen4 in general.
zen2 to zen3 jump was huge tho. Esp in gaming.
Idk if this jump is like that.
Can't wait to see raptorlake vs Zen4 3D max tuned in gaming.
I am gonna upgrade my rig by ram progression now hehe.
That 8000 at only 1.4v on msi unify and 12900k was very impressive
molten flame
Zen 4 mobile is gonna be much more impressive than desktop
molten flame
Spider-Man Remastered with Ray-tracing sees a massive 40% fps gain with DDR5 memory over DDR4 on a i9-12900K
DDR4 is really gonna be an issue for future games
last spoke
ok i hooked my pc to the living room oled lg c1 and wow i cant go back to my asus 1440p monitor.......
storm osprey
thats not really fair xD
last spoke
its my fault for putting the c1 in the living room....its hooked to a ps5 and my family uses it for netflix and they play fifa or 2k on it LMAOOOOOO
storm osprey
my next tv will be oled for sure
molten coral
oled is amazing
last spoke
yeah like my pc experiened jumped 5 stars unreal
pale quartz
There is nothing wrong with using SAM. But using it to compare against intel reb...
this makes no sense SAM is just resizeable BAR, intel processors take advantage of resizeable BAR automatically just like AMD processors
kind totem
how do you fix this https://streamable.com/pgskmd
pale quartz
how do you fix this https://streamable.com/pgskmd
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pale quartz
read the channel description
prisma anvil
this makes no sense SAM is just resizeable BAR, intel processors take advantage ...
So intel can use arc gpu rebar vs amd rebar and curbstomp amd in slides?
On a cpu benchmark?
pale quartz
So intel can use arc gpu rebar vs amd rebar and curbstomp amd in slides?
yes? they literally do lol? arc enables resizeable BAR, by default
infact funny you mention it if you try switching off resizeable BAR on arc performance tanks, much like it does on RDNA, there is nothing biased about having it switched on
having it switched off is bad for testing framerates on CPU benchmarks, the entire point is to increase the bus buffer bandwidth to reduce the impact the GPU has on processing workloads
prisma anvil
amd cpu + amd gpu SAM gains more performance vs intel + amd gpu reBAR. Nvidia is mostly agnostic
pale quartz
no, it's not
Nvidia uses a whitelist it isn't universally applied like it on RDNA
they are all the same feature
prisma anvil
same feature, one is just optimized better
pale quartz
resizeable BAR is an implemented from the graphics pipeline.. by the game developer
why do you think it can regress performance in select games?
prisma anvil
u can have 50 nerdy logic talk, I look at benchmarks and performances
pale quartz
which is why your assumption is entirely wrong lol
prisma anvil
benchmark shows I am right lol
pale quartz
no it just shows you don't know what resizeable BAR actually is in the first place
and reached some illogical conclusion based on nothing
prisma anvil
no it just shows u go everything by logic, you dont actually look at the performances. I never said the feature is fundamentally different.
pale quartz
yeah, because you, based on nothing, claimed that it was biased to have it turned on
what you don't understand is, it isn't an AMD, or vendor exclusive feature
prisma anvil
I based on benchmarks from frame chasers, hardware unbox.
You, based on no real world performance numbers and by just functionality, assume they are the same.
pale quartz
yeah so as I said before you based an assumption on something you don't understand
here's an idea, never do that
prisma anvil
yeah so as I said before you based an pure fundamental how the way they work and never result. Here is an idea, never do that.
pale quartz
what lol
prisma anvil
I know what both reBAR and SAM can do lol
pale quartz
I didn't say you didn't understand what they can do
I said you don't understand what it is
because you don't
prisma anvil
result shows SAM with amd+amd has a more performance increase over intel+amd rebar
u don't understand that
pale quartz
all you had to do, was ask, what the feature was
pale quartz
there is no point, you made a false claim about something
prisma anvil
I didn't.
prisma anvil
I never said ua re wrong but I am not making false claim, its backed by benchmarks.
pale quartz
your opinion?
pale quartz
really cause Steve from HWUB had no issue with AMD having resizable BAR switched on
so I'd like to ask again
prisma anvil
u miss the point once again
LOL
how u do always stray away from my point. I don't get it.
pale quartz
allow me to explain to you, you don't understand what resizable BAR actually does, and reached a false conclusion based on things that don't correlate together
and this claim is based on nothing except what you think
prisma anvil
false claim.
pale quartz
yes false claim, it's not only illogical, but makes no sense
prisma anvil
just like how you don't even know about samsung bdie.
pale quartz
what
prisma anvil
u make absolutely no sense, always miss my point.
pale quartz
your point is wrong
prisma anvil
it's like u dont care about real life performance only whats on paper.
pale quartz
how is it so difficult to understand?
prisma anvil
which is what makes u wrong
pale quartz
..
prisma anvil
....
pale quartz
here's an idea
pale quartz
in real life performance, you know who has resizable BAR switched on?
it isn't a trick question
prisma anvil
both
pale quartz
both what
prime jasper
what
prisma anvil
Deco don't understand amd+amd SAM have a larger performance benefit than intel+amd in gaming benchmarks
prime jasper
looking and this chat makes me wanna vomit
prisma anvil
and goes all logical on me. like what he does best
pale quartz
no infact it's pretty obvious, you still haven't explained how this correlates to being biased
prisma anvil
amd has slides of 12900k vs 7950X, using 6960XT. Using 12900k reBAR on, 7950X SAM on.
prisma anvil
then shows 7950X has more fps than 12900k
I already did, please read above.
I did many times.
pale quartz
no, you haven't lol, you think you have it, but it doesn't make any sense
prisma anvil
Yes I have. I did. it makes total sense.
pale quartz
Zen 4 is a new architecture, it isn't raptor lake, of course it will have higher framerates
pale quartz
yeah so where exactly is the bias here
prisma anvil
amd+amd SAM have a larger performance benefit than intel+amd in gaming benchmarks
literally wrote it above
pale quartz
ok so how is that mean they are biased for having it on
prisma anvil
backed by benchmarks
pale quartz
..
prisma anvil
so u think nvidia gpu favors intel over amd?
pale quartz
no, the part you don't get is the implementation is dependent on the game developer, not the hardware manufacturer
it wouldn't matter if they used an Nvidia GPU, you would still get these types of results
prisma anvil
not in benchmarks
pale quartz
you would, because guess what, where Nvidia has resizeable BAR switched on in their benchmarks, AMD processors benefit more from it
why do you think AMD switched it on with the infinity fabric?
prisma anvil
Nope. like I said benchmarks don't lie.
pale quartz
they don't, and if you bothered looking at performance testing with resizeable BAR on Nvidia GPUs, it's the exact same behaviour lol
but sure continue this false idea
prisma anvil
I am not, I already tested. At the end of the day, I know how to get the most fps, its ok for people to go by logic and get less fps, like frame chaser said, if it makes u happy, I am happy.
pale quartz
truthfully I would have expected you of all people to know that where cache matters, increasing the buffer benefits it more, than with intel processors which aren't cache limited
prisma anvil
truthfully you dont know I tune ram to alleviate this problem, that is why when I tested a 12600k it beats a 5800X 3D
pale quartz
it isn't about tuning
you've done memory overclocking, so you know how bandwidth correlates
prisma anvil
end of the day benchmark don't lie.
pale quartz
you're also familiar with how Zen uses CCX communication between it's cores
prisma anvil
actual fps in game don't lie
pale quartz
so it's a bit of a surprise this wasn't a straightforward answer
prisma anvil
yes and that is why amd has a horrid latency they try to cover up with cache
pale quartz
yes and now you understand why unlocking the buffer queue size has a way bigger impact on Zen than it will on intel
prisma anvil
yes but SAM is built based on reBAR. SAM amd+amd pairing has the most benefit testings after testings.
pale quartz
they both use the same architecture design, intel does not have a IF yet
which is why the impact on intel processors is marginal
prisma anvil
I never said what ur logic is wrong its that in testings amd+amd SAM yield most benefits by decent percentage over intel+amd, intel+nvidia, amd+nvidia
in a game like CS GO where the game fits mostly in the cache 7950X ties with 12900k
that shows me the real ipc increase
pale quartz
what I'm getting at is it isn't a bias decision, it's simply down to hardware design choices by either vendor
the same logic applies with clock speeds on zen
I don't need to get into it you'll already know
prisma anvil
5800X 3D does nothing to improve fps in cs go against 5800X
pale quartz
because csgos engine barely uses cache to begin with
it's a single threaded game, clock speed is king
prisma anvil
I know.
ipc is king as well
this is why I think max tuned raptorlake should be clear of zen4. I am hopeful for zen4 3D tho
pale quartz
a lot will depend on how games scale with the e cores
prisma anvil
3D is very exciting as it alleviate the bad amd dips
e cores are e waste cores
gamer should straight disable
pale quartz
I don't agree with intel using them, but I also know why they do
its a future proofing venture on their part
pale quartz
pale quartz
ADL scaled badly because of too few of them ironically
anyone turning them off on the 13900k is either running some 20 year old game or doing it for fun
that or looking for ways to actually try and cool it
prisma anvil
nah they f up the ring clock man
pale quartz
again?
prisma anvil
I dont think they changed architecture on the e cores
pale quartz
they didn't you're right, the more error cores is just a bandage around ADLs issue
it'll "mostly" fix the scaling but like
you'll still see the difference if you turn them off
Intel's TDR isn't going to be able to totally solve it either
prisma anvil
yeah. I am just excited about 8000 megatransfers ram
pale quartz
I think 10000 was breached a few months ago
not that any IMC is going to handle that without fire setting voltage
pale quartz
it isn't what you would call, exceptional
that dual support for DDR4 is a massive hinder
prisma anvil
I mean 12900k with msi unify z690 already hit 8000 with hynix A die.
I am hopeful.
Can't wait for vendors to charge $$$$ for high speed ddr5 again lol
pale quartz
futures contracts rn the price premium (should) be less than DDR4 for tight kits, surprisingly anyways
micron etc have a large amount of oversupply
prisma anvil
I hope that oversupply is not their first die.
Can't even go over 5400
Maybe for dem people who want 4x16 at 4800
pale quartz
surprisingly not actually it's mostly run of the middle bins, the ultra trash ones are harder to nail down for 5 because of the massive discrepancy in speeds
so they've been deprioritised in terms of supply numbers
6000 iirc is the median target most vendors are aiming for
prisma anvil
Yeah amd engineer said it's their sweet spot.
Both 1st die Samsung and Hynix should hit that fairly easily.
Samsung 5600 cl36 bin is going cheap tho.
pale quartz
desyncing probably happens a lot more on DDR5 at lower voltages when trying to maintain 1:1 so not surprised they've went conservative with 6000
prisma anvil
They can get the 6000-6400 easily.
pale quartz
yeah leagues over the 3200 hard wall trash that we got with Zen 1 and Zen+ without doubling the current
prisma anvil
I am so happy I got this 2080ti ftw3 for 340
It's gonna be me and my friends backup gpu and for my collection
pale quartz
they'll be cut again this month, I could see the 6800xt go as low as 500
prisma anvil
Leaked 4060 and 4060ti timespy extreme score came out. And 2080ti is right between them. So at 340 this thing will hold its value even when 40 series launch.
I don't think Ngreedia gonna lower msrp from 30 series to 40 series lol
pale quartz
they'd rather not but they've got a massive problem on their hands if they dont
oversupply with ampere at AIBs is massive, they simply won't buy rtx 40 if they don't get rid of the stock
prisma anvil
Make em pay.
This 2080ti repasted with kryonaut draws 373 watts. Temp under 70c. 2130 sustained clockspeed. +1300 on samsung gddr6
pale quartz
2130? I could only get 1870 when I had mine
prisma anvil
Might come within 10 percent of choked ventus 3080s
pale quartz
the artificial power lock Nvidia put on with Turing was telling just how good it was with clock speed
prisma anvil
Yeah this is some binned stuff
When I opened it it has a blue marking next to the die
pale quartz
lucky probably haven't heard but Nvidia made it impossible to flash custom vBIOS's for rev 2 on the 2080ti
entirely locked down if you did it you'd brick the card
prisma anvil
I think it's possible to flash strix matrix bios on normal strix
pale quartz
you can I'm meaning cross vendor
prisma anvil
360w
pale quartz
the matrix uses the OG vBIOS signature as the base so it works perfectly fine
prisma anvil
Yeah I'm so happy this one just straight up 373w. Not even gonna bother flashing.
pale quartz
lucky your rev didn't have the 280 hard wall
prisma anvil
First time I get to overvolt a gpu.
pale quartz
I'll never forgive Nvidia for the shenanigan bs they pulled with the 2080ti
prisma anvil
🤣🤣🤣 Mf high end 30 series got me down bad
prisma anvil
2080ti has 3 types of gddr6 vram. Samsung hynix and micron.
Micron is the bad one.
Temp sensitive and unstable.
Samsung is clear tho
Clocking +1000 should be expected
keen swift
Hello
vapid dawn
im on a RTX 2060 can i max out the graphics on battlefield 2042? with all my other pc games i can max out the graphic on those
Anyone know?
toxic wigeon
Nope.
pale quartz
im on a RTX 2060 can i max out the graphics on battlefield 2042? with all my oth...
^ + your card is essentially a 1070
quick locust
1070 with accelerators
dry pike
If I was an orc I would suggest painting the gfx card red to make it go faster. Sadly I'm just a ooman.
quick locust
Some older gpus had red pcbs
dry pike
indeed, I'm sure they would have been a lot slower without it 😄
tight tangle
My new PC just fell on it's side, should I be looking out for any kind of damage?
tight tangle
I kneed the edge of my PC and it just fell, it already was on the ground so it probably didn't fall too hard.
prime jasper
https://glorious.ladesk.com/974750-Model-O-PRO 55g wireless mouse
g pro superlight is 63g
and more expensive
wonder if its good
upbeat aurora
3080ti or 6950xt on 5950x
storm osprey
https://glorious.ladesk.com/974750-Model-O-PRO 55g wireless mouse
ive kind of sworn off glorious, my mouse and several of my friends mice have some sort of problem, and then they announce a mouse, put it up for pre order, then release another mouse before the other mice has shipped
toxic wigeon
@upbeat aurora What's your target resolution? If 4k use the 3080ti. If the 6950x is just as much and you're on 1440p go for that.
upbeat aurora
<@308583858608275456> What's your target resolution? If 4k use the 3080ti. If th...
1080p iksdeh
toxic wigeon
1080p iksdeh
Then go with the 6950XT. AMD does much better on 1080.
upbeat aurora
ahhh good to know thanks for your expertice
toxic wigeon
I don't know a super amount but I'm glad I could assist.
prime jasper
both of them are bit overkill for 1080p tho, but if you have the money why not
upbeat aurora
both of them are bit overkill for 1080p tho, but if you have the money why not
Going for them cuz no bottleneck got 1070rn and it’s like 25% GPU necked
prime jasper
how you figured that?
upbeat aurora
how you figured that?
prime jasper
i wouldn't call that bottleneck but future proof cpu, you wont be maxing 3080TI on 1080p, now you have monitor bottleneck
i would upgrade my monitor and get 3080
upbeat aurora
I‘m fine with my Panel 0.5ms 240hz idc bout Resolution need fps, low frametimes etc
prime jasper
fair enough, idk if 2042 runs very high fps even with 3080TI
i remember people were struggling to push past 160
upbeat aurora
Well ig better then now with 1070 XD I play 1600x900 with 120-160
toxic wigeon
The game wasn't well optimised at the start and it has improved massively.
The game is more CPU dependant.
And on 1080P your 5950x will carry it.
prime jasper
The game wasn't well optimised at the start and it has improved massively.
has the maximun fps gone any higher?
prime jasper
i played in december-january and got +100fps on low settings with 5700XT
toxic wigeon
I dunno I had nothing to compare it to.
My friend with his 5700xt and certain settings got 120.
And he has a 5800x.
quick locust
I get 90 ish at 1440p
prime jasper
now waiting for my 3070 to arrive
toxic wigeon
I get 90 to 110 with my 3080 and 5600x.
quick locust
I have 8700K and 2080ti, 90-100 ish
toxic wigeon
An x3d will push it even further as my mate has a 3070ti with an 5800x3d.
prime jasper
yeah i will upgrade my cpu next
using now 11th gen i5 i forgor the model
but its gaming beast
upbeat aurora
11600 ig
Somone got some idea on this whole AMD CPU/GPU RAM thing that should give you some extra speeds never really understood this stuff
prime jasper
apparently its more expensive now xD
molten flame
11th gen is worse than 10th gen in many scenarios tho
prime jasper
true to some of them
the i5 is only good 11th gen
its actually beating the i7 is some things
quick locust
The 11600K and 11700K is the same die iirc
remote dirge
why is there no invert X axis option but there is for Y ? for some reason my X axis is inverted and its been unplayable for months. in battlefield 1
sweet cloak
so my bf42 is lagging each time i have any other program open it just network issue No other game has this issue only bf42 sometime it works sometimes not for the life of me I can not think of anything that would cause this
prisma anvil
I have 8700K and 2080ti, 90-100 ish
Golden combo
I get 100-200+ depending on maps. But usually 140-160 range
10850k.
I actually want to find a cheap 8700k platform for my 2080ti.
terse glade
Who the hell needs a better CPU than a Ryzen 5500 like seriously
molten flame
5500 sucks
dry pike
5500 is a fine cpu, but it is in the low end
toxic wigeon
Gib 5800x3d or 7800x3d.
prime jasper
what happen here
3050 fucking sucks
RX 6600 is the way to go at that price point
i don't know how nvidia decided to release it, they had to know its horrible
and people who dont follow are buying nvidia because they think its superior
then they get this
i feel bad for everyone who bought it
1050TI was great
molten flame
Navi 23 (AKA 6650XT/6600XT/6600) is one of AMD's finest products for graphics in a while
the plain 6600 is comparable to the 3060 in many games
prime jasper
6600 is 250 dollars in amazon 😉
amd seems to always come up with some budget beast gpu's
not taking anything away from 6800 tho
or 6700
5700XT was also good but driver issues are still a thing
terse glade
so....... did your gpu now died fr?
prime jasper
no, i ordered 3070.
dry pike
Foam modded my keyboard today. Then tape modded. Tomorrow is lube day. Quite time consuming.
prime jasper
Ordered corepads for my superlight
coarse nimbus
one might read "tomorrow is lube day" and snicker..... I mean i certainly wouldnt but others might 
clever hazel
prisma anvil
amd can hold my 340 dollars evga ftw3 2080ti
prisma anvil
Successful delid on my 8700k today.
molten flame
The last "simple" CPU to delid
prime jasper
this is what im waiting to be delivered
i might get waterblock for the gpu
the cooling on that card is pretty good tho
for dual fan setup
(galax is same as kfa2)
dry pike
this is what im waiting to be delivered
Looks nice. I would personally be a little pondering about the 650 watt PSU for the power spikes of a 3070 but it at least seems to be a good quality Seasonic PSU so it is likely fine as long as you don't connect too many other things to it.
prime jasper
what power spikes
240W is power limit
for it
my cpu is taking barely 100W
that's plenty of power for other stuff
you mean transients
that psu can handle those
its platinum with all protections
maybe with 3090 it would struggle
dry pike
Graphics cards can sometimes spike, drawing more power for a few milliseconds. This is proportional to the power requirements so newer cards can spike quite a bit further compared to older generations.
But yeah, with that PSU quality it should be fine.
All depends ofc. if you have 15 fans, full RGB, 3x4k monitors and a thousand USB devices being powered from the board it could in theory become an issue down the line
prime jasper
5 fans in total including cpu fan with that case
does monitors add power draw for psu? must be minimal
dry pike
Well, it is all a lot of little draws that in the end can become quite a bit. But yeah, you can try finding a wattage calculator and see what they recommend: https://seasonic.com/wattage-calculator
that is a simple one, there are much more advanced ones out there too
prime jasper
its enough
pastel field
BF5 CPU or GPU intensive?
molten flame
what power spikes
Nvidia, particularly the RTX 2000 and more prominently the RTX 3000 series, suffers from intense transients that make power draw go up to 2-3x for a small fraction of a second, enough to make a system crash or shut off
everything has transients but Nvidia is really bad with them
molten flame
BF5 CPU or GPU intensive?
CPU
pastel field
Alright thanks so that means my 12700kf good enough?
molten flame
yes
molten flame
yeah Battlefield 5 and 2042 doesn't perform well with laptop CPUs anyway
pastel field
@.@ it performs quite well on BF1 for me tho
molten flame
BF1 was well optimized
pastel field
Very true
Well at least now I can play both games with no issues
From laptop to desktop
molten flame
prebuilt or DIY
pastel field
Prebuilt
molten flame
RAM matters as much as the CPU for BF5 and 2042
prisma anvil
I know. I saw 6900XT had a peak transient of 500+watt passing even 3090s somewhere.
Also my build I did with my friend 3080 ftw3 450w bios and 12700k 5.1ghz p core 4.1ghz e core is on 750rmx
pale quartz
its platinum with all protections
you should know that platinum isn't a measurement of being able to handle transient spikes, it is simply a measurement in electrical curve efficiency at a % load
pale quartz
I'm not sure what you mean by handle
if you mean prevent your pc from shutting down, sure, but that isn't handling transient power spikes, it's a failsafe
prime jasper
meaning it wont be shutting down
pale quartz
shutting down isn't what your concern should be with transient spikes
it's crashing your graphics card
prime jasper
it wont
pale quartz
you don't know that, and you're certainly on the boundary for it
so don't be surprised if it does happen
pale quartz
you mean seasonic which don't guarantee parts won't crash to begin with?
neither will, any, power supply manufacturer
what carbonic and Kris were alluding to were correct, in terms of wattage you should have at least 15% spare capacity under load to handle current adjustments
prime jasper
it has more than 15
pale quartz
no it doesn't, 650 is the maximum it can safely output in a consecutive period of time
what you are talking about is reserved capacity, this is not used for load adjustments
neither is it safe whatsoever to rely on it for higher sustained loads, it's what causes fires
prime jasper
you dont even know my system
pale quartz
you've got a screenshot of it with your build parts, and you've talked about it multiple times, so I do
prime jasper
so what is it
pale quartz
11400f isn't it? that with your GPU alone is approaching 450 watts, without even considering tertiary factors which need power, you have barely 100 watts that can be used before factoring in what you shouldn't be using
prime jasper
my systyem barely hits 500W and 85% of 650 is 552.5
pale quartz
what do you mean barely?
15% is a minimum, for safe, capacity you shouldn't be using
and as it hasn't be mentioned already, every single component in your PC has transient spikes in draw, not just the graphics card
prime jasper
cool, it will still work
midnight crypt
until it doesn't
prime jasper
then they give me new
thats how warranty works
doesnt matter what some guy in discord says if the product is rated for it
coarse nimbus
"some guy"? bro surely you mean "your worst nightmare"
prime jasper
Keyboard warriors mean nothing to me
molten flame
it's funny cuz a GTX 1080Ti rated for 250W actually draws way less power than a RTX 3070 rated at 220W
RTX 3070 will regularly draw well over 250 watts
meanwhile GTX 1000 series GPUs typically draw equal/less power than their rated TDP
short pawn
can someone try running microsoft flight simulator 2022 on windows 95
prisma anvil
Wha
pastel field
O crap I got a 3070 /o\
short pawn
In trying to ddu my driver but my kay lard is disabled on start up settings
prime jasper
meanwhile GTX 1000 series GPUs typically draw equal/less power than their rated ...
Prove it.
Thats total power consumption measured from the wall with Intel Core i9-10900K
Overclocked to 5.1GHz on all cores
So all of you are fuming with no reason
There is talk but then there is raw data.
And my card is essentially founders edition with better cooler.
toxic wigeon
"Why is my system shitting itself all of a sudden?"
"What the fuck"
pale quartz
"Why is my system shitting itself all of a sudden?"
"What the fuck"
memory leaks 101
toxic wigeon
memory leaks 101
Dude I wasn't even aware it was on at all.
I just turned on my computer.
that's the funny par.t
Like the fuck.
pale quartz
it's on by default wdym
toxic wigeon
I mean. I don't even use it.
I still have my old mentality that 3.5 gigs always being used is bad haha.
pale quartz
the issue was resolved with KB5016616, make sure you've got it installed
toxic wigeon
Huh.
lofty light
Wait until you see my work timesheets webpage taking up 12GB at a time 
pale quartz
And my card is essentially founders edition with better cooler.
not sure where you're getting this false idea that your card is like the founders edition, when the FE revisions have better cooling than AIB models for ampere
your card is a custom binned card, it isn't a founders board or a cooler, and it's outside of nvidias specifications, so it isn't comparable
toxic wigeon
Ah.
prime jasper
not sure where you're getting this false idea that your card is like the founder...
what ever you say
for people that have common sense better thermals mean better cooler, so you can rant about stuff all you want
maybe learn some people skills so someone would actually take you serious
quick locust
Don't do ad hominem lol
molten flame
pale quartz
who'd have thought saying something which is true leads to being called toxic
prime jasper
doesnt matter if its true or not when you use stuff to talk down on people every time you talk to people you dont like
pale quartz
are you sure it's, you don't like me
and are taking something too personally
cause I don't have an opinion about you
prime jasper
great, then you can stop being toxic all the time
pale quartz
not at all, infact nowhere was I being as such, just because you don't like something doesn't mean the person saying it has ill intent lol
molten flame
pale quartz
you have a very.. odd view, this is a public discord channel
prime jasper
and you have no life
prime jasper
says the guy who talks down on people daily basis
pale quartz
I've been pretty clear that I never have done, or said anything which has that intent
prime jasper
and never proves any of his claims
molten flame
Someone linked the Gamers Nexus video proving it
pale quartz
you have done nothing but talk to down to me, no less than 3 times in the last 15 minutes
failing at it I might add
so perhaps do as you preach
toxic wigeon
I have been observing this chat for the past 5 minutes.
@prime jasper Knock it off. There's no need for the insults.
lofty light
toxic wigeon
I see toxicity from you right now with the name calling.
prime jasper
he had it coming
toxic wigeon
Don't care.
Moving on.
I do wonder if intel could ever do an x3d variant like with amd.
toxic wigeon
@pale quartz Is there more confidence with amd now or nah?
pale quartz
in what sense
toxic wigeon
Hard to describe.
Wasn't there a point where amd wasn't doing too hot and as such people looked more at Intel as a result?
lofty light
Bulldozer? 
pale quartz
depends what time in history you're talking about but I'll go along with you're talking about Zen 2
z3 was/is competitive with ADL and the x3d just outright beats it, depends on the game
prime jasper
hot is what the amd next cpu will be on thermal wise (allegedly)
pale quartz
z4 will be competitive with raptor lake on Intel's side, in confidence terms though, by consumer, yeah it's changed a lot
much of the next generation till the x3d SKUs roll around for the first few months will be bench load, but 3GHz FCLK on DDR5 will be the regular
lofty light
Last I looked AMD and Intel were about the same in confidence from consumers
pale quartz
it depends on the market category, generally the initial assumption is DIY, but it isn't most of the PC market
in terms of the laptop realm intel still dominate the sector, blame supply side issues on AMDs part not being able to meet demand
lofty light
I wouldn't be surprised if Arm was getting nearly as popular in laptops due to Mac as AMD
pale quartz
AMD are in high regard with consumers, but level with intel in confidence, not quite there
they've still got to prove themselves, z4 will do it
lofty light
GPUs wise amd still seem dodge from what I've seen, as almost an outsider at this point
Hear nothing but driver woes
pale quartz
I wouldn't be surprised if Arm was getting nearly as popular in laptops due to M...
if you go by the entire "tech" market ARM is king, even if most don't even notice it
pale quartz
phones tablets IOT things sensors etc if there's an item somewhere, there's a 99% chance it has an ARM something inside it
car being the the second, but you'll be hard pressed to find someone say ARM over intel, funnily enough in name recognition
even in the DIY market your PC buyer purchasing that fancy new monitor is unwittingly buying ARM components
quick locust
It's part of most things
There's ARM in ryzen too
the psp module
Everything apple now too besides ma pro
just server and PC thats mostly x86
x86 is a lience mess so just 3 companies use it
prisma anvil
I have no confidence in AMD
At my work place AMD system fails 5X more than intel.
I mean its not completely AMD's fault, we can blame vendors, but still.
I also have no confidence in 30 series in general.
we have a mountain full of evga card that needs rma.
quick locust
Eh I haven't seen them having many specific issues besdies usb
prisma anvil
we counted. 1/8 failed
quick locust
rip
pale quartz
Eh I haven't seen them having many specific issues besdies usb
there's x370 remember
prisma anvil
yall can have the best rma, but that doesnt excuse from 1/8th of the card goes to hell
b450 steel legend.
pale quartz
that in itself was a horror show for board issues
quick locust
ah
quick locust
all of my hw has been rock solid except lenovo keyboard controller
prisma anvil
absolute joke
quick locust
lol
prisma anvil
costumer brought it BSOD every 2 mins
U pass memtest 300% and tm5 3 cycles. reboot, wont read storage
I kinda give it a pass cause ddr5 is new n stuff but still
I get people ask me yo can I get 2 more sticks of DDR5 6200 cl36 and work?
I was like KEKW
pale quartz
just say yes then set it to gear 2
prisma anvil
all ddr5 is gear 2. we have to run 4800 jedec
quick locust
still never used gear system before, probably will be a while
quick locust
well i dont have gear system anyway
quick locust
but this gigabyte board is stinky at mem oc
prisma anvil
u know if people want reliability, I tell them to get 10th gen + z490. they reliable as f
pale quartz
overclocking will eventually go away and game developers will cry a sigh of relief once it's locked out
quick locust
mm yes then they can make games with assets from unity store and physics tied to 30 fps easier
jk
prisma anvil
true. 3d cache and ddr5 etc will make tuning not necessary
gonna miss the golden day of ddr4 oc gaining like 40 fps in warzone
pale quartz
don't worry we'll still have idiots unlocking the power limits just to see their cinebench scores go up and then anecdotally think it's going to magically change their games somehow
prisma anvil
see I don't blame intel for unlocking powerlimit for there k chip. even before z690, more than half of the vendor unlocks it anyways. Now people say it runs hot.
quick locust
I always have it unlocked too
quick locust
did for GPU as well for a while
pale quartz
alternatively just run avx512! you get the same result
quick locust
spicy
prime jasper
Can anyone help I downloaded battlefield V on steam and origin launcher said I need a product code with 16 digits on it and I cannot locate the code anywhere
pale quartz
Can anyone help I downloaded battlefield V on steam and origin launcher said I n...
they are separate purchase platforms, if you purchase it on steam, it will only work on steam, and vice versa
midnight crypt
Time to never buy an LG product
tropic field
Why have none of them realized that you can just take a picture of the nft
It's the stupidest concept conceivable and they still think it can generate profit
stiff swift
People are silly/arrogant enough that they'll actually make a bit of money on it.
cursive marten
Buy 'em when they're cheap, convince a bunch of idiots that they're worth more than you paid so you can profit off of it, and then run
typically how most things involving crypto work.
lofty light
Sadly nfts seem to be almost entirely a scam from the producers, so only they make the money from it and it's worthless as soon as you buy it
cursive marten
oh yeah so it's basically make something with as little effort as possible, convince a lot of people that they're gonna be worth something, and THEN run.
lofty light
Exactly
If you're gonna make money from crypto related stuff it's either coins or being the nft scammer
pastel field
Razer Deathadder mouse good?
cursive marten
i wouldn't recommend anything from Razer on account of their software being garbage
pastel field
/o\
lofty light
Also build quality seems trash from what I've heard
I always go Logitech, although those have died on me a bunch too
cursive marten
I'm personally running a Model O- from Glorious cause a friend of mine tossed it at me. It's been working fine.
storm osprey
Razer Deathadder mouse good?
V3 is good from a lot of sources. Best wireless performance too.
So far my super light is my only recent mouse to not have problems for what it’s worth. Plus you can get a super light on sale, you won’t get a death adder v3 on sale for a while.
pastel field
V3 is good from a lot of sources. Best wireless performance too.
V3?
Oh
Ah mine I ordered is V2
I don't normally use the software
storm osprey
V2 wouldn’t be my top choice but it’s not a bad mouse.
pastel field
I rarely purchase gaming mice
lofty light
Imo my favorite gaming mouse has been the Logitech G604
pastel field
Like by any normal circumstances I'll just plug it in and use it already
Maybe I'll get a Logitech next
lofty light
The new Logitech software is awful ngl
pastel field
/o\ yikes
lofty light
Luckily I don't need to touch it very often
cursive marten
Imo my favorite gaming mouse has been the Logitech G604
I don't have much experience with gaming mice, like, i've used a Logitech G402[?], as well as some Roccat mouse i don't remember the name of.
both of them broke on me.
lofty light
The 402 is the one with six thumb buttons?
lofty light
Ahhh that's right it's that mouse
This is the g604
Damn fine mouse, plus it's got enough thumb buttons to hotswap between weapons and have grenade etc on it too
cursive marten
eh i don't have weapon switching on mouse buttons anymore
pastel field
Damn fine mouse, plus it's got enough thumb buttons to hotswap between weapons a...
Best mouse I guess for battlefield series?
lofty light
I used it when I played a lot of battlefield yeah
Play a lot more destiny now but still use it for that
For battlefield you've got the two guns and a bunch of gadgets plus grenade, so you defs use all the thumb buttons
storm osprey
Best mouse I guess for battlefield series?
There’s never a best, but personally I think for fps the lighter the better as long as the size and shape work for you.
pastel field
Heck ye alright I've made up my mind
But no so soon either
As long as it's optimal for battlefield I'm fine with it
toxic wigeon
I use a g203, A cheap budget mouse and I'm dominating people with it. 
storm osprey
Viper mini another good budget
toxic wigeon
In the future when this mouse dies I wouldn't mind paying a little more.
storm osprey
I’d highly recommend wireless. It’s sooo nice.
prime jasper
Absolutely. Cable is so annoying
Haven't had any issues with wireless. There is no noticeable lag
fallen harbor
hey guys
so uh
this is embarrassing
i did this accidentally
do you think it can be bad? the ssd still works normally so far
prime jasper
your links don't work
fallen harbor
huh
how about now?
aah
wait
i think i know why
i think they should now
storm osprey
Probably fine.
prime jasper
the actual ssd is much smaller than the cover usually and as its working normally i doubt you did any damage to it
for example
can you see if its damaged?
fallen harbor
i can only have a peek at it and it doesnt look touched
so i guess its fine
tyvm
i feel better now
prime jasper
you just have extra cooling now 😄
fallen harbor
lmao
prime jasper
not bad at all, i cant even hear it over the case fans that aren't really loud either
played apex with unlimited fps
definitely room for more aggressive fan curve if needed
room temperature is 22 C
tawdry wharf
cursive marten
nice
storm osprey
looks like a chocolate keyboard
just noticed the foil so im gonna guess thats the intention
fallen harbor
the perfect keyboard doesn't ex-
dry pike
those must be browns
molten flame
RDNA2 integrated graphics for Ryzen 7000 Pheonix rumored to be getting double the amount of L0/L1/L2 caches
No L3 tho
short pawn
Razer cortex my beloved
stuck tangle
ah yes deco's tech support chat
quick locust
indeed
umbral crater
Hows the best chat in bfd doin?
quick locust
Good good, you?
umbral crater
Happy that i got unbanned
molten flame
iPhone 14 using same CPU as the 12 and 13
storm osprey
the pro models are using a16, granted, 99% of people dont need more than an a14
molten flame
A16 same architecture as A15 and A14
kinda like how Intel 8th/9th/10th gen are same architecture
molten flame
the pro models are using a16, granted, 99% of people dont need more than an a14
true, we're reaching a point to where phones don't need more processing power, rather need more focus on battery life, charging times and I/O stuff
dapper saffron
true, we're reaching a point to where phones don't need more processing power, r...
i think apple should try to make foldable phone a better one than Samsung's with camera under the screen not visible at all and thin also being durable rest is already awesome in apple phones, i don't like when every phone looks same 
weak girder
foldable phones are the definition of useless
lofty light
Noctua 
molten flame
it's funny because you really only need like a fifth of all those fans
lofty light
You visually need them all though
With the prices of fans nowadays, they're probably the most expensive thing there bar the GPU
molten flame
that many fans together probably use as much electricity as a GPU too
storm osprey
phanteks t30 are better, and arctic p12 better value
pastel field
👀 fans
umbral crater
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/111504456838819840/1017319304326283284/un...
21 fans
prime jasper
my case came with aspect 12 rgb fans
guess they are ok
never seen anyone do such detailed fan testing
terse glade
not bad at all, i cant even hear it over the case fans that aren't really loud e...
So around 20 watt on idle the rtx 3070 sucks, not very good tbh
Mine sucks 7 watt on only desktop
It's just a single fan 2080s tho
molten flame
might have had a video open
terse glade
If you wouldn't mind, can you try once the GeForce experience panel and set everything to lowest bar on performance? You might be surprised that the performance not significantly drops but temps and watt consumption goes dramatically down
Alt + z
It's inbuilt so dw I don't recommend anything risky
prime jasper
Also hwmonitor showed different power draw to nvidia overlay
terse glade
Because I do that since a year and I never go back. Normally my GPU would hit like 85c and 200+ watt but since I set everything to lowest bar on performance I have almost the same performance but watt consumption don't go above 125 anymore and highest temp is now 71c
prime jasper
So im not sure which one would be more accurate
Gpuz has monitoring also if i remember correctly
terse glade
I would think Nvidia is more accurate because others are third-party
molten flame
hwinfo64 is way better than hwmonitor
mint sphinx
Anyone have room for 1 more ?
molten flame
Anyone have room for 1 more ?
heatsink has more to do with cooling than fans
didn't mean to reply to that msg
molten flame
I only have 1 fan <:SadCatThumb:577917242617102352>
is it a blower?
molten flame
heatsinks for blower coolers are small
prime jasper
it do be drawing 20W on idle with these stock settings
molten flame
higher than normal
terse glade
it do be drawing 20W on idle with these stock settings
That's what I thought
Now press alt+z
GeForce experience should open
Go to performance and set everything to lowest bar 😄
prime jasper
you want me to put power max at 46% ?
terse glade
ye
terse glade
It's more a thing to reduce heat and power consumption during playing a game. I hoped it also reduces idle watt for u but it doesn't look like it
terse glade
Ahhhhh
terse glade
Discord only affects CPU
toxic wigeon
You can turn on hardware accel as well.
terse glade
Ye that's fair enough. I mean it's a fucking 3070
Still weird mine 2080 only sucks 7 tho
Because single fan maybe
prime jasper
i have zero rpm enabled
terse glade
Last week I was busy configuring my CPU to suck max 40 watt on full load and somehow achieved it by setting it to 3400mhz maximum speed and 0.95 max voltage XD
prime jasper
its idling at 0 rpm
terse glade
Ah ok then the fans are innocent
terse glade
Last week I was busy configuring my CPU to suck max 40 watt on full load and som...
By achieving it I mean to play bf5 on full lobby without stuttering or bottle neck
75fps on ultra on 3440x1440
toxic wigeon
To be fair. That's not even bad.
120 FPS ultra 4k will be a crazy milestone to hit.
prime jasper
what are the current gpu's getting at 4k?
terse glade
3440 x 1440 is ALMOST! 4k tho
terse glade
To be fair. That's not even bad.
https://youtu.be/sxmcu9mfUKU I recorded it with benchmark
prime jasper
there should be new benchmarks done with the game tho as its running better
hardware unboxed did benchmark lot of hardware but it was last year
terse glade
IKR! it really feels like they improved something but dunno what
prime jasper
would be interesting to see how much its improved
terse glade
Mostly because DLSS!
Nvidia is really pushing it for good
Best Innovation so far recently
Another good benchmark game would be the new spider man
I'm pretty sure I could run it on 4k with dlss
With my 2080s
- undervolting
😛
prime jasper
im on 1440p because high refresh rate
and fps
i probably could go 4k with some settings but 4k 120hz+ screens would be expensive
i can't use 60Hz anymore
its too slow
terse glade
I feel kinda the same and my monitor is only 75hz
But these 15 fps are missing if I'm on 60
prime jasper
i have 165Hz
terse glade
prime jasper
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g273qf bought this for 299€ on sale
mainly because of the response times
i should get it calibrated as it has potential to have almost perfect color too
terse glade
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g273qf bought this for 299€ on ...
You made a pretty good deal
Let me check what cost it here
prime jasper
yeah my old monitor had awful response times especially on dark scenes, visible blur so i really wanted better
ironically asus marketed it as gaming monitor
terse glade
MSI Optix G27CQ4-006 - 27 Zoll (69 cm), WQHD (2560x1440) Gaming Monitor, VA Panel, 165 Hz, 1 ms, AMD FreeSync, HDMI, DP, schwarz, DE Version
269€
On Amazon
Not bad
prime jasper
yeah it has come down in price
it was months ago
pretty good deal if you looking for new
stand is horrible tho, im getting monitor arm so doesnt matter 😄
terse glade
I bought a monitor stand from Ikea for 29€ xd
With a chest and stuff
Looks cute xd
I'm too clumsy to drill holes into the wall
And install an arm
prime jasper
oh yeah i dont want stuff blocking my desk so i get monitor arm
you dont need to drill holes you can attach it to your desk
terse glade
Uh ohhhh I know what u mean
prime jasper
takes tiny part on edge of your desk
terse glade
I see it on Amazon damn that's pretty nice idea
prime jasper
like this
prime jasper
lol at manufacturers comparing stuff: The liquid crystal molecules of Rapid IPS display rotate as fast as the tornado.
quick locust
Ye an DC fan
Just set it to dc mode in bios then you can adjust the curve like normal
If it doesnt do it automatically
terse glade
Just set it to dc mode in bios then you can adjust the curve like normal
I think I can't even set it on bios
Only my CPU fan
quick locust
Then your board is stinky
terse glade
450 Mainboard
quick locust
Most either auto detects the type or lets you set manually
terse glade
Let me open bios
quick locust
Ya lol
Set all 3 pin dc fan to correct mode then
Then they'll run normally with a curve
terse glade
I need soon go to PC shop anyway to replace my prebuilt case into an lian LI and get new fans and stuff
terse glade
Haha well I'm still not really sure if it recognizes the DC fan correctly tbh because auto calibration just leave it on pwn wtf
quick locust
Just set it manually to DC for the 3 pin one
quick locust
Well no idea since I don't know where you plugged it in 😛
prime jasper
CHA3 Fan u mean?
that just means chassis fan 3
terse glade
CPU fan on pwn is correct I hope?
quick locust
If its a pwm fan yes
prime jasper
usually they are 4 pin
terse glade
I honestly don't know which one