technology

[lofty light]

Steam deck?

[quick locust]

Nah, my PC

my steam deck hasnt come yet, though hopefully it does next week ish.

[lofty light]

Oh fair enough, didn't recognise that interface from steam desktop

[modern gull]

[short pawn]

Hello your computer has virus

[tame mural]

microsoft tech support moment

[frozen fractal]

what cpu you have?

[silk linden]

anyone think upgrading cpu and mobo for alder lake cpu is worth it if i currently have an i7 10th (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Echology/saved/GXKRVn)
Or, should I wait till new CPUs come out, and then upgrade mobo and cpu once i have a better idea of what is available

[toxic wigeon]

Do you intend on upgrading to DDR5? @silk linden

Or would you rather not.

If you transfer DDR4 and use an i7 13700, You will be bottlenecked. At that point you may as well get DDR5.

[silk linden]

i mean right now i dont see the benefit to ddr5, it just seems expensive, but i am open to new ideas on that front as I haven't really researched it myself

so, i would be open to upgrading to it, especially if im gonna be getting a new mobo eventually, to get a new cpu, so i would be interested in upgrading

[toxic wigeon]

Yeah that's fair.

[silk linden]

if its gonna be a bottleneck, i should upgrade

[silk linden]

@toxic wigeon do you think, when I do upgrade, that I should upgrade my ram to ddr5, as well as upgrade my cpu?

if so, what cpu would you think would be appropriate? Should I go for 13k, or wait till new cpus come out, like the Ryzen 7000x or 13th gen

[toxic wigeon]

The 13700 is the 13th gen.

[silk linden]

yes

would going from a 10th -> 13th be a good bump up

[toxic wigeon]

What I think you should do is indeed get Raptor lake with DDR5. It'll be a big bump up in power yeah.

[silk linden]

ok

[toxic wigeon]

Wait for more opinions on the matter too.

[silk linden]

indeed, I will judge more clearly when they are more tested and more information is known

thank you

[toxic wigeon]

No worries.

When its out. There'll be official reviews on it too.

So you can use that as well for a basis.

[silk linden]

sounds good

[dusky nest]

technology

[short pawn]

how do i get Stereo mix back

it dissapeared after uninstall and reinstalling razer 7.1 surround sound software

[dry pike]

https://support.razer.com

[short pawn]

Got nothin

[pale quartz]

ADL isnt worth the cost upgrade

even then RPL will be a hard sell from 10th gen, advice is wait for Zen 4

[silk linden]

would it be more worth waiting till 7000x comes out

[silk linden]

what’s Zen 4

[pale quartz]

ryzen 7000

[silk linden]

ah

so yes

[pale quartz]

no, not regular Zen 4

vcache parts will launch after, it's what you will want

[silk linden]

so… what should i do

[pale quartz]

wait for the 7800x-900x3d, or get the 5800x3d if you're wanting something immediate

nothing else is worth the cost

[silk linden]

yeah i can wait, i’ll make sure to note that

[pale quartz]

RPL will be mopped by x3d Zen 4 so dont even bother considering buying it you'll end up burned

[silk linden]

noted

i think that’s what nyphon told me as well

that RPL wouldn’t be worth it

so yeah i’ll just continue to wait for Zen 4, and then i’ll deal with what i get later

[pale quartz]

it'll be more or less a bloodbath in the second revision of Zen 4, RPL and base Zen 4 will compete with one another

but the platform support isn't even close x670e also wipes the floor with RPLs chipset

both will be around October~ vcache next year

[silk linden]

unsure what x670e is but i get the memo

[pale quartz]

x670e is the chipset for Zen 4 and above

includes support for PCIe 5.0 DDR5 etc

[silk linden]

gotcha

are x670e chipset boards out, or is that also something i should wait to get later… unsure on that front, i know i’m gonna need to plan to upgrade basically everything besides my gpu, i just haven’t gotten down to the actual stuff yet

[pale quartz]

launching next month

Zen 4 not long after

[silk linden]

cool

[dry pike]

We expect x3d Zen 4 to perform significantly better in gaming?

[pale quartz]

won't even be close

and by close it'll be a 15% margin minimum

[dry pike]

and it will be better than Zen 3 in gaming why?

[pale quartz]

because that's how big cache chunks work lol

Zen 4 is focused on single core boost clocks and vcache dishes on a monolithic die reducing calls to main DRAM, which is why the 5800x3d mops everything that currently exists

[dry pike]

didnt work like that for Zen 3 in gaming, not that many games took advantage of the big cache

[pale quartz]

put simply there's 0 reason to buy raptor lake 13th gen next generation other than if you're finding it for some 20% base reduction in price, it will lose heavily a few months after it launches and it's inferior in platform choice, just a showboat for AMD entirely

[pale quartz]

have you seen half of benchmarks?

the x3d has a 20%+ performance gain over half of Zen 3 based products where cache dies matter, battlefield being one of the biggest examples

nevermind mentioning the 1% low increases which in some cases exceeds 40%

[dry pike]

Guess I will take another look.

5800x3d reviews did seem rather inconsistent last time I looked.

[pale quartz]

it was never close

this pattern will be repeated again next generation, just to an even greater segregation in performance difference

[dry pike]

I have been looking at this at 1440p which is my resolution, 9% increase on average and 5% for 2042.

It doesn't seem like solid advice to tell people to wait buying a 7800x for a 7800x3d for a 9% performance improvement as that is typical when new CPUs arrive - and if 5800x3d is any indication it will be at least 9% more expensive.

[pale quartz]

bad resolution

not how you test CPU benchmarks, 1440p is GPU limited

and it is solid advice, because if you upgrade your GPU this bottleneck is reduced, increasing the gains from the cache

also, the 5800x3d has a base 600mhz reduction in clock speed, Zen 4's vcache will exceed 1GHz over the 5800x3d, not only is it solid advice, it's exactly what gamers should do

[dry pike]

Practial real world application matters.
Yes you can add a GPU upgrade conditional variable, but you can also add a conditional 4k monitor upgrade variable to make the argument the other way around.

[pale quartz]

no, it's literally, the same lol

4k is GPU limited

you upgrade your GPU, the cache gains increase

cache scales with resolution

[dry pike]

3% in the case of 5800x3d

[pale quartz]

on a, 90% bottlenecked resolution?

you realise you're showing exactly what I'm saying?

next generation is a base 80% increase over this generation in performance, you are just showing what I have been saying for the last 10 minutes

[dry pike]

You are ignoring what I am saying. I'm talking cost/benefit + time consideration for waiting. I'm saying the reasons for waiting becomes less relevant as we go up in resolution.

[pale quartz]

there is no cost/benefit

it's a cost increase

you are paying more in the long term to get the same level of performance, you're regressing

[terse glade]

It seems I better stay on my r7 3800x

😄

For the next 6 years knocks on wood

[pale quartz]

keep with it, but it'll be showing its age by next year

Zen 2 IPC's hasn't aged well at all

[terse glade]

Until now I can play every game at high to extreme on 3440 x 1440 on minimum 60fps

Dunno what games requirements are coming next

GTA 6 probably will set new Benchmarks

But man as long I can play on medium... Whatever

[dry pike]

It is always better to wait for more performance in the long term. But at some point you just have to upgrade. I've still not seen valid argumentation for waiting for x3d, a 3-15% increase in performance seems to be what you can expect. If the increased price of x3d is still there the price:performance ratio seems about the same to me.

But you've probably looked into Zen4 more than I have so maybe you are right, I'm just not seeing the price to performance benefit from waiting for x3d you are seeing I guess.

[terse glade]

Zen 4 and shit sounds so "advanced" and shit

But

They don't see one big issue

The power consumption

My r7 3800x max power draw is like 75w on normal stock settings

[pale quartz]

to be absolutely clear, this is only if the buyer has any "semi recent" processor, 10th gen+

[terse glade]

I would say the real advancement is done when you raise performance but on lower power draw

Which might happen later

[pale quartz]

if the user is a zen 2/9th gen user or lower then this is not applicable, the original build has a 10th gen processor

[terse glade]

But until then I wait and drink tea

[dry pike]

ah, fair enough

[pale quartz]

power draw? toss that out the window except for 6 core Zen 4

[pale quartz]

5GHz all core sustained will be possible, compare it to even 5 years ago Zen 4 would be considered a 3 generation increase in performance, over today's Zen 3

[dry pike]

I wonder what the IPC increase of Zen4 will be

[pale quartz]

base IPC around 10%

single core increases can't be measured with that, combine it and it's closer to 16%

actually higher than that for most applications as increases scale linearly clock for clock

[dry pike]

huh?

[terse glade]

I have just compared the Intel Core i5-12400F 12. Generation with my r7 3800x and damn.

The 6 core consumes half the Watt than mine but performance is much much better!

So I gonna get an 6 core for my next upgrade

For sure

[pale quartz]

applications take advantage of clock scaling differently depending on what they're doing, multicore will be around 25-30% over Zen 3 and single core around 16%~

put another way under sustained all core a 5900x will clock to around 4.4 on all CCDs with PBO, that'll increase to 4.9/5, which is a 3GHz increase

[terse glade]

Intel 12. Generation is equal to zen3 right?

[pale quartz]

(not) exactly but roughly comparable

depends on the SKU

[terse glade]

Seems like Intel has the better performance - price - efficiency package (for my untrained eyes)

Especially their 6 core CPUs

[pale quartz]

ADL has a performance/price advantage assuming it's not a i9, though it depends on what the buyer is wanting specifically

[dry pike]

Sounds like you are saying the IPC scaling is not linear but exponential.
Contrary to what you wrote above 🤔

[pale quartz]

no it's linear for single core

exponential for multi, which is why I highlighted the difference

[terse glade]

I just want to squeeze my rtx 2080 super every fps out for the next 6 years

:)

[pale quartz]

Turing? good luck with that

entirely bound by it right now will be even worse next gen

[terse glade]

Don't say my 2080 super is already outdated.... ?

[pale quartz]

correct

[terse glade]

[pale quartz]

will be considered a beginner card when RDNA3 and rtx 40 comes around

which sounds insane, but is what it is

[dry pike]

Why would each individual core do more instructions per cycle/clock just because more cores are doing work, compared to if only 1 core is going work?

[terse glade]

So rtx 4060 and Intel 13 generation 6 core for 2023 for me

[pale quartz]

long explanation involving how multicore workloads scale across threads, but in short IPC is a baseline measure of a single clock, so say, one core can do 50 instructions on 100MHz (hypothetical, today's is of a order of magnitude of unreadable numbers), and let's say the next generation has a baseline IPC increase of 10%, 10% of 50 = 5, meaning one core can now execute 55 instructions compared to the prior generation on the same clock speed, now for multi core loads this scales exponentially as they will divide their execution according to the clock, instruction and core count, tldr something that has 1000 instructions to be executed on say one core that executes 50 instructions per cycle, then a dual core comes along bringing a 10% baseline increase in IPC (55) IS/C, which is also a dual core, this means the total cycles that have to be executed has been halved by the core increase, and also further reduced by the IPC increase (20 cycles for the single core, 9.2~ for the second generation)

and hypothetically let's say the next generation also has a 10% increase in base clock, this will reduce the required cycle execution again, you get the idea

(trying to boil down a complicated topic as best as possible)

[pale quartz]

[dry pike]

", tldr something that has 1000 instructions to be executed on say one core that executes 50 instructions per cycle, then a dual core comes along bringing a 10% baseline increase in IPC (55) IS/C, w"
Why did the dual core have an additional IPC increase?

Logically it would be:
1 core doing 1000 instructions at 50/IPC = 20 cycles time
2 cores doing 1000 instructions at 50/IPC = 10 cycles time
then the next generation is 10% faster IPC
1 core doing 1000 instructions at 55/IPC = 18,18 cycles time
2 cores doing 1000 instructions at 55/IPC = 9,09 cycles time

[pale quartz]

IPC is per core, of a processor, unless it is something anomalous (e.g. alder lake involving multiple different generations of an architecture), the gains scale across every core

in reality its a lot more complicated involving processor core binning with voltage regulation to achieve the sustained increase in IPC, but thats how it works

[terse glade]

https://youtu.be/qUv7dACV8rQ better performance at almost half of the watts. I'm pretty much amazed

[pale quartz]

(in other words, the baseline increases come from the architecture that the processor is designed from), better way of explaining it

[dry pike]

IPC stands for instructions per cycle/clock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycle
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ipc-cpu-definition,5777.html

[pale quartz]

https://discordapp.com/channels/140933721929940992/422598689928773632/1005844715247255622

yes, per cycle/clock, of a core

[dry pike]

I get that newer architectures, faster speed, more voltage etc. etc. give increased IPCs.
That is not what I initially asked though.
I asked why the IPC of an individual core would go up the more cores there are.

[pale quartz]

the IPC does not, the number of cycles it takes to execute something does

you are confusing baseline IPC per clock with total cycles

and the answer to the latter is down to technologies that multicore scaling uses involving SMT2/4/8

which im deliberately avoiding trying to mention as thats a wormhole of a 40 paragraph topic

[dry pike]

Ok, lets boil it down to a simplified version of my initial question.
I understood you saying that:
if
Core A1 doing work B1 takes C1 time
then
2 x Core A1's doing work B1 will roughly take time C1 / 2 time

I then increase the amount of IPCs Core A can do by 10% and name it A2
Core A2 doing work B1 takes C2 time (0,9 x C1 time)
then
2 x Core A2's doing work B1 takes < C2 / 2 (0,9 x C1/2)
thus somehow the 10% increase in IPC becomes larger when more cores are involved?

I would personally expect some kind of overhead due to the work spreading the workload across several cores.

[pale quartz]

you would be correct, there is a latency penalty when you spread out workloads across multiple cores, however this isnt an issue for multicore scaling as it isnt important (for MC), whereas latency weighs heavily on single core loads

SMT is the technology involved with spreading out work across multiple threads, which ive tried to skirt over but essentially it allows for simultaneously executing more than one instruction (2/4/8 etc) per core through virtualising the workload (so 1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 4 etc), and thats as far as ill discuss SMT as its a minefield

[dry pike]

I think I get you and I think I might know where we got our lines crossed.
Let me try again.
If we live in a perfect world and the code being executed already is threaded perfectly, scales perfectly and every cycle is perfectly utilized without anything being idle (rendering SMT pointless). Then, and only then do more cores not increase the IPC of each individual core right? The exponential nature you were talking about stems from less idle states due to being able to break out the work.

This SMT performance increase for gaming does seem to take things a bit far and I think the initial 10% IPC increase AMD reported for Zen4 is probably the better number to go by.

[pale quartz]

bingo, unfortunately we dont live in that hypothetical world, if we did however we would be in skynet territory of essentially infinite scaling of computing power, but such is life unfortunately

[molten flame]

If you're looking into getting a mid-range GPU then not much reason to upgrade CPU

Afaik RTX 4060 will be faster than the 3070Ti

But likely fall short of the 3080, especially in higher resolutions

[prime jasper]

https://youtu.be/JCt39FG-H04

Celeron

[coarse nimbus]

but what are the chances of them making enough 4060s to last the first 2 hrs of it being on sale?

[tropic field]

Are syber mice any good

[naive cargo]

need help

[silk linden]

0%

[coarse nimbus]

That high huh?

[toxic wigeon]

You'd be lucky to get onto the site to order it in the first place cause of the traffic.

[molten flame]

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-threadripper-pro-5995wx-overclocks-to-5-15-ghzbreaks-cinebench-r23-record.html

64 cores at 5.15 GHz

[quick locust]

32% faster

Userbenchmark

Cursed website

[toxic wigeon]

How fucking blatant can this dude be jeez.

[midnight crypt]

its totally accurate

[cosmic cave]

Can someone give me a hand my games having issues

[toxic wigeon]

I misread it as a 12600k which made sense but nah.

[quick locust]

Got it today after a year wait

[prime jasper]

that’s large bruh I didn’t know steam deck was that big

I smashed my PSP by destroying it with a scissor 😭 worst things I regret to this day

[mild bough]

Does anyone know any good 1440p 144hz monitors? I'd like to not spend like 600$ aswell

[quick locust]

Slightly bigger than Switch

Switch size would be better comparison as psp is tiny compared to modern devices

[toxic wigeon]

PSP do be a bit tiny though.

Damn the PSP was amazing.

[quick locust]

Yup

Its tiny compared to modern devices

Even switch

Also mine still works perfectly, even the battery

After 17 years or so

[storm osprey]

we didnt deserve the psp

[molten flame]

Price of Ryzen 7 5800X3D will be reduced significantly ($100 or more) before Ryzen 7000 launches

[dry pike]

I expect everything DDR 4 based to get cheaper

Excellent time to buy pc if you don't update often probably.

[molten flame]

By end of year DDR5 will leap frog DDR4

8000 MT/s kits coming soon

You can expect 13900K to be up to 20% faster in gaming with a high-end DDR5 kit vs high-end DDR4

[prime jasper]

does anyone here have an i5-12400f?

just curious on how this chip performs in battlefield 2042

i've got an i5-9400f currently and drop down to 60fps w/ light stutters sometimes on the 128player mode T_T

so?

we all do

im on a 3060 with something good too

i play 144hz

but I get less than 80 most of the time

its 124 what do you expect

I got a curved MSI 144 youre not special

its not like warzone where everything just disintegrates past 300m

what the fuck is your commentary here providing

i'm asking for people with i5 12400fs

to see if it performs better than my 9400f

you are providing 0 input

I got an AMD ryzen 5 3600

idk if thats the same or worse

but its good and I get like 70 most of the time

its what you get with this game and most BFS to be honest

FPS cant go higher than like, 90 at low everything

[storm osprey]

could just google your setup and and 2042 benchmark and see what comes up

[prime jasper]

yeah i've tried to find some youtube benchmark comparisons but I haven't been able to spot out many good ones, it seems like the 9400f/12400f comparison isn't too common rn /;

there are a few but results vary wildly

like one dude with the same chip was getting 150fps and another getting 80fps

[storm osprey]

just look up your hardware but replace cpu and compare to your fps

you know what youre currently getting

[molten flame]

Hyperthreading + 30-40% single-core increase going from 9400F to 12400F

Preferable to have an 8-core CPU for BF2042

Like the 5700X or 12700F

[prime jasper]

@molten flame i went ahead and got the 12400F~ hopefully my framerates are smoother and more consistent now (': i'll report back with updates tomorrow as i have one day shipping

30-40% single core increase in speed sounds like a definitive worth it to me

[molten flame]

Did you get motherboard?

[prime jasper]

i got a gigabyte b660m ds3h to pair it with

with a mid range aftermarket cooler as well

[dry pike]

Hmm, just read that the Ryzen 7 infinity fabric sweet spot might be 3000mhz, meaning the memory for it would make 6000mhz the sweet spot.

[brave path]

Is the nvidia 40 series mobile version release next year

While the gpu release late 2022 for desktop only?

[cosmic warren]

anyone elses battlefield V crash upon first cold boot?

[quick locust]

They'd both run at 3000 MHz

[dry pike]

yes 3000mhz memory runs at 6000 due to it being dual data rate, thought that would be obvious from what I said

[pale quartz]

tldr you have 2x the available threads, so it'll make a significant improvement over what you have right now

[pale quartz]

Q2 2023, desktop Q4 2022

[pale quartz]

these are just numbers for what the median bin can take in terms of stable IF for 1:1:1 with the UCLK, 1:1 above 3GHz will be possible with higher binned SKUs

[dry pike]

oh sure, we just don't really know how possible it will be until we get it out in the wild

[dusky nest]

2143

[terse glade]

I have underclocked and undervolted my r7 3800x to 3400mhz on 1,05 volt. Max heat is 66c and max watt consumption around 40-50 with no performance issues whatsoever

I play on 3440 x1440 btw

Always get my stable 75fps (my monitor refresh rate)

[midnight crypt]

embeds are only for special people

[misty cedar]

I'm sorry, I have never known the rules of the channel, and my English is not very good. I found the original words of the pictures you sent just now. After translation, I learned that this channel is not a technical channel.

I want to ask which channel I go to ask questions

[pale quartz]

there isnt a support channel here

[misty cedar]

[proud trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/reminiscing-wish-we-could-go-back-good-old-days-going-back-gif-11810813

[brave path]

What? How is it possible that desktop graphic card release late then mobile version ???

Shouldn’t that be around September

2022

[pale quartz]

you read it wrong lol

[brave path]

Oh shoot nvm

[tame wharf]

Guys bad fps on i5 10400f and rtx 2060 (24 ram) can fix ? Dolls work ? And reflex?

[prime jasper]

@pale quartz dude my fps went from 55-80 in 128 player mode with an I5-9400F RX6600 to 110-144fps, this shit is fire as fuck. 12th gen is huge in terms of performance leap. frame stutters eliminated and smooth af.

so to anyone with a 9th gen CPU or older wondering if they should upgrade to 12th gen Intel for this game, YES it's worth it and the 12400F (what I have) is $178 on Amazon 🥳

can't believe how much smoother it is in terms of frame time and lag spikes / stutter. same equipment otherwise, same ram just new mobo and cpu

[toxic wigeon]

Holy that's a big boost.

Yeah you got something that should last you a small while.

[silent geyser]

https://www.reddit.com/r/origin/comments/wmhxs9/need_to_revamp_the_origin_app/

ugh I'm fedup with this

[pale quartz]

not particularly, there's much bigger gains

you're just doubling your thread count, it isn't to do with the architecture

[molten flame]

From 6 to 12 threads is a game changer literally

[storm token]

I went from 8 to 32 😮

[storm osprey]

austin didnt even mention architecture though

[molten flame]

I remember when Ryzen 5 2600 and i5-8400/9400 came out and people were choosing the i5 because of like 2-5% higher single-core performance and neglecting the fact that Ryzen had multi-threading

[prime jasper]

i've just always heard that hyperthreading negatively affects performance when gaming because it lowers the single-core speed

so i didn't expect the difference in framerate/frametime to be this drastic, it's worlds smoother. i don't dip below 100, before I was going down to 55 sometimes 💀.

and even when i was getting higher fps on my 9400f, like 80-100 fps in empty portions of the map, the frametime was considerably more stutter intensive with lagspikes galore. all on the same hardware otherwise

[pale quartz]

it does not

[molten flame]

BF2042 and BFV need at least 8 cores/threads for smooth gameplay

Though a quad-core with SMT is still gonna struggle a bit

[pale quartz]

nobody should be buying a quad core under any circumstances nowadays, 6 is the minimum, 8 preferred

[molten flame]

Navi 31 graphics core die is only 308mm^2

Each memory/cache die is only 37mm^2

Total die area for all 7 chiplets is 533mm^2 (308mm^2 of 5nm, 225mm^2 of 6nm)

[quick locust]

Consoles use 7 cores for games

[molten flame]

High-end RX 7900 XT has 96MB of Infinity Cache, 25% less than current RX 6900 XT, same amount as the 6700 XT

Supposedly 2nd gen Infinity Cache has insanely higher bandwidth/transfers so it doesn't need as much capacity

Also having a big 384-bit memory interface might also mean less dependency on cache

[pale quartz]

it doesnt mean a lesser dependency

just means its quicker to transfer stuff

[molten flame]

Navi 33 is a 203mm^2 monolithic 6nm die and its supposed to be as fast as Navi 21 lol

I don't get it tbh

That small area on 5nm might be plausible but 6nm nah

[pale quartz]

IF penalties don't exist on monolithic for communication, only MCM

[molten flame]

based on rumored die sizes of Navi 3, I don't think RX 7000 series will be that more expensive to manufacture than RX 6000, might even be the same

guess that's the point of MCM tho

5nm silicon costs over 50% more than 6nm

7nm costs about the same as it did 3 years ago lol

[prisma anvil]

brought 2 kits of samsung ic DDR5 5600 CL36 2x16 dominator plat

gonna experience DDR5 OC and stabilizing 4X16 DDR5

[proven iris]

.

[short pawn]

how it feels using amd

oh look new driver update
updates driver
game DX ERROR

ok im gonna revert to older driver
reinstalls old stable one
DX ERROR

why

[prime jasper]

Reinstall directx

[prime jasper]

i mean

i haven't ever noticed a driver issue with any amd gpu i've ever installed even years ago so i'm not too sure what to say

if you use ddu to wipe the drivers and reinstall with the same issues it's surely not amd drivers

[terse glade]

Majorly affected people with Linux os

The driver issues I mean

[prime jasper]

oh yes that is entirely true

i've heard about linux users running into driver issues with AMD GPUs, but shit, don't linux users run into driver issues with everything 💀

i feel like over the years i've seen so many gpu driver issue posts on linux from both sides of the market

[quick locust]

Eh AMDs are pretty good there

Intels as well

[pale quartz]

reinstalls
you mean overwrite lol

if you want to reinstall a driver, actually uninstall the one you have first

rookie error

[pale quartz]

no no remember bad AMD black screen graphics card company

[cloud lake]

Hardie u know nothing I use Linux and no driver issues, BF42 works BETTET on Linux than M$

[terse glade]

no one plays BF42 tho

[cloud lake]

Fuck off they do

Community over there is still going well

[terse glade]

what about modern games

you always crying that your games arent running on linux

and that your headset goes into donald duck mode

[cloud lake]

Nothing to do with that and that was down to ciken (your partner in crime) telling me wrong settings

Once I fixed that setting all good

I do use it time to time for modern games Hardie

[terse glade]

[terse glade]

on windows 11?

[cloud lake]

Linux Manjaro I do play some modern games on I played F1 2021 on there

[terse glade]

can u play f1 2022 on ultra ?

and stop nagging

im tired

and humid af

[cloud lake]

Ye

I do run it on ultra

[terse glade]

or i throw deco on you to knock some sense into you

or dub

[cloud lake]

I wish Celestine was still about, she would of knocked 1 hell of a lot of sense into you, like celestine did with Cena

[terse glade]

who the hell is celestine now

you bring up people like imaginative socketpuppets

[cloud lake]

She was 1 of the BF gang, sadly passed away she was here

[terse glade]

[terse glade]

damn you didnt told me about it earlier

[cloud lake]

Ask most of the old staff here they know of CB (my nickname for em) and man back in BF42 days we used to have TK wars lol

[terse glade]

with geeky?

[cloud lake]

Swear I did and naa not with sheep, sheep used to exploits that CB never liked

[terse glade]

did you met geeky at or bf42 at first?

mta*

[cloud lake]

Bf42

[terse glade]

😮

i thought u met up at mta lol

[cloud lake]

nope

[pale quartz]

actually it's not what you'd think

he's probably right, DX9C has been abandoned for development on windows for nearly a decade, there are Linux developers who focus on maintaining these.. call it arcane protocols

linux's main issue isnt with game performance the translation calls have a negligible impact on performance, rather it's that anti cheat layers have to be rebuilt to accommodate shell interfaces

you definitely aren't going to get game support for protocols like DS however on Linux, which will come around next year, so the Linux is good for gaming is shaky at best

[terse glade]

Linux just would be too much hassle for me to fiddle around

Yes it has certain benefits

[pale quartz]

it isn't for everyone, infact anyone using it for gaming is more or less stepping into no man's land

[terse glade]

But for an casual like me ... Nah

[pale quartz]

there isn't any real reason to use Linux with WSL around for regular folk at this point, other than if you're wanting to totally get rid of windows

[terse glade]

@cloud lake you see it?

[cloud lake]

Ye but for BF42 and BFV as they both use same engine (both retro games) and AMD having a few issue's with those older games Linux works better that is why I dual boot Hardie, I argue with ya on other server

[terse glade]

BFV isn't retro lol

It's 2018 game

[cloud lake]

BFV 2004

[terse glade]

And did you saw dub has wiped windows and install Linux?

[cloud lake]

BF5 2018

BfV = Battlefield Vietnam

[terse glade]

I don't know that game

[cloud lake]

https://youtu.be/pws5TPcxJiY not best quality RIP of the original trailer

[terse glade]

lol

[cloud lake]

i pmd ya a better one

[terse glade]

Why they deleted the original one

[cloud lake]

they ripped it off the BF42 discs, it had a option to BFV trailer

they basically converted a .BIK Hardie badly

[terse glade]

[molten flame]

AMD pushing back Ryzen 7000 launch so Intel wont have any Zen 4 processors to compare to when they announce Raptor-Lake

[pale quartz]

it's actually due to intel innovation

[molten flame]

What innovation

More E-cores

[short pawn]

Behold

Using ddu even though it does not help

[pale quartz]

..?

[short pawn]

Should of been more clear on that instead of saying reinstall

[sour goblet]

My balls are technology

[quick locust]

[vapid latch]

anyone here use the steel series 3 on battlefield 2042?

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-zen4-cpu-pictured-up-close

[tropic field]

me still having a ryzen 7 2700x:

[quick locust]

My 8700K is older but still decent

Might go 13th or 14th gen though

[random wadi]

Hey guys

[storm osprey]

howdy

[random wadi]

So I was trying to do the peacekeeper unlock, but I can’t upload clips from the PS4 to youtube

Its only a 1 minute 30 second video, and it just immediately says “cannot upload”, without giving me any information as to why

[tight tapir]

Any idea how to configure game tools to work like how the portal command is setup on this server?

[pale quartz]

https://portal.battlefield.com/ this is what you're looking for

[pale quartz]

the PS4 cannot upload a video if it's in 1080p resolution, it can only be done on the ps4 pro

[random wadi]

So I have to reduce thr resolution?

[pale quartz]

yes

[random wadi]

Ok

Thanks

Will it reduce audio quality as well?

[pale quartz]

no lol

[tight tapir]

No, it is not. Im using the BFstats bot on my discord, I can do the same commands, except its not as easy as typing /portal POST to post it, I have to use the default /bf2042 experience "CODE", but it does not create a thread or post. Our servers have stayed full for 4 days, so its not the server settings or experience im worried about. I just want to type /portal post (exp code) in my discord how @granite kestrel set up the bot.

I didn't realize he custom designed this bot for this server specifically until after I started digging into the API

I am basically wanting to use the @sly grotto on my server as it is used here. /portal POST then fill out a form. So it makes a new thread, and posts the info.

See #1009606208111513690

This is a technology question. Not how to use a portal server. Thanks for trying to help though bro

[ivory creek]

we are going to get fibre dragged into the bottom of the apartment building tomorrow but apparently they are going to keep the old coax wiring that already runs through the building to then transfer the internet from the bottom into our apartments , will that increase latency and reduce speeds alot compared to if we had the fibre wiring running all the way into our apartments?

they try to make it sound like something postitive that they wont have to go into our apartments and install new equipment this way, but i would have prefered them taking some time doing that and get a better connection

[quick locust]

Cheaper for them

Latency probably, bandwidth probably not, you can get more than 1 gbps with coax

[pale quartz]

this is a cost saving measure that most companies do, it's because the copper wiring is already pre-planned so it's just a case of wiring up the external fibre, the answer is potentially yes however in practical terms no, you can ask them to rewire it to full fibre, just beware it will cost you an arm and a leg as they have to rewire the entire apartment

[ivory creek]

i was hoping to get the same low pings i got at my parents place which was around 1-5ping to most servers located in the same country when i heard that they are finally going to install fibre here

i guess ill have to wait and see what i get

[pale quartz]

your latency will be materially not impacted

the copper wiring is short enough that distance for ping scaling is more or less a non factor, you should get fibre installed if you want to future proof the apartment, otherwise just allow them to run it into coaxial

[ivory creek]

alright, thanks

[molten flame]

Intel 13th gen CPUs will have 350W power limit option but only on upcoming Z790 motherboards

[terse glade]

Meanwhile I underclocked and undervolted my r7 3800x to a 40 watt tdp one and get same fps on all games

0,98 V and 3400mhz I set it

Stable af

On Ryzen master not on bios tho

My bios not really allow to undervolt my CPU for some reason

Otherwise I would

[terse glade]

What do they think with that consumption....

God damn my rtx 2080 super draws 125watt under full load

[pale quartz]

intel has never cared about consumption

neither do most desktop SKU buyers

performance trumps all, even if that causes a 80% incline in single core draws

AMD will follow the same route with Zen 4 AM4 has always been artificially hamstrung unnecessarily

[fair coyote]

Anyone still suffering low fps in 2042? 5600x 3090 getting only 70 80 fps, 2k medium, thought they fix it

[quick locust]

2K is 1080p

https://tenor.com/view/cheems-bonk-doge-celestev69-gif-24399197

[midnight crypt]

your poor 3090 is paired up with a shit cpu

[quick locust]

He should get more though I get the same with worse specs

[pearl imp]

Isn't 2k 1440p?

[quick locust]

No it's 2048x1080

With 1920x1080 being closest obviously

[pearl imp]

Pretty sure it's 1440p cuz I looked it up and multiple sources said it's 1440

[quick locust]

They're wrong, been talking about it some times here

[pearl imp]

Well idk who to believe then

[pearl imp]

Ok well I guess I was lied to then

[pearl imp]

Why would they even make that a resolution lmao

It's so close to 1920x1080 is there even a noticeable difference?

[quick locust]

Cause theyre for cinemas

Which use slightly different aspect ratios

[midnight crypt]

2k is just a marketing term for 1440p

which is obviously inaccurate

[quick locust]

Yeah its used erroneously

[quick locust]

Enable it in settings in supported games

It renders at lower resolution then upscales it using the tensor cores in the card

The performance to quality presets for it just sets the render resolution

It's to help you get more fps by rendering at lower resolution while trying to minimise visual impact

[storm osprey]

at 1080p dlss is almost useless, its mainly for 4k but there are benefits for 1440p

[molten flame]

DLSS/FSR is useful for 1080p ray-tracing

[storm osprey]

isnt the only resolution available to upscale from 720p? at that point youre getting a fairly shoddy image from that upscaling

[pale quartz]

that's intended

unless you are running an ultra powerful processor DLSS will actually cause a regression in your framerate

[pale quartz]

[pale quartz]

upgrade to the x3d if you want to solve your problems

[storm osprey]

wouldnt it more accurately be "unless you are running a horrible cpu the difference are negligible"? also REALLY depends on resolution.

[pale quartz]

best to keep it off then

[pale quartz]

not exactly, DLSS assists with GPU bound situations, but they are cache bound with 2042

it's extra step in the render pipeline as it isn't actually helping has a drop to the actual runtime of the game

is it perceivable? probably not, but it is a penalty nonetheless

[molten flame]

It's funny because every youtuber will have a 12900K or 5800X3D for DLSS/FSR benchmarks and they don't really ever consider mid-range CPUs for these tests

[quick locust]

My ultra powerful 8700K

[molten flame]

[toxic wigeon]

It's crazy to see what the I9 12k can do.

It's not surprising but God damn.

Even on ddr4.

[molten flame]

Using DDR4 with LGA1700 socket is a major dead-end

You'd be better off using AM4 imo

DDR5 is a must for 13th gen especially the unlocked SKUs

[quick locust]

Am5 is ddr5 too so no way around it soon

[toxic wigeon]

I'm aware that 13k needs ddr5 too.

This time the move is real.

Higher end 13k.

[molten flame]

DDR4 will be fine for the budget CPUs like i5-13400 or lower

But 13600K and up gonna need DDR5

[pale quartz]

the 12900k is already a DDR5 machine

[molten flame]

Yeah lol

[pale quartz]

uplift is around 7% over DDR4 (already) no brainer

[quick locust]

12900KS lul

[toxic wigeon]

I do wonder if they'll still support ddr4 in 14k.

Or properly move on.

Most likely move on because you need a decent frequency anyways.

[pale quartz]

MTL is DDR5 only no support for ddr4

DDR4 for all intensive purposes technologically is pretty shit

[molten flame]

DDR5 is technically dual-channel per DIMM

[pale quartz]

it isnt

that whole thing was never true

it splits the data but it doesn't mean it's doubling the data rate

the IMC will never recognise it as such either

[molten flame]

DDR5 prices go up again when AM5 lands because adoption

[quick locust]

Ya otherwise you'd have a problem lol

[pale quartz]

quad channel

[quick locust]

Quad channel but cpu is dual only so thanks for buying ddr5 but with half bandwidth

[pale quartz]

whole lotta people saying they've got 4x the data rate then oh no my OS corrupted what happened grr bad windows

[molten flame]

Quad-channel memory for iGPU

[pale quartz]

terrible idea

[quick locust]

Just put HBM2 on die like 8809G

[pale quartz]

what people don't get about different channel rate is, it's actually worse for consumer processors

they see higher number = better even when the penalty they're giving up is 500+ MHz on the clock rate

"BUT ITS HIGHER" =

[molten flame]

eDRAM or V-cache for iGPUs then

[quick locust]

GDDR5 higher bandwidth clearly better

[molten flame]

Ryzen 4700S with GDDR6

[quick locust]

Yup

[molten flame]

Memory latency is more of a problem for performance than the low clockspeeds lol

[pale quartz]

which increases with a lower clock rate

[molten flame]

i5-13400/13500/13600 will have E-cores, unlike the current 12400/12500/12600

13400 has 6P+4E cores while 13500/13600 have 6P+8E

[toxic wigeon]

E as in extra?

Or what?

What are p and e cores.

[storm osprey]

performance and efficiency

[toxic wigeon]

Ahhh.

[errant path]

Why is Battlefield V Stuck on installing 56% (Ingame screen) when launched from Origin?

[digital hill]

Man I got a lot of stuff to try to sell from my cousin for 50/50 split but the issue is, almost all of it is junk

rc car and its remote(so much corrosion I'm surprised it still works after some alcohol cleaning), the rc car itself is working but uhh it is a bit broken, some wheel parts are broken and it might have been superglued together before

Then a flight remote, nothing on the internet so I'm calling it junk

I do got a 4tb external drive, though I dunno if it got malware

3 busniess extenders, might work and are worth 20 each and I got 3

but at the same time hard to sell

[molten flame]

e-waste

[quick locust]

So I heard you guys like multi core

[sour goblet]

I have LED balls, real tech there

[prime jasper]

Hello, Battlefield 5 randomly closes itself, no crash, no error message, has anyone experienced this? if so how did you solve it?

[midnight crypt]

Cool story

take it up with EA support

[prime jasper]

What would be best tool to stress gpu to see if its dying

[molten flame]

Furmark probably

Even though doesn't really stress the VRAM

[terse glade]

playing any intense GPU heavy game would be my guess

or just play apex on everything to maximum and disable vsync

something like that

idk

[dry pike]

Depends on what you stress test. Furmark should be fine for a 100% regular gpu usage and heat load

[prime jasper]

That's the thing. Im not sure what is causing problems with the gpu. It ran fine 10 minutes of AMD build in stress test

So it's likely related to 3d stuff

Maybe VRAM

It's not crashing on desktop usage

[molten flame]

depends on AMD GPU too, RDNA1 architecture seems to have more bugs than RDNA2/Polaris/Vega, especially when you go on reddit or LTT forums, you see so many users with an RX 5000 series GPU with driver problems, whereas RX 6000 series issues are much less common

[prime jasper]

Yes but it's unlikely it's a driver issue as i have gone trough 3 drivers now and it was fine before all this time (2 years) it's 5700XT

But i wanna make sure before sending it for RMA as it still has year of warranty

So i need it to crash on something

[molten flame]

some people purposely kill their hardware and send it in for RMA

most of the time a company can't figure out that you kill something by overclocking it

[prime jasper]

yeah but i won't even get much from warranty

kill your gpu on purpose and send it RMA is only losing these days

[molten flame]

warranty should grant you another 5700XT, or even a successor like 6700XT

[prime jasper]

thats not how it works

[molten flame]

my friend had a GTX 980Ti die on him and he got a 1080Ti for replacement

but that's because the 980Ti was out of production

[prime jasper]

cant get 5700xt anymore and they wont give something that costs double

so i probably get discount for the store

[molten flame]

6700XT here is about $410-440

[prime jasper]

600-800€

[molten flame]

lmfao 5700Xt is more expensive than 6700XT atm

[prime jasper]

doesnt matter

all of them are used at this point and not retail

[molten flame]

who is the third party manufacturer of your 5700XT?

[prime jasper]

the anti consumer gigabyte

[molten flame]

oh fuck

yeah gigashit fucked me over many times with customer service

[prime jasper]

but the RMA goes to pc store where i bought it

[molten flame]

ah good deal

[prime jasper]

it's almost exactly 2 years old now. almost everything breaks after 2 years now

[molten flame]

GPU should really work for a decade tbh

All my old GPUs still work

[prime jasper]

They rarely do

[prime jasper]

Is precision-guided firearm a real life self-aiming weapon akin to the smart pistol from Titanfall?

[pale quartz]

no lol

[prime jasper]

Ah ok thanks for telling me

[limber blade]

Mine got 8y before death it was an gtx690 (first attempt for 2 gpu on same card) commonly know to crash between 1 or 2 year… I have downclocked cuz I was aware of the bad concept… still was worth the price with around 17k hours of use in it

[cosmic warren]

Everytime I launch BFV Cold boot. It always freezes and crashes. But then I can just continue playing lol?

[pale quartz]

read the channel description

[cosmic warren]

Bro I knowI

I just complain about that.

No solution obviously.

[dry pike]

Got new keyboard for productivity. I like it so gonna be modding this keyboard a bit which I have not done before. Should be interesting.

[storm osprey]

hell yea

what mods you gonna do?

[dry pike]

First thing is tapemodding the backside of the PBC, band-aid modding the stabilizers and adding some sound dampening foam to the bottom. So all the relatively easy stuff.

If I still feel like more I will go for phase 2 which will be lubing + and o rings

[storm osprey]

depending on your switches films could help a lot too

[dry pike]

Oh, seems good too, might be a phase 2 thing too

[storm osprey]

yea if youre taking apart your switches for lubing in phase 2 i would add films then

personally i dont like o rings either, they only reduce sound when bottoming out, not topping out, and they make your switches a bit squishy

if youre after silence ideally you would get silen switches

rubber top and bottom on switch stems

[dry pike]

Have browns on here atm.
But its a hotswap PCB so if I get into this keyboard thing I can look into new switches for phase 3 😄

[storm osprey]

i use silent browns for my work keyboard, fairly cheap

you can bypass some work and extra costs by getting nice switches

[molten coral]

Silent alpaca switches

[storm osprey]

if youre after a bump and silence the best out are gazzew boba u4 switches

boba u4 basically dont need to be lubed and/or filmed

so just make phase 4 "buy boba u4 switches" xD

[dry pike]

Don't think I need complete silence, but a more deep pleasant sound is the immediate goal

What do they call it, thocc?

[molten coral]

Yes thocc

[dry pike]

Never really tried it, so I figure I might as well give it a go. If I don't like it I can always remove them fairly easy

And then I know.

[storm osprey]

unfortunately thats the gist of keyboards in general, you can go deep into a rabbit hole

[dry pike]

Hence the phases 😄
Dunno if I want to go past the first phase.

[storm osprey]

its uh.. an internal dilemma

personally i cant fathom spending more than 150 on a single keyboard, and even THAT is a big entry for most people

like... it literally does the intended function that a 10 dollar membrane keyboard does

[dry pike]

And that is fine if you don't spend much time behind a computer. If it is what you do all day I think it is more than justified spending a bit.

[storm osprey]

yea thats where the internal dilemma comes in, theres no logical reason behind how much you should spend on a board is what im saying

[short pawn]

why when installing DX at the end it says "install is now complete try again" but then on the DX download screen it says that DX is ready to use

[quick locust]

2TB deck

[coarse nimbus]

Smh that's clearly a 1.8tb drive

[toxic wigeon]

False advertising.

[molten flame]

Nice deck pic

[jagged ether]

where do i ask for technical help?

[toxic wigeon]

For what specifically?

If it's in reference for the games with in game issues, The EA forums might be your best bet.
If it's in reference to how your hardware handles with the game ask away here.

[dry pike]

!!support

[silent oasis]

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[wispy panther]

bro can anyone on the planet help me with my 2042 crashes

i have tried literally everything and nothing has made nany progress whatsoever

after about 10 minutes of playtime every time i get a 100% gpu spike and the game crashes

[storm osprey]

this isnt tech support, but we can try to help anyway

[wispy panther]

a lot of the time i dont even get error messages, but when i do i get directx get device removed

i know it isnt but ea will 100% not help me

[storm osprey]

go to: try different driver

[wispy panther]

all i wanna do is play the game

[storm osprey]

verify file

[wispy panther]

tried that

and different driver do u mean do a rollback

or smth else

[storm osprey]

yea go back, forward, something

[wispy panther]

i tried didnt work

i tried clean gpu, clean windows, clean game download, fucking with settings, disabling overlays, verify files, windows file checker, nothing

i fixed it for a while by running the game as admin but the errors came back

[storm osprey]

specs?

[wispy panther]

3060ti i1170k

11700k

[storm osprey]

psu model?

[wispy panther]

lemme check i dont know tbh

[storm osprey]

nvm ignore that, that doesnt make sense

i was wondering if you were tripping your OCP but that wouldnt give you a directx warning

[wispy panther]

i think 2042 is just unplayable for me bruh i've been trying to fix this for weeks

none of my other games have this issue

[storm osprey]

might be a bit literal and cheesy but reseat the gpu xD

[wispy panther]

i mean ig

every other problem with this game is just turn off and on maybe that'll work lmao

[glacial moss]

Wait so should I get the 64GB version and just upgrade my SSD later?
A couple days ago I put a deposit down for the 256GB model but I can always cancel lol

[storm osprey]

there are upgrades outside just the storage

iirc the 256 is nvme and the highest tier even comes with a better screen

[molten flame]

64GB model has eMMC, a small soldered chip for storage, kinda like a smartphone

[lofty light]

Emmc is still replaceable and not soldered on

[lofty light]

Damn GG on getting one of those 2TB SSDs

Those things are rarer than hens teeth

[lofty light]

Just had my 1TB drive delivered yesterday in prep for my deck

[quick locust]

Not mine but pretty cool with people changing it

Iirc this is a pre production WD one

[lofty light]

Oh damn

Only 2TB drive I've seen in the wild is the micron one, and those are suuuuuuper scalped

[steep steppe]

Can i play 2042 on my ps2?

[lofty light]

[thin lintel]

[quick locust]

Yeah and around 400 usd msrp i think

The WD will be 300 but might get scalped too

[quick locust]

If you can get it running on an ancient console with 32MB ram I'd be impressed

2042 but in ascii graphics

[tropic field]

I remember seeing a video of a guy installing Linux on a PS2

What's stopping you from installing windows then getting 2042

[quick locust]

Linux install for it was an official one

[sweet cloak]

guys looking to upgrade my pc just a little form my 1060 looking at a rx6600 and then 32GB ddd4 any one running this if so any good

[molten flame]

not really a 'little' upgrade. RX 6600 should have double the performance of GTX 1060 and similar power consumption

[sweet cloak]

that what i like to hear, most of my mates want witht he 260 but the not over price one wont fit in my case and the 6600 seem about the same

[molten flame]

you will need to use an app called Display Driver Uninstaller since you are going from Nvidia to AMD

but only when you get ready to install new GPU

[sweet cloak]

yeah had to do it when i change form intel to nivda in a old pc

[prime jasper]

Is there a PC exepert here in the group, I would like to ask for your help.

[sweet cloak]

may not be a pc expert but may be offer advice what up

[prime jasper]

I need help with BIOS.

[sweet cloak]

what up

[prime jasper]

Can I DM you?

[sweet cloak]

sure

[storm osprey]

could just post your problem here and hope someone sees it and can help

but i suggest buying new hardware

[prime jasper]

The freeze is not hardware related.

[storm osprey]

thats the joke

[prime jasper]

The guy has 3070ti and i7 11th and he has the same problem

and he has 3x better pc than mine.

[terse glade]

And bf2042 even ain't looking that good ironically lol

Compared to bf5

[molten flame]

11th gen i7 will have pretty bad performance in BF2042, especially compared to 12th gen and Ryzen 5000

11th gen is worse than 10th gen

[prime jasper]

The I7 11700k still better than mine...

[fickle mantle]

Does anyone know how to fix this directx error?
https://gyazo.com/5159ccc1220c40bab5a81edd76640c1e

[prime jasper]

You have old DirectX installed on your PC.

But don't expect too much from Battlefield, the game is full of bugs and errors.

[prime jasper]

i hav a idea

tanks that can fly

https://tenor.com/view/bean-battlefield-v-ww2-gif-14791581

why.

[pale quartz]

this isn't a directX error, you are trying to load an old shader cache from the game, wipe it from the game's directory to fix the issue

[proud trellis]

https://youtu.be/6_SPs3pXsLk

B-R-U-H

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-qT2D5wDD0&ab_channel=ServeTheHome

[molten flame]

Overkill?

[quick locust]

for home use sure

small commercial no

[molten flame]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-ceo-jensen-huang-to-keynote-at-gtc-2022-on-september-20

September 20th for RTX 4000 announcement

[brave path]

I though it October now im confused

[molten flame]

October for launch

[brave path]

so it September 20th any idea for the mobile version

[molten flame]

January is likely

[brave path]

im looking forward to replace my gaming laptop for rtx 40 series and also what about 13th gen intel

more likely to get the i7 13700h

[molten flame]

13th gen is really just increased clocks and more E-cores

[brave path]

any idea it releasing I saw a new on Microsoft edge

[molten flame]

September 27th for 13th gen announcement

[brave path]

or does rtx 40 series laptop only come with new gpu while the cpu is latest 12th gen

[pale quartz]

rtx 40 is an inefficient mess on laptops

[molten flame]

no doubt lol

[brave path]

the highest spec game I ever seen was bf2042 I don’t think there other game requires 30 series graphic

[pale quartz]

if you're on laptop keep your battery life and get Rembrandt/RDNA3

there's 0 reason to get rtx 40 you're wasting your time money and power

[brave path]

there eco mode u can disable the gpu I got a amd laptop

and it last 11 hours

[pale quartz]

eco mode doesn't disable the GPU it just keeps it in standby

MUX switches have been around for a while now

[brave path]

it turn of the mux switch so I put eco mode

on the software which use igpu

dgpu when I restart my system for gaming

[pale quartz]

you shouldn't need to switch off the graphics card lol

[brave path]

gaming is mostly last around 1-2 hours

for amd it pretty close to 2 hours I think for intel maybe a hour but looking forward to get intel cuz I just game that all I don’t do anything much just gaming most of the time

[pale quartz]

I can assure you it definitely isn't 2 hours

multiply that by 2-3x

Rembrandt is leagues ahead of any other GPU product for efficiency

[molten flame]

wonder if there will be 4nm RDNA3 for mobile

[brave path]

So the amd Radeon graphic

[brave path]

Rdna3 is that amd Radeon graphic

[pale quartz]

yes

[molten flame]

next gen

[brave path]

idk much about amd graphic

except I know nvidia

[pale quartz]

there's nothing different you're just saving your battery power

tldr

[brave path]

Im am gonna replace my laptop for the Aorus since Gigabyte, Alienware , MSI mostly use intel for their gaming laptop most of their model product

[molten flame]

there's a new rumor going around that RTX 4000 will be able to accelerate DLSS with the ray-tracing cores

[pale quartz]

it's false

[short pawn]

Help I uninstalled my driver now my screen randomly flashes on specific windows and it won't show on the monitor

[pale quartz]

..

that's what uninstalling it does

[short pawn]

No after

Using ddu

Pc restart

Cant get past boot

Ok nvm my hdmi was just loose

[marsh gull]

its always the most basic of problems that you forget to check while troubleshooting

[prime jasper]

Hello!

If anyone has a Black Screen or Freeze issue with Battlefield 2042, then read my post below, I fixed it with these steps.

⚠️ These are Potential Fix, it may not work for everyone!

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Battlefield-2024-Black-Screen-amp-Freeze-at-Stand-By-Screen/m-p/11772814#M30133

[sharp mirage]

can i play battlefield v with a intel core i5-4670 cpu?

[willow lion]

Has someone else also problems with "random" shutdowns when playing battlefield? I have an AMD Ryzen 7 3700X and AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT.

[molten flame]

probably 5700 XT issue

or even power supply issue

[prime jasper]

GPU? RAM?

[sharp mirage]

8 GB ram DDR4 and gtx 775?

[prime jasper]

That's nearly impossible.

[sharp mirage]

Ok I'm gonna go buy battlefield 1 then

I can run that fine

[prime jasper]

How many VRAM?

[prime jasper]

If you have good Internet then you can play via GeFroce Now.

[sharp mirage]

I already tried battlefield 1 before it works fine

[sharp mirage]

yeah true

[prime jasper]

I have I7 7700k 16 GB RAM and RX 580 8 GB OC and the game stutters.

[sharp mirage]

Battlefield 1?

[prime jasper]

No BF 2042.

[sharp mirage]

why are you playing that

[prime jasper]

Because I bought and I can't refund the game.

[sharp mirage]

dang

Why not buy from cd keys

[prime jasper]

I don't buy from grey market.

[sharp mirage]

What's grey market

[prime jasper]

what you wrote.

[sharp mirage]

I know but why not

[sly laurel]

old pc ?

[sly laurel]

not impossible

gonna take alot of low spec modding

ive seen alot of people run it on alot worse hardware

[marsh gull]

no

[marsh gull]

ye bf1 just crashes for no reason pretty regularily

and i also have a full amd system same as you

[prime jasper]

The GPU is perfect.

[prime jasper]

No, new.

[sly laurel]

you got scammed

[prime jasper]

No, BF 2042 runs fine it only stutters when dc is opened

[quick locust]

https://youtu.be/vm4o2xChJgU

[pale quartz]

@hollow plover just so we are clear, and I will tell you this once, ping is a one way latency measurement, now, you can stop googling stuff because you clearly don't know how networking operates, and listen to what I'm saying

[hollow plover]

You can have one-way latency measurement and round-trip latency (i.e both directions). That’s what the ping utility does - both direction. Otherwise, if icmp is not allowed on a host why do you have a packet loss?

[pale quartz]

no, it doesn't, allow me to spell it out, consoles perform a server only ping request, they do not measure the round trip from the server

[hollow plover]

Oh my god, you really don't know what you are talking about. The ICMP protocol relies on the host's reply to which the Echo Request (literally in the protocol name) is addressed. If you don't believe me open the ICMP protocol specification RFC 792 and be done with the bias.

[pale quartz]

lol you realise the consoles don't use the ICMP protocol?

the only implementation they have for ICMP is with measuring bandwidth, they do not use it for ping tests

please listen for once

[hollow plover]

I don't care, the discussion initially began because I said I can get latency of 1ms over WIFI. Doesn't change the fact that If I connect a console, instead of my PC i'll still have the same latency.

[pale quartz]

the discussion was about the consoles

please learn to focus on topics

[hollow plover]

No, ping tells you nothing about the bandwidth, it just measures latency. Measuring bandwidth is best done by a dedicated test, i.e. transferring a bunch of bits and measuring how long time it takes.

[pale quartz]

yeah.. how do you think.. the host is able to measure the bandwidth.. to begin with

come on man this is basic networking

[hollow plover]

Doesn't change the fact that ping i.e ICMP is used to measure latency.

[pale quartz]

the consoles perform a ICMP request to find the host and ensure its reachable before transferring traffic

this is common knowledge

Google cant help you when you deviate off a cliff from what people are talking about, remember that for next time

[hollow plover]

How would it find a host is reachable (if it is one way) unless the host replies back to the ping?

Not sure who's deviating off a cliff

[pale quartz]

because the response is server side lol

it's not client side

not everything is about you, and this topic didn't begin with you either

[hollow plover]

so it interferes on a quantum level. got it. lmfao

[pale quartz]

what

server.. side..

[hollow plover]

icmp (ping as per RFC) literally relies on a echo request and a reply. Consoles either are using something else instead of ping or you don't know what you are talking about.

[pale quartz]

thank fuck you finally read from what I said from the beginning! the consoles don't use ICMP for its ping!

[hollow plover]

So how does it change the initial discussion where you said ping cannot be used for latency measurement?

[pale quartz]

they are custom!

[hollow plover]

I said i get 1ms on my PC and you said ping cannot be used to measure latency. You get where i'm coming from with this right?

[pale quartz]

because ping requests can't be used for measuring latency to an end server on the consoles, and yes, but this was never about pc

for PC it's perfectly fine, on the consoles it isnt

the user in question was on console

[hollow plover]

if i get 1ms latency on pc with the 5ghz ac (i.e. 802.11ac). I can get it with a console (on the same network) since consoles support that standard. Now shut up and go lick your wounds

[pale quartz]

pc? you mean comparing 2 non comparable things?

for one your NIC is far better than the consoles lol

and second, don't go in a hissy fit because you forgot about why the topic started

[hollow plover]

I gotta go for a while. no hard feelings man, if you got something to say go ahead and i'll get back to you later.

[pale quartz]

I don't have anything else to say, just take it on board

[hollow plover]

You can literally check how much mbps console nics support. Which brings us back to our initial discussion. Wifi can have sufficient enough latency and bandwidth for competitive gaming on consoles

[pale quartz]

..

[grim abyss]

Is my network card fucked? Lag spikes galore.

[hollow plover]

To identify if the issues with your internal network (which may include Network Adapter) or external for instance your ISP. Try pinging your router.

[hollow plover]

To test:

1. open start menu
2. search for CMD (command prompt) and open it
3. type the following command inside the terminal: ipconfig
4. Note the field: "Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :" it should contain an IP Address, copy it or memorize it. Further notes: you may have multiple network adapters in there, identify which one is used for your internet connection.
5. Write ping x.x.x.x -l 1472 (note x.x.x.x should be replaced with your default gateway IP address)

[grim abyss]

Got it, I’ll give this a look later. Thanks!

[molten flame]

Manufacturing of a singular CCD Zen 4 CPU such as 7600X/7700X costs more to make than a dual-CCD Zen 3 CPU like the 5900X/5950X

5nm+6nm vs 7nm+12nm

[pale quartz]

yup thats normal half CCDs have split cache aswell instead of a unified cache entry = cheaper

[pale quartz]

NIC and driver revision?

[grim abyss]

Update on the above....upon further investigation, appears to just be shitty university wifi being unstable. I've connected to another network outside my dorm and the lag spikes are gone after performing a similar test to the above. Further investigation needed on my end, thanks for the help @hollow plover and @pale quartz

[merry wagon]

Get 32GB of ram

[prime jasper]

Can someone help me why my resolution keep resetting?

[sly laurel]

7th gen intel with an old gpu

most likely used

if you paid anything more then 500 for it you got scammed

[prime jasper]

It's old, but it can still run the games, I have a stable 75 fps on Medium Low settings (FPS limited)

[prime jasper]

I payed 150$ for my whole pc. (New Components)

Obviously, Battlefield 2042 is not that well optimized yet, but I hope that optimizations and fixes will come soon.

This is also how Battlefield V started when it was released.

[sly laurel]

upgraded old pc ?

[prime jasper]

No.

The GPU is not that old, like the GTX 1060, 1070, 1080

[sly laurel]

why did you go for 7th gen intel

[prime jasper]

I wanted I7 10th gen or 11th gen, but unfortunately I didn't have the money for that anymore, you know it also depends on the country because the prices are not the same. Also, the opportunity to earn money.

[sly laurel]

yeah i gotchu

im from indonesia

10th and 11th gen ryzen tho

intel 10th and 11th shit

[prime jasper]

Why?

[sly laurel]

intel 10th gen performed alot worse then ryzen especially in mid range

with the ryzen 3600

11th gen was just 10th but worse

with only very minor changes that just made it hotter

intel got their shit together in 12th gen tho

[storm osprey]

There was like a 10% increase for 5600x over 10600k. Not really “a lot worse”

No I wouldn’t suggest 10600k at any point over the 5600x either for various reasons but the performance difference isn’t drastic

[sly laurel]

5600 released in 2022 for 200$ lol

and is latest ryzen gen

10600k released in 2020 for 260$

something comparable to the 10600k would be the ryzen 3700x

and i would still put ryzen over intel then

the performance different between the two is pretty considerable

for 12th gen intel on top for me tho

but 10th and 11th ryzen i would still put higher

[wide swan]

So when I try to move my mouse in any battlefield game and only in battlefield games, it is like very sluggish and lags behind a lot but then randomly speeds up making it very difficult to control

[prime jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJhM2dEZoVk

[wide swan]

Thanks

[storm osprey]

What does this have to do with 10600k at launch vs 5600x at launch?

[sly laurel]

because why tf would you go for 10th gen intel in 2022

unless you can pick it up for a cheap price

[storm osprey]

… no one so why even bring it up?

[sly laurel]

i just asked why the guy went for the i7 7700k for a new build

and then he said he wanted to go for 10th and 11th gen

[storm osprey]

Ok? Still don’t see how that turns into saying 10th gen and 11th gen we’re a lot worse in performance when they weren’t.

[sly laurel]

why would you compare ryzen 5600 to 10600k anyways

[prime jasper]

I already said.

[sly laurel]

compared to ryzen in low to mid range they were still pretty bad

[storm osprey]

No one did…

[prime jasper]

No money for I7 10th.

Too expensive New & Used.

But BF 2042 very CPU Intensive

But I don't know why I can run BF V on Ultra settings with 100 fps

[storm osprey]

If you say old cpu was shit compared to the alternative brand you would reasonably go to the cpu that released around the same time around the same price. Which is exactly what I did.

[prime jasper]

Who said that old CPU was shit?

[storm osprey]

No clue why you’re jumping on the 5600 like anyone else brought that up

[sly laurel]

tf

[sly laurel]

.

[storm osprey]

Literally says 5600x and not 5600…

[sly laurel]

reddit moment

[storm osprey]

You do know the 5600x and 10600k launched right next to each other at roughly the same price right?

[prime jasper]

I5 10600k?

[storm osprey]

Yes. Which was intel’s 10th mid range cpu…

Which spoon said performed a lot worse than amds mid range, which would be the 5600x. Which the 5600x was 10% better. Far from “a lot worse”

[prime jasper]

Ryzen 5600x is only slightly better than the i5 10600k

[sly laurel]

yeah but those two arent even comparable

[storm osprey]

Exactly. Why I called out that statement.

[sly laurel]

yes but the 5600x and the 10600k are from different gens

[storm osprey]

Wtf are you talking about? They are directly comparable.

[sly laurel]

those two are not comparable tf

they released 2 years apart

[storm osprey]

….

[sly laurel]

from 2 different generations

[storm osprey]

No they did not

[prime jasper]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X/4072vs4084

[sly laurel]

10600k released in 2020, 5600x released in 2022

they arent even from the same generation anymore

[prime jasper]

2020*

[storm osprey]

My god no it didn’t….

5600 NON x is a different cpu

Dude talks about performance and he doesn’t even know the difference between 5600x and 5600

[sly laurel]

yeah even then both have a 50$ price difference

there is almost no performance difference between the two tf

[storm osprey]

No there isn’t. But there is a year and a half difference between launches. Which again puts 5600x squarely against the 10600k

[sly laurel]

yes but both have a 50$ price difference

if there is little performance difference between the two

[prime jasper]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4084vsm1822932

[sly laurel]

50$ is huge

[storm osprey]

5600x was more expensive than 10600k Msrp

[sly laurel]

5600x was 200$

10600k was 260

[storm osprey]

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

5600x launch was 300 wtf

You literally have no clue what you’re talking about, I suggest stopping now

[toxic wigeon]

The 5000x series came out at 2020, Correct?

[storm osprey]

Yes

Dude is mixing up 5600x and 5600

[prime jasper]

Nothing

[storm osprey]

Dude has me looking up launch videos on YouTube and taking pictures on my phone.

[prime jasper]

😂

[storm osprey]

Almost everything he has said has been absolutely wrong it’s insane.

[lofty light]

Also I wouldn't look at user benchmark ever, and ESPECIALLY for AMD vs Intel

They have a known bias for Intel

Instead look at a gamers Nexus review and worship tech Jesus with us

[storm osprey]

Gamers nexus and hardware unboxed based.

[toxic wigeon]

Didn't the dude for user bench mark have a mental breakdown over the 5800x3d?

[prime jasper]

Can someone help me with BF 2042?

[thin lintel]

I had bf4 freeze on me then since I haven’t been able to boot windows. Can someone help I want to be on when season 2 starts

[quick locust]

Those are two different games

[quick locust]

Yeah iirc

[pale quartz]

that intel fanboy wouldn't have had it any other way

[halcyon venture]

🤓

[pale quartz]

?

[halcyon venture]

🤓

[pale quartz]

uh.. k

[mild bough]

what cpu should i get, need a new one

[quick locust]

Depends on budget and usage

[crystal haven]

I am in need for a new pc as of recently my laptop died so I am willing to know what hardware is good for the resolution

[storm osprey]

we would need to know the resolution and budget.. and use case

[remote dirge]

why is there no invert x axis option? for some reason my x axis is inverted and its been unplayable for months. in battlefield 1

[molten flame]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/298295/latest-ryzen-9-7950x-cpu-z-bench-multithreaded-score-puts-it-8-behind-i9-13900k-33-ahead-of-i9-12900k%3Famp

Ryzen 9 7950X just 8% slower than i9-13900K in multithreading in CPU-Z test

16 cores vs 24 cores

[toxic wigeon]

@crystal haven We need a resolution and a budget.

[quick locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-PrKVKfa2Y&ab_channel=ServeTheHome

[molten flame]

Need one with 6800U

[pale quartz]

there shows over