battlefield-legacy-titles

[robust mango]

The genre sandbox or the game?

[solid hinge]

The genre he means

[robust mango]

There was a mod for BF2 called Sandbox

[solid hinge]

Never heard sandbox genre

[tawny saddle]

You can't revive someone who got run over with a syringe

[robust mango]

Oh yeah sandbox shooters are basically creativity shooters

[solid hinge]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Games that have massive maps and freedom of approach

[robust mango]

Like the idea that you can essentially complete multiple tasks different ways

[solid hinge]

Really so like open world

[robust mango]

Nah

[modern marsh]

Not really

[robust mango]

Open world is basically where the world itself is seamless

You can go anywhere

BF still has maps

[solid hinge]

Most famous sandbox game:- Minecraft

[robust mango]

I’ll give you an example

Take destroying a vehicle in BF

[solid hinge]

Its like rainbow six siege

Game is destructable

[robust mango]

I can use a AT grenade a mine, a rocket, a kamikaze, I can drop a building on it, I can strap C4 to a jeep and launch the jeep at the tank etc

[solid hinge]

I can take you out anywhere

[robust mango]

Multiple ways, same outcome

[modern marsh]

Just found out you can use the lunge mine on support, my life has changed

[robust mango]

BF allows for creativity when approaching an area, completing an openly and killing targets

And the map also alters

Based on decisions made and the time at which an action is done

This basically a sandbox shooter

Realism is part of BF’s systems but it’s not inherently any super core aspect

It’s roughly just an aspect

[solid hinge]

Decision shooting sf do it all the time

[robust mango]

Very true

Battlefield has found kind of a perfect balance in what it tries to be

I think every single new battlefield it’s not that they do something different it’s just that they flesh out and test new mechanics and animations to upgrade what they already have

They look at what they have and just say, how do we make X feel more engaging and how does it effect Y and Z when we do it

[modern marsh]

Yea basically

[robust mango]

Like even as simple as getting in tanks

They added animations to make it more engaging

And make the battlefield itself feel more immersive

[modern marsh]

It also made getting in and out of the tank more of a risk which is a good thing imo

[robust mango]

Same thing with revives, they added in squad revives to emphasize team work and added in animations to add risk and reward to medic on who you revive etc

[modern marsh]

The changes made to tanks and planes in BFV made them actually barable to fight against

That was my big issue with BF1

[robust mango]

Imagine a modern battlefield with built on mechanics to BFVs. In the sense of animations and movement

[modern marsh]

That's what I'm excited for with BF6

[solid hinge]

God damn it

[robust mango]

They’re most likely going to just take the flaws of V, toss or fix them, and build up on previous mechanics of 5

Which has me excited

[solid hinge]

There something similar on ps4 bf4

Dice did make a a tweet, but about random shit

With manual lean

Meh this method don't work

[robust mango]

Yeah

[modern marsh]

BFV has manual lean

[robust mango]

^

It’s actually not always used as much but it’s very useful

[errant veldt]

i just realised Klikard is a mod now

[solid hinge]

In bf4 on ps4 use motion sensor

[errant veldt]

that's actually pretty cool

[solid hinge]

To manual lean

[modern marsh]

Yea I hate the motion sensor stuff

[narrow drift]

BF5 seems to have gotten suddenly more difficult

[modern marsh]

I move too much and I don't like tilting my controller

[solid hinge]

If you get used to it your unbeatable

[narrow drift]

im getting put with players with higher K/Ds so soon

[robust mango]

Im going to be very happy if BF6 is just an upgraded and refined BFV in a different setting

[errant veldt]

i mean i met a level 420+ today

and he wasn't that great lol

[solid hinge]

Bf5 is not perfect but it changes a lot of shitty things

[solid hinge]

Lol

[errant veldt]

i hope it's more and less bf4 but better in every way lol

[narrow drift]

idk maybe im just tryna play too aggresivly

[robust mango]

Oh yeah BFV was far from perfect but it’s a great game

[solid hinge]

And add some other shitty things as well

[robust mango]

It gets a ton of hate for just existing sadly

[modern marsh]

BFV made some of the most significant changes to the series in awhile

[errant veldt]

there's not a game that's perfect

my brain shut off there

[modern marsh]

Honestly I hope they keep solider cosmetics for BF6 because I'm a sucker for customization in video games lol

[solid hinge]

I already know what to expect in bf6

[errant veldt]

i don't really care about cosmetics

[robust mango]

If they made BF6 like BF4 in terms of setting and guns that’s fine. In terms of mechanics I don’t want BF to move backwards, they set the stage with BF1 and V on how they’re advancing their use of animations and mechanics and I don’t want that to change

[errant veldt]

bfv's movement is the best

no cap

[solid hinge]

Thats a nerf

[robust mango]

What’s a nerf

[modern marsh]

BFV has the best movement in the series

[errant veldt]

agreed

[modern marsh]

Going back to BF4 makes me feel like somebody's grandma for a bit

[robust mango]

The movement alone in BFV feels the best

[solid hinge]

Bf6 with bf4 mechanics naw not worth 70 dollars

I don't like planes in bf5

[robust mango]

Yeah I don’t want it to be BF4 mechanics lol

That’s why I said settings and guns

[solid hinge]

I want frostbite 4 capability

Hopefully they change it a bit to BF4

[robust mango]

Because we already know it’s modern

[modern marsh]

They said a BF4 type setting with BFV mechanics

I want something near future though not completely modern day

[solid hinge]

Samething you cant combine to engines at once

[modern marsh]

Like not jetpacks and shit but maybe like 2034 or something

[robust mango]

What are you talking about Elias lol

[solid hinge]

Anybody in game dev tell you that lol

[robust mango]

We are just saying the Setting and guns in the style of BF4

[solid hinge]

The frostbite 4 engine is made

[robust mango]

With the mechanics of 5. Not two engines

You didn’t read what I said I think

[solid hinge]

Bf4 weapons are bloated as fuck

[solid hinge]

Its 8 years old

[modern marsh]

Bring back pistol customization please

[robust mango]

I like customization

[solid hinge]

Like there're 150 weapons in 7 different variants

Onlything take what you have in bf5 but improve it

And you have to unlock them all by doing shitty assignments

[robust mango]

Well that’s because in modern shooters it’s AK variant number 59

And M4 variant number 200

[solid hinge]

Progression like this is the best: You level up, you unlock 2-3 certain guns in a class

[robust mango]

No assignment is worse than BF1. There is not a single BF game that handled unlocks work

[modern marsh]

BFV mastery assignments suck

They should be challenging not tedious

[solid hinge]

Lol

Yeah

First 5 level of a class unlock all base guns, you can buy them with in game currency

7 kills with out dying

Then rest of classes levels unlock gadgets

[modern marsh]

Hopefully this next game's take on the BF theme is good lol

[solid hinge]

DLC weapons are in free tier battle pass and later can be unlocked with in game currency

Bf5 perfected in customization but in another time period

Imagine bf4 with it

[modern marsh]

I hope they keep the specializations feature for the weapons

[solid hinge]

Nah, the attachment system gonna return

[solid hinge]

Maybe not

[modern marsh]

Attachments are cool as well

[solid hinge]

Specialized is attachments kinda

[modern marsh]

Hopefully I don't have to get like 200 kills for a muzzle break though like in BF4

[solid hinge]

Stock/Barrel/Optics/Grips/Magazines

You level up to get the attachments

[solid hinge]

They can do better

Similar to gunsmith in MW

[modern marsh]

I wouldn't mind leveling up specific guns but I hated BF4's way of unlocking attachments

[solid hinge]

Mw gunsmith is mediocre

[solid hinge]

Same

There way better gun smith

Thats subjective though

The wait for BF6 is a struggle for me 😂

You want Insurgency or Escape from Tarkov gun customization?

[solid hinge]

Ww3 on pc and tarvok and ghost recon future soldier has better

[modern marsh]

I'm waiting for both BF6 and dying light 2 and it's pain lol

[solid hinge]

Yes but how many weapons are in that game lol

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[modern marsh]

I don't think these casual shooters need super in depth customization

[solid hinge]

So lol

[modern marsh]

MW's gunsmith system works for a casual shooter whole having gun changing attachments

[rancid lichen]

So we get trailer in june

[solid hinge]

There is like 20 with lots of variants

Bf6 be lame with mw19 gun smith its same attachment repeat holosight nato or russian etc

Yea but its okay

[modern marsh]

Yes

[solid hinge]

To you ok but imo mw19 gunsmith is horrible

Mediocre

[split cave]

Eyy MR leaked company

[solid hinge]

Battlefield doesnt only have guns, there is tanks/planes/helis/boats/airships as well

[echo shell]

Hi i have problem with ping in bf4
Can someone help me?

[robust mango]

I unironically want elite soldiers back but I only want them to be rewards for like getting to rank 40 for chapters. Because I think chapters will come back

[solid hinge]

Tell me something idk lol

[robust mango]

BFV was treated as a live service in terms of gun unlocks etc

[split cave]

I don't think the cinematography is that good TBH

[solid hinge]

If you do a deep guns customization system, it gonna take 4 billion years

[robust mango]

So I think if chapters return I want elite soldiers to return

[modern marsh]

Yea chapters will probably be back since it's a good way to stuff a battle pass in

[robust mango]

Exactly

[solid hinge]

Its videogame lol

[robust mango]

I want a battlepass for BF6

[modern marsh]

I just want them to keep the solider customization from BFV

I enjoy it

[robust mango]

Same

[solid hinge]

You say it right, its a video game

[robust mango]

I liked the customization and elite soldiers and only a few of the skins

Some of the skin themes for BFV were good

[split cave]

That would be great if the live-service worth it

[solid hinge]

So wtf you want escape from tarkov guns customization system

But i want free customization

[robust mango]

BF1 did skins a lot better though

[robust mango]

Yeah I’m sure they have a plan

[solid hinge]

Its videogame to right?

[tidal hawk]

I liked that idea of bf5, many of these ideas were awesome, characters, skins, weapon specializations and customizations, awesome stuff, hope this stays

[robust mango]

Yeah same

[tidal hawk]

Only problem with bf5 imo was the bugs and the atmosphere wasnt very good

The gunplay was fun

[robust mango]

This is the type of stuff that needs to be expanded

[tidal hawk]

The many gun classes were also fun

[solid hinge]

Yea but that shit is just so bloated to the point of boring

[robust mango]

Thats true

[solid hinge]

so basically premium renamed?

[robust mango]

I want BFV medic weapons to be SMGs

[robust mango]

Yea

[modern marsh]

BFV did have free customization to an extent

[solid hinge]

Your extend but mine not so much

[robust mango]

Because essentially premium would just be battlepass

[tidal hawk]

It did fit the medic really well i agree

[modern marsh]

You could buy a good amount of decent outfits with company coins

And the chapter pass things were free so you could earn everything without paying

[robust mango]

Apparently I think the idea is that BF6 will be supported for 6 or so years

3-6 years most likely

[modern marsh]

I hope not tbh

3 years is good

[robust mango]

If it’s a live service it will go on for a while this gen

[solid hinge]

I think its gonna be 2-3 years

[tidal hawk]

I hope yes, if bf5 would have gotten more attention it would be a way better game, it was half assed with great ideas

[robust mango]

I think they wanted longevity for this BF

Though then again

[solid hinge]

The cow cant be milked that long

[robust mango]

They’re releasing it for old console as well

So maybe it won’t be here to stay for super long

But maybe tho because think about it

[modern marsh]

Yea 2-3 years

[robust mango]

After BF6

Dice will work on BF3 most likely

[tidal hawk]

Also, is it confirmed if bf6 is going to be modern warfare?

[solid hinge]

2 years of content, 3 years of support

[tidal hawk]

Vietnam would be sick too ngl

[solid hinge]

I think thats the maximum

[tidal hawk]

They could call it VIetnam

[modern marsh]

We don't know but judging by leaks it's gonna be near future like BF4 was when it came out

[robust mango]

Battlefront 3 has already been concluded to be actually happening so it’s quite possible dice moves onto battlefront 3 while BF6 is going on

[solid hinge]

Ea will lose the lisence in 2 years

Not gonna happen

[robust mango]

They lose the license but they already said they can still make SW games

[solid hinge]

I can see a sequel to fallen order

[robust mango]

They already came out an officially said it

They have multiple projects they said

[solid hinge]

Not a surpise lol they kinda mentioned that last year

But not new battlefront

[robust mango]

They already said it duck

[solid hinge]

They could leave it to respawn

[robust mango]

What Elias just said

Respawn is something they own

And they’re doing fallen order

[solid hinge]

Dice need 3 support studios to work on next bf

[tidal hawk]

Battlefront 2 had the same problem shit as bf5, a good game not so good

[solid hinge]

Many studio making sw

[robust mango]

Dice can still make BF3

It’s just that EA won’t be the only one

Ubisoft has a SW title in the works currently

[solid hinge]

Ubisoft making kotor

So Citerion/Dice LA will make post content

[robust mango]

Massive is working on one too

[solid hinge]

there is only one bf3

Citerion also work on Need for speed

[robust mango]

And they created the division series

Criterion rn is working on BF6 yea

[solid hinge]

DICE making battlefront

I dont see it happening soon

[robust mango]

BF3 probably in the next 2 years

[solid hinge]

Starwars games are up for grabs

[robust mango]

Id imagine

[solid hinge]

Maybe like FY 2024

[robust mango]

Star Wars and lord of the rings rn are coming back

Which is good

Some of the best games done in the ps2 era were those games

[solid hinge]

Lotr on PS2, fun games

Jedi academy

I just want a medal of honor or socom reboot

[tidal hawk]

Atv offroad fury
Duddeeeeeee if that would be released to these consoles id preorded that shit

[solid hinge]

Ill be hype

I have to buy a pc for star wars games back in the day

Since they re xbox exclusive thingy

[tidal hawk]

Fun fact
More soviet soldiers died in world war 2 than jews

[solid hinge]

Fairly obvious

But good fact

[tidal hawk]

And i didnt even include civilians, only soldiers

[past sphinx]

dope

asf

👍

[solid hinge]

Soviets depleted 80% of german soldiers, but lost like 40% of their population

[tidal hawk]

Well i mean, poland lost like 60% so

[granite wyvern]

There is nothing fun about that

[solid hinge]

What classes do u guys play

[tidal hawk]

True

I should just call it a random fact ig

[solid hinge]

On bf5

[errant veldt]

medic

[tidal hawk]

Everything tbh, but mainly support in bf5, cuz of the m30 drilling and the mg42, few of my fav weapons from world war 2

[robust mango]

Yes please

[solid hinge]

More Russians died in WW2 than Germans

I mostly play recon cuz of the krag

[tidal hawk]

And more germans than the brits and muricans combined

[robust mango]

There’s only two answers to the best Medal of Honor games

[solid hinge]

Ok

[granite wyvern]

Medic on most maps, but Support with shotty on Underground and generally switch to Assault if enemy tank causing issues

[robust mango]

Airborne and clearly

[tidal hawk]

Random fact again: On D-Day many german soldiers refused to shoot after the first few minutes because they couldnt take that many deaths mentally

[solid hinge]

Actually more Chinese died in WW2 than Brits and Muricans combined

[robust mango]

Well the Chinese got obliterated by japan

[tidal hawk]

Then again, the beast of ohama killed like 1000 men with an mg42 so like, yea

[solid hinge]

Still less than culture revolution

[tidal hawk]

I always felt like japan was shown much more evil than they were in world war 2, i mean yes they did horrible things, but 1, who didnt, and 2 they had good reasons to start a war

[robust mango]

Japan will always be a victim of it mainly because of Unit 731

And rape of Nanking

[solid hinge]

They caused a famine in the whole South East Asia

[proven charm]

They're rightly shown as evil

[robust mango]

Pretty much

[solid hinge]

And Chinese, thats worse than the holocaust

[proven charm]

they were blinded by power in ww2

[robust mango]

Though in WW2 everyone was pretty evil

[proven charm]

not to the extent of Japan

[tidal hawk]

Sure i mean, not having resources cuz the US literly went there and said "you gon trade with us and you are going to like it" eventually leading to lack of resources doesnt sound very fun

[solid hinge]

4 millons people died in Indochina, 20 millions died in China due to the famine caused by Japan

[proven charm]

But I feel bad for pre axis countries nowadays

[robust mango]

Idk, I think the evil was pretty equal in terms of what was happening

[solid hinge]

Thats more casualties than the fricking holocaust

[proven charm]

all of them are still seen as evil

especially Germany

[robust mango]

Stalin potentially killed 50 million of his own people

[wet fossil]

Famines tend to kill a hell of a lot of people, but they're indirect in nature.

It takes a whole 'nother level of evil to industrialise that shit.

[robust mango]

This

[solid hinge]

The Imperial Japanese starved 20+ million people to death

[tidal hawk]

Im convinced that many sides of the war werent good nor evil either, its just a matter of who did worse things
I mean, so did the US or the soviets
But they are seen as the good guys cuz its less evil

[solid hinge]

Every been to gulag

[tidal hawk]

I wouldnt consider anyone good in war if you ask me

[solid hinge]

They are no better than the SS lol

[robust mango]

Up rip

[tidal hawk]

That got yeeted

[robust mango]

I said the Bad SS word

[solid hinge]

Those people are real shitty

[solid hinge]

Wars back then where for reasources

[robust mango]

Either way not all Germans followed that ideology which a lot of people have a hard time understanding @proven charm

There was 2 wars being fought by Germany during WW2

[tidal hawk]

Sometimes, not always, i mean clearly starting a war to have revenge against ww1 and kill jews as a bonus doesnt sound very reasonable

[solid hinge]

Thats political big difference

[tidal hawk]

But japan had a good reason for war, yes they could have been.......more kind
But still

[solid hinge]

Germans caused 10 millions people to die by executions

[tidal hawk]

Its either that or failing as a country resource wise

[robust mango]

Japan was ruthless but there was a lot of bad stuff going on

[solid hinge]

Japaneses caused 30 millions people to die by famines

[robust mango]

Check how many the Russians caused to die by famines

[solid hinge]

Even today its both with united states taking reasources and making political statement

You see it on the news everyday

[robust mango]

Up can’t say the island

[crisp nymph]

What are you talking about now

[robust mango]

Server doesn’t let you expose war crimes

[crisp nymph]

Well yeah since politics aren’t allowed

Regardless this doesn’t sound like battlefield so

[tidal hawk]

All i can say is
Killing 2 entire cities with 2 cute bombs which had NOTHING to do with the war, they were innocent citizens
Doesnt sound very good if you ask me, yet they are the "heroes"

[solid hinge]

I think thats enough

[robust mango]

I bet I can say atomic bomb

[crisp nymph]

#general

[tidal hawk]

There are no heroes in war, imo

[solid hinge]

They gonna mute us lol

[tidal hawk]

Aight i stop

[crisp nymph]

40k soldiers in Hiroshima and important military factories

[valid magnet]

The countries are the victors, while heroes are bred on the frontlines

[crisp nymph]

That’s my only comment

[tidal hawk]

And what was the reason for the second bomb? Oh riiiiight exactly nothing, they didnt even have time to send a message back to the US if they give up or not

[crisp nymph]

Because they didn’t surrender after the first

3 days is enough time mate

[tidal hawk]

They didnt even have time to surrender

[solid hinge]

Morally it is a crime you killed 80k innocent children what united states done it was moronic

[crisp nymph]

Yes they did

Also

[valid magnet]

I thought they did

[crisp nymph]

They had time to surrender beforehand

[solid hinge]

Most soldiers are driven by power hungry leaders

Its not their fault

[crisp nymph]

Hell even when they did try to surrender a ultranationalist coup was attempted

[robust mango]

40K hard to justify tbh considering over 200K people were killed on top of those who suffered from starvation and after effects. The bomb itself was stupid. Japan could have surrendered without an invasion the war would have just continued longer

[solid hinge]

Dont mean to nuke it i

[warm lantern]

@sleek yacht Hi

[crisp nymph]

They wouldn’t have surrendered tho

[robust mango]

Theres no way of knowing that tho

[tidal hawk]

You cant just "assume shit" if you clearly have the upper hand lmao

[robust mango]

Because only 1 event in history happened

[solid hinge]

Its down to whether the whole Operation Downfall was real or not

[sleek yacht]

Hi

[crisp nymph]

Didn’t surrender the minute the Soviets invaded Manchuria

So yes I think we can

[solid hinge]

If you nuke a country the radiation spreads allover the planet

[robust mango]

But that means nothing

[valid magnet]

Supposedly at least not anytime soon, they dropped the bombs because the Allies deared the Japanese would hold out for too long to that both would have sustained too many casualties

[robust mango]

If they ran out of soldiers they can’t do anything

[crisp nymph]

And how is that

[robust mango]

Japan was still on the brink regardless

[crisp nymph]

They were using children and civilians

[solid hinge]

They informed both cities a month before the nuke

[robust mango]

@crisp nymph you mean the civilians we killed

[valid magnet]

Sadly with the bombs, people who were non-combatants were killed

[crisp nymph]

Partly yes

[solid hinge]

Really thats funny moment

Lol

[valid magnet]

This is partly true

[robust mango]

And then the after effects of the bomb we would continue to kill for ages

[tidal hawk]

Yea some people just dont care as you can read in this chat tho

[valid magnet]

They were handing out weapons

And flimsy ones at that

[robust mango]

Germany used children in their army as well when the big guy declared total war

[crisp nymph]

Wether you like it or not, the Japanese weren’t simply just gonna surrender

[solid hinge]

Hi everybody we going to nuke your city run

[robust mango]

We can’t assume that tbh

We only know 1 event that happened in history

[valid magnet]

Not as soon, no, but we have no way of knowing how long they would have lasted

[crisp nymph]

We can because that’s literally what they did

They were demanded to surrender multiple times prior

[robust mango]

There’s no way to determine the mindset of humans through action we never took

[solid hinge]

Yes, information is indeed happen when a city about to get bombed

[robust mango]

You know multiple leaders throughout history have probably refused to surrender until they ultimately do

[crisp nymph]

Also the fact that they were arming civilians to “fight to the last” and were preparing for an invasion proved this

[solid hinge]

America has alot of sins thou just kept under wraps

[robust mango]

If we didn’t invade

And we just sat

[crisp nymph]

Were the nukes evil? Yes. Were they needed to end the war? Yes

[robust mango]

What would they have done

With their oil supply completed severed

[valid magnet]

Well the Japanese thought of surrender as worse than death, so I doubt they would have surrendered very soon, but this doesn't justify the bombs being dropped

[robust mango]

Their navy was crippled

[tidal hawk]

Both?maybe yes, maybe no

[robust mango]

Were they just going to chill in japan

[crisp nymph]

Incase you couldn’t tell China was a front

[solid hinge]

Americans commited a tons of war crime but the Hiroshima/Nagasaki option is kinda inevitable

[crisp nymph]

And japan still had a large foothold there

[robust mango]

Most of their lands in China though had been deadlocked

We had allies literally there

If they wanted to make some movements they could have

But they didn’t

[crisp nymph]

Also by extending the war we also extended the losses

[solid hinge]

So allies will lose more troops?

[dense bone]

@oblique wave i wouldnt spam that in every channel, especially when there are chats specifically looking for people to play with...

[crisp nymph]

Should we have just stopped invading Germany after the liberation of Poland and France?

[valid magnet]

Both sides would have undoubtedly sustained lots of casualties

[crisp nymph]

Correct

[solid hinge]

Many ways to end wars with no innocent casualties

Those guys invented the boomstick, they not gonna surrender lol

[valid magnet]

One reason why they had the bomb on the table is because the Americans feared that they'd lose many of their own

[crisp nymph]

Tell me how to end a war with fanatical societies who didn’t want to surrender

[solid hinge]

If the war continue, Russia/Americsn will lose at least a million each

[solid hinge]

Special forces small groups you can take down country from inside

If you play cards right

[valid magnet]

Do I wish it were the case that none of the civilians would have been killed? Yes, of course. It's just that option that would result in less deaths is pretty difficult

[crisp nymph]

Lmao yeah because special forces were so developed and so large in WW2

[valid magnet]

A lot easier said than done

[solid hinge]

Rangers made in ww2

[valid magnet]

Not to mention the US sadly didn't trust quite a few Japanese Americans, especially in the Pacific

[crisp nymph]

I’ll be blunt, I’d rather have 200k civilians die than 5 million Americans and 2 million civilians in a invasion

[robust mango]

Apparently there still debate over the fact that japan would have eventually surrendered due to losing foothold in China and the lack of resources to continue a long term war.

[crisp nymph]

And?

[tidal hawk]

I agree with this, special forces werent that big and advanced back in ww2, however i still disagree with 2 bombs, maybe give a week to answer, but they didnt

[crisp nymph]

Even when they tried to surrender on august 14th a coup occurred

[valid magnet]

Ehh a week of what?

[robust mango]

Not all Japanese thought btw of this sort of fanatical way

[tidal hawk]

Time to surrender?

[crisp nymph]

The ones in control did

[solid hinge]

And you can less generational birth defects and contaminated eco system

[robust mango]

Well yeah ofc the ones in control

But they weren’t the ones fighting

[valid magnet]

Strategically idk how they'd think of a week, because they'd obviously move their troops which I'm assuming a bunch of US generals would have opposed

[crisp nymph]

But millions more would’ve died

[solid hinge]

Nuke dont solve problems

[valid magnet]

Well, it technically did. But at several devastating costs

[crisp nymph]

Someone please put forward a genuine explanation as to how Germany and japan would’ve surrendered-both fanatical far right governments-if we didn’t do anything

[solid hinge]

Imagine if russia hyper sonic ballistics missle hit Washington dc

With warhead nuke

[robust mango]

I mean Germany surrendered without a nuke, we just invaded

[solid hinge]

Metro 2033 begin

[crisp nymph]

If america started the war, killed 20 million civilians, and refused to surrender then yeah the nuke is justified.

[valid magnet]

After their insane leader committed suicide, yes

[solid hinge]

Then we went through same process like others wont be fun

[crisp nymph]

With massive losses yes

And a entirely destroyed country

[solid hinge]

The nuke is democracy and freedom man

[robust mango]

Yeah they had big losses but everyone had big losses

[crisp nymph]

Not really

America only lost 500k

Not a whole lot compared to Chinese and Soviets

[robust mango]

Russia lost more people than Germany

[crisp nymph]

Yes

[solid hinge]

We should get nuked by china and russia since they think the same lol

[robust mango]

And once again americans showed up late to the party

[valid magnet]

Iirc from somewhere, didn't the Americans actually discuss dropping a bomb on Germany, but didn't because it wasn't ready or something?

[crisp nymph]

Six months after Russia was invaded so not really

[robust mango]

Americans always show up late. We practically join up when the enemy is weakened

[crisp nymph]

Yes because of the Germany first policy

[solid hinge]

Nuke is not freedom but destruction to others and yourself

[tidal hawk]

America lost around the same amount of people as the british, and lets be honest, britain and as big as the good ol murica

[solid hinge]

@zzzy well thats wrong mate

[valid magnet]

This isn't true lmao

[tidal hawk]

America barely lost anyone compared to their population

[valid magnet]

WWI, yeah kinda

[crisp nymph]

Do you even know what you are talking about

[valid magnet]

WWII, not so much

[crisp nymph]

I’m convinced that you are not

[solid hinge]

The lend lense thing happened in 1941

[solar sentinel]

Ask yourselves this, if you had to go to a fight and you own a gun, would you take the gun or use your fists because it is less violent? Its the same thing with nukes, when you have it why wouldnt you use it. An officer's first priority is the welfare of his men

[robust mango]

Where am i wrong on this

[crisp nymph]

Because it isn’t true

Germany was steamrolling Russia atm

[robust mango]

If you didn’t understand my reference it was from WW1 when we joined at the end

[crisp nymph]

North Africa was basically lost

WW1 that’s more fair yes

[robust mango]

Yeah please ask my reference before judging

[tidal hawk]

Im still holding on to my opinion, i dont say nukes shouldnt have been used, im saying 2 nukes shouldnt have been used

[crisp nymph]

But it was a massive morale boost for the entente

[robust mango]

We literally showed up and was like “hey”

[valid magnet]

May I remind you that British forces had to wirhdraw from France and only got back in with thr invasion of Normandy

Which was mostly American

[robust mango]

Lend lease act is what kept Britain in WW2 pretty much

[crisp nymph]

Anyways

[robust mango]

They easily would have surrendered over time if we did nothing

[valid magnet]

Ehhh from Russia maybe

[robust mango]

No way Britain stayed in WW2 without us joining

[valid magnet]

But you have no idea how much of a risk that is

[solar sentinel]

i think if you were in the position of the decision makers in ww2 you'd have a different opinion. you have sent half a million of your own men to death. now you have a choice of sending another half million to death or using this fancy new bomb the jews created

[valid magnet]

What about the Pacific btw

[solar sentinel]

@tidal hawk

[crisp nymph]

The nukes should be used an example of the horrors of war and that we should never have to go that far again, but truly considering the situation it was justified.

[solid hinge]

At least 2 mkre millions Russians could have been death in winter 1942

[valid magnet]

If we weren't involved, the Pacific sure as hell would have fell

[solid hinge]

Without lend lease

[robust mango]

The pacific would have been a disaster without us going in tbh

[solid hinge]

......buddy tell me what inside a nuclear warhead

[solar sentinel]

magic

[crisp nymph]

Atoms

[tidal hawk]

I still think one would be enough, they clearly saw what type of weapon the US used, pretty sure they didnt ignored it like "its ok we only lost a city in a single day", maybe a week of threats or something would have put an end to it without having to bomb the crap out of another huge city

[robust mango]

Thing is Americans take credit for victory in WW1 and 2 but realistically WW1 could have been an entente win without us and WW2 is where we were needed

[valid magnet]

Which is what I said..

[robust mango]

By 1917 the Germans were easily running out of steam

[solid hinge]

You cant just nuke a country and call it a day

Remember Kaiserschalt?

[crisp nymph]

I do think that if America never intervened it would’ve been closer to a white peace

[robust mango]

And the ottomans were losing territory as well

[crisp nymph]

As France was having army mutinies

[robust mango]

This

[crisp nymph]

While the Germans had a socialist rebellion in Bavaria

[valid magnet]

The Americans didn't just leave Japan after they bombed them, you know that right?

[robust mango]

We helped them rebuild I think

[crisp nymph]

America helped repair japan

[solid hinge]

1 nuke can cause catastrophic eco system destruction

[tidal hawk]

Yea they nuked it again

[valid magnet]

They have post-war settlements to govern and rebuild in the country afterwards

[quick compass]

We didn't, after the nuke we helped rebuild

[robust mango]

Ironically after the bombing we actually helped rebuild japan and then we became extremely close

[solid hinge]

And put a deadlock to their army

[queen canopy]

Americas intervention in WW1 led to the treaty of Versailles being what it was. Probably would’ve been a much more favorable ceasefire for Geramany without, but they never would’ve fully won the war

[solid hinge]

They left them for a month

[robust mango]

It was mostly when the empirical government collapsed

[crisp nymph]

So can my balls

[queen canopy]

In a military defeat at least

[solid hinge]

Kaiserschalt made the German sign treaty of Versailles

[valid magnet]

Wasn't Wilson's 14 points a lot more fair than the Versailles they got?

[quick compass]

to be fair we also did it to have influence overseas, not entirely because sorry we nuked you

[valid magnet]

He made 14 points that were pretty favorable I thought, which weren't used

[queen canopy]

I think partially yeah, my recollection of the 14 points is a bit rusty though

[solid hinge]

Not really kinda

[crisp nymph]

Yeah because the French hated Germans

[robust mango]

Yeah that as well

[tidal hawk]

Nontheless, even if japan "lost", it was a win, considering the whole thing started because of lack of resources, by having a war and then losing japan has a big win after the war, with technology and brands being better than even the US had

[robust mango]

Treaty of Versailles is one of the reasons Germany hated the situation they were in lol

[solid hinge]

If you look into deep information triads etc help rebuild Hiroshima

[tidal hawk]

That name makes me sick as a hungarian

[robust mango]

[valid magnet]

A win at what cost though, obviously yes less could have died, but for all we know Japan could have held out for so long even more casualties could have amounted

[solid hinge]

Japan became industrial powerhouse after

The Austrian got away

[valid magnet]

And sadly in this case, non-combatants died which is a tragedy and by definition a war crime

[solar sentinel]

many people approach this question from the perspective of morality but forget the different approach to morality then. You see 1 bomb was not enough for the americans. You have to understand after 200 years of the biggest asian empires getting curbstomped, this lonely island with no past relevance with no resources not only managed to beat the european countries but also committed attrocities against white prisoners of war. The worldview that americans, and all others including asians really, had completely been turned upside down by the japanese. Naturally a lot of americans were furious with the japenese for treating white prisoners so cruelly while all the european empires were always treating non whites like shit. This is why many americans not only wanted even more bombs dropped but also supported the ordinary attrocities US trooops were committing against Jap troops

[crisp nymph]

Words

[tidal hawk]

Yea exactly, they went from starving to war to actually bexoming a first world country

[solid hinge]

No wonder the first thing German did in WW2 is to invade Austria

[tidal hawk]

Thats a win in my book

[robust mango]

Imagine if the Germans could have mass produced tiger 2s

[valid magnet]

Tiger 2s sucked lmao

They're highly overrated

[robust mango]

Not as sucky as the tiger 1

[crisp nymph]

Japan’s industrialization from the 1870s-1900s was extremely impressive regardless as it was faster than any other country in the world

[solid hinge]

[robust mango]

At least the panther was good

[tidal hawk]

[solid hinge]

Bruh just stop

The Tigers proved obsolete in Krusk

[quick compass]

bruh

[valid magnet]

Panther didn't go anywhere lmao

[vivid rapids]

Ehhh
Panther by nature goes against mass production

[valid magnet]

It broke down majority of the time

[robust mango]

Yeah well most German tanks couldn’t be mass produced

[crisp nymph]

German tanks love to break down

[valid magnet]

And most of those tanks broke down

Lmao

[robust mango]

Though the one upper hand germans had in tanks was communication

[solid hinge]

If isreal got nuked by iran with same conditional thinking like you

[vivid rapids]

Germans invested too much in the longevity of their tanks

[tidal hawk]

So this mate just said, its okay to nuke a country twice cuz they treated people like shit? Hold on how did we go from wanting to win a war for peace to wanting revenge

Bruh

[quick compass]

that's what happens when you have industry working on 200%, shitty products but mass production

[solid hinge]

German Tigers can be easily demolished by Americans bombers or Russian T34 division

[valid magnet]

Nuked?

[robust mango]

Since they had headphones and radios to cross communicate with air support

[solid hinge]

Its overrate anyhow

[valid magnet]

Since when was Israel nuked lol

[crisp nymph]

I do not like Israel.

[valid magnet]

Israel and Palestone both have terrible governments imo

[solid hinge]

Nuclear warhead icbm

[solar sentinel]

lmao im not jewish or white. its just my psn name. if you read my answer im not saying japan deserved it. im trying to explain why the americans hated japan so much

[valid magnet]

And Israel is trying to justify war crimes so I don't like either of them

[crisp nymph]

Iran would sooner nuke itself than Israel tho

[solid hinge]

Israel has great government, they served their people

They are maybe shitty to other

But they has to be since they are covered by enemies

[valid magnet]

The Israeli government is trying to justify kidnapping and killing Palestinian children

[crisp nymph]

They sterilized Ethiopian Jews

[solid hinge]

Ok but usa and japan had cold war in for along time by then

[crisp nymph]

Literally their own population

[shy badger]

Chats being political

mods pls

[robust mango]

It’s okay tho guys because we defended them 80 years ago

[crisp nymph]

Yeah because mods don’t care for once

[tidal hawk]

Okay but the t34 was amazing
Not only did it use 200IQ because of being the first tank that had a non vertical plating so the the thickness and the chance of shells bouncing off was higher, but it was also extremely reliable, t34 was a big jump in the tank industry

[crisp nymph]

Hasn’t gotten toxic yet fortunately

[shy badger]

@prime pine

[robust mango]

Welp now it’s time to stop

[solid hinge]

T34 has really good armor engineering

[crisp nymph]

Right.

[robust mango]

Blackout ratted

[vivid rapids]

Not the first tank

French were making sloped armor before

[solid hinge]

Sherman on the other hand are supporting troops vehicles

[tidal hawk]

With little success

[shy badger]

Keep politics out of the bf discord

[robust mango]

Twee will forever be the only cool 42MD member

[shy badger]

You've got plenty of other forums to talk politics on

[solid hinge]

I don't see how people think Sherman are for up against german tanks lol

[solid hinge]

War is politics 😃

Since Americans deal with German tanks by air force

[crisp nymph]

Well most of them devolve into toxicity

[robust mango]

Sherman’s sucked against German tanks iirc

[crisp nymph]

This is surprisingly civil

[robust mango]

Wasn’t their kill ratio like 10:1

[solid hinge]

But yeah this battlefield chat

[vivid rapids]

Also the early models are notorious for being unreliable
This was fixed later on primarily when the 85mm model entered production
They were combat effective and easy to mass produce which was why they were so good

[solid hinge]

It is supposed to be sucks against german tanks

[shy badger]

Yea doesn't really matter

[solar sentinel]

how do you know they're not? You saying you were inside a sherman or a german tank?

[solid hinge]

Its a suporting troops vehicle

[crisp nymph]

Japanese tanks were the best

[robust mango]

Japanese tanks are funny

[crisp nymph]

Several people are typing

[tidal hawk]

Well i mean, a tank that can run on diesel and vodka mixture, i do consider reliable

[solid hinge]

American tanks where lol

[vivid rapids]

They had shit strategies

[solar sentinel]

in the game jap tanks are garbo. idk about real life

[robust mango]

Irl they were pretty bad

Their planes however

[crisp nymph]

I have the fully upgraded medium tank it’s better than a tiger at destroying other tanks

[robust mango]

The zero is a pretty iconic and infamous plane

[untold aurora]

[vivid rapids]

Shame most of them were left to defend homeland japan

[solar sentinel]

for real? I have it on lvl 2. the cannon is such a joke it cant even kill infantry with one hit unless its direct

[valid magnet]

There's a reason you don't know

[tidal hawk]

Hungarian Fun Fact: in the hungarian revolution against the soviets in 1956 we stole one of their "new" tanks and sent them to the americans so they can analyze the design

[robust mango]

Yup sadly

[crisp nymph]

Do the 2-3 cannon upgrades it becomes elite

[solar sentinel]

right cannon upgrade or howitzer cannon?

[fast dagger]

hey this for game server

[solid hinge]

Most movies depict Sherman tanks vs Panzer/Tiger bla bla bla

[vivid rapids]

Right

[crisp nymph]

Not the howitzer

[vivid rapids]

The ones that make it look actually menacing

[crisp nymph]

Right cannon upgrades

[fast dagger]

why u including the religion?????

[crisp nymph]

Hm?

[tidal hawk]

Japanese tanks were rolling tincans with some hope holding them together on the way

Imo

[solid hinge]

Fun fact where still in the coldwar since the 50s

[solar sentinel]

tbh i didn't even know the japanese had tanks

in ww2

[fast dagger]

what is the benefit for us if politcal issue as what happen the the holy land 😄

[solar sentinel]

islands seem impractical for it

[crisp nymph]

They were used mainly in China

[valid magnet]

Again, there's a reason you don't

[crisp nymph]

Or on the soviet border

[solid hinge]

There is some models in Sino war

[prime pine]

Hey peoples. No politics.

[fast dagger]

+1

[solid hinge]

Holyland theres no such thing lol

[crisp nymph]

Tad late sorry

[solar sentinel]

he means palestine

[crisp nymph]

We moved onto tanks and comparing them to in game

[solid hinge]

Holy planet is mars

[solar sentinel]

it truly is

[tidal hawk]

Yes, theres the portal to the demon world
doom intensifies

[fast dagger]

haha i mean no body

[tidal hawk]

[prime pine]

Any politics past here will earn you a mute. Knock it off.

[royal rose]

Can you all please keep it friendly and politic free in here?

[fast dagger]

sure iam agree

[solid hinge]

I prefer politits

[solar sentinel]

i truly hope the next battlefield has symetric vehicles

[tidal hawk]

Tits

Nice

I agree

[solar sentinel]

it may be more accurate but how is it fun when the US bomber sucks compared to the german bomber

[tidal hawk]

I actually wished for the soviets in bf5, buuut they didnt add so :/

[prime pine]

The a20 is actually pretty good

Anyways

[crisp nymph]

[solar sentinel]

but is it as good as the german one?

[crisp nymph]

Good joke

[fast dagger]

I think battlefield must have map in the desert

[tidal hawk]

It would be so much fun to play with a PTRD , or maybe some smgs like the PPSh

Maaaan id love that

So much

[crisp nymph]

We did in BFV, BF1, BF4

[solar sentinel]

soviet maps would be clutch

but i wouldnt want snow maps

[solid hinge]

Svt-40 2 shot assult weaoon

[solar sentinel]

they could do panzerstorm like maps

[solid hinge]

Lol

[solar sentinel]

not in the winter

[crisp nymph]

Yes we need more vehicle based maps

[fast dagger]

yeah its important

[tidal hawk]

Spring maps in russia
Bunch of mud and everything, that would be sick

[solid hinge]

Anyway im entertain by these so called trailer leaks lol

[prime pine]

It may not have the light bombs in comparison but it flies way faster and has a faster resupply timer.

[fast dagger]

cross playing too with other

[solid hinge]

Idk what the leaks but look fan made

[tidal hawk]

Im so bad at flying in this game, hoewver i do have a lot of bomb kills so thats cool

[cinder kayak]

yo

[crisp nymph]

Well a Bf-109 G-6 can ruin it fast

[prime pine]

Yes compare bombers to bombers then bombers to fighters. No shit itll lose to one.

[tidal hawk]

Whats yalls fav guns in the game?

[solar sentinel]

the thing with the german bomber is, and im pretty new to this game, i can stay alive the whole match with it because of the 2 passenger HMGs. this alone makes all other planes significantly less OP imo because i find it much harder to escape other planes with it

[prime pine]

Fg42

[cinder kayak]

which parts of this new video leak are new (not and not from bf3 and bf4)???

[solid hinge]

M1 grand

[cinder kayak]

is there a link to just the new stuff?

[crisp nymph]

Depends on class

[solid hinge]

Had anyone ever attempt to fly through the bridge in Twisted steel

[prime pine]

I have

[tidal hawk]

Fav class?

[prime pine]

It ended badly

[crisp nymph]

Assault

[tidal hawk]

Your fav assault gun?

[solar sentinel]

trench pistol foreveer

[royal rose]

@prime pine GO SLEEP

[prime pine]

Support with the fg42 stalker

[crisp nymph]

STG-44

[royal rose]

yeet!\

[fervent elbow]

geh nach schlefen

[solid hinge]

Why does no one play fao fortress

[tidal hawk]

Good choices

[solid hinge]

I succeeded but both wings are destroyed

[prime pine]

I got sucked into this cause of the convo lmao. Ill go.

[vapid breach]

vityaz sn

[solid hinge]

Non but people believe tom seen the trailer

[tidal hawk]

However if i say so myself
I like big bois
M30 and mg42 gang

[crisp nymph]

I shot down 2 planes with tanks (not AA tanks)

[fervent elbow]

Good boy

[royal rose]

i can see you typing! so go to bed

[solar sentinel]

camper

[crisp nymph]

And also one from a bf1 destroyer at 800 meters away

[tidal hawk]

Not with the m30 no

[cinder kayak]

from the tiktok?

[solar sentinel]

if you gotta prone to use it they camper weapons

[cinder kayak]

im talking about the tiktok

[solid hinge]

Yeah lol

[shy badger]

The tiktok trailer is so obviously fake

[tidal hawk]

You dont
M30 is the double barrel shotgun with the rifle chamber

[solar sentinel]

oh sorry i thought it was HMG

[shy badger]

I don't understand how it got so much attention

[solar sentinel]

or MMG

[crisp nymph]

M30 ballin but I usually fire both shots at once

[cinder kayak]

eh

[solid hinge]

Tiktok users are zombies

[solid hinge]

Tom lol

[shy badger]

That leaker dude?

[tidal hawk]

1 is more than enough to kill, especially with the left side of the spec tree

[solid hinge]

They gonna swipe//follow/like everything they saw

[crisp nymph]

Yeah it is but I’m just used to tap firing

[solid hinge]

Hackers all day in dice servers on bf1

[cinder kayak]

https://i.imgur.com/0g7GQpf.png

what do you call that then?

[solid hinge]

I've spotted like 6 hackers today

[tidal hawk]

Oof im not, even on recon i run the boys rifle, i like killing fast tbh

[modern marsh]

Yes, it never ends well

Ended up killing like 3 people by accidentally slamming my plane into them though

[shy badger]

The animation is so awful

[crisp nymph]

@crimson tinsel what game are you playing

[novel blaze]

battlefield

6

[shy badger]

Theres no way its a modern bf game

[solid hinge]

Either way if it doesnt have camp helles then im not buying it

[cinder kayak]

idk

[solid hinge]

Tom claimed 80% of bf6 trailer is leaked lol

[cinder kayak]

it might be that they finally added the ability to turn your head

[crisp nymph]

The Imgur “leak” looks way better

[solid hinge]

What leaks guys

[crisp nymph]

Video

[crimson tinsel]

@crisp nymph Leekfield, it's very nutritious and good for you.

[solid hinge]

Its all bs man

[solid hinge]

None just fan made leaks

[shy badger]

The imgur leak looks plausible

[solid hinge]

Lol

[cinder kayak]

idk

[solid hinge]

For battlefield mobile

[tidal hawk]

@crisp nymph on full auto weapons i use the ome with the biggest mag and fire rate ratio, so the tommy gun on medic, the mg42, and for assault i keep switching between the m1907 sf and the m2, i run a scope on both of them, and built them for hipfire so i can use them both close and long range

Im a genius ik

[cinder kayak]

it shows that silo in its orignal fps tho

fully clear

[shy badger]

It follows the classic bf traioer formula while looking somewhat decent

[shy badger]

Possibly yea

[crisp nymph]

Aight

[solid hinge]

We dont know where bf6 is at

[solar sentinel]

check trench pistol in recon

large mag, 0 recoil, slow rate of fire though but not too slow

[solid hinge]

Bf4 was in asia

[tidal hawk]

Nothing can beat my skill with the boys at rifle

[solar sentinel]

its the best gun in the game no cap

[shy badger]

Bf4 wasn't just in Asia

[tidal hawk]

Btw i agree, i use it when i wanna play agressive but have recon assignments

[fast dagger]

I think maybe euroasia

[solid hinge]

Bf3 is in middle east and usa last mission

Jesus the leak has non epilepsy friendly content

Even europe

[crisp nymph]

Bf6 will be about indian Pakistan war

[solid hinge]

I dont think dice gonna allow a teaser will non epilepsy friendly content

[solar sentinel]

lmao

but no

[tidal hawk]

Yo i read a joke about it someone talking about a ballistic poop rocket used by both nations
I found it funny

[solid hinge]

I think bf6 might be like bf3 3 different locations

[solar sentinel]

few people buy games in india which dictates how many games are made fo rit

[fast dagger]

they mostly play countr

[tidal hawk]

Yo its swa, hiii

[celest pollen]

most popular games aren't made for specific countries, but they target the world for more playercounts. But in terms of multiplayer, it matters because I'm guessing that Indians have to connect to the nearest server aka I guess singapore or japan?

[celest pollen]

yoo!!!

[tidal hawk]

That reminds me, prince of persia remake totally disappeared since the delay, i dont blame them, the reveal trailer looked awful

[celest pollen]

lmfao

[tidal hawk]

They appearantly remaking it from scratch

[celest pollen]

again..?>

[tidal hawk]

Made by ubisoft india

[tidal hawk]

Well they leave the mechanics and map design the same, but they are going to fix the whole look up graphically, the textures the lighting etc

[solid hinge]

India making game about Persia

[lament pond]

Battlefield Trailer leak Tease by ENERGY⚡ https://imgur.com/a/QQgTaGO

Boom

[tidal hawk]

I mean, guessing from the trailer, not only the dagger went back in time but the graphics as well lol so good choice by ubisoft india

[celest pollen]

yeah

[tidal hawk]

Ikr

Its also weird how they left such a big known game to a small studio that doesnt have much experience

[celest pollen]

they could've used unreal engine 4's blurprint system and like a team of 5 can easily make that work with a few months of full dedication

[tidal hawk]

Ngl the game looks like its made by 5 people

[celest pollen]

[solar sentinel]

there are servers in india. but you know people buy battlefield and cod because US is in it. China and Russia are villains because the US media and population has them as the big bad villains. India (or pakistan) while powerful, just dont have the same impact in peoples minds as China or russia or US

so i'd be highly surprised to see india in a big role in a big video game in the next 10 years

[celest pollen]

here i thought they bought the games cuz guns go pew pew

[solar sentinel]

ofc

[tidal hawk]

Id love a game set in historical india or persia tho ngl

Kinda why i love prince of persia too

[solar sentinel]

but its not the only reason you get that right

[tidal hawk]

Middle eastern history is underrated in video games, so is indian

[celest pollen]

i dunno, thats kinda the only reason ive ever wanted to buy any game... ive never really cared about the political aspect

[wind quarry]

Yo so since medic class has SMGs, what am I supposed to do at medium Range

[solar sentinel]

its not the political aspect in my opinion that people care about. its the name recall. everyones grown up seeing movies of the russian or chinese villain. you get what im saying

[tidal hawk]

Maybe use a more accurate smg, tho i would stick to being more agressive and try to be as close as possible

[solar sentinel]

sadly true

[tidal hawk]

The sten, m3 grease gun, the zk383 are all very accurate for medium range imo

[celest pollen]

ahhh yeah makes sense

[solid hinge]

Grease gun no

[wind quarry]

Ah ok thanks. I was playing bfv for first time in months and the I load up to a breakthrough where both teams are 100ms away from each other sniping

[solid hinge]

That the kick a lot

[wind quarry]

Was using the suomi and didn't know what to do

[tidal hawk]

The grease gun?interesting i always found it easy to control

May be just me tho

[solar sentinel]

what is the best medic gun? and is it better than the sten?

[tidal hawk]

A few days ago on a forum they made a poll, the zk383 the type 100 and the thommy gun was the best gun

[dense bone]

guns are better in scenarios, theres no universal better

[tidal hawk]

But i think there are a lot of good smgs imo

[dense bone]

sten specifically is a middle of the road gun thats pretty easy to use

[wind quarry]

Someone told me it was the Suomi

[dense bone]

typically easy to use means low skill ceiling

[tidal hawk]

Ah right i forgot the suomi

[wind quarry]

But only in close range

[tidal hawk]

Yes its the fastest time to kill smg

Appearantly

[solar sentinel]

dasss me

someone told me the same thing about suomi

[dense bone]

2a has faster ttk but good luck being consistent with the 2a when it has the most HREC in the game

[solar sentinel]

but idk if the faster RoF or extended mags is better

for suomi

[dense bone]

extended

[tidal hawk]

Yep, extended mag

For the suomi id go full right side

[solar sentinel]

aight thaniks

thanks

[dense bone]

killing someone .2 seconds faster isnt really a huge difference vs being able to kill multiple people in a mag

[solar sentinel]

btw y'all PS master race or what?

if you are feel free to add me

[dense bone]

considering suomi is a close range smg, its likely youll be near multiple enemies

[tidal hawk]

I play on the ps yes, im too stupid for the whole technological part of the pc, and i never had an xbox so yes im a ps player until i die i guess

[dense bone]

pc really isnt that bad, and tech chat or myself would help with builds

[solar sentinel]

i bought a series X when i wasnt able to find s ps5. found ps5, returned xbox

xbox is really good though

lots of cool lil features

[dense bone]

oh, and console has aim assist, idk how that affects guns compared to pc

[tidal hawk]

Its not even the builds man, its the whole thing to keep upgrading and upgrading, games may be cheaper but there are more cheaters too, and since i have a gaming laptopt thats now outdated, i had a lot of struggles and didnt feel comfortable using it for games, now i only use it for university and just other stuff like watch movies and stuff

Im not a boomer but i do feel like one when i use the pc

[solar sentinel]

you dont need to upgrade THAT often but cheaters are a real problem

[dense bone]

ehhh, the whole "you gotta keep upgrading" saying is a bit overblown

[solar sentinel]

you do need to upgrade eventually and faster than you would upgrade your console but its not like you need to do it every year

[dense bone]

if youre fine turning down settings in games cards can last a very long time for 1080 144hz

even longer if you only want 60hz

[tidal hawk]

I also had to swap to an ssd cuz my hdd kept dying each time i got one

[dense bone]

thats just unfortunate

[tidal hawk]

And my bank account didnt like the ssd

[dense bone]

for 1440p 144hz i kept my system for 4 years unchanged

[solar sentinel]

banks discriminate against SSDs and most other pieces of technology i want

[tidal hawk]

Im also going to add that im a student, so thats why the whole pc upgrading is a problem

Lack of money

[dense bone]

well, its not like anyone is building atm without getting lucky

or paying out the ass

[true sphinx]

How you know when your good at the game

[glossy rose]

you got rekt lmao

[neon zenith]

@pulsar valve Thanks a lot for the bot, nice integration.

[modern oyster]

Battlefield trailer when

Lol

[quick compass]

2a upgraded has decent range

[pulsar valve]

Hopefully it survives for a bit

[neon zenith]

(I'm using this one for the french community)

Thank you again

[tidal hawk]

Burns through the ammo like its nothing tjo

Tho

Even with the extended mag

You can max 2 people

[solid hinge]

!bfv stats MaxStockjolm

[tidal hawk]

With the suomi you can get 4 kills with a mag

[worthy totem]

Who has seen the leaked 11 seconds of trailer

I have it saved

I can DM

[solid hinge]

!stats MaxStockholm

Imagine they go back to BF4 movement in 6 because they just assumed everyone loved BF4 so much they just wanted everything from it

[crisp nymph]

Dm me then pls

[solid hinge]

I've seen it and the only part I even think isn't just re used BF4 footage was the bit with the robo dog

[worthy totem]

It’s not re used

[solid hinge]

How the fuck does someone even leak 80% of a trailer anyway

Now im curious what would have happened had the infamous bf5 reveal trailer been leaked

[daring condor]

It's from a game called "ww3" I'm pretty sure

[solid hinge]

Yea that reload animation in the l86? Looks like something that's below even BF4 level

[daring condor]

Yeah it's a terrible reload animation

But I guess it's decent for an indie game

[solid hinge]

I highly highly doubt it's actually from bf6 as no way they would degrade that much from bf5

[daring condor]

Yeah it definitely isn't

[solid hinge]

As I said I only think the robo dog part is apart of it but all of the stuff in that vid leans into the leaks a lil too hard

[crisp nymph]

Just got off the phone with friend who works at dice

Game is about Liberian conquest of the world

[solid hinge]

No no my uncle works at dice and says its about the Franco Prussian war with tanks

[crisp nymph]

What type of tanks

[solid hinge]

The da Vinci tank

[crisp nymph]

Understandable

For BFV?

Ah

[solid hinge]

In before the type 2a is added as a meme battlepick up in bf6 like the usas-12 was in bf4

[crisp nymph]

Everyone has been having problems the last month

[harsh whale]

i want to recomend u guys if playing bf at night play while listening to fortunate son at max volume, its a drug xd

[solid hinge]

Fortunate son you mean?

[crisp nymph]

Fortunate song?

[harsh whale]

son

my bad

[crisp nymph]

Ok

[harsh whale]

xd

[solid hinge]

That's a interesting choice now if only we had a modern battlefield Vietnam

[harsh whale]

yeah, but we got waht we got

also i have bought the premium for inli 1k coins, doin the weekly missipns

i dont know if the offer still aviable

[solid hinge]

I assume you mean the definitive edition?

[harsh whale]

but recommended 100%

[crisp nymph]

Premium for what

[solid hinge]

There is no premium pass for bf5

[harsh whale]

yeah

[solid hinge]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/721973347905494/permalink/3278807508888719/

Fake trailer

And I hope to hell bf6 dosent have a premium pass

[harsh whale]

i did not know the name in english 😅

[crisp nymph]

Grabify link

[solid hinge]

Link work?

[harsh whale]

i hope developers look more after it than 5 xd

[crisp nymph]

It doxxed me

[solid hinge]

?

[crisp nymph]

The link

[solid hinge]

What?

[crisp nymph]

Yeah.

[solid hinge]

I wouldn't mind us getting a side game called battlefield 1944 with just the fan fav bf5 maps and stuff like eastern front added at some point later on

How you got doxxed lol

Obviously no chance it'll be soon due to bf5 let's just say souring how much people would want a new Ww2 battlefield