battlefield-legacy-titles

[prime pine]

The first 6 months for bf5 were annoying

[queen canopy]

A lot of people really don't like the fact that theres no Eastern Front too

[shy sable]

The worst part is they priritized fake tom cruise over the eastern front or Normandy

[shy sable]

Like me

[solid hinge]

Tbh bf5 did lacked bit of content

[proven charm]

we did get Russian weapons

[solid hinge]

But

[proven charm]

rmn50 mortar

[solid hinge]

The gave 1940s op metro

[hallow peak]

Panzerstorm is too open. I mean i know its a vehicle tank map but still yeah it needs a small town somewhere in the middle

[prime pine]

How would an elite get in the way of a map

When that is made by an entirely different team

[queen canopy]

Yeah, those are two completely different teams working on that

yep

[solid hinge]

I was waiting for d day map

[proven charm]

play iwo jima

[shy sable]

Same

[queen canopy]

D-Day map would've been probably mediocre at best

[proven charm]

^

[shy sable]

Agreed

[queen canopy]

Like Iwo Jima, pretty solid on BT, and awful on CQ

[prime pine]

Would just have been a plane farming mess like iwo jima

[queen canopy]

Its not a huge loss to me considering that fact

And to be fair, we did get Iwo Jima which is almost as big of a landing

[shy sable]

Tru

[prime pine]

Iwo jima was a great map

[cobalt swallow]

[shy sable]

Still i

[solid hinge]

There was alot of maps they could of done

[queen canopy]

Not to mention that Provence was the location of Operation Dragoon, which was D-Day's southern cousin

[shy sable]

S

[solid hinge]

Major battles

[shy sable]

Tru

[queen canopy]

And we got a lot of other major battles most games don't touch

[shy sable]

Thats what pisses me off

[prime pine]

Eh. With games people are always going to say "they could have"

[solid hinge]

I mean DICE can still make content

When they feel like it

They have all the files ready

[shy sable]

I agree. cod ww2 had the opposite problem too many locations that had already been covered. In this game the locations were so unknows no one gave a fuck

[queen canopy]

DICE is choosing to make content for BF6 though, which is good

BFV's a bit of a sinking ship

Or at least slightly listing to port

[lime sleet]

bf4 is gun asf

fun

[queen canopy]

so you've mentioned

[prime pine]

Id rather dice focus on the next game

[novel light]

TIL

[shy sable]

Tru

[lime sleet]

ive never had such a good time lol

[shy sable]

Agreef

But modern day again

Like why

[prime pine]

Its simple

[queen canopy]

Its what a lot of people want

[prime pine]

Lots of creative freedom

[solid hinge]

Not really people still play bf5

[shy sable]

Thats true

[queen canopy]

...yes, they do. But in terms of PR its been in a sorry state since launch

People still play BF1, but I'd hardly call it alive

[prime pine]

They really need to refresh

[jade lintel]

yeah

[solid hinge]

People dont play BF4 on PC cause DICE dont support the 7 year old game

[jade lintel]

BF5 is gonna die when BF6 is revealed

i bet

They do actually

Tons

[queen canopy]

And DICE isn't supporting BFV anymore, whats your point?

[jade lintel]

Becuase its a fucking banger

[shy sable]

But i think an early cold war era proxy war would be pretty cool. Korea or nam

[solid hinge]

Well thats PR not playerbase 🤗

[queen canopy]

If you have bad PR, you don't have a playerbase

[jade lintel]

Yeah

[shy sable]

Tru

[queen canopy]

Were you asleep for the entire prelaunch marketing for BFV?

It was a trainwreck, for which people STILL have issues

[solid hinge]

Well its up to players lol

[shy sable]

Like me

[jade lintel]

BF5s PR was bad until abt pacific update

[queen canopy]

And for a lot of players, they chose not to buy because of that PR.

[jade lintel]

The trailer for that was pog AF

[shy sable]

Its how it works

[queen canopy]

And that really has affected this game's longetivity

[jade lintel]

yeah

[prime pine]

The pr went to shit when 5.2 came out

[solid hinge]

I brought bf5

[jade lintel]

why

[queen canopy]

You don't represent the entire market

I bought it too

And a lot of people didn't

[prime pine]

Weapon balance, engineer

[solid hinge]

Neither you

[shy sable]

He has a point

[queen canopy]

Neither of us do, good job.

[jade lintel]

Yeah weapon balance in BF5 seems...a bit crap

[shy sable]

Agreed

[solid hinge]

You only 1 out of million

[golden walrus]

*is

[queen canopy]

And so are you, why'd you bring up the point?

[prime pine]

It was even worse in 5.2 engineer

[jade lintel]

Im only saaying that cuz i only play BF4 and the weapon balance there was amazing

[solid hinge]

How many copies bf5 sold....

[shy sable]

Exactly

[queen canopy]

We don't represent the greater audience as a whole.

[jade lintel]

There are basically no dumb overpowered guns

[queen canopy]

And a lot of people chose not to buy because of PR

[shy sable]

Remeber the bf1 trailer

[jade lintel]

yeah

[shy sable]

Ppl got so damn hyped

[novel light]

I remember thinking a lot of things about BF4 gun balance

Tbh "amazing" was not one of them

[shy sable]

And it destrowed cod infinite warfare

[jade lintel]

Tons of people bought BF1 because of the great PR

[queen canopy]

Exactly

[shy sable]

Exactoy my point

[jade lintel]

yeah

[prime pine]

Guns were turned into peashooters and made meta Guns even more prevalent

[solid hinge]

Thats what i like about battlefield tbh gun balance

[jade lintel]

The trailers are unforgettable

[shy sable]

I watch em to this day

[queen canopy]

"PR isn't playerbase" except when the state of your PR often directly affects the size of your playerbase

[jade lintel]

yeah didnt the FG-42 do like 8 damage in 5.2

[shy sable]

Exactly

[solid hinge]

PR dont mean much its about money

[prime pine]

I dont give a damn about the over use of the Guns but the stg 44 was the only gun worth a damn in 5.2

[shy sable]

Wut

[jade lintel]

uhhh yes it does

[queen canopy]

What are you even trying to say at this point

[lime sleet]

bf4 aek hits dif

[woven furnace]

But seriously BF1 feels so...'honest' besides the occasional sweats in TDM

[jade lintel]

Can you please use uh, i dunno, LOGIC?

[solid hinge]

People still buy it 🤣🤣

[novel light]

Actually, most of slow-shooters were powerful back then, if anything

[woven furnace]

I guess it feels honest because WW1 and no fancy gadgets

[shy sable]

Exactly

[lime sleet]

bf1 looks good sucks i didnt play it in prime

[jade lintel]

well its decently well balanced

[queen canopy]

You wonder why people hate BFV? Go look at the comment section for the BFV reveal trailer and tell me how PR doesn't matter

@solid hinge

[shy sable]

Thats the depressing part

[prime pine]

They gutted the fuck out of the fg42 in 5.2, it was an assault rifle not an smg. An actual submachine gun like the type 100 had better killing power at a range.

[woven furnace]

It's still active

[queen canopy]

And a lot of people don't

[jade lintel]

Is ur english just bad elias?

[dusty dagger]

i keep getting kicked by punbuster

wth

[jade lintel]

Because if so then thats fine

i can understand that

[shy sable]

Exactly

[jade lintel]

yesh

[novel light]

Bren, semis not called M1 Carbine or G1-5 and a good couple of other guns actually raked in 5.2... FG has been done dirty tho

[lime sleet]

bf4 ultra still holds up

[jade lintel]

uh huh

[shy sable]

It does

[queen canopy]

People still today write BFV off solely because of what they saw in the prelaunch marketing.

[solid hinge]

you can have johnny cash PR like bf1 did even if game good or bad but money matters

[prime pine]

The one thing 5.2 did right was balancing some of the semis out better and making things like the mp40 decent but as a whole it was a really shit update

[jade lintel]

The only "overpowered" guns in BF4 are arguably the M416 and ACE 23 and still they do have their weaknesses

[shy sable]

Exactly its a scar that will never heal

[woven furnace]

soo no one cares that there's black people and women in BF1?

[jade lintel]

Yeah

[novel light]

ACE wasn't anywhere near overpowered outside first few months

[woven furnace]

Good

[shy sable]

Its cuz they did it right

[solid hinge]

You have google check how much units and money made from bf5

[novel light]

If anything, it was upper average for most of game's cycle

[prime pine]

People are selective over their outrage mani lmao

[jade lintel]

not as much as BF1

[woven furnace]

This game taught me about the Harlem Hellfighters and that was cool

[jade lintel]

I think BF5 only sold abt 8 mil copies

[queen canopy]

Thats still a success...but IIRC its mid-tier for the franchise

[jade lintel]

yeah

[shy sable]

Instead of putting women just like that they added women with the russians saying that the women were a part of the womens battalion of death

[jade lintel]

BF5 wasnt a sucess but it was still good

[queen canopy]

Most people that haven't played BFV have a negative opinion of the game

[jade lintel]

Yeah

[shy sable]

And no one has a problem with black people

[jade lintel]

And they use critisms from launch

[woven furnace]

It seems so. If anything I'd expect the old gamer excuse for playing as a woman "i dont wanna stare at a dude's ass"

[queen canopy]

And thats entirely due to BFV's marketing

[novel light]

From what I recall, if anything, 1 sales were an aberration (in a positive way), historically

[shy sable]

K i got to go yall

Bye

[golden walrus]

continued support and listening to the consumers is what made BFV successful in the end

[jade lintel]

except for racist morons

[jade lintel]

bye

[woven furnace]

I actually...genuinely enjoy BF1's campaigns

[jade lintel]

yeah

[woven furnace]

Usually I wouldn't care about FPS campaigns but this is good

[jade lintel]

BF1s war stories are good

[solid hinge]

Only thing that i disliked about bf1 was clunky weapon selection

[queen canopy]

If you want a fun challenge, abandon the tank after Finch dies in "Through Mud and Blood" and advance on foot

The game lets you do it

[solid hinge]

To many repeated weapons

[jade lintel]

cool

Its called variants

And they add a nice lil bit of variety to the game

[solid hinge]

They brought back metro

[jade lintel]

Like maybe something with more range or damage or ammo

[queen canopy]

oh boy they brought back a solid C-tier map the game is saved

[jade lintel]

lol

[solid hinge]

Ww1 didnt make much guns as you see in bf1 most of them have pre builds

[queen canopy]

pre builds?

[novel light]

Variants kind of felt like an answer to people being clueless about how attachments should be picked in 4

[solid hinge]

Sweeper then sweeper with optic then sweeper with foregrip

[jade lintel]

Yeah

[granite wyvern]

What’s everyone’s fave Conquest maps on BFV?

[prime pine]

Variants eh

[novel light]

1 has the best sight/scope customization from all recent BFs easily though

[queen canopy]

Thats the definition of Variants.

Thats literally the point

How are you not getting this

[jade lintel]

i like the different ironsight zooms in BF1 tho

I hope they bring it back for BF6

[novel light]

Oh yeah, I always ran irons on 2x

[queen canopy]

I don't think its a great system, but its still as intended

[novel light]

Also, aiming reticle variety

[solid hinge]

So bf6 will have m4 foregrip m4 holosight m4 regular?

[jade lintel]

No

[prime pine]

The only interesting variants were when they actually changed how the gun worked. E.g model 8 extended, full auto m1907, m1903 experimental

[queen canopy]

BFV didn't

[jade lintel]

I think itll have attachments

[queen canopy]

We don't know what BF6 is gonna look like

[novel light]

Which saved me from horror of having to use chevrons and post sights

[proven charm]

this too

[jade lintel]

because WW2 guns rarely had any attachments or anything so specs made more sense

[solid hinge]

Bf1 did 🤣 DICE rushed that game quick

[queen canopy]

[proven charm]

dice rushed.. bf1?

[jade lintel]

no they didnt

[solid hinge]

Like bf5

[proven charm]

are you drugged wheeze

[jade lintel]

He is

[queen canopy]

[proven charm]

[prime pine]

[jade lintel]

Next hes gonna say they rushed it after hardline

Im calling it

[prime pine]

Hardline was a fun game

[queen canopy]

BF1 was probably one of the most polished titles on release this series has had

[jade lintel]

yeah

And hardline was pog too

[prime pine]

Bf1 was one of the most stable games in the franchise I have ever played

[jade lintel]

Even if it was unbalanced as shit

[queen canopy]

He calls BF1 rushed and can't understand why people don't like BFV...

[proven charm]

only problem is how long TSNP took to release

[jade lintel]

yeah

[queen canopy]

BFV is the definition of rushed

[jade lintel]

mhm

[proven charm]

but the dlcs were polished af

[solid hinge]

bf1 isnt rushed

[jade lintel]

Yeah russian DLC was amazing

[queen canopy]

Nearly every problem BFV has can be attributed to DICE not having the time they needed

[solid hinge]

Agreed but weapon selection was rushed they could of had customized gun

[jade lintel]

No

[proven charm]

bf1 remains my favourite bf game to this day

[queen canopy]

Thats a nitpick

Thats such a nitpick

[jade lintel]

Weapons in WW1 had like no attachments

And they were going for historical accuracy

[granite wyvern]

My least fave (but only played three)

[queen canopy]

Speaking of which BFV barely has attachments

[prime pine]

They tried a completely different system, calling that rushed just has no weight.

[jade lintel]

So having an attachment system would be kinda weird

[jade lintel]

some thing applies

[proven charm]

BUT MUH REFLEX SIGHTS

[jade lintel]

MUH

MUH HOLO

[solid hinge]

Well not the ones you know but theres thing called R&D

[queen canopy]

m...m...muh....muh ACOG....

[solid hinge]

bf1 is good but i prefer bfv

[jade lintel]

WUH ABUH MOH HOLO SIGHT

[proven charm]

Grug want ACOG in ww1

[prime pine]

It would be nice if specs at least had a physical effect on the gun

[proven charm]

Grug want

[jade lintel]

OOG

[proven charm]

Grug smash rock

[prime pine]

A skeleton stock fg42

[proven charm]

Roaaat

[solid hinge]

Theres old ww1 silencer before ww2

[jade lintel]

ELIAS WANT ACOG IN WW1 GAME

OOG

[proven charm]

caps

[jade lintel]

yeah that they literally never used

[solid hinge]

.......

[proven charm]

but did it work?

[jade lintel]

not well i bet

[solid hinge]

Whats R&D?

[proven charm]

what

[solid hinge]

Omg

[proven charm]

[jade lintel]

you literally just said what RandD was

Do you have memory loss or something

[solid hinge]

........

[queen canopy]

See the difference is that they also could have made BF1 an accurate title, where everyone was given just a bolt action rifle, with none of the things that make BF1 what it is. Saying they "could" have done something is near pointless

[proven charm]

everyone gangsta till dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot

[solid hinge]

Anyways

[jade lintel]

yeah

[novel light]

I actually enjoyed gun balancing in 1 the most

[queen canopy]

At that point we're not talking about BF1

We're talking about hypothetical games

[novel light]

In big part because it fit my own style the most

[jade lintel]

WW1 was basically fought with only bolt actions

[solid hinge]

Yeah they did R&D in ww1

[proven charm]

i loved it too

[queen canopy]

Yes, and that brought us 75% of the guns BF1 has.

[prime pine]

Artillery was a big part of it too

[novel light]

And there was no gun that would dab on people almost regardless of range, like it was the case in 3, 4 and V

[jade lintel]

well i mean for infantry weapons

[proven charm]

everyone gets a bolt action and sits in a trench all game

historical accuracy 100

[jade lintel]

""""""Fun""""""""

[novel light]

I think arty actually caused the most deaths

[queen canopy]

AKA Verdun

[jade lintel]

yes

[prime pine]

I think the germans took mp18s with them for their raiding parties

[golden walrus]

i still play iron sight bolties in BFV

[jade lintel]

I was gonna say verdun

[prime pine]

But im not sure

[proven charm]

woooo party

[jade lintel]

yeah but prolly only a few

[queen canopy]

So wait, Elias, do you think WW1 was fought with a lot of SMGs and Semis?

[prime pine]

Americans even took shotguns

[solid hinge]

Tell me your joking

[novel light]

Yeah, it was part of that late war storm troop doctrine

[scenic zenith]

Yay I found the server

[jade lintel]

...no

[jade lintel]

hello

[golden walrus]

[prime pine]

Welcome!

[scenic zenith]

Hello

[proven charm]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-meme-hot-gif-19426057

welcome seqo

[solid hinge]

Tell me in which time period cause pre war was semi auto

[novel light]

Storm troops were basically an evolution of trench raiders

[jade lintel]

yeah

[novel light]

SMG, sidearm, short melee weapon and a fuckton of grenades

[solid hinge]

Then advance towards years

Auto smg

[proven charm]

what timeline are you in right now

[queen canopy]

WW2 was the first war to see semi-autos in widespread use. 98% of the weapons used by standard infantry in WW1 were sidearms or bolt-action rifles

Or melee, most of the time

[jade lintel]

Semis were invented in like the 1890s i think

[queen canopy]

But basically weren't used for military purposes

[jade lintel]

Yeah

[scenic zenith]

Shovel

[novel light]

And even in WW2 semi-auto was at most a specialist weapon in most of armies other than US

[queen canopy]

Not in any notable use until WW2

[jade lintel]

Until like late WW2

Gewher 43 tokarev and garand

[prime pine]

Pumps and bolt actions are cheaper and have greater reliability i think?

[queen canopy]

Though there were far more SMGs in WW2

[jade lintel]

Aight i gotta go

[prime pine]

See ya

[jade lintel]

Elias is making my head hurt

Bye

[novel light]

Also, matter of ammo management

[queen canopy]

I mean WW1, 1914-1918.

[novel light]

The higher rate of fire, the more likely soldiers are to waste ammunition

So that was a factor in some cases too

[solid hinge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_infantry_weapons_of_World_War_I

[queen canopy]

oh boy wikipedia article

[novel light]

That link means nothing in itself

semis in Great War were VERY sparsely used

And actually more often in the air than on the ground

[solid hinge]

Still used today

[novel light]

Before they figured out how to make MGs work properly with planes

[scenic zenith]

How maany model changes have tanks had in battlefield games

[queen canopy]

What do you mean?

[prime pine]

?

[scenic zenith]

Wait

[proven charm]

literally everything there is bolt action in terms of rifles

[scenic zenith]

So

[solid hinge]

You kids never use wikipedia?

[proven charm]

you just proved our point

[queen canopy]

Anything besides MGs, bolt actions, and sidearms were VERY sparsely used

[scenic zenith]

You guys know the model big bess was in a war story?

[queen canopy]

Most of the guns in BF1 hardly saw use

If they even existed at all

(See: Hellriegel)

[prime pine]

Could just be an end of war british land crawler

[solid hinge]

Like i said smg where used lol bolt action you saying people where sniping

[novel light]

Mondragon is a good example

[queen canopy]

Yes. Yes they were.

[solid hinge]

Ww1 was chaod

[novel light]

Germans had couple thousand, army tried them, turned out they were trash in combat conditions and binned them

[solid hinge]

Chaos

[queen canopy]

Bolt actions were the standard.

[novel light]

And flying corps took them in instead

[prime pine]

Thing about battlefield is that its always had the most experimental to discontoninued to unknown weapons

[queen canopy]

Go watch 1917 and tell me how many SMGs and semis you see @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

Semi auto dude

[queen canopy]

Semis weren't used

[prime pine]

F2000 i think for example has been discontinued yet bf4 a game based in the mid 2020's features it

[queen canopy]

They were experimental at best

[solid hinge]

Wgen was ww1 dude

[novel light]

Semis were a fraction of a percent of personal arms in WW1

[solid hinge]

When

[novel light]

1914-1918

[queen canopy]

1914-1918

[solid hinge]

Good

[proven charm]

2010 - 2056

[prime pine]

Selbstlader 1916 was a very expensive gun and so you basically never saw it

[queen canopy]

There were not Semis in widespread use during WW1

[solid hinge]

Who manufactured guns

[novel light]

Pretty sure 1916 was basically almost air-only too?

Just like Mondragon

[proven charm]

it was something like that

[solid hinge]

Bf1 has them

[proven charm]

the day where like 10k french and British pilots died

in 1 day

[solid hinge]

I play bf1 all the time

[novel light]

I think that was month, not day

[queen canopy]

And BF1 is an awful depiction of WW1 as it was

If you're learning WW1 history from BF1...I'm sorry but you're just fooling yourself

[solid hinge]

Main gun selb gun

[spiral pawn]

I heard Verdun is better

[novel light]

actually, no, I'm talking trash, that was ~400 aircrew lost in a month

[proven charm]

it was an absurd amount in 1 day

[novel light]

Bloody April, 1917

[solid hinge]

Bf1 has good description

[proven charm]

yeah whenever i learn about ww1 in history i learn about a royal marine with a hellriegel and howdah pistol

[novel light]

Here's the thing

[solid hinge]

Maybe its time to shift 60% in school then gaming

[novel light]

BF1 is Great War-based, not Great War-recreating

[queen canopy]

WHAT

PLEASE BE A TROLL

[novel light]

...idk

[solid hinge]

Wish i was a troll

[novel light]

I'm off to do shopping

[proven charm]

cya

[prime pine]

Im getting ready for sleep

Not sleeping yet

[proven charm]

slweep

swleep

[prime pine]

You alright there

[queen canopy]

I do too...holy fuck. Semi automatics were experimental most of the time in WW1, and when they were used they were mostly used for anti-air purposes. They saw basically no use with standard infantry.

[prime pine]

Semis by the time I would assume were still fairly new and expensive

[queen canopy]

Not to mention that almost every SMG in BF1 basically didn't exist or wasn't adopted

The MP-18 is about the only exception to that

[crimson tinsel]

The game would be a lot easier to make if it was just 1 rifle for each faction 😄

[proven charm]

they're just there for gameplay reasons

[prime pine]

There is

[queen canopy]

I know, but this mans saying that its an accurate depiction

[proven charm]

heh

[prime pine]

Theres an infantry variant for the m1903... but thats only in back to basics

[solid hinge]

When your in war you use anything to win

[golden walrus]

are you telling that i can't Avante Savoia my way across the battlefield?

[queen canopy]

bruh

[prime pine]

Closest you got is the experimental which may be switched to bolt

[proven charm]

ok in ww3 ill use a proton rifle to win

even if its not invented

[prime pine]

Laser beam

[queen canopy]

I'm honestly just gonna have to move on, I don't get how someone is this stupid

I hate to say it but holy fuck you just do not understand anything about WW1 do you

[solid hinge]

Still used automatic weapons late in the war

[queen canopy]

Or about how weapon R&D actually works

[queen canopy]

In miniscule numbers, and most of the time they were anti-air use.

Basic research would tell you this.

Go watch 1917 and tell me how many Semi-autos you see

[pine cave]

Smgs are expensive to produce back then

[proven charm]

i still have to fully watch 1917

[queen canopy]

As were semis

[proven charm]

c4 truckers had a movie night where we watched it and my wifi cut out through it

[pine cave]

Yeah

[gray saffron]

I hope bf6 is as fictional and historical unaccurate as flip just so these discussions seize to happen. People using bf1 for their school essays, people mislearning things as facts. Xd

[queen canopy]

Agreed

[solid hinge]

Still used in war......

[queen canopy]

Barely.

[solid hinge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_infantry_weapons_of_World_War_I

[proven charm]

ah yes

the invite spam

[queen canopy]

You already posted that.

[pine cave]

The story is somewhat fictional tbh, since a casualty of 1600 men in an attack was a miracle back then

[solid hinge]

I have a problem

[queen canopy]

@solid hinge Go watch Forgotten Weapons' videos on WW1 weapons

[proven charm]

what be this problem matey

arrr

[queen canopy]

bruh

pirate mode activate

[pine cave]

argh

[solid hinge]

I can’t buy guns with war bonds in battlefield 1 and I can’t buy battlepacks with scraps

[proven charm]

🏴‍☠️

[proven charm]

its been disabled

[solid hinge]

Also it’s Australian guys...it’s the British Royal Navy

Not pirates

[vapid tinsel]

It has?

[solid hinge]

Why i need watch a video when you can research it yourself 🤔

Wait rly?

[proven charm]

we need a !!battlepacks tag for zeppelin

[pine cave]

There’s a bug lately

[solid hinge]

Oh shit

That sucks

[vapid tinsel]

!!bf1

[prime pine]

The video also counts as research

[pine cave]

That people sometimes randomly get like 1000+ battlepacks

[vapid tinsel]

Is there like a !!help

[queen canopy]

Because you're linking an obscure wikipedia list of weapons used in WW1 without actually reading any of the articles

[solid hinge]

Hold up what?

[gray saffron]

Wiki isn't research

[vapid tinsel]

To see all of the things we can do

[solid hinge]

Plus theres some guns in bf1 thats made up

[pine cave]

Yep

It’s true

[solid hinge]

So...they removed it completely

Fuck EA

[flat flicker]

Oh I was wondering if my wifi was bad or something cause I couldn’t buy guns

[solid hinge]

They removed buying things cuz ppl got free stuff

[gray saffron]

Also the forgotten weapons dude helped with the research of guns in bf1 if i recall correctly.

[pine cave]

No, they just disabled it to fix the problem

[flat flicker]

Are they working on fixing it?

Ohh

[vapid tinsel]

The guns aren't made up their what dice thinks they might look like if they had ever been produced

[queen canopy]

I can't open all these battlepacks I wasn't supposed to get and were given to me through a bug! Fuck EA for not letting me exploit the game!

[pine cave]

Like their skins worth anything lol

[solid hinge]

“NO MAKE THEM SPEND MONEY!”
“B-But sir...we can’t?”
“THEN DELETE IT!”

[solid hinge]

Well thats what i said some are made up

[pine cave]

Just give us all the skins for free ffs

[solid hinge]

I just need to do a challenge

Christ mate, it ain’t about skins

[pine cave]

You stopped supporting this game long ago

[queen canopy]

Its about sending a message

[vapid tinsel]

Skins don't do anything except look cool

[vapid tinsel]

We live in a society

[solid hinge]

You got google to your finger tips to do research lol

[pine cave]

Then give them away

Like they did with Star Wars battlefront 2

[solid hinge]

Thats how DICE do research for historical games

[queen canopy]

I have. I've also taken advanced history classes and know that most of the guns in BF1 were barely used

DICE doesn't use google for their research

[vapid tinsel]

I would hope they don't use wikipedia lol

[proven charm]

wdym dice clearly use wikipedia for their research

now add acogs and reflex sights

since wiki.p.9ne.dia said its true that ww1 had these

[vapid tinsel]

Put a rail on a musket

And add acog

[pine cave]

Tactical musket

[vapid tinsel]

Don't forget to velcro a rear sight and lazer

[queen canopy]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these guns didnt exist. I'm saying that they basically didn't see use in any notable numbers for most of the guns in BF1. They are only in BF1 because no one who plays BF would want to play a game based on how the war was ACTUALLY fought.

[vapid tinsel]

When a gun barely used in the war is the default option

[pine cave]

Sometimes you have to sacrifice some historical accuracy to make a fun and enjoyable game

[queen canopy]

Exactly ^

[solid hinge]

you mean u

[queen canopy]

I mean what?

[vapid tinsel]

What is this conversation?

[queen canopy]

I don't even know man

[pine cave]

Yes

[proven charm]

its elias whos smoking from a bong and speaking to us at the same time

[vapid tinsel]

[solid hinge]

Bf6 could have rail gun that shoots nuclear warheads

[queen canopy]

Thought I should add that a number of guns in BF1 basically didn't exist either, such as the Hellriegel

[gray saffron]

Which is why i find it hypocritical of people to say they love bf1 but shit on bfv when they both have their fair share of historical accuracy issues :3

[golden walrus]

are we still going on about this?

[pine cave]

Female soldiers doesn’t make the game more fun

[queen canopy]

yup @golden walrus

[pine cave]

They contribute nothing to the game

[swift vortex]

It does for me

[queen canopy]

They don't detract from it either

[golden walrus]

except a minor immersion loss

[pine cave]

Kinda major tbh

[queen canopy]

Not really, no

[solid hinge]

Stop lying 🤣🤣🤣

I just cant lol

[golden walrus]

ho-

how

[queen canopy]

"I don't want to agree with you or acknowledge that you're right, so I'm going to call you a liar"

[golden walrus]

why would he lie about that?

[queen canopy]

"I can't possibly be wrong...its everyone else who's wrong!"

[uneven hollow]

[solid hinge]

Im stating facts not trying to be "right"

[swift vortex]

Do historyclasses go in depth about details such as which weapons specifically were used and how much?

[pine cave]

Like I don’t hate bfv, I’m just disappointed

[golden walrus]

[proven charm]

yeah gecko stop lying

[pine cave]

It could have been something awesome

[proven charm]

ww1 had m4s

with acogs

but you're LYING.

[golden walrus]

gecko you betta keep it shut before we hear anymore tattle tails

[queen canopy]

But you're not stating facts, semi-automatic weapons saw very limited use in WW1.

[gray saffron]

Not in debt, but depending the history class, they do go in depth.

[queen canopy]

Thats just not a fact.

[swift vortex]

I love bfv, can't play the old ones anymore after it. But it's the gunplay and movement that does it i think

[pine cave]

Gunplay and movement is good indeed

[golden walrus]

this guy thought similar and identical had the same definition

[crimson tinsel]

immersion is many things, could be argued that it increases the immersion for people that want to experience playing a woman

[pine cave]

But the game lack atmosphere or not as much as bf1

[queen canopy]

All because women?

[pine cave]

The introduction of guns crate is good, I like that

[golden walrus]

oh my god, you're so right

[swift vortex]

People talk about the graphics in bfv, that it's not warlike enough. It's like people think it's not sunny or bright in wars. Spoiler: ||it is||

[gray saffron]

What's atmosphere when you're a german soldier in a French tank in the middle of amiens where they never fought in?

[proven charm]

nah theres so many reasons

[queen canopy]

yup

[pine cave]

That’s one thing, the second thing is the graphics are really saturated

It looks too bright

[proven charm]

i haven't seen anyone say bfv is more atmospheric than bf1 so far

would be funny to see

[swift vortex]

I just said it

[solid hinge]

Omg

[queen canopy]

Its almost like the world doesn't automatically grey out when theres a war on

[crimson tinsel]

I think parts of BFV was more atmospheric than parts of BF1 and vice versa

[pine cave]

That’s not the problem tho, you can make the battlefield sunny all you want

[proven charm]

or.. a german soldier in the pacific islands with a type 2a that was used in very limited amount sliding like a person on a rainy football field

[prime pine]

Here's the question. Why would you produce semis which were more expensive at the time when you could just produce a bolt action in big mass.

[pine cave]

But where’s the smoke?

[queen canopy]

Not to mention that the Hellriegel is one of the most widely used weapons in BF1, a gun that, by our knowledge, only exists in three photographs from testing, meaning it likely didn't even work. You think thats an accurate depiction of WW1?

[prime pine]

You'd develop semis for later when you find a way to develop one for cheaper and thats about it. They were a larger part of ww2 as they were more well understood.

Alongside automatics

[crimson tinsel]

Some people feel gain a larger sense of atmosphere from realism while for others it might be music, explosions, amount of players, carnage, dialogue etc. etc.

[pine cave]

Where’s places that got bombed into oblivion?

[gray saffron]

Yeah, so your argument is that they're both as atmospheric. Not one is better than the other and that's my point.

[golden walrus]

shits more common in the game than the Lee Enfield

[queen canopy]

Literally Devastation

[proven charm]

but thats not my argument

[swift vortex]

Imagine if they made bfv without semis tho. Would it sell enough? There has to be a balance. Battlefield is not a war LARP thing. Its not even a milsim. It's arcade

[proven charm]

bf1 is by far more atmospheric on operations with no hud

[prime pine]

Ehhh, just as a game it'd be annoying to not feature semis

As your previous game had them

[queen canopy]

BF1's main selling point is immersion

[gray saffron]

Ww2 was known for semi automatic and automatic weaponry rise though

[proven charm]

fort de vaux for one is very damned atmospheric since there's no vehicles

[prime pine]

Which was the annoyance with medic because they lost semis and gained submachine guns

But eh

[queen canopy]

Which I can't give it enough credit for considering all the historical stuff. Its so easy to overlook because it feels real

[gray saffron]

Ww1 was all about bolties. Automatic gujs were mostly just used stationary

[grave osprey]

Hello everyone

[queen canopy]

Which unfortunately leads to cases of people like Mr. Money over here.

[golden walrus]

i guess i get a heavy sense of atmosphere from realism, hence my statement about the minor immersion loss influenced by the addition of women to the game, it's subjective

[pine cave]

If you want to include women in your game, do it like bf1

[solid hinge]

You said automatic guns never existed in ww1

I given you wikipedia that has sources on it

[queen canopy]

At no point did I say that. I've said that most of the guns in BF1 barely existed IRL, with the only exception for SMGs being the MP-18.

[pine cave]

[queen canopy]

And you read through each and every one of those articles, yes?

[swift vortex]

I don't play strategic a lot, but out of all the tactical maps in bfv, the ones that remind me the most about my war experience are arras, marita and mercury. Especially the dense building areas

[solid hinge]

Well yeah i said some guns where made up some where used

[pine cave]

*were

[queen canopy]

"Some"

[solid hinge]

DICE made up some

[prime pine]

Made up?

[golden walrus]

yes, with a little historical accuracy. in the russian revolution, everyone took arms, including the women

[prime pine]

Which ones

[proud elm]

[pine cave]

Gas grenade is somewhat fictional so...

[solid hinge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_infantry_weapons_of_World_War_I

[queen canopy]

All of the guns in BF1 have some historical record. The thing is, those historical records, most of the time, are restricted to experimental technology

[golden walrus]

better than a gas mortar

[pine cave]

They’re just lazy to change the player models

[vapid tinsel]

I don't think it would be very fun to haul around giant canisters of mustard gas

[proven charm]

there is one

livens projector

[prime pine]

I can literally look up the guns to confirm their existence

[golden walrus]

don't say it

[proven charm]

stationary weapon

[golden walrus]

you said it

[proven charm]

[pine cave]

I said about this earlier

[vapid tinsel]

Every single gun in bf1 was at least made from a prototype in ww1

Non of them are technically made up

[queen canopy]

Exactly

[vapid tinsel]

Just a recreation of what they might have been

[queen canopy]

But the thing is, most of them never made it past the prototype stage

Or were developed too late in the war to see widespread use

[vapid tinsel]

Imagine of the americans had the tommy gun

[queen canopy]

See: RSC M1917, Farquhar-Hill

[swift vortex]

Kinda like how they are (allegedly) gonna incorporate future guns in bf6 which are under development now. It's fine imo

[proven charm]

so in some ways just bringing life back to the person who designed the firearms and said persons creation

[golden walrus]

the tommy gun is in the game btw

[vapid tinsel]

I know

[proven charm]

and annhilator

[prime pine]

Literally the m1919 is just the first ever Thompson

[queen canopy]

Yep

[vapid tinsel]

But in the actual ww1 it was still a prototype

[proven charm]

there's also a mosin m38

which by its name.. was made in 1938

[pine cave]

Broke: hating bfv for historical inaccuracies
Woke: hating bfv because it divided the fanbase

[spare summit]

is anyone else having the issue where the progress for the operation campaign is not being recorded or saved?

[vapid tinsel]

All the guns you get for preordering bfv don't count

[proven charm]

why not

[vapid tinsel]

Because their supposed to be from ww2

[pine cave]

Bfv was a rushed game anyway

[vapid tinsel]

Or before

[proven charm]

per order weapon lives matter

[pine cave]

Hope they make a better ww2 game in the future

[proven charm]

fedorov degtyarev op

[vapid tinsel]

I wish I ordered bfv

[golden walrus]

BF6 will either pull everyone down into the same shithole and bring us together again negatively or it will gorilla glue the fanbase together positively

[solid hinge]

Great now you did research

[vapid tinsel]

Because I really want to try the m1922

[proven charm]

its very cheap to get a code for it

[vapid tinsel]

Really?

[novel light]

...or were too unreliable in the field to be used by infy (Mondragon)

[proven charm]

i wont link you it but you can find it

barely a dollar

[queen canopy]

Bruh I've been trying to say this to you the entire time

[vapid tinsel]

Time to go bargain hunting lol

Maybe later

[queen canopy]

I haven't just done research just now, I've been trying to tell you this the whole time

[vapid tinsel]

I'm so tired

[pine cave]

The future of this franchise is the same as the Arditi’s motto: “o la vittoria, o tutti accoppati “

We either win, all we all die

[vapid tinsel]

Imagine having having less or the same amount of bullets as a revolver, this post was made my SMLE mkIII gang

[golden walrus]

exactly

[vapid tinsel]

That's kinda how war works ngl

[queen canopy]

I don't think its that simple

[prime pine]

Sometimes the victory can be just as bad a defeat

[queen canopy]

BFV is widely looked at as a failure, when in reality it did decently well financially and is the most populated game in the franchise right now

[golden walrus]

they should completely reinvent Battlefield if it is to be successful

[queen canopy]

And frankly takes a lot of steps in the right direction IMO

[prime pine]

Oh I thought it was being said in the real sense nvm lmao

[vapid tinsel]

A 98% casualty rate VICTORY

[swift vortex]

If bfv launched in its current state it would be OK imo. And then follow up with more content and support

[pine cave]

That’s the same for every battlefield games when they’re the newest in their franchise

[queen canopy]

It wasn't for BF1

Not by my experience

BF1 was struggling long before BFV came out

[golden walrus]

it has to be so jam packed full of content within the first 2 years or it will flop

[proven charm]

populated cus its the newest

bf1 had it the same

[queen canopy]

Yeah...sounds like you just have high standards my guy

[proven charm]

bfh had it the same

bf4 had it the same

[pine cave]

See?

[golden walrus]

who? me? yes

[vapid tinsel]

All bf games launch kinda doo doo

[proven charm]

bad launch =/= bad game

[pine cave]

Twee is the most based man in this discord server

[prime pine]

Being honest

September to the end of November was the best period to play bf5

[vapid tinsel]

Based Twee

[golden walrus]

bad launch doesn't mean bad game, look at BFV, it's a decent game with a very rough launch

[prime pine]

I mesn

[golden walrus]

based twee

[queen canopy]

based

[prime pine]

At launch thats where you're gonna get your customers

Weather or not peoplell stick

[proven charm]

thats what =/= means

[prime pine]

Its like fucking up a handshake but your performance slowly increases, no matter how high up you got. Your boss will remember you for the handshake.

[pine cave]

*whether

[queen canopy]

≠

[proven charm]

the =/= basically meaning not equal to

[prime pine]

Weather whether

[queen canopy]

≠ gang

[golden walrus]

3head moment

[queen canopy]

Imagine not being able to type ≠

[pine cave]

How

[prime pine]

Don't do dis to us

[golden walrus]

this symbol yes, i've just never seen it written as =/=

[proven charm]

Imagine not being able to type ≠

expz

[queen canopy]

≠

[proven charm]

ezpz

[solid hinge]

No you werent

[golden walrus]

≠

[queen canopy]

...yes I was.

[proven charm]

≠

[prime pine]

Just give it a break

[pine cave]

Oh my god

[golden walrus]

troll

[solid hinge]

I dont wanna scroll all the way up

[queen canopy]

Well thats not my problem

[pine cave]

Just stop it ok

[prime pine]

The convo was going nowhere and youre bringing it back up for reasons I cannot understand. Just, stop.

[queen canopy]

≠

[proven charm]

elias please stop

[solid hinge]

All im saying in ww1 they where smg used in mid to late war and semi autos

[proven charm]

you're invalidating yourself more and more

[wicked prairie]

I believe the RSC 1917 saw some use?

[proven charm]

every word you say makes you less credible

[wicked prairie]

not a substantial amount, just more than other semi auto rifles*

[solid hinge]

Not trying to be "right" but state facts

[prime pine]

Last warning. STOP

[pine cave]

[queen canopy]

RSC 1917 and the MP-18 are the few exceptions when it comes to semiautos and SMGs respectively, and even they didn't see huge use

[prime pine]

Id reccomend you to as well gecko. Just put it behind us.

[queen canopy]

Everything else pretty much didn't make it past the experimental phase besides bolt actions and heavy MGs

[pine cave]

I wish bfv has codex entries

[solid hinge]

Its still used....thou

[prime pine]

Yeah actually. Codex entries.

They would have added a lot

[queen canopy]

Besides those two, not really

Just drop it dude

[pine cave]

Reading them is a blast

[solid hinge]

I just gave you wikipedia

[queen canopy]

Mods are saying to stop

Just drop it

[pine cave]

Ignore him

[golden walrus]

yes they were used but they weren't nearly as widespread as bolt actions

[prime pine]

Bayonet charge in a modern battlefield anyone?

Would be funny for the memes

[golden walrus]

some of the weapons never even saw combat

[queen canopy]

oh god please no

[prime pine]

Tea. Stop.

[solid hinge]

You meet bullet to the face

[golden walrus]

sure

[prime pine]

Say that to the people I've impaled Elias.

[queen canopy]

[prime pine]

It works sometimes it doesn't

[golden walrus]

i didn't see it, i'm sorry

[prime pine]

All fine

[pine cave]

I love bayoneting people with the Scar

[proven charm]

[prime pine]

Honkidy honk

[solid hinge]

Well depends on which cause in bf1 theres some that where used some never bothered

[prime pine]

For fuck

[solid hinge]

Like in ww2 they had experimental nvg

[golden walrus]

i just said that but it's finished, we're moving on

[pine cave]

Uh oh

[queen canopy]

holy fuck ELIAS

[proven charm]

!!ban @solid hinge stfu

[queen canopy]

Drop

[solid hinge]

Night vision goggles

[pine cave]

Rip my man

[proven charm]

may thou moderators repost this sentence

[golden walrus]

i want attachments for my repair tool

[pine cave]

A scope would be nice

[proven charm]

40x scope on the repair tool

[golden walrus]

please

[pine cave]

Bayonet too

[prime pine]

Flaming repair tool

[queen canopy]

Hollow point repair tool

[solid hinge]

Bf5 should of had night vision scope

[golden walrus]

@golden walrus repair tool attachments when?

[queen canopy]

Literally the M3 Carbine

[golden walrus]

that gun is dumb

[pine cave]

It is

[proven charm]

High Explosive Anti Tank Repair Tool

[golden walrus]

tagged dice, we should get it in the next title

[queen canopy]

when we getting the 🅱️ESH Repair tool though

[pine cave]

Repair Tool Trench

Repair Tool Sweeper

Repair Tool Storm

[queen canopy]

Repair Tool Experimental

[proven charm]

sabot repair tool

[golden walrus]

what if i need a Repair Tool for my Repair Tool?

[pine cave]

Repair Tool Marksman

[solemn panther]

what is the best bf for u ?

[queen canopy]

Personally I prefer BFV

[uneven hollow]

Repair tool plane

[prime pine]

Brrrr

[proven charm]

bf heroes

[prime pine]

BOOM

[crimson tinsel]

Battlefield Vietnam from 2004 was the best Battlefield because it was the Battlefield I had the most fun in probably.

[uneven hollow]

Lad of culture I sense

[solemn panther]

I didn't play a lot of battlefield in my life

just 3 and v

[prime pine]

Actually talk of repair tool... nahh

[crisp bay]

whats better buying: 1.Bf3 and Bf5 or 2.Any call of duty game

[prime pine]

You do know heroes was made before fortnite right

Get bf5 for now

The multiplayer may be bs but at least the matchmaking isn't rigged just cause you're a good player lmao

[crisp bay]

i will buy it when i have money

[solemn panther]

who want play bf5 now ?

[untold aspen]

don't get 5

it's fucked to oblivion

[uneven hollow]

not as much as fallout 76

[queen canopy]

Nah, get V. Its a solid game and a good amount of content for the pricetag.

[uneven hollow]

just buy the game when it’s cheap

[untold aspen]

only content you're going to get is constantly getting killed by people using the same meta guns

[solemn panther]

buy on instant gaming

[uneven hollow]

it’s not bad if it’s cheap

[pine cave]

Wait for sale

[queen canopy]

Metas aren't nearly as pronounced as things like BF1.

[solemn panther]

buy at 60$ its a good price

[untold aspen]

most weapons are viable in bf1

[queen canopy]

Or...you're gonna tell me the StG is meta

[pine cave]

Ah yes, SMG 08/18 and Annihilator Trench

[queen canopy]

That why everyones using the Hellriegel and the SMG 08/18?

[prime pine]

At least on bf5 there's 5 good subbies

Type 2, grease, zk 383, suomi and Thompson

[solemn panther]

what is the best weapon for doc in bf5 pliz

[untold aspen]

type 100 is good though

[prime pine]

Type 100 is eh

[queen canopy]

Type 100 is pretty good yeah

[prime pine]

Theres no definite best weapon but I can advise some really good weapons for the class

[wicked prairie]

honestly, the “meta” weapons for bf1 aren’t really the meta. in bf1 it feels like I can use whatever I want and do good

[prime pine]

Im more versed in support soo I can give a better opinion there

[untold aspen]

this

[prime pine]

You can do the same in bf5

[untold aspen]

you can actually counter the metas in bf1

[wicked prairie]

it will be easier to list the guns not “meta” in bf1 than list the ones that are

[prime pine]

I can run around with an mp40 and get an easy 50 to 60 kills with it, but I usually choose the fg42 which is my child.

[queen canopy]

Ehh, after returning to BF1 recently, its really stupid to me how some weapons are just universally better than others in every way

[wicked prairie]

no

[untold aspen]

damn lost a game 0-6

should've been fun, but it's 5

[queen canopy]

The hellriegel for example is just stupidly more accurate than just about every other SMG

[wicked prairie]

ribeyrolles

is the best smg

hellreigel is overrated

it’s not that good

[queen canopy]

But the Ribey only has 25 rounds, Hellriegel has over twice that and a faster rate of fire

[untold aspen]

zh and krag are universally better than most other snipers

[wicked prairie]

Ribeyrolles can also beam people across the map

[untold aspen]

ribeyrolles has the second highest damage for smgs I think

and a bipod

[wicked prairie]

It’s a laserbeam

And still functions at close range

[queen canopy]

either way thats about 3 viable SMGs total. In BFV, you can realistically do well with just about any SMG

[untold aspen]

mp18 is viable

[wicked prairie]

Automatico is viable

[queen canopy]

I've nearly dropped 100 kills with the Type 100 in one match

[wicked prairie]

MP18 is ok

Anni trench is viable

[untold aspen]

rsc smg is viable if you know how to use it

[prime pine]

The only ones that will give you the most trouble is the sten and mp40 in bf5 but asides from that theyre not too had

Bad

[wicked prairie]

don’t mention the rsc smg

plz

nightmares

[untold aspen]

I saw a guy with 2000+ kills with it

on his dogtag

[wicked prairie]

Also

Almost all the medic rifles are meta

[untold aspen]

how

the autoloading 8 .35 is kinda useless compared to the other medic guns

[wicked prairie]

Um

My most killed weapon is the autoloading

[queen canopy]

Thats not how Meta works

[prime pine]

The only bad guns in bf5 just involve the mp40, sten, and type 97 mg really

Meta often refers to the top

[queen canopy]

The MP-40 and Sten aren't even that bad though

[wicked prairie]

yes, and I’m saying you can be top with most of them

[red garnet]

Yo quick question, I have BF1, should I get BFV?

[queen canopy]

From what I've heard, Meta refers to "Most Effective Tactic Available"

[prime pine]

I won't deny theyre fun as hell to play with, the mp40 and sten

Yes get bf5

[queen canopy]

Give it a shot, especially if you can find it on discount

[red garnet]

Which one do you think is more fun and immersive when it comes to mutliplayer?

[prime pine]

While its easy to say this small group is meta, really theyre the best choices for what they do.

Bf5 is more fun

Less bs

[wicked prairie]

hm

Ok. I’ll reword

[queen canopy]

BF1 nails atmosphere and immersion, but BFV has much better (and faster) gunplay

[wicked prairie]

Almost all of the medic rifles are very good

[red garnet]

Alright, is BFV's FPS better than BF1?

[prime pine]

The fg42 and bar for support are meta yet they don't completely crush everything else

[red garnet]

Or same FPS

[prime pine]

Yes

Bf5 has better gunplay

[red garnet]

Alr

[tame flax]

Imo no but its preference

[red garnet]

I prefer WW2 games so I think I'd enjoy BFV a lot more

[queen canopy]

Be prepared though, you die (and kill) much faster in BFV than in BF1.

[untold aspen]

in what world

[red garnet]

Do they have a sten?

[untold aspen]

does bf5

have faster ttk than bf1

[queen canopy]

Yep

[red garnet]

The sten is my favourite gun from WW2

Alr bet

Thanks guys

[prime pine]

Guns reward control

[queen canopy]

Its the default medic SMG as well

[prime pine]

So you can beam people with them when you learn to control

[queen canopy]

Have you even played BFV?

Its lightning fast compared to BF1

[prime pine]

Also note the higher power creep

[untold aspen]

I'm playing it right now

[prime pine]

Cause you know. Guns go as high as 670 to 720 rpm

[untold aspen]

it really doesn't

[tame flax]

Yeah, the only gun that looks like a beamer in bf1 is the automatico. There are others but less used

[queen canopy]

Having played both BF1 and BFV recently, I can definitively say BFV's is much faster

It was even faster at launch but they slowed it down

[prime pine]

They pretty much slightly slowed it

[queen canopy]

Most ARs/SMGs/Semiauto weapons are 3-5 BTK at close range in BFV

[proven charm]

ar's are a 4btk and smgs are a 5btk (most of them)

3btk for smgs would only go to the greaser

[queen canopy]

Most semis are 3BTK

Or a good portion of them at least

[proven charm]

yeah thats true

all of them are somewhere near 3 btk

then theres the zh and 1906

the 2 single most balanced, fair and fun weapons in bfv /s

[prime pine]

The chauchat is pretty fun too

[proven charm]

its amazing

[prime pine]

Thing is actually pretty well balanced but thats just me saying

[proven charm]

i only use hard hitters in bfv

[gray saffron]

shame the tripoli mag skins are broken for chauchat :<

[proven charm]

yeah jer

the metal bit on every site sucks

[gray saffron]

uhu 😭

[proven charm]

but its got literal physics on it for some reason

[gray saffron]

i have to resort to using the default mag skin

[proven charm]

and its not the same with default

since the mag is the best part of the chauchat

[prime pine]

Hey twee have you seen this

[proven charm]

yup, but ill watch it again

[prime pine]

Oh shit sorry