if you can land the secondary cannons hits on their wings consecutively, it absolutely shreds
#battlefield-legacy-titles
golden walrus
keen prairie
When you get off a good Battlefield 4 rush sesh and realize that's the first time you enjoyed yourself after many months of Warzone
Sheeesh
solid hinge
if you can land the secondary cannons hits on their wings consecutively, it abso...
Yeah
solid hinge
if you can land the secondary cannons hits on their wings consecutively, it abso...
I have a good specialisations set up for it aswell do you want it
golden walrus
I have a good specialisations set up for it aswell do you want it
is it 4x explosive cannons by any chance? 
solid hinge
Probably i dont know what it is but i know its good
tribal aurora
Great news dude! Have fun trying out new stuff 
prisma lichen
6x machine guns > 4x explosive cannons
idk i got more kills with the machine guns than the explosive cannons
prime pine
The explosive mgs are easier to use on infantry
But
More guns makes it easier to defend yourself
prisma lichen
i found the machine guns easier on infantry tbh
id usually do 90 damage with the explosive cannons
prime pine
I miss it when the zeros fire rate was untouched with the 4x to 6x guns
They just tore planes to shrede
But hey, the corsair at least is untouched
prisma lichen
i prefer vehicles in bf5
except when i first started playing
i was a nasty sniper
mmgs are also fun
planes 4eva 
golden walrus
lav madness
that’s fresh
prisma lichen
i stole the enemy little bird in a game of rush once
was the greatest time of my life
prisma lichen
i think with ea play you get the vehicle bundle
o wait u on pc doe
dont they still have it? idk
gilded zenith
Idk what you talking abt
But i like to grind from zero so
Apart from jets and helos
Oh btw i got a 25 killstreak that match
Idk how
prisma lichen
EA Play (formally EA Access) or Origin Access
gilded zenith
I dont have that
prisma lichen
ahhhh gotcha
solid hinge
Who here thinks that all the YouTubers already played BF6
gilded zenith
No they haven't
whole vapor
Who here thinks that all the YouTubers already played BF6
they havent
gilded zenith
Which youtubers your talking about
solid hinge
they havent
Ahhh ur right, Just jackfrags then
eager shore
Which youtubers your talking about
Gotta be Inugami Korone, clearly.
solid hinge
ask the ea or dice staff lol
NDA contract type beat
prisma lichen
is the game in alpha yet?
gilded zenith
No bruh
prisma lichen
waiting for BF6 open beta 
sick prairie
Hi
open jay
waiting for BF6 open beta <:kermit_love:732102254944845835>
it’s only 4-6 months away
prime pine
Open beta be like half a year away
solid hinge
Open beta be like half a year away
It do be comin doe
open jay
beta will probably be in august
prisma lichen
august/sep
south radish
Isnt the open beta usually just 1 month before release?
prisma lichen
ima go check bf5 open beta
open jay
reveal will be anywhere between April and June
prisma lichen
end of august/start of september
open jay
If it hasn’t been revealed by July I’ll be surprised
finite gull
April-May is the range
finite gull
Didn’t EA say that BF6 was releasing holiday 2021?
prisma lichen
I’m expecting a May reveal
Might be earlier
Cause they already have the reveal trailer done
finite gull
I’d like an April reveal but still here’s hoping
open jay
Didn’t EA say that BF6 was releasing holiday 2021?
yes
prisma lichen
Reveal in April and Release in September
prisma lichen
open jay
based on previous releases, probably around mid-late October
finite gull
I wouldn’t mind another November release
open jay
all I can guarantee is that this will overshadow cod
tribal aurora
based on previous releases, probably around mid-late October
or november like bf5..
golden walrus
Reveal in April and Release in September
rumoured reveal for late march
prisma lichen
I’d say teaser late march
open jay
or november like bf5..
most games released in October
prisma lichen
reveal early april
prime pine
Hoping they'll delay it till march
prisma lichen
probably bordering it
open jay
Hoping they'll delay it till march
why
prime pine
So they can iron it out
sour stratus
So it can be polished as much as possible
open jay
I can understand why but still
prisma lichen
I mean
finite gull
Although a Korean War CoD sounds good, they could just shoehorn it in with Cold War since that was kind of one of the proxy conflicts of it
open jay
they were given an entire extra year
prisma lichen
The open beta might help
finite gull
BF6 is gonna have all eyes upon it
prisma lichen
From that point they can figure if they need to polish it more
tribal aurora
all I hope is that it won't be available on older consoles...
golden walrus
all I hope is that it won't be available on older consoles...
why?
open jay
all I hope is that it won't be available on older consoles...
it will but it won’t be developed by DICE
finite gull
all I hope is that it won't be available on older consoles...
That would be financial suicide
prisma lichen
I think they’ll have dedicated servers for next gen consoles
prime pine
Itll be stupid
golden walrus
That would be financial suicide
are we going to have to explain this again?
prime pine
So stupid
open jay
this was confirmed
prisma lichen
i dont want it to be live service aaaaaaaa
open jay
it will be available on last gen consoles
finite gull
are we going to have to explain this again?
I don’t wanna have to explain it
prime pine
S x
prisma lichen
sex
finite gull
Xbox sex
prisma lichen
prime pine
Noooo
south radish
all I hope is that it won't be available on older consoles...
Why would they tho, could they even downscale the game for older consoles? Especially with the scale etc they are hyping.
open jay
but dice isnt developing the PS4 and Xbox 1 versions
golden walrus
I don’t wanna have to explain it
neither
finite gull
Listen as long as the launch is silky smooth unlike cyberpunk I’m gonna be happy
prime pine
Inhibit the higher player cap and keep 32v32 on old gen
tribal aurora
this was confirmed
I'm not quite up to date. Do you have a source?
prisma lichen
im definitely gonna get a next gen console for BF6
finite gull
Yeah but current gen can already handle 100 player combat @prime pine
prime pine
Theyll advertise the new bf on special next gen consoles too I bet
open jay
I'm not quite up to date. Do you have a source?
I don’t have the link give me some time to look for it
prisma lichen
like the battlefield 1 edition xbox? @prime pine
eager shore
Yeah. It's not just player count, but other tech that they'll probably implement into 6.
prime pine
Bf4 and bf5s player counts are the same but actual game is much different
prisma lichen
or battlefield 5
prime pine
Yeah exactly final
prisma lichen
that’d be mint
south radish
Inhibit the higher player cap and keep 32v32 on old gen
Thats one thing they they could do to downscale it, but there is also more things they can do to increasse performance, that i think might be hard to do depending on how the game is in the first place.
golden walrus
Inhibit the higher player cap and keep 32v32 on old gen
last gen can handle higher player counts
prime pine
Because people are still looking for next gen consoles as it literally just started
finite gull
I don’t see why we can’t just increase it from 64 to 88 players
44vs44 would be nice
prime pine
We dont know how big the final count will be
prisma lichen
40v40 would even be good
tribal aurora
I don’t have the link give me some time to look for it
Thanks. Just tag me pls, I'm off for the next few hours
prime pine
40 to 40 or 50 to 50
finite gull
We dont know how big the final count will be
Yeah but the community is dead set for 128 player games
prisma lichen
didnt MW do ground war with 50v50?
prime pine
We still don't know
prisma lichen
that ran well on my xbox one s
open jay
didnt MW do ground war with 50v50?
I thought it was 32v32
prime pine
My biggest issue is that if they go big, are they doing it for the sake of being big or do they actually want to make it bigger
eager shore
that ran well on my xbox one s
Yeah, but Ground War also doesn't have the complicated tech that Battlefield games use.
prime pine
Theyre different games
prisma lichen
if they downscale the game, graphics, destruction and player count will probably be the ones to lose out
ground war maps are smaller compared to battlefield anyway
open jay
also much less open
obtuse glade
Well time to get some kolibri kills
open jay
ground war maps have lots of buildings and barricades and such while BF maps are much more open for vehicles
golden walrus
90%, minimum, of battlefields player base will still be playing previous generation consoles by the release of battlefield 6. by not having the game release on previous generations with the same promises as the next generation editions would be ‘financial suicide’ as @finite gull kindly put it; even more so of a financial suicide if they don’t have cross generation play.
prisma lichen
you can literally get juggernaut by camping with a thermal scope and the AX-50
obtuse glade
kolibri is op
I am on 640 kills rn
open jay
I am on 640 kills rn
bruh
obtuse glade
Would be nice if I could get 700 kills today
open jay
90%, minimum, of battlefields player base will still be playing previous generat...
yea
even if more BF6 players move to next gen
EA isn’t gonna lose their chance at making money
prisma lichen
I’d say Battlefield 7 would be more stable enough for a next gen release
thats like what
3 years away?
4?
idk
solid hinge
The new battlefield being released on old gen would lead to designers having to care how it functions on there, with it's probably reduced playercounts, inferior graphics, etc etc.
This would lead to the new version not being top priority above all else, thus it would be dumbed down.
In regards to how to use the new consoles, I think upping player counts is always more important than graphics or physics or even map size. Many battlefield 4 maps feel relatively empty at 32v32
eager shore
90%, minimum, of battlefields player base will still be playing previous generat...
I can see that. But I can also see DICE trying to put all their chips in a next gen exclusive game to take advantage of the tech in PS5 and XBSeX.
crisp salmon
Both, supporting a game on last gen and new gen, have pro's and con's
open jay
The new battlefield being released on old gen would lead to designers having to ...
Yea golmud is so empty as infantry
solid hinge
Yeah Golmud sucks as infantry
crisp salmon
Supporting both platforms brings you a bit more money from the start
eager shore
Because at this point, PS4 and XBOne will be holding it back.
prisma lichen
I would say downscale map size for last gen as well I guess
crisp salmon
But supporting a game on new gen helps in the long run
prime pine
I reckon like bf4 it'll be the last game for last gen @eager shore
solid hinge
Also I feel battlefield 3 had generally better maps than bf4, as bf3 had sectors of the map that were where infantry went, and other sectors where vehicles dominated, battlefield 4 has a lot of maps that are totally open and it leads to being infantry just feeling like ur a chump
prisma lichen
I’m assuming new gen servers won’t be as full
prime pine
Actually we had hardline
prisma lichen
Dawnbreaker was great for
solid hinge
well, there is an extremely simple solution to new gen servers, cross platform play like CoD
prisma lichen
Infantry n Vehicles
prime pine
But dice didn't make hardline
open jay
Hardline maps were sick though
solid hinge
and if battlefield 6 is not cross plat that's a huge issue
open jay
But dice didn't make hardline
they helped
solid hinge
Yeah hardline maps were dope
prime pine
Hardline was good
prisma lichen
Criterion made hardline?
sour stratus
Visceral
open jay
Criterion made hardline?
Visceral
prisma lichen
Idk
solid hinge
Hardline in general was going the right way I think
prisma lichen
Ahhh ok
prime pine
It had some really interesting maps
proven charm
hardline maps were swag
solid hinge
But if we had 64 v 64 then we could have lots of vehicles, lots of infantry ,and maybe make vehicles more powerful
prime pine
Bank job
proven charm
and had good graphics
proven charm
i liked the night railway map
prime pine
Grow house,
open jay
I’m kinda split about criterion joining the BF6 development team
solid hinge
like if it's 64v64 we could keep vehicle #s the same, but buff them so you actually want to use them
prisma lichen
I’m not really bothered about it
open jay
because on one hand I want a new battlefield
solid hinge
cuz rn in battlefield 4 a lot of vehicles str8 up suck like the transport heli
prisma lichen
im not too big on NFS
open jay
but on the other hand it’s gonna delay NFS
south radish
But if we had 64 v 64 then we could have lots of vehicles, lots of infantry ,and...
64 vs 64 sounds pretty cool, but my worry is if the network performance would be any good. Also if the maps suit it aswell.
prime pine
Transport heli is good, just often ditched lmao
solid hinge
no one cares about NFS
open jay
I’m big on both of those
prisma lichen
maybe thats just me but
open jay
no one cares about NFS
shut
prisma lichen
im assuming battlefield is a bigger IP than NFS
proven charm
transport helos miniguns can shred fighters or attack jets
solid hinge
its true tho
crisp salmon
I fucking hate ppl that use Jets or Helis just to get from a to b
And then intentionally crash the vehicle
while you're inside
south radish
Battlefield: Need for battle
open jay
transport helos miniguns can shred fighters or attack jets
it’s really sad that I have more kills with the transport helis than any other vehicle
prisma lichen
LOL
golden walrus
The new battlefield being released on old gen would lead to designers having to ...
the developers needn’t change much at all for the previous generation. we have seen that previous generation can handle prestigious graphics, for a large scale multiplayer shooter, as so clearly represented by battlefield v. the game runs well. i just can’t see how it would be such a difficult task to increase the in-match player count for last generation consoles with the correct optimisation at hand. of course next generation will have superior graphics, but that could and should be the only difference.
obtuse glade
I just kolibri’d a 150 and he left the game
crisp salmon
needn't..
south radish
I just kolibri’d a 150 and he left the game
gg
open jay
let’s have a new game mode for BF6 where everyone Is zooming around in super cars shooting at each other
prisma lichen
destruction too @golden walrus
solid hinge
@golden walrus nah next gen would more easily handle stupid player counts like 64 v64 or even 128 v 128
prisma lichen
I mean I won’t to blow up skyscrapers next gen
want*
its 3 am
my english is dying
solid hinge
fact is battlefield has only really regressed since bf4
open jay
<@!654354843087011849> nah next gen would more easily handle stupid player count...
to be fair they aren’t familiar with the PS5
golden walrus
destruction too <@!654354843087011849>
reduce the graphical quality of destruction and you have a smooth game for last generation
south radish
<@!654354843087011849> nah next gen would more easily handle stupid player count...
You do have to consider network performance.
open jay
BF4 had the problem where dice didn’t know how to work with the PS4
queen canopy
I'd say BF has made significant progress in a number of ways since BF4
solid hinge
there has been no new technical aspect or gameplay aspect in bf1 or bfv, combined with horrendous marketing for bfv, and overall ww1 -> ww2 is a horrible idea esp when ur ww1 game more looks like ww2 cuz you refused to make bolt actions popular
south radish
I'd say BF has made significant progress in a number of ways since BF4
Yes it has
golden walrus
<@!654354843087011849> nah next gen would more easily handle stupid player count...
yes, it would easily handle higher player counts. that’s not what i’m saying. i’m saying the previous generation can also handle higher player counts as so clearly shown in modern warfare’s warzone
solid hinge
warzone is decentralized
open jay
yea
queen canopy
I've actually been playing a fair amount of BF1 recently
solid hinge
so like you aren't getting player 63's packets 2km north of u
queen canopy
And all its doing is making me realize how much better BFV is 
open jay
also fighting in Warzone is much smaller
solid hinge
so in reality warzone is actually a game where at best u run into maybe 30 guys
and the server doesn't need to send you the other 70
golden walrus
so like you aren't getting player 63's packets 2km north of u
this entirely depends on the scale of the maps that the developers create
open jay
but in WZ there is rumble mode
solid hinge
if everyone dropped into the same spot in warzone, base ps4/xbox one would get sub 20 fps
south radish
And all its doing is making me realize how much better BFV is <:LUL:562440529980...
BF5 has some better sides but overall i would say bf1 is the better battlefield game out of those too
open jay
basically a massive tdm with 100 players
solid hinge
I think bf6 being rush as main mode rather than conquest would be cool
proven charm
every other factor is a complete goldmine for bf1
south radish
basically a massive tdm with 100 players
100p TDM?
solid hinge
Have been realizing what a mistake conquest was in bf4
queen canopy
Don't get me wrong, BF1 isn't a bad game, but my god is the gameplay awful sometimes
golden walrus
if everyone dropped into the same spot in warzone, base ps4/xbox one would get s...
no doubt. with the added player count, map size would have to be increased. double the player count, double the map size.
proven charm
idk i enjoy it alot
open jay
it worked fine on my PS4
south radish
Don't get me wrong, BF1 isn't a bad game, but my god is the gameplay awful somet...
I see. Things like how the weapons work etc... in bf5 is superior imo
queen canopy
Playing more BF1 has made me realize just how much better BFV's gunplay is personally. Not to say the BFV's is perfect, but its SUCH a step in the right direction
proven charm
plus casual players dont really pay attention to the bad sides and instead look at the hundreds upon hundreds of good things bf1 did
open jay
before I learned about RBD I didn’t know why my shots weren’t hitting
south radish
At times bf5 recoil etc is borderline too much but i am overall happy with it ngl
It gives more life to the weapons basicaly
queen canopy
And thats not to mention all the other little QoL things that BFV has over BF1, like being able to throw back grenades or squad revive are both pretty major things that I'm so used to having.
proven charm
meh those are a given for the newest game in the series
open jay
I kinda want standard issue weapons back from BF4
queen canopy
Oh and being able to manually lean or lay down on your back
south radish
And thats not to mention all the other little QoL things that BFV has over BF1, ...
Oh ya those are pretty decent, ngl i kind of miss the revive tool tho.
proven charm
its like calling bf1 dead because bf5 isnt
south radish
Oh and being able to manually lean or lay down on your back
Ah laying on your back really reminded me of r6 lul
prisma lichen
dont add PLD javelins in BF6 ty
queen canopy
I'm not bashing BF1 for not having it, I'm just saying BFV made some major improvements in those areas
south radish
btw another cool thing in bf5 is alot of items have collision vs bullets, say like grenades.
prime pine
@queen canopy being able to nit pick your options and improve your aim
Is a big one too
proven charm
I'm not bashing BF1 for not having it, I'm just saying BFV made some major impro...
oh yeah im not denying it
wide grove
Is bf4 dead?
barren mango
I hated bf1 guns
barren mango
Been playing bf4 this weekend
proven charm
yes
wide grove
hmmm
barren mango
Absolutely
wide grove
Torn between bf1 and bf4
south radish
There is soo much sandbox in bf5 than ever before imo. you can even spawn without weapons as an example, doubt it would be used alot but the fact that its there is amazing.
proven charm
im having a ton of issues with bfv and its specialization system rn and its really annoying me
solid hinge
@golden walrus nah I think, map size does not increase at the same rate of player count, otherwise increasing player count makes no sense anyways
ofc ideal map size is probably a relation where map size is dependent on playercount
but i dont think it's n=n
it's prob n = 2/3 * n or something, not sure what they use to quantify it
but yeah
map size increases at a fraction of player count increase
barren mango
Honestly it depends on the map
solid hinge
in any game
queen canopy
Thats the big complaint I had though, BF1 guns are just impossible to control sometimes. With BFV, if I have an SMG or something and I get into a fight at like medium range, I'm at a disadvantage but I at least can still land shots. With BF1 though, I felt like a lot of the time getting into a fight at like 30m I just had to sit there and let the guy kill me because recoil was near impossible to control, especially if they "suppress" me
solid hinge
yes
barren mango
A map like Silk Road might use more
solid hinge
Silk Road 64v64 would be so dope
barren mango
Thats the big complaint I had though, BF1 guns are just impossible to control so...
Random bullet deviation cough
solid hinge
Metro is way better than locker
queen canopy
Random bullet deviation *cough*
hyup.
barren mango
The disease of bf1
crisp salmon
Both are bad maps.
barren mango
😔
open jay
Metro 64v64 would be hilarious
barren mango
Metro is way better than locker
Agreed
barren mango
Metro 64v64 would be hilarious
Oof
open jay
the embodiment of chaos
proven charm
RBD was in most bf games yet bf1 is hated on for it
barren mango
Even more smoke?
solid hinge
in general bf3 maps are better than bf4
solid hinge
esp base bf4 maps suck
open jay
Even more explosives?
1 rpg shot = 20 kills
barren mango
Base bf 4 maps were okay
solid hinge
also a big problem with bf4 is AA guns can sit outside of the map for enemy team
golden walrus
but i dont think it's n=n
agreed. i over exaggerated. i would suggest a 50% map size increase for a 100% player count increase.
solid hinge
which like
barren mango
1 rpg shot = 20 kills
Yes lol
solid hinge
destroys the game
barren mango
Firing into smoke
solid hinge
AA gun is way too good
solid hinge
and if they sit outside map u cant do anything to them
crisp salmon
that's not really the problem
barren mango
AA is annoying
proven charm
AA gun is way too good
BF5 AA would like to know your location
queen canopy
RBD was in most bf games yet bf1 is hated on for it
I think its because it was most apparent in BF1. I've played a fair amount of BF4 for example, which IIRC has it as well, but didn't feel completely useless at 30m
solid hinge
AA is generally too good anyways
crisp salmon
the problem is that you can't really get away from them
barren mango
Buff
crisp salmon
like
crisp salmon
look at Zavod 311 for example
The AA's just sit in their spawn, overlooking the entire map
solid hinge
also i feel as a response to the 32v32 modes the vehicles in bf4 kinda suck
crisp salmon
You literally can't fly
barren mango
Imagine being able to fly a helicopter on Silk Road
solid hinge
like a tank should take 4 guys to take down, minimum
barren mango
🤣
barren mango
Any tank can kill you from anywhere there
solid hinge
but it feels like in bf4 u kinda just commit suicide if you don't play uber defensively in vehicles
queen canopy
Overall, even with BF4, I felt like there were far fewer deaths that were actually the result of my opponent outperforming me as opposed to me being unable to do anything.
crisp salmon
You shoot at the heli once, flies back to base, AA covers them
gleaming beacon
The carbine damage module sucks and y’all can’t change my mind
proven charm
one word: ace 52 cqb
icy otter
barren mango
The amount of times I died to bf4 environmental damage 😔
solid hinge
carbines generally too good in bf4 yeah
golden walrus
for the brief time that i played bf4 i did not like playing against heli’s 
solid hinge
@golden walrus then just take the AA and sit outside the map
gleaming beacon
At range carbines are trash
barren mango
But let’s all agree on one thing
solid hinge
nothing the helis can do about it at all
barren mango
UCAV is amazing
gleaming beacon
Even at medium
barren mango
😎
gleaming beacon
UCAV is amazing
Fuck ucav
proven charm
At range carbines are trash
theyre not meant for mid range
gleaming beacon
Irl they are tho
gleaming beacon
Which is why the damage module sucks ass
barren mango
😳
proven charm
irl isnt battlefield
barren mango
But honestly
gleaming beacon
Battlefield should make an attempt to be realistic
gleaming beacon
Yes
barren mango
Battlefield should make an attempt to be realistic
Hell nah
I’m only using mostly UCAV today
For all my kills
solid hinge
Realistic games suck bro go play Insurgency Sandstorm or Arma for an example
barren mango
And 50 explosive kills
gleaming beacon
Realistic games suck bro go play Insurgency Sandstorm or Arma for an example
I’m referring to the weapon mechanics
solid hinge
trust me you do not want to play a "realistic" game with 128v128 random console teammates with no mics
barren mango
Yeah
golden walrus
i hear that
solid hinge
alright numero 1 shooting full auto irl is easier than in battlefield
gleaming beacon
They shouldn’t have carbines dropping off at 15 meters
barren mango
Battlefield is more or less a casual game
solid hinge
numero 2 shotguns would be incredibly busted if it were realistic
queen canopy
Battlefield is very much a casual game
solid hinge
numero 3, snipers would suck compared to scoped ARs
barren mango
Yeah
solid hinge
trust me u do not want realistic firearms in games
barren mango
Oh damn made me remember
solid hinge
u do not know what you are saying
digital mauve
wtf we just won 1 - 0 in conquest pacific storm ahahahaha
barren mango
Why is sniping so easy in bf v?
gleaming beacon
I’m basically talking about carbines specifically, the damage module sucks and they should be more like ARs
proven charm
barren mango
When you both run out of ammo in mag
In bf 4
And run around each other spamming F
🤣
Until the animation actually works
queen canopy
I love how that gif is of WW2, but it got put with BF1 since thats the only major "World War" game that was out at the time lol
proven charm
lol
solid hinge
ok fr tho going from ww1 (with really what are ww2 style weapons) straight to ww2, was such a dumb fucking idea
crisp salmon
proof?
gleaming beacon
It fucking better not be
barren mango
Yeah lol
queen canopy
Nah its not lol
barren mango
Bf 6 emotes
sour stratus
Next Battlefield game is F2P and is just like war zone
Proof?
barren mango
Doing that floss on the campers
barren mango
There is literally close to no info regarding bf 6
gleaming beacon
It’s wack
gleaming beacon
The M2 slam is like a kind of mine
gleaming beacon
All rocket launchers in bf 4 suck
And half the carbines
barren mango
I do love leaving 3 anti tank mines on a road which only lets you go through a specific spot
And then at some random time in the round
Getting 4 free kills
I’m just running and suddenly I’m being flushed with points
proven charm
at mines in bf4 are wack
gleaming beacon
Because low and behold, it doesn’t make sense when the SAME caliber, fired from a barrel only SLIGHTLY shorter barrel, has damage drop off at like 15 meters when the other has drop off at way longer
proven charm
IRNV in tanks can detect them
solid hinge
@gleaming beacon yeah but then every gun would be the same
cuz they're all in 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 7.62x51,
pretty much
and all of them have 16" to 24" barrels
and the benefits of an 8" barrel over 16" in battlefield are really not a thing
queen canopy
Its more for balance I think
solid hinge
yeah exactly
tarkov has some serious benefits to short barreled rifles
like if u go in dorms on customs with an 8" barrel it snags less
queen canopy
If BF was all about realism, you wouldn't be able to survive a headshot from anything
solid hinge
trust me bro u dont want ur 24" barrel to snag on a wall in battlefield
it'd suck lol
queen canopy
Or in BFV for example, you wouldn't need to shoot someone multiple times with an M1 Garand because they'd be dead after the first shot to the chest
south radish
If BF was all about realism, you wouldn't be able to survive a headshot from any...
If battlefield was about realism i probably wouldn't play it
solid hinge
you could shoot a guy 20 times in the chest and he'd take no damage
queen canopy
fair enough
solid hinge
if he has lvl 3a plates
i mean he'd be hurting but not like, dying
and then you'd basically end up targeting legs
with the calibers that suck at AP
like Tarkov
trust me u dont want realistic guns in battlefield, tarkov has them, go try that
south radish
It does have its realistic sides but they keep it still arcade like in some aspects imo. Bf5 i consider being the most realistic like game yet. The only main problem i have with bf5 is the ttk.
gilded zenith
IRNV in tanks can detect them
I had to repair my lav twice once when someone had placed at mines
split scarab
gilded zenith
At some flag
uneven hollow
indeed
split scarab
It does have its realistic sides but they keep it still arcade like in some aspe...
I find bfv rly fun now lol since Ive started using the lewis gun
south radish
Things like vehicle animations and soo on i consider realistic like. Wish they excluded those exit vehicle animations, those are pushing it to much imo.
south radish
I find bfv rly fun now lol since Ive started using the lewis gun
Its pretty decent
split scarab
its op lol
split scarab
insta death machine
south radish
lul
night forge
hm
gleaming beacon
and the benefits of an 8" barrel over 16" in battlefield are really not a thing
It’s cool that you and I seem to know about firearms, and basically what I think needs to change in bf6 is pretty much just integrating the carbines and ARs since the difference from 20 to 14.5 really isn’t that much
In the range of average engagement anyways
prime pine
Famas go brrt
gleaming beacon
Use the L85A2 instead
solid hinge
@gleaming beacon so basically there are different ranges that a firearm will pen armor, and different ranges that it will reliably fragment in a human body
For instance M4 with m855 will not reliably fragment past 100m, so it's pretty possible to just poke a hole at 100m or farther with a 14.5 in barrel
Where as if you had that 20" og M16 barrel you get an extra 100m of reliable fragmentation or so
Armor piercing ammunition also leads to generally less reliable fragmentation in the body, and ammo that reliably fragments in the body, will not pen as well
prime pine
Famas is actually good though
solid hinge
Funnily enough if you are wearing body armor, then the m855 or m855a1 ammo is more likely to fragment into your body, because it will tend to spall as it goes through the armor, but if you werent wearing armor it'd be a straight hole
gleaming beacon
Yes but the range of average engagement in game are not at that distance, which is why they should make it a much slighter difference
solid hinge
The goal of modern ammunition is either to pen, or break up in the body and hit as many organs as possible
gleaming beacon
Yep
proven charm
Famas is actually good though
aek is much better and easier to get
solid hinge
so yeah, 14.5" and 20", in a game, aren't a big diff
gleaming beacon
Yeah
proven charm
or scar h for chonky bullets and high dmg
gleaming beacon
Fair
solid hinge
tbh I think they should str8 up remove carbines
prime pine
Famas is something you need to surely kill one person
solid hinge
carbines let any class be decent in every circumstance
gleaming beacon
tbh I think they should str8 up remove carbines
Yes
Just make them slightly less ranged ARs
solid hinge
the medic should just be a mid range god, engi close range, etc etc
just give all carbine class weapons to the medic
and give DMRs to everyone
but im not sure if players would like that
even tho it'd make classes more important
prime pine
Pdws would be nice as all kit
proven charm
yup
prime pine
But idc
proven charm
pdws are quite good
solid hinge
cuz if u meet a vehicle as medic ur fucked
gleaming beacon
Yeah
proven charm
apart from the p90 or something
gleaming beacon
It gets pretty annoying sometimes
echo wren
cuz if u meet a vehicle as medic ur fucked
Plop a smoke grenade
solid hinge
and this leads to playing a vehicle being annoying
prime pine
You play as medic and you encounter a vehicle and youre fucked regardless
solid hinge
and I think engis being allowed to have carbines was a big mistake
it makes medic not matter as much
anyone tell me a good shotgun and sniper to use in bf1
gleaming beacon
Also I cannot explain my rage sometimes after getting shredded by an attack heli on shanghai 30 times in a row
prime pine
But sorta same with vehicles because you're the biggest threat
Infantry to vehicles balance has always been iffy, vehicles are meant to be powerful versus infantry, you have to run
proven charm
anyone tell me a good shotgun and sniper to use in bf1
shotgun: model 10a hunter
sniper: gewehr 98 sniper
prime pine
Vehicles are worth a lot
You take them out, that's a massive piece of fire power gone
uneven hollow
So its Hngra now <:leo:760110335687524423>
Perhaps it is just Hngra
solid hinge
Not really tbh
gleaming beacon
shotgun: model 10a hunter
sniper: gewehr 98 sniper
A5 is underrated
solid hinge
shotgun: model 10a hunter
sniper: gewehr 98 sniper
my hero my legend always there when i need assistance
an LAV can easily die from 2-3 engis
XD
and since 80% of all players are engis
prime pine
If you take out a plane harassing your team, your team has breathing room
If you take out a tank at a crucial point your team have increased chances to win over it
proven charm
LAVs can die from 1 skilled engie
gleaming beacon
Unless said plane is a crappy pilot
proven charm
an engine hit from an rpg-7vZ does like 50 dmg to a lav
prime pine
True but on a 1:1 basis
uneven hollow
but what if you use a plane to sacrifice killing a tank
prime pine
Eh
uneven hollow
gleaming beacon
an engine hit from an rpg-7vZ does like 50 dmg to a lav
Not counting active protection tho
proven charm
pretty sure the rpg has a sabot rocket so the active protection doesnt do anything against it
since no explosive payload
just pure pënetration
gleaming beacon
In game Ive been stopped by it
prime pine
No active protection works regardless
Considering game balance, a big powerful rocket
If you cant check it, everyone may as well not use the smaw
gleaming beacon
Do y’all prefer the SMAW or RPG
proven charm
RPG
proven charm
but smaw in bf3
gleaming beacon
Whut
prime pine
You cant choose your launcher in bf3 anyways
proven charm
you can as an engie
prime pine
Cause default smaw for Americans and rpg for russians
proven charm
yeah i prefer the smaw in general over the rpg in bf3
uneven hollow
Tbh any is fine
prime pine
Think of it like this
Imagine a white basic tube that works in game
When you play either side, it'll have a faction side appropriate skin
So its the same but different
gilded zenith
A good rpg hit from an engi can easily mobilize a lav
And they can then get a second shot out
prime pine
The rpg in bf4 had a larger emphasis on critical hits
proven charm
MBT law is THE infantry rpg
gilded zenith
Why would you use that
proven charm
its so good lol
proven charm
TOW is bad
gilded zenith
But it does like 50dmg to tanks
proven charm
it does like 23 for me
gilded zenith
Well i got 40-50 hits alot
proven charm
i go with HE Shell + canister shell
proven charm
yeah
gilded zenith
Does canister do good dmg against infantry
proven charm
HE Shell + canister shell + active protection + reactive armour
prime pine
The tow is so fucking good
proven charm
meh i like it on the IFV but its plain dogshit in attack helis
south radish
Perhaps it is just Hngra
golden walrus
ace 52 cqb has a BIPOD
that means you can prone camp
golden walrus
i use prone occasionally if i need to either regen or hold an objective that’s overrun
brave coral
no
jagged stag
oh
brave coral
once you've got a gun unlocked you can use it whenever
unless you're playing a community game with custom weapon limits but even then it would just be "no semi auto rifles"
proven charm
yeah theres community servers that restrict certain gun classes
or historically accurate servers
proven charm
holy shit that was one hell of a shot
brave coral
bruh
golden walrus
i have never seen anyone pull one of these in bfv
brave coral
i have never seen anyone pull one of these in bfv
requires a bit of setup because you have to get an assault player into the plane to start with
coral fiber
I Fliegered that dude from the match cuz he left lmao
golden walrus
requires a bit of setup because you have to get an assault player into the plane...
bro i never even thought about that, it’s complex
uneven hollow
You even have the mustang outfit
When dice doesn’t gives you the option to change your pilot so you have to do it yourself
coral fiber
Sickest shit I've ever done on bfv
queen canopy
Now do that with a panzerfaust
brave coral
Now do that with a panzerfaust <:leo:760110335687524423>
sticky grenade 
prime pine
What about tnt?
queen canopy
TNT throwing range is wack
brave coral
i remember this old swbf2015 clip where someone used the jump pack and dropped a proximity mine powerup on... either an airspeeder or an A wing
which took a few seconds to arm then detected the pilot and detonated to kill it
tbh ultimate challenge would probably be the shaped charge lol, since you have to judge the timing for it to arm and throw distance
proven charm
if someone successfully takes down a plane with a type 99 mine ill be mindblown
brave coral
i wonder if you can even OHK it
golden walrus
re-downloaded bf1, anything i should know before i hop back in?
prime pine
On one occasion my zero was destroyed by a sniper - i was barely floating on the ocean on 1 health lmao
coral fiber
I'm still shocked that I even did it lmao
prime pine
The weirdest thing I've been shot by was when I was flying with meme on how a guy shot me with a boys
During wake island
Honestly
Share it on reddit
brave coral
coral fiber
Lol
brave coral
i cn't remember if i noscoped a plane the other day with a kar98 or if i dreamed it lmao
queen canopy
I shot down a plane with a lee-enfield once
But it was a private match so it doesn’t really count
proven charm
i shot down a plane with a selbslader 1916
brave coral
because i don't typically dream/remember them but also i feel like i would have mentioned it here at the time
queen canopy
I used to AT grenade planes in BF1
prime pine
There was a time where I flew into an enemy bomber
proven charm
low flying heavy bomber pilots are kek worthy
queen canopy
Also I hate how AT rocket guns only do like 20 damage to bombers
prime pine
I was busy headed to the resupply station on fjell and was watching my back for fighters, then all of a sudden oh hi there
brave coral
i'm still yet to hit a panzerfaust or bazooka on a plane, but i've taken them down with tank cannons, calliope rockets, field guns, and one time a PIAT... by accident
prime pine
So basically
We all cant hit planes on purpose yet they MIRACLIOUSLY end up in our line of fire
brave coral
So basically
im monke
proven charm
re-downloaded bf1, anything i should know before i hop back in?
player count is lower than before but its rising nowadays
since people are waiting for 6 and bf1 is a fun game to play in waiting
prime pine
Seen this?
Motherfucker aimed for another bomba but hit a completely different target
olive spear
guys in BF5 how do i destroy aircraft?
uneven hollow
Wdym
brave coral
funny you should bring that up right now
proven charm
guys in BF5 how do i destroy aircraft?
fligerfaust, aa tanks, aa stationary weapons
uneven hollow
Planes
bronze karma
Does anyone on BFV have the MAB38 fully Golded. I’m having extreme difficulty trying to do so. I either have to get over7 30m kills in a life or 25 over 30m in a round. Any tips?
olive spear
fligerfaust?
proven charm
if we're talking about stationary weapons:
https://strawpoll.com/w7yb354ku
proven charm
fligerfaust?
a man portable anti air launcher in assault
proven charm
or get in a plane and do the dirty work manually
prime pine
Which includes the flakpanzer, fliegerfaust, flak 38, 40mm aa or valentine aa
The second option is to sit on a fighter and pursue enemy planes.
proven charm
valentine archer gunner seat is pogger
prime pine
Bombers are literally just giant fuck off planes
queen canopy
I meant with planes lol
prime pine
Yeah
queen canopy
Flying an attack plane in BF1 letting my backseat hammer a heavy bomber was fun as shit
proven charm
i dont like jets in bf4 due to the lack of them
prime pine
We might get a function where jets may have a co pilot
daring quartz
Yes
prime pine
Actually
queen canopy
Even though I’ve become absolute ass at flying in BF1
proven charm
the attack planes gunner was basically a second driver
uneven hollow
Co pilots would be pog
prime pine
You guys know on bf3 an bf4 how a tank gunner can SOFLAM?
proven charm
yup
queen canopy
I’d love more teamplay in vehicles
prime pine
Imagine in the new game if theyre doing jets, the co pilot can actually do that.
Yeah exactly
proven charm
ohhh thatd be amazing
prime pine
The pilot can run more powerful rockets in place
proven charm
and give the gunner a 20mm Vulcan and thats a plane crew
queen canopy
Maybe don’t neuter single person use but allow for a big power boost with multiple people
prime pine
Like laser guideds, e,g javelin rockets which can OHK planes
Yeah
Let the main pilot work with their cannons
queen canopy
Kinda like a sloop in SoT
It’s manageable just fine with a single person but an effective 2 man crew can be a force to be reckoned with
prime pine
You guys know that campaign mission in bf3 where you're the co pilot in a jet guiding heatseakers and using the flares?
prime pine
Kek
proven charm
yeah its iconic af
prime pine
Thats what I had in mind minus the flare part
crisp salmon
What about solo players though
prime pine
Yeah angra to be fair youre most likely to take over the pilot seat and kamikaze the jet into a tank
No offence
uneven hollow
is that even a offense
prime pine
I dunno
gilded zenith
Maybe the copilot could do air to ground stuff and spotting
While the pilot does air to air
crisp salmon
what
prime pine
They guide the laser guideds and get massive amounts of points
125 per vehicle kill, 50 per infantry kill
crisp salmon
that's one of the worst idea's I've heard so far
prime pine
Well how else does a co pilot help when the main pilot controls the guns
crisp salmon
You don't need a co-pilot in the first place
brave coral
yeah i think for battlefield the ideal concept for most vehicles is a solo player can handle them just fine but you get an advantage from having a competent co-pilot/gunner/whatever
prime pine
If you give them more flares that way thats sorta just makes solo piloting even worse
proven charm
co-pilot isnt really the word for it
queen canopy
No ones saying to have a required copilot lol
prime pine
The thing about this convo is how do you make team work with out forcing it
proven charm
more or less the gunner
queen canopy
bruh
crisp salmon
No co-pilot
uneven hollow
Here’s the thing way
crisp salmon
Just like in BF3 and 4
prime pine
Actually, like the attack heli. Give the co pilot tv guided missiles on the jet.
gilded zenith
Just go play bf4 if you dont want a copilot
proven charm
^
prime pine
This way you can have team work but not actually force it.
crisp salmon
Just go play bf4 if you dont want a copilot
what
uneven hollow
I’ll try to kamikaze with the given planes/Jets that bf6 had and if I successfully do it that means more kamikazes but if I don’t then I’ll use the planes/jets normally
prime pine
I dont see the problem with a co pilot
queen canopy
Gunner =/= copilot lolmao
gilded zenith
Its the same like with tanks
queen canopy
Pilot seat still has full control of the plane, gunner seat controls more powerful air to ground stuff or missiles or something.
prime pine
But tanks don't need gunners, its such a stupid idea!
gilded zenith
You can tank solo but with a gunner ur much more powerful
gilded zenith
The other guy can jump out, shoot, then repair
prime pine
Its with an attack helicopter
The main pilot just has rockets and tows but the gunner has a 30mm cannon that just SHREDS infantry
gilded zenith
But bf6 attack heli shouldn't be like bf3s
queen canopy
Would be cool for strike aircraft
prime pine
Kek
I dont know what to comment on for AT helis
Theyre incredibly powerful and are an absolute fucking scourge to deal with
queen canopy
I’m gonna get so good at RPGing helis mark my words lol
uneven hollow
Gta has some nice pilot and co pilot helis
prime pine
But at the same time
charred ridge
what’s a good bf1 assault weapon
prime pine
Theyre meant to be an attack heli theyre meant to be scary
queen canopy
what’s a good bf1 assault weapon
Repetierpistole M1912.16 experimental
prime pine
Reckon we may get the SRAW again
languid sinew
@charred ridge automatico hellriegel and smg08/18
gilded zenith
Whats max rank in bf1
queen canopy
159
languid sinew
you should have the automatico then
queen canopy
150*
queen canopy
Shut
prime pine
potent cipher
Any rumors of a new bf game?
Haven’t been following or players for months and months
gilded zenith
Rumors?
queen canopy
Nothing credible @potent cipher
gilded zenith
Theres no rumors it is coming
queen canopy
We’re supposed to start getting official info in the next couple months though
charred ridge
🤨
gilded zenith
Thats exactly what everyone else wants
potent cipher
Or bad company 3, that would be preferred
queen canopy
It’s not confirmed to be modern...but it seems to be the most likely
I think they should let Bad Company sit
solid hinge
i want vietnam
potent cipher
I just really hope it’s good, really liked BF1 when it came out, BFV was okay but got stale for me pretty quick
queen canopy
I’ve already heard 2 wasn’t as good as 1, I’d hate to see them try to reboot it and have it flop
solid hinge
battlefield 1 is a masterpiece
queen canopy
Vietnam is too restrictive of a setting
gilded zenith
Bc1 was console only
charred ridge
battlefield 1 is a masterpiece
yesssir
gilded zenith
Bc2 was great
queen canopy
You get zero map variety
solid hinge
how?
potent cipher
BC2 was one of my favorite games ever
gilded zenith
They did have urban battles in veitnam
queen canopy
It’s Vietnam, your map options are Jungle, more jungle, and the odd urban map thrown in
And that’s it
For a modern title, that’s pitiful
uneven hollow
jungle but caves map
potent cipher
I would like modern, but not sure what conflict
uneven hollow
And caves
queen canopy
Look at the last few games we’ve gotten, they’ve had maps and settings all around the world, creating incredible variety
uneven hollow
With more caves
queen canopy
It’d be a shame to restrict ourselves to pretty much jungle: the game
potent cipher
Just miss the modern weapons, attachments, vehicles, etc but I don’t want anything futuristic
gilded zenith
Meh i wouldnt
queen canopy
If BF1 taught me anything, it’s that experimental weapons are fucking dope
gilded zenith
I dont want to see laser weapons and stuff
charred ridge
W
queen canopy
Not saying laser weapons, that’s why I say near future
Still using bullets, but DICE gets to get creative with gun design
potent cipher
I’d be okay with near future as long as the conflict/weapons are realistic
delicate musk
sheesh
queen canopy
While still throwing in familiar stuff like AKs and M4s and whatever
gilded zenith
Aek
potent cipher
I’d just honestly really like another game to play, going to hopefully buy a PC with my stimulus check and miss having a shooter to play because recently there hasn’t been anything interesting to me
queen canopy
2042 is only about 20 years in the future folks
potent cipher
I’d be fine with 2042, maybe conflict with China lol
queen canopy
Well future technically kicks in tomorrow Hngra
gilded zenith
''only 20 years'' just think about how much the world has developed in the last 20 years
uneven hollow
Well future technically kicks in tomorrow Hngra <:WeSmart:562440529741086721>
but future modern or future future
gilded zenith
And think about the next 20
queen canopy
Ok, but what I’m saying is it’d still be pretty grounded in our present day reality @gilded zenith
We aren’t gonna have HALO tech in 20 years
solid hinge
Ok, but what I’m saying is it’d still be pretty grounded in our present day real...
Who knows what will happen in 20 years
gilded zenith
Well ig if its futuristic they can do whatever they want
queen canopy
That’s the point
If BFV has taught me anything, it’s that DICE wants creative freedom
Future gives them that, setting it close to our present day reality keeps it grounded to an extent
golden walrus
introducing the all new ADVANCED MOVEMENT SYSTEM
gilded zenith
Double jump jetpack
queen canopy
They’re not gonna do exosuits lmao
gilded zenith
Full body armor
queen canopy
Yeah no I’d rather movement stay grounded
south radish
Future gives them that, setting it close to our present day reality keeps it gro...
In what way would you say?
proven charm
same
gilded zenith
Flying tanks
proven charm
AW movement was chaotic af
queen canopy
It’s possible to do future without exosuits, CoD just left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth over that
uneven hollow
Bf2142 had hover tanks right
gilded zenith
I dont get the idea of double jumps and stuff
queen canopy
In what way would you say?
What do you mean?
gilded zenith
And wall riding
south radish
What do you mean?
How would the creativity be limited? That is what i mean.
gilded zenith
I think there was a video of someone getting a tank ontop of the tower in shanghai
queen canopy
Seriously, as a stand-alone game, IW had an excellent campaign and its art design is easily my favorite in the CoD franchise and in most any game I’ve played
solid hinge
It’s possible to do future without exosuits, CoD just left a bad taste in everyo...
Could they do it similar to Titanfall?
golden walrus
Bf2142 had hover tanks right
halo
golden walrus
Battlefield: Andromeda
queen canopy
How would the creativity be limited? That is what i mean.
By setting it in the near future, there’s an extent to which DICE would need to keep things grounded in our reality in terms of world building. The world will look different, but the world we live in today won’t be totally gone, meaning things like M4’s, AKs and whatnot would likely still be around in some form, meaning there’s a degree of familiarity there
queen canopy
Could they do it similar to Titanfall?
Titanfall is distinctly Titanfall, I’d rather DICE stay clear of that
Though Titanfall is very cool
south radish
By setting it in the near future, there’s an extent to which DICE would need to ...
So you saying just different building architecture?