SARS definitely needed at least some degree of horizontal recoil, both to more properly distinguish them and to better balance them against other classes.
#battlefield-legacy-titles
sick hamlet
forest cosmos
to be honest BFV gun variety is surprisngly bad
for a ww2 game
like they have interesting guns yes
gray saffron
which bf has the best variety in your opinion?
lean cosmos
Why is playing the most popular class in Battlefield 1 a crime?
Because it's Assault
forest cosmos
which bf has the best variety in your opinion?
BF4
gray saffron
whoa, punny jokes about battlefield, i love it
south radish
Bf4 had the most weapons to chose from imo
gray saffron
bf4's variety was lacklustre imo. lots of guns were just copy pasted stats
sick hamlet
Most weapons to choose from isn’t the same as variety in terms of how guns actually perform.
Only so many ways to make a meaningful distinction between 6 assault rifles all firing 5.56 at 600 RPM
south radish
bf4's variety was lacklustre imo. lots of guns were just copy pasted stats
Ah ya i can see why you say that
sick hamlet
More is not alway better
south radish
Where’s my sniper M1 garand
PING 
lovley sound that
gray saffron
Where’s my sniper M1 garand
why do you need a m1 garand sniper when you only fly japanese planes?
south radish
why do you need a m1 garand sniper when you only fly japanese planes?
For the ping 
sick hamlet
For Recon in BF4 your choices basically boiled down to “pick whichever has the highest muzzle velocity”
uneven hollow
I like to have varieties
sick hamlet
That or one of the carbines
south radish
hah
gray saffron
(watches a jap plane crash into a tank, explodes and hears ping) oh that's angra
south radish
tight rain
It is not
lean cosmos
Why do Scouts need deodorant?
Cause they're so SMLE
sick hamlet
M3 Infrared was a legit thing.
fervent pivot
such modification
gray saffron
sick hamlet
Though I’d honestly rather it have been a Spec option for the M1.
gray saffron
used heavily in pacific theatre
sick hamlet
Likewise StG-44 should have gotten a spec for its own IR scope
...it was only used heavily in Korea.
The only place in the Pacific the M3 was used was watchmen on Okinawa
proven charm
M3 infrared was used by the US but given to the brits since the muricans didnt find a use for it
sick hamlet
We’re talking maybe 1000 at best used in that case for the Pacific
proven charm
yeah
sick hamlet
It basically looked like M3’s gear in-game.
proven charm
vampire stg44 thingy
sick hamlet
Bigass IR flashlight on top of bigass scope
uneven hollow
vampire stg44 thingy
Indeed that’s the one
sick hamlet
Shoulda been a spec option
finite gull
Yeah but it would still be kinda pointless
There are only two night maps in the game and they require you to play on GO to access them
sick hamlet
Likewise, the STEN with its integral suppressor. Or the suppressed Nagant revolver
uneven hollow
But yet we have an infrared
finite gull
A nagant revolver would’ve been nice
proven charm
gonna go play with the smg 08 in bf1
finite gull
If we had the Soviets
proven charm
fun gun
sick hamlet
What they did to the MP34 is a tragedy.
tight rain
Shame they didnt add soviet guns
finite gull
We got like one
sick hamlet
Likewise the S2-200
tight rain
Would love to use the garbage rod and the svt
sick hamlet
BF1 has more Soviet guns than BFV
proven charm
MP34 is significantly worse than I'd expect it to be as a lvl 16 unlock
finite gull
Likewise the S2-200
Does anyone actually use it?
gray saffron
MP34 is significantly worse than I'd expect it to be as a lvl 16 unlock
one word: BAYONET.
sick hamlet
Does anyone actually use it?
I did back when it had the laser niche
uneven hollow
Yea seen some lads use it
gray saffron
I like its low rof tho
proven charm
i use the 34 for mid range maps
fervent pivot
OH MY HODD
proven charm
no ppsh since we've got the suomi
sick hamlet
The S2-200 in-game clearly has the 25-round magazine of the Hungarian model. They could have gone with that and made it a flat 5 BTK damage model at all ranges and made it unique
finite gull
The closest thing we have to a PPsH 41 is the suomi
sick hamlet
Instead is just worse MG34
fervent pivot
uneven hollow
But yet no frenchy or Italians 
proven charm
Soviets copied the suomi design for the ppsh
finite gull
It hurts even more because the Suomi had a drum mag irl
fervent pivot
71 drum mag
gray saffron
But yet no frenchy or Italians <:Sadcatthumb:577917242617102352>
hanna: EXCUSE MOI?!
fervent pivot
71 bullet
finite gull
And all we get is a chonki mag
sick hamlet
Soviets copied the suomi design for the ppsh
Common myth but actually false. Only the drum was copied.
proven charm
nah the design is completely similar
finite gull
Again, although they would’ve been nice to have they’re ultimately pointless if there is no Eastern Front to use them on
proven charm
air cooled, small in size, identical stock
sick hamlet
The PPSh-41 was a simplified PPD-40 which was developed from the PPD-34
finite gull
Finnish and Russian guns are similar because they both fought in the 30s
sick hamlet
Mechanically the Suomi and PPSh don’t have much in common. It’s like saying the AK is a copy of the StG when that very much ain’t the case and they only share external similarities
proven charm
fair enough lol
finite gull
Only as a specialization
tight rain
Yep
proven charm
yes
tight rain
If you have a bayonet that is
proven charm
for like all the bolt actions, 1 lmg, 1 smg and 1 ar
tight rain
Im an enjoyer of the 42
finite gull
How many kills?
golden ocean
too much
finite gull
I got like 4K with the thing
finite gull
The soldiers at D-Day hate him!
sick hamlet
There was actually a Soviet copy of the Suomi made, the KF-42. But that wasn’t until well into WW2 and didn’t see much use.
finite gull
Keep your French beaches clean with this one simple trick!
tight rain
paper rapids
Damn the free login japanese hat looks so big
sick hamlet
Still wondering why we never got the Type 99 LMG or Type 96.
solid hinge
they should make a battlefield 5 d-day ap
for omaha juno gold sword utah
maybe not
finite gull
they should make a battlefield 5 d-day ap
Never gonna happen
solid hinge
Why
sick hamlet
Also, we got a stealth Benet-Mercie in BFV
tight rain
Cause support for bfV is done
finite gull
We’re not getting anymore content
paper rapids
They stopped supporting 5
paper rapids
Did they ever start 
proven charm
4 factions was disappointing but understandable
solid hinge
yes i wish they had russia
finite gull
I wish I could go back in time and prevent COVID and prevent Sirland from leaving
paper rapids
yes i wish they had russia
Me too
sick hamlet
6 would have been ideal (US, UK, GER, ITA, JPN, USSR)
sick hamlet
Italy is sorely under represented in WW2 games
solid hinge
Yes
sick hamlet
Even though they had some cool shit
finite gull
IDK why but I feel like the inclusion of Italy would be pointless
solid hinge
there is almost no italy
paper rapids
I wouldve liked Italy
solid hinge
me to
finite gull
DICE already has to go out and get all of these specific weapons and tanks and planes from the faction
solid hinge
what is battlefield 6 gonna be?
tight rain
We dunno
solid hinge
i think vietnam maybe
finite gull
And they have to add specs and skins to them
solid hinge
maybe vietnam?
golden ocean
I'm afraid I know
solid hinge
that would maybe be cool
finite gull
Most likely modern
solid hinge
Yes
tight rain
Hardline 2
finite gull
Which is fine
sick hamlet
Eh, Italy gives us the Carcano, the Lanciabombe, the Breda M.30, the P.40, the various Semovente assault guns...
solid hinge
i havent played hardline cause i hate myself
sick hamlet
Granted we have the Carcano carbine already but still
tight rain
Hardline is great
tight rain
Yep
finite gull
Yeah but they really weren’t that significant
They literally were Europe’s soft underbelly
tight rain
Its dead though so i wouldnt bother getting it
golden ocean
Humanoids got upset because it was the only battlefield with police vs gangsters
finite gull
It’s not dead on console 
sour stratus
italy in ww2 be like 🛌
sick hamlet
Italian weapons could have had two damage models because quite a few were made in both 6.5mm and 7.35mm.
finite gull
I love it when I see people get upset that the MG42 takes longer to kill than the Kar98K even though they both use 7.62 Mauser rounds
solid hinge
yeah
finite gull
Like yes, let’s have a two shot kill MG42 I’m sure the player base would love that
tight rain
Yes
solid hinge
i thought the kar98k had higher caliber
sour stratus
ah yes
golden ocean
I love it when I see people get upset that the MG42 takes longer to kill than th...
actually MG42 has shorter TTK than Kar98k
tight rain
I would be a happy man if the 42 could 2 shot a man
solid hinge
but when i found out a 2 shot mmg would be so op
omg i would stop playing battlefield
forever
sick hamlet
A bit more off-putting is that the Volkssturmgewehr and the 1-5 have different damage models despite being the same gun
sweet moss
"8mil mauser"=7.92
sick hamlet
Basically the same for the M1A1, M2, and M3
solid hinge
i dident know that cool
golden ocean
IF BFV was "realistic" (painful) MG42 would OHK anyone at any distance through almost all materials including brick walls
It essentially uses 7.92x57mm but ARMOR PIERCING
solid hinge
if it was realistic getting shot by a kar98k in the head would kill you in 1 shot
sick hamlet
And the Boys AT would do more damage to vehicles while the Panzerbuchse would be a hitscan railgun
finite gull
If BFV was realistic the Tiger 1 would move five feet from spawn then break down from transmission failure
solid hinge
also if you got shto in the leg you would be wounded
sour stratus
if it was realistic we shouldnt be able to get revived after taking a 88mm shell to the head but here we are
solid hinge
Yep
tight rain
Most guns would kill instantly if bfV was realistic
sick hamlet
Seriously, why no granatbuchse spec for Panzerbuchse?
solid hinge
also getting run over bye a tiger
tight rain
A bullet is a bullet
hazy arch
If only there was a community games option where teams could only use country-specific weaponry and uniforms
finite gull
People really do not understand game design
golden ocean
And the Boys AT would do more damage to vehicles while the Panzerbuchse would be...
nah, boys would do 0 damage against tiger and churchill, same with panzerbuchse
finite gull
also getting run over bye a tiger
AFAIK you can’t revive roadkills
solid hinge
bullshit your getting revived after getting shot in the face bye a basooka rounnd
bazooka
you cant?
finite gull
I don’t think so
solid hinge
oh
golden ocean
IF BFV was realitic we could rocket jump in the game
finite gull
bullshit your getting revived after getting shot in the face bye a basooka rounn...
Also Badger reference
solid hinge
mhm
sick hamlet
nah, boys would do 0 damage against tiger and churchill, same with panzerbuchse
True, but the Boys had significantly higher penetrating mass than the Panzerbuchse so if it did penetrate it did considerably more damage.
solid hinge
best yter
sick hamlet
Meanwhile the IRL Panzerbuchse has a 2km/s muzzle velocity
solid hinge
i wish they had the panzershreck in the game
golden ocean
True, but the Boys had significantly higher penetrating mass than the Panzerbuch...
it's not about the penetrating projectile, it was more about shrapnel created from impact
solid hinge
that would be cool
golden ocean
that'd kill the crew
finite gull
It’s in the files and reveal trailer @solid hinge
solid hinge
oh i aint know that
sick hamlet
it's not about the penetrating projectile, it was more about shrapnel created fr...
Which the Boys still made more of than the Panzerbuchse
golden ocean
yes
finite gull
Yes everyone would love spalling in BFV
sick hamlet
Or there’s the Mors AT rifle that doesn’t rely on penetration at all and just goes splat against the armor with soft lead
golden ocean
But panzerbuchse velocity was so fucking stupidly high even with that small ass 7.92mm bullet it would make an unbelieveably hard impact
sick hamlet
But panzerbuchse velocity was so fucking stupidly high even with that small ass ...
True, but the actual damage to the inside wasn’t near as high unless you got a direct hit on a crew member. Hence why they had to develop tear gas for it because it didn’t generate enough shrapnel to incapacitate crew.
golden ocean
And even tho the bullet was smaller if it was filled with tungsten carbide penetrator it could penetrate all WW2 era tanks
It wasnt tho
sick hamlet
Meanwhile Mors don’t care about penetrating armor cause it just smacks hard enough to dislodge a 20-25mm piece of steel on the other side to gib crew
solid hinge
im suprised the allies won the war with all the panzers and tigers
golden ocean
It's all about the (velocity * mass)^bullet material
solid hinge
in playing bf5
brave coral
i mean
sick hamlet
In that case they wanted a projectile that splattered as wide as possible while going as fast as possible to dislodge as big a chunk on the other side as possible
tight rain
There werent a lot of panzers or panthers
brave coral
1300 tiger tanks vs 50k shermans
sick hamlet
Panzer is a catch all term
tight rain
Not to mention they were real gas guzzlers
sick hamlet
And the bulk of Tigers were deployed to the Eastern Front
tight rain
And questionable reliability
gray saffron
tigers etc were super costly to reproduce and germany was fighting on three fronts
glad dirge
The tigers used petrol engines...
golden ocean
If a Tiger wasn't crewed by unexperienced scared kids it could take on 20 shermans at once
glad dirge
All I need to say
sick hamlet
Panthers were almost exclusively deployed to the Eastern Front and there’s only like 3-4 accounts of encounters with King Tigers in Western Europe and those may just be mistaken identity
golden ocean
There were cases when a single tiger outgunned 50 shermans at once
solid hinge
anybody wanna play?
golden ocean
One case to be precise
glad dirge
I love the tiger but even I admit it was a problematic vehicle
It wasn’t the best by any means
sick hamlet
The Tiger is vastly overhyped as a vehicle
glad dirge
Yes
solid hinge
i think the panzer is better
sick hamlet
Point of fact, late model Sherman’s actually had frontal armor effective thickness more or less equal to that of a Tiger
golden ocean
It stats were amazing, but technical problems and bad crews made it bad
And only mid-war tigers were that amazing, they had uber-quality german alloy armored steel
glad dirge
i think the panzer is better
Which one lol
golden ocean
late-war models armors were a lot weaker
uneven hollow
hanna: EXCUSE MOI?!
I mean we need French hunter and Italian gunter
golden ocean
trashcan steel tier armor
sick hamlet
The Tiger had 100mm of near vertical frontal armor that came out to around 110mm. A basic Panzer 4 from about 1942 on had 80mm of vertical frontal armor.
The Shermans with from the E8 on with their 64mm frontal hull came out to around 98mm effective thickness.
golden ocean
even tiger 2
glad dirge
Panzer 1 is better than tiger guys 
sick hamlet
And then there’s the Panther with side hull so thin it was vulnerable to AT rifles
glad dirge
The single panzer 1 at Tobruk with tigers 
sick hamlet
And a turret motor so weak the Panther couldn’t properly traverse the turret on moderate inclines
golden ocean
late war tiger armor was so bad even when shot with a rifle bullet it could chip off and kill crew
sick hamlet
And a final drive that gave out after just 150km while having a maintenance system that basically required removing the entire engine with a crane to get to it.
Imagine having to do a total engine overhaul every 150km.
On average
If it was added to BFV it should have had a unique effect where the engine takes critical damage for every 1 minute of driving or something like that
tight rain
Why would anyone ever want to use it
sick hamlet
Because Panther and big gun
golden ocean
a middle ground between Panzer 4 and Tiger 1
sick hamlet
Despite the 75mm L/70 being kinda pointless
glad dirge
Panther would have been nicer than a flakpanzer
golden ocean
it would have been
sick hamlet
Then again, the Panther did have a gas turbine trialed on it so that could have been fun.
Imagine a Panther as fast as a Puma
glad dirge
There was a handful of flakpanzers used and the Valentine AA wasn’t even a thing from what I can tell
sick hamlet
Valentine AA is a hybrid of a Valentine chassis with a Crusader AA turret
Speaking of, sad we never got the Crusader
Or a 105mm howitzer for the StuG
glad dirge
Since lists of Valentine variants don’t actually have the AA conversion 
sick hamlet
Where muh StuH at DICE?
golden ocean
Do you know what it takes to make y'all come back to BF1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoXAzfy9_ZM
glad dirge
The StuG with a competent crew is so good
proven charm
all it takes to make me play bf1 is to open it
sick hamlet
With the cosmetic model changes they introduced with the Chi-Ha being three tanks in one we could have even had the StuG turn into a Jagdpanzer IV with a 75mm L/70 upgrade
proven charm
great game
golden ocean
I meant come back
sick hamlet
Or the Tiger a King Tiger with a 88mm L/71 upgrade
golden ocean
I can open it too, no need to come back for me
glad dirge
Sturminfantrigeschütz and a panther would be nice enough for me
sick hamlet
Or a Panzer 2
glad dirge
Also dice gib He112
glad dirge
maybe not the 112 since it’s like an older 109
sick hamlet
Gib MkB-41.
golden ocean
dice gib amazing soundtrack with next BF
Like they did with BF1 (ooh) and BFV (ooh)
eargasm
Johan Söderqvist is a living legend
glad dirge
A fw-190 and a hurricane rather than two variants of the 109 and spitfire would be amazing
Just give more specifics options for the current fighters
I want the fw190 the most
glad dirge
Then a he111 and a Lancaster
sick hamlet
GiB AVS-36 with 900 RPM
golden ocean
those you can forget as well
glad dirge
Eastern front...
sick hamlet
GiB AS-44
glad dirge
T-34 
glad dirge
Mosin Nagant 
golden ocean
stop.
sick hamlet
GiB Moist Nuggies
proven charm
fedorov avtomat couldve been added
golden ocean
Nah
sick hamlet
fedorov avtomat couldve been added
If it was I’d hope as an LMG
proven charm
since it was used by the red army due to a lack of MG's
sick hamlet
Federov should honestly have been an LMG in BF1
Giving it to Medic was a big mistake
golden ocean
or even assault
proven charm
Giving it to Medic was a big mistake
I really enjoyed it under medic tbf
sick hamlet
They should have made a Cei-Rigotti extended though. And a Mondragon extended.
golden ocean
But given that it used rifle cartridge support class would've benn the most appropriate
proven charm
it's pretty weak damaging and slow firing so its balanced
mondragon extended would be absolutely poggers
sick hamlet
The Federov was probably the single most damaging thing to interclass balance because it was the return of the medic/assault from BF4.
sick hamlet
After it was introduced suddenly teams were like 60-70% medics with it
golden ocean
#RemoveRandom
sick hamlet
Nah, Federov as LMG with either 4-6 BTK model or flat 5 BTK model like Madsen. Maybe 4 BTK with slower RoF
proven charm
^
glad dirge
Dinner plate 28
proven charm
Could be the second LMR
golden ocean
flat damage model in BF game is something I'd love to see being removed forever
sick hamlet
Flat damage models are very useful for making a weapon unique though and offer ways to balance a weapon you struggle to get otherwise
sick hamlet
Anywho, Breda Model 30 as MMG. 20-round magazine. 540 RPM. 3-4 BTK Chauchat damage model.
Or maybe just 3 BTK flat
wide goblet
The feeling when your landship got track disabled and the enemy team starts swarming you and your buddies.
My most recent Bf1 match
proven charm
Model 30 with a rare chance of jamming since it was so shit
dense bone
flat damage model in BF game is something I'd love to see being removed forever
define flat damage model
golden ocean
MG 42 as a medic weapon with no recoil, unlimited ammo (overheat after 500 bullets) 0s aim time, 0 dispersion, 1BTK damage model and secondary fire mode that makes the weapon shoot explosive rounds
would be a fine addition
dense bone
bleh
golden ocean
define flat damage model
const X BTK
dense bone
so what you control weapons efficiency at range by hrec?
sick hamlet
Madsen Gun has a flat damage model too
Functionally all the bolt actions do as well.
proven charm
fr?
golden ocean
so what you control weapons efficiency at range by hrec?
recoil, zoom and bullet velocity
proven charm
sounds neato
golden ocean
flat dmg model is cancerous in BF game
makes no sense for intermediate and pistol cartridges
proven charm
i thought it went from a 5hk to a 6hk and eventually into the 7s and 8s
dense bone
theres only like.. 3 weapons that have this though
golden ocean
Functionally all the bolt actions do as well.
not all of them, but they do keep the same BTK
IIRC the Krag is flatrash damage model
60
sick hamlet
not all of them, but they do keep the same BTK
That’s why I said functionally. The amount of damage varies but it’s still 2BTK/1 shot headshot
dense bone
for simplicity sake i would only be concerned about btk
golden ocean
Functionally doesn't make a difference unless your target is a medic with healing addiction or damaged
sick hamlet
Which is one of the reasons the sweet spot was one of the best innovations in BF1 as it meaningfully distinguished them. And then there was stuff like the Carcano that had no sweet spot and was only capable of headshots inside 100m but fired super fast while the G.95 did a solid 80 at all ranges.
golden ocean
G.95 had a damage drop-off after like 100m
dense bone
fuuuck sweetspot
proven charm
me too
tribal cairn
Imagine the MG42 with realistic damage
sick hamlet
Sweetspot mechanically brought bolt actions up to par
dense bone
i get this comes off as elitist and its a casual title, but sweet spot is such a casual mechanic
sick hamlet
Casual doesn’t mean bad.
proven charm
this
golden ocean
Imagine the MG42 with realistic damage
I would react with my avatar
sick hamlet
Bolt actions in BF1 are the best balanced of all modern battlefield titles
proven charm
el this is true
dense bone
i dont get this thought process that all weapons need to meet a certain level of ease of use across the board
sick hamlet
Precisely because there’s meaningful differences between them and they were brought up to par with other classes Weapons
maiden fern
anyone really like BF1 here?
golden ocean
It doesn't make a difference what a gameplay mechanic is as long it is a good one
tribal cairn
An MG42 with realistic damage would basically be shredder. It would take the first 3 hits to kill them, and the other 20 rounds in your burst to just give his squad mates PTSD
sick hamlet
i dont get this thought process that all weapons need to meet a certain level of...
Because then you wind up with stuff like semi-auto rifles being better than the bolt-actions and only cosmetic differences between entries in an entire weapon class
dense bone
thats just not the case in bfv
proven charm
anyone really like BF1 here?
yep we all do apart from the rare people who dont
dense bone
which doesnt have sweet spot, but ok
sick hamlet
Hence why the ZH-29 is clearly superior to all bolt actions in BFV
proven charm
^
golden ocean
An MG42 with realistic damage would basically be shredder. It would take the fir...
3 bullets to kill the entire squad and the rest to give the entire enemy team PTSD
dense bone
superior to most
golden ocean
One bullet would make a double kill
dense bone
if youre a good shot you can wreck shit with a bolt
golden ocean
sick hamlet
The consistency of that 2BTK at all ranges is far superior to having the ability to get a one shot headshot
dense bone
skill floor vs skill ceiling
sick hamlet
if youre a good shot you can wreck shit with a bolt
You cannot meaningfully balance an entire weapon class around headshots alone
dense bone
again, you dont need this standardized efficiency metric for all guns
sick hamlet
Even Stodeh performed better with semi autos than bolt actions and he’s a human aimbot
dense bone
lul stodeh
dense bone
dude gets blessed with moronic enemies and has pocket medics
golden ocean
Hence why the ZH-29 is clearly superior to all bolt actions in BFV
not nearly. Can't OHK no matter what if the target is full HP
sick hamlet
not nearly. Can't OHK no matter what if the target is full HP
But that doesn’t matter because it can just double tap
ZH-29 offers far greater consistency
dense bone
adding sweetspot mechanics was just a means to give shitters a gateway into being useful as a sniper because they were shit shots
proven charm
ouch that isnt too nice
dense bone
bf1 was full of wack mechanics, sweetspot is one of them
sick hamlet
As I said, even Stodeh performs better with semi-autos than bolt-actions. And he lands headshots far more consistently than the vast majority of the player base.
golden ocean
adding sweetspot mechanics was just a means to give shitters a gateway into bein...
a counter mechanic to sluggish bullet velocity
proven charm
list the other mechanics
sick hamlet
No other weapon class is balanced solely around headshots
golden ocean
because of which hitting heads from afar was unnaturaly hard and random
proven charm
apart from RBD and sweetspot which are actively being shat on
dense bone
As I said, even Stodeh performs better with semi-autos than bolt-actions. And he...
as i said, you dont need a baseline of efficiency at all, especially in a casual title
golden ocean
unless the target wasn't moving like a paranoic with adhd
sick hamlet
as i said, you dont need a baseline of efficiency at all, especially in a casual...
Yes you do in a class based shooter
dense bone
list the other mechanics
gas/gasmasks, nade spam, behemoths, elites, mortars
dense bone
Yes you do in a class based shooter
no.. you really dont...
sick hamlet
The sweetspot brought Recon up to par with the other classes for the first time in modern Battlefield entries
golden ocean
gas/gasmasks, nade spam, behemoths, elites, mortars
BFV doesn't have any of those
fortunately
sick hamlet
no.. you really dont...
So your solution is to hamper a class with chronically underperforming weapons?
proven charm
gas was counterable, nade spam is a universal issue, behemoths are a good balancing feature, elites are prone to bayonet charges or backstabs and mortars are actively visible so they can be shot by anyone
golden ocean
But elites and behemots were fun actually
dense bone
in a game where you just select loadouts and go out into a sandbox to kill in whichever way you randomly can, theres no need to "bring them up"
sick hamlet
To such an extent that other classes do the role of that class better?
jade lintel
Twee why is your name now literal tree
sick hamlet
See: SARs and Medic carbines
dense bone
BFV doesn't have any of those <:leo:760110335687524423>
thats my point exactly... he asked for other wack mechanics and those are them and thank god they arent in bfv
golden ocean
However elites should'n be balanced around pick-ups but how good you perform in a game
dense bone
So your solution is to hamper a class with chronically underperforming weapons?
my solution is to let people learn to perform or play another class that will benefit their simple ways. barrier to entry is a thing and you dont need to cater to everyone
sick hamlet
If BF1 had MMG mechanics the Villar-Persia would have been a good MMG candidate
golden ocean
If there were elites in next BF I'd be okay with them as long as you could get them the way I described above
jade lintel
Yea honestly elites and behemoths were purely for marketing
sick hamlet
my solution is to let people learn to perform or play another class that will be...
That idiotic really. All other classes had similar ease of use, why would Recon be the one exception and for arbitrary reasons?
dense bone
if you think SARs and medic carbine make recon less relevant idk what to tell you
dense bone
im gonna guess you only consider a classes viability based on their killing potential and ease of use
jade lintel
Yeah prolly
dense bone
the fact that any scrim ive ever played in other than 5v5 has at LEAST a recon in a squad says otherwise
sick hamlet
if you think SARs and medic carbine make recon less relevant idk what to tell yo...
Because they do.
The Jungle Carbine was literally better than every bolt action Recon had inside 100m, and the recoil on SARs so low that with the 3x scope they were better at sniping than designated sniping.
That’s seriously one of the most prominent interclass balance issues of BFV
jade lintel
Well snipers arent supposed to be for 100m
They're supposed to be for about 100-250m
dense bone
if you have to bring up jungle carbines being better under a range that snipers shouldnt really be in... i think you have a problem with your point
sick hamlet
if you have to bring up jungle carbines being better under a range that snipers ...
Yet I imagine you’d be among the first to bitch about Recons not playing the objective
golden ocean
In BFV recons can't even hit me
jade lintel
I agree the jungle carbine is far worse than any sniper rifle at long range (100m+)
dense bone
Yet I imagine you’d be among the first to bitch about Recons not playing the obj...
if i do or do not, that doesnt negate any of my points
golden ocean
As soon as I see the hated scope glint I pretend to have an attack
sick hamlet
And again, the SLRs still outperformed all bolt-actions with the greater consistency
jade lintel
I can't even with this guy
gray saffron
I can't even with this guy
iz fine, just play bf 🙂
sick hamlet
Sweetspots meaningfully differentiated the bolt actions that previously were glorified palette swaps, and actually encouraged them moving closer to the action and playing the objective
uneven hollow
semi auto rifles better than Jungle Carbine and snipers
dense bone
@sick hamlet you know you can also PTFO as a recon?
jade lintel
Hell no angra you are smort
gray saffron
I jest I’m not a brainlet
you're kamilet
golden ocean
kamikaze
not a brainlet
sick hamlet
<:leo:760110335687524423>
When they can spit off the necessary 3-4 shots with minimal recoil and quite often higher muzzle velocity? Yes.
uneven hollow
Me plane smash tank for fun
dense bone
are you stuck in stats from a year ago?
uneven hollow
sick hamlet
are you stuck in stats from a year ago?
MAS-44 has a higher muzzle velocity than any bolt action
proven charm
mas 44 actually has the highest in the game
gray saffron
can a mass-44 two or one tap a person on 250m? ;3
jade lintel
are you stuck in stats from a year ago?
Like half the people that critize BF5 only use points from like around launch
proven charm
but is balanced by dmg
dense bone
MAS-44 has a higher muzzle velocity than any bolt action
with a spec and by 20...
what a reason to outrage...
solid hinge
is this the vcs dead?
sick hamlet
can a mass-44 two or one tap a person on 250m? ;3
No. But it can get the rounds down range and on target before a bolt action can squeeze off a second shot if needed, with less need for lead or compensating for drop.
dense bone
youre talking like... percentage differences like we are talking about someone using a kolibri vs a SAR
jade lintel
No. But it can get the rounds down range and on target before a bolt action can ...
Yeah but what abt spread
gray saffron
you also have to account human error in the mix.
solid hinge
nice nice
jade lintel
Trinova when is the last time you played BF5
gray saffron
then dont place invite :3
solid hinge
is battle field 1 dead 
sick hamlet
Yeah but what abt spread
SARs don’t have meaningful spread of any kind, stemming from lack of horizontal recoil.
proven charm
is battle field 1 dead <a:pain_healing:811181188621795338>
nope
still very alive and running
sick hamlet
The only randomization they have is in vertical recoil
proven charm
id say you adjust your server browser
dense bone
depends on region and platform
solid hinge
i changed
proven charm
but it depends on how late you play at
solid hinge
my region with a vpn and more
dense bone
That idiotic really. All other classes had similar ease of use, why would Recon ...
you know, just bolts having a high skill floor doesnt make the whole class hard...
sick hamlet
you know, just bolts having a high skill floor doesnt make the whole class hard....
Why would I ever use a bolt-action over the greater consistency from the ZH-29?
dense bone
... did you not read your quote and my response?
you said classes have similar ease of use, why cant recon...
when recon does have similar ease of use OUTSIDE of bolts
proven charm
this conversation is just turning into everyone poking at a dead horse
jade lintel
Yeah you could use the M3 infrared, the semi-autos, the pistol carbines, the AT rifles, Recon has so many different types of primarys and all you're gonna say is "hurr durr bolt actions bad." bro use something else then.
dense bone
ironically recon has 2 of what i would consider op and dead easy guns to use in the zh/1906
sick hamlet
... did you not read your quote and my response?
I did.
You’re being deliberately obtuse and pretending that a significant chunk of weapons available to a class being chronically underperforming across multiple game entries isn’t a sign of poor weapon mechanic design.
jade lintel
Can i punch some drywall nyphon
dense bone
as long as its not my walls i dont care what walls you punch
jade lintel
Cuz this guy is so ignorant that it makes me want to scream
jade lintel
as long as its not my walls i dont care what walls you punch
Thanks bro
queen canopy
what the fuck is going on
sick hamlet
Yeah you could use the M3 infrared, the semi-autos, the pistol carbines, the AT ...
No, I’d just rather not have half the weapons in a class be functional palette swaps that are pointless to use
dense bone
what the fuck is going on
dude mad bolts arent easy to use like other weapons basically
proven charm
what the fuck is going on
this
sick hamlet
There’s also the lack of variety between them.
jade lintel
No, I’d just rather not have half the weapons in a class be functional palette s...
uhhh no are you even reading my message
jade lintel
There’s also the lack of variety between them.
There is plenty of variety
sick hamlet
Why would you ever pick the Gewehr 95 over the Kar?
queen canopy
I mean, its a bolt action rifle, you can only have so much variety lolmao
dense bone
uhhh no are you even reading my message
nature of the beast when people want this game to not stray from ww2 too much while also wanting every gun available
queen canopy
Also the Gewehr 95 has a faster rate of fire
sick hamlet
Also the Gewehr 95 has a faster rate of fire
Goes out the window the moment you attach a scope.
jade lintel
Goes out the window the moment you attach a scope.
That doesnt include reloads dingus
dense bone
Why would you ever pick the Gewehr 95 over the Kar?
g95 is more of a closer range bolt for a lot of reasons...
sick hamlet
That doesnt include reloads dingus
Because DPS is how we measure the efficacy of bolt actions apparently
dense bone
kar/krag are "strictly" long range headhunting snipers
jade lintel
Because DPS is how we measure the efficacy of bolt actions apparently
uhh no we're measuring them on all fronts
(except for hipfire obviously)
proven charm
imagine not using the tromboncino with a lattey sight as a medic in 2021
uneven hollow
sick hamlet
Ok, but same goes for the Kar98k
My point is that there’s not much functional variety within the bolt-actions. The same was an issue in BF4 where choice boiled down to “pick whatever has the highest muzzle velocity because it’ll have the greatest consistency”
dense bone
g95 is good if you cant land headshots consistently and want to swap to secondary to finish off a kill while still having decent to good ranged headshot potential
dense bone
My point is that there’s not much functional variety within the bolt-actions. Th...
this is only looking at one aspect of a weapon...
jade lintel
My point is that there’s not much functional variety within the bolt-actions. Th...
Well fair point BF4s bolt actions were way too similar
dense bone
if youre headshot hunting at range, yea thats a huge stat to look into
sick hamlet
Hell, there’s only 3 unique spec trees for them and one of those is unique to only one weapon.
queen canopy
My point is that there’s not much functional variety within the bolt-actions. Th...
And thats largely because bolt action rifles as a concept do not have much functional variety.
golden walrus
lee enfield has the fastest fire rate of the bolt action rifles so that one hits the spot for me
sick hamlet
And thats largely because bolt action rifles as a concept do not have much funct...
Yet BF1 managed greater variety within the class than its predecessor or successor
jade lintel
Honestly i think bolt actions should have different ADS times
golden walrus
it should be slower
dense bone
Yet BF1 managed greater variety within the class than its predecessor or success...
by introducing a stupid mechanic
golden walrus
it should be slower
upgraded only with specs
jade lintel
Like ones that have higher accuracy and muzzle velocity should have slower ADS times
sick hamlet
by introducing a stupid mechanic
You may think so but it finally introduced some much needed depth and variety to the class
queen canopy
It was also still fucking stupid lol
dense bone
You may think so but it finally introduced some much needed depth and variety to...
i would argue recon in bfv has more variety than in bf1..
i mean.. theres some 5 weapon types in recon right now
sick hamlet
TIL: better weapon balance and differentiation is stupid
jade lintel
It was also still fucking stupid lol
The duality of man
queen canopy
"Better weapon balance" Well i shot you between these ranges so its a one shot to the body
too bad your rifle only does that at a shorter range
proven charm
nyphon each bolty in bf1 works in their own ways
dense bone
recon has carbine pistols, slrs, bolts, SAR and anti material rifles
proven charm
thats variety on its own
dense bone
such huge variety in "i can one shot at this range ORRR this range"
sick hamlet
And the two anti material rifles are damn near identical with the same spec trees
jade lintel
recon has carbine pistols, slrs, bolts, SAR and anti material rifles
And also whatever the hell the M3 infrared is
dense bone
And also whatever the hell the M3 infrared is
SAR
jade lintel
ah
queen canopy
Not to mention that some bolt action rifles in BFV can perform better up close than just about any rifle on recon in BF1, as well as having other rifles that can perform just as well at range
sick hamlet
such huge variety in "i can one shot at this range ORRR this range"
Well, considering that you had rifles optimized for short range like the Arisaka vs ones optimized for mid-range like the Lebel it actually introduced proper niches for them
jade lintel
I keep thinking the SAR-21 from BF4 when you say that
placid kettle
Is Battlefield V good? Better than Battlefield I?
queen canopy
Is Battlefield V good? Better than Battlefield I?
In terms of gameplay, I would say yes
dense bone
Is Battlefield V good? Better than Battlefield I?
gameplay yes, everything else no
dense bone
the regulars of this community basically agree on our statements though
i would essentially treat it as a fact honestly
sick hamlet
Hell, there’s the Carcano carbine that lacked a sweet spot at all could only headshot within 100m.
Basically a predecessor to Medic carbines in BFV
Actual variety within a weapon class
Meanwhile, I’m more or less stating the same thing the folks over at Symthic would tell you
You know, the go to weapon mechanic analysis group for Battlefield?
dense bone
thats classic
queen canopy
Well, considering that you had rifles optimized for short range like the Arisaka...
Yet BFV does the exact same thing. Rifles like the Lee-Enfield and Arisaka are excellent up close, especially with ironsights. Rifles like the Kar98k or Krag-Jorgensen dominate at long range. In addition, Self Loading Rifles dominate midrange with consistent 2HKs, not to mention the Trench Carbine being effectively one of the best "SMGs" in the game for close range
dense bone
You know, the go to weapon mechanic analysis group for Battlefield?
kht120 who helped with symthic was a regular here for the longest time, all they did was datamine and present the stats
jade lintel
Yeah and the AT rifles can 1 shot somebody in the body up to 100M
dense bone
a ton of shit he personally said was borderline... questionable to be nice about it
sick hamlet
kht120 who helped with symthic was a regular here for the longest time, all they...
And run analysis.
dense bone
to try to randomly claim credibility by name dropping isnt going to get you far here
hell, i think most will say that probably took away
keen prairie
I just played Battlefield 4 for the first time since like 2015?
Still amazing, runs like a beauty too
queen canopy
I'd say BFV has more variety in the Recon than BF1 by miles when it comes down to it
jade lintel
I know
sick hamlet
to try to randomly claim credibility by name dropping isnt going to get you far ...
So you dispute that an entire class of weapons is chronically underperforming?
proven charm
that one is true gecko now that i see it
jade lintel
I'd say BFV has more variety in the Recon than BF1 by miles when it comes down t...
I agree in BF1 recons only had bolt actions and they were all super similar and BF5 had like 5 different types of primaries for them
dense bone
i dont get the quote for that? that has nothing to do with my statement..
proven charm
i mean what could you give recon in a ww1 game
dense bone
So you dispute that an entire class of weapons is chronically underperforming?
never have, you jump topics randomly dont you?
jade lintel
You only had infantry rifles which sucked and normal snipers
jade lintel
sorry
proven charm
YOU BETTER BE
jade lintel
I mean i didnt like them
queen canopy
Yeah they were good with practice
jade lintel
as much as normal snipers
proven charm
sick hamlet
never have, you jump topics randomly dont you?
Yet, you’re opposed to the very mechanic that left them out of being chronically underperforming
jade lintel
They took a shit ton more skill to use which i dont have
queen canopy
Oh boy time to break out the whataboutisms
dense bone
Yet, you’re opposed to the very mechanic that left them out of being chronically...
yes.. because not every weapon class has to perform relatively the same..
jade lintel
Holy shit trinova go outside and touch some fucking grass
dense bone
youre going in circles
proven charm
i am thonking whether to get the bulldog or ace 23
queen canopy
Yet, you’re opposed to the very mechanic that left them out of being chronically...
because that mechanic was incredibly flawed btw
sick hamlet
yes.. because not every weapon class has to perform relatively the same..
If a weapon class is generally underperforming across all skill levels that’s an indication of poor balancing for that class.
What part of that is so difficult to understand?
dense bone
- it doesnt underperform across all skill levels...
so youre just flat out lying right there
jade lintel
What if maybe the class isn't underperforming and you just don't fucking like that class
dense bone
- for the 4th time, not all weapons HAVE to perform the same
jade lintel
THEN USE ANOTHER ONE
proven charm
can we please talk about something else
queen canopy
"All Skill Levels" inherently means theres a level that is genuinely good and therefore not underperforming lmao
proven charm
thie is getting boring
sick hamlet
1. it doesnt underperform across all skill levels...
...I would suggest looking at global stats for the bolt actions compared to the other weapon classes
proven charm
this has been an hour long convo with no success of an argument on either side
dense bone
if someone has god aim a bolt will drastically benefit them over any other weapon...
jade lintel
can we please talk about something else
Good idea can i reccomend you some BF4 weapons
queen canopy
Has this guy just blocked me or something? He seems awful fond of not responding
jade lintel
Prolly lol
proven charm
Good idea can i reccomend you some BF4 weapons
yup
wary mason
yeehaw
dense bone
...I would suggest looking at global stats for the bolt actions compared to the ...
how does that mean youre not lying?
jade lintel
Name an archyptype and ill give you one
dense bone
like isaid, you change topics a lot
queen canopy
jade lintel
Ach, hans, zis is indeed ze bruh moment.
proven charm
let us conversate about gunter
jade lintel
Who is gunter
dense bone
if bfv not having sweetspot mechanics is any indication what the dev team thought about it idk what to tell you
brave coral
i swear that’s got progressively more deep-fried the more you’ve posted it 
jade lintel
Aight i gotta go
dense bone
i can only hope dice dont go ask a 15 year old of all the mechanics they want in a game again for future bf titles
sick hamlet
how does that mean youre not lying?
If a given weapon is underperforming regardless of player skill level that’s indicative that the weapon itself is not properly balanced. Hell, you can look at the leaderboards for the best players and see their performance stats.
jade lintel
And Trinova maybe "tri" going outside you fucking moron
queen canopy
If a given weapon is underperforming regardless of player skill level that’s ind...
Sorry, whats your definition of "underperfoming"?
dense bone
dont insult the guy
is he missing the part where given the right level of skill you can insta kill anyone at any range?
wary mason
dense bone
which is opposite of "underperforming across all skills"
sick hamlet
Sorry, whats your definition of "underperfoming"?
Given performance relative to other weapon classes. KPM is good metric as it averages out over time and is generally consistent across classes.
dense bone
what even is your metric for performance anyway?
proven charm
And Trinova maybe "tri" going outside you fucking moron
sorry bud but this is too far
queen canopy
Given performance relative to other weapon classes. KPM is good metric as it ave...
Hmm, the single shot rifle gets less kills per minute than a submachine gun? Shocker!
dense bone
lets ignore this is a class based shooter and killing potential isnt the only way to balance a class
sick hamlet
lets ignore this is a class based shooter and killing potential isnt the only wa...
Yet it is one of the key metrics in balancing a weapon class
queen canopy
proven charm
this chat is literally a dumpster fire rn lmao
queen canopy
this chat is literally a dumpster fire rn lmao
do me a favor
dense bone
theres no reasoning with this guy
sick hamlet
Hmm, the single shot rifle gets less kills per minute than a submachine gun? Sho...
SMG, LMG, and AR KPM also drops from time spent getting in range. As I said, it averages out over time.
dense bone
i thought i was stubborn but got damn
ironically, if we are talking about class balance support is wack
queen canopy
What do you mean by time spent getting in range?
Like literal time getting close enough to engage?
south radish
Ngl Hess i never managed to pull of rocket kills like this in bf3/4. Gj
proven charm
spinning duck
sick hamlet
What do you mean by time spent getting in range?
Time spent getting into range is also factored into KPM. So even something like an SMG that can get multiple kills quickly at short range has that averaged out by the need to get in range in the first place.
wary mason
Ngl Hess i never managed to pull of rocket kills like this in bf3/4. Gj <:Happy:...
pulled off 2 in that game
south radish
Damn
dense bone
Time spent getting into range is also factored into KPM. So even something like ...
because spawns and objectives dont commonly share the same exact point..
south radish
Too Good for discord
sick hamlet
Ergo, a player’s KPM with a given weapon class tends to average out around a range of values.
wary mason
I'm slowly uploading all of these to youtube :)
south radish
saw you k/d also, crazy i must say
wary mason
SMH RIPTOR
south radish
queen canopy
But by nature, being in close range is typically going to mean more encounters with enemies (and therefore more kill opportunities), not to mention that the average user of those weapons is going to try to spawn closer to the fight.
icy sluice
dense bone
But by nature, being in close range is typically going to mean more encounters w...
hes also ignoring that you can spawn directly on points where people are and fight instantly
queen canopy
Exactly
south radish
Hess you mainly camp jets with that K/D?
icy sluice
I should upload another emoji later
sick hamlet
But by nature, being in close range is typically going to mean more encounters w...
It’s almost like I said “averages out over time”.
dense bone
but it doesnt average out over time...
queen canopy
It’s almost like I said “averages out over time”.
and its almost like you're comparing two vastly different weapon classes with very different ranges and killing potentials, and KPM is going to be inherently different in accordance with that.
dense bone
you have to naturally spend more time getting into the idea range for a bolt user
this is why your kpm metric is severely flawed
sick hamlet
but it doesnt average out over time...
Yes it does. The spawning on top of a firefight with a squad member is counterbalanced by running between caps, for example.
proven charm
I should upload another emoji later
more raccoon emotes 
icy sluice
Technically, you can pad out KPM by redeploying and waiting for your squad to get into battles and spawn on them, but RIP KD
dense bone
or just spawn on another point
sick hamlet
And the different distances between caps and such is averaged out over time as well as maps change.
wary mason
#streams-and-videos message posted them in #streams-and-videos 😩 @icy sluice
queen canopy
Yes it does. The spawning on top of a firefight with a squad member is counterba...
Don't you think being at longer range with a much slower firing rifle that depending on circumstance can be relatively easy to avoid being killed by is going to have an inherently lower KPM? Remember that whole "averaging out" thing you were talking about?
sick hamlet
Don't you think being at longer range with a much slower firing rifle that depen...
Certainly didn’t in BF1. There they performed on par with all the other weapon classes.
dense bone
gecc, save yourself
south radish
https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/174646583021928460/8196975264534...
Are they supposed to be private?
icy sluice
You can also pad KPM by switching to your building tool but if someone catches you by surprise, you'll have less time to react
brave coral
Are they supposed to be private?
hess did a mistake 
wary mason
Are they supposed to be private?
yeah
south radish
Oh i see
wary mason
gotta keep my uploads consistent instead of just vomiting bunch of them
at once
lul
south radish
icy sluice
I love Hess's vomit
south radish
🤮
sour stratus
Elemau
proven charm
dont anyways us, everyone star it!
queen canopy
Certainly didn’t in BF1. There they performed on par with all the other weapon c...
Because it was crutched by an inherently imbalanced (and arguably RNG based) mechanic that didn't return in the sequel for a reason.
proven charm
out of context messages are great
sick hamlet
Because it was crutched by an inherently imbalanced (and arguably RNG based) mec...
Imbalanced how, given it was performing on par with the other weapon classes?
south radish
Guys dont you see Hess has gotten so many stars before his name is gold
icy sluice
Trust me, it ain't gold
south radish
counterfeit color
queen canopy
Imbalanced in that one of the sole reasons it could perform was "Oh well that guy happens to be x far away, so i can one shot him to the body instead of having to hit him in the head, even though 5 more feet in front of him he'd be fine"
icy sluice
Which weapon class is this discussion about?
queen canopy
Or, in other words, it was exponentially easier to kill at certain ranges just based on a number.
sick hamlet
Or, in other words, it was exponentially easier to kill at certain ranges just b...
And? Still brought the weapons performance up to par with the other weapon classes. That you think it arbitrary doesn’t cease to make it balanced.
sick hamlet
bfv doesnt have sweetspot, i wonder why
Because the BF4 player base bitch and moaned about it essentially.
queen canopy
And? Still brought the weapons performance up to par with the other weapon class...
But it wasn't balanced...two people could both have bolt action rifles, standing completely still. They could shoot each other at the same time, center mass. One could die, one would shrug it off, just because one person's rifle just happened to be in the magical one-hit-kill zone and the other didn't. Where's the balance there?
dense bone
because its universally agreed upon to be a dumb mechanic? considering irl and in game..
proven charm
sick hamlet
But it wasn't balanced...two people could both have bolt action rifles, standing...
In the same way that the various shotguns have different one hit kill ranges?
sick hamlet
because its universally agreed upon to be a dumb mechanic? considering irl and i...
It was derided by players without any consideration for the effects on weapon balance.
dense bone
In the same way that the various shotguns have different one hit kill ranges?
... thats your counter argument? they have different OHK ranges extending out, not random humps...
like are you seriously trying to suggest they are the same thing?
sick hamlet
... thats your counter argument? they have different OHK ranges extending out, n...
Those ranges are no less arbitrary. Likewise the damage drop-off points for other weapons are likewise arbitrary. By definition random humps.
uneven hollow
Starboard be pog
dense bone
i knew you were going to change the goal post instead of answering the question directly
sick hamlet
i knew you were going to change the goal post instead of answering the question ...
I did answer it.
Damage models are inherently arbitrary
dense bone
sure, lets accept that as an answer
that just means sweet spots are MORE inherently arbitrary
you seem to think in absolutes
sick hamlet
that just means sweet spots are MORE inherently arbitrary
Not any moreso than any other weapon class
dense bone
at least ohk ranges arbitrarily extending out is an established damage model
but randomly ramping up and ramping down, with the peak being a ohk... thats a problem
zealous path
smh ill just upload them to streamable with reduced quality <:Kappa:562440529028...
one day ill beat you in a dogfight, today just want my day
you got lucky i wasnt in my prime state
icy sluice
Haha, AA Tank go brrrrt
wary mason
do you have your pitch up on keyboard
wary mason
should do that
icy sluice
I am going to say what my PC controls are for flying and I want you to tell me how weird it is
zealous path
what should my keybinds be
icy sluice
It's all subjective really, just go what feels best for you
wary mason
just bind pitch up to anything that can be held pressed down
sick hamlet
but randomly ramping up and ramping down, with the peak being a ohk... thats a p...
How so? By the end of BF1 they solved the communication of the lethal range problem with the glints they added for scoped rifles
proven charm
wary mason
if you have it on mouse you have to constantly drag the mouse down
and when you have to move your mouse up to keep dragging it down
you lose time
zealous path
ahhh
uneven hollow
zealous path
ya i definetely need to do that
icy sluice
My keybindings are W/S = Pitch, A/D = Roll
zealous path
after i do that ill be able to beat you
proven charm
@icy sluice if you upload this as an emoji ill give you a cookie
its my personal favourite duck spinning gif
icy sluice
Nah
zealous path
uneven hollow
Unless
icy sluice
I might make this into an emoji
paper rapids
lusty
icy sluice
uhh
uneven hollow
I might make this into an emoji
!!when
ruby trailBOT
Soon™
zealous path
damnit
brave coral
paper rapids
He has a good mousepad
proven charm
He has a good mousepad
wary mason
3hp D:
proven charm
im so unlucky so much of the time
paper rapids
He’s just got a better KD
proven charm
i either trade with someone or i get someone to comically low amounts of health
acoustic light
Literally happens to me all the time
zealous path
time to play some bfv at 50 fps and shit graphics 
proven charm
first time using the MG4 there too so im not using that shit again
paper rapids
I remember killing somebody on 1hp 
proven charm
sticking to carbines on support
paper rapids
Just popped my medic infinite health pouch in a game with attrition
acoustic light
I use the L86 for support
proven charm
the LMG's are about as accurate as throwing a napkin at someone
acoustic light
I did use the AWS after I realized how shit the U-100 was but it was probably worse
proven charm
L86 is surprisingly good
paper rapids
time to play some bfv at 50 fps and shit graphics <a:aFeelsOkayMan:5858348418206...
Just get a nintendo switch bro
Superior gaming machine
It also has animal crossing as an exclusive so that’s a plus
radiant willow
Can you get BFv on a switch?
paper rapids
No lol
brave coral
lol
paper rapids
It has like 30fps at max
radiant willow
Oooohhhhh
proven charm
i have bfv on my phone
paper rapids
15 usually
ocean ridge
I recently started playing titanfall 2, its so good
paper rapids
i have bfv on my phone
Used to play it on my iPad Air
ocean ridge
it is like, COD but actaully good
brave coral
i have bfv on my phone
you got any games on your phone?
icy sluice
Just drive around in a car and get insane kills
https://streamable.com/dajpt6
proven charm
i prefer playing bfv on a Wii
radiant willow
And isn’t it supposed to be the FAmiLy fReInDLy console?
icy sluice
Doom and Wolfenstein are on it, so...
paper rapids
it is like, COD but actaully good
Yes
brave coral
Just drive around in a car and get insane kills
https://streamable.com/dajpt6
beep beep
paper rapids
Ea uncancel Titanfall 3 it’s underrated and only now people are realising
I’ll hold your ceo hostage if you refuse 🤕
I really want Titanfall 3 😩
echo geyser
just wondering does bf4 support 32:9 properly ?
paper rapids
I have nothing to lose except my irl kd
brave coral
nah switch is a decent enough console for what it is and it has some nice games, but trying to run a triple A shooter on it is gonna be a struggle to say the least
paper rapids
nah switch is a decent enough console for what it is and it has some nice games,...
1/2 switch is a banger
brave coral
like mine has worse asthma than me trying to run castle crashers i think it'd implode with bfv
paper rapids
It can barely run warframe and fortnite I doubt it can run battlefields menu screen
paper rapids
Somehow I has the ruby red devil pistol
How did people get sexy pistols
uneven hollow
It’s pretty sus didn’t knew I got it
i was looking at my company and says there’s something new on my side arms ¯_(ツ)_/¯
paper rapids
I never got a pistol that isn’t default #sadness
brave coral
red devil gun skins are meh
proven charm
silver plated doe
brave coral
the other two deluxe ones were nicer
proven charm
brave coral
red devil outfit on the other hand? 
uneven hollow
What black magic and dark sorcery is this
paper rapids
silver plated doe
I wanted that on the M1911 or the Mark 6 revolver if that’s even a thing
brave coral
silver plated m1911 is the only one of it's kind
icy sluice
Blockade Runner is a nice set
brave coral
there's only 3 pistol skins that were ever attainable for unlock in MP
icy sluice
The headgear for Blockade Runner goes well with the Denison Camo tops
brave coral
yeah would love that beanie
brave coral
nah was deluxe
icy sluice
It just gets added to Your Company as an Airlift
brave coral
the beanie from death in the afternoon looks like its been washed 50 times
uneven hollow
I mean am I gonna get the blockade runner headgear soon or 
brave coral
wait did you get deluxe edition or
uneven hollow
Well I did won the deluxe during the giveaway
uneven hollow
so the red devil skins where also from deluxe then right
brave coral
yeah
proven charm
how lucky do you have to be to win a giveaway
brave coral
fairly
proven charm
its like a 1 in 2k chance to win
uneven hollow
how lucky do you have to be to win a giveaway
Really lucky
tough wasp
the only thing i dont like about bf5 is the ww2 setting but i cant really see a modern battlefield it just seems unnatural
proven charm
angra did you by chance find a 4 leafed clover before you won the giveaway
uneven hollow
No
icy sluice
I got deluxe, I still use all of the skins given to me from it
zealous path
3
proven charm
4
icy sluice
I personally enjoy V the most atm
proven charm
i love how it went 3,4 and 5
solid hinge
In your opinions, which is the best bf game?
3 and 4
I play 4 now more because 3 can’t redownload and it’s bullshit
gray saffron
dweluxe wasn't as bad as people said imo. they expected premium pass content or something for 20 bucks.
solid hinge
I literally got premium free xD
gray saffron
for bf1/4? those weren given for free yeah :3
icy sluice
inb4 next Battlefield is Battlefield 5
gray glade
i usually think the latest battlefield is the best one
i've found i never wanted to "go back" to the last one
proven charm
that's usually the case but i dont truly have a favourite bf game
all are so fun
so why pick a certain one
gray saffron
inb4 next Battlefield is Battlefield 5
"and now we announce the REAL followup to the battlefield franchise"
proven charm
spends 3 hours downloading hardline
origin: The game Battlefield™ Hardline Ultimate Edition does not appear to be installed. Please install it or try relaunching the game.
gray saffron
and did you just say uwu
no owo
proven charm
btw jer deposit your 20k in c4 truck
gray saffron
what 20k?
gray saffron
😄
zealous path
gray saffron
money is meant to spend
zealous path
lol
uneven hollow
What about outfit cosmetics wise