battlefield-legacy-titles

[timid fractal]

[split scarab]

anyways why are you in the server if its just to piss on games

[timid fractal]

There is no need to bully

[sour stratus]

Same could be said to you

[split scarab]

ya I totally bully you

go cry to mommy

[prime pine]

Talk shit get smacked

Anyways

[sour stratus]

Autocannon in the G2 bad

[prime pine]

Haha

[split scarab]

hahhaa

[prime pine]

The minenschoss?

[timid fractal]

Go suk sm dks gei azz vagg

[sour stratus]

Yes

[prime pine]

Yeah previously it was alright

On the g6 when it had flares

[timid fractal]

XD

[prime pine]

It was actually good ground support

[sour stratus]

Now it's not great

[prime pine]

Now the g6 is just an all rounder in the worst kind of way

[sour stratus]

It's useless against planes

[prime pine]

The g2 just had 4 guns and that was all you needed

In the past

Before they changed them up

Honestly the german planes are so boring now

[split scarab]

whats the best?

[prime pine]

G6 and 88c

[sour stratus]

It's either the g6 or ju88

[prime pine]

G6 has the hmgs and rockets while the 88c has the spotting cam and cannon.

[timid fractal]

Smart azz kidz

[split scarab]

what do you think is the best guns for each class, since I need to know what to unlock

[prime pine]

Assault.
Stg 1-5.
Mas 44.
Stg 44.
M1907 sf.

[sour stratus]

The m2 carbine is also good

[split scarab]

ok thx

[sour stratus]

Atleast for me

[prime pine]

Medic;
Suomi, Fast bolt zk 383, Grease gun, Tommy, Type 2 a

Support;
Bren, Fg42, Lewis gun, Chauchat, Type 11, Bar

This is borderline spam

Hang on

[split scarab]

lewis gun is a bit toxic imo

[sour stratus]

Nah

[prime pine]

For recon well

Lee, g95, trench carbine, krag, zh 29

The lewis gun is annoying but whatever

[split scarab]

I use the krag as a main for recon

[wet fossil]

Goddammit what does it take to not bounce shells off Chi-Has.

They're so weirdly angled that half my shots just skim them

[solid hinge]

hello :)

[wet fossil]

Meanwhile, Shermans are enormous and are all straight edges...

[prime pine]

Hey ivan!

[solid hinge]

hello :D

how are ya lads

[prime pine]

Im good, Heavy day today but whatever

You?

[solid hinge]

I'm alive

[prime pine]

Yeet

Don't worry, heavy days are normal haha

[solid hinge]

hi

hello

[solid hinge]

it's not a heavy day today actually

[prime pine]

Ahhh

[solid hinge]

xddd

[livid scaffold]

hello guys first time here

[sour stratus]

Welcome

[split scarab]

hello

[livid scaffold]

thx, so which bf title you guys prefer?

[solid hinge]

4

[split scarab]

1

[solid hinge]

= 3

:D

[livid scaffold]

👍

[solid hinge]

thanks

[split scarab]

nice

[sour stratus]

5

[livid scaffold]

bf3 was my first one, I grinded bf4 as hell but really couldn't catch up with the newer titles. I really hope bf6 will be like a mixture of bf3 and bf4. I swear singleplayer in bf3 was awesome!

[split scarab]

so you didn't play bf1 and V?

bf3 and bf4 are regarded as awesome

[solid hinge]

bf3's campaign was good yeah

bf4's was kinda shit

[split scarab]

yeah

bf1's was nice

bfv's was trash

[sour stratus]

BF4 campaign was shit

[solid hinge]

that's what i said

don't copy me >:(

[livid scaffold]

I played bf3,4,hardline,1 and 5

love the bf universe

[split scarab]

nice

[livid scaffold]

So if you wanna play a match I am ready. and located in EU West

[split scarab]

we have a looking for game channel btw

just so you know

if you wanna find a game

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[livid scaffold]

ohh sheesh thx buddy!

[acoustic linden]

hmm

[static flame]

Yo fellas

What’s the discord for the BF1 Easter egg?

[solid hinge]

discord.gg/bfee

go to #bf1-unlocks-guide

[static flame]

Thanks feller

[acoustic oak]

Is it possible to add black bars to your bfv game? (I want to because I have an odd monitor resolution)

[gilded zenith]

What do you mean

[acoustic oak]

So I want to have black bars on the left and right side of my game

I dont want the game to stretch it

[gilded zenith]

Oh

What gpu do you have

[acoustic oak]

1080

[gilded zenith]

I think you can change it from the intel graphics settings if you have that

Right click on ur desktop and see if theres like an intel graphics thing

[acoustic oak]

I dont have a intel gpu

[gilded zenith]

Then just look up at google for the res and aspect ratio you want

[solid hinge]

probably do it with monitor settings on the actual monitor itself .. also #technology please

[acoustic oak]

This is a bf issue

this should be the right channel...

[gilded zenith]

No

[solid hinge]

its not

[acoustic oak]

forget it.

[gilded zenith]

The thing ur trying to do cant be done in battlefield

[acoustic oak]

cool.

[solid hinge]

like i said, in the real world on the actual monitor should be some controls on the firmware that will allow you to do that

same place as contrast, brightness

[half canyon]

you ever get a really damn good play in bf and then realize you didnt clip it?

like when i took out an entire objective with a luger in bf1

[obtuse glade]

Yes.

[half canyon]

is carlós acceptable in this server

because apparently 9 year old on xbox live isnt

[sour stratus]

It's probably the ó

[half canyon]

bruh

[blissful bane]

panzerbüche and liberator loadout

the two single shot weapons in bfv :P

[plucky crescent]

back in bf3 snipers didn't have a flash on them when aiming right?

[half canyon]

i am so glad they do now

i dont want to get sniped from halfway across the map without being able to see whos sniping me

[blissful bane]

i use iron sights a lot

[plucky crescent]

i don't remember it being that much of a problem back then

it was cool to be able to be really stealthy

[half canyon]

ok but youve played twisted steel in bfv yes

[plucky crescent]

yeah i think the maps now have so much more cover and obstacles

[blissful bane]

straight pull rifles in bfv with iron sights is sweet

[plucky crescent]

still i wonder if it would be beyond broken since muzzle flash is still a thing

how do u guys feel about the mmg bipod thing where u can't ADS without it

[blissful bane]

its a bit niche

its the same thing with AT rifles

[plucky crescent]

i feel its really good if u play around it

[half canyon]

in bf1 the handheld AT and AA were annoying

since you had to prone to use them

just give me ultra recoil idc

[blissful bane]

it could work ok but terrain and bipod mechanics are a bit dodgy sometimes

[plucky crescent]

yeah thats true

its nice to be able to hold down a section of map just raining bullets though

wonder if things like m249 will return in the next title

[blissful bane]

yeah biggest threat to mmg users is snipers, shotguns and vehicle mgs

though not that many use shotguns

[plucky crescent]

in a premade squad an mmg can do so much work if u have others dealing with the snipers

i like how it creates an entire playstyle

[blissful bane]

yeah

[plucky crescent]

i miss options in attachments and things like back in bf3/4 however

[blissful bane]

i like m1922 and browning

well its ww2 so they didnt have that much (usually)

[plucky crescent]

yeah that makes sense. It does suck that there is less unlockables therein though

it was nice to really level a gun to unlock all of its different things

[edgy junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/537146094602420225/802262876689399858/pav-8C3B13AA-40E0-416F-AB34-92164AD0CDE3.mp4

WHAT YALL THOUGHTS

[blissful bane]

I like recon and support most in bfv

i guess like most

[edgy junco]

Rip we need bf6 bfv was trash

NO HATE

[half canyon]

honestly i enjoy bfv

i didnt like bf4 as much as i do bfv and 1

maybe its because im a history geek

[sour stratus]

bfV is great

[half canyon]

dont like this one though

hardline is not battlefield

[brisk harness]

How to play a marksman?

[half canyon]

sniper

[gusty wren]

which bf?

[fleet ember]

click heads

[brisk harness]

BF 5

[dawn trout]

BF5 for $15 or BF1 for $10?

[split scarab]

bf1

but bfv of you want it to last longer

[queen canopy]

I'd personally recommend BFV. Gunplay is much better, and population is vastly more stable on BFV than it is on BF1. However, if you have the money, I don't think you could go wrong in getting both.

[marsh cave]

Does anyone have any tips for completing the kills under 10 meters with a sniper in bf5? Im kinda struggling with it

[solid hinge]

just get bf4 (joke)

[brave coral]

just do it in combined arms

genuinely, it makes some of the annoying assignments a breeze when you can just spawn in on easy, walk up to a couple ai and take your time lining up a headshot

[marsh cave]

Wait those actually count.. ._.

[sour stratus]

Yes lol

You can cheese it

[brave coral]

as long as it doesn’t say “in PvP” or have an objective area requirement, yes

[marsh cave]

Omg lol

Wish i had known this before

But thanks for it :)

[autumn frigate]

Could someone join my private server

I can't finish suomi 6th mastery and ocd is making me become crazy lol

I have all the pieces except that one

It's triggering me

[marsh cave]

Sure , what device are you tho?

[autumn frigate]

PC

[open jay]

guys I’ve managed to sum up the entire battlefield Reddit when BFV was revealed

Wanna hear it

[sour stratus]

[solid hinge]

yes

[open jay]

Wamen bad

[solid hinge]

🤓 yes

[sour stratus]

Have your Reddit gold sir

[open jay]

It took days to make that statement

I had to research 3 Reddit posts from 2018

[dawn trout]

Alright seems like BF5 for me, is it easy to find players on this server tho? PS

[solid hinge]

[autumn frigate]

Is there cross play on bf5

[open jay]

No

[solid hinge]

depends on ur region

[open jay]

Wish crossplay was present tho

[queen canopy]

You can head over to the LFG channels, where you should be able to find people to play with.

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[open jay]

at the very least, make BF6 cross-console

[dawn trout]

Yeah seems active enough

Thanks for the help boys

[queen canopy]

No problem!

[autumn frigate]

So is bf5 crossplay

[queen canopy]

No, its not

[autumn frigate]

Smh

[queen canopy]

[open jay]

gUYs, WAnnA raId THe COd DIscorD?

[queen canopy]

the CoD discord practically raids itself, don't worry

[sour stratus]

[open jay]

yea tru

also raiding servers is just really dum

[blissful bane]

Crossplay would be nice, cuts down queue time

[queen canopy]

Would be, maybe

My only concern is Console vs PC crossplay

[blissful bane]

eh

many games have pc-console crossplay

[open jay]

Warzone: full of players, probably the single most played game of 2020
Firestorm: insanely lucky to find a game with 50 people

[blissful bane]

I've not touched firestorm since it launched

[queen canopy]

Just feels like console players getting stomped by PC players. Ruined SoT for me

[marsh cave]

I did 1 game lol

[solid hinge]

there should be an option to disable crossplay for those who dont want it

[open jay]

the pc sweats in some games

And the hackers

[marsh cave]

I already get stomped against other ps4s

[queen canopy]

Yeah, I'm fine with it there, just long as it can be disabled

[queen canopy]

There its a level playing field at least

[blissful bane]

there's not that many cheaters in bfv anymore imo

[open jay]

Warzone is full of hackers in crossplay

[marsh cave]

Yea

[blissful bane]

but there's still amazing squads that stomp lol but thats fine

[solid hinge]

yea..maybe farfight is actually fighting now

[obsidian fern]

It's not like you can cheat anyways unless you're pc

I don't wanna put up with them

[queen canopy]

Yeah, count me out lol

[obsidian fern]

One of the many reasons I don't play pc games

Aside a few exceptions

[blissful bane]

Cheaters are annoying but not too prevalent in most games imo

Warzone had a ton and bfv had some in beginning

[obsidian fern]

I may try to get a Firestorm squad going one day just for the fun of it

[proven charm]

i got sniped by a hellriegel through a bunker on pc servers

[blissful bane]

I usually play bfv solo

[half canyon]

good luck finding a game

[blissful bane]

But I could try firestorm just once, if I can find a battle..

[obsidian fern]

More dead than Squad Conquest servers used to be at midnight

[blissful bane]

I've only done squad conquest a few times

[marsh cave]

On ps4 theres still some servers

[obsidian fern]

We use it for pickups, love the gamemode personally

[blissful bane]

I usually play solo so squad conquest feels very RNG in terms of balance

[obsidian fern]

But Breakthrough with a squad is my favorite

[half canyon]

grand operations tho

[obsidian fern]

Grand Ops suck in BFV tbh

Incredibly underwhelming

[blissful bane]

Solomon Islands breakthrough in pacific update was my best time in bfv lul

[obsidian fern]

I love Solomon Breakthrough

[brisk scaffold]

BF6 news??

[queen canopy]

None until this Spring

[brisk scaffold]

@queen canopy Nnnooo

[queen canopy]

Spring isn't that far off

[brisk scaffold]

I just hope that Battlefront doesn't take the spotlight...

[queen canopy]

It won't most likely

[brisk scaffold]

I mean, I think it has 19 million players? Or am I way off?

[queen canopy]

Battlefront 2 support was dropped the same time as BFV's was

I wouldn't know

[brisk scaffold]

I saw something saying that but yeah

@queen canopy Oh, I didn't even know they did that

[blissful bane]

Well it was free for a bit

[brisk scaffold]

Epic games is making game developers more rich

I mean not in a bad way

But yeah sheesh, GTA5, Battlefront 2, wasn't there another game?

[blissful bane]

They give 2 a week afaik

I don't use it often

Tromboncino and Commando Carbine is nice

[vestal belfry]

guys
is battlefield 4 much more optimized than battlefield 3?

[limpid valve]

Yes

Relatively speaking

Their both very well optimized

[knotty mica]

is there a proper place to tell the world that I have started a community game called "SquadConquestAll Hardcore-ish" so that other players will join me?

[vestal belfry]

ok so i can run battlefield 3 perfectly at 25-30fps so can i run battlefield 4 also have 25-30fps?

[limpid valve]

Uh

Wut are u using

[vestal belfry]

intel i3 4150 3.5ghz
4gb ddr3 ram
Intel hd 4400

xd ik its bad

[limpid valve]

Oh

Um

Ok

I don’t know

[blissful bane]

[vestal belfry]

but im thinking about buying halo mcc but getting confused

[limpid valve]

I think bf3 is probably still easier to run than bf4

But not by much

If u do low graphics u can probably get playable frames tho

[vestal belfry]

doesnt bf3 have better graphics?

[limpid valve]

No

Bf4 looks way better

Hence why it’s better optimized

[vestal belfry]

i just want 25-30fps in native res(1366x768)

[limpid valve]

In terms of visuals to performance ratio

[solid hinge]

#lfg-pc or #lfg-xbox or #lfg-playstation

[knotty mica]

oh.. pc EU

[solid hinge]

post it on #lfg-pc then

[eternal palm]

hello my friends! how are y'all doing? Almost finished downloading bf1

then i'll hop into some multiplayer

[solid hinge]

Hi there i recently got back to battlefield after a long while would you guys recommend getting Bfv until 6 releases or just sticking to bf1 just concerned because I seen people keep saying that bf5 is a bad game ?

its not a bad game

not perfect either

but still fun

id say yes

Okay thanks I’ll keep seeing more gameplay about it

[dense bone]

at this point, theres nothing actually wrong with the game

anything you have heard was before was stupid meme complaints or bug issues that have since been resolved

[solid hinge]

true

[eternal palm]

bf1 still active?

[solid hinge]

yes very

[eternal palm]

cool

[young gazelle]

Who wanna play firestorm with nie?

[eternal palm]

i have revolution edition so with every dlc unlocked

i wanna know a thing is it pay to win? is there a way to have an advantage paying?

[solid hinge]

Absolutely not

[brave coral]

past the argument that having dlc weapons is p2w, no there is no p2w elements

[eternal palm]

alright

i bought the revolution for maps and stuff

i played it just a bit when i bought it originally. like 20 hrs. now after seeing a lot of vids i'm back in it

or i should say i'm really in it for the first time

[proven charm]

nah it aint p2w since the guns are balanced well

[eternal palm]

ty

also i play on linux

works very well there

ik you don't care but whatever lol

[proven charm]

linux is good

[eternal palm]

i know

[blissful bane]

i use it too

[eternal palm]

for gaming?

[blissful bane]

yea

[eternal palm]

distro?

[blissful bane]

Except for a few games

Manjaro testing branch

[eternal palm]

i use its major brother, arch

[blissful bane]

yeah i considered it

i use opensuse on my laptop

[eternal palm]

i just ask this thing and eventually we'll talk privately. have you got battlefront 2 to run on epic games during the free sale?

[blissful bane]

i got 380 hrs in BFV by now i think

[eternal palm]

cool

[blissful bane]

i didnt pick it up

[eternal palm]

alright

always good to meet some linux gamers

[blissful bane]

but use heroic launcher

[eternal palm]

ik

but i can't with bf2 bcs you use egs to launch origin to launch the game

[blissful bane]

lol

[eternal palm]

and heroic does not show it as it's not an egs game

[open jay]

I joined the cod discord
Whoever said that the discord was practically raiding itself was right

[queen canopy]

[split scarab]

this server is slow paced compared to other public servers

its nice

[wary mason]

just wait 6months

or 9

[dense bone]

just wait till dice does something and all the redditors will flood the chat

[split scarab]

yes

[uneven hollow]

[split scarab]

but its still slow paced rn

[eternal palm]

why?

[uneven hollow]

I mean it’s better than the lads that comes up during giveaway seasons

[queen canopy]

More like 3-5, when we get preliminary info on the game and suddenly everyone knows exactly how bad this game will be.

[sour stratus]

I forgot there's a giveaway active

[eternal palm]

is it like this for every new game?

[split scarab]

sadly true

[queen canopy]

Probably

[sour stratus]

Or start theorising which is worse

[wary mason]

lul :D

[split scarab]

the game is shit before release

[queen canopy]

Certainly was with the entirety of BFV's life cycle

[blissful bane]

lol

[queen canopy]

What??? The game doesn't fit my EXACT EXPECTATIONS TO A T???!?!? Unacceptable, this is a failure to gamers as a whole, and this game should be boycotted.

[open jay]

Ok so the Cod chat has calmed down

[brave coral]

tbh forgot there was a giveaway, been surprisingly quiet about it

[split scarab]

every ubisoft game be like

[queen canopy]

Obviously, this game will be a failure, and I have deduced this from the teaser image.

[uneven hollow]

Which is pretty nice

[split scarab]

bfv in a nutshell

[sour stratus]

The game doesn't have the ultra realistic cosmetics ™️ ?!?!?!?!?!

BAD GAME

[tall frost]

Wow

[sour stratus]

Reddit

[split scarab]

WHAT CYBERPUNKED IS BUGGY ON OLD ASS CONSOLES

[proven charm]

cod chat is literally just 14 year old basement dwellers

its so toxic there

[queen canopy]

As someone with over 300,000 karma, I can say with certainty that my fellow gamers will agree.

[blissful bane]

tips fedora

[proven charm]

ive got 1k karma

[split scarab]

8k

[uneven hollow]

Why is fallout 76 multiplayer

[queen canopy]

60k

[uneven hollow]

[sour stratus]

16k

[blissful bane]

4 likes on myspace

[split scarab]

pog

[uneven hollow]

1k

[split scarab]

tbh memes have become a bit shitty lately

[proven charm]

not compared to 2018 memed

memes

it was just big chungus

[split scarab]

big chungus is the unfunniest thing I saw

[proven charm]

ikr

[sour stratus]

Might move it to #general

[split scarab]

yep

[proven charm]

i didnt see that this was bf chat

mb

[blissful bane]

use liberator and panzerbuche loadout, the single shot guns in bfv

9 and 18 rounds per minute

[proven charm]

does the welrod count as single shot?

or bolt action

[blissful bane]

bolt action

only liberator and panzerbuche is single shot

[proven charm]

boys at too

[blissful bane]

its bolt action

[proven charm]

ah

oh yes i get it now

the boys at has a magazine

[queen canopy]

Yeah, the Panzerbucshe is technically a breach-loader

[blissful bane]

Yeah

Breech loading single shot

[proven charm]

panzerbusche is the martini henry of bf5

[blissful bane]

It and liberator is the only two single shot in bfv

[proven charm]

gonna buy the bf5 starter pack for the 500 boins

[queen canopy]

Martini-Henry: "Who are you?"
Panzerbucshe: "Im you, but stronger."

[sour stratus]

Gonna wait for the definitive edition to go to 1k again

[blissful bane]

Just wish it had higher velocity

[proven charm]

nah martini henry is better because it can be fired from the hip

[blissful bane]

It's a high velocity rifle caliber

[proven charm]

or shoulder

[blissful bane]

I've fired one irl (martini henry)

[proven charm]

pzb uses higher velocity to hit harder

but shoots a small round

[sour stratus]

You can ads when standing so Martini Henry>

[proven charm]

damnn

[split scarab]

the only gun I shot irl is a .22 Long Rifle

[proven charm]

ive never shot a gun because uk gun laws

[split scarab]

I was in switzerland and its my uncle

[proven charm]

actually im p sure ive gone hunting in romania

[blissful bane]

PZB should be changed imo

[split scarab]

he also has a winchester but I never fired it

[blissful bane]

It is too similiar to Boys when they should be very different

[queen canopy]

I mean theres only so much they can change it in a historical context

Its actually I think the better of the two in terms of being an AT rifle

Does better damage to tanks, while Boys AT has a faster fire rate

[blissful bane]

I meant their round is very different

(and they both have super slow velocity in game for some reason)

[uneven hollow]

Needed the American and Japanese AT rifles

[blissful bane]

Soviet too

[uneven hollow]

If they added the Soviets

[blissful bane]

yeah

or the swiss or finnish semi autos

[echo wolf]

I dislike how Battlefield 5 is reselling the Tides of War skins.

[dense bone]

why?

[sick hamlet]

PZB is a textbook case of wasted potential.

[blissful bane]

They should buff velocity

[sick hamlet]

I’d actually rather have had their tank damage values swapped with the PzB being more a rail gun sniper or having a Granatebuche spec line

[dense bone]

to what?

for what?

[blissful bane]

the AT rifles

[sick hamlet]

PzB’s IRL muzzle velocity is something like 1200m/s

There were tank rounds in WW2 that weren’t that fast

[blissful bane]

They both have super slow in game

[sick hamlet]

Both are 400m/s

[blissful bane]

yeah

[dense bone]

their effective range is 100m against infantry, so its not like velocity really matters that much

[blissful bane]

while boys irl was 880 with a larger caliber and pzb was 1210 with a rifle caliber

[dense bone]

any faster and it will probably be similar to hitscan

[echo wolf]

For some reason I'm really good with the Brenda

[sick hamlet]

Eh, the idea would be to make the PzB more anti-infantry focused with a stupid huge muzzle velocity but requiring the bipod deployment to use

[blissful bane]

not really, the other bolt actions have 750 to 900

[sick hamlet]

Or give it the Granatebuchse stuff and make it a bigass Grenade launcher

[dense bone]

other "bolts" are not 1 shot body shots under 100m...

[sick hamlet]

If they were to buff the PzB velocity to stupid high, I’d be in favor of halving that range to inside 50m.

[blissful bane]

You can headshot pretty reliably

But yeah I know

[dense bone]

no you cant

id be willing to bet a vast, and i mean VAST majority of people can not "headshot reliably"

[prime pine]

Breda is really nasty when you get the hang of it.

[sick hamlet]

Not even Stodeh, the human aimbot, can.

[blissful bane]

I use ross and K31 if i have to do short range

[sick hamlet]

But yeah, there’s just so much they could have done to diversify the AT rifles that they just didn’t.

[blissful bane]

yeah

[dense bone]

hell, i know my aim is above average, and body shots with snipers i average about 50% for reference

[blissful bane]

AT rifles and MMGs feel so niche in bfv

[prime pine]

Because of their inherit limiting playstyle

[sick hamlet]

Eh, there’s still a fair amount that could have been done.

[coral fiber]

Ouch

[dense bone]

heres the thing with bf titles in general, everything doesnt have to be completely viable

[blissful bane]

Hitting planes with AT rifles is fun tho

[sick hamlet]

Like I mentioned, the PzB had an entire grenade launcher adaptation that could have been implemented and a stupid high muzzle velocity that’s not reflected in game

[blissful bane]

So much damage

[prime pine]

By the way meme I tried to use the unhinged flying angle and I cant do it

[dense bone]

its a completely casual title where you can just do whatever

[prime pine]

It actually fucks with my head

[coral fiber]

Reverse rudder

Yeah you have to get used to it

Gives good angles

A lot of pilots now are utilizing this

[blissful bane]

I am really bad at planes

[dense bone]

half my kills are roughly headshots

[sick hamlet]

Planes are fun. Especially the MG and cannon strafing runs.

[dense bone]

40-50% accuracy is pretty high, and that aint consistent

[blissful bane]

Some guy that kept headshotting me in a plane on the enemy team actually let me learn

which was nice

[sick hamlet]

Few things are as satisfying as an 8 MG strafe in a Spitfire.

[coral fiber]

Strafing is boring to me now

[sick hamlet]

Maybe the Mosquito or JU-88 20mm strafes?

[coral fiber]

Pubstomping in general is boring now lol

[prime pine]

Luckily I still find fun in strafing people

[coral fiber]

I don't know what to do now lmao

[sick hamlet]

I swear people sleep on the JU-88 20mm strafe. Fires much faster than the Mosquito’s 20mms and the guns are closer packed so any hit on infantry is basically a kill.

[coral fiber]

Rather than attempt to do fun stuff like plane surfing

[blissful bane]

i have 283 kills with krag 205 headshots @dense bone

but im a pretty bad player

[prime pine]

You mean the 88c's 4 20 mms?

Nova

[sick hamlet]

Yup!

[prime pine]

Id rather the cannon

[sick hamlet]

Eh, that’s what the bombs are for

[prime pine]

Cause I can fight tanks have the utility of the cannon

[dense bone]

accuracy?

[blissful bane]

30.6

Terrible i know

[sick hamlet]

Other nice thing about the 20mms is that they’ll penetrate through cover to kill

[coral fiber]

Terrible?
Psshhhhh
I have 3.2% lmaooooo

[dense bone]

30.6 isnt bad

[sick hamlet]

I’ve strafed houses with the 88c before and racked up multikills

[blissful bane]

I suck at staying alive in planes

[dense bone]

thats likely from vehicles

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[dense bone]

you really only get a good sense of accuracy when comparing similar weapons

[blissful bane]

Before I get shot by type 10s or fliegfaust

lul

[coral fiber]

I have nearly 400 hours flying fighters 😂😂😂

[sick hamlet]

Can’t quite get the same effect with the 20mm cannons on fighters because they aren’t as densely packed.

With the Mosquito and 88c though it’s basically just one giant bullet from how close the guns are.

[prime pine]

Hey meme remember the hispano cannon on the mosquito mk2 on launch?

[blissful bane]

all my bolt actions are in 30 to 38 accuracy range

[sick hamlet]

The A10 wannabe build

[coral fiber]

That broken gun
Yes

[prime pine]

It was hilariously fucked

[coral fiber]

Ngl it was actually fun to use lol

[prime pine]

It was one of the reasons why I enjoyed the mk2 for some reason

[sick hamlet]

It’s still fun to use these days on the Mosquito.

[prime pine]

Now you may as well fly the fb cause its got better power with the same maneuverbility

[coral fiber]

Canon power

Tiny but packs a punch
Lol

[blissful bane]

I can rarely stay alive in planes for long

[sick hamlet]

Just wish the aircraft 20mms had some splash damage.

Not much, just a little.

[prime pine]

Fly the blen mk1

Thats an incredibly support plane

With its explosive 50 mg

[sick hamlet]

Spotting Camera + strafing build is straight up broken

Spot through cover and then just unload

[astral ermine]

Learning to fly was a bitch

Bfv was the only bf I actually tried in

[prime pine]

It doesnt spot through cover but

Its got quite the radius

[blissful bane]

The two dudes with fliegerfaust: Rip and tear

[sick hamlet]

...I sincerely hate how the Fliegerfaust was implemented

[astral ermine]

I love fliegering pesky pilots

[prime pine]

I wouldn't be so biased against the flieger if it wasn't an instant against fighters

[sick hamlet]

Rather they get rid of the proximity detonation in the Fliegerfaust, and instead increase muzzle velocity by 50-100% and up direct impact damage.

Turn it into a literal anti-air shotgun

[astral ermine]

Did it get buffed? I haven't played in a while

Anti air shotty sounds kinda cool

[prime pine]

Its been changed so that its detonation range only works when they actually hit the plane

Not from a radius of 7m

[sick hamlet]

Fliegerfaust IRL was basically an anti-air rocket shotty anyway

[prime pine]

However they added an aa bonus for fighters

[astral ermine]

AA was pretty powerful last I played

[coral fiber]

A lot of people use the Flieger because they either want to have fun using it or trying to shoot down another pilot they can't shoot down themselves

[prime pine]

Well dice needed to buff them again because rands can't fucking use aa

[coral fiber]

But it's funny killing fliegers when they try

[astral ermine]

What a badass concept

[prime pine]

By the way meme, seeing an old video on the flieger was really fucking weird

Whats the word

[coral fiber]

Pain

[prime pine]

When you're not used to it

[astral ermine]

Me when I get strafed on the runway

[prime pine]

Nah before release

[sick hamlet]

Hence why I’d prefer making it direct impact damage with no proximity detonation and instead just high impact damage, high muzzle velocity, terrible spread.

[uneven hollow]

There was two types of fliegerfaust as well

[astral ermine]

I get triggered and the game turns into a grudge match

[prime pine]

Huh

[sick hamlet]

Rather than this bizarre low muzzle velocity proximity detonation thing

[uneven hollow]

ff a and ff b

[prime pine]

It had an original capacity of 8 and did partial damage with each barrage

[uneven hollow]

Iirc ff a had less rockets while ff b had more rockets

[prime pine]

Yeah

[sick hamlet]

Difference was also in the way it fired.

[prime pine]

Then they downed it to a 3 rocket capacity

[uneven hollow]

We had the B and now we got the A

[prime pine]

Then a 2

[uneven hollow]

[astral ermine]

And like a shotty

[sick hamlet]

The initial version fired sequentially one after the other like a Roman candle, the later version fired in a burst of 5 and 4

[limpid valve]

There was one time I spent an entire match just trying to kill one aa tank on dawn breaker

I finally killed him once towards the end of the game

I was the only one who killed him the entire match

He went like 65 and 1

[dense bone]

vehicles busted

[astral ermine]

Lmao

Worth it

[limpid valve]

I died like 25 time lol

It was so satisfying tho

[astral ermine]

BF gets you in these deranged grudge matches

[uneven hollow]

Indeed

[dense bone]

i dont get into grudge matches with vehicles, thats a lost cause

especially since i main medic/recon

[sick hamlet]

I once had somebody in BF1 PM me “y u bully me” after dunking on them several times with the AT Putilov

[astral ermine]

BF doesn't stand for battlefield, it stands for blood feuds

[limpid valve]

Lol

[prime pine]

I remember getting a message on bf1 after strafing a guy firing his lmg at me

[uneven hollow]

kinda wish someone would dm me while I kamikaze the same person

[sick hamlet]

Man I miss the Putilov. Thing was a pain in the ass to control but it was hilarious fun.

[limpid valve]

I think it’s funny how pissed people get in chat when I dive bomb with the attack plane in bo1

[sick hamlet]

A properly used Putilov is a royal pain to the opposing team

Park it sideways by a cap and you basically have a protected spawn point with two MGs and a cannon

[solid hinge]

I gots a problem

[astral ermine]

BO1 lol

Autocorrect I presume

[solid hinge]

I just completed my first mint assignment for the enfield

[limpid valve]

Oh

Yeah

[solid hinge]

And I get nothing from it?

[limpid valve]

I didn’t even notice lol

[astral ermine]

Aww

[solid hinge]

I was supposed to get the mint magazine

Is it normal that I get nothing from the challenges?

[sick hamlet]

Check armory

[solid hinge]

Do I have to unlock everything to have access to the mint parts?

[limpid valve]

I love the gewehr 95

That gun is my baby

Specifically the infantry version

Best agressive sniper

[proven charm]

the shrapnel shells are the best

[blissful bane]

i need to complete last mastery for bren but it has taken me quite a while

[sick hamlet]

Shrapnel shells. You think you’re safe behind cover? Nope.

[proven charm]

lol

[sick hamlet]

The St.Chamond with those is similarly broken

[solid hinge]

Also another thing, how do you get the Tripoli skins

[uneven hollow]

Buying it

[astral ermine]

It should come with completing the challenges right?

I think my arisaka is all mint

[sick hamlet]

Not quite as effective at taking out other tanks but you can bounce those shells round corners after lobbing gas their way

[proven charm]

st chamond and the 75 high velocity cannon is the best loadout for that tank

[astral ermine]

And I got them as I went

[exotic holly]

Man bf1 Is atmospheric af. Especialy the in the name of the tsar

[uneven hollow]

You gotta check the armory for your stuff

[limpid valve]

Yeah

[proven charm]

itnots is the best dlc

[limpid valve]

Bf1 has really good atmosphere

It needs it tho

Lol

[sick hamlet]

I prefer the Shrapnel on the St. Chamond as it mercs infantry and doesn’t have to worry about bouncing off armor so the damage is consistent if somewhat lesser

[limpid valve]

Cause the gameplay is uuuuuummm bf1

[exotic holly]

And the music. Oh the beautiful music.

[limpid valve]

DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH

[proven charm]

i might try that loadout

[limpid valve]

DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH

[astral ermine]

I love how calming the announcer is

[exotic holly]

Good luck remembering that

[sick hamlet]

@proven charm Totally worth it. Even if your shrapnel shell bounces off a tank, it still explodes immediately after and does like 17 damage

[proven charm]

17 dmg is really good

how much is an engine hit?

[limpid valve]

The enemy is being reinforced with an airship

[exotic holly]

The enemy has taken objective duff

[prime pine]

I love the announcers for bf5 actually

[astral ermine]

💜

[prime pine]

Though

[exotic holly]

The enemy has taken objective butters

[prime pine]

I wish we got Steve blum as the announcer

Or as an elite

[astral ermine]

Lmao

[sick hamlet]

I’m actually not sure if it can damage engines. The damage against vehicles comes entirely from the explosion and not impact damage.

[limpid valve]

Bf1 announcer just adds to the increadible atmosphere

[proven charm]

we have lost objective apples

we have an airship on route

[astral ermine]

Exactly

[limpid valve]

It fits the theme really well

[sick hamlet]

Plus the whistles

[uneven hollow]

shall I ruin it

[prime pine]

I think he'd work better as an elite cause that would be hilarious

[sick hamlet]

Can’t forget the charge whistles

[prime pine]

I would spam that shit

[uneven hollow]

[limpid valve]

You don’t realize how important things like that are until they’re done wrong

[sick hamlet]

I only wish that BF1 had coke after BFV so we could have the fortification system.

[queen canopy]

Trench whistles were cool as shit, especially when you could blow them as the squad leader

[limpid valve]

It has to fit the feel of the game

[uneven hollow]

I miss where I point my finger in bf1

[exotic holly]

"WE ARE LOSING THIS BATTLE START FIGHTING OR ILL FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN"-Battlefield 2 general

[uneven hollow]

[queen canopy]

with the "GO GO GO" quick chat

[limpid valve]

Like the announcers for cod waw are super good

[exotic holly]

Only Squad commanders can use the whistle

[limpid valve]

Because they fit the bloodthirsty theme of the game

[queen canopy]

yeah thats what I said

[exotic holly]

Ah ok

[uneven hollow]

He even said it

[exotic holly]

Yep

[sick hamlet]

Also wishing they didn’t have pick-up kits in BF1 and instead had those weapons integrated as gadgets or regular weapons.

[limpid valve]

And the mw2 ones are super good because they perfectly fit the. Badass badshit crazy theme

[exotic holly]

I didnt see

[sick hamlet]

BF1 really could have done with the LMG/MMG split for Support.

[exotic holly]

Yea the writing was really uniqe back then

[uneven hollow]

Whistle and pointing your finger was pretty pog in bf1

[proven charm]

the m1917 mg needs to be an mmg

[limpid valve]

THEY COME FOR OUR BLOOD, BUT DROWN IN THEIR OWN!!

[sick hamlet]

And the Perino

[limpid valve]

Shit like that

Adds to the game a ton

[sick hamlet]

And the Italian SMG machine gun pickup kit

That could have been an MMG candidate

[exotic holly]

"ENEMY INFATRY SPOTED,ENEMY INFATRY SPOTED,ENEMY INFATRY SPOTED" BF2

[limpid valve]

Lol

[sick hamlet]

BF1942 “Enemy Plane Spotted!”

[proven charm]

the vilar perosa used to be mounted into bicycles

[queen canopy]

I loved how the Italian solider voice lines had a cough in them sometimes

[astral ermine]

When I think of MP announcers, the first thing that pops in my mind is the German one, and well the game overall

[sick hamlet]

I hope one day Monte Grappa returns

One of the best maps in BF history right there

[exotic holly]

Man battlefield 2 had a really uniqe setting. Fighting In rual America,china and IRAQ

[sick hamlet]

What was that really cool oil rig map in BF2 MC?

[exotic holly]

Idk

[sick hamlet]

St. Quentin’s Scar also needs a remake eventually.

[limpid valve]

Yeah they were all really good

[prime pine]

I have regards to the st quentin map not only because of what it is but also because it was one of the battles my country fought and was recognised if Im correct

[exotic holly]

Damn they should have included the "gas,gas gas" voiceline from war horse

[limpid valve]

Even simple stuff like “ENEMY RECON PLANE, RIGHT ABOVE US”

[sick hamlet]

Honestly, BF1 had some of the best maps out of any of the modern Bf games

[limpid valve]

Was delivered with such intensity

[queen canopy]

Suez Canal:

[prime pine]

Theres a statue of an (Australian) soldier stabbing a German eagle

[exotic holly]

Give me some losingers someone.

[astral ermine]

Literally wen tf through my head, it's like the first thing I thought lol

[exotic holly]

Losingers-ammo

[upbeat siren]

bf1 better than bf5 no cap

[limpid valve]

Bf1 maps felt pretty linear imo especially the dlc

[astral ermine]

Bf1 does well with the calm announcer tho

[queen canopy]

mega cap

[limpid valve]

Yeah

It fits

[queen canopy]

BFV's gameplay alone blows BF1 away

[sick hamlet]

Verdun Heights, St. Quentin, Monte Grappa, Sinai, Passchendaele, Argonne,

[limpid valve]

With the overall feel

[prime pine]

It really does gecko

[limpid valve]

I don’t know I still think bf4 had better maps overall

[upbeat siren]

maps better

[limpid valve]

But I do love Sinai

[obsidian fern]

BF1 maps are better, but BFV gameplay is better

[limpid valve]

And st.quinten

[sick hamlet]

The only good maps BF4 had were Shanghai and whatever was ported over from BF3

[limpid valve]

Nah

[astral ermine]

I like how BFV handles revives and the fortifications

[sick hamlet]

Still sad we didn’t get Seine Crossing

[obsidian fern]

Revives, Reinforcements, Fortifications

[astral ermine]

Caspian border was a fav of mine

[upbeat siren]

Does anyone even stillnplay bf5 i do

[sick hamlet]

The bulk of BF4’s maps were just shit and it was a noticeable downgrade from BF3

[upbeat siren]

bf1 is only better with maps

[limpid valve]

St.quinten scar is easily one of the best maps in bf history tho

[sick hamlet]

BF1 has better overall balance than BFV

[exotic holly]

The Somme map Is special. And that one map In the Italian map. Just the overal look/feel Is amazing

[astral ermine]

Oh and vehicles, but I understand that ww1 was kinda rough on that front

[queen canopy]

BFV seems to be much more populated than BF1

[obsidian fern]

They're both pretty populated

[queen canopy]

Random Bullet Deviation kinda throws that out the window

[obsidian fern]

BF1 and BFV have large communities still, if anything they've been growing

[sick hamlet]

RBD, also known as spread, is an integral part of just about any shooter and its balance.

[upbeat siren]

Seeing no nee content on bfv of content creators i dont rlly tuink anyone still rlly plays it

[prime pine]

There are more enjoyable maps in bf5 for me. Rotterdam, devastation, fjell, twisted steel, arras, all the pacific maps, etc

[sick hamlet]

It’s not something that was invented just for BF1

[exotic holly]

Yea when you are supresed you cant hit a guy standing right In front

[astral ermine]

Don't judge off of content creators

I mean

[exotic holly]

I hate that. Even with a lmg

[blissful bane]

fortifications isnt that useful imo

[astral ermine]

What else is there to talk about

[prime pine]

Yet I only enjoy fort de vo, st quentin, The Russian maps and fucking...

[astral ermine]

Wat

[blissful bane]

usually gets bombed pretty quickly

[prime pine]

That urban map

[sick hamlet]

Leaving aside that BF1 actually had less spread than BF4

[prime pine]

Fortifications helps a lot

[astral ermine]

Fortifications are useful lol

[prime pine]

They actually do

[proven charm]

amiens

[upbeat siren]

They do

[prime pine]

Thats it

Amiens

[queen canopy]

I hardly call it balance when bullets don't go where they're aimed, especially with how sharp it was in BF1. I call it RNG at that point, because it starts to come down to whoever's gun decides to shoot the straightest

[blissful bane]

they last 30 seconds before the objective goes michael bay

[prime pine]

A very good example is b on twisted steel

[proven charm]

the only fortification that helps are the barbed wire and field guns / heavy machine guns

[upbeat siren]

YEah

[astral ermine]

So many times there is 0 cover and you get gg by snipers/anything lol

[prime pine]

You'd be a sitting duck waiting for the people to reclaim it but behind the sandbags youre not an easy target in the middle

[exotic holly]

Yes.

[sick hamlet]

That statistics for weapons in BF1 disagree Gecko. What BF1 punished was tapfiring and spamming.

[upbeat siren]

what are yall fav dogfighting maps for planes

[brave coral]

i mean sandbags are very useful just not so directly obvious

[blissful bane]

they helo vs snipers etc but objectives get constantly bombed

help*

[queen canopy]

Statistics and actual gameplay are very different beasts.

[sick hamlet]

Tons of the bitching about RBD boiled down to not understanding that tapfiring was punished heavily and as was spam firing on semi-auto.

And that was in direct response to tapfiring in BF4 breaking weapon balance

[blissful bane]

Fortifications are only useful on infantry only imo

[exotic holly]

Lmgs couldnt hit a thing right In front If you were supresed. I hated that so much

The medic guns are damn good

[wooden basin]

Am I just bad or is the MG42 in bfv kinda shit?

[queen canopy]

Its still inherently luck-based to effectively remove a degree of control of where the player's shot lands. BFV seems to embrace tap-firing, and feels much better for it

[queen canopy]

MMG's are difficult to get used to, but the MG-42 in particular is a beast once you learn it. I'd recommend using the 250 round belt over the 50 round + ROF increase.

[sick hamlet]

No it isn’t. Spread institutes a soft cap on effective range. There’s still skill in managing that and choosing weapons for their engagement ranges

[wooden basin]

I have the 250 belt on

[sick hamlet]

The alternative to lack of spread is draconian drop offs and terrible damage models like what we saw in the first weapon balance update for BFV

[wooden basin]

I just feel like complete dead weight using the gun though.

[sick hamlet]

Because without spread to institute a soft cap on effective range, you’re forced to resort to directly bringing damage down to control range

[blissful bane]

MG42 is my least used mmg but i should use it more

[queen canopy]

You're going to tell me that bullets flying in random directions isn't luck-based? On top of that, its a much greater feel of versatility in BFV's model. Every gun is viable at a variety of ranges, but certain guns EXCEL in those ranges. For example, an SMG like the MP-40 is much better suited for close range, but isn't completely useless at longer ranges, while being outclassed there by SAR's and other weapons.

[sick hamlet]

And again, bullet spread in BF1 was actually less than it was in BF4.

[queen canopy]

This is as opposed to something like the MP-18 in BF1, where the game effectively decides you cannot use a weapon past a certain range, because the random bullet spread is going to throw lead all around your target. Its much more rigid and therein restrictive.

[sick hamlet]

Again, skill is in managing spread and engagement range, not just putting your sights on the target and then getting mad when you don’t hit because you’re engaging outside the intended range.

And again, almost every shooter in existence uses spread.

“Why can’t I hit somebody at 75m with my SMG?”

Why are you trying to engage somebody that far away with an SMG?

[blissful bane]

Shotguns have too short range in bfv imo

[sick hamlet]

Leaving aside that the burst fire variant of the MP-18 actually was optimized for further range engagements, as were the factory variants of SMGs

[queen canopy]

Like I said, its versatility. Its honestly better in my opinion for you to at least have an option at that range, even if its impractical, than for the game to remove the option altogether. It goes hand in hand with the specializations mechanics, in that it allows you to decide, in picking your weapons, where your gun will excel, as opposed to having to work around hard-set barriers.

Thats one thing that bugged a lot of people, myself included, about suppression in some cases. The game basically said, "fuck you, he's got a bigger weapon, your gun is now completely fucking useless, now sit there and die"

[sick hamlet]

Would you prefer steep damage drop offs where it feels like shooting spitballs? Or how about intense recoil making weapon stupidly difficult to control?

[queen canopy]

Honestly, yes to the recoil. At that point, its a matter of controlling your weapon and actual marksmanship as opposed to just crossing your fingers and hoping you hit

[sick hamlet]

The funny thing about spread in BF1 is that it has less than BF4 but people never complained about it in BF4 to anywhere near the same degree.

Have fun with 13BTK damage models and recoil that shakes the screen so much you’re aiming at the ceiling and can barely stay on target.

[wooden basin]

What is 13BTK

[queen canopy]

13BTK was removed months ago.

[sick hamlet]

In BFV the MG30 and MG42 were very briefly 13BTK

[queen canopy]

No one liked it, myself included.

Hence the word briefly

[sick hamlet]

But that’s the type of damage model you get when you eliminate spread

Because it becomes the only way to control engagement range

[queen canopy]

We're now talking about a damage model that doesn't exist anymore

[brave coral]

...but it’s not? that was unrelated to spread, guess what, they’re at like 4-7BTK now

[sick hamlet]

Yes...because that damage model was accompanied by the near elimination of any kind of spread and recoil

[queen canopy]

And that damage model is now gone

[sick hamlet]

And recoil was upped when that happened

[brave coral]

i don’t think anyone here is asking for 0 recoil

[sick hamlet]

Zero spread likewise has the same problem.

[wooden basin]

I’d like less recoil on the MG42 to use it at range cause it doesn’t really seem viable for much past like 50-70 metres

Unless I’m not supposed to use it at longer ranges

[sick hamlet]

Players latched in to RBD as a boogeyman when the reality is that the FSSM punished habits they learned in BF4.

[queen canopy]

Spread and inaccuracy due to recoil are different things. I'm asking more for the latter.

[brave coral]

i would much rather have recoil that rewards players for actual inputs than spread that rewards players for only using guns within certain ranges and making them almost useless in some cases

[queen canopy]

My bullets actually go where I'm aiming, but where I'm aiming may get difficult to control due to recoil

[sick hamlet]

And the funny thing is that BFV still has RBD. It just masked it as recoil

[queen canopy]

And whoever can control that recoil the best survives

[queen canopy]

Recoil patterns. Learnable.

[blissful bane]

want 0 recoil? use type 100

jk

[sick hamlet]

Nope. BFV uses a spread to recoil conversion.

[queen canopy]

kinda fax tho

[sick hamlet]

The patterns aren’t a fixed amount, just a weighting to that conversion. It’s still randomized

[brave coral]

one of the biggest things i feel with bf1’s implementation is that there’s no feedback from the weapon which is why it sucks a lot

[sick hamlet]

Your iron sights are jumped to whatever coordinates that conversion creates

It provides the illusion of recoil but it isn’t

[brave coral]

“oh yeah your bullet actually landed a metre to the left of where you aimed but the gun doesn’t reflect that in any way”

[queen canopy]

Maybe its just me then, but like Dr's saying, BFV's feels much better IMO

[wooden basin]

This sounds sorta like fallout 3 spreads

[sick hamlet]

BFV only has the illusion of no RBD

[brave coral]

it’s not an intuitive system and doesn’t reward skill in controlling the gun, just using a gun at a set range and hoping you don’t come up against anything else

[sick hamlet]

Neither does BFV, for automatics anyway.

Hell, the MGs use the same reverse spread mechanism as BF1 with continuous fire.

[brave coral]

...no, they have a recoil multiplier that makes it kick a bit harder for the first couple of shots

[sick hamlet]

And decreasing recoil with successive shots

Vertical recoil at least anyway

[brave coral]

it’s not like you start shooting and have to shoot for a few seconds before the shots actually go where you point them, you just have heavier recoil for the first couple shots which can still be controlled if you’re good

[sick hamlet]

Which is partnered with the spread to recoil conversion

The Bren, for example, has 0.5 degrees less recoil per shot

[uneven hollow]

Tbh that’s true

Had a sniper rifle and was aiming on his torso but it hit his head on fallout 3

[prime pine]

Oh yeah spread into recoil, its annoying as hell but the whole gunplay is better than bf1's

[sick hamlet]

The FG-42 has an initial 0.76 degree recoil for the first shot and every shot after that decreases by 0.04 degrees. So 0.72, 0.68, 0.64, and so on

[solid hinge]

Howdy 👋

[half acorn]

Really hope 6 has a lot of good fundamentales BFV has

[sick hamlet]

That is the opposite of how it works for every other weapon type in the game where vertical recoil increases with each shot or is static in the case of semis and single shots

[brave coral]

but that isn’t “shots land in an arbitrary cone that tightens”

[sick hamlet]

Yes it is.

[brave coral]

that’s just... the machine guns having a recoil pattern

[sick hamlet]

Because spread to recoil conversion

The oval shaped areas where shots can land narrows as more shots are fired by MGs in BFV

With the game rolling a random value between the two extremes of your horizontal recoil and then rolling for vertical recoil and jumping your sights to that coordinate

[wooden basin]

I dunno I like bf1 a lot more than this

[brave coral]

you can say “spread to recoil conversion” all you want, it doesn’t really mean anything. it’s just “bfv has random elements to its recoil”

[sick hamlet]

With horizontal recoil being weighted by the bias instituted by the pattern

Except that recoil is illusionary because it’s still spread disguised as recoil.

Spread didn’t disappear in BFV. It was masked.

[prime pine]

That being said, Its still way better than bf1's

[brave coral]

my point is that it still feels far more intuitive because you get feedback from the gun

your shot went to the side? so did your aim

[prime pine]

Cause the system pretty much rewards you for controlling a gun

[uneven hollow]

Ditch bf1 and bfv gunpaly just include fallout 3 gunplay

[sick hamlet]

But it’s not more intuitive really. It just masked it by jumping your iron sights.

You have the illusion of having more control

[wooden basin]

What’s bad about bf1 gunplay?

[brave coral]

bf1 is basically “oh no my gun has a major manufacturing flaw where my bullets fly out the barrel at 15 degrees to the normal”

[sick hamlet]

BFV does the same but players don’t notice because the iron sights jump to the point where the bullet would have came out.

[wooden basin]

I never really noticed it much

[brave coral]

... that’s literally my point, the gun moves and it just kinda... makes sense

[sick hamlet]

See the ludicrous horizontal recoil some guns have.

[wooden basin]

Not to say it didn’t happen but I just never noticed

[sick hamlet]

Can’t exactly praise BFV for minimal spread gameplay when it does in fact have spread though.

[half acorn]

The K31 is a really good Sniper in Hardcore such a satisfying gun

[proven charm]

yeah

k31 is good

[wooden basin]

How exactly am I supposed to use MG42 or mmg in general? Cause I’m trying to like sit in choke points and hold stuff for my team but I usually end up getting rushed by a lot of people or I sit there for like 10 minutes with nothing happening.

[sick hamlet]

Go 1200 RPM and brrrttt

[proven charm]

just use the type 2a

[wooden basin]

I got the 250 belt

[proven charm]

it shoots as fast as the 50 belt 1.2k rpm mg42

and it has so little recoil that it hurts to think about it

[wooden basin]

I want to use an mmg though

[sick hamlet]

Meh, MG42 still has the better damage model.

Plus, you’re rarely in a situation where you actually use the full 250-rounds so the increased lethality of the 1200 RPM is going to be more useful more often.

[brave coral]

mmgs are best used in linear modes like breakthrough where you can set up a position and basically be guaranteed to see some action if you’re in a decent spot

[wooden basin]

Why did they do this

[brave coral]

250 round belt is much more versatile since it means you have a firing time of more than 2.5 seconds

[sick hamlet]

You can use MMGs offensively if you hop from cover to cover.

Yeah, but how often are you actually going to be firing sustained as opposed to short bursts to eliminate a target?

[wooden basin]

I had a game where I was firing sustained

It was that desert map with only 4 objectives

[blissful bane]

with my accuracy i need quite a few bullets

[wooden basin]

It’s not like bf1 with sustained fire

[sick hamlet]

It literally is. Machine guns have negative recoil multipliers

[proven charm]

al marj encampment?

[wooden basin]

Possibly

[sick hamlet]

They get more accurate with sustained fire.

[wooden basin]

When I say that I mean In bf1 I would Fire for a while a lot

But on bfv I don’t

[sick hamlet]

MG42 has a -0.262 degree recoil value.

Plus there’s also the overheat mechanic that limits the utility of the extended belt as well.

[wooden basin]

It’s pretty much like a reload except it’s a barrel swap

[sick hamlet]

That’s about as long as a reload

[wooden basin]

It seems to be around 90 bullets or so before you need to change so you can just stop firing for a second

Yea

But it’s just like more sustained fire idk

[sick hamlet]

76 bullets for all overheats

[blissful bane]

Type 2A: heat? ive never heard of it

[dense bone]

who has to shoot that long consistently though?

[pliant dirge]

Yo

[prime pine]

Woahhh

[sick hamlet]

How often do you find yourself reloading before using up a 250 round belt?

[prime pine]

1.95 kpm for my fg42

[wooden basin]

I just like having a lot of ammo

[prime pine]

50 bullets go faster than 250

[dense bone]

im one of those people that reloads at every chance

[blissful bane]

i like lewis for that reason

97 round mag with no overheat

[sick hamlet]

Same, but reloading is faster than overheat with quick reload or about as fast.

[wooden basin]

I used the mg15 suppressive in bf1

[sick hamlet]

At least with a partial belt anyway

[brave coral]

this doesn’t really change the fact that a) it’s entirely preference and b) when i used the 1200rpm build, i found myself running out of ammo far too often

burning through 50 rounds in 2.5 seconds isn’t particularly forgiving, and since you’re reloading a lot it makes you vulnerable to sudden pushes

[sick hamlet]

Not anymore so than you would be with having to wait for a cool down.