battlefield-legacy-titles

[quiet pecan]

Dm it to me

[buoyant wolf]

The PC gamers who have DP 2.1 for their DisplayPort standard are probably running insane graphics

Wym Oreo?

[quiet pecan]

The campaign leak for battlefield 6

[buoyant wolf]

I don’t have it lol

[quiet pecan]

How does nobody have it

In the age of advanced Reddit technology era nerds

[buoyant wolf]

Idk

I don’t even like playing campaigns. I play multiplayer only

[urban lark]

Sinful

I always played the campaign then the mp

Only exception was BFV war stories which I skipped entirely

[robust ibex]

i mean idk who plays these games for campaign
just charge less assuming u dont have one

[urban lark]

I think people just occasionally enjoy fps gameplay that’s more linear, casual and sometimes more tactically driven

There’s a huge difference in how reboot MW campaigns and multiplayers play for example

[random blade]

Some people just consider them tutorials for multiplayer

Like me

[teal fractal]

this isnt a graphics setting

[urban lark]

That’s facts though

[teal fractal]

if only games were properly optimized

one can dream

[urban lark]

Im both. I use it to get a feel for gunplay and movement but also I like the gameplay of campaigns

[teal fractal]

battlefield isnt a very great series when it comes to campaigns

[random blade]

campaigns can definitely be fun, but the aesthetic draw needs to trump the mechanics. it's just that multiplayer games I tend to get for the mechanics and the competition factor, so said campgin would need to be stellar to bat an eye

[buoyant wolf]

Yes, it is. You could make the argument that these are also hardware features. But even hardware features oftentimes have to be enabled in your settings

[buoyant wolf]

What are your graphics settings, then?

[solar nexus]

I am skeptical of the next battlefield'd campaign

[buoyant wolf]

Idk how good Battlefield’s campaigns are compared to other games. And I’m probably not a good judge of that, either because I hate campaign modes regardless

[solar nexus]

Former developers said not to get excited about the campaign

[random blade]

It's just a thing that's there as a bonus in my eyes

[buoyant wolf]

I want to be fully occupied with fast-paced and action-packed online multiplayer gameplay

[solar nexus]

Cod campaigns aren't much better either these days

[buoyant wolf]

Even slow-paced online multiplayer like Hunter: Call of the Wild make me uninstall immediately

[teal fractal]

all low

[buoyant wolf]

So, then, what are they exactly?

[teal fractal]

i just said all low, no filters and as high of a res scale i can reach

[buoyant wolf]

But what resolution? I don’t disagree that graphics can be measured on a scale from Low to Ultra. But resolution is one of the most objective ways to measure them

[buoyant wolf]

And if those aren’t graphics settings, then what are they?

[teal fractal]

they are graphics settings

[teal fractal]

1080p

[buoyant wolf]

So, then, why did you say this isn’t a graphics setting?

[buoyant wolf]

Okay. Well, then, like I said: my resolution is 4K

[teal fractal]

because your screen isnt a graphics setting

[buoyant wolf]

I never said it was

In fact, my screen is the VIZIO 50-inch M-Series M50Q6-J01, 2022 Model

I think we could all clearly tell that I wasn’t talking about the display used to display said graphics. But, instead: the graphics, themselves

I mean you could just use obvious context clues. Cuz otherwise, I wouldn’t have included the resolution, HDMI standard, and detailed its graphics hardware

[polar violet]

I was on battlefield labs 🥼 looking for new Battlefield beta updates/information. It said to join this discord for more news and updates.

It’s not clear based on the channels where new beta information will be shared. Could anyone point me in the right direction?

[kindred sail]

#battlefield-labs-news , #1335997362258186292 , #battlefield-labs-discussion

[scenic elm]

the M16A1 is so sexy

even more so with the M203 heatshield

the A2 also has style

[polar violet]

Many thanks, had to add them

[urban lark]

I used to love the heat shield but I’m more of a fan of the handguard design on the a3 and a4

[keen flame]

why is dice confident they know what's good for the game with a lack of weapon restrictions when they lacked the design sensibility to realize the super fast assault class shouldn't have a self heal in their team based shooter

[scenic elm]

self heal is fine, the weapon restrictions are what most people are worried about

[tidal surge]

How do I join a clan in BF1? When I search, it only says Leave, but I'm not in any clan.

[teal fractal]

1. locked weapon wheels or open dont affect the game much
2. not sure why assault having stim “ruins teamplay”

[teal fractal]

You also need to represent them ingame

[tidal surge]

I don't understand, when I try to join a clan I simply can't.

[alpine edge]

it's not like um BF1 or BF4 so it's BAD.

[livid bay]

Imo stims would've been fine as long as they had a decent cooldown or could only be refilled by a supply crate/pouch

[teal fractal]

It entirely depends on how regen works in that game

[livid bay]

Fair, yeah

Different regen systems would react to assault having a stim differently

[sage elbow]

Delta Force regens stims from player ammo crates only , and not the large map bound crates, which seems to be fair

Meaning if you want them you need to be with your Support team

[keen flame]

team based game, big part of fps game is not dying. if dont need friends to not die less team based

[keen flame]

they need to look at bf2 more than anything

[alpine edge]

medic been doing this since BF4

[alpine edge]

that ship has long sailed 💀

[keen flame]

funny to think of the amount of degree carrying devs they got over there being paid full salaries to "design organic teamplay experiences that foster cooperation and player identity" meanwhile 20 years ago 10 normal dudes were like "oh the army should have a medic guy and a sniper guy who help each other out but also have drawbacks"

[fast bridge]

'10 normal dudes' https://www.mobygames.com/game/18194/battlefield-2/credits/windows/ 🤔

[keen flame]

was thinking of desert combat

you are right that games like battlefield have always needed a bunch of talented engineers, but those guys (who dice later fired lol) were the creative force behind stuff like squads in bf2

[fast bridge]

well I'm sure their mod wouldn't have turned out as good as it did if the game hadn't been decently done

[keen flame]

sure, but that doesn't change how watered down classes are in the new game

[alpine edge]

I'd argue the classes have more depth than the previous modern games

[fast bridge]

mmm... they're more classless then classful

that said you still can just seek out an engineer if you need tank repairs as they all come with the torch

better than requiring 1 of each role in a squad however

it's not unusual to see the heavy weapon crews going all engineer for instance... you'd see more team disolvment if you for them to play different roles

[untold lance]

Anyone tryna get platinum trophy for bfv hmu

[teal fractal]

This makes 0 sense lol

Battlefield would suck so much ass if it was catered around you having to be glued to your teammates

It would also make assault a semi useless class because assault is generally the dogfighter class for infantry vs infantry

Your perspective comes from playing battlefield wrong so in your mind thats the best way to play battlefield

And i mean best way as in effectively playing classes positions and angles

[unique drum]

Battlefield game is a team play game with squads like on BF2, i don't want to be alone and make a big K/D ratio because i have the better guns, ammo and regen health all the time and don't help my team to take objectives or never revive, keep ammo for yourself.
same for the vehicules, each type of vehicules need the others to be protected and not to be overpowered alone.

[hushed vault]

Ive always played BF as a crazy suicidal

I dont care if I win or lose

I just enjoy playing like this

[granite wyvern]

He who dares, Rodney, he who dares

[edgy mantle]

holy shit dude do you play cod or battlefield

[fast bridge]

you 2 should get a room -.-;;

or at least a thread 😄

[edgy mantle]

I'm trying my best to tolerate him here

I'm on the verge of blocking him

[fast bridge]

I know... but man... the arguing gets boring

[edgy mantle]

fair enough I'll get this over with then

i feel like a burden on my soul has been freed

[fast bridge]

🦋

[rose siren]

Ye be arguing with brick walls

[mystic ridge]

Battlefield 4 campaign should've had customisable loadouts at the first place.

[granite wyvern]

A lot of people have

[fast bridge]

I haven't but I just don't bother to respond to him 😄

maybe I should just to keep the noise down

[teal fractal]

The teamplay youre talking about is just very basic role tasks lol

[teal fractal]

I view battlefield players as just a pack of sheep who follow eachother around, doing this doesnt actually mean youre being effective to your teammates, if i see my team stuck in a chokehold i go and make a flank to clear the choke so my teammates can go by and so on so forth whatever the situation is

Pretty much every action you do always counts towards playing the objective because battlefield forces you to play for objectives

[teal fractal]

You probably dont play either if you think they are even remotely comperable

If i see little timmy following me around and giving me a medpack sometimes but doesnt counter peek or cover me or doesnt play with my timing and just fucks shit up it isnt teamplay

Or hold angles and then i just need to check like more than 1 because hes not competent enough and is just spectating me play

99% of battlefield players are that way and they are probably the most ineffective players

[livid bay]

The fundamental things can be compared, but yeah. Cod and bf have a lot of differences

[edgy mantle]

Unlocked weapons and unlimited medpens are definitely cod territory

BF is defined by forced team play due to restrictions

There's a reason an engineer can't have an ammo box and a rocket launcher and an assault rifle

[gray dust]

hey guys i am new i need help once i get ps plus can someone help me with battlefield hardline online trophies?

[little snow]

Is hardline even online any more

[livid bay]

Unlimited med pens isn’t cod. That’s just bad game design

Unlocked weapons can also work if they do it correctly

[gray dust]

yes it is but nobody plays it

[livid bay]

Barely. There isn’t any actual servers running the good game modes

[gray dust]

like according to steam 42 ppl were on, but when i get ps plus can somebody please help me with online and i can’t talk bc my mic broke

[scenic elm]

yes but only has players on EU server

on weekend it's usually full

on a sale you can MAYBE get two servers with players on them

[edgy mantle]

I dunno maybe let's make the game function like the games that actually were successful like BF3 and BF4 rather than BF2042

[little snow]

@gray dust That's to sad, cuz I missed hardline completely and the single player game I found good fun to play

[scenic elm]

i think if the assault has a one use med pen and is restricted to assault rifles and universal shared weapons it would be perfect (like bad company 2 , 3 and 4)

[edgy mantle]

Let the med pens be resuppliable to increase reliance on supports

[gray dust]

yeah i just need to kill i think over 75 ppl with 25 of mac 10, and 25 with double barrel shotty and 25 with the taser gun

[scenic elm]

yes

[livid bay]

Neither of those games were the highest selling

Bf1 was the highest selling and most people I’ve seen say it isn’t the best game mechanically

Successful does not mean good

HL is a good example of an unsuccessful game that’s really good

[edgy mantle]

So by your logic bf2042 is better

BF3 and BF4 weren't perfect but I'd take those mechanics any given day over whatever we had in bf2042

Hell even BF1 mechanics top bf2042 except for a few QoL things like points for forced bailouts and stuff

[teal fractal]

Open Weapons dont change the way people play

[edgy mantle]

Right now we really need a battlefield game that just works on a fundamental level, at least like BF4, a perfect battlefield is still a long way to go since we'd have to change so much that it'll be risky especially when the franchise is at such a turning point

[livid bay]

Not even close. 2042 is the worse bf game ever released

I’m just saying that successfulness isn’t really linked to the game being better. It’s more linked to public perception and lack of bugs

[teal fractal]

And medpens are always limited by something

[teal fractal]

Theres also a reason why assaults have medpens

Also i find it funny that time limited medpens or use limited medpens are an issue for you when battlefield 5 medics could infinitely heal themselves

And they played the anti infantry/revive role in that game

Current assault kit is far weaker anti infantry kit than battlefield 5 medic was

[rose siren]

I think apart of assault being weaker is cuz everyone else can use an ar lol

[teal fractal]

Nah

Because gunfights are won by individual skill not by what gun you play

[rose siren]

Huh? lol

[edgy mantle]

i have no idea if he even plays battlefield at this point

[rose siren]

Prolly not

[brave glacier]

A lot of rage baiting going on lately

[drowsy copper]

He's just some kid trolling at this point

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

Open Weapons vs Closed Weapons

Why not both?

Starting at Open Beta players can choose official playlists with Signature Weapons locked to class, or not.

More to come.

​ · Jul 21, 2025, 3:00 PM

[random blade]

Woah what

Didn’t expect to see that

[chilly spindle]

Giving us updates on an open beta for a game not even revealed yet, nice

[random blade]

Good point lol

[rose siren]

Soo bf4 system?

[random blade]

Depending on the mode

[gentle owl]

THANK YOU ❤️❤️❤️

[random blade]

I’m guessing there has to be some categories open to both with this wide of a weapon pool

[edgy mantle]

WHAT THE HELL

YES

[rose siren]

Wait so we gotta debate in game which one to choose?💀

[edgy mantle]

Gonna be more fun than debating online lol

[feral pewter]

Battlefield is back

[rose siren]

Depends lol

[still flax]

I think August beta

[feral pewter]

I hope shadowdrop beta at the reveal so i guess for the 31 july

[fallen flame]

Im bout to blow

[coarse plank]

Imagine if they drop it on the 4th

That's my 17th Birthday

would be quite the gift

[tidal shuttle]

W move dice

let’s go closed bois

[rose siren]

I want YOU to vote Locked Weapons

I am once again asking to vote Locked Weapons

[solid hinge]

BF6 beta soon!

[regal lynx]

I just had an idea for bf6 what if you could create your own classes with all the gadgets and weapons so you could mix and match gadgets and perks

[livid bay]

So the cod pick 10 system?

Or 2042 before it got fixed

[sacred frigate]

When is this reveal event supposed to be? and where can we watch it?

[solid hinge]

Will be July 31st

[sacred frigate]

niceee

[solid hinge]

EA App reveals Battlefield 6 Beta could start as early as August 4th

[rough plinth]

Please don’t rush release PLEASE

[tidal shuttle]

Oh we’re rushing mcoms again I hope

[solid hinge]

i like it how they are doing open weapons and closed weapons, but im always gonna stick to the classic

[solid glen]

i think i would prefer class exclusion rather than class exclusive weapons, something like this

• assault cannot use SMGs/PDWs
• engineer cannot use assault rifles
• medic/support cannot use snipers
• recon cannot use LMGs

[tidal shuttle]

There should be both , as well as servers that we can customize for our play

[tired thunder]

awesome. more ways to split the remaining playerbase

but it isnt a issue as it will sell 100 million of copies according to ea

[solid hinge]

its best for both worlds

[tidal shuttle]

Having custom settings isn’t a bad thing

[tired thunder]

portal disagrees with you

[tidal shuttle]

they didn’t care about portal lmao

it was a lie

[tired thunder]

thats literally the example of having custom settings

[tidal shuttle]

felt disconnected from the main game

No it’s not. I’m talking about being able to change health values and other restrictions

[tired thunder]

you can do that in portal

[livid bay]

It def won’t sell 100m but we y’all act like there’s only like 2k players still playing bf or that want to play bf

[tidal shuttle]

more folks would’ve played portal if it wasnt a skeleton of the main game

[livid bay]

There’s going to be enough players to split the player base a bit if the game isn’t a complete failure

[tired thunder]

playerbase made it a skeleton of the main game which was already a skeleton

[tidal shuttle]

well that’s what happens when they release a game before it’s ready., no one will play it

[tired thunder]

you only find r* settings like 3000% damage or xp famring servers and barely you find noshar canals tdm for instance

[tidal shuttle]

they got us with “portal is a love letter” I still remember that line lmao

[tired thunder]

bf playerbase doesnt know how to deal with custom settings

not too much settings like in portal

[tidal shuttle]

just have it like bf3 you know give it some options but not too much like to make it xp farm

[livid bay]

They got us with all the marketing

[tidal shuttle]

I don’t farm xp lol was the bots giving it?

[tired thunder]

ahead of schedule

i maybe overthinking about it since its only for open beta

or not

since the past open betas were pretty much the final game

[tidal shuttle]

if we have settings like map rotation , levelution frequency weather night day … health wep restrictions lol I think that’s a good start

[livid bay]

I don’t think levolution exists in the new game. It’s looking to be like bc2 where there’s a ton of medium destruction instead of a big set piece

[tired thunder]

or tornado 2.0

[livid bay]

The tornado would’ve been cool if it wasn’t for 2042

[tired thunder]

tornado was so hard for them to make they couldn't even release the game with a scoreboard

[round eagle]

There going to be B2/B21 stealth bombers and bunker busters in the next bf?

[livid bay]

Unlikely unless they release a DLC/season map with the event bombers like in 4

[tidal shuttle]

Lil sundances flying around

[royal gull]

My takeaway from that tweet isn't the choice but... "Playlists"....

No persistent servers and no server browser still makes this an incomplete Battlefield.

[tidal shuttle]

They want us to play their matchmaking algorithms

[lyric tusk]

doubt it

[tired thunder]

you have to play the experience you dont like and sorry you if you complain

[opaque minnow]

Hey can anyone tell or share me if we can send an email to battlefield community ?

[unique drum]

probably using AI without server browser to calculate the exact number of servers and rank balance and not spend too much on empty servers. (i hope i'm false...) The days of dedicated servers are long gone

[opaque minnow]

I was hoping if I can send a mail to add more maps or can talk with customer support for BFV

[tired thunder]

ai to calculate who is willing to buy micro transactions. MTMM. micro transactions mach making

patent pending*

https://tenor.com/view/homero-homer-patente-pendiente-patent-gif-4672655359101212489

[limber bough]

Activision already has the patent for that

[jolly fog]

https://vxtwitter.com/Battlefield/status/1947310614411616383

Thoughts?

Starting at Open Beta players can choose official playlists with Signature Weapons locked to class, or not.

[solid hinge]

W in my eyes

[tired thunder]

scroll up

[limber bough]

Terrible decision

[jolly fog]

Think this is my only concern

[livid bay]

Are you referring to the weapon playlists or the mtmm?

If you’re referring to the weapon playlists, then what’s the issue? It’ll allow them to get actual data on how many people want locked or unlocked weapons

[keen flame]

I am legitimately shocked, did not think they would budge on this

pretty exciting though

[tropic folio]

i just hope it doesn't carry through to the full release tbh

it's gonna cause big issues with queue times down the line

[keen flame]

how? you'll just join an empty server like any other bf game

[tropic folio]

yes being in an empty server is also a problem

[tidal shuttle]

Servers are empty in 2042?

[tropic folio]

one playlist will be favored and when the game starts losing players it'll get increasingly harder to fill servers

[tidal shuttle]

There’s gonna be players we all in hibernation until bf6 comes out

cod is already flopping let dice scoop them up for a lil bit

[keen flame]

as in a server with open spots lol. Did you ever play bf 2 3 or 4?

[tidal shuttle]

Dice makes a good ahh game population will be a non issue

[tropic folio]

i don't think we're on the same page

[keen flame]

don't really get what your point is, yeah. These are all solved problems that are only complicated by DICE's own new "solutions"

[livid bay]

Imo it’ll just end up like the hardcore servers from 4. Since it was the less popular server type, it died out and forced hardcore players to join normal games

I think the same situation will happen with locked/unlocked. the more popular one will survive while the less popular one will die

[tidal shuttle]

I still find some good hc servers running

[jolly fog]

Yeah same, it's weird seeing an AAA company, esp EA, listen

But I am here for it

[urban lark]

Literally just do class locked weapons at this point

Like why keep negotiating or compromising with unlocked weapons when that’s evidently not what most of the community wants. Or so I believe. The unlocked/locked weapons playlists will be the final verdict to decide what’s really more popular

[wooden stump]

Having shotgun and dmr to all classes would be useful like a recon on operation metro will camp and stay behind but with a shotgun he can push and place beacon near capture points

[urban lark]

Yeah I mean something like that makes sense. Every class needs some sort of branched out option for the meat grinder maps

DMR to all classes no but shotguns or PDWs can be universal options

[solar nexus]

EA officially acknowledged the next battlefield's open beta. The official battlefield Twitter posted:

"Open Weapons vs Closed Weapons

Why not both?

Starting at Open Beta players can choose official playlists with Signature Weapons locked to class, or not.

More to come."

[solid hinge]

we know

[teal fractal]

It doesnt matter how good your weapon is if youre under utilizing it or have poor positioning skill, bad awareness, bad reaction time, bad timing

A lot of good players can play pieper better than your pp-29 or something lol

Its such a bad way to think of it lol

“Grrr this guy won not because i wasnt good enough to win or predict them but because he had this x gun”

[livid bay]

Y’know, from the phrasing, this isn’t fully locked weapons. It seems to be just locking signature weapons to their specific classes

Like, ars are locked to assault, lmgs to support, and snipers to recon

But things like carbine or shotgun are universal

[teal fractal]

Idk we will see

I feel like itll be kinda weird to play a game with locked weapons thats been pretty much designed for open class

But doesnt really matter

[random blade]

While I’m still personally on the fence, it feels strange that they haven’t given any kind of analytical reason as to why they were so adamant to stick to this choice

If they showed data about class role behaviour based on weapon lock state, general player behaviour and compare across tests I’m sure it could give far more content to make these decisions make more sense

[teal fractal]

Ngl thats exactly why they are doing this test, because who are the majority? The extreme loud reddit posters?

[livid bay]

If it’s how I think they’re doing it, I doubt it’ll be that weird. The system was already built with the plan to have people primarily use the signature weapons anyways

But yeah, I do agree that it doesn’t really matter either way. As long as they balance stuff correctly, any type of weapon locking/unlocking can work

[teal fractal]

Theres millions of battlefield players who might on the most part be fine

But to let a few thousand players decide it is kinda crazy

[high cedar]

I actually hope they keep the 2 modes in the final product

Sure it will divide the playerbase

[teal fractal]

Hope not

Theres just no real point

People who play open class likely dont care either way let the boomers play locked weapons for 13h and drop the game til next bf comes so they can complain even more about random things

[livid bay]

Eh. Depends on the implementation

If it’s fully locked then I doubt it will be kept since it’d make gun balancing harder since they’d have to keep track of how it effects both locked and unlocked

[teal fractal]

I have a feeling that it wont be fully locked like 1 and 5 it just doesnt make any sense

[high cedar]

Fully locked is bad in general, you gotta let there be SOME universal weapons

[teal fractal]

Hybrid system makes more sense

Idk id much rather the bf4 class system in a modern shooter rather than make some makeshift universal weapons

But idk it just doesnt matter

[random blade]

Honestly if there are some universal weapons I don’t see the point in locking them

Especially if those universal ones are like carbines or dmrs

[teal fractal]

Theres no point to lock them ingeneral

It wont change anything

[random blade]

Aside from the many reasons people have already shared

[teal fractal]

Other than few things but thats ideal changes that dont actually change anything

Like idk being able to play support weapons in more than 1 different distances

[livid bay]

If it doesn’t change anything, then why not listen to the community and lock it?

[teal fractal]

They can do that aswell yes

[livid bay]

I don’t really care too much about locked vs unlocked, but both sides have decently good arguments

[teal fractal]

I dont mind eitherway its just tiring seeing people think it matters

Like bro open weapons is not going to ruin the game stop overreacting

[rose siren]

Support having snipers is kinda stoopid thou

Just use it for the class that specializes around it

[teal fractal]

The “teamplay” will be bad anyway, no one will properly use gadgets or play their roles, they spam reddit about it because no ones doing what should be done

[rose siren]

I do

[teal fractal]

They will lose most of the gunfights either way despite the game being “more readable”

Literally changes nothing

[rose siren]

Lock em anyways

[livid bay]

Imo it’s less of an argument about game design or balance and more an argument about personal identity vs game identity

Unlocked weapons does hurt game identity a bit since every bf in history (except 2042) has had some form of locked weapons. It’s like how taking away the military theme won’t ruin the game, but it will take away a ton of the identity

[random blade]

I like it cause the restrictions make each class feel properly different, and you can better balance classes like assault with the good weapons instead of making gadgets that are insanely strong and annoying

If we can make assaults strong by just giving them that gun and not feeling the need to give them air bursts again I’d be happy

[urban lark]

Definitely not carbines or DMRs. Shotguns and PDWs are the furthest I’d take it

DMRs are 2nd to actual sniper rifles for the recon class, and carbines should be assault exclusive

About the “teamplay will be bad anyways” point, not if there’s basic friction against pure lone wolfing through class balance and game design, which unlocked weapons DOESNT help stop, by the way

[livid bay]

ATP just remove carbines and merge them into ar like battle rifles

[urban lark]

I agree with that

[random blade]

Restrictions only breathe teamplay in the people who have the awareness to understand when to shift their approach when the weapon’s effectiveness pushes a different playstyle

And the people with that awareness will be doing teamplay stuff anyway

So ye

[urban lark]

Idk, not if a support can just snipe or lone wolf and self heal & resupply at the same time (assuming the support box will actually function that way cause I read something here about that), not if a recon can just feed themselves spots while using a cheesy AR build, I mean just look at 2042 as an example. Easily the worst teamplay out of any title

A lack of weapon restrictions definitely harms teamplay, even if said teamplay is just accidental or coincidental

[rose siren]

Guess that would technically make you more independent than interdependent

By just having every selection available

[urban lark]

Basically, which imo, is super harmful to BFs core design. I always say it and I’ll say it again; a lack of weapons restrictions is just one more step towards the BF community accepting game design that basically makes the franchise a diet CoD

[rose siren]

I guess in a specific way

[random blade]

Sure I guess

[urban lark]

Mainly because while it will attract new players especially from CoD guess what those CoD players will be used to and want in aspects such as balance and other game design

“Hurdur nerf vehikulz again”

Funny enough 2042 is an example of this as well. Absolute garbage vehicle to infantry balance where people complained about vehicles so much early game (when they weren’t even remotely as strong as V or even 4), there’s 509437383838 counters to any vehicle playstyles now

[rose siren]

I think what makes battlefield attractive is cuz it’s different from cod

Let’s not take any inspiration from em

[random blade]

Although every transport having 30 mils and the vehicle categories being so messy I can say just wasn’t it

[urban lark]

Those transports should just be smited

[rose siren]

I think every vehicle in 42 were also pretty independent aswell yknow

[solar nexus]

Any word on the server browser yet?

[rose siren]

Or don’t rly have their district purpose

[urban lark]

Judging by the wording about locked and unlocked weapon “playlists” it’s hard to say if bf6 will have a server browser or persistent servers

[random blade]

Yeah. It was pain

[rose siren]

Persistent servers atleast like cmon

[solar nexus]

Portal is returning so server browser would be there for that specific mode. But we need server browser for all the modes

[random blade]

I love vehicles in bf and want that power imbalance but the state they were in initially was not good

[urban lark]

I hate dealing with competent vehicle players but because of the principle I’m all on board with slightly OP vehicles (in the right hands)

Vehicles used to be their own entire play style just like infantry, now they just feel like inconvenient obstacles that anyone can lob rockets at like a fly swatter

[rose siren]

Maybe let aa vehicles just be aa or sumthing

[solar nexus]

Vehicles were imbalanced in bf2042. The vehicle call-ins ruined the fun

We need naval combat back again

[rose siren]

That as well lol

[solar nexus]

There hasn't been good naval combat since battlefield 1

[trail pagoda]

Naval combat on Bf4 was PEAK

[urban lark]

I might F around and say we need BF1942 naval combat again

Fully walkable and controllable destroyers, battleships, cruisers and destroyers

[wooden stump]

when you think you can't even dive on 2042 arica harbor but you could on bfbc2

[urban lark]

2002 game btw!

[chilly spindle]

In the proper hands vehicles just ruin some matches because some people are God tier at flying, though that didn't happen a ton

[solar nexus]

You couldn't do several other things in bf2042. It wasn't the best battlefield. So don't use that as example

[urban lark]

I think they were supporting your argument because how does the game just not have a diving or pistol while swimming “mechanic”

I don’t even think you can call it a mechanic like, it’s just basic movement

[wooden stump]

Yes, really dissapointed, especially about the immersion. I would like to see a remake of pearl market and markaz monolith, those maps were god tier!

[solar nexus]

Bring back two seats jets from battlefield 2 and 3. Where one person would handle air combat and the 2nd person would handle guided land missiles

[wooden stump]

Just bring diversity to maps and gameplay

[solar nexus]

Battlefield 1942 had submarines. No battlefield had submarines since then

[wooden stump]

bomber, 2 seats jets, naval combat, verticality, destruction and interaction with elements in maps

[urban lark]

This is the stuff frostbite is supposed to be known for

[wooden stump]

maybe it's too difficult to balance and make it fun

[solar nexus]

Being back drivable aircraft carrier from bf1942

That one is a bit more extreme

But it can be balanced

[wooden stump]

I hope we will have more than one map per season. 4 was cool and you can have an original theme like in the old dlc: close quarter, earthquake, vertical urban fight, middle east, naval etc...

[urban lark]

It would work fine if there were dedicated naval maps again

I left out some context about the fully controllable ships and vehicles from bf1942. I think they were exclusive to the wake island map

[wooden stump]

wasn't Midway another naval map?

[urban lark]

Midway* oops

[solar nexus]

I wish they went back to the dlc packs. That actually incentivised EA to deliver more contents over time. Bf5 being a live service resulted in a lot less contents than bf1 and a lot of the good contents were scrapped

Like bf5 was supposed to have more factions and maps

[urban lark]

Or maybe both? Idk that game is older than me

[solar nexus]

Dlcs packs worked pretty good for bf4, and bf1

[urban lark]

Facts but something something “paying for content bad” like people aren’t literally spending 10x as much as they ever would on DLCs on skins that do nothing

[wooden stump]

anyway having at least a few naval maps dedicated to that type of gameplay would be cool, not a ton of them but 2/3 of them is great. I really enjoy operation mortar and Nansha strike

[tidal shuttle]

Carrier assault

[solar nexus]

Give us something like heligoland and/or paracel storm

[wooden stump]

this mode is also great, capturing objectives have a purpose

[granite wyvern]

Could not agree more.

[dreamy sand]

yo, anyone know a fix to the issue where bf4 opens in the background? ik the fix is meant to be editing profsave_profile, but that file is nowhere to be found for me

[wooden stump]

Skins, if they are implemented well aren't a problem for me. Except elites, customisation of bfv was great. But we just need more content that's it

[tidal shuttle]

If only bf5 got the support bf1 did

[robust ibex]

do u have to sign up again for more labs testing or does it take into account previous participation

[steel ridge]

ready for battlefield

[barren cloud]

I wonder what the next bf game will look like when it's fully polished and the graphics to the max.

[high cedar]

I just hope for some stormy/night maps pls

It's all I ask for

[robust ibex]

i dont imagine much better than 2042
bf1 still king and its fricking 9y old lol

[tropic wharf]

this and some darker color palettes overall

2042 just seems so bright imo

[solid hinge]

Anyone even still plays 2042 lol

[tropic wharf]

playing the dumpster that is 2042 will make the BF6 open beta even sweeter

[simple wharf]

You guys every play those BF1 servers back in the day that were Fort de Vaux nonstop. Just back to back tons of kills. Quick way to unlock guns.

[radiant flame]

Try playing one of those psycho 64 player 200% damage Frontline games

I once had 85k score in there or something like that

I picked a heavy tank in the beginning of the game and never died even though I didn't camp and always pushed

It's also pretty fun and easy to play infantry in these servers

[paper laurel]

"Best of both worlds" ahh announcement

(which i mean, better than having neither)

[tidal shuttle]

It’s something

[urban lark]

It’s basically impossible to beat graphics that are really just real life photos

Graphics peaked in the mid 2010s and now we’re somehow regressing by thinking that making surfaces glossy is “omega realistic gud grafix 4k UHD gameplay”

[urban lark]

BF has been ridiculously bright and colorful ever since V and I don’t like it either. Definitely need a blend of light and dark pallets on maps

[ebon glade]

Need that blue tint back 😎

[dusk radish]

Great opportunity for a new, never been done PVE mode for BF6. Sounds like the campaign is short so this would be a great seller for those looking for another option beside PVP.

[tropic wharf]

4 had the best balance imo

3 had the blue which is nostalgically good, but kinda meh

and 1 was a bit too dark

[tropic wharf]

BFV was gonna have a more developed PvE mode, but it fell through

and I would argue that this franchise just is never gonna focus on that front

BF is MP

you're better off looking elsewhere for pve

[livid bay]

4 was good, but imo HL was better

It had maps all over the spectrum and still managed to make their colors look good

[tropic wharf]

Ye, HL was pretty good

especially that mansion map

shame that game got trashed

[livid bay]

Sad that one missbranding caused a whole studio to be shut down 🥲

I still swear that it would’ve done good if it was just called Hardline and wasn’t connected to battlefield

[white delta]

1 has the best immersion and graphics to this day imo

only one I can continue playing year after year and not get bored

maps are very well done

only downside to 1 is player movement

desert combat though still was the best times out of any bf game or mod

[magic vapor]

One or maybe two BF without campaign and people think that its no longer going to have campaign, i disagree, there is always room for campaigns, it just doesn't generate as much revenue as online multiplayer BUT if they want the player base to return and grow to be able to sit in the top 10 of games out within the next 12 months then they are going to have to pull something out the hat that stands out and what better than a solid story, the usual online mayhem and other new modes such as the BR style modes or extraction shooter also with some focus on a direction to mil sim play maybe. Hardline was a good example of how diverse their engine can be and they should try new things and experiment with other chosen spots on the timeline be it modern, old or even future, where is a re-make of BF2142 or at least something that far into the future, i think it would be good to see what the result of future warfare would be like after so long since 2142.

[magic vapor]

If only we had access to the tools they made their videos and trailers with
there would be some epic shorts out there already
why on earth did they stop modding, are they that worried another modder will create something better than their title itself like DC mod for BF1942?
After all DC mod is what changed the style direction of the series at the start.
Yup i can confirm that:

While Battlefield 1942 itself was a source of inspiration for the Desert Combat mod, the mod's success and features, especially its modern combat setting, weapons, and vehicles, heavily influenced the direction of Battlefield 2 and the modern Battlefield franchise as a whole.

DICE's Acquisition:
DICE, the developer of the Battlefield series, acquired Trauma Studios, the creators of the Desert Combat mod, which further cemented the mod's impact on the series' development.

Features and Innovations:
Many features seen in Battlefield 2 and later games can be traced back to innovations and additions introduced in the Desert Combat mod.

An interesting read for anyone interested what happened to the team that created DC mod for BF1942 and what happened to them:

https://medium.com/@pcgneurotic/trauma-in-the-desert-part-2-6cb0dd9ae687

[white delta]

You need single player to set the narrative otherwise you’re just playing a meaningless simulator especially if the conflict is made up like 2042. Milsims are boring asf no skill gap, don’t get why people play them just join the military. Firestorm was amazing but team stop supporting it and never made it free to play

In general dice used to be innovative. Invented hit markets by accident cause 1942 had bad rubber banding early on. Team needs to bring some new creative content, cod is trash / finally dying and they have opportunity to overtake it

Either way it’s a shame we have two back to back modern bf in a row. Should have not made 2042 a cartoon so we could get some other conflicts like Korean War, Vietnam, desert storm, Rhodesian war, etc. Also it’s lame asf the guns have fake names, this isn’t cod don’t have to follow California laws. Spent hundreds of millions on development but won’t license the guns real names.

[urban lark]

BF1 movement is fine. Don’t know why people want Battlefield to be a movement shooter (generally speaking)

Bro milsims have a ton of skill gap, aka actually learning positioning, tactics and coordination

[paper laurel]

milsims are boring asf

[urban lark]

Eh

People complain about triple A fps all day but god forbid they try something new and embrace a new skill gap and learning curve

Though some really don’t like how they play which is understandable

[urban lark]

Rhodesian war battlefield game? lol

[livid bay]

Bf1 movement was fine for a ww1 shooter. It fit the theming. That style of movement doesn’t really work for a modern-style bf tho.

I’m not saying that it should be insane movement shooter fast, but it needs to be around 4-V’s level

[white delta]

lol yeah brah unless we wanna fight johnny depp ai in the future or something

[urban lark]

Fair

[livid bay]

1. 2042 isn’t really modern. It’s close future. 6 is seeming to be a present day setting, which has vastly different technology

2. I’d rather have fake gun names if it means that they have more money to spend on actually important parts of the game. You can see what the gun is based off of 99% of the time just by looking at it anyways

[urban lark]

BF1 movement could work for any non jet pack theme, but people insist that battlefield needs ‘skill gap’

[white delta]

I dont mind bf1 movement its the only game I play, the crouching could be improved though and the inability to climb rocks sometimes

and not being able to shoot while jumping is annoying

[urban lark]

But for the sake of kinda pleasing everyone all around yeah I’d say 4 is a good example. Combine the groundedness of that with the mechanics V had and I’d be ok with it

[livid bay]

It can work in shooters, yeah. I’m just saying that it doesn’t really work for a modern bf. Somewhere between 4 and V’s movement systems would be best just so there’s some ability to use movement to your advantage

[urban lark]

I find it interesting how everyone can at least understand why bf1 plays slower, but why ww2 onwards can just be all hell let loose for no particular reason

[white delta]

its amazing too how bf1 has better graphics than bfv

[urban lark]

Like why can’t ww2, Cold War or modern themes be seen as serious and immersive? Is it just pop culture influence?

[white delta]

dunno why should be able to, think they just nailed the photorealism with bf1

maybe its easier when you have a baseline of real world events to work off of and have to invent less of the story

[urban lark]

I like how bf1 is a game that actually wanted players to care in an educational but engaging sense about the theme of the game instead of just feeding into the same old grind and minmax game design everyone else does

[white delta]

yeah its unique, never thought they could make an entertaining game out of that war. Makes me think there's possibilities with korean war eventhough its not the same team at dice anymore.

[urban lark]

My idea of a battlefield game involving Korea or Vietnam in the modern gaming world would probably be a bigger Cold War gone hot scenario, just the way players expectations are + live service makes niche conflicts impossible to do on their own

Whereas it’s easier to create a story where Korea and Vietnam go hot, ww3 breaks out in Europe and boom you’ve immediately got hella potential for maps and guns

[sharp stag]

i would love a korean war bf, insane potential for maps and prototype weapons

[white delta]

Needs a nice balance of fiction and non fiction, otherwise its hard to connect with the game. Hope they try something new or there is a new game mode, got nothing to lose at this point. Game industry in in shambles last few years. Started with gtav when publishers thought they needed to spend just as much as rockstar to make a good game then covid hit + Microsoft tanking compounded everything.

[sharp stag]

i heard they’re making a battle royale for bf6

[white delta]

supposed to be like firestorm

which im down for as long as they support it

[sharp stag]

i actually loved firestorm

[white delta]

and theres no sbmm

[sharp stag]

played it constantly

[white delta]

yeah was awesome

warzone copied a lot from firestorm

[sharp stag]

im pretty sure theyre gonna make the battle royale free like warzone, hopefully introduces some new fans into battlefield

[white delta]

they have to or its dead on arrival

[sharp stag]

eh, brs copy each other all the time. fortnite copied apex all the time

[white delta]

just worried brs have run their course and a new mode is needed

something like a persistent battle would be cool on a massive map pushing the frontlines

[urban lark]

Operations deserved better

[livid bay]

Something like Helldiver’s continuous war story could be cool. Like, you can choose a side and go through large battles or operations to progress certain fighting areas

That’d probably be way too big for a secondary gamemode though so it’d have to be like HL where a smaller studio makes it as a separate game without dice

[solid hinge]

Whoever thinks milsim is boring is probably 14 years old and hardwired to tiktok

[unkempt plover]

One of the only bf5 servers i can play on has recon class can only use pistols and no mmg on support

[teal fractal]

This is why a lot of people are super against open weapons and it feels like the dumbest thing ive ever heard

Dudes just wanted bc2 re-releaaed for 20 years

[teal fractal]

How are you measuring it lol, go to any battlefield game prior to 2042 and they are equally clueless

2042 imo has so much more to do with maps because when you look at other players they are visibly in shock and confused

Dont know what to hold, dont know where enemies could rotate from, dont know flanks, rotations

Battlefield has never in its entire life had people who “teamplay”

It exists as an idea of there being 32v32 players but inreality its just what, little timmy giving you ammo on a good sunny day?

[granite wyvern]

What?

[teal fractal]

Why do you want to stop this? You make it sound like you cant play the game unless youre on a leash following little timmy around

[unkempt plover]

Server admin has locked all recon weapons but pistols and locked MMG for support

[granite wyvern]

Why is it one of the only servers you can play on?

[unkempt plover]

Australian PC player

We have one server and it's 1/64 conquest

[teal fractal]

When battlefield has always been quite literally playing outside the box, if i played with the rest of my team not only would i die much more because battlefield players are incompetent id be able to do far less because the rest of my team is clueless on where to be at

[teal fractal]

No one asked this either btw

[granite wyvern]

Jeez, that sucks - in the regions I play on Xbox there are plenty of DICE servers

[teal fractal]

Its very basic level skills, look at cs2, even if people strat and have half decent positions theres a very big skill gap in mechanical skill

[unkempt plover]

Yep
Playing on pc in OCE means all your favorite games dies 50x faster then every other region

Crossplay would've been nice for BfV

[granite wyvern]

You can’t play in other regions?

[unkempt plover]

I am
The best i can do is 90ping asian servers which has two servers one being 24/7 breakthrough but it has fucked restrictions

[teal fractal]

They are garbage lol

[teal fractal]

The way people imagine “hardcore intense teamplay” is by clicking medpouch button sometimes, dont see why it changes anything for them

[granite wyvern]

STG started as a New Zealand / Australian clan back on Medal of Honor 2010 followed by Hardline. We used to play together fine back then.

[sterile jolt]

BFV's failure should indicate people who ''hardcore teamplay'' isn't the way to go too tbh.

[urban lark]

Some people will complain about triple A FPS all day but act like slower video game movement and fast TTK will be the bain of their existence if it means they can get proper live service and better games in general

The fact that they’re immersive unlike CoD or whatever else is just the cherry on top

[teal fractal]

Milsims are for such a niche playerbase lol

[west mirage]

Tell me about it, just finished a recent game where my teammates are absolutely dumb, they don't spam smokes and camps with their Tanks behind the resupply station

[urban lark]

So what’s your point, anecdotal experience therefore teamplay irrelevant?

[teal fractal]

Its factual lol

[west mirage]

Literally

[teal fractal]

No one counter peeks, no one counter frags, no one holds angles for you, no one plays with your timing

Giving out a medpouch is like minimum effort

[west mirage]

Hell I tried reviving someone without smokes since I've used all of them for pushing but since I had teammates nearby, I was confident that they'll watch my back while reviving only for it get killed by an enemy which my teammates apparently couldn't see in front of them

[teal fractal]

Also the fact that majority of players end up getting 1 or less kills per minute and go neg kd means that you sometimes need to kill far more aka put more effort into your kills just to not get spawn trapped because the rest of your team is just feeding into enemies for 25 minutes

[teal fractal]

Whenever i play battlefield i always feel like im playing with like literal blind and deaf people

[west mirage]

Absolute facts

[teal fractal]

I find it impossible for them to be so bad, i watched 3 enemies walk infront of a stair camper yesterday and he didnt start firing at them

[urban lark]

Cause your teammates could totally read your mind and couldn’t have been tunnel visioned right

[teal fractal]

Just staring at them the entire time as they came up the stairs

Like how is it possible lol

[west mirage]

The enemy is literally in front of them

It's not that hard to spot

[teal fractal]

“But i gave little timmy a medpouch”🥺

[urban lark]

Some players are a bit special to say the least

But again tunnel vision is a thing

[teal fractal]

Its common sense to see if theres an enemy surrounding a dead person lol

What else could you be thinking about

[west mirage]

Fr like the enemy is 10m in front of them

It's not that hard to spot especially if the enemy if running towards my teammates

[teal fractal]

Right so teamplay doesnt exist lol, a good player will always understand what the other good player is attempting to do

[urban lark]

I have pickle ignored but I’m pretty sure I know what this discussion is about so I’ll just clarify;

Nobody is asking for orchestra level cooperation in a big FPS sandbox, but BF has had a lot of its identity made by classes and how they all have their unique roles, gadgets and weapons all give said roles more identity and encourage unique playstyles

Literally repeating myself at this point

[teal fractal]

You keep saying weapons give more identity but each time you just fail to give an actual reason to why, other than “past games were restricted”

Literally doesnt change the gameplay of the game

[west mirage]

Especially if you're 3 out of 4 in a squad are dead and are ready to spawn besides you

[teal fractal]

I also dont see how “class identity” goes into “teamplay”

How does that matter?

You could give no roles and just weapons to everyone, teamplay is still nonexistent

[teal fractal]

Also weapons and roles dont make up a “playstyle” its something inherently unique for each player regardless and you only see it happening with good players lol

[solid hinge]

Y’all still arguing with this guy about class identity

[solid hinge]

He is looping on the same stupid arguments again

[urban lark]

Naw lol I’m only talking rn cause mystery man said something about an anecdotal experience therefore teamplay irrelevant

Or so that’s the idea I got from it

[teal fractal]

It isnt anecdotal

[west mirage]

With BF6 based on leaks has the QoL feature that allows you to grab Health and Ammo from the Support teammates (thank heavens we got this feature back), we could grab it by ourselves cuz relying on my Support class who doesn't drop boxes sucks

[teal fractal]

Yeah a lot of people dont even do the bare minimum

Seems like arch does nothing but insult whoever discusses things normally and respectfully because their rosetinted glasses make everyone else wrong

[urban lark]

Yeah he can have fun with him

Not as if every major BF creator and most of the community don’t just outright disagree with how they see it for no reason

[solid hinge]

This is the guy that thought padding stats isn’t possible in bf5 btw

[solid hinge]

Word

They’re gonna be coping hard in a few months

[teal fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947872594206539806/1345827308295946433/Timeline_1.mov?ex=6880831a&is=687f319a&hm=9001ba485429f30554415cd5b98dd565b4c2951e010df51722553f0b634de404& they keep talking about teamplay when people play like this

Lulw

[urban lark]

I know it’s not the strongest argument to be like “well literally everyone else just disagrees with you” but I can only try to actually make an argument for so long until someone continues to prove how disingenuous they’re being for whatever reason

Rage bait or pure denial who knows

[teal fractal]

Havent proven me wrong though

[solid hinge]

You don’t have to prove a disingenuous person wrong

You refuse to acknowledge other people’s arguments so it is fair to ignore you

[teal fractal]

I acknowledge them though lol i literally break down their argument and show why it doesnt work and explain why its not a real thing

[solid hinge]

Thing is the vast majority of the community does disagree with him which is simply shown with the failure of 2042 anyway

[teal fractal]

You come in here, you then insult every counter argument i made

[solid hinge]

You don’t read arguments you spent the last 6 days doing so, no point in arguing

The time you decide to grow up we’ll discuss in a civil manner

[teal fractal]

You call me a cheater say im just a stat padder instead of actually talking about what im talking about and then say that i dont acknowledge others

Holy airball

[solid hinge]

Grow up

[teal fractal]

You legit told me to die because i said that valorant isnt a cs2 alternative but i am the one who needs to grow up

Crazy

You cant handle arguments when they dont work for you and then you lose your bananas over. It and spams insults inchat until little timmy agrees with you on something

[west mirage]

Valorant is a tactical hero shooter tbh

[teal fractal]

Its the furthest thing from cs2

[west mirage]

True

[teal fractal]

Outside of it being a 5v5

[solid hinge]

You need to grow up and then we’ll talk simple as

[teal fractal]

You wished death upon me becausw you couldnt handle a discord debate, why are you telling me to grow up

[urban lark]

In my anecdotal experiences many BFV medics would be almost too consistent with reviving me when I just wanted to be lazy and just die and respawn through the map select screen

Therefore pickle is wrong

[teal fractal]

Few people revive doesnt = teamplay good lol

I can go into spec menu right now and everyone will either be neg kd or barely positive

Not because they dont get many kills but because they are perma dead regardless if they get revived or not

[west mirage]

Bruh xD

[teal fractal]

I have like a 1-2 minute long video of someone sitting in a corner on an empty objective

Probably thinking its teamplay because “hes defending objective”

Like damn

Top 10 most useful battlefield players

[urban lark]

Watch the unlocked weapons playlists in the beta only be populated by people wanting to know what the fuss was while the locked playlists get actual players

[granite wyvern]

Hardcore team play?

[teal fractal]

It doesnt matter😭

Holy how long does it take people to understand

What difference does it make bruh

[west mirage]

Actual players is crazy, as if people won't try it and probably enjoy it more

[urban lark]

“Hardcore team play” and it was just attrition which forced people to actually give medics and support XP for doing something

For once I’m defending that mechanic

[urban lark]

Is it not self evident by the amount of backlash DICE got over the decision that that is not true

[teal fractal]

Again its bareminimum teamplay that helps no one

[urban lark]

Is it not self evident by the fact that DICE mostly didn’t feel the need to mess with weapon restrictions for 20+ yrs until 2042 came out and basically killed everything the franchise is known for that the decision isn’t actually based in any real reasoning and was just to promote the stupid original specialist concept

[teal fractal]

If i had lexienn, wald, mut4wo as assaults with me in a 4 man id probably never die despite there being no medics lol

[urban lark]

And DICE THINKS people want the freedom but most of the community wants a proper return to form/tradition game

[granite wyvern]

Can’t believe people don’t use the tools given to them in a team based game - mic / pings / revives / resupplies. Even if you are not great, you can do much better by playing as a squad.

[teal fractal]

Open weapons werent the reason it was badly recieved

[west mirage]

Battlefield has a huge playbase and probably the those who don't spend their time in the internet and complain about it will probably like it

[urban lark]

Nah bro one guy didn’t get healed on a locker server while nearby medics were being shot at by 30 people therefore wrong

[teal fractal]

Infact ive never seen anyone complain about open weapons until battlefield 6 was announced to have it too

Because 1) doesnt matter 2) people dont care

[west mirage]

Let's see bad maps, lack of content during and after launch, specialist, bad vehicle design (i.e Gunships), Portal dying in the first day cuz DICE outright disabled the XP

[granite wyvern]

Worst team mates are those who are never at fault and blame everyone else

[urban lark]

Well yeah you’re talking about the Uber casuals who just play the game because “gun”

That’s definitely not most of the player base though

[west mirage]

I forgot lack of persitent server and QoL feature like being able to grab Health and Ammo

[teal fractal]

Yeah then the countless amount of bugs, they had to refund their own game and rerelease it, it was still bad

Then it took them 2 years to rework some basic things

[west mirage]

That's literally the most player base in this franchise

[teal fractal]

Open weapons were the smallest concern for 2042

[west mirage]

It's Battlefield

Not not CS or Valorant but even those had tons of it too

[teal fractal]

I legit never noticed battlefield 2042 playing any different compared to any other battlefield because of the “kits”

Other than the specialists and whatnot

[west mirage]

Fr like the universal weapons wasn't the real issue why 2042 failed

[urban lark]

It was one of them

[teal fractal]

Nah

[urban lark]

Deteriorated the roles of classes

[west mirage]

Not really

[teal fractal]

No one even talked about it until battlefield 6 was announced without one

[teal fractal]

In what way

[west mirage]

Literally

[urban lark]

Alright I’ve been successfully baited into repeating myself 3x in the span of the same 24 hour period I’m not entertaining this anymore

[west mirage]

You just keep recycling the same argument

[teal fractal]

You keep repeating statements but you dont actually explain what they mean

Youve said it destroys roles of the classes? Ok in what way

Elaborate

[urban lark]

You either get it or you don’t, but if most of the BF community, as you said, is people who apparently don’t interact with the game on social media at all, then I don’t see how the problem got so bad for DICE that they’re just giving up and are like “why not both”

[west mirage]

Yeah cuz having two playlist is equivalent to bad

[teal fractal]

Because both can work, because both make sense

[west mirage]

When in reality it could work

[teal fractal]

Also this tbh

[urban lark]

The point is the issue is so known to dice they’re giving both a locked and unlocked playlist option

[teal fractal]

Dividing playerbases if it goes onto the maingame is pretty horrible

[urban lark]

DICE takes feedback from a lot of sources I’m sure. Depends on if they actually apply it forward, but most of the community isn’t your average 9-5 Joe

Even then do you think that 9-5 Joe complains about literally anything anyways lol

[teal fractal]

Leviiathan im still waiting for you to elaborate on this though?

[west mirage]

Like BF community tends to over analyze when they spot an enemy like oh a Support, that class has an LMG so I must be careful when in reality is just can I kill this player? And if the answer is no then reposition and if the answer is yes then we shot the player

[teal fractal]

You are the 9-5 joe complaining about everything if you think something as little of a thing such as “someone playing lmg/ar/sniper/dmr/pdwr/carbine/shotgun/ar) on assault/support/engineer/recon” actually matters or affects anything

[west mirage]

Especially in BF4 since that game has a micro bursting mechanic which also depends on your gun, you have to reposition

[teal fractal]

Lets say im playing an lmg as an engineer or sniper (doesnt really matter) despite having those weapons it doesnt change the fact that engineer is an anti vehicle class or a class that repairs vehicles

Because the gadgets are role defining

[teal fractal]

Literally oh my god thank you

[west mirage]

Yeah cuz gadgets define the Classes like if you see an Assault or Medic that player has a gadget that heals

[teal fractal]

Ive been telling them for so long that it doesnt matter what weapon someone has

They dont understand that gunfights arent won by weapons but by individual skill

[west mirage]

BFV which had strict weapons just equivalents of me to can I shot this guy? And if the answer is no then I have to get closer or reposition

[alpine edge]

usually my first instinct is to shoot someone whatever

[solid hinge]

It’s only going to be populated by the kids that have bought skins in the beta the rest is going to be playing the real game the way it’s meant to be and most people want

[teal fractal]

A good player playing a worse weapon will be far more effective than a bad player playing a good weapon

[alpine edge]

archimonk is back from the slammer

[west mirage]

Thank You 😂

Literally

[teal fractal]

Yeah because thats how the game is played inreality

[granite wyvern]

I’m easy either way on the weapons lock (as long as gadgets are locked).

[alpine edge]

same, gadgets are far more important

[teal fractal]

Regardless of what weapon someone has, if they are pressured i can push, if they are starting to pressure me i rotate, if i have the better positioning and timing i will 99% win the gunfight regardless of what weapon they play

[urban lark]

If gadgets are (I believe reasonably) locked then locking weapons is just the obvious next step

[alpine edge]

not really

[teal fractal]

Literally nothing implies that weapons matter

[alpine edge]

most weapon classes barring bolt actions and shotguns are all pretty samey

[urban lark]

Shotguns and PDWs only, rest goes to the slammer

[west mirage]

Even Carbines in BF4 at least but that's changes for BF6

[teal fractal]

I cant wait for leviiathan to pull some stupid example of “well but support can play sniper rifle then” when bf1 had general liu and 5 had carbines

[urban lark]

So why do gadgets make every class unique and not guns

When it just makes sense for support to be using an LMG, or recon DMRs/snipers

[teal fractal]

Take away gadgets from everyone and they are without roles

[alpine edge]

because you got a role to fufill with said gadgets

[urban lark]

Nah just let Assault keep carbines

[teal fractal]

Give gadgets to everyone and they have roles

Simple

[alpine edge]

anyone can kill with a gun

[urban lark]

How do LMGs not help Support fulfill its role

[alpine edge]

but only a support can heal etc

[urban lark]

Or how do snipers/DMRs not help a recon fulfill its role

[teal fractal]

How does it help

[alpine edge]

recons gadgets work better for cqc

[teal fractal]

And how does it help

[urban lark]

And if you’re incentivizing classes to use particular guns, then wtf is the point in unlocking them anyways

[alpine edge]

for fun 😃

[urban lark]

Clearly just a petty move on EA DICEs part

[alpine edge]

weapons just aren't important vro 🥀

[teal fractal]

Unlocked weapons dont really affect much other than make every classes more viable in every engagement distance

[urban lark]

There’s plenty of other ways the game can be fun. Restrictions don’t immediately equate to not fun. BF works with these restrictions that makes its gameplay unique in the genre, it’s worked to get battlefield to the name it is now, don’t reinvent the wheel

[alpine edge]

well

[teal fractal]

It doesnt but you keep talking about it as if it genuinelly matters

[alpine edge]

I don't think those restrictions really offer anything gameplay wise

[teal fractal]

It doesnt matter if support plays lmgs they will still die the exact same way and play the exact same way

[granite wyvern]

Because if I’m medic my role is to heal / revive, Support to give Ammo / build (or whatever), Assault to destroy vehicles, Recon to spot.

[alpine edge]

the only thing restriction did was epic class larp

[teal fractal]

But why not change it? It doesnt matter

[urban lark]

You either get it or you don’t I guess

[fast bridge]

wait... that just described Quake Wars... and that failed 😔

[teal fractal]

?

[alpine edge]

this would make more sense in a more rigid game but battlefield is an arcadey skib shooter

[granite wyvern]

No idea what that is

[fast bridge]

Id's attempt at battlefield

only they released server software

[urban lark]

Yeah I agree with that. Now if a spotting class is meant to play a recon/info role then it’s weapon niche should be snipers and DMRs

[fast bridge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Territory:_Quake_Wars

[teal fractal]

It doesnt matter

[alpine edge]

technically recon also specialises in cqc

[teal fractal]

Because any player can spot anyway

And yes they do

Tugs, beacons

C4

[alpine edge]

recons gadgets are far more useful up close

[urban lark]

Only in BF4 really

Maybe 1 if we really start reaching

[alpine edge]

its any game

[teal fractal]

In 1,5,4,3,2042

[alpine edge]

tugs is good

spawn beacons for flank

like

[urban lark]

Recon can be OP on like, locker sure, but most other maps?

[alpine edge]

they're better off with cqc guns

[teal fractal]

Anythings more effective within closer ranges

[west mirage]

They already have Assault Rifles so making Carbines exclusive for them is just useless

[teal fractal]

The further you are the more worthless you are to your team

Common sense

[granite wyvern]

Recon is the only one where locking guns may make sense. (Although there are exceptions when they do - Trench Carbine on BFV is a run n gun gun).

[urban lark]

Let’s be real the video game difference between carbines and full assault rifles is negligible

[alpine edge]

just remove snipers

[urban lark]

no

[alpine edge]

they encourage bad playstyles

[west mirage]

Based

[urban lark]

Not based

[teal fractal]

Based

[urban lark]

I never found a problem with at most like 7 recons sniping across the map, if anything it made for fun whack a mole games to snipe back. The rest of the game still goes on just fine

[alpine edge]

weapon class for Chris Kyle LARPers

[urban lark]

Kinda true

[teal fractal]

Had to ban scouts in bf1 because 1 team would heavy camp with scouts and it unbalanced the game everytime because no one did anything

[west mirage]

Sure but they already have ARs so making Carbines exclusive for them is useless since Carbines are usually reserved for other Classes

[urban lark]

In BF4 yes but idk, I hated the recon M4 users

[west mirage]

Why cuz they're playing aggressively?

[alpine edge]

why

[urban lark]

Target detector was just stupid but I’m kinda biased

[west mirage]

I would rather have M4 Recons than pushes obj and having tons of kills than a guy sitting on a back of the base

[teal fractal]

You had free target detector on any class

Minimap + Q

[west mirage]

Literally

[urban lark]

Honestly recon should be an irrelevant class on meat grinder maps, literal non issue when someone can just switch to assault or whatever

[alpine edge]

that sounds awful for class balance

completely invaldiating a class because of distance

[teal fractal]

Why? Maybe some people like ratting spawn beacons

[urban lark]

Meat grinders make up like, on average maybe a few maps out of any entire particular game

[teal fractal]

Or putting up tugs for flank routes

[alpine edge]

still poor design

[urban lark]

Not when people complain about wanting a break from vehicles and want infantry only options

[teal fractal]

Youre taking away someones favorite class to play because their weapons are ineffective within a specific map

[west mirage]

I swear most Recons wanted to be put in a Top Play since they saw a Recon hitting a Pilot using Sniper or a 1000m headshot 😭

[urban lark]

And then they always want a damn metro remake lmao

[alpine edge]

aura farming class

[urban lark]

I mean this isn’t a new concept. Some maps for example are obviously vehicle playgrounds

Why want a meat grinder and then complain that the long range class has to play long ranges

[teal fractal]

Its called bad map design

[west mirage]

Again they've already pointed that Recon with Carbines are useful in Meatgrinder maps especially setting up Flank Routes

[urban lark]

Fort de Vaux does fine giving recon some good opportunities to shine though I will say that

[west mirage]

Like Lancang Dam and majority of 2042 maps

[teal fractal]

Youre the only person viewing it as a long range class when inreality bf1 scout is the only scout class thats not very effective from anything lower than 40 meters

[random blade]

Even then recons can be great on them for taking out those right defensive angles once you learn them

[urban lark]

This is probably the only convincing argument I can think of in favor of either a carbine universal class or unlocked weapons. Still fails because they can either do fort de faux level map design where there’s some outside portions that you could snipe on if you really wanted to, or you could just play a cqb oriented class

[west mirage]

Don't forget BF1 scout has the bs Sweet Spot mechanic

[urban lark]

According to y’all BF1 and V infantry maps would’ve just been unplayable and unbalanced lol (barely any cqb options for the recon in both games)

[teal fractal]

Yeah but interms of raw cqc gameplay their kit isnt very great

Compared to 5,4,3,2042

Or hardline

Im expecting that leviiathan has only played bf1 maybe thats why he thinks that way

[west mirage]

Fr unless even if they got the WW1's version of the Deagle

[teal fractal]

Nah they were the only playable ones

Every good map from bf1 and 5 are infantry centered maps

[urban lark]

Kinda ironic you mention this considering sweet spot was created to encourage aggressive snipes and make recon competent in “closer” ranges

[alpine edge]

sinai desert worst map of all time?

[alpine edge]

it just rewards bad aim

[teal fractal]

Prise de tahure, nivelle, argonne, achi baba

And rest is dogshit tier

[west mirage]

Or just play Recon with a Carbine or SLR like it's not that hard to understand

[urban lark]

Bad aim back or just spam them with a telescopic MG or medic rifle or something

I can’t think of solutions for everyone forever

[alpine edge]

BF1 is chock full of bad game design

[urban lark]

SLR? Maybe, I’m even in favor of another AR15 type option for recon so they don’t have to play just bolts or high recoil DMRs

[teal fractal]

You cant encourage aggressive play via sweetspots when you cant even tell where the sweetspot range starts and ends at

[urban lark]

Really just mostly any BF game

[west mirage]

Aggressive by giving them a 1 shot mechanic...

[urban lark]

Either that or die reloading to an MP18 or SMG 08 player

Or just any medic rifle

Anyways id be fine with semi auto rifles that aren’t full powered DMRs but can still fit the recon niche enough so they aren’t fully relegated to extreme range options

[alpine edge]

1 is the most egergious

[teal fractal]

Which isnt even an aggressive mechanic persay because they still need to be within very specific distance for sweetspot

It encourages camping more than it encourages aggressive play

[west mirage]

But BF1 is had alot of it

They even mess up the spread

[urban lark]

Bro you just repeat stuff that pickle says don’t ya

[teal fractal]

Bf1 has terrible mechanics on top of terrible map designs

[urban lark]

Wdym they messed up spread

[west mirage]

Play BF4 and BF3 then play BF1

[urban lark]

Subjective I guess

[teal fractal]

1s spread was ok

I prefer 4s gunplay still

[urban lark]

As far as I’m aware, BF1 has the same spread as those 2 titles. Could be wrong. Only thing BF1 does differently is reintroduces visual recoil to weapons

[teal fractal]

Not the same no but the same gunplay mechanic yes

[urban lark]

1 has the most egregious game design but is still the most commercially successful and renowned entry

Totally checks out

Maybe your standards are just too peculiar compared to the general fanbase

[west mirage]

Yeah cuz clearly I don't understand BF mechanics and how some of the gameplay design/mechanics are bad...

[teal fractal]

It doesnt mean that its good within design

[west mirage]

They made micro-bursting useless

[fast bridge]

I'd argue any decent player will adapt to each game over coming any such 'errors' and may not notice

[teal fractal]

Why did bf1 get hella sales? One of the best trailers ever made, one of the best looking games of its time, ww1 which never had been done before

[fast bridge]

playing a game like it's a previous entry means you're not learning

[urban lark]

Like not understanding why unlocked weapons are redundant and classes roles are additionally aided by weapon niches?

[teal fractal]

You can literally see how much bf community changed after bf1 came out

We have historians complaining about meaningless things now

[west mirage]

We could adapt but doesn't mean they don't mean we can critique it for being a bad mechanic

[fast bridge]

but is it truly bad if you can over come it?

[urban lark]

In regards to sweet spot it’s not a necessary mechanic to reintroduce, but it’s really overhated so people have something to talk down on BF1s gameplay about

[fast bridge]

shouldn't the only truly bad design be something that can't be dealt with?

[urban lark]

This is legit the only reason people care enough to waste energy talking about it instead of just sniping back

[teal fractal]

Any decent player is able to tell how bad a lot of bf1s design was, inesecapable grenade spam, gas grenade, sweetspot, suppression, flare, mortars, mortrar trucks, heavy bombers, bad map designs on 90% of the maps

Bad vehicle vs infantry balance

[solid hinge]

This is like speaking with a toddler

Don’t stoop to their level

[urban lark]

At this point I’m just chatting with mystery and juju cause I kinda don’t have anything else to do rn

[west mirage]

I understand all of pros of cons of each but the truth is that people will often use the guns that they wanted to use so it doesn't matter if ARs are locked or not cuz people will play as Medic with AR and get tons of kills and the same people who expect team play wouldn't get it cuz player getting alot of kills will just drop healing gadget by him/herself

[alpine edge]

didn't you say you wanted pickle run over

😭

[teal fractal]

He told me to die like 10 times

Because of a discord debate

[alpine edge]

this battlefield shit get serious

[fast bridge]

My best rounder ever was as a medic... I never even used the gun

[teal fractal]

💀

[fast bridge]

thank you Metro 😏

[west mirage]

Don't forget they nerfed the basic strafing because of players who suffers in skill issue keeps complaining that it's overpowered

[urban lark]

People don’t even know this shit, support and medic can easily top leaderboards just doing basic teamplay. But again, someone’s anecdotal experience negates this entire concept I guess

[teal fractal]

I think taking away strafing is even bigger than taking away the slide

[urban lark]

BF isn’t a movement shooter. Next question

[teal fractal]

Like what the fuck why can i not do the most basic fps mechanic

[west mirage]

What strafing isn't equivalent of movement shooter

It's literally the basic mechanics of most FPS games

[teal fractal]

I need to stand still for little timmy to give me 5 seconds of suppression on top because they cant aim?

Holy airball

[west mirage]

BF3 and BF4 had basic strafing and strafing speeds

[fast bridge]

I'd argue that as well

[urban lark]

Fine, let someone use medic purely for the guns. And when they inevitably drop heals or ammo for themselves I can just run up on them and get back to what I’m doing anyways. Better yet, let me take heals or ammo off of them.

All I’m asking for is basic friction and what I like to call “accidental teamplay”

[fast bridge]

it's the basis for any shooter period I'd say

[teal fractal]

Battlefield plays like dogshit without basic movement mechanics inplace

[fast bridge]

oh here's an idea to upset everyone

[west mirage]

Again BF6 already have the mechanics that allows you to grab Health and Ammo from a Support player

[fast bridge]

have the medic class auto deploy medic bags

[urban lark]

I mean I can make an exception to strafing and bunny hopping but I know mystery’s point is something about how necessary skill gap supposedly is in an arcade sandbox shooter

[fast bridge]

without player input

[alpine edge]

strafing isn't a movement shooter technique...

[teal fractal]

Also battlefield has always had extensive set of movement

[random blade]

honestly

not a bad idea

[urban lark]

Yeah I’m not a huge fan of this, but I guess it finally kills off the need for Medic as a dedicated class

Whether that’s good or bad we’ll see I guess

[random blade]

if they are the medic bag and you can pick stuff off them though it's not too great an issue

[west mirage]

Basic strafing helps you to avoid getting shot during a gunfight and players who had good tracking and aim will easily bypass it

[teal fractal]

Bf3, strafing, jump peeking, ads stabilistation jumping, chain jumping, vaulting with ads, jump peeking into a crouch

[alpine edge]

my most insane battlefield idea within reason is a proper mag system

[urban lark]

Honestly agree, I’m not against strafing on its own

[alpine edge]

maybe not like 4 hardcore that's dumb

[teal fractal]

Bf4, airstrafing, strafing, jump peeking, ads stabilisation jump, chain jumping

[urban lark]

I hate watching gameplay where someone reloads with 25 rounds still in the magazine so yeah, why not

I mean I do it too cause that shit is second nature but

[fast bridge]

well it almost makes sense in a 'taken to the limit' manner... the medic is providing cover to the wounded while they apply thier own tourniquet

[west mirage]

Don't get me started with jump peeking which is a really useful mechanic that helps deals with campers especially corner campers unless the camper has a good tracking and aiming skill

[teal fractal]

Bf5, 4 directional slide, strafing, jump peeking, jump shooting and mixing up those movements with manual leaning

Bf2042 bunnyhop, slide, jump shooting

Always had elementary movement mechanics

[urban lark]

The only thing that shows up when I google jump peeking is valorant so you’re already proving my point and crossing the line

[alpine edge]

what dat mean

[teal fractal]

The only battlefield game youve played is battlefield 1 and its so telling lol

[urban lark]

Maybe add a contextual or manual lean, I can work with that

[west mirage]

Fr but I could argue Mackeys and Sundance gadget ruined the gameplay since they get to different places which players can't expect if you understand what I mean

[teal fractal]

Which is cancer

Takes no skill

[alpine edge]

they should bring back manual lean

[urban lark]

Wanna guess what also ruined teamplay in 2042?

[teal fractal]

The entire map design of 2042 was in fault of this tbh

[random blade]

it's perfectly reasonable for someone to not want as much movement, regardless of what existed in previous games

[west mirage]

Sure if you're an Assault Class that is but if you're playing a different class then I wouldn't sacrifice my Smokes

[urban lark]

Mentioning mouzou is simply not allowed

Like that’s just low hanging fruit

[west mirage]

That was a glitch movement...

[urban lark]

Yeah

[teal fractal]

A basic slide mechanic, strafing and jump peeking is insanely basic

[urban lark]

Airstrafe? Maybe. Bunnyhopping, strafing? I can work with it. Slide/slide cancel, mouzou, or any other black magic? Gtfoh

[teal fractal]

I didnt even talk about glitches lol, theres vouzou mouzou rouzou and slithering

[west mirage]

Literally like we're not asking for slide cancelling or omni-movement

[teal fractal]

Airstrafe is a mechanic that lets you strafe mid air with aswd keys

Bunnyhopping isnt a thing in bf4 its chainjumping

[urban lark]

More so talking in general

[teal fractal]

Slide is black magic to you?😭

Whats the issue with slide

Its the most predictable movement mechanic

[silent beacon]

Was there an official date posted for the open beta?

[urban lark]

I don’t even hate all of omnimovement actually. Diving backwards or sideways kinda makes sense, but it is mostly a gimmick

[brave glacier]

Not yet

[west mirage]

Apparently 4th of August

[random blade]

the game hasn't even been revealed yet

[west mirage]

We got a open beta announcement before the reveal

[teal fractal]

I mean its not really a thing, when people talk about movement no ones talking about dolphin diving

Or wall running

[silent beacon]

[urban lark]

Why not, let the camper stare at nothing all day. Bonus points if you combine them with thermals

[teal fractal]

Or jetpackinh

I remember when someone said that bf5 slide is too fast😭😭

[urban lark]

These are basic solutions to campers or niche problems without resorting to apex legends, CoD or valorant movement as the solution

[teal fractal]

Yeah such as jump peeking or sliding

[urban lark]

My other message got deleted though cause I’m pretty sure one of the words I used looked too close to a slur which I mean fair, even if unintended

[teal fractal]

If you add bf1 style of clearing blind angles or corners you just get gadget spamming

Takes away skill, takes away fun

[alpine edge]

manual lean + peekers advantage

[west mirage]

Smokes are important than a Frag

[urban lark]

don’t word it that way

[teal fractal]

I wouldnt want a very heavy peekers advantage game tbh

[alpine edge]

its just the nature of online gaming

[teal fractal]

Imo the advantage should lean more onto the player holding it but its a must to have something to fight against those people

[west mirage]

*Cough CS:GO cough* which is why I play FaceIt

[urban lark]

Yep

[teal fractal]

cs2 kinda sucks with how heavy peeker advantegous it is imho

It makes sense but also not

[west mirage]

Oh definitely but FaceIt somewhat makes it tolerable

[brave glacier]

R6

[west mirage]

True before they change the bullet holes

I remember abusing that

[brave glacier]

Fell off so bad

[alpine edge]

ah if only siege had good gunplay....

[brave glacier]

Loved R6

[teal fractal]

R6 isnt super peeker advantegous

[west mirage]

Wdym? has good gunplay unless you mean the current one then yes

[teal fractal]

Dude i played r6 it felt like the most skillless activity lol

The guns literally dont even have mechanics

[random blade]

Siege is pretty fun in my eyes

But I’ll never forgive them for abandoning the features that 1, 2 and 3 had, for no game to use them since

[teal fractal]

Its a cool game yes

[west mirage]

I quitted Siege cuz Ubisoft sucks at balancing to the point of making ADS awful

They even removed the attachment that helps with the ADS speed

[teal fractal]

Oh yeah the ads speed oh my god

You literally have to move around with ads up the entire time

[west mirage]

As if the game wasn't defender heavy

[brave glacier]

Ash year 1-2–3

[west mirage]

Peak Ash definitely

[random blade]

Yeah, that’s the vision they are going for

Check everything, play pre emptively rather than reactively

Makes sense to me

[west mirage]

I remember Nokk has a Silent Step ability which is really helpful in ranked

[teal fractal]

Yes but its cancer

Because even with that you still need to be able to react

[random blade]

It’s normal for a tac shooter

It’s just to hinder people who choose to sprint at inopportune times

[teal fractal]

Even milsims dont have ads speeds that slow

[alpine edge]

they tried to slow down gameplay in the laziest way possible

should've just added more realistic movement and gunplay

but ubi are too lazy

[west mirage]

Fr like Squad and Arma have decent ADS speed

[teal fractal]

Ngl the easiest way to make r6 play hyperslow would legit add far more rooms into the maps

More clearing takes more time

[west mirage]

Oh fr I'm all in for it but they mess that up too especially the gunplay

[alpine edge]

always found it messed up the ACOG was the best sight

[solid hinge]

#battlefield-legacy-titles circlejerk

[west mirage]

Don't get me started how Ubisoft balances the game with the 1.5 scope...

[alpine edge]

💀

might as well add an LVPO at that point

[random blade]

Cause those games tend to have other factors that create the same effect of delaying that time to fire

Ambient weapon sway, sight decoupling etc. With the accuracy and consistency of Siege’s sights and weapons it makes sense to me that they add a delay through ads speeds

[west mirage]

They change META too often and over nerfs alot of stuff without solid buffs which make awful to play

[teal fractal]

Yeah but the ads slow is insanely slow

Ngl it would actually make far more sense for siege to be fast paced

[west mirage]

It took them how many months to nerf Jaeger's gadget

[random blade]

in the end it never really bothered me cause I clear with ads up anyway

[teal fractal]

When i was taught cqc clearance in military you actually move insanely fast through the building

[solid hinge]

Don’t let them learn that if weapons were class locked you’d have to rely less on making op gadget to make classes unique

[west mirage]

Which literally is the main problem and not the weapon

[teal fractal]

So even from a tactical aspect you dont actually want to move slow in a building

[random blade]

and siege's movement speed is anything but slow already

it's honestly got some pretty nice feeling strafes for a tac shooter

in terms of inertia that is

[teal fractal]

I mean yeah the game doesnt play bad its a decently fun shooter

Interms of the idea

But the ads speed is just

What the fuck

[random blade]

it was one of those games I watched so much when it came out cause I couldn't play it :(

[teal fractal]

I had so many games i used to watch as a kid because i had a ps2 for the longest time

Until like midway to ps3 life cycle

[limber bough]

Gotta pre ads everything

[random blade]

yup

been playing R6 2 recently and it's such a blast too

ubisoft really did know what they were doing

then just kind of dropped everything

[alpine edge]

the first person ghost recon sounds interesting

[random blade]

can maybe become a more pragmatic game, actually being a tactical shooter rather than a cinematic stealth game