battlefield-legacy-titles

[alpine edge]

fortnite is actually for all ages!

[tidal shuttle]

Hell ya

[alpine edge]

um okay

and.

[tidal shuttle]

Again this ain’t about age haha yall are getting it twisted . I’m talking about the entitled mfs

read man

[summer forge]

I think he’s an alpha. They rant about age lol

[tidal shuttle]

who reports after smth so little.. oh I kno the salty type that lose or get killed and have to “get back”

[summer forge]

Or young Z

Current day players couldn’t handle the harassment back in 2009 lol

[tidal shuttle]

like why didn’t they put a score board in 2042… ohh idk guys to protect the … you guess it sawfties

[summer forge]

Yea they had to “add a legacy feature”

[tidal shuttle]

Participation trophy 🏆 here you go

[summer forge]

Called a flipping scoreboard 😂

[tidal shuttle]

💀💀💀💀

[tidal shuttle]

Smh

[alpine edge]

not true, people are still toxic

[summer forge]

No no, it’s “you seriously s#ck, but here’s your trophy”

[summer forge]

Calls it toxic lol

“Toxic” was just an average day on the lobbies 😂😂

[tidal shuttle]

Yes!! That’s my point . People will still be “toxic” even if they don’t verbally take action lol

so why punish the rest of the player base

[summer forge]

Because they must make it a safer environment

[alpine edge]

never said it wasn;t

[tidal shuttle]

Hense

No on wants that

[summer forge]

“It’s just a game”
“Cry about it”
“Just trying to have fun”
“Sorry you can’t just have fun”

[tidal shuttle]

In reality like really tho even if they have a prox chat function

People will still be in a discord anyways

Unless they make it like search in mw2 where it forced you to be in game chat

lol

[summer forge]

I just see a lot of censorship being implemented in the next BF

[urban lark]

Not a probably, it’s a guaranteed. I never disagreed with you about 4s launch being bad but the reason why people mention it is totally irrelevant when it comes to 42

Let’s not downplay the issue of 2042s launch and existence because of “well what about bf4” when that game at least had its core foundation correct, that’s how we get to this point

[tidal shuttle]

Bf4 was still at least toleratable and bit close to bf3

42 tho…. 🤢

It was also a launch title for the ps4 xbone lol wasn’t a to of options out there

[urban lark]

I’ll reiterate my point again for clarity’s sake: people act like bf4 and 2042 were in the exact same boat therefore they’d end up having the exact same endgame reception. Not even remotely. That’s what I meant about people exaggerating BF4s case

Like the original convo was something about expecting bugs but what’s more important is the core foundation

[tidal shuttle]

Bf3 had bugs too

[urban lark]

Bugs gon be bugs

[subtle bronze]

Bugs everywhere

What u gonna do when bugs come for you

[urban lark]

[subtle bronze]

lol

Read my mind buddy

[tidal shuttle]

[summer forge]

Cleanse the world of them for democracy

[subtle bronze]

Democracy is an illusion

This world is is run by the Illuminati and fallen angels

[summer forge]

Bro missed the reference

[subtle bronze]

Oh it was a reference lol

Bad company 2 reference?

[summer forge]

Not even close 😂

[subtle bronze]

Hmm

[summer forge]

Helldivers 2

[subtle bronze]

Oooh

Ya I had that thought cross my mind

But I didn’t type it

[summer forge]

Trust me bro

[subtle bronze]

Ya I trust u

|| not ||

I feel like I missed another reference

[summer forge]

Trust me as far as you can throw me and you’ll be fine

[subtle bronze]

lol

[summer forge]

Kinda did but it’s cool lol

[subtle bronze]

[summer forge]

[subtle bronze]

Everyone shhh

Blackbeard is typing

[dusty kiln]

I hath spokeneth.

[subtle bronze]

MY MAN

[subtle bronze]

THIS IS DOPE

read every single sentence

Well done

Itching to play bf 6

I like the extensive customization

Crazy

I won’t mind having my own unique nameless soldiers

Ok that’s cool

Will body armor make a return?

Or heavy armor

Not aesthetic wise, but actual plates that can protect u from damages

Like in 2042

[dusty kiln]

Ahh I see. I'm not sure about that, actually but I'm gonna assume so since plates are becoming quite prevalent in modern FPS games

[subtle bronze]

Ok that’s cool

Let’s hope ur right

Do you know anything about gun customization

Like when ur actually in the field

[dusty kiln]

You can't plate a face though, so shots to the dome are still lethal

[subtle bronze]

I see I see

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, it will essentially be a deeper load out customisation as compared to BF2042 - something similar to COD, minus wacky skins. Although they could still be an option down the line. Hoping not personally, but yeah. Slightly deeper customisation.

[subtle bronze]

That’s even better

Ty Blackbeard

[dusty kiln]

Not sure if they're keeping the radial, quick swap menu for weapon attachments though.

[subtle bronze]

Never thought idnthank a pirate

[subtle bronze]

I heard they removed that

But im not sure

Atleast I haven’t seen any in leaked videos

[dusty kiln]

I actually wouldn't be mad if they did. I found it to be a distraction lol. I'd rather just have a gun set up and roll with it, not mess around with attachments on the go. I realise that's nitpicky though, and others might enjoy that level of accessibility

There's a reason dual optics exist.

[subtle bronze]

It’s just I lost count of how many times I switched from my thermal scope with a 2.5 magnification to A red dot sight for close quarters

Using a dmr btw lol

[subtle bronze]

Yes

Good point

[subtle bronze]

This isn’t bad either tbh

[dusty kiln]

Exactly. Having that accessibility is handy, but it also becomes a bit of a liability and another thing you have to micro manage during a game. For me personally, I'd rather just get stuck in and not change optics every two seconds depending on the context.

[subtle bronze]

Yeah

Do you know anything about resupplynstations ?

If it’s even included

I heard bf 5 had it

[dusty kiln]

I'm not sure yet, but I do believe the resupply points for vehicles feature BFV had could be making a return. Not confirmed though.

Is that what you're referring to then?

[subtle bronze]

Ok dope

Yes

Man

I hope they release bf6 this year

[dusty kiln]

That was a nice feature, I agree with you. Vehicles should have to resupply, especially helos and jets.

[subtle bronze]

YES

hate that infinite ammo crap

[dusty kiln]

You might be looking at late this year. If we're lucky. It's already in the testing stage now, so that's a good sign.

[subtle bronze]

We can all hope

[dusty kiln]

Might get it before GTA6, like everything else 😂

[subtle bronze]

Lmao

Ya

I might preorder too

Which I haven’t done for since bf3

🖤

I like that zampella dude. Isn’t he the one in charge of bf 6? I feel like we can trust him lol

[dusty kiln]

Wait for more info first, but yeah. They're definitely trying to make up for BF2042 this time 😅 It seems they've looked at the feedback from that game, but also seen what appeals across modern FPS games, while also going back to their roots. The customisation option is a good one because it's something that keeps players coming back; being able to have your own character, personalise them and bring your own feel to the battlefield (within realistic boundaries) is very appealing. They've looked at games like Ghost Recon Wildlands and Breakpoint, Sandstorm Insurgency, Arma and many other modern shooters in the extraction style market and seen that people love customisation.

[dusty kiln]

Zampella got your back, bro.

[subtle bronze]

YEA

TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTBOF MY MOUTH

that’s what I want

lol

[subtle bronze]

lol

I haven’t played breakpoint but I’ve seen the videos

Customization looks sooo cool

You can look unique while still looking like a badass modern day soldier

[dusty kiln]

Brother, that's what we all want lol. Took them long enough. They did good with BFV, but discontinued it for COD style operator/heroes so they could sell skins. Though this marketing strategy does work on some people, it's not a good long term strategy for credibility and replayability regardless of whether the options were aesthetic or not. Having your own character, and having it feel personalised is much more appealing.

And for those who want to simply play as a no name grunt again, well you can do that too. Or you can choose to make your character more of an operator style, rather than a boots-on-the-ground private. The choice is yours.

[dusty kiln]

100%. I played Breakpoint and Wildlands to death. Amazing customisation.

[subtle bronze]

True. Bf 2042 is kinda dead right now.

Actually im gonna have to disagree with the replay ability part

Each operators require a slightly different play style, so if u get bored u can just switch operators and try something different

I’m like 300 hours in and I switched from Crawford, Zain to rao

My next one is probably Sundance

I’ve seen some crazy stunts ppl do with Sundance lol

[dusty kiln]

Okay, I agree with that. I meant that being able to customise your own solider is infinitely more replayable though because you can create a limitless end of playstyles and aesthetics to fit your own vision

[subtle bronze]

Yes

[dusty kiln]

But this is what I was referring to. With Sundance, you're stuck to a certain aesthetic

[subtle bronze]

I see I see

One thing I don’t like about bf 2042 are the limited skins available that are for free

Like raos headgear for example

I see like 5 or 6 “different“ headgears that look exactly the same

Do u still play bf 2042 Blackbeard?

[urban lark]

I think skins should just be sold as whole sets. Like BF1 but with actual variety

Being able to customize every little bit of gear just leads to people looking weird to spite other people

Basically makes no difference from just giving people CoD esque skins

[subtle bronze]

No way Jose

I prefer the much deeper customization

[urban lark]

I honestly don’t think gun balancing should revolve around a system where your effective range can be adapted perfectly on the fly. People should consider their loadout before spawning in and play around it or switch classes. A good middle ground option would be keeping a plus menu-esque system but only allow players to change attachments on objectives the team owns

[urban lark]

I mean I do support gunsmith in battlefield so….. fine

Give me good character customization too

[subtle bronze]

Are u excited for update 8.9

Mass effect skins

[urban lark]

That’s for 2042 right? Naw I’m not

[subtle bronze]

lol

[urban lark]

I haven’t played 2042 since like

When did season 4 end

Q1 2023?

[subtle bronze]

I see I see

U should go back

[alpine edge]

no

[dusty kiln]

Not lately I don't. I play a lot of Arma Reforger atm.

[subtle bronze]

Oh I see

🤣 https://youtube.com/shorts/CBg3bIvZX-4?si=YOQE0B4VF2xa9ZL8

[subtle bronze]

Is it just me or are all pro bf players using throwing knives

[white yacht]

Alguien pa Jugar BF1 con mic?

[open saffron]

You know. I like to look at old trailers of games. I recently saw the BFV trailer that had Beat The Devil's Tattoo in it. And that one ship blowing up in the distance reminds me a lot of the destroyers blowing up in BF1 lmao

[slim star]

They should work on bf5 again smh.

[red rose]

They should do it like Gameloft

They still maintaining both asphalt 8 and 9

BF V for old world war era and BF VI for modern/future era

[slim star]

They should bring bundles back in bf5

[red rose]

What bundles

[mild island]

i wanna do the eidolon assignment with someone so bad if ur up hmu on ps my PSN name is MrDopeMedic

[dusty kiln]

BF6 better be good if they want to increase recruiting numbers for WW3

[minor leaf]

lol

[worn gust]

if SBMM is confirmed BF6 is dead on arrival

besides the labs test felt very cod

[urban lark]

Wdym very cod

[worn gust]

laser guns with no recoil

hit reg broken

netcode issues

[urban lark]

…

[worn gust]

iam not sold or hyped yet

but

[bronze portal]

LMAO NETCODE ISSUES FEELS COD?

[worn gust]

you always can go back to BF4

[bronze portal]

bro has not played bf4 release

[urban lark]

If the guns are laser beams im going to be so disappointed. I don’t want a gunplay experience yet again where I’m shot across the map and where guns have no depth

[worn gust]

Fivemen its one of those ppl who just want to bash ppl with no proof

[bronze portal]

? bf4 release had horrible netcode bro

[worn gust]

so?

[urban lark]

CoD netcode has definitely been garbage these last few years. But in CoDs case it’s probably a mix of SBMM and servers being garbage

[worn gust]

your point is?

i see no poitn

point

lol

research?

dummy

i played the labs test

stfu kid

hahaha

[bronze portal]

if you're gonna state things like its facts. then back it up

[worn gust]

what a tool

[bronze portal]

and i haven't?? lmao

[worn gust]

state things?

listen BRO i played the labs test

so

your just one of those ppl who like to start chat fights and bla bla bla

boring like the masses of human

[bronze portal]

EU statement at its finest

[worn gust]

its not like your the only one acting like this Fiveguy

EU or US statement doesnt matter

[urban lark]

Chill before they come at us about big box stores or parking lots again

[bronze portal]

lmaoo

[worn gust]

no idea what you guys are on about but

going outside and touching grass might help?

maybe go outside in your wonderful USA country in LA i heard its pretty nice there right now

nice protest going on

[urban lark]

Well LA is one city in a country of 350 million people with diverse cultures and dynamics

[bronze portal]

lol he is pressed lmao

[urban lark]

But

[worn gust]

seems like EU is the better deal

[urban lark]

naw

[worn gust]

than USA but keep staying delusional

[bronze portal]

im glad that one statement about EU was enough to throw you over the edge

[worn gust]

bro USA is worse than EU period

hahaha

[bronze portal]

really goes to show a lot

lmao bold to assume i live in the states still

[urban lark]

The LA riots aren’t necessarily new btw that happens like every 30 years for some reason

Kinda where the roof Koreans thing comes from

[worn gust]

USA is nothing else than SHIELD for ISRAEL if you dont understand that your just not on my level

[urban lark]

[bronze portal]

LMFAO ok this has to be ragebait

[worn gust]

has to be truthbait

btw

iam not preordering BF6 like i said

no recoil

net code issues

maps were very cod close quarters

vehicles needs improvement

alot of stuff to work on

before you talk about release

[bronze portal]

lol recoil has been near non-existent for a while in bf4 games

its mostly just spread values

and terrible mechanics like spread to recoil conversion like in bfv

[worn gust]

bf4 actually has recoil maybe not as strong as BF3 but its still there

[bronze portal]

biggest issue i felt was the fact that aim point is tied to the reticle...AGAIN

[worn gust]

i guess you never played BF4 before

[bronze portal]

a mistake they made in bfv

[worn gust]

just get the game shoot at the wall and tell me about recoil and spread

[urban lark]

Aim being at the barrel helps mitigate headglitching right

[worn gust]

besides barrel and grips

[bronze portal]

lmao i used to play bf4 on console in the states while studying there, only got the pc version after the service ended

[worn gust]

iam one of the best in BF4 and Battlefield in General on Console

[bronze portal]

is this meyeq?

[worn gust]

no wonder

iam a Battlefield Veteran so

another weird smiley

my poor eyes getting cringed on with a teary smiley

meyeq? is that one of those saudi bf players?

[urban lark]

New to the server but not discord so I’m confused about this person

[drowsy copper]

They are full of it.

[worn gust]

full or empty facts are facts

[bronze portal]

idk it's either a good ragebaiter or some average EU gamer

[worn gust]

my tons of scoreboard pics and videos shows me the proof that iam still pretty good at battlefield most of the time

[bronze portal]

mmm

[worn gust]

you wish Fiveguys

you wish

btw iam not talking about being good sitting in a chopper 24/7 no no

iam talking about actually skill on land like a Man not that vehicle camp playstyle

[bronze portal]

wonderful for you i guess

what's your IGN?

[worn gust]

everybody can camp on a helicopter or Tank

not really that hard

IGN ? i mean what scored did IGN gave BF4?

score*

[bronze portal]

in game name

[worn gust]

idk if i should give it out you seem weird

i dont wanna get spammed on or anything

[drowsy copper]

Won’t share stats

[worn gust]

its not the stats

[bronze portal]

? you are the one bragging about your skill. let's see the logistics then

[drowsy copper]

lol ok

[worn gust]

its the Account iam worried

sure i would if the Account will be save afterwards

which iam not sure nowadays about

[drowsy copper]

Nice excuse

[bronze portal]

if you make ultimatum statements and don't back it up with proof, you just look like a tool

[worn gust]

Yoda says: i risk better not Account this

[drowsy copper]

Won’t share stats as bad.

[worn gust]

its not like i wont show its like i said the Account name i want to save from ppl like you that maybe hack my Account or stuff like that?

[bronze portal]

?????????????

[worn gust]

bro

lol

[bronze portal]

what the fuck is this excuse lmao

[drowsy copper]

No one hacking your account 🤣

[worn gust]

with hacking i mean

[urban lark]

Not with just your username anyway

[worn gust]

getting the password

[drowsy copper]

Yeah dark side stats are terrible

[worn gust]

for example

lol

Darkside is not the name i play on console

it used to be back in the PS3 era

[bronze portal]

okay that's all fine and dandy, so can you share your username? your username is not enough to hack, nor would i ever feel the need to do so when i have my own acc

[drowsy copper]

Doesn’t matter what your name is. No reason not to put them. Only reason is you are lying about being good to a bunch of strangers on discord.

[worn gust]

i dont need to lie about my experiences

[bronze portal]

attempting to seek validation from strangers who didn't ask about your stats. people confront you and ask for proof, but now you're too afraid your username reveal would cause someone to hack it?

[worn gust]

since you guys act like ppl with a feministic touch

well iam not sure if you guys would share my username

which i dont really want

you never know with human beings

always stress always a fight

never ending fight

Battlefield PTSD

[bronze portal]

the main point of playing games is to have fun, idrc about your stats

[drowsy copper]

Shared my stats multiple times. Nice try

[worn gust]

shared on PC version?

[drowsy copper]

Yes

[bronze portal]

the only reason why this whole thing popped up is you make cringe ultimatum statements like "im the best player", and claim to have tons of proof for such, but you refuse to share it

[worn gust]

well i said i play on Console

so

btw iam also not playing a Battlefield game to have a nice K/D ppl like Enders think K/D is important in a Battlefield game

[drowsy copper]

Doesn’t matter. You showed off as best console player now hiding stats. We know why. Conversation is done.

[worn gust]

but not for the Old man like me

[bronze portal]

yeah no i can see you're a lying egotistical consoloid, just share stats

[dusty kiln]

I'm assuming they're open to feedback from the testers? Otherwise what's the point. Hopefully if they get your feedback, it should help get us some recoil.

[worn gust]

even Delta force had more Recoil on guns lol

PSN:Agent_JackBauer9

there it is

lets hope i dont regret it lol

but you never know

[bronze portal]

hidden stats on bf2042, bfv kd 1.4 kpm 1.03

[worn gust]

LOL

i dont play bf2042

i said

i play BF4

BF2042 i played the least

obviously because BF4 is better

and BFV is also kinda whack

[bronze portal]

mmm, so all of a sudden your godly skills on bf4 become a 1kd 1kpm player in bf1,v,and probably 2042 that you conveniently hid

[worn gust]

?

i never talked about bf2042

nor i did about BFV

i talk about BF4 skills

why bf1?

bro

cant you read?

i play most of my time on BF4

[bronze portal]

indeed. but you gave us your ID. so i used it as a metric to see what you've played, if you're a "battlefield veteran"

so i checked your other BF games

[random blade]

what game's recoil would you want it to feel more like?

[worn gust]

well why you not bringin BF4 up?

lol

who cares about bf2042?

[bronze portal]

cuz i gotta use something aside from bftracker to find it

[worn gust]

i see

to lazy i see

i mean BF1 is ok but BF4 is way better in my book

BF4 for me is the last good Battlefield

everything after BF4 was kinda trash

[dusty kiln]

Well, the thing is that I'm not entirely sure yet since I haven't tested BF6. For all I know, it could be good. I only have this man's word to go on, but that said - MW2019 had pretty good recoil.

[worn gust]

you know guys about

the BF labs test

what also was a bigger problem

[urban lark]

CoD simply has better gunplay mechanics tbh they just need to take a page out of their book

[worn gust]

was

you shoot somebody in the chest

and the hit reg wouldnt

reg all body shots

[bronze portal]

so like i thought? https://gametools.network/stats/ps4/name/Agent_JackBauer9?game=bf1

[worn gust]

and then somehow somebody survives with 66hp

but that seems to be

[bronze portal]

wait why does it go to bf1

[worn gust]

the FROSTBITE engine issues

[bronze portal]

one sec

[worn gust]

with all the betas and alphas

[bronze portal]

oh not that different

https://gametools.network/stats/ps4/name/Agent_JackBauer9?game=bf4

[urban lark]

MW19 had some laser beams cheese itself though so I’d say somewhere between MW22/23

[dusty kiln]

Actually, yeah I agree. MW2 had great recoil. The gun play on that was probably the most fun I've had in an FPS.

[urban lark]

Bro, facts

[bronze portal]

only issue with mw2 was the fact that the ttk was blisteringly fast and so camping-encouraged

[worn gust]

dont forget Fiveguy

[bronze portal]

with all the terrible handling

[worn gust]

this are my console stats

so PC stats are mostly better due to mouse gameplay

[bronze portal]

?

[dusty kiln]

Well yeah, ignoring the ludicrous COD TTK the gunplay is actually smooth.

[random blade]

wasn't particularly hard to control

[worn gust]

yup

[bronze portal]

best battlefield console player with 1kd 1kpm

[worn gust]

Fivemenk if you would play vs me i would beat iam sure about it

[urban lark]

MW2s camping problem is a bit cumulative. I blame the footsteps being ridiculously loud as well as the maps being unnecessarily complicated

[worn gust]

who said Battlefield is all about kd?

you dont understand the concept of what a battlefield is

[bronze portal]

yeah if i was using a controller, i probably might lose a few lives to you at first

[worn gust]

game

[dusty kiln]

Well, that depends on the weapon. M4 platforms in real life aren't hard to control if you're proficient, but they still give a good kick.

[bronze portal]

oh boy not this whole kd/kpm is not ptfo bs again

[worn gust]

you do recognize that to be the top of the scoreboard most of the time you dont need the most kills?

[pearl badge]

What do ya'll think is the In-lore explanation for the escalation and peacemaker easter eggs in BF1?

[worn gust]

well ptfo is battlefield so?

hahaha

battlefield is not COD TDM

[pearl badge]

I actually got to be top of the scoreboard for doing objectives and resupplies

[random blade]

so is it moreso the visual effects of recoil you want over anything actually challenging?

[bronze portal]

killing enemies to stop their approach to the objectives/ cutting flanks is crucial for winning

[worn gust]

you see

nockson understand it

[bronze portal]

but keep coping and crying that your resupplies and heals are what wins the game

[worn gust]

just look at nocksons reply five

he understands it but you dont sadly

[bronze portal]

he doesn't say cringe ultimatum statements like "i am the best"

[worn gust]

best at capping objectives which is battlefield all about?

hmm yes iam

[pearl badge]

I am the best🤓

[worn gust]

and

like i said

i have alot of pics

so

[urban lark]

MW2 guns were pretty difficult to control unless you went all in on recoil control attachments. Most of the time bursting or tapping was encouraged. Visual recoil just adds that extra layer of immersion that sells the experience

[bronze portal]

if you have to screenshot your leaderboard scores then yeah... that tells me everything

[worn gust]

but i guess from console to discord or PC its hard to share

[random blade]

I don't personally see how visual recoil adds to immersion but my only playtime with mw2 was with the busted semi autos :/

[urban lark]

People are too critical on visual recoil, at the end of the day a video game can only simulate recoil so many ways

[worn gust]

you know Fivemenk i play Battlefield since Battlefield 2 on PC son

[dusty kiln]

As I said, I'd have to test Battlefield 6 myself, but personally I think recoil should be grounded in realism. It's nice to have a laser beam, but that would feel too easy and I think learning to manage recoil brings more reward. So long as the recoil isn't absurd. Different attachments of course can mitigate recoil. It's difficult to say though. I would just say try to make it as realistic as possible, visually and mechanically.

[bronze portal]

oh boy here we go

[worn gust]

iam not some 21 year old youngling starting at BFV

[bronze portal]

another BF2 vet

[worn gust]

iam old son

[bronze portal]

i'm not exactly young but not old

i played since bad company 2

[worn gust]

but not as old as the Sniper grandpa on Youtube he is amazinh

[bronze portal]

never make cringe statements about being the best or nothing

[worn gust]

bad company 2 sadly they closed the server

why is it cringe?

i could play bf4 right now on console

and kicking ppls ass

[urban lark]

It just makes it “feel” like there’s more recoil. The best option is somewhere in the middle, raise recoil values but add some visual recoil

[worn gust]

its a normal routine for me lol

[bronze portal]

it's an ultimatum statement that lacks any substance and evidence

[worn gust]

you asked for my username

i gave it out on public

[urban lark]

Visual recoil or actual recoil don’t necessarily have to be mutually exclusive in my opinion

[bronze portal]

and i find it hard to believe you're hardly the best with a 1kd and 1kpm

[worn gust]

what more proof do you need bro?

HAHAHAH

you see

conquest is not about KD

get it?

i guess you dont get it

[bronze portal]

because i know players that know how to play the game with good kd, and being good at objective play

[worn gust]

since you played to much COD

[urban lark]

I don’t want recoil so bad I shoot 5 bullets and I’m already staring at the sky but yknow

[bronze portal]

holding angles, locking down flanks

[worn gust]

sure sure probably ENDERS or Jackfrags sure

on PC

but like i said

i play on console

[bronze portal]

jackfrags is an average player

[worn gust]

average? LOL

yeah u sure better than him

[dusty kiln]

No, but you want the gun to feel like a beast that can be tamed with good control and handling.

[worn gust]

Fivemenk let us see your console statx

stats

but you will never show them

since iam a Man and your the girl here

iam pretty sure Five you will not show ur stats on here

[random blade]

that's what it sounds like some people want which I find crazy

[worn gust]

a weapon that has no recoil its not fun since there is no skill ceiling and no learning curve so whats the point ?

if you shoot a AK47 in a game and it has no 0 recoil like why?

[dusty kiln]

Has to be a middle ground. Not laser beams, but not allahu ackbaring into the abyss either. It's actually complicated because of the different weapon types, calibers and attachments etc. Weapons and gunplay need a lot of care to get right.

[urban lark]

Nah even I would quit playing if it was that bad, at the end of the day it’s still an arcade game

[worn gust]

i mean just take bad company 2s recoild or bf3 recoil and put it in BF6 copy ans paste

but i can tell you guys 1 thing

for some reason

the Labs test was pretty fun to play

even with the issues

and i dont even know why

i guess it was the sound and atmosphere which was good

i can assure you guys

the labs weapon sound was top notch

pretty good

[dusty kiln]

That's good then, that means they have nailed a good gameplay formula. Just needs some refinements here and there

[urban lark]

I’m ngl guns need to be bass heavy this time around

[worn gust]

no complain about weapon sound at all

oh yeah but what was weird is

that all classes had all weapons lol

[dusty kiln]

That needs to change

[worn gust]

and support had a medic pack or supply crate

[bronze portal]

fix the aiming point of reference tied to the reticle first, if anything

terrible dogshit decision to repeat the mistakes of bfv

[worn gust]

i dont like the idea that the Assaul class is not a medic anymore but i guess

[bronze portal]

aim with the screen center like every fps

[worn gust]

they want to reinvent the wheel

so basically the Support class support you with ammonution or Medic pack but you cant equip both at the same time from what i remember

[dusty kiln]

I just hope they don't go the Black Ops 6 route

[worn gust]

and another critic but it could vare is

vary

[dusty kiln]

Tame it back down to a MW2 feel

[worn gust]

the map was kinda

alot of alley ways

[bronze portal]

BO6? there's so many things that went wrong that i can't specify your issue

[random blade]

tbh I'd much rather have spread than much recoil. It's annoying with a random recoil system that can just choose to mess you up as it pleases at any point in the spray, when spread is at least a consistent gain in inaccuracy

[worn gust]

and kinda small

[urban lark]

So far it doesn’t sound like there’s anything that is so baked into the games code that it can’t be reverted, so I guess all we can do is stay vocal about these things and see what happens

[worn gust]

when i played the labs test there was no big open field

it was like one of this BFV maps

[dusty kiln]

The weapons should all have a unique recoil and spread

[worn gust]

with alot of buildings

[bronze portal]

there needs to be spread implemented

lots of options for cover even after destruction occurs which is good

[worn gust]

basically that combat only in a building enviroment

i forget the term

[bronze portal]

i don't need dogshit maps that's just literally open for the sake of laziness

[worn gust]

it was very shiet on that map to drive a LAV

around

since it was more infantry focused

[dusty kiln]

Did you play the Abassid map? What was it like?

[urban lark]

I mean I guess bf6 can just carbon copy bf4 at the very least. Cumulative spread that encourages tap firing at greater distances

[random blade]

basically all you need

[worn gust]

i think i played 2 maps one of them was Abassid but like i said

[random blade]

recoil doesn't need to be heavy

[worn gust]

vehicles were not key on that map

basically an Infantry map

alot of alley ways

[random blade]

otherwise controller users will complain as they just wouldn't be able to tackle it

[worn gust]

and stairas

stairs

[bronze portal]

bf4 gunplay,vehicle design and mechanics,movement/good infantry map design of bf1 is all they really need to fucking do

[worn gust]

what i dont liked about it you could close double doors like in cod

[mild island]

i wanna do the eidolon assignment with someone so bad if ur up hmu on ps my PSN name is MrDopeMedic

[worn gust]

alot of windows you can camp from

[dusty kiln]

That's not a bad thing. To me it looks great for CQB, but I don't have the full scope of the map size. Just looked very city oriented

[worn gust]

basically the map was more like a BFV design

[urban lark]

Yeah they should keep it simple

[worn gust]

i think BFVish i would call the design behing it

[dusty kiln]

How does the game look graphically?

[bronze portal]

imagine like a combination of devastation and amiens

[worn gust]

grahpically its pretty good for an Alpha

[bronze portal]

that's the gameplay flow

[worn gust]

i have to give them that props

btw i played the PS5 labs test version no idea about pc graphics

[bronze portal]

visuals, people have split opinions

[worn gust]

but for the ps5 pro i have it looked stunning to me

[bronze portal]

personally, i couldn't shake off the fact it reminded me a bit too much of cod mw2019

[dusty kiln]

From what I've seen, the lighting is pretty amazing

[worn gust]

sound and graphics pretty good

yeah i was not complaining about graphic or sound once

[bronze portal]

still ways to go. good place to start but it's rough

[worn gust]

i think maybe there was like a sound bug or gltich but thats normal i guess for an alpha labs test

[steep elk]

MW19 was the latest generation-defining COD, so...

[urban lark]

Was about to say that too

[worn gust]

idk that one bfv map

[bronze portal]

that is true, but i did play a lot of 2019 so

[urban lark]

BF needs its own version of MW19, and MW19 didn’t just raise the standards for CoD, it’s forcing battlefield into a whole reset as well

[worn gust]

one side has builldings and the other side has like a big open field

and a church

[dusty kiln]

I'm guessing character customisation is limited for the tests?

[bronze portal]

i have no issues with the visuals

its not some 2042 garbage so

[worn gust]

and basically that Abassid map had the church side

[worn gust]

i didnt saw any character custom but alot of weapon custom

[bronze portal]

won't be long till you see recons in skin suits

[dusty kiln]

Apparently they're going to be implementing character customisation much like BFV had. So I'm guessing that's been left out for now

[worn gust]

but for some reason the weapon custom didnt really changed the weapon behaviour the way i would like to see

[open saffron]

Imma call you the ass blaster

For blasting asses

[dusty kiln]

Well that's another concern. It should

[worn gust]

i know i will get in the trouble most likely

but

if i can

i might can share some video

but

[pearl badge]

Like making the goofiest looking character as much as possible?

[worn gust]

its difficult

[urban lark]

That’s what I’m worried about too

[dusty kiln]

More like Ghost Recon style customisation. No goofy shit

[bronze portal]

i would be absolutely shocked if they keep even the first battlepass all military style

[worn gust]

but actually what concerned me besides the low recoil was the hit reg was way off most of my 1v1 gunfights

[pearl badge]

I wonder how it went if bf1 had character customization?

[urban lark]

Terribly

[worn gust]

you should somebody point blank in the chest

and somehow they had like 66hp or more

shotguns were basically one shot weapon

i remember that

[bronze portal]

netcode, classic DICE

hitreg, classic DICE

but

[urban lark]

BF1 moved the focus off customization but made up for it with the character models changing depending on the maps. British faction doesn’t use the same uniforms in base game maps as like, Achi Baba or even zeebrugge

[bronze portal]

it's an alpha test

bf1 chose the worst weapon system with variants

[pearl badge]

It's a good trade off

[bronze portal]

they could have taken some gameplay freedom and made something unique

instead of stale ass variants

[worn gust]

but from what i remember so far there was no meta weapon or meta weapon specific from what i can remember

[random blade]

this just in - a server performance stress test might have poor server performance

[worn gust]

oh wait

Assault rifle i think

were the stronges weapons at that time

[urban lark]

Only problem I have with variants is they were displayed in the weapons menu which bloats the actual weapon count

[worn gust]

yeah

[bronze portal]

what a surprise

[worn gust]

Assault weapons were kicking ass

[bronze portal]

ARs being strong

[worn gust]

even Lmgs coudnt compete but they seem buffed a bit from dps

i could kill alot of ppl like 6 of them i have a video of that with an LMG

it was crazy

[urban lark]

It really is. I’d be ok with losing character customization for rigid but immersive outfits that people can’t “grief” by throwing together things that clearly don’t match just to piss people off, basically no better than the skins you see in CoD anyways

[bronze portal]

LMGs are a terrible weapon class in video games. make them feel too light, just becomes a big mag AR. make em too heavy, no one uses it because it feels shitty

[dusty kiln]

I have a report here. I did share it earlier but for some reason it was silently removed, so I'll share it again:

1. Back to Class-Based System – No Specialist Heroes

DICE is moving away from Battlefield 2042’s Specialist/Hero model. Expect a return to traditional Assault, Engineer, Support, Recon roles.

Instead of unique Specialists, you’ll choose from one of those core classes—each with specific roles and perks, though still retaining some flexibility via weapon proficiency systems.

2. Nameless Soldiers, Not Branded Operators

Unlike BF 2042, the new game will feature your own soldier, not locked to story‑driven operators with preset voices and personalities.

Players and fans are emphasizing generic, immortal soldiers, allowing everyone to create their own identity without narrative characters taking the spotlight.

3. Customization: Tactical, Modular, Realistic

Expect a mix akin to Battlefield V and Ghost Recon—granular gear customization (helmets, vests, backpacks, gloves, boots, etc.).

Customization will maintain military credibility and clear class silhouettes, so you can easily tell who’s a medic, engineer, etc.

Focus will be on realistic gear and colorways, not over-the-top cosmetics. Some players hope wackier skins (like in BR modes) are kept separate.

4. Futuristic-Modern Hybrid Gear

The game is set in the near future (~10 years ahead) with contemporary soldiers using advanced tech—robots, drones, modern drones/jets/tanks.

Soldier attire is expected to be grounded, mainly realistic modern gear with subtle futuristic touches (e.g., smart helmets or advanced camo), but not sci-fi armor or exoskeletons.

[worn gust]

in BF4 i tried lmg and its sadly not good

[random blade]

make them work only when stationary, to hold down areas - it's campy

[worn gust]

i like LMG but i think Bad company 2 they were the best weapon

[bronze portal]

guess what bfv did exactly that

[worn gust]

but not really in BF3 or BF4

[bronze portal]

and everyone fucking hated it

[urban lark]

MMGs would’ve been fine had BFV not allowed people to fly around the map with every other weapon type

[pearl badge]

I think a toned down customization like changing just your helmets, webbings and nothing else would've been fine

[urban lark]

Ban sliding as a mechanic

[bronze portal]

sliding is fine

in battlefield series, the most broken was release state bf1 slide. everything other is fine

[urban lark]

It doesn’t make sense to put an MMG esque mechanic in a modern themed BF tho. LMGs/GPMGs replaced everything else that isn’t vehicle mounted

[bronze portal]

probably never gonna use LMGs anyway in a modern game so

ARs SMGs are where its at

[urban lark]

LMGs need to have gameplay incentives beyond big mag count like

I may be in the minority with this opinion but

Give them OG suppression

[bronze portal]

if you mean suppression that rewards missed shots by making it near impossible for the enemy to fire

[urban lark]

Yeah something like that

[bronze portal]

that is an absolutely horrible idea

[pearl badge]

What idea?

[urban lark]

It was only bad because everything under the sun had it for some reason

[bronze portal]

suppression should never affect the actual ability of a player to counter

only for visual

[urban lark]

Like pistols definitely do not need suppression and that’s just, physics

Idk it’s not great, it’s a dated mechanic but it’s something I think would be funny to see

I mean we wanna make LMGs useful right

[pearl badge]

What can we even do to suppression?

[dusty kiln]

As annoying as the suppression is in Hell Let Loose, that's probably the way it should go for this game

[bronze portal]

HLL is a milsim

Battlefield is not

[dusty kiln]

Sure, but it is mil-simmy

[bronze portal]

it's an arcadey large scale combat arms game

[urban lark]

It has definitely always played with more tactical aspects

[bronze portal]

that has the military THEMEs

[urban lark]

I mean the whole combined arms thing for one

[bronze portal]

you're not gonna tell me that tarkov/arma/squad plays like battlefield

[dusty kiln]

I think it should lean more towards mil-sim, but not fully. COD leans away from mil-sim

[bronze portal]

elaborate on why you think so

[urban lark]

CoD will become an arena shooter at this point

[dusty kiln]

Because I think people are dying for a grittier game, not arcade

[random blade]

I just want battlefield

[pearl badge]

With a bunch of speedy crackheads

[bronze portal]

bf1 has a gritty atmosphere while being an arcade shooter

everyone and their mother loves worshipping that game

[urban lark]

There’s no way people won’t get tired of it eventually

[dusty kiln]

Exactly. So keep that formula

[pearl badge]

How are you playing two games simultaneously?

[bronze portal]

absolutely terrible idea

[urban lark]

I mean the pendulum is just taking forever to swing

[bronze portal]

aside from graphical fidelity and atmopshere of the game

[pearl badge]

Remember the gorilla movement😭

[bronze portal]

bf1 had absolutely shallow, cheesy gameplay

[urban lark]

Oh come awn

Do I gotta go to war for BF1 again

[dusty kiln]

You say its a terrible idea, yet BF1 is one of the most celebrated in the franchise lol

[pearl badge]

That's a Lil harsh

[bronze portal]

bf1 is a great cinematic experience. Gameplay mechanics wise, there is way too many issues for people to praise it

[urban lark]

Idk the biggest complaint I seen for BF1s gameplay is that it was “too casual” which might just be the moozoo players from BF4 in disguise

Everything else? Annoying at worst

[bronze portal]

absolute cheese cannons everywhere in the game

[dusty kiln]

So you do want a more realistic experience then?

[urban lark]

I’ll only give BF1 gameplay critiques 1 point for mortars. They’re broken in BF1. That’s it

[dusty kiln]

I'm a bit confused as to what you want from this game

[bronze portal]

i stated it earlier but probably got lost in the argument with the best battlefield player on console with a 1kd 1kpm

[urban lark]

Sweet spot? Snipe back bro

Spread? Half of the maps are literally designed after real world locations so it’s a balancing factor

Uhhh skill gap movement? …..

[random blade]

bf1 is just sort of chill compared to the other ones

[pearl badge]

You say it's broken I say it's accurate

[random blade]

not much tension, not much challenge

which I guess is why people like it

but I just like having a little more juice

[bronze portal]

bf4 movement/gunplay/vehicle mechanics and depth, with the atmosphere of bf1

[urban lark]

BF4 movement is not real

Literally no movement in that game besides a genuinely cracked bug

Moozoo is not movement, it is an exploit

[bronze portal]

those are absolutely exploits i agree

so ofc i don't want an exploit to come back

but the ability to air strafe in bf4, with a relatively fast sprint speed and all, was just about perfect

[elder knoll]

Hilariously just like the real ww1

[elder knoll]

I genuinely think the BF6 gameplay is slower than 4s

[dusty kiln]

I think BF6 should be challenging, but not a ridiculous amount so that new players can at least maintain interest. It needs to lean more towards mil-sim IMO, but not fully. There needs to be a fine balance between arcade elements and mil-sim, but lean more on it being a challenge. It's more rewarding that way, and as I said, people are craving something grittier. Arcadey shit has been done to death.

[urban lark]

Honestly I shouldn’t say no movement my bad that’s not even true. I played on console so that’s where my experience comes from, air strafe is about it and idek what that is so I’m not qualified to speak on it

[random blade]

airstrafe isn't

[urban lark]

But I’ve unironically seen people say “just adapt bro” to moozoo like bro, hell no

[elder knoll]

You change your direction in mid air while jumping, that's air strafe in its purest form

[random blade]

the other stuff I don't mind never seeing again, but airstrafe and momentum preserving slides was fun as hell

[elder knoll]

You can jump and change your direction 90° to strafe around a corner, for example

[bronze portal]

ominidirectional slide with a cooldown, bf4 airstrafing

[urban lark]

In my opinion video game movement should always be based on what an actual human body can do unless we’re in the era of jetpacks or cybernetic machines or something wacky like that

[bronze portal]

boom, movement that is deep enough but not overwhelming

[urban lark]

Changing direction while jumping while fun for some makes 0 sense to me so I’m not for it

[random blade]

i'd rather just go for something that's fun

[elder knoll]

My personal pet peeve, but I really don't want to see Sliding in any FPSs outside Titanfall

[bronze portal]

games need skill gap, a way for outmanevering your opponent

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, keep that Max Payne shit out of here. You should be able to leap forward into a prone from a sprint and that's it. MW2 nailed that

[bronze portal]

and "positioning" shouldn't be the only key factor to a gunfight aside from literal basics like aiming

[random blade]

I can suspend my disbelief enough to not care about sliding, but instead see it's implications on gameplay and just whether it's fun to engage with

[elder knoll]

No one even replying to anyone here awesome I want to yell into the void more

[urban lark]

That + back prone, manual leaning and maybe climbing is what I think of when I hear “movement”

[urban lark]

I’ll get to it bro I won’t abandon you

[bronze portal]

you have the right to have an opinion

doesn't mean i'll agree, but your voice can be said

[elder knoll]

Thank you!! <33

[urban lark]

I replied to this btw

[elder knoll]

AAHH THANK YOU!!

[bronze portal]

im not gonna bash you for having a different view

some people have their playstyles

they prefer to keep things more cinematic and realistic by not using movement mechanics

some like to go all out and test their limit

[urban lark]

I mean I don’t deny that it feels fun probably because it’s just like scrolling. Just the same repetitive motion over and over. But sliding is just dumb depending on the game

[bronze portal]

plenty of good players that don't need to adhd cod tktok to do good

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, I like back prone too. That makes sense. Basically MW2 had all of these nailed apart from leaning corners.

BO6 has the auto lean on corners which is a nice feature. I would take the best elements from both games and combine them. Keep sliding, but punish trying to over use it.

[bronze portal]

it should always be about positioning and awareness

but movement is also a key factor for some players to learn, that can help them outmatch opponents through proper use

which is why i said slide with an internal cd

[urban lark]

I feel like it just quickly devolves into a bunch of spam to win buttons tbh

[bronze portal]

if spammed,it will leave you an even easier target than just strafing

[urban lark]

It also kills games over time when everyone who didn’t “adapt” to flying around on the floor leaves the game

[bronze portal]

people fly around in bf4 even when it was actively being supported

still had great amount of players with varying levels of skill

[urban lark]

Genuine question were people zoozooing around in 2013-15

[bronze portal]

idk exactly when it was like figured out

but once i learned about the med pack trick

[dusty kiln]

This is why I say it shook should lean towards mil-sim. Mil-sims punish you for trying to play like a cod sweat.

[random blade]

Sure I can understand the perception that it's the same thing over and over, but it's more than that. A slide, air strafe, bhop can turn fights into more actual 1v1 fights by avoiding fire and re engaging, THAT's the fun part. Instead of slicing every single corner and making it a who sees who first, it's an actual fight

[bronze portal]

i did abuse it a bit too much

[urban lark]

I want to assume sometime after 2020 because what else did people have to do besides sit indoors and break games for fun

[random blade]

bf will always require positioning but movement like that just makes it more intense

[bronze portal]

having too predictable of a game makes you lose interest

you see anyone do anything but strafe or crouch bounce in bf1 when they engage in gunfights?

[random blade]

the whole reason I dislike games like siege, cs etc is because it's just checking the same parts of the map each time, starting from the same place and learning stuff as if it's a text book

bf and other movement games just feel so much more dynamic

[bronze portal]

exactly. i'm not trying to memorize games lmao

[urban lark]

Will never touch siege or CS in my life tbh

[dusty kiln]

Well if that kind of movement must stay, then at least slow it down. Black Ops 6 is way too slippery. I actually think ADHD is a requirement for that game

[pearl badge]

You can't jump shoot in bf1

[worn gust]

blackbeard

[bronze portal]

exactly

zero variance in engagements

[pearl badge]

Didn't siege write out the main villains or smth?

[bronze portal]

absolutely sad because bf1 used to have some really engaging gunfights with the movement

it was a bit ridic but

[urban lark]

At this point what hasn’t siege rewritten

[dusty kiln]

Yessir

[bronze portal]

so many ways to outmanuever

and yeah, dying to someone with good movement is annoying, but it also teaches you a lot on how to engage your gunfights as well

[random blade]

it's strange cause siege has some rather quick strafe directional changes, no spread on it's weapons, fun recoil - all things that make strafe fights actually fun. But it's a tac shooter

[bronze portal]

do you bot walk next to cover and shoot standing still, or find a way to slide peek a corner to aggressively push?

[worn gust]

iits always good for the comrades

[dusty kiln]

But you just said positioning and awareness is important. The kind of movement kings we're talking about don't care about positioning, it's about outmaneouvering

[bronze portal]

trust me, not everyone is a locker sweat

[dusty kiln]

And that's when the game loses its tactical edge

When everyone is slide cancelling and swan diving all over the place

[bronze portal]

in the end, understanding map design is the most important

[worn gust]

it was good time soldiers

my sacrifice should not be in vain

[bronze portal]

everything needs to be balanced, and that's what their playtest hopefully aims to accomplish

[urban lark]

I’ll maybe concede on bunny hopping or jumping corners, but fights aren’t more “engaging” if you gotta claw the controller or keyboard tbh (imo). It’s just going to create exhaustion faster. I will literally play a game longer if fights are more tactical or at least grounded

2 matches of MW3 and I log off

[bronze portal]

look at what happened to cod. zero reason for cover when you can zoom around the map like a sugarglider after snorting crack

[alpine edge]

wdym claw

[dusty kiln]

That's my point. We don't want that to happen to BF

[urban lark]

Oh dude there’s a whole method to it

[random blade]

not much I can say since it's clear we both have completely different preferences

[bronze portal]

hence why i highlight balance

[urban lark]

Like you literally claw your controller with one hand lmao some guy in here a couple years ago said he did it to play 2042

[bronze portal]

having a positional-focused game but also allowing some units of freedom for movement, to have a skill gap

[alpine edge]

controller whole another world out there

[urban lark]

I think that’s what it comes down to cause I see where you’re coming from too

But I think objectively speaking

BF works best as a grounded sandbox that focuses on overall teamplay. Not these personalized ‘movement’ mechanics

[bronze portal]

i think personally, mr movement lover would agree with me

hence his name

positioning is important

but there needs to be ways to outmanuever an opponent

[worn gust]

is there nobody thanking me?

lol

[urban lark]

Like fights aren’t any less personal in 1 compared to 2042. I still want to kill you if it’s showing me I’m going 1-3 against you on the death screen

[worn gust]

for my sacrifice?

[dusty kiln]

Preferences or not, Battlefield should be grounded in realism first and foremost as it always has been. People can push the mechanics of the game and create "Battlefield Moments" but it should not be like an arena shooter where everyone is an acrobatic gunslinger. There needs to be some realism to the movement

[bronze portal]

you don't get slide hopped by a pp29 in bf1 so

[urban lark]

If I get slide hopped in any game

[alpine edge]

I'd rather get slide hopped then other things in BF1

[urban lark]

I was trying to find an emoji that works but nvm

[bronze portal]

gassed, mortared, bombed, sweetspotted, suppressed, lit on fire by flares

fucking zero skill game

[alpine edge]

worst game ever ❓

[urban lark]

BF1 hate is insane genuinely

[dusty kiln]

I personally detest movement kings. It's not even the getting outplayed that bothers me, just seeing people play like that makes me irrationally annoyed. It ruins immersion too.

[bronze portal]

ok please do not call them "movement kings"

i fucking hate that term lmao

[random blade]

well bf4 was my first bf, and that's my basis. The idea of movement is what got me hooked - the idea of systems that require time to learn and utilise, and doing so has you feeling the impact of your actions more. Since bf4 was my first, I base most of my preferences surrounding bf around that

[dusty kiln]

That's what they call themselves

[alpine edge]

it's valid, it's like the worst playing BF game

[urban lark]

Ridiculous

[alpine edge]

how.

[dusty kiln]

People who hop corners. I want to punch them in the face in real life. On god

[worn gust]

blackbeaurd

blackbeard

you ok?

[dusty kiln]

Yeah 😂

[worn gust]

so you watched it?

or no?

[dusty kiln]

Watched what?

[bronze portal]

Bf1 outperforms in visuals and infantry map designs. Everything else is just.. shallow and not this gold everyone speaks of

[worn gust]

haha

you know what

[dusty kiln]

No idea

[worn gust]

bro

i sent you a private message

?

[dusty kiln]

Oh I didn't see it. My bad

[bronze portal]

Bf1 was the most fun before the apocalypse dlc. Which is ironic

[tired thunder]

tdm maps maybe? because conquest...

[urban lark]

Idk man. BF4 is the north star but SHTF after 1, that’s just objectively true in every regard. People said, “nah, we don’t want BF1” so then we got 2 completely garbage games afterwards. Not that it makes 1 perfect. It’s certainly flawed. But I think it’s usually exaggerated

[tired thunder]

nvm i remember the tdm matches i played

[bronze portal]

Only real complaint is the elevation of each spawn

[alpine edge]

BFV is better than 1 💔

if we're talking about gameplay

[urban lark]

No

[bronze portal]

The brits get farmed on achi baba

[urban lark]

no no it is not

Attrition and 0 3d spotting is worst in every conceivable way

[alpine edge]

0 3D spotting is good

[bronze portal]

^

[urban lark]

Explain

[pearl badge]

I got the opposite in one match

[bronze portal]

Doritosfield is not exactly exciting

[alpine edge]

I think it's a good thing to get people to use their eyes

[urban lark]

I think it just results in more deaths to campers than necessary. There’s like a whole thing about being shot from bushes or by someone you swore was dead

[tired thunder]

ah yes. lets play with 31 random people and lets not communicate where the enemy is

[bronze portal]

Only issue with bfv and eyes is the terrible color palette

[alpine edge]

I don't really care about that

[urban lark]

I’d probably excuse a lack of 3d spotting if character models didn’t constantly blend into the environment

[bronze portal]

Minimaps exist for a reason

[alpine edge]

camo doing its job

😃

[tired thunder]

🧠 📉 ⏩

[bronze portal]

Couldnt agree more

[urban lark]

Ironically now it sounds more like you’re defending a milsim mechanic in BF more than I would

[bronze portal]

Minimaps are still present and present more information than whats in your player screen

[urban lark]

When has camo ever mattered in BF besides basically being dependent upon “ooh this looks cool”

V is like the 1 game where camo actually has a function and that would probably be okay if it weren’t for other ways V was balanced

[alpine edge]

I was jesting but muh visibility is such an annoying complaint

[dusty kiln]

Just watched a gameplay clip from BF6, and I gotta be real again... They need to remove women from the front line lol

[alpine edge]

this is the reason we don't get night maps anymore

[urban lark]

Nah dw im not like pressed or anything

[bronze portal]

Oh nah not the women in shooters talk

[urban lark]

It’s not an annoying complaint it’s genuinely valid, 3d spotting would’ve alleviated a lot of it. It’s why 2042 brought it right back

[worn gust]

FIVE

[dusty kiln]

Hearing a woman screech in the battlefield just ain't right

[worn gust]

i sent you a private messae

message

[alpine edge]

who cares

[urban lark]

And about the minimap thing I’m going to be real with you

[alpine edge]

it's modern combat

[urban lark]

Tunnel vision, perks, I ain’t doing all that

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, women are still not on the front lines of any theatre

[bronze portal]

Sure it doesnt offer the vibes of bf3 for example

[dusty kiln]

Just being honest

[alpine edge]

it's a game vro

[urban lark]

I honestly never bother with BFs minimap because oftentimes I think there’s too much on it

[dusty kiln]

Did you hear women screeching in BF4? Nope. And that game kicks fucking ass

[worn gust]

yeah BF4 for me is the last stronghold for Battlefield games in general

[tired thunder]

stick to it then

[urban lark]

I hate minimaps in CoD/BF in general cause the gameplay is just too fast paced for me to keep glancing up at it every few seconds. But that’s honestly just me

[pure kraken]

Mates

[dusty kiln]

Okay, and enjoy your strong independent screechers lmao

[pure kraken]

Is the M1918 a meta gun or the MP-18?

[alpine edge]

if we're going to be pedantic you should be complaining about inaccurate solider kits

[urban lark]

But still minimap doesn’t fix the entire issue. I mean this was a consistent problem Vs entire life

[tired thunder]

idc sorry

[worn gust]

juju i sent you a private message

[bronze portal]

1918 im assuming its the automatico

[urban lark]

Also are we getting into the women debate because all I will say is this

[pure kraken]

Yep

[bronze portal]

They have their pros and cons @pure kraken

[dusty kiln]

And it's this attitude that ruins modern FPS games

[bronze portal]

1918 performs extremely well up close

Mp18 is more balanced

[pure kraken]

But which gun is more toxic?

[bronze portal]

Lower fire rate, better dmg dropoff

[urban lark]

I do not care about creative liberty depending on the themes constraints when quotas and arcade game design elements still need to be addressed, but throwing history out the window for the sake of it is just dumb

[pure kraken]

Well I do have some opinions

[bronze portal]

1918 is more the meta so

Smg08 is the most toxic though

Zero skill cheese weapon

[tired thunder]

ah yes. not the greed and incompetence of big studios. but women voice 🧠 📉 ⏩

[urban lark]

“It’s just a game” is such a bad cop out, as if video games are the only medium of entertainment where people can’t expect some degree of realism or at least atmosphere

[bronze portal]

With gaming being more accessible than ever, it’s important for businesses to try and tend to more audience. Im not a big fan of hearing those horrible screams in my games either but it is what it is

[pure kraken]

M1918
High Fire rate
Better hip fire
High recoil at ADS
Low Mag.

MP-18
High mag
Decent recoil

[dusty kiln]

Imagine creating a game based on the events of thr 300 Spartans and they made half the army screeching women. Some in here will say "idc", and I'll say no shit. What a way to ruin a good thing. It's not sexism, it's about congruence

[urban lark]

It’s also just ethically disrespectful to actual veterans and historical figures for DICE to do what they did so I mean

[bronze portal]

Funnily enough, if the mp18 fires at the same rpm it actually has more recoil

[alpine edge]

I mean yeah at the same time it's Battlefield

the weapon and soldiers have never been authentic

[pure kraken]

Ye but for some reason I can control it

[alpine edge]

if you really care about that stuff you should pick up Squad or arma

[bronze portal]

A lot of bf1 “recoil” is visual and mainly attributed to spread

[alpine edge]

that's why it doesn't really bother me

[urban lark]

Usually for a mix of legal/creative liberty reasons. But there’s a difference between that and Vs existence

[pure kraken]

So anyways I already got the Fedorov

[bronze portal]

Try and find an empty server, dump a mag at the wall, and observe the gun flying around

[alpine edge]

5 should've been an alt history WW2 game

[bronze portal]

But in reality, the recoil is very miniscule

[tired thunder]

good point but its not 300 lmao also pubg had women and it is one of the most played fps game of the last decade. again greed and incompetence > women voice

[dusty kiln]

Yeah, but they never went full redard until they started adding more and more women. It ruins immersion for me personally, because I know women are not on a front line slaying badguys. They're just not.

[alpine edge]

you also don't see US soldiers running around with eastern weaponary

[bronze portal]

Bfv would have been better received as an imaginary steampunk ww2 or slightly after ww2

[alpine edge]

but hey

[bronze portal]

Like wolfenstein

[alpine edge]

I'm not the sexist guy here

[urban lark]

I have a response for this that I want you to consider

What if I just want Battlefield to be like older battlefield games where the standard I have was met in my eyes? Not because it was entirely realistic, but because it was atmospheric enough for me to excuse an error here or there

[tired thunder]

dunno why i have to point such simple thing lol

[urban lark]

Like people always assume people are asking for BF or CoD to be a milsim when really we’re just citing older BF/CoD games as examples

[alpine edge]

I don't see how woman break this standard

[pearl badge]

That would've been awesome as hell

[alpine edge]

it's on the same level as inaccurate equipment and gear to me

[urban lark]

Example: I love BF1 which has an entire mini campaign dedicated to a female character. I don’t care because it’s grounded in reality. V?

Literal meme

[alpine edge]

I do treat fictional modern conflicts differently to like historical stuff

[worn gust]

when i played the bf labs test i saw some jump shooting and stuff but it seems not that strong

[dusty kiln]

Yeah but pubg is ridiculous anyway. Random people parachuting into some non descript land with the simple aim of killing each other down to the last man. It's not realistic at all, so I don't care. Whereas Battlefield is grounded in realism. That's why it bothers me. Its the same reaosn I couldn't care about women in Apex Legends or any other ridiculous arena shooter

[bronze portal]

That would have allowed creative weapon designs, cool map concepts (US in siege, etc), and interesting cosmetics, doesnt make the presence of women in wars weird

[urban lark]

BFV and CoD vanguard both should’ve just been steampunk-esque WW2 games then I wouldn’t care. But don’t gaslight your players with nonsense revisionism

[tired thunder]

video games are not meant to be realistic. next

[urban lark]

If it’s a fictional modern conflict I genuinely wouldn’t care at all if character models were women

Cause it makes sense that western armies might do such a thing

[alpine edge]

which is what BF6 is doing

[urban lark]

WW2 though, I’m not even being sexist when I say that just was not happening

[bronze portal]

Personally i think it was a fuckup to add it to a historical war where 99 percent were men, but again. Times are different

[urban lark]

You know what’s funny tho, I would’ve loved a BFV war story in an alternate timeline where the game is good where the WASPs get militarized and that’s a whole thing. Or the Soviet women tankers/snipers

[worn gust]

i feel like that frantic AREA 51 caller i got get ahhhh !

[bronze portal]

Game companies really dont give a shit about much but appealing to as many people

And making money

[dusty kiln]

Lol, right which is why I don't complain about playing as Crash Bandicoot fucking girlfriend. Context matters. If you're making a war simulator, based on real world authenticity - Even if it is just a game, it should be authentic. Women should not be the main characters in a fucking war sim lol

[random blade]

They could make up battles in a world war setting and I probably wouldn’t even notice lol

[bronze portal]

If they really cared about players live service wouldnt be used as a way to dripfeed lazy content

[urban lark]

Neither are movies, people love fury despite how hilariously inaccurate it was cause it at least tries (well, a better example would be band of brothers, actually)

[alpine edge]

depends on what the creators are going for

[alpine edge]

battlefield is not a war sim

[tired thunder]

not even arma 3 is a war simulator. only if you install several mods.

[urban lark]

My bad I hopped into the convo late fighting for BF1s honor so I wasn’t sure if the convo was about V or 6

I just mentioned the thing in general

[alpine edge]

they should continue the 2035 setting 🤫

[worn gust]

i would say Battlefield is a like semi tactic war game but not a Warsim like Arma but i dont want it to be a simulator

[tired thunder]

enlist and go to ukraine and that is you war simulator

[bronze portal]

The only big issue with your statements (which deep inside I agree) is the wishes of players and the goal of the devs dont always line up

[dusty kiln]

Right, and yet there are no women to be seen in Arma 3 lol. So it at least respects realism

[worn gust]

and the woman screaming is kinda a turn off but i guess iam used to it from BFV

[pearl badge]

Band of brothers had a inaccuracy where one of the spot light characters passed away in 1963 but in reality they died in the 2000's

[random blade]

And now the next bf game is being realistic by adding them too :)

[bronze portal]

Games are more accessible than ever, and greed has overtaken the gaming industry. They want to appeal as big of a player base as possible for sales and revenue. Authenticity and player wishes comes second if not third

[urban lark]

Something like that is kinda ridiculous to get messed up, but it’s not impossible to overlook

[dusty kiln]

Women screaming is only a turn off when it's in Battlefield and they're asking for a medic lol

[bronze portal]

Bfv was a stretch to put women into. Not entirely agreeable in their decisions

[urban lark]

The weird thing in general is, historical consistency goes out the window specifically with WW2 video games. Why

[tired thunder]

there is

[bronze portal]

But modern games.. i really cant say much