battlefield-legacy-titles

[tidal shuttle]

If you have nvgs put flares in the game aswell to counter them

for the campers lol

[alpine edge]

or flashlights

[tidal shuttle]

ya

Overall have variations in maps

[alpine edge]

they should've leaned further into the "milsim" aspect

[tidal shuttle]

Snow map? Look you’ve just made certain camos/skins viable

[urban lark]

I mean I put 100s of hours into MW22 that I just didn’t get nearly close to with MW23

The lowered skill ceiling in general may have helped some campers but it also took longer to become exhausted playing the game without people flying all over your screen all damn match

[alpine edge]

slide being the best way to traverse the map gets tiring to look at it

[tidal shuttle]

Cus mw2019 was just sniper glint everywhere

Every window every nook and cranny

[alpine edge]

base MW19 maps were atrocious

[tidal shuttle]

Lil picadilli action?

[urban lark]

Looking back on it the gunplay and campaign were the only things I think I enjoyed about mw19

[lilac pier]

Still wondering why we never got Night Shanghai

[alpine edge]

💀💀💀

[lilac pier]

I loved playing it in the CTE

[frozen ore]

I would love more true night maps where night vision is required. It would be crazy to go w/o and see rockets, explosions, etc. illuminate the environment when you couldn't see anything otherwise

[lilac pier]

OMG i love the idea

[alpine edge]

same but people whine about not having good visibility all the time

[lilac pier]

and have flares or flashes make you completely blind like with thermals

[frozen ore]

Legit dude. I think itw ould be awesome

[lilac pier]

WOMP WOMP the game is about sitting back and having fun

if you want great visibility go to a different server

[alpine edge]

you should tell that to some of the regulars here

lol

[lilac pier]

(please bring back server browser)

[lilac pier]

This discord is so infested with COD kids I hate it

All they think about is KD and skins

I love to think Battlefield was never about the KD or the skins, It's about the fun and the crazy only in battlefield moments

[frozen ore]

Agreed

[urban lark]

Always felt like a movie inside of a video game to me

Which is why as much as I’ve heard “gameplay over immersion bro” I do think getting the aesthetics of a battlefield game right is just as important as how it plays as well

[lilac pier]

Sometimes you hit a heli with an RPG and it gives you so much joy than sliding around and spraying lasers at others

[frozen ore]

K/D is always something I shoot to improve, but those moments that feel like you're in a crazy hollywood war movie are the most incredible. Completely unscripted beautiful chaos

[tidal shuttle]

To care that highly about kd in a pub is crazy

just PTFO

[frozen ore]

You can do both....

[tidal shuttle]

HEEEELLLLPP MEE ON C FLAG

[urban lark]

I was never big on stats but I will say that with battlefield it’s a bit redundant when you can get revived and your death won’t even technically count

[lilac pier]

LOL this is me on operation locker when I flank A or E

[tidal shuttle]

😭😭😭

[urban lark]

Can we even discuss leaked gameplay?

[frozen ore]

Yup. Very clunky atm

[urban lark]

I’m genuinely curious

[tidal shuttle]

Only time you wouldn’t be either def/ or attacking a pin is if you airborne in a chopper. But I’ve seen choppers capture flags so no excuses

[lilac pier]

Yes we can

[frozen ore]

Unfortunately, they seem to fly similarly to 2042

[deep mesa]

will Battlefield 6 be based on modern warfare?

[lilac pier]

What does that mean

[lilac pier]

I mean... sure

[alpine edge]

not really CoD kids, moreso people who priortise game design and balance over everything else

[lilac pier]

bf4 had the best and easiest to learn flying mechanics

[frozen ore]

2042 got better, but it is very basic

[lilac pier]

Also in 2042 the transport helis are so unbalanced

[frozen ore]

Brooooo they need to be deleted and forgotten to history

[lilac pier]

The russian one is very superior imo

[urban lark]

I dunno why they didn’t just use actual vehicles for the transports

[alpine edge]

they nerfed them to the ground ages ago

[frozen ore]

They have the health of a flying aircraft carrier with ridiculous weaponry attached

[lilac pier]

and the american cv22 can just turn into a jet

[urban lark]

Or just design them similarly to the bf4 transports

[lilac pier]

Im comparing the american one to the russian one

[frozen ore]

I think if you hit ANY air vehicle with an unguided rocket, it should be a 1 hit kill

[tidal shuttle]

The horse from bf1 has more tbh

[alpine edge]

oh

[frozen ore]

These freaking helicopters take like 3

[lilac pier]

design and drivability wise

[alpine edge]

they use the blackhawks in conquest 64 lol

[lilac pier]

Isnt that true in all bfs?

[lilac pier]

wdym, both transport helis exist irl

[frozen ore]

It's not true on 2042. Transport helis take like 3 rockets (even unguided) to be killed. And thats IF they didn't regen health between shots

[tidal shuttle]

I think the transport takes 2 but 1 shot will disable it

Making it easy to follow up with

[lilac pier]

😂

Yo 2042 is a fucking joke

[real quartz]

Screw KD the jeep jumps on Golmund were high flying fun slap a lil dyno on the hood you could take recons out on rooftops daaamn that was hilarious

[alpine edge]

that'd be fine if they didn't auto repair

[frozen ore]

Also SOMEHOW a light ground vehicle in 2042 ALSO doesn't die in one rocket. STUPIDITY

[urban lark]

I clarified a bit with my follow up message, it would’ve made more sense for them to have door gunners and that be it

Creating a jet engine Osprey for the hell of it seems cool but as far as gameplay goes I remember it being absolutely cracked

The hind was slightly more tolerable

[lilac pier]

I remember playing with my uncle on golmud, we would be on different teams, meet at the rock, put C4s at each other's jeeps and go to tanks of our team and explode it

[frozen ore]

Another incredibly stupid design decision...because mechanical pieces of metal can heal on their own. Good grief, its so broken

[alpine edge]

I blame BF1 for that

[lilac pier]

Oh yeah this too, Auto repair is so ass

it makes something like the nightbird a nightmare

[frozen ore]

I hope whoever's idea this was got Tobasco sauce poured in their coffee

[tidal shuttle]

It’s a mechanic from battlefront1 they brought over

[lilac pier]

Yeah it could just go in jet mode and wait till its back to full health

[lilac pier]

🙏🙏🙏

I remember in BF3 when your vehicle gets on fire (I think under 20hp) it starts losing health gradually

And you cant just repair it while inside

[frozen ore]

Thats the way its supposed to be lol

[alpine edge]

BFV had like HP breakpoints for tanks

[tidal shuttle]

Now we’re getting somewhere

[alpine edge]

so you couldn't auto regen back to full hp

[frozen ore]

But BFV didn't have auto-regen. Vehicles had a healing ability that healed a portion of their health, but no auto-regen

[lilac pier]

also, BF1 had auto repair too. A fucking World War game 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[alpine edge]

yeah that's what I meant

[tidal shuttle]

They had to dumb it down

Mfs woulda cried if the game was too diff

[lilac pier]

Battlefield is not even that hard to get the hang of tho

[alpine edge]

they should bring back pilot and tanker roles

[real quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/blocktales-block-tales-griefer-brad-gif-10393261939447234367

Shame on u, ur a lil greifer are yee, I've been known to greif campers

[lilac pier]

Idc, had fun back then

I want to relive those moments man

the giggles

the joy

all of it

[tidal shuttle]

This man was trying to get to bf orbit instead of capturing the obj that had the missile truck

Respect

[frozen ore]

ngl, in BF3 I would put C4 on friendly jets as they took off then detonate, which forced their noses into the ground lol

I freaking died every time though

lol

[real quartz]

That's what it's all about having 😊

[lilac pier]

I used to C4 tanks in bf4 and send them flying

[tidal shuttle]

I found it funny in 2042 all I did was send drones out w c4 on them and went after the endless supply of vehicles

Oh, you think you’re good? Wait there

[lilac pier]

Also, can we not have the ability to call war dogs, hoverboards or tanks

Like dude wtf

[real quartz]

Oh no endless supply of explosions I'm jelly an chit now

[tidal shuttle]

10/10 game

[alpine edge]

not in BF6

that system was a band aid fix for the large maps

[lilac pier]

Yeah true, maps like stadium were hard to navigate on foot

[tidal shuttle]

Those maps were too large

[lilac pier]

way too large

Basically no cover from the skies

An attack heli gunner's heaven

[alpine edge]

I'm kinda sad 128 scared them back to 64

[lilac pier]

I love 128

[real quartz]

I gave up on 42 pretty quick with no server browser went back to v and 1

[alpine edge]

I think 80 players with 5 man squads would be good

[lilac pier]

Imagine 128 on Operation Locker

ok maybe dont

[alpine edge]

it's not really the player count, moreso DICE didn't know how to design the game around it

[lilac pier]

I think what they thought they did with no server browser is if they kill the game, it's dead for good and you gotta buy the new one. They dont like people sticking to old titles and playing on community servers

[tidal shuttle]

Keep the network smooth 64 is fine atm

[real quartz]

Oh come on man if that train would move you could plow the bodies with no track warrants heheh

[lilac pier]

Yeah ngl

Maps like stadium I think were thought for 128 but it was way too big even for 128

They could have saved 2042 imo with portal but they messed up

[real quartz]

Let's hope the new one is tuned , singing the song of BF moves

[lilac pier]

portal is such a good idea, just wasnt taken care of properly

[lilac pier]

Are you AI? 😂

[real quartz]

Let's see now I file my toe nail on the sidewalk in bare feet uh no 😭 you call me an AI . My AI gf Isha is gonna get mad at you

Hah hah it's either that or use side cutters whimpy ass toenail cutters my big toe nails are like hooves. I thought about that scene from dumb and dumber heh heh

[tidal shuttle]

Ewww

Saw blade action

[lilac pier]

Opinion on throwing knives?

[real quartz]

I like them like my farts silent but deadly

[lilac pier]

Yeah but you wouldn't like the smell of your fart

Just like you wouldn't want to die to the throwing knives

[real quartz]

Hey it's all roses here until I puke 🤢

[lilac pier]

And when you throw up is when you realise the fart was a mistake all along

Just like having throwing knives

[real quartz]

Gotta go mess around a bit later all

[minor matrix]

There’s a battle in a field. It’s called a battlefield.

[exotic crater]

BY THE GHOST OF PATRICK BACH WHEN WILL YOU REVEAL THE GAME

ODIN ANSWER ME OR BRING ME ETERNAL REST, PLEASE NAME THE NEXT BATTLEFIELD GAME AND EDGE ME

[vocal stump]

I’ve set up a Death From Above trophy boost server in community games for BF V if anyone is around and needs it / can help

[worthy sapphire]

would the next battlefield would have linux support

[wild jacinth]

Damn i still wish there was still a bfv firestorm North American community

[olive sierra]

It would be wise. Perhaps SteamOS will have evolved enough by then.

[dusk holly]

is bf6 dead

some youtuber said that

[olive sierra]

That's evidence enough. It's gone.

[dusk holly]

what i was thinking

people dont lie, especially on the interweb

[olive sierra]

We need to bring back custom card stuff to the industry

I miss the obscene things people made from basic shapes

[restive summit]

ルニ~ムヒ？〜ろ？むずさ〜や？ペ・ホユト塗るすよろろぬさ

[west basin]

Are we allowed to talk about bfv and bf1 here or is that other games tab? I'm new for this discord but a veteran at battlefield

[strange monolith]

yea

[olive sierra]

Remaster 3 & 4 as one mp game

Do it

[tired thunder]

the tech isn't there

[timid spade]

why do helis have to be the most difficult vehicles to control

and the rockets, good god i can barely aim, and the damage is so minuscule I might as well just be launching water bottles at the enemies

[random blade]

once you learn how they work they are very intuitive

but then again that goes for everything so

[lilac pier]

then remake them on a new engine

This is battlefield discord not R6

What battlefield had the best voice lines in your opinion?

I feel like it was BF4

with the Chinese and Russians also

You really felt that immersion imo

[subtle bronze]

The thing I like about battlefield series is that they actually hire voice actors that are fluent in their own language. I remember playing crysis a long time ago and the North Koreans sounded so weird lol. Like they had this thick non Korean accent

Oh nvm, u said voicelines…I thought u said the best voice actors

[kindred sail]

BF 3 and BF 1 by a longshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sZMSBtSFrg

[unique basalt]

Oh damn I didn't notice im in the wrong server sorry

[last wave]

That's also important. It's not just up to the actors but the voiceover directors to actually bring a good performance out of them.

[lilac pier]

But to answer ur question, yes the ak-74m is good because its easier to control due to it having less rpm

[subtle bronze]

Yesss

[noble rose]

why is every sar in bfv exactly the same lol

[subtle bronze]

Let’s hope bf6 will meet our expectations

[unique basalt]

thx for answering

[hearty rover]

BF6 better be good otherwise I'm tossing the console after they shutdown BF4 and BF1 servers.

[arctic jolt]

Is there a chat on discord that keeps up to date with BF6 news like when the beta comes online and stuff like that

[tired thunder]

the tech isnt there is a classic quote from the 2042 development cycle

[inland pumice]

looking at bf6 atm... finding that bf3-4 look better

[alpine crow]

yo

[hollow portal]

They better not shutdown those bf4 and bf1 servers. They should also just make all the DLC for those games free again

[hollow portal]

I don’t think it will. Too many ppl to please. Either one side of the community will love it and the other won’t, we all hate it, or most of the community agrees that it’s a solid game while a small amount still complain about it

[hollow portal]

Bare minimum we need a scoreboard and a game that works at launch

[subtle bronze]

I’m worried about the minority of the people that complain will screw the game over lol. They usually have the loudest voice.

[hollow portal]

They will always find something to complain about no matter what

[subtle bronze]

I love traversal sprint in bf 2042

So I feel a lil sad it won’t make it to bf6

I blame the complainers

Also call me crazy but I luv universal weapons

Instead of class locked ones

[hollow portal]

All I want is a game that works, a scoreboard, lots of weapons to use, definitely not 100 hovercrafts flying all over the place, a dedicated class system with class locked weapons (preferably BF1 class system), destructible environments, and either BF1 or BF4 movement

[subtle bronze]

I see I see

We have our differences

[hollow portal]

We do lol

But I’m fine with carbines or Pdws being universal

[subtle bronze]

Oh u forgot server browsers

[hollow portal]

Definitely need that too lol

[subtle bronze]

I HATE LEAVING THE GAME AFTER EACH MATCH

it’s so annoying

[hollow portal]

Me too haha, if they don’t include server browsers in the game that would be absurd

[subtle bronze]

Ya this is prefer playing on portal

Why

[hollow portal]

Portal needed more content

[subtle bronze]

Ya

[hollow portal]

More bf3 maps would have been amazing

[subtle bronze]

More maps would’ve been nice

lol

We got plenty of weapons tho

[hollow portal]

And honestly I don’t want live service if it will be a lazy live service

[subtle bronze]

Eh I feel indifferent towards live service

[hollow portal]

At that point I’d rather pay for the dlc n actually get a bunch of maps and new weapons guaranteed

Vs waiting for so long n getting barely any content

[subtle bronze]

Maybe

But won’t that split the players

[hollow portal]

It will, that’s the problem

I just want these developers to actually give a shit about their game and community rather than half assing everything and giving us the bare minimum

[subtle bronze]

I prefer free maps and weapons but just charge for cosmetics

[hollow portal]

Battlefield can be so great if the devs give us content and actually listen to us

[subtle bronze]

Ya

I agree

[hollow portal]

Like the BFV content drops were pathetic

[subtle bronze]

I want some dope ass cosmetics tho

[hollow portal]

N 2042 was abysmal

[subtle bronze]

None of those weird looking purple skins or whatever

[hollow portal]

Definitely do not want to see that

[subtle bronze]

Ya for real

[hollow portal]

I swear if I see a Nicki Minaj or 21 savage running around in the next battlefield game I will flip

If they actually offer real military accurate cosmetics then I guess that’s fine

[subtle bronze]

YESSSA

THIS

100%

Damnit

Can’t add attachments here

Found some cool pics on Pinterest

Slightly futuristic

[hollow portal]

Like I get that they need to make money from micro transactions, that’s just the state of gaming these days. So if they make military accurate cosmetics fine okay, but don’t give me some collab cosmetic with the ninja turtles that will take away from the immersion and realism of the game

[subtle bronze]

Ya lol

[hollow portal]

Unfortunately micro transactions aren’t going anywhere

[subtle bronze]

Like the dead space suits for bf 2042

Ugh

[hearty rover]

@hollow portal agree 2042 was a shitestorm after a 2 months I quit and never went back.

[subtle bronze]

I played bf 2042 4 yrs after launch lol

[hollow portal]

Same, I just went back to bf1 and bf4. That angry Joe review on YouTube for 2042 was hilarious

[subtle bronze]

I say it’s pretty good now

I bought bf1 during a sale but I haven’t played it yet

I played the beta tho

It was amazing

[hollow portal]

Fantastic game. The immersion is something else

[hearty rover]

@subtle bronze along with a working BF4 style scoreboard no more of the garbage useless stupid little charms and lame skins would be a definite move in the right direction.

[hollow portal]

Oh I do not want to see charms period

[subtle bronze]

What are charms again

[hollow portal]

Give me gritty military accurate cosmetics

[hollow portal]

Like the dinosaur keychain hanging off of the gun

[subtle bronze]

Ooooh

[hollow portal]

Or some random keychain just hanging off of the firearm

[subtle bronze]

Ya im gonna be honest I don’t mind that lol. I currently have an angel charm hanging off my machine guns

Guess I’m the minority here rofl

[hearty rover]

@hollow portal ❤️

[subtle bronze]

Oh ya I forgot. Do you guys think specialists im bf 2042 will make a cameo role in bf6 single player campaign??

Would love to see Zain and Crawford in action

Nvm

[hollow portal]

Honestly I hope not, except for Irish. He was a G in BF4. I feel like the voice lines of the specialists just made the game a joke

[subtle bronze]

Oh ya Irish voice actor died

[hollow portal]

Like some when you see their lines in the top 3 at the end of the game that was a joke

[hollow portal]

Oh damn, RIP

[subtle bronze]

lol

[hollow portal]

Honestly they could just do BFBC3 as BF6 that would make so many ppl here happy

Even the campaign characters were a hit with the community

[subtle bronze]

Characters were amazing for bc2

But the storyline was kind of meh

[hollow portal]

Yeah, story is definitely not a strong suit for the BF games but sometimes the characters r a hit

Lowkey even BF3 had a decent story

[subtle bronze]

I forgot the story for bf3

It was such a long time ago

[random blade]

Anime vehicle skins it is then

[hollow portal]

Heck ya dude! One piece tank skin with Monkey D Luffy and Zoro would go hard

[subtle bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-heart-heart-anime-gif-14781476899871369298

Aw I can’t post gifs here

Eh

[subtle bronze]

I love one piece

I’m currently on the wano arc

[solar quarry]

where did the skeleton head avatar guy go? I only see MovementLover... has there been a regime change?

[tidal shuttle]

Wano nice and longgggg

Be ready

[solar quarry]

Just stopping by to catch up and also not talk about any of the high quality gameplay footage I've seen...

[azure light]

One can only pray right

[wispy zephyr]

nope, vince zampella says back to the mw22 mines with you

[azure light]

So I've been lacking on the news is Battlefield Labs open for testing?

[odd loom]

best I can do is call of duty, hold the call, extra doody

the irony of newer CoDs having stuff like reload stages and vehicles while BF is progressing to be more casualized is not lost on me

reload stages are actually such a sick mechanic (e.g. if you start sprinting mid-reload the game remembers what stage you were at and restarts from that point instead of letting you shoot/reload from the start) but the eSports babbys would cry about it

[vocal stump]

Anyone free to join bf v for the death from above trophy? I have a community game open.

[slim saddle]

hey i need help importing an emblem into bf companion for bf1

it says error whenever i paste the code

ive tried on edge and chrome

[fleet adder]

Any one down for some bf5 on Friday?

[slim saddle]

help 😦

[fleet adder]

I would mate but I play on playstation so I don't have a clue

[violet dune]

Tell that to the Ukrainians or South Koreans for that matter. lmao

Chinese influence is next to nothing, Russia has more influence by not being a pain in the ass for North Koreans unlike Chinese are.

[fervent pelican]

hey

[fleet adder]

Any one down for some bfV on Friday?

[fervent pelican]

does anyone here play bf 1

[fleet adder]

Yep

[fervent pelican]

yo i need help with squad heals. Can you get on?

[fleet adder]

My user is rpanddave

[fervent pelican]

mine is yogg2000

[fleet adder]

Ok ill add you

[fervent pelican]

thx

[fleet adder]

Sent

[fervent pelican]

bet I won't be back for 30-45 min

[cobalt jolt]

How do I see my enemies better in battlefield 5? I always feel like I’m blind compared to others

[fervent pelican]

use the spot button

[cobalt jolt]

Nah I mean as in physically seeing

[fervent pelican]

oh

[cobalt jolt]

When someone stands right in front of me I sometimes completely miss them

And it’s not my eyes

[fervent pelican]

are u on pc

[cobalt jolt]

Ps5

[fervent pelican]

try turning up your contrast

[cobalt jolt]

I already tried but u gave me a new idea

[fervent pelican]

what is it

[fleet adder]

The lower ur for the more visible they are thats a fact

[shadow wyvern]

Seriously I was hoping battlefield 6 would come out this year

[urban lark]

Is it not? I’m curious

[shadow wyvern]

It’s coming out next year sadly

[urban lark]

Dang

[urban lark]

Honestly you kinda just don’t

BFV has terrible visibility in general cause they removed 3d spotting and character models aren’t “illuminated” against the maps either if I’m not mistaken

[bronze portal]

As a south korean i can confidently say the only reason why NK poses any threat is the fact they have nukes lol

[bronze portal]

not just that. the color palette they chose was horrible

everything is needlessly vibrant and it feels like my eyes are getting saturated through the monitor

only map that plays okay when it comes to visibility is underground, but only if you have the config file

[stuck tiger]

is there anywhere to vote to change the class system and should get weapons locked ?

[bronze portal]

they're not gonna lock weapons lol

otherwise, less incentivizing to buy skin bundles

[urban lark]

Ughhhhhh

[stuck tiger]

we dont need skin bundles weapons should be locked

[urban lark]

I miss when the CoD studios and dice were just obvious military nerds

[stuck tiger]

i dont want to see a sniper as engineer or medic

[bronze portal]

lol i think the last cod game with "reasonable" skins was cod ghosts

unfortunately, skin bundles + no locked weapons means people are free to use any gun they like

therefore, skins are more enticing by that logic

[stuck tiger]

and it mean people wont like that and many wont play it

[bronze portal]

with the lack of a good modern combat arms shooter

most people will just swallow their bitterness and play

DICE EA knows people are craving a BF style game

[urban lark]

Unfortunately

[bronze portal]

David Sirland coming back to save this franchise is a good news. But he is just but one person against an army of higher ups who have nothing but greed up their ass

very little can be done. I just hope it's a mechanically sound game

expectations for FPS game is so low now, it's depressing

as long as the mouse works, and controls feel smooth as well as movement, im all in

[stuck tiger]

and then u find the whole game with the same weapon and attachments

[urban lark]

It’s kinda funny how most of the time in the 2042 channel it’s basically people just trying to get troubleshooting help

[stuck tiger]

and probably using same class

[bronze portal]

yeah no i remember pp29/vhx/rm68 field

[cobalt jolt]

Thanks now I know I’m not the issue

[urban lark]

I honestly want a gunsmith in battlefield

[urban lark]

No problem dude no it’s literally not you at all. That’s part of the reason I hate V

[bronze portal]

i don't want anything like the way cod handles it

[urban lark]

It doesn’t have to be super constraining but I do want more customization freedom

[bronze portal]

based on what they showed in the playtest i think its a decent system

[urban lark]

Oh word what do they have

[bronze portal]

but i feel like some attachment points are way too high

so weapons have 100 point limit

each attachment takes 10~40 iirc

and you fit it accordingly

the fast extended mag is a bit overpriced tho

[urban lark]

Sounds interesting

I’m more of a fan of like pick 5 but idk we’ll see how bf6 does it

[bronze portal]

i think if properly handled it's a simple enough but decent solution

because 2042 system was just not it

literally throw lwg/wrapped suppressor and 3 mags. zero variance

[urban lark]

Ikr

[bronze portal]

the only thing im concerned is movement

there hasn't been any detailed vids that show its capabilities

and based on the things I've seen, doesn't seem like much is there to work with to outmanuever your opponents

[urban lark]

I feel like positioning should matter way more

Instead of just flying around your enemies screen

[bronze portal]

trust me, i don't want omnimovement where i can fly around like a squirrel on fentanyl and THC chocolates

[stuck tiger]

actually it looks good as i saw in the leak video

[urban lark]

[violet dune]

Such statement would have been true and factual about roughly some 10 years ago unlike present day or 5 years ago.

[urban lark]

Nowadays North Korea has enough artillery to basically level Seoul but I mean

Same country with like 2 months of proven oil reserves

[bronze portal]

i served my duties as a citizen and took part as a GP unit. I've seen enough to know that nukes are basically the only threat

i mean im pretty sure we can just sink NK with ROK arsenal but

it ain't a war using manpower anymore

not too long ago, they introduced a new warship which sank basically right away

and they're trying to get it to shore using "balloons"

[bronze portal]

its still a playtest

and based on DICE track record, they like catering hard to the absolute dogshit casuals

so they could nerf everything by release, which would be terrible

[stuck tiger]

😵‍💫

[bronze portal]

been enjoying some of that new Doom but a single player shooter, i can only play for so long

i really hope this new title is gonna be something to play for a while

[urban lark]

Same

[bronze portal]

idk what they will do with portal, but if they bring it back I surely hope its not filled with just dogshit milsim servers like 2042 rn

[shadow wyvern]

I saw the explosions in bf 6 and they were bigger and more huge

[slim saddle]

help im trying to make an emblem and i can’t rotate anything in the editor???

[fervent pelican]

do any of you guys play bf 1

[bronze portal]

not much but every so often

[slim saddle]

yes

[urban lark]

I hop on once in a while

[slim saddle]

i’m trying to make a new emblem rn AND I CANT ROTATW IT

[bronze portal]

its a good game to play while drunk or high

[fervent pelican]

i need help with squad heals for a gun. Can you hop on?

[slim saddle]

i can’t rn

sore

sorry

[fervent pelican]

ok

[bronze portal]

join a game of operations, equip yourself with crate and packs, just spam

really doesn't take that long

[fervent pelican]

thx

[violet dune]

So much for you knowing about North Korea when you post comment such as these.

[fervent pelican]

i play medic

[stray kayak]

DPRK*

[violet dune]

North Korea effectively had such capacity to do so since 1980's with 170mm bore and 66 caliber length self propelled howitzer and 240mm MRLS.

[bronze portal]

not a warship, destroyer class or something

idfk the details, all i know is they tried lifting a sunk ship with balloons

[lethal wren]

Took me years to fully realize the usefulness of a light antitank grenade

It 1 shot horses

[urban lark]

Damn

I’d love to get into the topic more but with this moderation idk anymore lol

[bronze portal]

talking about armaments is probably allowed but if it goes too much into the politics of things, then yeah they'll probably start throwing hands

[urban lark]

True

[lethal wren]

Probably why the Republic of Korea Armed Forces had its HQ in Gyeryong instead

[bronze portal]

correct. gyeryong was just the best place to have all 3 branches united in an HQ

[violet dune]

It is set upright since June 1st or 2nd and is not fully equipped ship to begin with as such is done later on like they have done with 1st in class.
What contributed to 2nd one having failed hull launch was due to being made at shipyard that focused on civilian ships.
Though that one also did not make large ships since 1980's hence the debacle, also considerably worse infrastructure than one made in other one.

Also different launching method between 1st one that is on west coast and 2nd launched on east coast. Nampo v Chongjin.

Unsure if Najin on east coast also makes it or will it do a cruiser.

[violet dune]

North Korea stated it as Choe Hyon class multi-purpose destroyer, anti submarine, anti-air, anti-ship and land attack. Truly jack of all master of none.

[lethal wren]

Eh to me it seems like the ROK exists not only to protect SK, but hold out long enough for external intervention

If Seoul gets flatten, so will the rest of Pyongyang

It won't be dealt with by some cheap MLRS either

[bronze portal]

idk these like detailed info, since i was just a conscript that had to do the service because i was unfortunate enough to be born a korean male

but based on my experience there, it just seemed so unlikely that these dudes would pose any massive threat

always felt bad for them tho. 10 years of forced service from 14-24

just sounds like a nightmare

[lethal wren]

Not to be sexist but you could be even less unfortunate to be born otherwise

As a fellow Asian speaking

I know for sure it isn't easy for women over there

[bronze portal]

okay maybe that statement could be really misunderstood

if i delve too deep into this it gets ugly so we should pause here

back to some bf talks ya know

[lethal wren]

Nah you're good I'm just playing

[violet dune]

Pyongyang is three times further from border than Seoul. 120km vs 40km. So you can not even get decent focused saturation attack with unguided rockets.

[bronze portal]

rough times for everyone though. can't disagree on that

[lethal wren]

Yeah so the solution is some flying things called B-2s

[violet dune]

Both men and women have conscription there.

[lethal wren]

It's expensive but it gets the job done

[violet dune]

Did not really show that well in Yemen.

[lethal wren]

By the way, for some reasons I tend to encounter more South Koreans on Discord than Japanese people

Not really sure why

[violet dune]

Because American influence is greater.

[lethal wren]

I guess, but I've seen even more Malaysians than I do Japanese people

Its odd

[violet dune]

You won't see Japanese person waving American flags unlike South Korean one, especially among far right when compare them.

[bronze portal]

yeah i thought it was like highly suggested for women, but it's only been a few years since I found out its mandatory

idk man i wouldn't greet the country that dropped two suns if i was on the receiving end

[lethal wren]

Well, considering what happened to Korea and China during the world wars, it might as well be justified

[violet dune]

English is lingua franca and Malaysia is multi ethnic society, almost like Singapore so their English proficiency is quite high.

My GF sounds like an American lol.

[bronze portal]

you'd probably be better off finding groups on Line lmao, they love that app

i mean tbf koreans have their Kakao

[lethal wren]

It's like my encounters with Germans are more usual than maybe French people

[violet dune]

Agreed and that was indiscriminate as many Korean forced laborers were there too.

[bronze portal]

yeah japanese occupation of korea

not a good time

[violet dune]

French government is very protective about their language so French in general do not know or have poor proficiency of English.

[bronze portal]

the elderly here, i'd say at least 70 percent resent them to this day

[violet dune]

Justified.

[lethal wren]

The people there when I first try to converse in chat: https://youtu.be/x8PpR_bDGO8?si=PrgoUVX28Slpdy8R&t=83

[bronze portal]

simple really. JP-line KR-Kakao CN-Whatsapp/Wechat

[violet dune]

lmao

[lethal wren]

I guess its just a matter of do X country speak English at lot

[lethal wren]

It's rather ironic that the only foreign country I've been to is Japan

Had a great time there, everything was clean and the AQI isn't above 200 for once

[bronze portal]

i'd say a good 3-40 percent of Koreans visit japan at least once

[lethal wren]

3-40 is a wide margin

[bronze portal]

i don't have like the statistics, but definitely many koreans go there

please do not take everything in the literal sense LOL

[lethal wren]

Likely due to the fact that Japan is culturally most similar to Korean from an outsiders perspective

That isn't... China

[bronze portal]

i didn't learn a lick of japanese, and I had no issue during my trip there for about 10 days

[unique basalt]

Is autoloading 8 .35 or Mondragon Storm better?
Bf1

[lethal wren]

The Mondragon Storm is probably better if you aren't used to rapid firing low capacity guns

Otherwise the Auto 8 .35 is a lot of fun to master

[unique basalt]

Thanks, last question is obrez worth trying or nope?

[bronze portal]

great sidearm

[lethal wren]

Worth trying, but there are considerations on what role you're using for

It takes a long time to deploy and is the definitive skill cannon of a sidearm

Try to see if you like it, if you like something that packs a punch but is more reliable then maybe one of the scout exclusives like the Mars or Bodeo should be nice

I'm an M1911 guy usually

@bronze portal Which BFs is your favorite?

[unique basalt]

Thanks again, i bought Mars but haven't tried yet ill give it a try

[lethal wren]

The gun itself was rejected from military service partially due to the sheer recoil during trials

This is reflected in the game, somewhat, takes some time to recover from the recoil

[bronze portal]

ooh... that's a tough question

[lethal wren]

Don't tell me its the one with Korea in it

[violet dune]

EA/DICE dropped ball like everyone else is, avoiding Korean War. lol

[bronze portal]

i don't think there's a BF title with korea involved at all

[unreal solstice]

Honestly I played the fucking beta of Battlefield 6 and I was like what the hell they made Why the hell does Battlefield need to learn Cod's P10

[bronze portal]

but to answer your question, i'd have to say BFBC2 was my favorite

[violet dune]

BF4 had Pyongyang map IIRC thats it.

[bronze portal]

followed by bf3,bf4

[unreal solstice]

Can't we discuss Battlefield 6 here?

[bronze portal]

bf1 until they destroyed the game with terrible decisions

[violet dune]

It is simply titled Battlefield and not Battlefield 6.

Ask the admins/mods to make BF6 channel then :p

[lethal wren]

There's a map called Propaganda in BF4, it's based on Pyongyang

[violet dune]

That one yeah.

[bronze portal]

ye propaganda

i'd just kill for a BFBC3

bad company 2 was basically the reason why i started playing games

the legendary shoulder fired nukes called gustav

the infinite range neostead slug rounds

[lethal wren]

I like how they added a DLC with my country in it

[bronze portal]

VN?

[lethal wren]

One of the few semi modern Vietnam games

[bronze portal]

not a big fan of milsims but Red Orchestra was a really fun VN war game i played

[violet dune]

Rising Storm 2: Vietnam

[bronze portal]

yeah it was an expansion i think

[violet dune]

No.

[lethal wren]

Historically it's a significant war, but the firearms and equipment aren't unique enough to make a multiplayer game based on it

[bronze portal]

wait nah it was a separate game

[bronze portal]

m16 ak47.... uh....

[violet dune]

Rising Storm was focused on Pacific War and then expansion had added Red Orchestra.

[bronze portal]

not much i can muster aside from some ww2 era weapons

[lethal wren]

They didn't exist in the Korean War

[violet dune]

AK47 did exist just not deployed there. Then was hush hush secret weapon for Soviets.

[bronze portal]

thought you meant vietnam war lol

[lethal wren]

Yeah they existed elsewhere

[bronze portal]

i have a soft spot for the dp-28

the dinner plate mg

[lethal wren]

So, do you like the Lewis machine gun?

[bronze portal]

in bfv yeah

bf1 nope

[lethal wren]

Why

For general use, it's the best gun the support class gets in BF1

[bronze portal]

despise the irons on it

and the aa sight looks wonky as shit

if i want to use a low rpm ranged lmg i'd just use the 1917 or a huot

[lethal wren]

The suppressive version has more ammo and an optic sight

[bronze portal]

yeah mg15 exists

[lethal wren]

The mg15 was my first go to LMG, but it's accuracy means mid to long range is going to suffer... the Lewis, although requiring one more bullet is FAR more accurate, the bipod is almost optional and the sight is perfectly useable in the suppressive variant

[bronze portal]

never liked the support playstyle much

i usually prefer assault or medic

sometimes scout

i rarely pick support

[lethal wren]

If I were to invest in a closer range LMG then I might as well invest all my chips into something with a higher firerate or more damage

Such as the Burton or BAR

[bronze portal]

lmg08

14/17

[lethal wren]

Otherwise the IMG and Parabellum does the job close up pretty well

[bronze portal]

support is just an insufferable class in bf1

[lethal wren]

It's the easiest class to play for new players

[bronze portal]

they butchered any form of skill expression in that game

mechanically speaking, bf1 is a piece of shit

it's meant to be more of an experience rather than a game

[lethal wren]

I like it

[bronze portal]

hey if you like it, you like it. im not gonna bash you for having a different view

[lethal wren]

I like to play medic the most despite having a lot of more time with Support there

[bronze portal]

i come back to it every so often

although i last maybe 3 games at most before i get tired of the cheese spam in that game

mortars, suppression, bombers, sweet spot just to name a few

oh and gas nades

[lethal wren]

Remember to press T

[violet dune]

1st combat use of SKS carbine and KPV heavy machine gun was during Korean War. Of course MiG-15 and plethora of early American fighter jets. Also some ground vehicle like M46 Patton. Vietnam War also had plenty of world war 2 equipment. shrug motion

[lethal wren]

I remember destroying an offensive push with the Tankgewehr on Empires edge

Everyone left ammo for me in that fortress

[lethal wren]

Yeah but the difference is Vietnam has every Korean era weapons and more

The war itself was mixed with cold war firearms technology along with ww2 weapons

RS2 really demonstrates that

[wraith perch]

I can’t wait to play the new battle royale mode!

The new battlefield not only looks like a triple a game it looks like the king of triple a games. This game is going to make its mark continuing to be one of the best first person shooters ever ! By far!

WarZone should be shaking in their boots. Cause Godzilla has just awoken!

[unreal sierra]

Ehhh
Battle Royales have really dropped in popularity in recent years for a reason
Just… unnecessarily repetitive
And not very Battlefield-esque

[runic charm]

fr. Fire Storm was pretty fun at its peak though tbh

[urban lark]

[wary arch]

do not let bro become a mechanic

get him away from cars

[urban lark]

I can’t really think of any BF I’ve played that wasn’t casual friendly besides maybe V

They’re all super ez video games. BF4 “movement tech” doesn’t count for anything either, so

[pearl hawk]

Ok but fr tho, BF1's collision system is the worst I've seen in any game
Maybe it's ping related, but you cannot vault over walls, fences and even rocks without being either stuck or in a looped anim
And god forbid you move an inch while prone in a corner

[urban lark]

Yeah that’s an actually valid complaint that dice never ended up fixing for some reason

I mean it’s not like super duper common but it’s certainly not rare either

[wary arch]

it comes down to engine mostly i think

[bronze remnant]

Don’t forget being forced into prone when trying to vault half the time

[wary arch]

frostbite hasn’t been updated in forever

[pearl hawk]

Oh god, that's the fucking worst

esp when you try escaping from a trench

[bronze remnant]

If bf1 didn’t have top tier graphics/sound/immersion it would compete for worst battlefield lets be real 😆

[wary arch]

i’ll stand by bf1 having some of the most satisfying gameplay

[edgy brook]

Hi

Hi guys, are there any sources about the return of Battlefield Hardline?

[inland pumice]

bruh, try arma 3 💀 💀 💀

you clip another car and you get shot to the moon

[pearl hawk]

yeah I did experience arma jank

[inland pumice]

its led to some funny moments for sure tho

[pearl hawk]

second worst collision system for bf1 it is lol

[inland pumice]

if a tank is in a warehouse and you collapse it, they turn into these beautiful meteors flying accross the sky 😄

[edgy brook]

?

[pearl hawk]

lmfao yeah

[edgy brook]

Was what I said that confusing?

[reef wagon]

Highly doubt a Hardline 2 will ever happen

[noble rose]

bfv is the best. no one will agree and i dont care

[edgy brook]

I really hope so! Battlefield Hardline is a solid game, and if EA brings it back, it’s going to be a big success

[inland pumice]

im one of those weirdos who loved bf 2142

the futuristic one

man what a gem

[edgy brook]

Can you imagine? People are still playing this game even though it came out 11 years ago!

[inland pumice]

seems to be a trend nowadays

bf3-4, arma 3, sc2, witcher 3, gta 5, etc...

everyones sticking to the solid old titles

[edgy brook]

You mean it’s beloved and fun

Battlefield hardline

[mild scaffold]

If weapons aren't locked to classes we boycott

[noble rose]

most of us grew up with them i guess is the main reason

[inland pumice]

well also alot of the games coming out are terrible

battlefield being a prime example

[noble rose]

true

[edgy brook]

Does EA see all our messages now, guys?

[inland pumice]

i hope so

[noble rose]

i still love bfv

[edgy brook]

EA, please bring back the Battlefield Hardline series 💔

[unique basalt]

What's the best sidearm for every class in bf1 ?

[quiet arch]

g18

[uneven hollow]

Colibri

[teal fractal]

Theres barely any full servers on bf3

[teal fractal]

Auto revolver for medic, mk6 for rest

[viscid stag]

Hello! So I am finally getting around to completing the challenges in the different war stories for BFV, but the rewards aren't showing up

Just got the last challenge completed for Under No Flag, but the Cricket Bat didn't unlock

PS4, NA

Any advice?

[acoustic schooner]

Hi chat

[inland pumice]

no cats here bro

[acoustic schooner]

It's a dog

[solid hinge]

can the next bf just be bf3 and 4 combined?

[hearty rover]

@teal fractal where r u finding BF3 servers must be PC console servers are gone

@solid hinge I wish

[teal fractal]

On an extremely rare occasion theres like 1-3 full servers

[teal fractal]

Bf4 was literally an updated bf3

[hearty rover]

@teal fractal on Xbox?

[teal fractal]

Pc

Console is more than likely entirely dead

I can check

Nvm i cant gametools doesnt show pc/xbox/ps specific servers/playercount

[solid hinge]

im not cos am in aus, but i think people still playin on pc in NA/europe?

[teal fractal]

Not really

[solid hinge]

bf3 was xbox 360 and ps3 so yeah unlikely many console players left

shame those one never had bots added to pad it out

[hearty rover]

@teal fractal
I played the last BF3 xbox server games many months ago there was only 7 off us left to say goodbye 🥺

@solid hinge where in Oz I'm an old Hurstville in Sydney resident moved os many years ago

[solid hinge]

perth westtttsideeee aka worst pings eva 😎

spicy bimbus shout out to aus 2042 players especially SCOTTEWOODS

[hearty rover]

Ahh.. westie i never made it there or the any of the west coast, every other state but never WA

[solid hinge]

hahha yeah its a bit of a mish

[viscid stag]

Well, I solved my issue. Just needed to restart

[plucky sundial]

Combine BF3 and BF4 is a greaat idea🔥 🔥 🔥
Best Shooter games i have ever played❤️

[solid hinge]

wish there had been more legacy maps added to 2042

[limber heart]

I’m going to crash out if I see another post saying the reveal trailer is going to be during the Xbox showcase

It makes no sense

Unless dice pulls a respawn entertainment

[stray kayak]

i think the signs point to a later reveal, maybe next weekend

[solid hinge]

Summer Game Fest June 6
Xbox Showcase June 8
Battlefield 6 Copium

[red rose]

Where's metro map right

[solid hinge]

^^^^^^^

[stray kayak]

but why wouldn't the bf account mention it, or will they bring it up on that day?

[fresh hemlock]

Why was BF4 so perfect 😩

Humanity has passed its peak

[tall haven]

bf4 was/is average

weird fetishism amongst new gen bf players

[robust urchin]

For me personally, BF Bad Company 2 was the best. Metal Storm was my favorite map

[quiet arch]

damn

[random blade]

All bf games the best

[quiet arch]

battlefield companion is now officially broken broken

[random blade]

Each do something good

[random blade]

Yeah, so sad cause that was so fun to use

[quiet arch]

now i cant make my emblems

[random blade]

Being in the common room planning out loadouts for the day… was great

[quiet arch]

i mean

[teal fractal]

What

[quiet arch]

it was buggy and stuff

but the emblem editor was okay

and it's the only way i can use to create emblems

and now it's broken

[random blade]

Not that hard to understand

[quiet arch]

the app. entirely

[random blade]

I remember it just wouldn’t work at all several years back but was it still partially functioning up until now?

[quiet arch]

yea i used it last year and kinda stopped playing for a long while

came back to change my emblem and the app wouldnt open now

keeps crashing

recent reviews also have this problem soo

app is very much dead dead

[fresh hemlock]

Facts

Was a whole gaming experience

Probably wasn't the best one but man to have that again

[tired thunder]

no other game to this day have replaced its standards of vehicle combat. but sure it was average

[tall haven]

hilarious comment, thanks, vehicular combat? 🥹🤧

bf4 was a bloated piece of shit with surface deep mechanics

and probably the worst gun gameplay of the series

[stray kayak]

as arcade shooters all BF games have surface level mechanics, some people are just deluded

[summer spire]

Anyone up for Firestorm tonight?
Warzone is shit, but Firestorm servers are usually empty.
If we coordinate, we might fill a lobby.
How about 20:00 Stockholm time?

[stray kayak]

bf4 glazers trying to explain how their gunplay with minimal recoil and a bunch of spread (counteracted by bursting) is somehow better than that terrible game bf1 and it's terrible gunplay with minimal recoil and a bunch of spread (counteracted by bursting)

Firestorm is instantly a great time with friends if you group up with as many friends as possible and all wear a recognizable outfit. Then you destroy the few random ppl in the lobby without that outfit

[summer spire]

Yeah but even solo mode is dead now

Thats why im looking for ppl ready to hop on at 20:00

[stray kayak]

not even a few people at all? That sucks

[summer spire]

Yeah

[stray kayak]

Come to think of it, organizing Firestorm comp matches would be stupidly easy

[summer spire]

I will spam some more messages when it comes closer

[stray kayak]

yeah the actually getting players part is the worst part, best of luck

[quiet arch]

o7

[fresh hemlock]

Which BF do you prefer

[tired thunder]

rage bait comment. ty

[tall haven]

BF2 and BF5 probably the culmination of their respective eras

[teal fractal]

Gunplay in 4 was good though

[tired thunder]

and i was talking about vehicles and guy go straight to gunplay

[fresh hemlock]

Breh

[tall haven]

I don't know what there is to like about BF4's gunplay, it feels shitty and counter intuitive

[tired thunder]

sure it is related to vehicles

you know, "no recoil" can help you to fly helis

[tall haven]

vehicles were nothing special in bf4 compared to previous entries, if anything they felt worse

but you were probably 10 years old so what would you know

[tired thunder]

tell me you never played with vehicles without telling me you never played with vehicles

[stray kayak]

I like BFV vehicles, but i know ppl don't

[tall haven]

BFV definitely the best vehicle wise

[tired thunder]

[tall haven]

the game received hate for no reason, just a massive overreaction to a trailer

[tired thunder]

you dont even have proper speed control

would love to have so much spare time to spit shit takes like this on the internet

[tall haven]

don't worry when you grow up and play more games you will gain a better perspective

[tired thunder]

sure mate

https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/soldier/mmmarttt/vehicles/1845888763/pc/

same name for every bf since bf3

but this isnt enough game i guess

[tall haven]

well did you play Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Vietnam, Bf1942, Desert Combat, Codename Eagle?

Special mention to battlefield Vietnam vehicles

[stray kayak]

Idk they all have different qualities I like, I played BF1 the most though but that was probably because i just had lots of free time. Probably would have played BFV a lot more if the live service content was better and more consistent

[tired thunder]

ah yes the great titles when clinton was the president

[tall haven]

We got BF5 robbed from us from stupid complaints

[tired thunder]

the great titles with outstanding sales numbers
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Battlefield

[tall haven]

it's as if the video game industry has been steadily growing for 30 years

absolutely clueless

[tired thunder]

so the better mechanis existed when it was mom and dad business. i see

[stray kayak]

BF6 will sell more than any previous title solely because of this

[tired thunder]

any screenshots of your vehicles stats from rock era titles? wanna see something up

[tired thunder]

mine is up there

[tall haven]

Many such cases

Even failures sell more than their previous entries with marketing power

[teal fractal]

why

minimal recoil, spread decrease, spread increase, decent ttk

[tall haven]

More spread than recoil is a horrible feeling and makes it difficult to tell what's going on

[tired thunder]

just micro burst?

[teal fractal]

you can play bf2042 lol no spread is pretty cancer to have

spread adds skillceiling aswell

and bf games have never had a heavy mechanical recoil mechanic

its a run and gun game if you are very excessive on the recoil it just destroys the pacing of a run and gun game

[tall haven]

BF games have never been defined by their gun mechanics

[teal fractal]

i wouldnt mind more recoil but spread is just neccessary to have to even out engagement distances

[tall haven]

But recoil is a better way to do weapon handling with ballistics and damage drop off

[teal fractal]

didnt work very well in 2042

[tall haven]

spread in little amounts but ultimately if you're on target you should hit

Worked fine in BF5

[teal fractal]

you do

[teal fractal]

bf5s gunplay was complete horseshit what are you on lol

[tall haven]

And that's the self report

[tired thunder]

he loves random recoil patterns

[teal fractal]

random spread that converts into recoil = random recoil

[reef wagon]

[tired thunder]

aim decoupled of the center and etc

[teal fractal]

and your weapon isnt even tied to screencenter

your bullets go whereever the gun is pointed towards

(lol)

[tired thunder]

but it was perfect according to him

snake buddy mind sharing your btv stats?

[reef wagon]

if we're gonna be saying what the best gunplay of BF was
Hardline takes the number 1 spot

[teal fractal]

bf3,bf4, bfh, bf1 had the same mechanics pretty much

[reef wagon]

hardline does not feel like bf4 or 1 🤨
the spread was less aggressive than bf4, so you can shoot a bit longer before having to reset
bf1 gunplay is quite bad with all the visual clutter and garbage affecting spread too much

[tall haven]

Funny how you approve one skill ceiling mechanic but another isn't ok

[teal fractal]

you cant master a random recoil pattern because you dont know the recoil pattern

lol

[tall haven]

You don't seem to really know what you want

bf5 literally has seeded recoil patterns

I played enough stg44 to know and it literally is one of the features pre release that made me excited for it

[teal fractal]

yeah the spread migthve been + - but it still had spread decrease/increase

[reef wagon]

i know, but it wasn't as annoying having to micro burst as much as in bf4

[teal fractal]

pre release bf5 gunplay is very different to current

[teal fractal]

lol

[tall haven]

you're going to deny the obvious

[teal fractal]

how can it be seeded when your random spread is converted to recoil

its random everytime you fire your weapon

[tall haven]

typical battlefield conversation

[copper swan]

Yo guys do u Need a specific class for the Angel Sighting dog tag

[tired thunder]

rage bait farming. looks fuuuun

[reef wagon]

#screenshots-and-clips message
imma drop this comparison video of BF recoil (not including BF1 cuz i don't have it installed and can't be arsed to install it)

[tall haven]

It literally has seeded recoil patterns

it's factual

it's funny you criticize the slight randomness of it when you trash talk bf2042 for having laser accurate beams

[teal fractal]

Spread to Recoil Conversion
For fully automatic weapons in ADS (zoomed, or zoomed with a bipod for MMGs) fire, spread is translated into recoil for all shots following the first shot if the input to fire is sustained. While a shot is being fired, the position of the spread “roll” of the following shot within the spread cone is calculated, and the weapon’s point of aim will move towards that calculated position. Traditionally calculated vertical and horizontal recoil is applied on top of this. While the recoil pattern itself is fixed and non-randomized, vertical recoil, horizontal recoil, and spread converted into recoil are imposed atop this system, creating a slight variance in the pattern, which increases with sustained fire with submachine guns and assault rifles. Note that recoil patterns cannot be isolated for accurate visualization.

[tall haven]

it accomplishes the same thing as the weak bf4 spread mechanic in a more intuitive and counter able manner

simply closer to peak than any prior battlefield

[stray kayak]

BFH x BFV gunplay

[tall haven]

If you play at your weapon's designed range you don't have to worry about that variance

[reef wagon]

that sounds like it would be quite bad
hardline or warsaw revamped (bf4 mod client that has updated gunplay) are the best options for BF gunplay imho

[tall haven]

What's the updated gunplay?

[limber bough]

Single fire is what makes bf5s gunplay somewhat not terrible

[teal fractal]

💀

i have 30% accuraccy 15% hs accuraccy and its pretty ass to aim because you legit never know if your weapon recoils vertically or horizontally

[reef wagon]

there's patchnotes somewhere, but essentially spread is slightly less aggressive and based on RPM of the gun (so lower RPM means less aggressive spread buildup and higher RPM means faster spread buildup)

[tall haven]

weak stats

[teal fractal]

nah

[tall haven]

hope you play mmg otherwise I'm sorry for u

[fresh hemlock]

Damn. All this from just me being nostalgic for BF4 lol

[teal fractal]

lol

[reef wagon]

i played a couple hours of the warsaw revamped tech test back in Jan? or was it last year? whenever it was, it felt much better than vanilla bf4

[teal fractal]

post your stats

[limber bough]

30% aint even bad for pc

[hearty rover]

@reef wagon depending on barrel weight and other add-ons should theoretically alter the spread too

[teal fractal]

good enough for me to get sub 3kpm 3kd

[tall haven]

marginal improvement, I guess it speaks for itself that most of the community doesn't enjoy the spread gunplay that much

[stray kayak]

BF4 and BF1 gunplay really isn't that different. Spread helps limit range and there's more spread as you hold down the trigger, so you must burst at longer ranges for your gun

[teal fractal]

stats?

[tired thunder]

www.bfvstats/mymadeupstats

[teal fractal]

id rather play a controllable spread than randomized recoil

[hearty rover]

@teal fractal wouldn't everyone

[stray kayak]

BFV was just converting the spread to recoil, so it's not like it didn't have spread lol

[teal fractal]

snake apparently thinks hes controlling randomized recoil

and think its better than controllable spread

[teal fractal]

ye spread that was random

so not only did you have weapon recoil pattern you had to control random spread recoil pattern

xd

[stray kayak]

Correct. Random spread is always here forever and that's ok. Super bouncy sights however are a head ache

[teal fractal]

random spread within itself isnt bad because you have spread increase and decrease the issue is with it being tied to recoil

[tall haven]

You read random and you think the entire thing is random

do you even understand what it is

[teal fractal]

clearly it is

post stats when?

waiting still

[tired thunder]

metoo

[teal fractal]

https://sym.gg/games/bfv/weapon-mechanics 🥱

[tired thunder]

sym website is hella good. almost forgot it exists

[teal fractal]

just play zk its the best example

[limber bough]

He ain't gonna post stats

[hearty rover]

@teal fractal damn I didn't even know it existed

[tall haven]

what now you're going to complain a smg can't be controlled to 100% accuracy at range

https://tenor.com/view/psp1g-what-gif-23713811

[tired thunder]

he is a troll. spitting random nonsense to rage bait you

[teal fractal]

it isnt about being able to control it at range lol

[stray kayak]

I think it's just been so long that ppl forgot how the bfv recoil mechanics worked. Of course it naturally went up like normal recoil, but the sights followed the random spread as well

[tall haven]

it absolutely is

[teal fractal]

its about not being able to control a weapon that you cant predict

at any given range

also stats?

[tired thunder]

but its immersion right?

[tall haven]

you can predict well enough to be accurate at a given range but not consistently beyond that

[teal fractal]

its random recoil you cant predict

stats?

[tall haven]

it's not that different from your slow tap firing in essence, you can't control that spread now can you

are you high

[tired thunder]

ok now drop your stats pls

[teal fractal]

it isnt about distance lol

stats?

[tired thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-of-nowhere-tumbleweed-desert-no-water-gif-12085928

[teal fractal]

like yes its obviously there to limit the distance of engagement distances and you can fire slower to decrease amount of spread = decrease recoil but the thing is about for example target to target switching where each time you fire the recoil is entirely different

you cant control a recoil that you cant predict because you dont know if itll be horizontal, you dont know if its going to be vertical

[tall haven]

Your obsession with stats is interesting

[teal fractal]

i just want to see your crazy aim accuraccy

[tall haven]

I have a superior k/d and accuracy, that's for sure

[teal fractal]

stats?

[tall haven]

on probably any shooter game

[teal fractal]

doubt

stats though?

[tall haven]

and I don't consider myself that amazing

[fresh hemlock]

[stray kayak]

I don't think the BFV spread to recoil mechanic is bad...until you equip a high rof gun

[tired thunder]

bro just drop your stats. it isnt hard

[tall haven]

Usually those are meant for closer ranges so it is fine

if people wanted to beam at range they had options

[teal fractal]

no actual good player would want random recoil

[tall haven]

no actual good player would want spread like bf4

[teal fractal]

why

[stray kayak]

it's just eye cancer. Honestly I think the recoil should have only followed the spread to an extent so it wasn't so awful of an effect on high rof stuff

[tall haven]

one of those is more true than the other

[teal fractal]

why would you not want controllable spread

[tired thunder]

?

[tall haven]

For bf5 they obviously really wanted to keep the weapon pointed towards where the bullets go, and with spread (which you want in the game btw) they had to compromise

[stray kayak]

you control the recoil like you control the spread. It's a conversion, but it only changes visually

[teal fractal]

atleast your weapon is screen center tied and your original point of aim isnt driven off by random recoil mechanics

[tall haven]

that's a fair point yea

they could have worked to smooth out the curve

[stray kayak]

trying to screen center is really only necessary if you're using an external screen dot, which you shouldn't do

[tall haven]

I genuinely think a seeded pattern with some variations that keep you from consistently beaming at any range while leaving a high skill ceiling

[teal fractal]

its muscle memory tbh

[tall haven]

is a good mechanic

[teal fractal]

i dont even look at screen center i just look at target and shoot

[stray kayak]

it could have been a ratio depending on the rof, low rof entirely follows, high rof doesn't

[teal fractal]

yeah like controllable spread

[stray kayak]

i just move around my eyes gg ez

[teal fractal]

you look mid screen anyway and being fixated on where your crosshair is placed is a pretty bad habbit imo

i think the custom xhairs people use is just pretty much placebo

a bad player wont really improve from it and a good player doesnt really need one

[stray kayak]

first shot is always in the middle minus sway

[tall haven]

I don't know how you can think it's placebo when it can do things like eliminate visual recoil

[teal fractal]

it doesnt eliminate visual recoil?

[tall haven]

The Finals was extremely advantageous to play with a crosshair before they fixed the visual recoil

as an example close ISH to battlefield

[teal fractal]

you still have visual recoil its just that instead of your ads shaking and causing visual clutter your screen centered dot is in one place

visual recoil still happens

and you dont need it lol

[limber bough]

It helps if it's purely visual

[teal fractal]

i cant imagine a good player really getting an advantage over it

[tall haven]

it helps to have a clear static marker of where the bullet goes rather than have to rely on muscle memory to forget that the ADS isn't correct

[teal fractal]

for a bad player maybe if he doesnt understand the mechanic but idk

being hyperfixated on crosshair is just not good

[tall haven]

well I guess we'll never know why pro players use crosshairs since apparently they don't need it

[teal fractal]

bf1 is a pretty crazy on visual recoil, never used a dot and i play 4-5kpm 4kd in that game

[limber bough]

If we are talking games like CS there's a wide range of crosshairs used

[teal fractal]

cs pros can still play without crosshair probs

[limber bough]

Oh definitely

[teal fractal]

you dont really look at crosshairs when you shoot you just look at target

so you aim with muscle memory anyway

its more of just there if you need a correction but idk just point target and click

what you ideally want is reactive aim of where you see a target your hand just naturally follows on

its more of a beginner thing where they have to think more of about how they aim and how much did they overcorrect, if they tracked properly, had bad corrections, where the crosshair is placed at

even with actual guns you actually dont really look at the red dots or the iron sights you just look at target

[tall haven]

Do you think a good player will perform the same with and without a crosshair? snapping, compensating recoil, tracking, all these at once

don't say yes I plead

[teal fractal]

maybe extremely slightly worse but im pretty certain a good player can be extremely accurate without it

[tall haven]

so no

[teal fractal]

not much no

[stray kayak]

Stuff has to get done to make BF gunplay look good, as it's really lagging behind CoD MW in that aspect. A version of the BFV recoil systems is probably the easiest to use since it's already been developed and looks rather nice (if you aren't using the high rof guns)

[teal fractal]

i can test it tbh im pretty certain i can aim fine without it

[teal fractal]

id reuse something between 2042, 4 and 1

2042 having visual suppression which is much better than mechanical suppression

4 not having crazy visual recoil and 1 having a fairly decent spread decrease/increase mechanic

[tall haven]

BF1 is such a dumbed down gunplay

[stray kayak]

2042 gunplay is very visually bland and static. 4 and 1 are outdated compared to the stuff CoD does to make it look satisfying when you fire

[tall haven]

most casual bf to date, next to Battlefront

[teal fractal]

its the same as 4 except 1 has pretty crazy screen clutter

[teal fractal]

ye

[teal fractal]

ngl cod has a lot of clutter

[stray kayak]

random spread, more spread while trigger is held down, less spread when burst. This is correct

[teal fractal]

and im not talking about like recoil or anything like that with 2042 but more of just the visual suppression

i think visual suppression is the best way to have suppression in the game without it creating a bf1 situation where you cant aim when youre being shot at

[winged sable]

Then all weapons should 1 shot anywhere on body.

No, I do not read backlog.

[stray kayak]

im more thinking about how your gun moves/reacts when you fire. BF is lagging behind a lot compared to other games when it comes to this, and it's an important factor when it comes to making the gunplay feel satisfying

[teal fractal]

cod is very heavy on visual recoil

[stray kayak]

it's probably the main reason ppl like the bfv gunplay, the guns react nicely in first person (excluding high rof stuff lol)

[teal fractal]

its like bf2042 if it had bf1 tier visual recoil

[teal fractal]

from a visual aspect, yes it does look cool that your weapon is just flying everywhere but from a gameplay aspect its just not very great

[stray kayak]

visual recoil isn't a bad thing as long as it mostly bounces back and doesn't stray far from the actual recoil

[teal fractal]

it entirely depends yes

i think bf1 tier visual recoil is way too much

a lot of players confuse it for mechanical recoil

ive coached a few battlefield 1 players that never knew about visual recoil and they tried tracking with the visual recoil

[stray kayak]

MW19 visual recoil is really satisfying, not saying i like their actual gunplay mechanics

[teal fractal]

so it can be extremely misleading

[stray kayak]

Parabellum Telescopic

[teal fractal]

your average player wont really know or hear about what the gunplay mechanics are like

[stray kayak]

visual recoil should push back, real recoil should push up and sideways

[teal fractal]

i also think thats why people like bf5 gunplay because they actually dont really understand the mechanic

they dont really look at how their weapon recoils they just know that it does and "looks good" to them

also if you add visual recoil then like in bf1 the higher fovs decrease the visual clutter so your settings play a much bigger role and a lot of players im pretty sure dont really fiddle with their ingame settings

so theres like some very niche advantages you can gain over a lot of players

[winged sable]

Visual recoil is neurodeficent in video games.