battlefield-legacy-titles

[alpine edge]

you gotta play Squad or something these days to get properly issued kits

[swift sigil]

I think that ARs, LMGs and sniper rifles should always be locked to their classes. You can distribute other types as you see fit

[digital orbit]

exactly

in a game about organisations where the individual ceases to exist

the irony

[alpine edge]

I don't see how that's different to all kit weapons in BF4

(from a purely gameplay perspective)

[swift sigil]

I don't mind certain weapons being available to all classes. But these 3 types are important to keep that way imo. BF1, and BFV went extra step by making all weapons tied to certain class (except pistols) which I didn't mind as long as these 3 types were certain class only.

[alpine edge]

I mean ARs and Carbines are a pretty arbitrary distinction

honestly it's kinda bizzare they exist in the first place in BF6

[swift sigil]

I don't remember exactly how carbines were in BF4, think they were somewhere in the middle between ARs and SMGs with range effeciency.

[alpine edge]

more AR than SMG

tbh they should've made a battle rifle class as well just for the sake it

[buoyant echo]

Locked weapons also make classes less all rounded and be picked less. Which is important, you need to make a sacrifice when you can revive people or blow up vehicles. Assault should also have zero anti vehicle capabilities for that same reason.

The less all rounded a class is the more you need to rely on the team and not be a lone wolf

[solid hinge]

Are the spec requirements for the next bf out yet?

[buoyant echo]

Well back then there was a noticeable difference between the roles these weapons filled. With 2042 you have SMGs every bit as capable as ARs on the same ranges.

[alpine edge]

that's only the PP-29

[alpine edge]

the problem is people gravitate to the class that deals with infantry

having support and engineer pick rates tank would be bad...

[buoyant echo]

I would say that is actually fine. Vehicles feeling OP until the team steps up and swap class is part of the game. Same with support.

It creates depth and unique moments

[buoyant echo]

AC9 was kinda stupid at least when it first got added, obv not as sick ad the PP-29. But way too capable as smg

Don’t even get me started on the BfV hip fire smgs, so disgusting

[stable sedge]

AI generated pfp: opinion denied

[gusty frigate]

did you guys have a server about any BF1 tips?

[tropic folio]

smartest battlefield fan

[buoyant echo]

We want a good, fun and healthy game. Which means more good content and more new weapons which are inevitably OP

[granite wyvern]

Sorry, I don’t take people serious who use the phrase yall/y’all

[shy yacht]

thats a bit of a weird take, y'all is fairly standard colloquialism for americans

i think the most fun broken weapon was the underbarrel smoke launcher for the aug in bf3, there was a week where it used the bullet velocity of the aug instead of its normal grenade launcher one

sniping people across the map and seeing a smoke cloud pop up on their body was incredibly funny

very glad it was patched in a few days however

[random blade]

nice try

[buoyant echo]

Usas frag rounds in metro good days 💥

[unique basalt]

What's the best bf1 balanced settings between quality and performance for graphics?

[summer forge]

Ok yank

Spoken like a true casual lol

[summer forge]

And SCZ and PBX

[rigid hazel]

Remove assault from the game

Then you can add weapon Restrictions

[little edge]

Ye with ea play I know have em all

I got ea play cause I have xbox gamepass

[solid hinge]

Medium

[oblique pumice]

Annihilator trench underrated

[odd loom]

are we still talking about class locked weapons or have we moved onto bloom vs recoil

[unique basalt]

Only that?

[solid hinge]

Medium settings preset is a good inbetween

Other settings like motion blur and whatever don't really affect fps that much

Upto preference for those ones

[unique basalt]

Thanks for replying

[kindred sail]

well in that case, check and see which BF has more players, BF 1 and V will be easy to check since they got a server browser

as for 2042 it will be fine until midnight in EU after that it's hit or miss depending what mode you play

[drifting cedar]

Best way to find bf1 lobbies in 2025 for ps5? Someone help me out?

[worthy sapphire]

its not crossgen

i think

[summer forge]

Nope it’s not

[kindred sail]

server browser, press reset filter and under free slots select: none, 1-5, 6-10 and 10+

under full filter select region probably US and EU in your case

[drifting cedar]

How many lobbies usually are there on weekdays and weekends?

[mystic rain]

the labs test started?

[kindred sail]

I'm on PC so in my case servers are packed

https://graphs.gametools.network/d/9_smhoZVk/global-battlefield-titles?orgId=1&from=now-30d&to=now&timezone=browser&refresh=1h

mess around with the filters

[summer forge]

Over now

[mystic rain]

any ideas about the pre order?

[drifting cedar]

Damn that link lowkey mad helpful. Gonna try it tn. What are the minimal specs to run bf1 on pc

[summer forge]

Nope. They haven’t even announced beta yet. Everything is pre alpha.

[mystic rain]

oh ok

[steady lark]

"pre alpha"

[summer forge]

lol funny guy

[minor leaf]

BF6 reveal trailer 17th of June? 😄

[steady lark]

By the time they call it beta it might as well be fully playable lol

[summer forge]

Impatient much lol

[steady lark]

Didn't mention patience or anything lol

[summer forge]

It’s usually implied amongst adults lol

[steady lark]

It could release in 2 years time for all I care, not like there ain't anything to play

[kindred sail]

https://www.ea.com/en/games/battlefield/battlefield-1

[buoyant echo]

Really hope they can turn BF6 into a nice coherent Battlefield game, due to the hype from the play test decided to download 2042, but that was a massive mistake, lasted 10 minutes, the fact I got loaded into Haven didn't help one bit.

[sour prairie]

Have they said anything about changes to squads? Proximity based or more ppl to a squad?

[steady lark]

Wuh

[worthy sapphire]

no, 4 person squads and no proximity chat

[celest vector]

had to rma my monitor today so Im stuck at 1080 60hz and its painful after playing 4k 144. Might just buy another next week and sell my old one when it comes back

[halcyon lantern]

Hf adjusting to 60hz

Then being blown away again when ur 144 comes back

[celest vector]

hope so

I just signed up for the bf6 playtesting, dont know why I didnt do it when asked tbh

hoping its a decent game seriously hoping

[bleak nacelle]

anyone need a bf1 squad pc?

[noble hound]

Lets be honest. Bf6 will be the death of the franchise

[noble hound]

Squads should be 5 players. Should also be 5 classes

5/5 split

Its the only way

[worthy sapphire]

yeah well shit dude

[noble hound]

Meaning the total playercount should be divisible by 5. Maybe 70 or 75.

[worthy sapphire]

uhuh

[noble hound]

You mean shid

[worthy sapphire]

hopefully someone else will step in then ; )

[noble hound]

I say let it die

[worthy sapphire]

it wont die tho, it will sell because of the sheer fact that it looks better than 2042

when the reveal happens I SWEAR everybody will be saying battlefield is back

it WILL have a very short lifespan though, as intended

[noble hound]

Depends on how its done

And those people would be dumb. 2042s reveal was good

[noble hound]

Depends on how they support it

Knowing dice itll be badly

[worthy sapphire]

2042 got plenty of support despite arguably being shittier than V

[noble hound]

The support came in too late. They had to fix the actual game first

Remember, no scoreboard lmao

Also all the maps were horrendously designed

[tidal shuttle]

Not bf2042 launching with 5 guns 😭

[worthy sapphire]

dude it still gets updates

[tidal shuttle]

and it’s still ahh

[worthy sapphire]

V started getting good and then they ditched it completely

[worthy sapphire]

2042 fans like it so oh well

[noble hound]

2042s legacy will either be the game that forced EA to change their shit or the game that nailed the franchises coffin

[tidal shuttle]

ahh doo doo water field 2042

[noble hound]

No scoreboard was the biggest wtf moment

[tidal shuttle]

And no game chat like they aren’t being srs rn

[celest vector]

I still play V often

[noble hound]

Dont be sad, it just works out like that sometimes.

Worst UI in the series by far.

[celest vector]

deffo

worst game in the series

[noble hound]

I only played the beta. Worst beta ive ever witnessed

Immediately told me to not buy this game

[celest vector]

I bought it for 1 pound 67 would be livid if I'd paid full price for it

just realized I have no pound sign on my keyboard

[noble hound]

Huh

Its under the 2

[celest vector]

couldnt find an ISO keyboard I liked so had to build an ANSI one

@ is under my 2

[tidal shuttle]

I bought the game in hopes they would deliver with portal

Spoiler: they did not

[noble hound]

LMAO

Anyone remember Hazard Zone?

Probably the quickest death of a gamemode of all time

[celest vector]

yeah, had too google it though, the name was familiar. Probably placed it once maybe twice

[noble hound]

Imo, bf6 is going to be a stale experience. Dice is just gonna provide the bare minimum

[tidal shuttle]

deliver a solid game with bones . Add the slop later ie br, extraction hero shooter

[celest vector]

gunmaster was OK in the way that it forces you to try out guns you dont usually use, I started using the mtar after playing that

[jolly fog]

Enders called 2042 better than BF1

[noble hound]

Me when I lie

[tidal shuttle]

All he plays is 2042. He is gone lol

[noble hound]

Oh no, the shills are here

[celest vector]

2042 feels so wooden

doesnt feel like BF

[tidal shuttle]

I can’t name one good thing 2042 did

Besides teach them a lesson about taking classes out

Watch how fast people leave

[celest vector]

have they took them out in 6?

[tidal shuttle]

I’m talking about 2042

Idk what they’re doing in 6 lol

keeping myself surprised

[shy yacht]

i liked the attachment plus system in 2042 but i feel im in the minority for that

[tidal shuttle]

I’ll watch the trailer whenever it releases

[shy yacht]

the problem with it in 2042 was some of the attachments were just too good, if you had to select ur base attachments +1 more per slot that might have been better

[jolly fog]

Bro uninstalled and ended stream

[jolly fog]

Plus system is good, would not mind if it returned

[shy yacht]

me too

[lime aspen]

Does anyone want to help me get the MPX on BF4 Xbox series X? 😭😭😭 like 10 years late lmao only gun i need

Hyped for BF6 decided to play the classics been having fun

[shy yacht]

i liked being able to swap between a x1 and x3 optics on some guns

and x4 to higher on snipers, i never use high magnification scopes on snipers bc scope glint, but sometimes its nice to get extra zoom

swapping mag types refilling ur ammo was a little silly, supriused that was never patched out

[tidal shuttle]

I never thought they needed to change the attachment system from 3/4

[shy yacht]

3 was too basic, 4 did have some variety

[tidal shuttle]

just make attachments and their pros/cons transparent

[steady lark]

Don't worry, with assault you'll be able to have 2 guns

[tidal shuttle]

and have a test range to try them out before loading into a match

[shy yacht]

show me the raw stats in game though, i hate needing to to a 3rd party site to see numbers

COD did that right

[tidal shuttle]

with dmg and recoil patterns

[glass hearth]

I think everyone wants a Wing suit for this game

[tidal shuttle]

lmao

[shy yacht]

i would not buy into leaks too hard

[tidal shuttle]

I better not see no Sundance istg I’ll crash

[steady lark]

I played last weekend

[tidal shuttle]

Anything in the tests are subject to change

[shy yacht]

i would also not put any stock in pre-alpha stuff

[tidal shuttle]

nothing is official

when the beta comes out

[shy yacht]

the whole point of labs is to come up with a good system

[steady lark]

Watch it be

[tidal shuttle]

Then we can start fearing lol

[oblique pumice]

guys tell me peter survived

[tidal shuttle]

Bf1s system I didn’t like how you gonna have 5 of the same gun just with one different attachment lol

5 I wasn’t too excited for with the weapon tree

just let me put a gyat dang scope on

[steady lark]

What kind of attachments did you want in world war aside a bayonet

[shy yacht]

i guess bf1 was just bc they didnt feel like an attachment system made sense for the game

weapons werent really modular back then, so they just made a few varients

[steady lark]

Should of just pumped out every gun that existed at that period and call it day

But I forget this is an indie company

[shy yacht]

ur just a hater

😴

[steady lark]

Na I'm silly like this

[stray kayak]

next time u see that, assuming it still exists, it will probably be a lot more restricted. My guess is shotguns and maybe smgs only

[lilac tangle]

Hey I missed the last play test due to finals, go ahead and put up some lab servers this weekend

Thanks in advance

[finite mauve]

That's not how it works lol

[lilac tangle]

Yea go ahead and open it on up man…

[vivid nimbus]

When will the next playtest be?

[granite wyvern]

What? I don’t think so sir

[granite wyvern]

It will be when it will be

[clear parrot]

only DICE knows when the next will happen. Probably when the game reaches beta state

[unique basalt]

Bf1 is based on ww1 and bfv is based on ww2 ?

[lament topaz]

yes

[finite mauve]

Yeah no

There's gunna be plenty of them until then

They arent stopping until beta

[manic bronze]

Yall thinking bf6 is coming later this year? Or early next year?

[arctic rover]

hey guize what are the chances that 2142 multiplayer servers are still active?

[finite mauve]

This year

[manic bronze]

Man I hope so. Bf4 and 2042 just ain't scratching that itch

[narrow lance]

Secure Boot is required to play 2042 now? I would love to understand exactly how that helps EA/Dice/Battleye. I dual boot Linux as my primary because I'm not a fan of Windows Telemetry and now I'm unable to play the game since the recent update

[stray kayak]

Common Linux L

[celest vector]

maybe thats just for playtesters, not sure if you're referring to an open beta or not

*open playtest

[clear parrot]

I wouldn't be so sure about that

[celest vector]

few hours ago

[finite mauve]

Your source for there not being that much?

When there's been one every 1-2 weeks for like 2 months

[clear parrot]

cuz they are inviting people to get some feedback that's why they are doing it. They wanna get sure people like what they are cooking

[finite mauve]

Now im confused

Im saying how there will be tests still until beta

But you say we won't get anymore until beta

???

[clear parrot]

but I don't see it happening till beta...the state of the game won't change in 2 weeks

[finite mauve]

Brother

Did you not read what I said

They've been doing tests every 1-2 weeks for the past 2-3 months

You dont have any proof for your claim

There's going to be plenty of tests until beta

Beta isnt too close

It's not even alpha yet

Its pre alpha (alpha soon probably)

[stray kayak]

The winds seem to whisper that eventually Labs will go public

[finite mauve]

Yurr

[stray kayak]

My guess is alpha happens after the reveal, no idea what that will look like too

[finite mauve]

Reveal will be in June

[clear parrot]

well if it will be the way you say then it will be good for everyone who didn't had the chance to get a sneak peek

[stray kayak]

doesn't the ea play event still exist in some form?

[finite mauve]

Not sure

[finite mauve]

Labs came out like 2 months ago so its too soon

There going to be tests still

[stray kayak]

wasn't 2018 the last live event, before bfv?

[finite mauve]

Most likely soon or so they will finally stop with the stupid nda and open it

The cat is out the bag atp

Leaks happen every single playtest

Isn't really any reason for it to be nda

[stray kayak]

remove nda, have public test, doomers get drowned out. GG ez

[finite mauve]

Fr

[clear parrot]

NDA might stop after the official reveal trailer

[finite mauve]

True

TheCadWoman posted a picture and replied to their old post about her wearing a "SoonTM" shirt with battlefield behind it and a month June

June 2021

Which was 2042 reveal

[clear parrot]

but if we take a look at reddit, we can see that the features are all leaked 😃

[finite mauve]

And she replied to it with "Guess its time to get this shirt out again. 😏"

[stray kayak]

I figured that was just a joke, but i could be wrong. Everyone is assuming a June reveal. What may or may not be junk code has a date, with a later pop-up mentioning that date. I don't wanna get more specific tho, I like it here

[finite mauve]

Look at dms

[stray kayak]

We'll get official news eventually with the old "Tune in at this day and time for a look at the future of EA!"

[clear parrot]

it's definitely a realistic time window for a reveal trailer though... especially because of gamescom and summer game fest

[finite mauve]

Yup

Battlefield 2042s reveal was June 6th

Well see

[manic bronze]

Well after reading yalls comments and this stuff being PRE-alpha, doesn't that mean we have alpha, beta then open beta to get through? Seems like a lot for a this year release

[finite mauve]

Beta and open beta arent really different

But yes we have alpha then beta

[finite mauve]

Well alpha and beta was in 1 year for 2042 so

[manic bronze]

My only thinking is the labs testing is really helpful to them and will speed up certain processes

Idk I've never really been apart of an alpha or closed beta until recently

[stray kayak]

many people don't agree with it being pre alpha right now, as they say it looks much farther along. I say the devs can call it what they want

remember that we had a much longer dev cycle (fr this time)

[clear parrot]

yea it usually should because they know what people like and don't like far before the release. Makes it more efficient to develop the game.

[stray kayak]

the only problem is the hecklers shouting through the fence

[manic bronze]

Yeah like the everyone can use whatever gun. Seems like there was major blow back on that. And if they go back to it being class locked weapons, is that gunna break everything? Cause I have no idea how coding works lol

[stray kayak]

DICE most likely intentionally announced that a few weeks before the reveal to let the anger die down

It's already pretty much dead

[clear parrot]

it might have been just added because the class system isn't done yet... who knows... it's still pre-alpha though. Many people who played it forget about that.

Even a beta doesn't represent the full game

[alpine edge]

pre alpha just means we're using placeholder stuff still atp

[clear parrot]

yea

[alpine edge]

2042 had unlocked weapons but had like proper class locked weapons in some gamemodes

it wouldn't be too hard to change things coding wise

[stray kayak]

Looks like animations are the most unfinished category

[stray kayak]

imo with how it's currently fleshed out, it would be the most foolish move possible to lock guns. Especially if Assault had anything actually appealing to the masses, very bad idea

[clear parrot]

they haven't done any polishing to the game yet so I think nothing is really finished

[stray kayak]

Nothing finished but a large portion of the puzzle is done

[clear parrot]

true

I am definitely looking forward to see the reveal trailer... I definitely have a great feeling about this Battlefield

[stray kayak]

Yeah I hope they chose a banger song for it. Maybe some gameplay with the trailer too, to please the doubting masses

[alpine edge]

noticed the 417 was using the M5A3 reload, also they showed off a better sprint animation in destruction blog post

[alpine edge]

they need to nerf assault if they want to lock weapons...

[stray kayak]

God that gun model is beautiful, they all are. Hoping the animation quality matches

[clear parrot]

yea...I hope so too. I love Battlefield though. It's my favorite first person shooter.

[stray kayak]

Assault will certainly look different by launch with locked or unlocked guns, they'll definitely balance it soon. But when it comes to locked guns, the modern day Support is just flat out incompatible as well. It's just Medic with a different name, with ammo being reduced to a secondary task since most ppl never need it.

[alpine edge]

he was forced to use LMGs

we need attrition back 🤫

[alpine edge]

still kinda bummed they're doing the 2042 animation style instead of the one from the older games

[stray kayak]

Bring it back as stuff you can use in Portal. That way fans can flesh out the original dream in a more controlled environment (ban the cod kiddies from the server)

[alpine edge]

so true

hardcore servers with attrition

[stray kayak]

Playing Arma WCS has kinda made me understand the vague idea of what DICE wanted to achieve. The problem is that it's completely different from normal BF gameplay

[stray kayak]

Gotta go all in on attrition and lower infantry speed, easy to do in Portal. Wonder if squad leader only spawns would be smart

[alpine edge]

I just want SL to be special in some way...

[alpine edge]

if DICE deviated from the 3 formula any further they'd be mauled to death

[stray kayak]

Well ok in the attrition dream we can have squad leader only spawning. Gotta bring back the armor plates too as those were originally part of the plan

[alpine edge]

you know what sure

[stray kayak]

I forget who was the guy who came up with this, but I have no idea how he thought it was possible to replace normal BF gameplay with something entirely different and not get hated on. 💀

I see the vision though, we can carry it out someday

[alpine edge]

I see the vision

[stray kayak]

Alan Kertz, a bitterly hated man was behind it I guess

[alpine edge]

I really want a proper magazine system in core

[stray kayak]

yessss, toss mag on ground with short press, keep half empty mag with button hold

[alpine edge]

yeah something like that

it'd also keep extendo mags in check if it made you carry less mags than normal ones

[finite mauve]

Older games weren't really the best

Also the style isnt really 2042

Its new

Mag calming> Older battlefield reloads

[alpine edge]

mw19 everywhere 💀

[reef wagon]

plz no

[alpine edge]

you vill repack your magazine

[reef wagon]

no

keep that in arma and other games like it

[alpine edge]

also bring back height over bore

[finite mauve]

That's nit bad though, mw19 has some of the best reload animations in any game

My just complain becuase it has to do with cod

Even if the animation is good you still dont like it

I just got a 50 bomb

SAR is such an op rifle

Battlefield 4

[alpine edge]

they are good but I'm kind of sick of every viewmodel animator aping it

[finite mauve]

Lol true

[alpine edge]

animating details like the mag and bolt release is great

but ppl gotta chill on using mag palming

[manic bronze]

I lowkey liked the battlebit reload stuff. Then you could combine empty mags

[summer forge]

Well your comment about “y’all” said otherwise lol

[wary sigil]

one thing i think is VERY important for BF6 that nobody is mentioning and this likely wont be a thing but just in case

NO UPDATE REQUIERES RESTART
NO "Shaders compilation optimization"

it's 2025, not 2005, i am baffled by how cod's IW engine literally has you idle for like 10 minutes in the main menu while it installs the shaders on top of wasting a minute of your life by booting up, telling you the game needs to restart for the update, this should not be a thing in present year, and i HOPE it does not make it's way to BF6 or the "battlefield hq" thats inevitably coming, just don't.

[tidal shuttle]

Cod has its own issues

[wary sigil]

yeah i really just wanted to take out this frustration lol, i just hope it doesn't make its way to battlefield, specially with how promising labs seems to be

[granite wyvern]

I’m not from the states. (You do realise a world exists beyond it?)

[summer forge]

1. Didn’t know that
2. Very aware theres a world beyond the states
3. No need to be a pr#ck about it lol

[lament topaz]

I think the RAM and little bird need a nurf......... que the triggered

[granite wyvern]

Only one person being an obtuse prick

[lament topaz]

Lots of toxic people in this discord

[granite wyvern]

This Discord channel is fairly tame to be fair

[lament topaz]

True but still voice your opinion and your a POS loser who sucks and just needs to get good or quit BF.

[summer forge]

Bud I didn’t know where you are from. You the one who took clear offense at my assumption. Sorry for assuming.

[summer forge]

That’s the internet in general

[lament topaz]

Yep good thing im not a mod for this I would drop the hammer. The community doesn't need that crap keep it civil or bye bye

[summer forge]

Eh. I’m too Gen X for most of the modern Internet

[lament topaz]

The community doesn't need it regardless a person's age isn't an excuse to be a ass

[summer forge]

Everyone is an ass whether it’s acknowledged or not. Some (most) just don’t want to get over it

It’s the same irl with manual labor work vs non manual labor work

Although factory and warehouse work com a close second to manual labor

[lament topaz]

What if your an ass it's your fault not the world's fault. Call these people out. They have this idea that if their aggressive they will get their way

[steady lark]

Idfk what you b smoking echo but you're wired or smt

[summer forge]

Just means you be a bigger ass back to them

[summer forge]

Don’t smoke lol

[lament topaz]

By not giving in lol I am the ass ok

[summer forge]

Mostly it’s late, I’m tired, no filter 😂😂

[lament topaz]

I will be treated with respect or you can go plenty of people in world their not special

[finite mauve]

Chill

💀

[summer forge]

So you want upper class respect or genuine respect?

[lament topaz]

A person who thinks their. King shit is king of nothing

[steady lark]

Wtf then get off and sleep because this is just nonsense you b spouting

[summer forge]

Eh probably

Last thought for the night, respect is earned… not given out lol

[lament topaz]

Night man have a good one

[summer forge]

You too dude

[lament topaz]

Or you could respect everybody until they give you a reason to not

[digital orbit]

Being respectful as a general behavior is a bit different to personally respecting an individual though.

[digital orbit]

Like what?
Alaska?

Or is that a state? IDK man, best to keep to your own, you know what I'm sayin?

[arctic rover]

man i wish they made a continuation of 2142 ngl fr fr

[halcyon minnow]

anyone on bf1

[digital orbit]

Yeah 2142 was my fav, hands down

[winged sable]

Return to BF4; Movement Glitches included.

[teal fractal]

Return to bf1; no movement included

[alpine edge]

truth nvke

[unique basalt]

What's the best controls for bf1 plane on pc?
It's hard to use the mouse ngl

[long heron]

is there a bug fixing channel for bf5?

[arctic rover]

Pants are for losers

[tropic vortex]

It's funny looking at the current state of battlefield and this server

[proper ridge]

is bf5 dead on na? i cant find servers

[stable sedge]

Isn't it late in the na?

[proper ridge]

is 6 am maybe thats why

[oblique pumice]

Bruh battlefield died yesterday

Why does bfv have only 2k players?

[proper ridge]

it has 7k

[waxen loom]

Which game platform

[tropic vortex]

It died a long time ago

[oblique pumice]

Why do people still play it then

[random blade]

I can easily see at least 20 servers up for conquest

Not dead yet

[stable sedge]

"I don't play it so it's dead!!"

[mellow crater]

Anyone played battlefield hero’s

[minor ruin]

Lol no. That never stuck with anyone i don't think.

[teal fractal]

Bf5 has 230 players on eu rn💀

Bf1 has 717

Pc btw

Total player count is also roughly 2x with bf1 at 5k and bf5 at 2.7

Thats accross all regions on pc

[peak mountain]

Damn 💀

[stray kayak]

lack of crossplay certainly doesn't help. At the same time it's sorta indicative of the playerbase dying out overall. Shouldn't be a shock to anyone that DICE is trying to make sure new players enjoy the game

[summer forge]

Then you add the numbers for console (I know, truly disgusting)

[teal fractal]

Lack of crossplay helps a lot

Dont have to play with or against console players

🛌

[summer forge]

Y’all equally trash so it’s all good 👍

[peak mountain]

Is it confirmed if new battlefield will also be on old gen consoles or anything?

[teal fractal]

Nah

[teal fractal]

It wont be

[summer forge]

We’ve discussed this. NA PC just as trash.

[summer forge]

Just PS5 and such

[peak mountain]

Good

[teal fractal]

Ps5 and xbox series s/x are like what

6 years old now?

[peak mountain]

The old gen consoles definitely held back the performance and graphics Im sure

[peak mountain]

5

[teal fractal]

No sense to put a new bf game that wont run on older hardware from 2012/13

[teal fractal]

Nah

[summer forge]

The Pro just came out last year

[teal fractal]

Same platform still

[peak mountain]

I just hope the next one will be good

[summer forge]

I’ve played with PC players, theyre trash lol

[teal fractal]

Probs not

[peak mountain]

Judging by the gameplay it’s definitely way better than 2042

[teal fractal]

Nah

[summer forge]

How can you say nah when I literally said I’ve played with trash PC players 😂😂

[teal fractal]

Well yes obviously but its hard to be worse from a roller

[teal fractal]

Statistically wrong goofball look at leaderboards

💀

Also in what game? 2042?

Majority of players you play against are console

[summer forge]

I’m not looking at statistics jack@$$. I said my “personal” experience is PC are trash

I agree PC is better as a whole

[teal fractal]

Anecdotal evidence doesnt mean youre right

[summer forge]

But my God NA players can be horrible

[teal fractal]

You played 2042 or got a pc?

[summer forge]

You’ve even said yourself NA players are worse than EU players

[teal fractal]

Yes

[summer forge]

Bro I’ve had 2042 since launch 😂😂😂

[teal fractal]

Battlefield players ingeneral are bad

[teal fractal]

Okay but did you play bf5 pc or are you talking about 2042 pc players

[summer forge]

I was talking about 2042 because of the cross play comment 💀

[teal fractal]

Ye its majority console players

No wonder

And no one good cares to play that game anyway

[summer forge]

Majority of PC players I’ve been in a squad with end up waaaay down on the scoreboard compared to me

Which I find hilarious since I’m on a dreaded console lol

[teal fractal]

Why does scoreboard matter lol

Meaningless

[summer forge]

Not wrong, I don’t even wanna know how terrible their kd/kpm is

[teal fractal]

Some 2-16 player could farm supplies the entire match and end up higher up than me at like 100-10 it doesnt matter

[summer forge]

I’ve gone negative kd but had 15 caps so that’s so true 😂😂

Rephrase: PC outside of 2042 isnt trash

Is that more accurate 😂

[stray kayak]

i like this, i think this is a good thing

[rigid gazelle]

speak for yourself @teal fractal xD

[stray kayak]

more kills for meee and i don't have to try very hard to get them

At the end of the day a match loss doesn't matter so I try not to concern myself with that. I PTFO all the same no matter what

[summer forge]

This irritates me 😂

[tranquil dagger]

You’re literally in here every single time I open it up get a grip

[summer forge]

Can’t stand this mentality either but to each their own 👍

[summer forge]

You’re literally in the same Discord I’m in and it’s the internet. Get a grip

[small beacon]

it doesn't really matter like.. who cares if someone is incredibly good at a videogame 🤣🤣

[summer forge]

I do but I understand most don’t lol

[random blade]

Seeing someone better is just a fun challenge

[summer forge]

This

[tranquil dagger]

Cringe

[granite wyvern]

I like to play to win

[summer forge]

Truth

[oblique pumice]

What's the best bf multiplayer right now?

[summer forge]

Problem?

[teal fractal]

?

[summer forge]

1 and 5

[granite wyvern]

BFV

[oblique pumice]

Not 2042?

[summer forge]

Heck no. Far from

[teal fractal]

1

[oblique pumice]

What's more alive 1 or 5

[teal fractal]

1

[granite wyvern]

Worst BF ever made

[teal fractal]

Better than 5

Playable atleast

[granite wyvern]

BFV (on Xbox at least)

[summer forge]

V on PS

[stray kayak]

why would i let a loss get to me, when my effect on the outcome is so little?

[oblique pumice]

What's better for PC 1 or 5

[random blade]

If I hadn’t watched good players back when I started playing bf I probably wouldn’t be playing it still today. It was fun to watch and had me pushing to learn and play more

Simple as

[summer forge]

I play with friends so it’s a different impact. Haven’t run solo in years

[granite wyvern]

That’s not true, different players have different W/L ratios

[teal fractal]

It isnt

1726 players on bf1 xbox, 1500 on bf5 xbox

[granite wyvern]

I know players who play both and many more servers up on V to 1

[summer forge]

He has statistics and logic. You won’t win lol

[granite wyvern]

Source?

[random blade]

Counting server populations

[teal fractal]

Ps bf5 is more active than ps bf1, 2465 on 5, 2k on 1

[teal fractal]

Like any tracker that tracks servers and players within them that collects data of how many players are ingame

[granite wyvern]

Link to the one you are using

[teal fractal]

Gametools

Dude is so shocked that his favorite game has less players than other titles 💔

[random blade]

After playing titanfall 2 for so many years low player counts means nothing to me. If you can find a match, that’s good enough

[teal fractal]

Ye it doesnt even matter

[teal fractal]

Can we stop with anecdotal evidence

[summer forge]

Can we stop with strictly being logical

😂😂👍

[teal fractal]

Permanently talking out of their ass 🥀

[teal fractal]

Should i give you player counts that arent true just to cater what you want? Lol

Why should i lie or talk about stuff i dont know of

😭

[summer forge]

I mean, you’re not wrong. But your delivery of said information sucks just as bad as apparently my attitude in here 😂

[teal fractal]

Cry about it i dont care lol

[granite wyvern]

It shows BFV having more players on Xbox

[stray kayak]

I never said you have no effect, but you by yourself will not have a large sway on most matches since you are one out of 64p in the server. Some people are absolutely cracked and will have a largely different ratio, but most will hover somewhere around 50% W/L.

[summer forge]

Now that sounds more like me 😂

[teal fractal]

Then you dont even know how to correctly use the site

[summer forge]

This will always be the downfall of solo players in the big picture. Not saying solo is wrong but it shifts the mentality.

[teal fractal]

1599 3 in que 37 servers bf5 xbox, 47 servers 1726 players 22 in que 1 spectator bf1 xbox

Do i also need to give you screenshots?

Battlefield 1 Region status
Total
47 servers
1726 players
22 in queue
1 spectators
North America
36 servers
1450 players
22 in queue
1 spectators
Europe
7 servers
154 players
O in queue
O spectators
South America
3 servers
83 players
O in queue
O spectators
Oceania
1 servers
39 players
O in queue
O spectators
Antarctica
O servers
O players
O in queue
O spectators

If you want to be hyper specific

[summer forge]

Can’t argue with the man there 😂

[tropic vortex]

[teal fractal]

What is it with people bursting their own eardrums when no ones glazing their favorite game or it doesnt have higher numbers

Jesus christ dude no one cares

💀

[granite wyvern]

As always cherry picking your stats. What has highest peak in last few days?

[summer forge]

Pickle cares enough to be out here doing the lords work 😂👍💀

[odd loom]

What game are we glazing and hating today

[teal fractal]

Its current activity at this very second

[summer forge]

Apparently 5 and 1

[odd loom]

Is it 2042? A thousand curses for the bait and switch

[granite wyvern]

Answer the question.

[teal fractal]

Also its funny that you call me a cherry picker when i give you current information and you give me some overall statistic that doesnt matter

[odd loom]

Damn, rare take

[teal fractal]

Besides no one gives a living fuck about your past year statistics when its about current player count is higher

[odd loom]

5 has barely any gadgets which makes it... eh

[granite wyvern]

A stat from morning in US and afternoon in EU vs the highest peak over 24 hours?

[teal fractal]

Okay

Current is still higher on bf1

[stable sedge]

Imagine just enjoying what you enjoy

[teal fractal]

Also why are you comparing eu and us

[teal fractal]

?

Thats all regions

[stable sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[teal fractal]

I understand that i need to be sucking your toes snd spitting on your feet for playing battlefield 5 but no one cares man

[granite wyvern]

Go get a job

[teal fractal]

Its just a 200 player diff

[odd loom]

Why would anyone play 5 when 1 exists?

[teal fractal]

Idk

Neither are good

[stable sedge]

Just because it's not hyper modern doesn't mean it's bad

[teal fractal]

Where did anyone talk about timeline

Or the year of release

The game is bad because they have implemented mechanics that shouldnt have been put into any shooter game

Thats ontop of bad matchmaking and pretty terrible maps

[stable sedge]

Battlefield 1 is one of the best though lmao

[teal fractal]

Overhyped

[stable sedge]

For you yes

Doesn't mean it's bad

[teal fractal]

Can you tell me one thing thats actually good in bf1 and i dont want to hear you say “good graphics and very atmospheric 🤓 “

Because its something that really does not matter

[stable sedge]

The sniper gameplay

[teal fractal]

Garbage

[stable sedge]

Lmao

Say you just hate for the sake of it without saying it

[teal fractal]

Sweetspot + scouts being able to do 60-99 damage to the body without sweetspot in a game without movement

[odd loom]

1 has satisfying gunplay and feedback

[teal fractal]

Doesnt make sense shouldnt have been a thing keep crying stay bad

[teal fractal]

Gunplay is good yeah

[stable sedge]

You're literally the one crying about how bad it is lmao

[teal fractal]

But thats also something that pretty much crossed over from 3 and 4

[odd loom]

Explosions are punchy and it really feels chaotic in a good way when you're in a firefight

[teal fractal]

Im not crying about it

Im saying its bad because its bad

[stable sedge]

Sounds like it

[odd loom]

Explosions are way punchier than 3 and 4

[teal fractal]

Give me 1 reason to why its a good mechanic thats not ultimately broken

[odd loom]

Which mechanic?

[teal fractal]

Sweetspot

[stable sedge]

Why should we explain things for you when you're the only one disliking it here and refuse to elaborate

[teal fractal]

Its the only game in the entire series that has had it

[teal fractal]

I elaborated my reasons

Go on tell me 1 reason to why its a good mechanic

A balanced mechanic at that

[odd loom]

TIL that existed

[stable sedge]

Don't even know why it is, just know it feels good 🤷🏻‍♀️

[odd loom]

What's the problem, is it abusable because the range with a ohk is too wide

[stable sedge]

That's all that matters

[teal fractal]

Clueless

[stable sedge]

Lmao see?

[shy yacht]

is console that bad, theres about 10k ppl on Steam alone playing bf1 on pc

[teal fractal]

Theres a lot of issues with it
1- PTFOing, since players will try to hold certain distances for sweetspot range they will be further back from the rest of their team and likely be less impactful to the rest of the team

Aka promotes camp gameplay

[shy yacht]

although battlefield is historically a pc game more than a console one

[odd loom]

Ah I see

[granite wyvern]

It’s a team game so best thing to do is find some regular players to play with and squad up.

[stable sedge]

Name one battlefield that doesn't have people not helping their teams

[odd loom]

I mean, we've always had recons that camped way in the back or on a skyscraper in every BF. It blows and they suck

[shy yacht]

all of them

[stable sedge]

It's a non-issue because every game has that problem

[teal fractal]

-2 Theres no movement to actually avoid getting shot from a scout because in bf1 theres no implemented strafing, airstrafing, usable jumping, usable slide so you cant mix up your movements and youre just a slow in 1 line running target

[stable sedge]

So you want arcade COD movement

[shy yacht]

that doesnt sound very battlefield

[teal fractal]

3- any shot you make is essentially a death penalty on anyone, you either get shot to -80 or -99 which is enough to be 1 tapped by anything

[teal fractal]

Bf1 is an arcade shooter game and airstrafing, strafing has been a thing since bf3

[stable sedge]

Imagine having to avoid being shot in a shooter game

[teal fractal]

Infact bf games have always had more sophisticated shooter and movement mechanics than early cod games did

[shy yacht]

dolphin diving in 1942 and bf2 was an exploit at best

3 is very clunky and 4 is a little better, 1 feels nice to run around in

[teal fractal]

Okay no movement still

[stable sedge]

We should just introduce invulnerability frames when initiating a slide, that way you won't have to die and pickle is satisfied

[teal fractal]

Meaning your entire gameplay is positioning reliant

[stable sedge]

As it should be?

[teal fractal]

Without movement you sometimes can not retreat unless you retreat super early on but heavily slows down the entire pacing of the game

[shy yacht]

i dont think bf should have too much beyond sprinting and vaulting, its an arcade shooter but its a slower paced one

[odd loom]

So you're forced to commit? Lovely

[stable sedge]

Pickle wants to run around 360 noscope and be able to flee when they inevitably miss their shot

[odd loom]

Shooter players when they have to play strategically and can't just drop dolphin slide their way out of any time they get outplayed

[teal fractal]

Without movement you can not evade people that for example are within headglitch spots and you initially do not see them, you start getting shot at but you cant really retreat to cover or avoid shots

[tranquil dagger]

Just play cod bro🥀

[shy yacht]

i havent played much V but 1 seems like its in a great spot for movement

[odd loom]

Arcade movement is a crutch for shit players that don't know map design and sightlines. You should be able to move normally between cover or use smokes

[stable sedge]

So don't run out in the open like an idiot?

[teal fractal]

I can quarantee you that the same player advocating against strategic gameplay arent even very good at it

[shy yacht]

head glitching can be solved by making bullets leave the barrel of the gun instead of the centre of a players screen which is a much more elegant solution

[teal fractal]

Im a 4-5kpm 4kd player in bf1

[stable sedge]

Congratulations 👏🏻

[odd loom]

Sure, but the flip side is mfs that think you should QEQEQE and that should be considered a tech

[teal fractal]

That was done in bf5 and it was a horrible system

[odd loom]

Which is infinitely worse

[tranquil dagger]

Boo job application

[shy yacht]

its quite good actually bc headglitching is frustrating to play against and shouldnt be possible

[teal fractal]

Because bf5 had random spread, they then tied spread to recoil which meant you had random and uncontrollable recoil

[stable sedge]

Pickle complain, gets shown a solution, complains about it, rinse and repeat

[shy yacht]

bf2 and 3 also had awful spread, 4 toned it down and works nicely

[alpine edge]

they've been doing this since BF4

[stray kayak]

Real facts, it's an excellent system

[teal fractal]

4 had the best gunplay imo

[stable sedge]

Imagine having to control your recoil

[odd loom]

So is it random spread (e.g. bloom) or is it recoil?

[teal fractal]

You cant control a recoil thats random everytime that you fire

[teal fractal]

Both

[odd loom]

Bloom is the most dogshit design system in existence, recoil is cool and feels good to play around

[stable sedge]

Shoot your gun, gun moves right, move mouse left

Easy

[teal fractal]

Your spread is tied to recoil so that means your gun follows the pattern of your spread

[shy yacht]

@tranquil daggerhello fellow dog

[teal fractal]

Recoil control is about predicting the recoil behavior, if you fire target to target or burst you can not predict a certain pattern

You dont know when your gun is going vertically left or right

[odd loom]

The ideal system (imo) is pure recoil, no spread. Gun jumps around but bullet always goes in a straight line out the barrel, so if you're good at controlling it, you can play it over

[teal fractal]

You dont know when its going horizontally up

[odd loom]

Recoil should not be predetermined like in CS tho

[teal fractal]

Meaning its not controllable because you dont even know what your weapon is doing

[stable sedge]

I take it you're blind then if you can't see how your recoil is moving and adapt to it?

[tranquil dagger]

I see my bullets moving up so I pull down it really isn’t hard

[teal fractal]

It also saves bad players because they can on accident shoot you by getting a vertical left recoil that pretty much directs their weapon onto you or something

[stable sedge]

Nono you see you need to know beforehand ofc

[stray kayak]

need spread so people don't see dissatisfying +3 bullet hits at 75m. It allows bullet damage dropoffs to be less harsh, keeping the illusion that their bullets are powerful while still informing them they need to get closer

[teal fractal]

I have 32% aim accuraccy overall on bf5 and even im aware that its not something controllable

[alpine edge]

I doubt this happens lmao

[teal fractal]

Why

[tranquil dagger]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

[alpine edge]

accidently shooting you 💔

[stable sedge]

You're arguing against yourself now, because if a bad player knows the recoil would go vertically left they just aim down and right?

Lmao

[odd loom]

Im a firm spread hater, I'd rather have stronger bullet drop or damage falloff than anything else

If players are too dumb to realize their MP5 isn't going to out damage a sniper that's on them

[shy yacht]

that leads to incredibly accurate weapons which lower ttk at longer ranges, which can be frustrating to play against

[teal fractal]

For example the player is aiming slightly off target towards right and your gun recoils vertical left thats an accidental hit because they didnt even know it was about to recoil left

[odd loom]

Ah, that's what the recoil is for

[teal fractal]

Its 20% higher than your accuraccy

[stray kayak]

then people complain about spongey enemies. Spread has been used since forever for a reason

[stable sedge]

Again, arguing against yourself here

[alpine edge]

doesn't sound that serious

[tranquil dagger]

Is it like

[odd loom]

Players will complain about everything

For every "enemies too spongy" theres another "help I get killed immediately"

[teal fractal]

How are you going to implement bullet drop on AR weapons? Youre going to lead shots at enemies in 40 meter distances?

[shy yacht]

recoil should always be mostly vertical, horizontal recoil isnt possible to manage and should be used as a tool to balance the power of certain weapons at range

i mean left to right bounces

you can have it drift 1 way

[odd loom]

ARs don't have much bullet drop but have various levels of recoil. Full auto has high muzzle climb, burst and tap has less

[alpine edge]

spread isn't that bad, it just forces you to burst a little at range

[teal fractal]

Spread is imo the best option

Because it also adds weapon mastery depth

[stable sedge]

Whatever works best for you personally pickle, ofc 🙏

[shy yacht]

M240B in BF4 is a good example, that gun kicks up but it has quite severe left and right bounce, meaning using it at range requires a compensator and controlled bursts, but it hits very hard to make up for that

[teal fractal]

? Lol

[alpine edge]

spread is the easiest way to simulate full auto inaccuracy with an arcadey gunplay model

[teal fractal]

Spread from bf4 and 1 works fine

[odd loom]

Spread is lazy design and bad players love it because you can't outplay it. It makes everyone equally garbo no matter the skill level

[stable sedge]

So there are good things about battlefield 1?

[teal fractal]

Bf5s gunplay was horrible and its obvious on why you want to have spread in 2042

[teal fractal]

I quite literally said that bf1 had good gunplay

There are good things about battlefield 1 obviously

[alpine edge]

like the movement

[odd loom]

Recoil is also immensely more satisfying and provides way better feedback

[teal fractal]

But theres a lot of dogshit spewed in it

[stray kayak]

Pure recoil makes gunplay unsatisfying for the average person as it has to be comically uncontrollable. It also causes problems when lazy people just use undetectable anti recoil scripts

[stable sedge]

Then why were you so uptight about people needing to name one good thing about that "bad" game?

[stray kayak]

Even BFH has spread, even though it has comically uncontrollable recoil

[stable sedge]

You already knew

[alpine edge]

siege moment

[teal fractal]

Idk i wouldnt care id the game had more recoil but we need to remember that recoil has always been super minimal with some other mechanic inplace to restrict weapons from being very beamy

[shy yacht]

time to kill at different ranges is an important factor for designing maps, 2042's accuracy makes open areas a nightmare to cross, while in bf4 you could get away with running from cover to cover in big maps bc the only real threat at range was dmrs or snipers, having some kind of spread to prevent people from full auto hosing someone at long ranges is good for balance and design

[teal fractal]

And overall i think the pacing of the game would be insanely slow with like lets say hell let loose recoil

[odd loom]

It doesn't have to be, it can scale with every bullet shot, so you're forced to burst fire (or get real good at management)

Like 1-3 shots? Slight climb. 4-9 shots? More recoil

[teal fractal]

Yes and if you had good spread control you could kill people from distance aswell

[stable sedge]

Siege recoil is nice, takes actual skill

[teal fractal]

Siege is an entirely different game

[stable sedge]

I know, but someone else mentioned siege

[alpine edge]

siege gunplay sucks lol

[teal fractal]

Its not only much slower than any battlefield game but its also hyper tactical centered

[stable sedge]

How so?

[odd loom]

Siege is kind of laser beamy iirc?

[alpine edge]

too arcadey for a tac shooter

[stable sedge]

Not really

[shy yacht]

yeah it rewarded patience and skill, but it also meant TTK at those ranges was longer so there was a chance to get away unless the player was quite good, which is ideal, long range controlled tap firing is something to be learned. It doesnt feel good dying to someone far away feeling like you cant fight back, so its good to limit the weapons that can do it and how easy it is to pull off

[stray kayak]

That's what spread does too. It gets worse over time and it helps keep people in intended combat ranges. It's how the game communicates to people that they absolutely need to get closer

[teal fractal]

Yep

[odd loom]

Spread doesn't communicate, you straight up get no feedback that your bullets are going all over the place if you don't see the bullet holes

Your gun is stationary but your bullets go all over the place, like in CS

[shy yacht]

so a combination of spread and recoil is good, i dont know whos on what side of the argument anymore

[teal fractal]

Finally someone that understands weapon mechanics and how they play out ingames jesus

[teal fractal]

Yes

[odd loom]

You guys ever play the OG deus ex? It's like that

[teal fractal]

I said that bf5s gunplay wasnt good

[odd loom]

Like massive reticule and your bullets go somewhere in the space of it

[alpine edge]

it's telling you to fire slower and more accurately

[shy yacht]

i havent played bf5 much

[teal fractal]

Where spread and recoil are tied to the weapon

Random spread i mind you

Also your weapons dont hit screencenter

Its wherever your weapon is pointed to

[odd loom]

How do you tell that?

[shy yacht]

recoil balances weapons inside their intended kill ranges, spread balances weapons outside of those ranges, they both require different skill sets to master and both are tools to be used in a game where engagment ranges can be point blank or over 100m

[alpine edge]

when you start missing yo shit

[odd loom]

With recoil, your gun straight up moves, and you can feel that

[teal fractal]

Because they generally cant even name 1 actual reason

[odd loom]

With spread, it's unsatisfying

[shy yacht]

too much spread is, like bf3, bf4 got it right

[teal fractal]

I can name more bad things about bf1 than people can mention good things combined

And atmosphere and graphics really arent a real reason to like a video game for

[odd loom]

It's a p big reason honestly

[shy yacht]

those are totally valid reasons to like something

[alpine edge]

it is

[shy yacht]

i hate gatcha games but i play Genshin on and off specifically for those reasons

[teal fractal]

If the game is fundamentally dogshit but looks visually beautiful i wont play it idc lol

Ill play a game that looks like dogshit but plays good though

[alpine edge]

vro still playing genshin after natlan...

[shy yacht]

yeah there are limits to how far it goes but they are valid reasons

[teal fractal]

Isnt that an rpg game

[odd loom]

The mfs that don't care about that, feedback, weapon feel, etc should just go play Battlebit or Roblox lmfao

[shy yacht]

im still working on Inazuma lol

[teal fractal]

Where mechanics arent really that important

[alpine edge]

2042 had bad graphic and no atmosphere

[teal fractal]

Compared to a pvp fps game

[alpine edge]

that's the real reason why people hate it.

[teal fractal]

No

[odd loom]

2042 flopped in like every single way

[shy yacht]

there is something off about how 2042 looks and feels and i can never put my finger on it

its bland

[odd loom]

It's a little desaturated it feels like

[shy yacht]

yeah something like t hat

[alpine edge]

damn

fontaine is awezome

[teal fractal]

Idk atleast you can move in that game

[stray kayak]

The communication is that you are not in range for your specific gun. Spread hardly exists in your optimal range as is intended

[teal fractal]

Feels fluid

Id like the game significally more if there was no crossplay and mouse input actually worked

[odd loom]

Yeah, move over to a good battlefield

[teal fractal]

With better maps

[alpine edge]

why else do you think people glaze 1

[shy yacht]

ive been playing since October 2020 as well very love hate relationship, story and characters very cool, play for ages, hit the gatcha wall of time gating and resin, get mad and stop, come back again later

[alpine edge]

it's da graphics

[teal fractal]

I think 2042 actually had a good movement system

[odd loom]

It's the gunplay and immersion

[teal fractal]

Because they arent intelligent enough to actually pay attention to what they are playing

[odd loom]

It's cinematic AF

[alpine edge]

nope cuz it's hype n aura

[teal fractal]

Half the people in battlefield games literally spectate others play

[shy yacht]

the bunny hopping and momentum are too much, theres no penalty for shooting while doing it too

[alpine edge]

battlefield isn't a comp shooter

I don't think it really needs a high skill gap

[odd loom]

It's not a competitive game

[teal fractal]

Yeah they couldve implemented better gunplay

[alpine edge]

most people are in it for spectactle really

the 2042 movement system just feels meh

[teal fractal]

But why not

[alpine edge]

I like it for big CoD but otherwise not really

[teal fractal]

Theres a high skill gap regardless anyway

In bf1 your average person is what 1kpm 1kd

Peak players get 6kpm 6kd

[alpine edge]

I would say BF1 had a lower than average skill ceiling

compared to like 4

[teal fractal]

Its just that its far less entertaining to play for good players

[alpine edge]

I don't really care about that.

[teal fractal]

And i dont think they should make a game thats super catered and easy to play

[loud shuttle]

we really need to go back to battlefield2 like gameplay

[teal fractal]

It should be a game that feels good for everyone

[alpine edge]

well BF1 did that and that's the breadwinner

[shy yacht]

hell no

[alpine edge]

I'm afraid that ship has long sailed my friend...

[odd loom]

The difficulty in BF isn't playing solo, it's coordinating with a squad and a team

[shy yacht]

BF2 was very good but they have improved and innovated on the formula, i dont want to go backwards

[teal fractal]

Thats purely for its looks

[odd loom]

We need a bf2142 remake....

[shy yacht]

2143 would be cool

but sci fi seems hard to sell for some reason

[teal fractal]

Ask any bf1 player in this channel about what mechanics it has interms of gunplay they wouldnt even know what that is

[odd loom]

Titan mode was so baller

[alpine edge]

it got spread

[alpine edge]

because people are modern military slop hogs

[shy yacht]

imagine titan mode but you could blow parts of the enemy titan off, invade and destroy interla systems

in new frostbyte

[alpine edge]

unless it's star wars

[teal fractal]

Also bf4 was a big hit that everyone enjoyed

[odd loom]

Imagine those APCs with the drop pods

[teal fractal]

And it had actual movement mechanics

So why take it away

[alpine edge]

BF4 movement was broken lol

[teal fractal]

You could bhop, airstrafe, strafe, ads stabilisation land

[alpine edge]

no one complained bc it only happened on PC

[shy yacht]

you;d get stuck on so much shit in bf4, vaulting was a nightmare

[odd loom]

Is this a shooter or smash

[teal fractal]

This is not including slithering, zouzou, vouzou. Mouzou, rouzou

Which were the glitched movements

[shy yacht]

one thing i want back that id bet no one else does, is bf3 knifing, so i can melee people from 2 meters away and around corners

[teal fractal]

Ngl you get stuck a lot more in bf1

[shy yacht]

takedowns in bf3 were so good

[teal fractal]

Or just outright get killed by the map because lol

[shy yacht]

and bf4 just ruined it with counter knifing

[odd loom]

Movement should take longer to recover from and you should not be able to ADS so effectively right after jumping/sliding/dolphin diving

[shy yacht]

i want good takedowns in bf6

[teal fractal]

So whats the point of those movement mechanics if youre making them unusable

[alpine edge]

I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't care about melee takedowns/assassinations

I just shoot the person if I can

[odd loom]

They're meant to be used defensively, not offensively

[teal fractal]

Bf1 and 5 had the best feeling melees imo

[odd loom]

As a last ditch resort as you scramble into cover

Not "this is my cover, I will spaz all over the screen"

[teal fractal]

Heavy melees that had less lock animations but more damage and light melees with more kill angles but less damage

[shy yacht]

i did both, shooting and melee, depending, my knife was my top weapon in 3, with C4 and the 44, my 2nd and 3rd

[odd loom]

And jumping around corners while ADSing midair? Get outta here with that gahbage

[teal fractal]

Why not offensively

Its not like people are unkillable midslide or mid jump

[odd loom]

Because it isn't Quake

[teal fractal]

It doesnt have to be

Did you like bf5s movement?

[odd loom]

I didn't play BF5

[alpine edge]

BF5 slide is goober

[teal fractal]

The slide itself was good the animations for the slide were pretty bad

It was a bit too abrupt but regardless its not like youre magically unhittable for sliding

It just makes gunfights more fun

[alpine edge]

I don't like how you can freely turn it lol

too high speed for WW2...

[odd loom]

Advanced movements killed warzone (God I miss season 1 so much)

[teal fractal]

People all of a sudden can slide faster in modern era? Lol

[alpine edge]

it just looks goober

[teal fractal]

But sliding isnt very advanced

[odd loom]

It's a shooter, not a parkour game

[teal fractal]

Its like a bareminimum movement mechanic

[odd loom]

You should be forced to commit to an evasive maneuver, not be able to ADS and shoot right after

[teal fractal]

Easy to use, not hard to counter, adds options

And btw you dont have to use those movement mechanics to play well anyway

[alpine edge]

it's probably in BF6's best interest to keep movement tame

[teal fractal]

You likely never even see anyone use them

[teal fractal]

Why

[odd loom]

Because it should be an evasive maneuver and not used offensively

[teal fractal]

I wouldnt care about adsing and shooting right away but if they lack movement the way bf1 did then its pretty bad

[odd loom]

It's goofy and arcadey as fuck

[teal fractal]

You couldnt evade at all in bf1

You cant even do basic strafing in bf1

[odd loom]

And that's the difference; some people want goofy arcadey movement, others don't

[teal fractal]

Battlefield has always been an arcade shooter game

[odd loom]

At what level? The level where people know all the pooper scooper movement techs, or normal people?

[teal fractal]

In bf4 you had airstrafing that not only was controllable with mouse inputs but also AWSD keys

Regular strafing

No one once complained about those things

Ads stablisation jump has been a thing since bf3

Bhopping has been a thing

[odd loom]

Bhopping out of combat, sure. But in combat? Mid fire?

[teal fractal]

Its only the new bf1 players that are catering super hard to floor licking gameplay

[teal fractal]

Why not

[odd loom]

Because it isn't Quake wtf

[teal fractal]

You can still kill them

[teal fractal]

?

[odd loom]

It looks goofy as fuck and some people like the immersion

[teal fractal]

Why are you comparing it to quake lol

[odd loom]

It's why BF 1 is so well liked

[teal fractal]

Youre overreacting

[odd loom]

Dude, just go play Roblox or something

[teal fractal]

Legit everyone benefits from movement mechanics

Theres actual no reason for you to not want them

[alpine edge]

yeah but it looks goofy

[teal fractal]

And the only players that do not want movement mechanics are garbage players that cant do more than click 1 button at a single time and or started from bf1 and then thinks every game since that should be 1:1

Btw bf1 is the only game in the entire series without proper movement mechanics in the past like what 12-13 years?

[alpine edge]

the movement is probably the least of that games issues

[teal fractal]

Its the main issue

sweetspot is broken because targets are slow and can only move within a single direction

In a straight line

[alpine edge]

sweetspot shouldn't exist in the first place 💔

[teal fractal]

true

Then you have maps that get stuck on chokes

Fort de vaux is a prime example of that

[odd loom]

The only players that want advanced movement mechanics are garbage players that can't recognize they can make bad gameplay decisions

[teal fractal]

In 2042 you can get by campers and shoot them in the back breaking the stuck gameplay loop

[odd loom]

It's straight up "oh no, I'm out of cover. I should be able to shimmy my way out of this situation"

[teal fractal]

You legit can not do a single thing in bf1 to break stuck chokes

You either

[odd loom]

No, if you fuck up like that and someone out positions you, you are dead to rights

[teal fractal]

Permanently die by attempting running into people and nades

[alpine edge]

sinai desert is a scaled down 2042 map

[teal fractal]

Or you keep tossing grenades til one side gets lucky

[odd loom]

If you want a parkour game, there's plenty of them. BF has a focus on strategy and team based gameplay, not lone wolf shenanigans

[teal fractal]

Youre playing a 32 player game where people can headglitch and most often dont even know where they are wandering themselves

Theres people camping mgs hundreds of meters away that become completely unavoidable

[odd loom]

There's counterplay, smokes, cover, counter snipers, etc etc.

[teal fractal]

There isnt

[silk patrol]

This is entertaining

[odd loom]

You should not be able to just dolphin slide glide your way through an open field because that's goofy as fuck

[teal fractal]

You cant react to a mg from hundreds of meters away

[odd loom]

That's why you have recons

[teal fractal]

Because its harder to see, more than likely they are headglitched

[odd loom]

Or artillery, or drones, or mortars

Ok, so fix the head glitch

[teal fractal]

Mortars shouldnt exist

[odd loom]

Why break a game even more?

[teal fractal]

You kind of cant

[alpine edge]

BF1 doesn't have headglitching

[odd loom]

LMFAOOO

[teal fractal]

It does

[odd loom]

Mortars should 100% exist, tf?

[alpine edge]

well at least egergious ones dont

[odd loom]

It's a strong anti-sniper/camping tool

[alpine edge]

BF4 already had a simplified height over bore system

[teal fractal]

Community servers banned them because they make people not ptfo, they spam their mortar and wait for the next one to come up

Its a strong camping tool*

[odd loom]

Community servers have shit admins that camp with a sniper and ban stingers because they hog the heli

[teal fractal]

also its annoying because mortars are unavoidable and you cant do anything against them

[odd loom]

It's called "don't camp"

[teal fractal]

Also

[odd loom]

Or, use a trophy system

[silk patrol]

1. IRL you wont see people moving all goofy and being obvious, theres strategy, slows movements etc. 2. This is a game, funky movements, headglitches, minimaps withs live pinging from teamates who are dead and pinging their killer, it sounds like youd be better suited to play Squad or Arma, just saying.

[teal fractal]

Why are you expecting teamplay from a game that has never in its entire life cycle had any form of teamplay

[teal fractal]

Its an arcade game we arent in actual war get out of your hole

[odd loom]

Because it's a game focused on team play

[teal fractal]

Okay but the players are bad at the game

[silk patrol]

but whats your argument? @teal fractal

[odd loom]

He wants to lone wolf in a Battlefield game of all places

[silk patrol]

What exactly are you trying to explain my guy?

[teal fractal]

My argument is is that im playing a video game where i want to have fun gunfights and shoot at people

[teal fractal]

Its a lone wolf game btw

[silk patrol]

so whats the problem

[teal fractal]

Like 100%

[odd loom]

Ok, so you're trying to turn a battlefield game into a... What, another COD?

Like ?????

[teal fractal]

Im a high level competitive player that has achieved 4-5kpm in bf1, 2.6kpm in bf5 and 4-5 in bf2042

[silk patrol]

Im still confused what were talking about/arguing over

[teal fractal]

In all of those games ive never relied on any of my teammates because they are bad a the game

People who are bad st the game do not play their kits well, they do not hold their angles well

They do not really kill or do much of any value

They dont rotate objectives correctly

[odd loom]

So you can't play in a team... and you're advocating for changes in a game that is differentiated from other games by the focus on squads and teams?

[teal fractal]

They do not help on flanks

[odd loom]

Lemme hop into the Civ 5 discord and tell them to add ADS mechanics

[silk patrol]

Yes, not everyone is tactical when playing, some or most even could be young kids starting out on shooters and still learning

[teal fractal]

Ive played competitive matches on battlefield against some of the best battlefield players within teams

[odd loom]

BF is not a competitive game lmao

[teal fractal]

You will never see teamplay outside of competitive games

Youre either too bad at the video game to understand that or youre ignorant to that fact

[odd loom]

Yeah, because everyone lone wolfs like you

Gee, I wonder why

[solid hinge]

any bf5 player know the best class/loadout combo to defeat vehicles especially aircrafts ?

[odd loom]

We should make it even easier. Let's give the assault stims that regen

Oh wait...

Aw heck, let's unlock weapons so everyone can use anything, so the classes matter even less

[silk patrol]

Being a gamer for 15+ years i'll tell you if you want teamates that will do whats needs to be done and be high speed about it, you HAVE to bring your own squad/friends, if you play with randoms youve already failed

[teal fractal]

Weapons have never mattered

[odd loom]

Ok, THIS is the cappest take

[teal fractal]

You shouldnt count on people to have friends who are interested in battlefield just to be even able to play the game

[odd loom]

It's a team based game!!!

This guy has to be a troll

[teal fractal]

?

Youre garbage at the game why would you understand anything im saying

[odd loom]

Ok I admit it, I got ragebaited a little

[teal fractal]

Go enjoy your non existent teamplay and get 15 kills in a 20 to 30 minute game i do not care man