battlefield-legacy-titles

[mellow prawn]

people pretend like this will make bf6 like 2042 pt2 and its absurd

[frozen ore]

I jumped in at half time, so just making sure, are you for or against class locked weapons? xD

[stray kayak]

i will survive maybe perhaps

[robust marten]

More different weapons (Bf4) or a bunch of with just different stats (Bf1) what does you guys prefer?

[stark panther]

Can’t read lmao, i learned about it from reddit

[spring plume]

ngl, most of it just sounds like salt they didnt get picked for the test

[stark panther]

Lmao theres a difference

[ripe raft]

i told my grandpa (he's 22) about the no lock weapons and he laughed and said, boy you missed EVERYTHING good about battlefield

[stark panther]

I didnt say it was majority, put words in my koopa mouth

Like cmon lmao

[somber robin]

Wait, but you do admit that you or I have yet to test this game and this system? Thats all Im saying, It might suck, it might be cool, we will find out when we get our hands on the game.

[ripe raft]

he said BOY that aint battlefield, that's just battle, then he used his spitjug and ploughed the fields

[spring plume]

"This isn’t the minority at all I heard about this on reddit" makes it sound like that

[ebon condor]

thank god DICE got yall defending their stupidity

[stray kayak]

BF2042 would have been equally terrible even if it had standard classes with locked guns. It was just fundamentally terrible down to the most basic code

[small summit]

It's the same system as it was in 2042. It sucks.

[ripe raft]

do you find it usually difficult to accept being wrong

[stark panther]

Apologies, not what I meant

[worn zephyr]

Yo, did anyone get the weird queue it email?

[spring plume]

can you go back to talking to yourself?

[small summit]

Man, some people have absolutely zero reading comprehension.

[stark panther]

Like its just another platform

[ripe raft]

i take that as a yes lmao

being honest with yourself and knowing what you don't know is one of the bravest thing a person can do, i will pray for you every day

[stark panther]

Nah keep talking dog

[stray kayak]

I think this was the one good change made in 2042

[stark panther]

Like we can disagree who cares

[ebon condor]

internet gangsters lmfao

[somber robin]

Battelfield 2042 SUCKS in genral it seems. If every problem about bf 2042 was fixed today expect the weapon lock, you would call it a bad game?

[ripe raft]

i'd call it a mid game

and bad relative to earlier battlefields

[mellow prawn]

weapon lock is a non issue

[small summit]

It was mid at best, hypothetical waxing aside.

[stark panther]

Studio Gangsters

[mellow prawn]

BF players are so absurdly resistant to change

[ripe raft]

another cave goblin enters the arena

[spring plume]

truest thing ive read today

[stark panther]

I love democracy

[ripe raft]

anime profile pics opinions are usually trash i get it

[mellow prawn]

"erm you cant just let people pick what gun they use" yes you can, practically every other FPS that isnt a hero shooter does

[somber robin]

ok, then it sounds like weapon lock isnt really the issue with 2042?

[ebon condor]

yes its not like they forced a dogshit game down our throats a few years ago

[ripe raft]

funnily enough that's what made battlefield not practically every other fps!!!!

(that's a good thing)

[spring plume]

someone forced you to play it? someone forced you to buy it?

[mellow prawn]

if you want to die mad about it be my guest

[tiny salmon]

Battlefield 3 was the best of the series!

[stark panther]

Not in the army tho son

[somber robin]

Bros got an EA agent at his house lol

[ebon condor]

My bad, DICE can do no wrong MY BAD

[tiny salmon]

And hi (just joined)

[frozen ore]

I will die mad about it....

[ebon condor]

Im talking about your fav game my bad, its perfect! Good luck!

[mellow prawn]

really? I thought it was the large scale maps, destruction, combined vehicle and infantry gameplay

[ripe raft]

MY EA/DICE moment

[stray kayak]

BF players don't even want DICE to fix issues, they get mad about it every time. They even changed bolt actions to incentivize people to move closer, and players whined about that

[mellow prawn]

good to hear that they can scrap all that

because WEAPON LOCK is what makes battlefield unique

[ripe raft]

combined vehicle and infantry gameplay... with a clear rock/paper/scissors design philosphy that forced individuals to work as a team yes you are correct

[mellow prawn]

gadgets define classes better than guns ever did

[stark panther]

Rock paper scissors yesssss

[frozen ore]

It's not the whole package, heck it may not be super significant, but it's a part I like

[ebon condor]

so when the game inevitably flops, is it still the fault of gamers?

[stark panther]

Someone gets it

[ripe raft]

obviously its not just WEAPON LOCK, don't be so reductionist thats embarassing

[mellow prawn]

the fact that the guns allowed for each class changes in every single game should prove to you that unlocking weapons is a nothingburger

[stark panther]

I usually call it rock paper scissors + one cause theres four classes lol

[stray kayak]

it uniquely makes me pick gadgets i don't like and then ignore them because my fav gun was locked to that class

[thin wyvern]

Bring back weapons LOCKED to classes or I will never buy another battlefield game again, I promise you EA.

[ripe raft]

yes battlefield is reflective of every single game

[stark panther]

They branded me with the number 4 when i played my first battlefield

[mellow prawn]

Im talking about every single BF game you dunce

[ebon condor]

i just want a 2142 remaster man

[ripe raft]

wonder how hell let loose is doing....??? with a class lock system??? clear rock paper scissors???

[spring plume]

I wont be satisfied till the only weapon class support can use is a LMG and NOTHING ELSE!111

[stark panther]

Lmao

[mellow prawn]

my god do I have to spell this shit out for you

[summer forge]

Weapons should be class locked

[ripe raft]

it seems to be the inverse of that situation

[stray kayak]

the +1 is watching from the corner, but i won't use the word incase the mods dont like it

[small summit]

It was one of the many issues it had, and from the sound of it, it's shaping up to be 2042 with a modern-day coat of paint on it.

You act like the weapon system doesn't affect a good majority of the gameplay when it's practically the most important aspect of infantry combat.

[somber robin]

Is battlefield rock, paper scissors?

[stray kayak]

wonder how Arma WCS is doing, with no locked guns

[ripe raft]

it was

[mellow prawn]

care to reply to what I said now that ive clarified it for you?

[ripe raft]

arma isn't real to me

it's real life

and not a game

[stark panther]

Lmao that made me laugh

[spring plume]

dont reply to them, they are here for attention, they spent 20 mins trying to bait people earlier talking to themselves

[mellow prawn]

absurd message

[ripe raft]

no

if its above my screen i'm not scrolling

[small summit]

Thank you for that thoughtful and verbose rebuttal.

[somber robin]

Yeah I guess I will see when I play the game. Ill probably farm either way, so no complaints here.

[stray kayak]

when i was zip tied, stripped, and executed by 4 NATO guys it was real and happened to me irl

[mellow prawn]

I dont need to say anything more than that. classes have almost always been defined by their gadgets and other aspects of their kits, weapons merely compliment their intended ranges

this is plain to see if you arent blinded by nostalgia

[ripe raft]

i'm glad you recovered

[stark panther]

I cant use the word so ill call them recon lol

[stark panther]

Damn mate

[ripe raft]

weapons compliment their intended ranges but now you can use any weapon

lol

[mellow prawn]

yes

[ripe raft]

ouroboros moment

[mellow prawn]

and people will pick weapons that fit their class as a result

[stark panther]

Lmao

[ripe raft]

so basically a self directed weapon lock

gotcha

trust the players!!!

[stark panther]

Hes onto something

[small summit]

By that logic, there should be absolutely zero problem with restricting classes to a single weapon type plus DMRs, carbines and shotguns. There's already plenty of variety of "intended ranges" with those types alone.

[robust marten]

👍

[stray kayak]

no uuuuuuhh you see it's super important that "Medic" goes from having LMGs, to ARs, to DMRs, to SMGs and "Bolt Actions"

[ripe raft]

the anti lockers must surrender, this is your final warning

[tropic pecan]

i think the fun of weapon locking was that it was an easy solution to class diversity

[mellow prawn]

but if youre saying that its a GOOD thing to allow people to pick their range, then why have it locked at all

[ripe raft]

come out with your unlocked hands up, we promise you no harm

[stray kayak]

All weapon types have guns that cover a wide variety of ranges anyway 🥱

[small summit]

How about we just do away with classes in general, then? Let's all just go back to playing 2042 then. Scrap the game.

[tropic pecan]

people care more about their gun than their equipment

so people chose classes based on the guns rather than vice versa

[mellow prawn]

Ive said it before, the weapons that each class is allowed to have have changed in every single BF game, it is not integral that they remain locked

[ripe raft]

???

[stray kayak]

i will never believe that again 💔

[stark panther]

In real life tho, this is a game

[somber robin]

Honestly true

[stark panther]

Like i hear you

[mellow prawn]

do you seriously believe that classes are only their weapon and nothing more

have you ever played BF

[tropic pecan]

yup, and i think its better that way

i do not want to be domed by a sniper who revives the guy next to him

[somber robin]

I havent thought about it too much so I wouldnt go that far.

[edgy elk]

i don't see why how assault in bf4 would change that much if it had access to pdw's or lmg's.

[ripe raft]

wtf that sounds fun

[mellow prawn]

"well if you arent gonna lock weapons, whats the point of classes!" get a grip

[tropic pecan]

i mean i think its a good balancing tool

[mellow prawn]

it wouldnt, at all really

[limber heart]

Supports don’t have spawn beacons
Also it’s not like a sniper in the back of the map goes through all their ammo by the end of a game

[ripe raft]

you said yourself that people are going to naturally use weapons that complement the gadgets so whats the diff

[tropic pecan]

like engineer being limited for example

despite having one of the strongest kits

[stray kayak]

I'm talking about in the game. Each weapon type always has guns that cover a variety of ranges. Anything from 10-50m basically

[mellow prawn]

because if people want to play eccentrically we should let them

[tropic pecan]

as an engineer main mind u

[mellow prawn]

why choke them out of that

[somber robin]

I thinks its a really convenient way to differentiate the classes, but not sure if it has more uses.

[ripe raft]

then they can play eccentrically in their respective class

[tropic pecan]

it also like

[mellow prawn]

why

[tropic pecan]

helps with visual clarity

if i see a guy with heavy body armor

[ripe raft]

what eccentricity from a medic with a sniper is valuable to the overall balance of the battlefield

[tropic pecan]

i can safely assume he doesnt have a sniper or smg

stuff like that

yeah like fundamentally you gotta remember this is a multiplayer pvp game

what isn't frustrating to play against is just as valuable as what is fun to play with

[ripe raft]

the eccentricity comes from the weapon lock moreso imo, playing a crackhead engineer purely laying down mines and being a sneaky little cart pusher IS eccentric and demands a distinctly different playstyle then the same dude that can access a sniper rifle

[small summit]

Yes, and 3 out of 4 classes should not have access to C4. Or underbarrel launchers/shotguns. I can set up a support kit to play like an assault class in 2042.

[stark panther]

Oh ya 10-50m yes, I think everyclass should get pdw’s, shotguns, too and wonky weapons personally but mostly everything else should be class specific is my 2 cents

[tropic pecan]

yeah 100%, limitations bring creativity

[ripe raft]

infact, if we're talking about eccentricity, the weapn lock MANDATES that

[stark panther]

Or just lock em all to classes

[mellow prawn]

we arent talking about 2042

[small summit]

Stop moving the goalposts.

[tropic pecan]

like

[mellow prawn]

you can also tell by whether theyre using an smg or a sniper

[frozen ore]

Kick farther

[mellow prawn]

is this baby's first FPS game? holy shit man

[tropic pecan]

you cant see that easily in the same way you can see the silhouette

[mellow prawn]

BF players inventing problems that got solved a decade ago or just dont practically exist

[ripe raft]

seems like you're either young, or just don't have experience with battlefield

[small summit]

I'm fixing to kick something, that's for sure.

[ripe raft]

you're right, iwth weapon lock

[stark panther]

Bro most battlefield games had this feature

Its why all the kickback

[mellow prawn]

the kickback is because BF players are uber resistant to change

[ripe raft]

if it aint broke....

[tropic pecan]

i mean

[mellow prawn]

and they dont have the braincells to understand anything beyond simple association

[ripe raft]

why do a 360 and fly away

[tropic pecan]

2042 literally bombed

[ripe raft]

ironic you funny little man

[tropic pecan]

gamers will buy every new game no matter what

[stark panther]

All gamers are brother

[tropic pecan]

they didnt with 2042 lol

people play every new cod

but they stopped with bf 2042

[somber robin]

how do you guys feel about squadmates being able to revive in BF5?

[tropic pecan]

that says something

and its not just "gamers hate change"

[stark panther]

Exactly

[tropic pecan]

gamers hate change until they play it

[stark panther]

Im with Asuka Lang

[tropic pecan]

but if they still hate it

[ripe raft]

i'm fine with it if they introduce cod killcam animations fortnite chicken joggey

[tropic pecan]

maybe the change is cheeks

[somber robin]

Zoogie is based I think

[mellow prawn]

I have not heard any real argument against unlocked weapons beyond "thats not what the older games did!"

[edgy elk]

i think bf6 shouldn't be bf4 remastered.

[ripe raft]

you're just a brainlet and hesitate to change if you dont want killcam revives in battlefield

[ripe raft]

mate, put on your glasses you galah, we've explained it a thousand times now

[tropic pecan]

because its a fun limitation that makes you play with weapons and equipment you otherwise wouldnt have

[mellow prawn]

all youve done is say you dont like it

[ripe raft]

you just dont wanna agree because you're probably naturally argumentative or have a huge ego

[tropic pecan]

like

[stray kayak]

Players will hate something simply because they associate it with something else. Many people are reactionary, relying on nothing more than emotions

[tropic pecan]

if there was no lock of any kind

99% of players would run

[ripe raft]

ok nietzche

[tropic pecan]

assault rifle, defib, c4

[ripe raft]

take it easy alright

[tropic pecan]

every time

MAYBE sniper, defib, c4

[small summit]

It's both.

[tropic pecan]

or smg, defib, c4

its a balancing act

[mellow prawn]

good thing thats not the case

[somber robin]

I think Zoogie pointed something out that was interesting. "I dont want to be headshot by a sniper and then watch that guy revive his teamate next to him". Something about that interaction feels wrong imo, but I could be convinced.

[tropic pecan]

strong weapons get weaker equipment

and vice versa

[stark panther]

I think bro if they can prove the change is good gamers wont complain as much/the same way but they didnt with 2042

[mellow prawn]

but why?

[spring plume]

they already do?

[tropic pecan]

am i clueless? what game lets you use c4 and defib?

[mellow prawn]

also isnt this just like a BF4 assault set up

[ripe raft]

almost like... there is some kind of.... philosphy... involved... in early games... to enforce teamwork, specific actions, rock paper scissors

[tropic pecan]

no

assault doesnt have c4

[mellow prawn]

oh right

[tropic pecan]

support and recon do

[edgy elk]

that's literally 85% of players

[ripe raft]

ROCK PAPER SCISSORS... fellas we just solved battlefield after EA broke it with unlocks

[tropic pecan]

support has weaker guns to justify it

[mellow prawn]

how does weapon lock enforce teamwork

[stray kayak]

You cannot change the fact that the majority of people who like guns like ARs more than anything else. Pickrate doesn't necessarily affect balance either, you should always be able to excel with any weapon type.

[tropic pecan]

and recon has a playstyle that isnt complimented by c4

[ripe raft]

you said it yourself, the weapons complement the intended range associated with their gadgets

[mellow prawn]

yes, and

[tropic pecan]

wdym

[edgy elk]

support is the most useless class in bf4 and no one ever uses an lmg.

[stray kayak]

Western culture

[ripe raft]

a medic should not be able to just blast away everything in his path, he should be far less dangerous on the field to ensure he actually does what he is intended to do

[tropic pecan]

that doesnt help me

[ripe raft]

similarly, an engineer should be frightening to vehicles, but not as much a threat to infantry

[quartz escarp]

dice quit reinventing the fucking wheel everytime you build the game

[mellow prawn]

how does making medics squishy encourage them to use their revive gadget

also this has just historically not ever been the case

[ripe raft]

because if they're not squishy why bother having assault

[mellow prawn]

all infantry classes can work against other infantry

[tropic pecan]

i disagree with the medic take but 1000% agree here

[ripe raft]

what... a grenade??

[ripe raft]

look i've gotta dramatize it a bit ok just cut me some slack i'm in a meeting for work

[tropic pecan]

engineer is balanced by having decent weapons but busted equipment against vehicles

[thin wyvern]

Give it up dude. People don’t understand why BF2/3/4/1/5/BC were some of the best shooters ever released. They just want dopamine and skins.

[stray kayak]

Explain why "Medic" went from LMGs, to ARs, to DMRs, to SMGs and Bolt Actions. Explain how the gameplay of the class gadgets fundamentally changed each time

[tropic pecan]

and assault is balanced by mid equipment but busted weapons

[mellow prawn]

we arent talking about assault here, I asked you how medics being squishy encourages them to revive teammates

[ripe raft]

yeah i responded

[mellow prawn]

with nonsense

[ripe raft]

if they're not squishy, what's the point of assault class

the main infantry v infantry class

[mellow prawn]

can anyone else explain to me why medics being weak would encourage them to revive teammates

I dont know if this guy can

[ripe raft]

can you not read pal?

[tropic pecan]

is this a bf1 bfv thing? medics are assault no?

[quartz ingot]

It wouldn't

[tropic pecan]

i dont think the classes need different hp

[stark panther]

I agree Asuka

[quartz ingot]

But there's tools to help revive, like smokes.

[ripe raft]

we're talking ideology in the tapestry of battlefield

[tropic pecan]

but assault can feel squishier than support because they dont have suppression in their kit, and their playstyle encourages them to go to the frontline

like same hp, but more prone to danger

justified by giving them a stronger gun

[stark panther]

Just like real infantry

[quartz ingot]

You're already in the front line, they're already more prone to danger lol

[stark panther]

Assault are infanteers

[tropic pecan]

recon for example has probably the weakest equipment in the game IIRC, but has the ability to crossmap people

[edgy elk]

not a lot in bf4 would really change if weapons were unlocked

[stray kayak]

the role of "Assault" post BF4 is to break lines. This is fulfilled by the gadgets which offer various ways to break through groups of enemies

[tropic pecan]

thats what i mean, they have to frontline so its justified to give them stronger weapons

versus like an engineer

[spring plume]

wym, reacon has the strongest gadget in the game with the spawn beacon

[mellow prawn]

engis are also frontline?

[ripe raft]

yes, it has a clear role, supported by gadgets and weapons

[tropic pecan]

they can backline so giving them busted weapons is overkill

[mellow prawn]

the only class that isnt frontline is recon

[stray kayak]

Recon should be renamed to Intel. People are dumb and need plain language lol

[stark panther]

Off topic ive liked having to adjust my assault play style for every games changes (except 2042)

[small summit]

They used to be, but DICE finally realized "hey maybe we shouldn't give the guy with the most broken guns sole access to healing lol"

[tropic pecan]

are you joking or not? genuinely asking. spawn beacon is underrated but it doesn't have immediate game changing impact

[mellow prawn]

medics have to run into the frontline to revive teammates, engi needs to run towards armor that is hammering infantry

theyre all frontline except recon

[ripe raft]

look, to boil it down, if you think classes are important, there is inherent value in a weapon lock system

[spring plume]

im not joking, if you ever played with any agressive reacons, having forward spawn beacons win caps, especially on flanks

[tropic pecan]

honestly i like it, the type of person who wants to play the slayer role being the only one who can actually heal people. but maybe thats cope on my part, i havent thought about it much

[quartz ingot]

A spawn beacon does so much especially in a well coordinated group

[stark panther]

Yes but support and engineer are weaker at it

[tropic pecan]

what mode are you guys talking about

like rush?

[spring plume]

yes

[edgy elk]

a good recon is someone who uses their gadgets to spot people and place spawn beacons close to objectives.

[tropic pecan]

im mostly thinking like conquest when i talk about this stuff

[stray kayak]

The weapons do nothing when it comes to the role, as you can easily "assault" with ARs, SMGs, LMGs, shotguns, and probably even DMRs if you want to put people down in fewer shots.

[tropic pecan]

yeah i can imagine then

[mellow prawn]

why?

are they not equally in danger of getting shot

[tropic pecan]

but i would argue recon isnt as oppressive in rush, but i could be wrong

[spring plume]

conquest its good if you like avoiding the zergs

and getting side caps

[stark panther]

Technically assault and support are infanteers, Engineers are like Combat Engineers, Recon are snipers, who would start training as Infanteer

[small summit]

LMGs? Hell no. Movement spread accuracy penalties have always been punishing for that weapon class.

[stark panther]

Just how the balance was

[small summit]

Unless it's mag-fed, and even then...

[tropic pecan]

LMGs can be strong

[spring plume]

accuracy when bipods exist 🧍

[tropic pecan]

i love the idea of suppression

where you can essentially debuff a whole group of people by firing in their general direction

[stray kayak]

Hardly much of a problem at 20m

[small summit]

But then you're not "assaulting" lol

[gloomy cave]

hi

[stray kayak]

unironically mega based

[mellow prawn]

classes in BF have always used a variety of weapons across titles, I have a hard time believeing that allowing assault to use LMGs is gonna break the game

[small summit]

Yeah, but the same could be said for pretty much any other weapon type at that range.

[tropic pecan]

not break the game, but take away a really charming aspect of it

[mellow prawn]

suppression and spread are actually good mechanics

they make gunfights longer and reduce the effective range of most weapons

[stray kayak]

nooooooooo it's bad that I'm forced to flank because of suppression instead of mindlessly firing down the same hallway!!!!!

[stark panther]

Bro just play the other games

[tropic pecan]

i will sum up my problem with removing weapon lock really concisely

[mellow prawn]

what a stupid response

[gloomy cave]

I cannot wait for releasing the new BF title.

[spring plume]

so are we going to stop pretending like weapon selection is not just irrelivant beyond ads speed for sweats yet? which are the ones going to try to enforce the meta anyway

[stark panther]

That statement is just false, pdw’s and shotguns arent the same

Like in 3 i mean lol

[tropic pecan]

if you remove weapon lock, at what point are these not just glorified create-a-classes?

[stark panther]

Exactly

[tropic pecan]

weapon lock is a limitation yes, but its a fun limitation to work with

[mellow prawn]

the point where you still have gadgets that fulful a specific role

[edgy elk]

gadgets, archetypes and traits?

[mellow prawn]

jesus man it doesnt actually matter what you kill other players with

[stark panther]

I started playing bf cause my dad was a vet and its realistic without being arma or operation flashpoint

[tropic pecan]

but people really only pick classes for like maybe one gadget

[mellow prawn]

your role is almost solely defined by your gadgets

[mellow prawn]

that is a seperate problem

[stray kayak]

will be funny if the first meta gun isn't from ARs, the supposedly "best" guns that cannot be unlocked under any circumstances

[stark panther]

A nice mix of realism and arcade, cods way more arcade then bf

[tropic pecan]

weapon lock has always been a part of battlefield

[mellow prawn]

BF is not realistic

[inland pumice]

probably the best summary of BF ive heard

[stark panther]

Arcades prolly the wrong word

[tropic pecan]

like yes i get it hahaha iconic

[mellow prawn]

just more nostalgia

[tropic pecan]

but still

[inland pumice]

realistic but not too much

[stark panther]

Its a game bro what realism are we meaning

[tiny salmon]

BF 3 was the best of the series

[mellow prawn]

BF is not realistic at all I dont understand where people get that from

[small summit]

They'd probably just play support, then.

[tropic pecan]

its not realism its a design principle

[stray kayak]

so has the 3d spotting button, a cancer that should never return

[inland pumice]

realism isnt black and white

[tropic pecan]

yeah but that wasnt iconic

[stark panther]

Thats a better word for it

[mellow prawn]

what is realistic about BF

[edgy elk]

if battlefield was realistic, anyone would be able to use an assault rifle lol

[tiny salmon]

Neither is Tarkov but I still play the game

[spring plume]

early meta weapons are always dependant on map design, it will probably be shotguns since the trailers showed a lot of karkland style maps

[stark panther]

Classes

[mellow prawn]

thats fine I dont care for realism anyway

[mellow prawn]

lmao

[inland pumice]

you can have games that are more realistic then others

[stark panther]

Stop lmao

Bro

[tropic pecan]

In battlefield some weapons types are simply stronger than others, weapon lock lets them balance classes around it

[mellow prawn]

can you name something that is realistic in battlefield

[inland pumice]

uhm, the game

[tropic pecan]

c4 is literally a balancing metric

[stray kayak]

still has plenty of people whine about it, and weapon locks aren't "iconic" either. Destruction and combined arms gameplay are the iconic features.

[tiny salmon]

Bullet drop

[tropic pecan]

if assault had c4 being in a vehicle would be game over

[stark panther]

Only special forces ever get a chance to truly create a class is my 2 cenys

[spring plume]

OR, how about this, with access to all weapons it lets standout weapons get nerfed sooner rather than later

[small summit]

People wanting to kill each other

[tropic pecan]

the problem isnt some weapons, its entire categories

[mellow prawn]

bullet drop is not actually accurate to real life in these games, typically

[mellow prawn]

truthnuke

[tropic pecan]

in no world will smgs ever compete with assault rifles outside of super small maps

[stray kayak]

nerf time then, everything should have its place to a reasonable degree

[inland pumice]

bullet drop, vehicles, weapon fire rates & dmg, destruction

[stark panther]

I like weapon lock cause it stimulates a form of realism imo, different combat roles get different guns

[tiny salmon]

It's a video game

[stark panther]

In real life

[mellow prawn]

yes but I asked for something realistic

[tropic pecan]

how can you nerf ars or buff smgs to be 1:1 balanced without making them feel absurdly arcadey

[inland pumice]

not more realistic than arma, but better than cod and fortnite

BF is like in the middle

[tropic pecan]

and smg is essentially just a weaker ar

[edgy elk]

you do know that everyone in the u.s military has to qualify using an m4 rifle?

[stark panther]

just meet me in the middle

[stray kayak]

BFV SMGs were perfectly competitive, so there's already precedent for this

[mellow prawn]

weapon damage is not realistic

[spring plume]

nobody know whats avalible yet, i still think this entire discussion is pointless until everyone trys it

[inland pumice]

exactly

[mellow prawn]

the vehicles are also not realistic

[inland pumice]

uhm yes they are

nu uh!

[stark panther]

Stop with the realism argument

[mellow prawn]

destruction really isnt even realistic, its heavily dramatized

[tropic pecan]

im not talking about the new game im just hear to talk about whether weapon lock is good or bad

[stark panther]

Its a game things have to not be super realistic

[inland pumice]

nuh uh!

[tropic pecan]

there are two types of "realistic"

[tiny salmon]

You expect a lot from a video game

[mellow prawn]

im not the one that brought it up, I dont actually like realism

jesus christ do you guys have short term memory loss or what

[stark panther]

Dramatized is a good word for it actually

[uneven hollow]

humans in bf aren’t realistic

[inland pumice]

but but... bf is pretty realistic

[stray kayak]

I'm just happy I will get to use (redacted) as Support when it would have probably been locked to some other class

[mellow prawn]

not really? lol

[quartz ingot]

No one is getting revived after getting downed like 3 times lol

[tropic pecan]

james bond is not realistic, but that doesn't mean people wouldn't care if he did a fortnite RPG ride

[mellow prawn]

realistic refers to reality, of which there is one

[tropic pecan]

no hate dude but you seem like really noncurious tbh

[mellow prawn]

there is more or less, true, but not more than one

[inland pumice]

many actually, depending on your beliefs 🙂

[stark panther]

I was the one lol, and everyone except jolly ignored the arma / operation flashpoint part

[mellow prawn]

I just appreciate the definition of words

[fair parcel]

we dont do grammar around here buddy

[tiny salmon]

Get the haptic vest that shocks you when you get hit

[mellow prawn]

they should make heli players wear those

[stark panther]

It takes like a minute to reload a rocket launcher in operation flashpoint

Too much realism there lol

[tropic pecan]

Okay then no game ever is remotely realistic because theres no dedicated breathing button

and since no game is realistic, theres no reason not to add wizardy to it

[stark panther]

Imo atleast still awesome series

[mellow prawn]

Battlefield is so far detached from reality that you cant really call it realistic

[tropic pecan]

like this is what this argument feels like to me

[stark panther]

Read the rest

[mellow prawn]

humans breathe subconsciously

[tropic pecan]

is "cinematic" better

[inland pumice]

but it is

[tropic pecan]

it feels like an action movie

[mellow prawn]

yeah

that is better

[tropic pecan]

but action movies still have rules

[tiny salmon]

Video. Game.

[mellow prawn]

and its a different word!

[mellow prawn]

yeah no shit

[stark panther]

Cinematic is a better word

[inland pumice]

but cinematic can also be realistic

[stark panther]

Thats perfect tbh

[mellow prawn]

it can be

[tropic pecan]

you were the one using the word! i was just explaining why people use that concept

[stark panther]

Exactly

[mellow prawn]

but its not always

[tropic pecan]

like

[stark panther]

Immersion

[tropic pecan]

in a war movie

[stark panther]

CINEMATIC IMMERSION

[tropic pecan]

things happen that are not realistic

[inland pumice]

so BF is cinematic in a realistic way

[tropic pecan]

but they are grounded within the movie's setting

[stark panther]

THE LAST SCENE OF CIVIL WAR

[tropic pecan]

like

[stark panther]

THATS CINEMATIC

[quartz ingot]

Bros just trolling lol

[mellow prawn]

and I was telling you that the concept was wrongly applied, no matter how popular it is to do so

[tropic pecan]

a building collapsing because a tank drove into it

[stark panther]

No u

[inland pumice]

nuh huh!

[tiny salmon]

It would be cool if they implemented the same kind of mechanic as Tarkov physics for bullet drop

[inland pumice]

hows it different?

[tropic pecan]

which is unrealistic, but it would go from unrealistic to immersion breaking if a scrawny civilian sniper picked up a heavy machine gun and did and lmg walk while firing

[mellow prawn]

BF is very much an action movie and thats good

[stark panther]

Why couldnt you be like this to shinji

[mellow prawn]

exactly my point, its all unrealistic anyway, you cant call it realistic

you can call it immersive

[tropic pecan]

the same way the generic meathead machinegunner would look ridiculous if he picked up a snipers rifle and nailed someone from 500m awaay

[stark panther]

I get pissed when i see fake shit in military action movies

[quartz ingot]

Bf is like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie in the 80s

[stark panther]

Needs to be black hawk down level

[edgy elk]

you can do this in bf3 and bf4?

[tiny salmon]

There are multiple factors including distance that change the trajectory and pen value

[stray kayak]

yeah i wanna see real shit

[tropic pecan]

im not here to defend those games as the holy gospel bro

[stark panther]

REAL POO

[tropic pecan]

im just saying i think weapon lock is good

[inland pumice]

sounds about right, my point of ref is arma for that stuff

but might be too complex for BF

[quartz ingot]

I see both sides to it. So idc

[stark panther]

I think you are right. I think the devs will listen

[tiny salmon]

And the armor is only effective when the bullet hits the plate but it has to pen the fabric first then the plate then it does damage

[stark panther]

Make a system like 3 where there were a few select guns every class could use

[edgy elk]

i think weapon lock is bad. Also people can realistically qualify on multiple weapons in the military.

[inland pumice]

ehhhhhhhhh too complex imo

[tropic pecan]

realistic argument part 37

[stark panther]

But 95% lock

[edgy elk]

but that was your point?

[tropic pecan]

the classes arent supposed to feel like real military roles

[edgy elk]

i know

[tropic pecan]

theyre supposed to feel like cliches

the sniper literally wears a bandana in half the games lol

[inland pumice]

but sniper is a real military role 😮

and so i medic

[stark panther]

Qualify but are they assigned to multiple weapons for a deployment or mission? Nah lol

[tiny salmon]

I really dislike a chest plate giving you head to toe armor coverage imo

[inland pumice]

oh totally agree, but is that the case in bf?

[tiny salmon]

Fair

[edgy elk]

i really don't understand your argument about cliches

[stark panther]

Assaulters are snipers in real life all the time

[inland pumice]

i dont think BF even has plate-hit detection

[tropic pecan]

look at what the support and recon look like in bf4

[crimson frigate]

who wants to play bf on playstation?

[inland pumice]

prolly just like limbs, chest, head hitboxes

[tropic pecan]

the support looks like he could break the recon like a twig, especially for the CN team

[edgy elk]

yeah, but they can pick up different weapons in the game.

so your point makes no sense

[tropic pecan]

yeah, and i think thats silly

[edgy elk]

why?

[tropic pecan]

why are you appealing to the mechanics in the game like its the holy bible?

[tiny salmon]

All I'm saying is if it did the armor should only be effective where it is

[edgy elk]

you're the one that mentioned bf4?

and it contradicts you?

[tropic pecan]

because of the character designs

what?

[stark panther]

My favourite game that acknowledges armoured plates is max payne 3

[livid bay]

You can pick up weapons mid-match, yeah

Spawning with that weapon every time is a different story though

[tropic pecan]

was my argument "its in bf4 and i agree with everything in bf4"

[stark panther]

Love mag dumping guys in vests in that game

Feels so unique

[tropic pecan]

or was it just an example ive been using

[edgy elk]

i'm confused.

[stark panther]

Like max payne 33333

[edgy elk]

you're saying that you should be able to use a sniper if you start as a support?

[tropic pecan]

listen, its fine if you dislike weapon lock, a lot of people do, but it feels like non of the anti-weapon lock people are even trying to listen to what the pro-weapon lock people are saying.

like if you only read the arguments you guys are saying, you would think ive only cycled between saying "realism" and "bf4 gospel"

[tropic pecan]

shouldn't

[edgy elk]

why?

[tropic pecan]

can i ask you something and you give me an honest answer

rq

[edgy elk]

sure

[tropic pecan]

is there any realistic chance

that someone here could say something

[stark panther]

Like if someones wearing a plate (in a video game) it should encourage shooting them in the head etc

[tropic pecan]

within the next hour

[stray kayak]

it's not you but it's funny seeing that online. A lot of BF4 players will be fine with a few unlocked categories, but absolutely refuse to agree to anything besides Carbines, DMRs and shotguns because that's how the most perfect game of all time did it lol

[tropic pecan]

that would cause you to change your mind

[stark panther]

Me

[tropic pecan]

bc it really feels like your arguing with me, not because you want to understand my point, but because you already think im wrong and want to convince me that i am wrong

[stark panther]

But i try to be open to change lol

[livid bay]

class-based weapons give each class a more unique identity

[tiny salmon]

One taps all day

[spring plume]

nobody changes their mind here, its either you like it, dont like it, or want to test it before making an opinion

[tropic pecan]

yes, the weapons are defined by their guns :)

assault is the ar class

[frozen ore]

Class locked weapons also gives deeper unlocks for that class, which is incentive to play it

[chrome thorn]

Just got an Invite for BFLab but it's on the days when I am going on vacation and can't take my pc with me. Fuck my luck

[stark panther]

All seriousness in 2025 identity matters😜🤓

[spring plume]

surely if you say you cant make it that puts you at the top for next time right xd

[tropic pecan]

okay so if you dont think youd ever change your mind and dont think anyone else would, why argue in a discord about it, it seems like a waste of time

[small summit]

At least you get invites to BFLabs. lol

[stray kayak]

I'm fine with locked categories, but the only ones I think are worth locking are LMGs (beeg mag), shotguns, (one tap bad reee), and bolt actions (get off the hill and go to the flag pls)

[chrome thorn]

I think I have to decline this time. Fuck

[edgy elk]

honestly, probably not because it's become weapon lock imo is arbitary.

and honestly leads to more people playing the class with the most op weapon

[livid bay]

Honestly, add assault rifles, and I'd be fine with that

Carbines are the all-class replacement for assault rifles

[tropic pecan]

okay so if you agree you'd never change your mind in here, why argue with me

[small summit]

"everyone will be Assault class, and when everyone's Assault, no one will be"

[chrome thorn]

Was just checking BF reddit nd picked my phone to see how much it's charged nd boom there's the email

[edgy elk]

because I don't get how cliche's play into anything

[stark panther]

Lmao

[tropic pecan]

but i will thank you for being upfront about that so i dont waste my time

[edgy elk]

and maybe i could change your mind.

[tiny salmon]

Arguing about arguing lol

[tropic pecan]

why should i bother responding to this if you say youll never change your mind

[tropic pecan]

this is exactly what it is

[edgy elk]

then we agree to disagree?

[tropic pecan]

you wont listen to what i am saying but i should listen to what you are saying

[frozen ore]

No they were arguing about contradiction!

[stray kayak]

Sorry but ARs are too culturally popular to lock, and it doesn't solve the problem because people will then choose the class with ARs and ignore the gadgets

[spring plume]

i play vehicles only mate, dosnt matter to me one way or another. I just dont see the appeal in ristricting choice for the sake of restricting choice. considering there are many unknown factors on balance, weapon choices, map layout etc, and resort to testing things out before blindly being doomer ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic pecan]

i mean again, thats your opinion but if you feel that way why argue about it

[edgy elk]

because your arguement makes no sense?

[tropic pecan]

it will never make sense to you since you admitted you arent here to listen youre here to argue lol

[quartz ingot]

Do you two even remember what you are arguing about

[tropic pecan]

yes

dw

[stark panther]

I dont agree with that at all, you cant even get ar’s where i live in north america, its really an american (usa) thing the great ar love

[tropic pecan]

xd

[edgy elk]

no

[spring plume]

because people trying to force others to play the game their way isnt the way it should be

[quartz ingot]

And there it is

[tropic pecan]

noone is forcing anyone to do anything

[stark panther]

Tho i want an ar dont get me wrong on that lol

[livid bay]

Literally every big category is culturally popular. Plus, assault in this game is based around being the main push class. Removing the main reason to use it (ARs), just ruins the whole point of the class

[edgy elk]

because i have zero idea what the conversation was about.

[grave shard]

need a squad battlefield 5! name is XauvidTV

[spring plume]

so you are ok with no weapon lock then? see, its that easy

[edgy elk]

gadgets should be the main reason to use it imo

[stark panther]

Majority of population doesnt know the difference between an ar and other guns

[tropic pecan]

are there devs in this chat?

who here is implementing or removing weapon lock

noone

[spring plume]

devs always lurking yes

[stark panther]

I would assume always yes

[livid bay]

I agree, they should be the main reason. Guns should be the secondary reason though

[tropic pecan]

so noone in here is forcing you to do anything

[cinder sleet]

BF4 did it best. Best middle ground. Class identity kept, can still run around with a PDW with recon. Ez.

[stark panther]

I hope they are listening no hate you guys rock

But we want class locked guns majority

[tropic pecan]

okay but i am not a dev, i am not forcing you to play differently

[edgy elk]

i don't see the issue with a recon with an assault rifle tho

[tropic pecan]

if you feel like you cant play a certain way because of an opinion you read in a discord channel, that is on you

[spring plume]

but advocating the restriction of weapons to specific classes is forcing people to play the way you want 🙂

[stark panther]

No its not

[tropic pecan]

??

[stark panther]

At all lmao

What kinda logic

Thats so wack

[spring plume]

if you dont understand that, thats on you

[cinder sleet]

Nonono, how the class ‘should’ be played. Lmao

[stray kayak]

You can push with plenty of other types, shotguns and smgs are arguably better suited for that.

[tropic pecan]

is any game balance discussion ever "forcing people to play your way"

[stark panther]

I understand what your saying, dont agree, not true lmao want everyone to have fun

[edgy elk]

SL spawning only should come back and matters far more to teamplay than weapon lock.

[stark panther]

Everyguns in the game to use ach

No ones restricting you

Just pick the class with da gun

[spring plume]

so i should be able to use a ar on a reacon then, thanks man

[stark panther]

Read the rest of what i said son

Like cmon

Lmao

[spring plume]

so you are restricting me

k

[tropic pecan]

hey, if we are all about player freedom, i think everyone should have access to every piece of equipment as well

[quartz ingot]

He might not, but the game might lol

[stray kayak]

REAL

[stark panther]

If you buy the game no gun is restricted lol…

[quartz ingot]

Like what are you even talking about

[tropic pecan]

hey, we should give every player 4 weapon slots, if you dont like that, keep it to yourself, dont force us to play it your way

[fair parcel]

Im curious to see how they can create enough distinction between the classes with so many shared weapons and gadgets. Hopefully it works out

[stray kayak]

Lowkey wish we had 5 classes to separate ammo and healing

[stark panther]

Fully lol, the argument Ach is making is silly no offence to them

[livid bay]

Remove challenges too. Can't have anyone complaining about needing to unlock the op weapons

[tropic pecan]

true, such a dated limitation

and let me click anywhere i want to spawn, why should teammates and spawn beacons limit my player freedom

limitations are a hinderance to fun

overwatch 2 wouldnt have failed if tracer could equip widowmakers gun

[spring plume]

yall pretending like you wont be to busy complaining about armor being op and the weapon lock stuff wont be entirely ignored when you play the game anyway

[edgy elk]

if people think weapon lock is important for teamplay, then they should also advocate for the removal for spawning on anyone in your squad.

[livid bay]

Would be good, yeah. The ammo-healing issue was always fixed by giving one of them to assault, but having independent medic and support would be a good solution too

[edgy elk]

but i rarely see that.

[spring plume]

its the same cycle every release

[compact river]

hello everynyan

[tropic pecan]

yeah

i remember when everyone said 2042 would be cheeks, well who's laughing now gamers?

[tawny vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[uneven hollow]

Isn’t it still

[tropic pecan]

like all the arguments about trust the process fail when you realise the last big release was dogwater

[spring plume]

its always next game is cheeks, i miss previous game

[compact river]

my good buddy @round phoenix said it would suck and here we are 1200+hrs later lol

[tropic pecan]

yeah... throwback to black ops 4 and cod ghosts...

like come on

2042 will not be treated like a hidden gem

[stray kayak]

I plan on fully fulfilling my class role, but i will probably use a gun that will make people seethe because it's "not the right type". It's really funny that simply my choice of weapon will anger people despite the fact I always get into the top portion on the scoreboard from fulfilling my class role and PTFO

[fair parcel]

I miss my wife

[tropic pecan]

it is not "kinda mid" its absolute cheeks

also

[edgy elk]

it's better than being a doomer tbf

[tropic pecan]

2042 is 4 years old

[spring plume]

when bf6 launches you will see a lot of people say this, they did the same thing with hardline

[tropic pecan]

we are past the point of "it will grow on us"

[livid bay]

Y'know, I have a question for all the 2042 fans that want no class-locked weapons:

Why don't you just let the og players have an old-style Battlefield and just play 2042? It's what we've been doing with 4 since 2013

[tropic pecan]

hardline is actually the perfect example of mid and underwhelming but not absolutely terrible

[edgy elk]

you could just play bf4 lol

[spring plume]

difference with 6 tho is they are doing these lab testing for feedback

[tropic pecan]

people call it underrated, noone says it was the best

[livid bay]

And you can just play 2042

[edgy elk]

i don't like 2042

[cinder sleet]

Ya no one does

[tropic pecan]

ugh... another boomer gamer not adapting to change

[livid bay]

The difference is that 2042 is new gen and 4 is 12 years old. We're due for a good old-style BF

[cinder sleet]

Because it broke w tradition

[edgy elk]

there are bigger issues with 2042 than no weapon lock.

[stray kayak]

Just make a community server with locked guns if it's such a big deal. Surely it won't be difficult to fill up a few and have a thriving discord server since there's soooooo many who care about this

[livid bay]

I will if we have a server browser

But Dice hasn't mentioned anything about it so far

[tropic pecan]

"community server" brother i wish

[stray kayak]

It is imperative that people do not get distracted, as the time to demand it will be after the marketing starts

[edgy elk]

what is an good old-style bf?

is it bf1942

2142?

bf2?

[stray kayak]

I think for community servers there will be decent options, but such things cannot be elaborated on.

[tropic pecan]

i dont consider it old-style but bf4 is one of the best shooter games of all time

[edgy elk]

that's a fair take. I just don't think the new bf should just copy everything from bf4

i like change

[tropic pecan]

people will say "people hated it at the time" like yeah. maybe within 4 months of launch. 2042 has been trashed on (for good reason) for almost 4 years now

[tropic pecan]

i agree

[spring plume]

4 months?

[tropic pecan]

but my argument is that

[spring plume]

it was unplayable for 6

[livid bay]

The current ideal for old-style bf is 3-4

The real old BF players will say BF2, but imo that's far too different from the recent games (even excluding 2042)

[fair parcel]

I think 2042 is an ok game, but a shit battlefield game.

If that makes sense

[tropic pecan]

you are making my argument for me

2042 is still considered one of the worst modern fps games 4 years later

[livid bay]

It's deltaforce if they actually released content and didn't have sbmm

[tropic pecan]

it goes on sale for like 8 dollars on steam

[livid bay]

So a decent game

[stray kayak]

The gameplay will be closer to BFV, and that's clear based on what they have officially confirmed

[tropic pecan]

and still has overwhelmingly negative reviews

[edgy elk]

BFV actually has pretty cool mechanics that should come back.

[stray kayak]

Yes, gimme manual leaning DICE NOW

[livid bay]

Fair. Imo it should have a similar movement system to V, a similar immersion level to 1, the core systems of 4 like gamemodes and class system, and HL's gunplay

[tropic pecan]

the general consensus 4 YEARS LATER for 2042 is literally "buy on a discount and have fun with it for a week or weekend", noone is praising it

the idea that that will magically change is goofy

[fair parcel]

Did someone say that? 😮

[edgy elk]

Yeah, i just feel there is better ways to make classes feel distinct and include more teamplay outside of weapon lock.

[tropic pecan]

someone was arguing that 2042 will be praised by people as soon as the new game comes out because of the cycle of "hate the new game, praise the last game"

[spring plume]

is it bad or does stigma just stick longer now and people just refuse to make their own opinion? same thing happened with diablo 4. people just hear something and adopt it as their own

[fair parcel]

Ah I get ya, yeah that’s not gonna happen.

[stray kayak]

gunplay systems seem to be built off of BFV based on the description they gave, but it's impossible to tell what it feels like yet

[livid bay]

Yk, I really wish the Battlefront resurgence would've been for Hardline instead of battlefront 2

Such a good game that's now lost to a dead multiplayer

[rotund rapids]

Has anyone received a playtest invite today?

[tropic pecan]

diablo 4 was not NEARLY as negatively recieved as 2042, people still played it a lot and enjoyed it

the negativity was largely around its insane monetization, not its core gameplay design

[stray kayak]

nice try EA employee

[livid bay]

Yeah. That's what the open beta is for

If we get one

[rotund rapids]

You can't say you got an invite even on here or something?

[livid bay]

It's in the nda to not share any details including anything about the email

[edgy elk]

yes, it goes against the nda

[tropic pecan]

i feel like its worth noting that games are designed to be fun. even a shitty game can still be fun, the idea of "idk i thought it was fun at times" is an argument that it was still a game, not that it was a good game

[spring plume]

"is there any realistic chance
that someone here could say something
that could cause you to change your mind"

remember this? same thing.

[stray kayak]

I expect we'll get a closed alpha, then maybe an open alpha and of course an open beta. Maybe more if they keep the same testing style as rn

[open knot]

Hi guys i am being try to sign up for BF labs for a while now.

Everytime I click on signup it takes me to EA playtesting and when I sign into my account it shows nothing about bf labs

Is this normal?

[tropic pecan]

the difference is weapon lock is subjective. you are making a statement that i think its literally just wrong

diablo 4 was not as hated as 2042. People actually played Diablo 4

[livid bay]

Perhaps. It'd be really good if they did

[livid bay]

People play 2042? It's the 3rd most popular BF on steam

It is losing to a 9 year old game, but it has players

[spring plume]

except if you ask anyone in the arpg space they will say "lel d4 bad", which is the point im trying to make. its the same way people in the battlefield space will say "lel 2042 bad"

[stray kayak]

pretty sure you want it to show nothing about bf labs, as it means you already signed up. You can update preferences under profile, as it allegedly increases chances to get in (from 0.0000000000001 to 0.0000000000002)

[tropic pecan]

diablo 4 has like

180k daily players to 2042's 10k

they are not comparable

[open knot]

Thanks man

[tropic pecan]

yeah sure both of them are overly dunked on, but that doesnt mean they are the same caliber of game

if anything d4 got MORE hate because people actually PLAYED IT ENOUGH to see the issues with it lmaoo

2042 was largely just "oh this sucks.." and everyone moved on in like a month

xd

[tropic wharf]

Bro is spitting and he has a Eva pfp

[spring plume]

i dont think it sucked, it just tried to many new things all at once and people didn't want to deal with it or learn.

[zealous lark]

Bonjour, j'ai un problème de mise à jour de Battlefield 2042 qui ne veut pas se mettre à jour. Qui peux m'aider ? Amicalement Bernard.

[stray kayak]

2042 is fundamentally bad to its core, and it is impossible to fix that game as it was built on sand and prayers. I'm not talking about skins or characters, I'm talking about the underlying code and mechanics

[tropic pecan]

i mean i think it was a bad game but ill agree that people were unnecessarily negative due to change

[edgy elk]

it suffered because the game was fundamentally a mess that was far behind the times.

[livid bay]

If there was, I'd support it. There just isn't a good way I can imagine doing it without weapon lock

The "signature weapons" feature is literally useless. It already exists in 2042 and is barely noticeable. Imo gadgets don't do enough to make them feel distinct. It's just better to use the tried and true system of weapon lock

[round phoenix]

@compact river said he will be your new wife

[tropic pecan]

unrelated hot take but playing with 120 fov is just as ridiculous as 70 fov, be normal and play with 90-105 like a real person

[edgy elk]

Squad Leader spawning only instantly makes team work matter far more.

Things like commanders or even SL call in's.

[stray kayak]

The unlocked weapon backlash primarily comes from emotions relating to BF2042 and BFV to an extent. If it was introduced in a well made game, then the discussion would look very different. (im not saying it would be positive, just different)

[edgy elk]

Hell, I think archetypes in BFV worked really well to make distinctions.

[tropic pecan]

i would be more okay with it being removed if there was more identity and care put into the actual classes

but if classes are just glorified equipment slots then whats the point

[livid bay]

I actually kinda like that

[edgy elk]

and also squad revives was a huge plus

[stray kayak]

They could make it more indepth, even giving unique reload animations to the signature weapons

[solid hinge]

Am I the only one that feels like there is NO immersion when playing 2042? This game has no soul literally

[summer forge]

Nope welcome to the club

[tropic pecan]

before anyone tries to nitpick what you said here i'll just say the obvious that a game can be unrealistic and still be immersive

you can be immersed in a fantasy game

[solid hinge]

I mean of course you can

[tropic pecan]

not saying you disagree

just saying that bc people here went beserk over realism discourse earlier

[spring plume]

it does its job at being a sandbox experience, which is what battlefield is

[solid hinge]

are u serious lul

[solar bone]

Hi

[tropic pecan]

yes

like semanticly i mean

[solid hinge]

bruh

[stray kayak]

We'll need to wait and see, as there are more to the bf6 classes than just the gadgets. Could be great, could be terrible. Text descriptions and leeks don't cut it compared to playing it yourself

[livid bay]

The thing is, if they're slightly off with balancing, it would either make it borderline op (which would basically require everyone to use the proper weapons for each class; why not class lock at that point) or make it unnoticeable and have the same issue as 2042

[tropic wharf]

There’s no immersion because there’s no world. Any semblance of narrative or backstory is impossible to find in the maps in 2042

[summer forge]

For nitpick, 1 and 5 are more “realism” and immersion

[solar bone]

When thay chose battlefield test game

[summer forge]

I did use air quotes

[livid bay]

Realism is the wrong wording. They're just more immersive

[tropic pecan]

honestly hot take. it feels like crazy to say but

if they remove weapon lock, i think it could be reasonable to change core attributes of the classes to give them identity and incentives to use certain weapons (better handling on one class, better armor on another, better mantling/vaulting, etc etc)

like its absurd to think about but

[solid hinge]

the biggest issue in 2042 is that everyone is encouraged to play like they are the main character instead of syngergizing and strategizing like in previous titles, and this is mostly due to universal weapon freedom amongst classes and dumb special agents. What happened to battlefield being about brotherhood?

[tropic pecan]

supports are usually slow and clunky bc they use lmgs

[rotund rapids]

So can you or can you not say that you got an invite? I thought you didn't sign the NDA until after you accepted the invite

[tropic pecan]

engineers are usually nimble bc they use smgs

[tropic pecan]

idk i think you arent supposed to

[edgy elk]

I mean, that's why weapon lock should go I think. You don't need weapons to make classes distinct.

[spring plume]

well that is what they outlined in the blog post no?

[tropic pecan]

link

im ootl

[spring plume]

how you have different bonuses for specific weapon types

[tropic pecan]

im unfamiliar with the new game

[edgy elk]

Yeah, that's literally what this is all about.

[tropic pecan]

huh

thats different

[spring plume]

#1374763710169616525 message

[tropic pecan]

im talking about class bonuses

not weapon bonuses

[spring plume]

yes

[solid hinge]

hard disagree, one of the main reasons for class distinctions is because of the weapons

[spring plume]

its in there

[solid hinge]

example: recon being about snipers

[livid bay]

A lot of the people who are against weapon lock are also against classes having unique speed, health, etc

They "don't want different classes to have different ttk"

[tropic pecan]

oh i see

[spring plume]

they also said recon spots while ads

which is a class bonus

[edgy elk]

Recon should be more about scouting and spotting instead of sniping,

[solid hinge]

oh wow you get to breathe for a longer duration 😮

[tropic pecan]

yeah im fine with that

[stray kayak]

Eh, they will tweak over time if changes are needed. Just gotta ask enough times if you think something is under or over powered. I take credit for bothering them enough that they buffed the RSC SMG back in the BF1 days lol

[tropic pecan]

my main problem is fundamentally that i want the classes to feel different

so they dont just play like glorified custom classes from cod

equipment is not enough to justify it

[livid bay]

The classes need to feel different or they aren't classes

[stray kayak]

oh i ain't against it, i remember the BFV subclassss

[spring plume]

will just have to see what the other classes do as they reveal them

[tropic pecan]

yeah

[solid hinge]

so why not have weapon lock in that situation as snipers are best suited for that role

[tropic pecan]

i will argue though that the bonuses need to be substantial

[solid hinge]

I don't wanna see medics on the frontlines quickscoping lmao

or medics going 1 - 29 on the back on the map

[summer forge]

Just bring back squad revive and squad points

[tropic pecan]

assault having faster health regen and support getting larger reserves is not enough to justify removing weapon lock imo

[spring plume]

bros acting like the medic is not gonna revive them regardless

[summer forge]

With a call in system to spend squad points on

[solid hinge]

thats one of the problems 2042 has

[spring plume]

thats every battlefield man

[stray kayak]

Waaaaaah it won't let me post the singular BFV alpha pic of the subclasses with different stats like speed and health

[spring plume]

its not an exclusive 2042 issue

[livid bay]

Support having larger reserves is useless anyways since support has an ammo box lol

[summer forge]

Give players a reason to play as a squad again to get those game changing call in’s

[edgy elk]

A recon with an AR is more beneficial to the team instead of one with a sniper who camps on the edge of the map.

[solid hinge]

Yes and no
These types of issues are more relevant in 2042

[tropic pecan]

the bonuses IMO need to be fundamental

stats like movespeed, handling speed, armor, etc

stuff that you feel in every instance

not like

situational stuff like

[summer forge]

Theyre hyper focused on gun talk now lol

[tropic pecan]

engineers can spot mines or something

[stray kayak]

if you get enough squad points you should be able to kiss your squadmates yes that would be a good idea

[spring plume]

the main discussion was that if you want to use a weapon thats locked behind a medic class, you will more often than not have people playing medic for that weapon instead of wanting to be the healer / reviver

[tropic pecan]

otherwise classes are just like

perks

and not

classes

[solid hinge]

Then why not just go assault atp, since your on the frontlines

it just doesnt make any sense

its goofy

[stray kayak]

dual rifle nades in bf1

[summer forge]

You prefer solo play, you’re bias against it out the gate lol

[solid hinge]

battlefield is not cod

[tropic pecan]

the weapon is always the most definitive aspect of a player's kit, so you REALLY need to counteract it if you want to make the classes feel unique

[solid hinge]

Battlefield is a game about synergy and strategy

its the same argument used with marvel rivals

[spring plume]

god, i want whatever you are smoking man

[solid hinge]

"Nobody wants to play healer!!!"

[tropic pecan]

i think the opposite is true

[solid hinge]

then you lose.

[tropic pecan]

people play medic for the gun

[stray kayak]

why would i suggest that if i don't like squad play i just wanted to introduce squad play

[tropic pecan]

then are like "i guess ill revive people now"

[solid hinge]

Battlefield isn't about K/D

[tropic pecan]

boom

easy fix to no medics

[livid bay]

I'd argue that that is actually good

Whenever I wanted to use medic weapons on 1, I ended up reviving people anyways because why not

[tropic pecan]

exactly

i play assault on rush because of the ak and end up with 20 revives by the end of the game

[spring plume]

tell that to the 100's of people that walk over you instead

[tropic pecan]

despite never intending to play the medic role

[summer forge]

Because I read the sarcastic dry humor in your comment lol

[tropic pecan]

i feel like we just dont play the same game then

[edgy elk]

I mean, it can work the other way around too.

[tropic pecan]

there are a million problems with battlefield players

[stray kayak]

"i don't wanna revive people, i will choose selfish things like nade launchers" is the accurate scenario

[spring plume]

guess not

[edgy elk]

I don't like medic guns, but I actually like being a healer.

[tropic pecan]

not reviving is not one of them

[livid bay]

That's an issue no matter what. It happens in 4, it happens in 1, it happens in V, and it happens in 2042

[tropic pecan]

if anything, i get revived more than i need to

[solid hinge]

Why do you think that is?

[spring plume]

you must be playing bfv all the time

[stray kayak]

it be like that sometimes

[tropic pecan]

because its never been a problem for me

i have always been revived at least a handful of times in any game lasting longer than 10 minutes

[summer forge]

Exactly lol solo players don’t really get a say in squad stuff

[tropic pecan]

bf4

[livid bay]

I swear, we should completely remove crossplay and segregate the chats based on what you play on.

PC, PS, and Xbox all play completely differently. That's why these inconsistencies are so prevalent

[summer forge]

THIS

[tropic pecan]

i think we are all PC LOL

[solid hinge]

in 2042, It has been for me personally, everybody is running around using META weapons thinking that theyre better than everybody else, forgetting what their role is

[tropic pecan]

except manual ig

[livid bay]

I'm PS and PC

[tropic pecan]

but i would assume xbox players are more squad inclined if anything

[stray kayak]

I can't wait to use all sorts of wacky things as Medic/Support in the next game. I hope I can make something like the RSC SMG, I love low mag heavy hitters

Some ppl will use unlocked guns for meta stuff, while i intend on killing them with weird niche things lol

[livid bay]

PS is by far more casual and squad-based

[tropic pecan]

that doesnt really happen in bf4

im ngl i think people play 2042 to just hop on and fuck around with the guns and leave

[summer forge]

PS

[spring plume]

as you should

[solid hinge]

thats why I advocate for class lock

this isnt cod

[edgy elk]

In BF4, all people do is play assault so they can use the meta weapons.

[summer forge]

Squad based yes, casual hardly on bf v lol

[stray kayak]

I'd play BF1 forever if i was able to use the Maschinenpistole Experimental as Medic 😩

[tropic pecan]

okay but if you believe this is a valid way to play then you also cant complain about not getting revived

[jolly fog]

[livid bay]

Fair. I don't play V often. I mainly do 4 and 1

[tropic pecan]

and they end up reviving people anyways

like this is where im confused

they dont play the class to play as a medic, but they end up playing the role anyways

so whats the problem

was there not enough love in the revive

[livid bay]

I never understand people using meta guns religiously. I just play to have fun.

My favorite strategy is jeep ramming. It does 0 damage, but it messes with enemy tanks and is so fun

[edgy elk]

Most of them really don't

[stray kayak]

I never felt like I got consistently revived until BFV, because it was impossible for people to remove the revive option

[summer forge]

5 was heavily squad and clan active on PS

[edgy elk]

You'd be suprised.

[spring plume]

i was just saying that people play for the gun first and the class second. Battlefield has always been a sandbox game, idk where people got this tactical fantasy from

[tropic pecan]

again people keep saying this but i feel like this is WAYYY overblown

[solid hinge]

Battlefield being tactical was what made it iconic

[tropic pecan]

yes it happens, but i get revived more often then not the vast majority of times an assault is near me when i go down

[spring plume]

its never been tactical tho?

[stray kayak]

the thrill of killing someone in non-meta ways is like no other. It's such a flex, especially if you rack up service stars

[tropic pecan]

gtg bye bye

[solid hinge]

what is your definition of tactical

[small summit]

It's to pad stats in a game franchise where K/D is a footnote lol

[spring plume]

r6

[dire crypt]

I still play it because it’s the only big game I can get all my friend to play together. I’d love a good alternative but it’s like pulling teeth. Everyone hates it, but there’s not enough universal love for another one

[tropic pecan]

siege??

[livid bay]

Fr. Knife kills, running people over, etc gives so much dopamine

[spring plume]

yes, siege is very tacticle, it just happens way faster at higher levels

[solid hinge]

being tactical is the act of adaptive strategy in order to achieve a goal

[tropic wharf]

bro has to be trolling

[tropic pecan]

you mean gameplay wise not immersion wise right? you can literally send holograms at people

[livid bay]

Immersion does not mean realism

Immersion just means immersion

[snow ice]

Just got my email, check yours people!

[tropic pecan]

bc then thats more an appeal to competitive games than anything

[spring plume]

yeah and its not that, the only "strategy" has been to zergy point to point and throw bodies at an objective

[tropic pecan]

sending a hologram at someone who is dressed up as a pizza delivery guy is not immersive

[spring plume]

yes, gameplay, idgaf about immersion, im not a larper

[tropic pecan]

do you consider CS tactical?

[stray kayak]

Honestly gun restrictions was what finally burnt me out on BF1 after 700 hours. I wanted to play Medic because I love healing and reviving, but Assault had my fav weird freak guns and I hated the explosive oriented class role.

[spring plume]

yes

[solid hinge]

there is a lot more that goes into capturing an objective but sure

[tropic pecan]

then i feel like you are just using tactical to mean tacshooter generally, like competitive high ttk

[livid bay]

If you feel like you're a part of the game world while you do it, it is technically immersive

[tropic pecan]

rather than an aesthetic

[solid hinge]

vehicle placements, flanks

air support

cqc

the act of being tactical is to be a quick thinker

[livid bay]

The holograms of siege aren't immersive because they don't fit the game's original realism level

[solid hinge]

synergize with the team

[spring plume]

mate, if you think people are actively considering those factors and not just running at the action

[solid hinge]

how will you adapt

[spring plume]

idk what to tell you

[solid hinge]

this isnt cod.

[spring plume]

you are playing some madeup fantasy game that exists within your head

[solid hinge]

Sure

[spring plume]

thats the last ill mention on it

[solid hinge]

youre just wasting team resources atp

[tidal fractal]

how long typically dose it take to get accepted into battlefield labs?

[livid bay]

Some do

[livid bay]

1 minute - never

[spring plume]

ok, but those are usually organized clans, not a bunch of random people that wanna jump on, pew pew and get ready for work the next day

[stray kayak]

you are competing against millions, so the odds are extremely low. If you get in, go spend 50 on lottery tickets

[livid bay]

I wouldn't say the casual PC player does, but the amount of PS players I've seen think about stuff like that is legit crazy

[spring plume]

if i want large scale tactics where i consider all those factors ill play planetside 2 platoons

[livid bay]

Fair. Bf isn't super tactical. Imo the tactical scale is like this: Cod < Battlefield < Siege < Insurgency < Arma

[frozen shadow]

i'm replaying the bf4 campaign to get the m249

[spring plume]

if vehicle spawns were personal and not team wide, i would say you could run tactics on a small scale, but theres to much rng to have that kind of organization tbh

[frozen shadow]

last time i got the p90

[dire crypt]

If I was asked to select a time slot and haven’t heard anything else is that different?

[livid bay]

I believe you have to choose nobody during the final cutscene

[frozen shadow]

that would give the QBZ

[livid bay]

Then I think irish

[frozen shadow]

yes

if you sacrifice hannah you get the p90

[livid bay]

Y'know, idk how I'd feel if campaign-unlocked weapons made a return

It'd make people more likely to play the campaign, but locking weapons behind it is a bit far

[frozen shadow]

i mean
if people dont wanna go through the procces of completing MP assignments or get enough weapon score, then i dont think it's that bad

[shadow shell]

Bro 😭

[fair parcel]

Not anymore

[shadow shell]

You’re not supposed to talk about it

[spring plume]

bros gonna get it taken away by breaking NDA

[fair parcel]

Already took the screenshot bro its over

[spring plume]

same

rip that guy

[shadow shell]

Hope I can get an invite at least for one

I don’t think I got it this time

[past pike]

lol