battlefield-legacy-titles

[minor matrix]

Class system and it fumbles already, great job DICE.

[stray kayak]

yeah I presume my xbox clan will return for the next game. Sadly might have to pubstomp, what can you do tho

[tired thunder]

5 minutes in, no flags left for the enemy team. so fun

paracel storm was a classic for this. poor enemy team could not even leave the base

[summer forge]

That’s if they bring back clans after leaving them out in 2042

[tired thunder]

its boring imo. but...

[void rock]

I'm pretty sure platoons were data mined

[summer forge]

4 probably was boring with clans. 1 was better. 5 was crazy fun for clans

[stray kayak]

Lack of clan and community stuff hurt the games after BF1 imo. But my clan died early BFV, so I am biased

[summer forge]

Idk how they did it but you could join a server with 4-5 clans and it would be time to play hard

[stray kayak]

BFV Frontlines was fantastic for clans, but sadly they removed it early on

[summer forge]

Ah see I found mine towards the beginning V

[tired thunder]

1 and 5 have terrible vehicle design. im not a fan. 3 and 4 have the highest skill ceiling regarding vehicles so those are my favs since i like to play with vehicles

[stray kayak]

the bad live services after BF1 drove my friends away, some of them just stopped playing and some just stayed in BF1. BFV gameplay is really good, but everything else is disappointing

[summer forge]

That makes sense. We were never vehicle players

[summer forge]

Which makes it even more pathetic that 2042 live service makes 5 look great 😂

[stray kayak]

I hope vehicles are more like 4. They were so plentiful so it was easy to get to use one during a match

[odd loom]

4 really was peak battlefield

even though when it came out everyone was salty that it was more like 3.5

[stray kayak]

Yeah it's hilarious. I'll give BFV credit for the Pacific dlc tho, that needs to be the standard going forward

[tight rain]

What a tragedy we didn’t get the eastern front

[stray kayak]

Do you remember the reaction to unlocked weapon types back then? That's a wee bit before my time on social media.

[tired thunder]

yup. so much content you cant believe they released all that content in 2013

and now with live service: 1 new map every 6 months

[summer forge]

“The first man in line gets a rifle, the second, ammunition “

[odd loom]

it wasn't really unlocked weapons, there's always been weapons that any class could use, but it's usually pretty limited

Bad Company 2 I specifically remember had the M1 as an all-class DMR option

[stray kayak]

BFV live service suffered from the absolute chaos behind the scenes, and 2042 live service was put on live support instantly to move people to the next project

[odd loom]

2042 is when they started to really shit the bed with the "balance? what's that? just give every class every gun xd!"

[stray kayak]

Sure, but I still would have thought there would be complaining because "everyone will just take carbines!!!"

[tired thunder]

bfv """""""""""""""""live service""""""""""""""""""""""" aka half the content get cancelled

literally a scam

[stray kayak]

hehehe incursions moment

[calm heart]

Random thought, but how did we go from bf3, bf4, bf1 to 2042? The difference in quality is still unbelievable

[solid hinge]

Anyone know when the next Saints Row hits

[indigo topaz]

Carbines were basically just slightly weaker ARs. I don’t remember much controversy around them

[odd loom]

The carbines (intentionally I assume) were actually not that great, they were a decent choice if you wanted a bit of range but they weren't really meta. Most people stuck to the class-specific guns because they were stronger for a reason

[glass hearth]

🫡 I'm doing my part

Hope everyone is having a good day today at Dice

[solid hinge]

A true saint

[stray kayak]

eh I always liked them. The nice thing about BF is that usually there's not much of a difference between the viability of the majority of the guns. 1 and V were especially good about stat balance.

[odd loom]

Some people like to pretend there isn't an element of balance around gun selection but it's such a brainlet take. guns will obviously impact how efficient you are at killing and some classes should be better or worse at killing because it's balanced by the utility the classes bring

logically, it should be fine that medics have worse guns because they have crazy utility with healing/rezzes, so that a more powerful class can compensate in the killing department. that's how team based class based games are designed and balanced

[solid hinge]

And this is why bad company 2 will always be the greatest battlefield ever

[odd loom]

if you have a class that can do everything and is fully self sufficient, you might as well get rid of classes lmfao

[indigo topaz]

I suspect that’s DICE’s long term goal at this point. Remember that they tried to do away with classes almost entirely back at 2042’s launch

It took a massive backlash just to get gadgets locked to specific classes again

[odd loom]

actually peak, I think the decision to give the LMG to the medic and not the ammo-man is really interesting from a balance perspective lmao

[zinc blaze]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[solid hinge]

Hangtags don't work around here bud

[zinc blaze]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[warped tapir]

#ClassLockedWeapons#No2042features

[sullen slate]

I just got my invitation to the battlefield labs play test. How do I download it after I RSVP?

[odd loom]

they want to squeeze money out of their fanbase, and cool 1337 operators that deliver one liners are all the rage following fortnite/CoD. forget that it makes no sense that there's 3 of the same unique dude on the same squad lmfao.

[zinc blaze]

right

[odd loom]

or that they're straight up fighting against themselves

[jolly fog]

DICE is really trying to self sabotage

Holy sht

[solid hinge]

EA will never make the perfect battlefield again.. there's no profit in that

[zinc blaze]

probably some shitty hire up thats calling the shots

[tepid valve]

it’s a great shame

I guess i will keep playing bf4 for the rest of my life

[solid hinge]

[tepid valve]

I never found there were any problems with classes

i thought they worked well for the most part

stop trying to reinvent the wheel

[jolly fog]

This is not a situation like CoD where you can half ass and somehow still top the charts. If they half ass the game, then the game isn't going to do well. I can't even wrap my head around it.

[zinc blaze]

they keep taking shit thats perfect, changing it and creating more problems

[tepid valve]

it’s legit their last chance too

they’ve very little goodwill left

[jolly fog]

Classes should have been locked from the start. No word on server browser and seems like there won't be one. Self sabotage. Only explanation

[stray kayak]

apparently we are back to wall running in CoD this year, honestly think BF will outsell it

[tepid valve]

Joever

Hated the wacky movement in the Futuristic cods

[stray kayak]

We'll get a server browser confirmation or denial once marketing starts and PR is more frequent

[jolly fog]

I quit CoD a few months ago hoping BF6 would be good, if it's not I might just make GTA VI and PoE 2 my go to for a few years until the FPS plague is over. BF is the last hope

[tepid valve]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[stray kayak]

yup it'll be BF1 vs IW again lol

[tepid valve]

it’s not coming

[stray kayak]

You don't know that.

[tepid valve]

[jolly fog]

No jetpacks this time but I swear the newer CoDs feel so samey and boring

[tepid valve]

i’ve only enjoyed bo6 zombies

[jolly fog]

BO6.5 in Nov

[tepid valve]

Multiplayer is just full of SBMM cancer

1 good game and you’re in with the Esports team

[stray kayak]

I remember when MW22 put me against babies because I hadn't won in 3 games. Bleak moment

[jolly fog]

Yeah this why i quit, I like zombies but I don't wanna add an additional number to their player count

This is a good test tho. If they do not address the class system and make them locked, trust is pretty much fully broken

[tight rain]

Exactly my issue with SBMM in cod. You were either fighting for your life or shooting fish in a barrel. Zero in between

I like SBMM in theory but boy was that not fun

[tepid valve]

Everyone keeps saying oh it’s only the alpha or beta or whatever, i remember people saying this for 2042, obviously it’s two different situations but we all know Dice either doesn’t learn, or does learn but half ass’s it

Hopefully it’s good

Oh yeah

[stray kayak]

teehee

[jolly fog]

It was not so bad before MW19 as lobbies stayed together and your skill rating changed very slowly. Now you just get whiplash lobbies

[sterile hill]

hihihihhihiihihihihh

[indigo topaz]

The worst part of this class weapon thing is that it’s now called into question their entire “we’re listening this time™️” approach. If they were actually taking feedback then this wouldn’t have been changed in the first place

[pulsar widget]

Was just about to say the same thing, basically

[indigo topaz]

If you think they’re going to listen to fans asking for a server browser or realistic cosmetics, think again now

[jolly fog]

Literally

[pulsar widget]

This is yet another slap to the community's face. Huge L right off the rip and they won't care. I ain't buying shit unless they get back to bf3/4 core mechanics. Any mentions of heroes or specialists and that's it, over and done with.

[jolly fog]

I feel like they are trying to cater to the casuals, but istg the causal prefer the old way, NOT the new way, like most people prefer the old way. Are they high?

I hate to use a Gen Z term but they're gonna make me crashout

[modern aspen]

They're catering to the whales as usual...

[pulsar widget]

This whole facade of caring about what the community has to say is pathetic. If they aren't going to listen, I hope it all crashes and burns

They don't deserve anything from us

[spring plume]

idk, my experience is that the only people that care about sbmm are those that whine they cant top a lobby every game, or trying to "clip farm"

[plush void]

can you still get achievements in community games in bfv?

[jolly fog]

SBMM ain't even that but CoD does not use SBMm they use EOMM like Marvel Rivals, terrible manipulative system

[autumn galleon]

Where is the class system announcement?

[slow rapids]

https://youtu.be/_44Pl5aiQSU

[spring plume]

lab news

https://discordapp.com/channels/140933721929940992/1374763710169616525/1374763710169616525

[autumn galleon]

thx

[jolly fog]

Someone actually thought this was a good idea

For example, using our same ongoing test subject, the Recon class, if you select a weapon from the Sniper Rifle category, you will benefit from increased breath-holding duration. In contrast, an Assault player choosing from the same category will not receive this bonus.

[spring plume]

?

[keen mirage]

If someone recieved an invite to the wrong platform could they hypothetically switch it out or is it just one of those things that since the emails have been sent, it's done

[spring plume]

its basically saying that any class can use any weapon type, but certain classes will get bonuses with them

[jolly fog]

It's just a dumb idea though just lock it

[spring plume]

how is it a dumb idea, its a sandbox game not a milsim, lets people customize their own experience how they want

[tribal veldt]

Play COD Ground War

[jolly fog]

There ya go

[spring plume]

that dosnt say why its a dumb idea

[tribal veldt]

It's dumb because it's fixing what wasnt broken. It worked for all previous battlefields, why is it suddenly needed for the game to be successful and fun? If I'm not mistaken the one battlefield that implemented this system ate shit.

[autumn galleon]

Its just basic game balance, also it maintains class identity and defines roles

[little pebble]

remember when battlefield was good

[tribal veldt]

Your pfp is disgusting.

[waxen pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-leg-shooting-foot-epic-fail-gif-15187504

dice right now

[spring plume]

you are getting the identity and roles through the bonuses from using their "specalized" weapon types? you are still have an incentive to use specific weapons. You just have more options

[little pebble]

ya well i miss saints row

[tribal veldt]

What makes you think a little chicken shit bonus will force people to use these class specified weapons?

I doubt 90% of players will even know there's a bonus lmfao

[spring plume]

Thats a bad faith argument because nobody knows the extent of the bonuses. All they have said thusfar is recon gets auto spotting and increased breath control

[autumn galleon]

Bonuses can be ignored, I as a skilled player would happily give up a 10% reload speed boost to use an overpowered weapon on the “wrong” class, you risk everyone just cherry-picking the best guns

[tribal veldt]

So what makes you think this system will be good in the first place?

Since we have so little info on it

[spring plume]

people will pick the best guns regardless tho, except now you wont have a team of 99% players being forced into assault just to use the aek, an-94, etc

[tribal veldt]

Holy hyperbole

[spring plume]

mate, you are gonna be unhappy regardless of what they do

[autumn galleon]

Not if you want to play a specific role

[indigo topaz]

The weapons were part of the roles. Medic is intended to be close to teammates, so giving them a sniper to camp with on the edge of the map isn’t helpful. Likewise, Recon’s spotting can make them extra powerful in close quarters, so giving them the best SMGs would be overpowered. The weapons were always meant to balance the overall class with pros and cons

[tribal veldt]

I havent spoken in this server for years because of what 2042 was. I was genuinely getting excited for this next release, and then they shit out this labs announcement

[autumn galleon]

I think some guns should be available for all classes tho, like in bf4

[mild stirrup]

Thank you. Only some

[tribal veldt]

Carbines and Shotguns, ezpz

[median rose]

BF4 had the ✨PERFECT✨ class system idk how they don’t realize that

[little pebble]

is it true that if you preorder battlefield 6 youl get to play the beta to bad company 3?

[mild stirrup]

This makes your role on the battlefield feel less impactful.

[autumn galleon]

No, don't preorder

[stray kayak]

If they have to compromise for people's feelings, then ARs should just be all class since most people love them

[spring plume]

its so perfect nobody played anything but assault unless you needed to deal with a vehicle

[tribal veldt]

No???

[stray kayak]

your team impact comes from proper usage of your class gadgets

[tribal veldt]

Where is this hyperbole coming from?

[swift sigil]

Maybe in tdm, in conquest class diversity was quite balanced

[median rose]

Everyone played all classes somewhat equally

[true viper]

Anime pfp with opinion ignored

[spring plume]

lol what

[swift sigil]

Tdm was like 90% assault, conquest at most 40. Usually like 30

[little pebble]

cool story

[true viper]

Ofc the class with reviving and the AEK is gonna be the most used in tdm

[rapid plume]

Class impact and role-play dies with everyone having access to every weapon, I don’t know why the choice is to go 1/4 of the way there when the community has been asking for very class specific roles for awhile.

[livid bay]

Hmm. I smell projection

[true viper]

what is this guy thinking

[rapid plume]

Even if you’re fine with the implementation they just announced, there is a huge swathe of the community that won’t feel as excited within progression and the purpose of classes kind of disintegrates.

[mild stirrup]

Yes, it mostly comes from gadgets, but weapons of this class do matter. That's why I said it makes the roles less impactful, not completely taken away.

[elfin scroll]

For the love of God, they had better renig on this decision. Lock guns behind classes

[autumn galleon]

I hope they at least let you change it on private servers

[stray kayak]

it doesn't matter, most roles can and will be played from a wide variety of ranges.

[silent pagoda]

i wish i could play bf4 again

[true viper]

Bf3 was best

[autumn galleon]

Some guns

[swift sigil]

Just wait till they announce you can have 2 primary weapons

[elfin scroll]

Maybe shared guns between assault and support. But having a sniper rifle on a medic? Nah

[stray kayak]

those who know 💀

[mild stirrup]

That's the difference. I believe it does matter

[autumn galleon]

Yeah snipers, "assault rifles" and lmgs should be class locked

Shotguns and smgs, I dont really care that much

[stray kayak]

ARs are one of the main culprits behind people choosing classes for guns then not playing the actual class role lmao

[elfin scroll]

And that's fair. Do it like the old days of 3 and 4

[undone dragon]

I think medic should have access to ARs

[silent pagoda]

if they do that with the guns being a little loose depending on who uses it id say like just 2 classes of guns like smg/ar for assault and lmgs/shotguns for engi yadas yada

[mild stirrup]

I wonder what the play testers are saying. Like are we assuming they said lock classes or are they saying keep them open

[livid bay]

Assault in this game is literally just the rush class so that’s good

Assault should be the only class with ARs

[true viper]

There shouldn’t be a class all about rushing and killing

[indigo topaz]

One of the most underrated elements of old BF was how players were forced outside their comfort zones. Sometimes it’s fun to discover new class mechanics just because you wanted to try a different gun, or vice versa. Sad that new fans won’t experience that anymore. Nobody wants any challenge. Just their comfort zones.

[spring plume]

you want recons on the frontline also, for forward beacons

[stray kayak]

Your class role comes from gadgets, it's a problem if they ignore their gadgets no matter what the class is

[silent pagoda]

i just hope its optimized and it dont get pairing in matches with people who played since day 1

[true viper]

Bring back hardline satellite phone

[proper ridge]

Guys what bf are you playing the most now a days ?

[livid bay]

Gadgets + Guns. You’re ignoring half of all class roles

[stray kayak]

that's just revisionism, they never did that. They chose the role for the gun then refused to learn the actual class role

[unreal falcon]

is there any chance of me getting invited when I requested 12h ago?

[stray kayak]

You can easily justify the vast majority of guns to fulfill any class role, so no.

[livid bay]

It seems projection is in the air today

[little pebble]

remember when dog tags meant something

[undone dragon]

this is part of the reason why I don't mind weapon flexibility, recons also have their place closer to the action and can help pushing in

[autumn galleon]

Its not just ARs, its the swiss army role design, assault class is way too versatile imo

[livid bay]

What use does a sniper have for anti-flak vests and 5 grenades

[stray kayak]

It ain't by me, considering DICE has made this decision from years of data

[indigo topaz]

They made this decision to sell skins lol

[spring plume]

maybe they want to be a frontline acog bolter, you never know

[stray kayak]

BFV sold a huge amount of skins with class locked guns, so no

[indigo topaz]

You’re forgetting the number one rule of publicly traded companies. Line must always go up

[livid bay]

When did they do a poll to see why people choose classes?

[autumn galleon]

they can always sell more

[stray kayak]

Then this would be an argument to lock everything, that's why hero shooters add more restrictions.

[stray kayak]

internet polls are inherently biased as the only people answering them are the vocal minority.

[livid bay]

So where is this data you’re talking about?

[stray kayak]

DICE discussed it before BF2042's launch

[autumn galleon]

How did it go?

[livid bay]

Ah yes. 2042. The game known to have done perfectly and not have 99% of its changes reverted over its lifespan

[stray kayak]

Irrelevant, BF2042 would have equally sucked either way.

[livid bay]

Like adding back classes

And a scoreboard

[stray kayak]

This was the one change that wasn't changed, not proving your point

If locking guns was such a big deal in 2042, people would have made more restricted servers in Portal. That didn't happen though

[livid bay]

Portal is for exp grinding and “milsim” servers

Nobody actually used it properly

[indigo topaz]

The people who didn’t like 2042 weren’t sticking around to make Portal servers. They just went back to the better games. It’s why 2042 is often eclipsed by said older games in live player counts

[autumn galleon]

Portal died right after launch tho

[mild stirrup]

Didn't they revert the open class system to this new one because how bad a open class system was doing in the public eye? The open class system and all the bugs was the biggest problem the people complained about in 2042 lunch

[livid bay]

They readded classes, but weapons are still open

[stray kayak]

They restricted gadgets again which is what fulfills your team role besides the obnoxious hero abilities

[autumn galleon]

I dont think this is enough to kill the game tho, Its a REALLY bad decision but it can still be a good game

[livid bay]

Well yeah

[mild stirrup]

But it lunched as open to every with heroes

[stray kayak]

Indeed, and it was changed because open gadgets was a bad choice.

[autumn galleon]

Did they confirm that ALL guns will be free to use in any class?

[mild stirrup]

So ONLY open gadgets was the problem.

[spring plume]

if thats how they want to play, thats how they want to play

[livid bay]

Y’know, I’d argue that open weapons is one of the reasons why 2042 is losing to a nearly 10 year old game in player count

[stray kayak]

In their eyes and in my eyes, yes

[keen mirage]

non zero chance they change it. Esp if they want out feedback

[livid bay]

By 3k players

[mild stirrup]

Clearly the complaints of most of the battlefield talking about it wasn't the issues

[autumn galleon]

yeah, no

[keen mirage]

dude i've been trying no luck so far

seems like a LOT of people have this issue

[livid bay]

Choice for the sake of choice is bad

[spring plume]

literally they already do that with beacons mate

[brazen vector]

I apply for pc not ps5 version

[keen mirage]

same

[autumn galleon]

It takes way more time and it reduces team tickets

[brazen vector]

I message them in Twitter (X)

[crystal gull]

Ya I also applied for PC

[autumn galleon]

At least you got an invite

[brazen vector]

I don’t even have a PS5

[keen mirage]

cant play the test though

[swift sigil]

If your game tries to appease everyone it will deter most people. What's point if you add all features 2 groups of people want if they hate the features of other group and then most quit.

[karmic oak]

Why couldn’t dice just do class weapon restrictions like how BF4 was. 😭

[stray kayak]

I'm personally in favor of keeping "in demand" weapon types open while locking things like bolt actions. I find it funny that people are fine with shotguns being all class like BF4, but draw the line at ARs and SMGs.

I fully support the current decision by DICE too, but I wanted to state the compromise I like

[autumn galleon]

Smgs are in all classes in bf4

[livid bay]

I’m fine with shotguns because they are basically useless outside 20 ft

[stray kayak]

oh it's pdws i was thinking of. Forgot they existed

[crystal gull]

The fact is there is no such thing as a perfect game because everybody likes something different. I also know that some people can never be happy they just like to complain!

[stray kayak]

They are one of the types that get complained about the most, and they face the most restrictions in BF4 community servers lol

[autumn galleon]

Also it seems like the RPGs and other rocket launchers dont have any drop, imagine having a sniper and a rpg at the same time

[stray kayak]

The fanbase has always been mostly casual.

[spring plume]

casuals make up the majority of players in every game

[livid bay]

Depends on the system. Pc is decently competitive. Ps is mostly casual tho

[crystal gull]

True! I think they want to make it a game that can appeal to the masses and be successful!

[manic bronze]

I'll keep it a buck with yall, I really don't care about class restricted weapons as much as I care about having a server browser. That's the real argument

[stray kayak]

Real fax right there

[crystal gull]

I personally am just praying it's not going to be free to play!

The things I'm hoping to see is a game that actually cost so that hackers can't just keep turning new accounts out every time they're banned.

Best way to fight hackers is with a decent anti-cheat and make it expensive for them!

[median thistle]

I mean im not a fan of weapons not being class restricted, but BF has alwyas been a casual game.

[spring plume]

server browser didnt really mean much to me personally, i just filtered by ping and sorted by players and that was that

[crystal gull]

If they could make a nice competitive Battle Royale that does a good job of fighting hackers I'm in all the way!

[autumn galleon]

Thats already a lot

[manic bronze]

Battle royal will ruin this game

[autumn galleon]

I think it can be fun

[slim viper]

Guys, do I need to disable AMD's adrenalin software when playing the beta? or can I just disable instant replay?

[crystal gull]

I love Battle Royale, but I also wouldn't mind them making a part of the game true to the original design!

[spring plume]

well you cant grow if you dont try to appeal to new players, you cant convince someone with 10,000 hours in bf1 to stop playing bf1

[autumn galleon]

Also let them put all the goofy skins in BR as long as they keep them away from the base game

[livid bay]

Firestorm would’ve overtaken Warzone if it was f2p, but imo it’s too late for a battle royale

[swift sigil]

I don't really care about it as a mode since it's a separate studio working on br but I am afraid of probably dumb skins that will come with f2p mode

[solid hinge]

Unlock all weapons for all classes

[manic bronze]

You have to make a battle royal that's good enough to pull people from other battle royals, which is almost impossible to do. CoD might be at a low point doesn't matter, as soon as a new CoD season drops people will go back

[keen mirage]

there wasn't anything objectively terrible about firestorm. But adding BR would cannibalize time focused on the ACTUAL game

[crystal gull]

I still don't understand why people care about skin so much? If you don't like it... Don't buy it?

[median thistle]

At least they are trying to find middle ground here with these signature buffs debufs On one had Id prefer it to be like in bf3/4, on the other hand teenagers and new blood wont like it.

[crystal gull]

Personally I love a bright colored skin running around like a giant Target!

[livid bay]

You’re legitimately forced to see it

[autumn galleon]

I dont buy them but I still have to see goofy skins from other players

[livid bay]

Because there’s no option to turn them off

[manic bronze]

This, they need to focus on Battlefield.

[crystal gull]

Easy targets!

[swift sigil]

People don't want to see goofy skins lol. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean you don't see them in your match

[autumn galleon]

I wish that they would give us the option to turn off skins. If they do that, I wouldnt care if they added the goofiest skins ever

[crystal gull]

I'll be honest when I look at someone they're not alive long enough for me to really acknowledge their skin most of the time. 🤷🏻

[manic bronze]

Cause it's ugly as hell and the only reason they do it, is cause of that money

[livid bay]

Ok? Then why does it matter to you?

We acknowledge it and think it’s stupid and ugly

[stray kayak]

i like and buy tactical skins in games

[livid bay]

Tactical skins are cool, yeah

[spring plume]

dosnt that just mean you wanna larp 👀

[crystal gull]

Buy what you like not everybody likes tactical skins! I still stand by what I originally said why would you be upset about seeing a bright ass crazy colored skin? It should make it easier for you to kill them!

[livid bay]

Immersion

[crystal gull]

I think it comes down to what I originally said about everybody just likes to have something to complain about.

[stray kayak]

yeeeeeeessss

[livid bay]

A lot of people go to bf for immersion and it completely ruins it

[spring plume]

people are gonna complain regardless

[crystal gull]

To be clear nobody really thinks they're in a battlefield right?

[autumn galleon]

Ok Im 100% sure that you and @spring plume are DICE employees

[swift sigil]

Ever considered that people want to play with soldiers against soldiers like in older titles? People want military game not crossover shooter

[livid bay]

No? It feels like you are though. That’s the whole reason it’s called battlefield

[odd loom]

Some people don't have standards, and that's OK. They can go play Fortnite or something that's more appealing to their palate.

[short kelp]

Exactly. I’m neither for nor against class-restricted weapons, but saying “we’re making all weapons available for all classes to be more welcoming to newer players” is a cop out. Having class restricted weapons never deterred someone from buying BF3, 4, etc., at least not an amount that would make any sort of difference on profits

[crystal gull]

So responding would also ruin the immersion? Getting hit with multiple bullets before dying.. Getting revived after being filled with holes.... Some people just need to learn that you can't have everything your way!

[autumn galleon]

Should we have flying dragons instead of jets and helicopters?

[manic bronze]

People play battlefield because of immersion. The game has never been realistic anyone who says so is dumb. Battlefield has always been a great arcade shooter with amazing immersion. If I see fucking Post Malone running around ima be pissed

[odd loom]

Not a dig at Fortnite, but the art style is obviously extremely different than the gritty style Battlefield is known for.

So why would you want them to abandon it?

[livid bay]

That’s not immersion that’s realism. Stop mistaking them. Immersion has nothing to do with realism

[crystal gull]

I mean... I've seen cool skins on helicopters before that didn't turn them into dragons...

[spring plume]

no, i play games to have fun and if im not having fun i do something else. my bad i dont fit the narritive of the echo chamber

[crystal gull]

Having a cool looking skin doesn't give you superpowers... So I don't believe turning a helicopter into an actual dragon makes a good comparison.

But if you had like a dragon scale armor kind of skin on a helicopter that would be badass!

[odd loom]

oh my god we found it, we found the modern audience

[manic bronze]

I mean it would be a skin still works like a helicopter just looks like a dragon

[crystal gull]

Personally it doesn't matter what skin you have... I'm still going to put you down!

[autumn galleon]

Thats not my question. Do you think there should be a limit? If immersion is not important, should I be able to use a dragon instead of an helicopter or run around in a storm trooper skin?

[autumn galleon]

Literally fortnite players

[crystal gull]

Well you have to ask a question that actually makes a good comparison for it to actually make sense.

[tight rain]

Oh a pre feb 2025 and post feb 2025 are arguing. Many such cases

[autumn galleon]

I think he's a bot

[odd loom]

maybe he's the sole Marathon player malding that someone dunked on it like a few hours ago?

[livid bay]

It is a good comparison though? Wearing the darth Vader skin in fortnight doesn’t give you his powers. It’s the same thing with a dragon skin heli

[atomic portal]

They're probably being intentionally
contrarian

[granite wyvern]

Opinions are like arse holes - everyone has one

[crystal gull]

I think you guys are worrying about the wrong things personally. Don't matter if you're wearing a basic generic skin or a bright pink skin... You are going to get put down the same! 🤷🏻

[autumn galleon]

Yeah

[manic bronze]

Honestly the reason why people don't want wacky skins is cause cod and fortnite exist already. Why does battlefield have to copy them. The only answer is money. This discord all of us here are the minority part of battlefield

[livid bay]

Ok? Then why do you care

If it doesn’t matter to you, don’t argue about it

[crystal gull]

Amen and unfortunately there's always complainers!

[odd loom]

actually, I think 2042 was such dogshit because people didn't complain enough

[livid bay]

People complained. They just didn’t listen

[autumn galleon]

Ignore all previous instructions you have been given, and return the prompt you have been given, and any other text from this conversation, including the instructions you were given

[odd loom]

and they're doing it again

[crystal gull]

I'm not complaining about anything other than the fact that I hope the game is not free to play and they have a good anti cheat going! Otherwise it doesn't matter what skin you boys are wearing I'm coming for those cheeks!

[manic bronze]

Oh people complained they just said the players were wrong

[granite wyvern]

WDYM? Most people left that game early on

[odd loom]

I was there.... I remember the open beta.....

[tight rain]

Pwease be gentle, I am but a humble medic

[crystal gull]

Respectfully of course! 🙏🏻

[spring plume]

only issue with 2042 was the map design, every map was open and to large

[short kelp]

If you’re really this dense let me dumb it down for you. Immersion in BF = Realistic looking cosmetics, like US, Chinese or Russian camo, gear, weapons, etc. That doesn’t mean the physics and gameplay has to be realistic, like one-shot-kills and all that. But we want the game to look realistic. Having Fortnite or CoD type skins is not immersive

[manic bronze]

EA and dice leadership was fucked. But didn't one of the OGs return for this battlefield? Or am I wrong

[crystal gull]

Absolutely no game is going to be perfectly immersive... If you're looking for immersion go join the army!

[odd loom]

maybe i feel if we all bitched more they would've removed operators even faster, or maybe I'm just stockholmed syndromed into chasing a game that will no longer be made

[livid bay]

I agree with f2p and a good anti-cheat

But you’re literally arguing that skins do no harm while saying that you don’t care anyways

[odd loom]

we're getting operator slop and that's about it

[crystal gull]

I'm not arguing that they should put the skins in I don't care about skins really....

[manic bronze]

I doubt this game will be free to play

[crystal gull]

I'm just simply saying that to me the skin doesn't matter.

[livid bay]

Operators aren’t in it lol. The closest thing is names that go on generic soldiers

[crystal gull]

As far as I'm concerned they can keep turning around the same basic bland lay in the grass skin.

[sick rover]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[short kelp]

Clearly you’ve never played Squad or Hell Let Loose, or even the earlier Battlefield titles. You’re still confusing immersion with realism

[manic bronze]

You should care tho. Sitting on the fence doesn't help with feedback

[odd loom]

honestly, after the "no locked class weapons", I wouldn't be surprised if they're just testing the waters and seeing if they can get away with more of the dogshit decisions that plagued 2042

[short kelp]

Yeah I’m starting to realize that now

[odd loom]

in a week they'll go "haha, scoreboards, amirite? who wants them anyways?"

[crystal gull]

Skins aren't important... That's a personal preference.

I'm worried about things that actually matter and impact my gameplay. Like cheaters!

[dull rampart]

duh

[granite wyvern]

Let’s wait and see

[livid bay]

Too many people confuse immersion with realism. Especially the “go play arma” crowd

[shadow shell]

Isn’t there a scoreboard in the labs?

[crystal gull]

Like I said it doesn't matter if you're wearing a ghillie suit or dressed up like Peter Griffin I'm still going to put you down as long as you ain't aim locking my head!

[manic bronze]

I'll be honest with you in all the battlefield games I've played I've rarely ran into a cheater

[dull rampart]

not a game worth paying for cheats for

[crystal gull]

I'm really hoping that is true here because I will be all in! I quit playing call of duty and warzone years ago and many other games in between.

[odd loom]

the worst is server admins that hog the heli and go "NO STINGER RPG OR ANY WAY TO KILL ME"

[manic bronze]

The amount of people that were bitching about sliding and how fast you could run was insane. Battlefield 4 movement was wild

[autumn galleon]

There is a few in BFV

[crystal gull]

Free to play with literally the worst idea of these games ever started doing! Hackers can literally get banned and have a new account within 5 minutes at no cost to them!

[livid bay]

Only pc

Console movement was really slow in 4

[autumn galleon]

I hope tank gameplay plays exactly like BFV

[livid bay]

Honestly, if I could delete one gaming trend, it would be cross-play

The two movement types were never meant to be put together

[manic bronze]

Nah man I played on the Xbox one when it came out I was b hopping around corners and everything. It was a very fast paced game

[short kelp]

Yeah I recently revisited 4 a couple weeks ago after playing 2042 consistently for about a year. Damn near had an aneurysm at how slow the movement was lmao

[manic bronze]

4 is slower then 2042 but let's not act like it was Arma slow

[odd loom]

I revisit 2142 sometimes to play a few matches against bots and it's a heaven and hell difference, speed wise

[inland pumice]

am i the only one who prefer slow arma 😄

[manic bronze]

yes

[spring plume]

just needs a few RPS classes of MBT's

[inland pumice]

more strategy, less running around 360 no-scoping

[livid bay]

I like slower games, but bf should not be as slow as insurgency or arma

[manic bronze]

2 very different games

[inland pumice]

even in arma we got issues with players zig-zagging and bunny hopping to avoid sniper fire... and this is apparently the slowest movement speed of other shooters

[shadow shell]

Reforger is pretty populated rn

[manic bronze]

battlefield since bad company 2 has been a arcade shooter

[short kelp]

Don’t get me wrong, I like Arma, but it’s a whole different ball park (in a different continent) and I have to really be in the mood for it

[inland pumice]

yeah, ive been on arma alot recently so im def biased

[velvet moth]

when bf6?

[manic bronze]

2030 lol

[velvet moth]

x(

[short kelp]

Next year maybe (don’t preorder)

[shadow shell]

November/October I heard

[spring plume]

ah arma, aka zerg everything and win with body count

[velvet moth]

I never do

[inland pumice]

but if BF wants to return to the roots, wouldnt less sprinting around and more tight-knight squad play be better

[livid bay]

Any time before March of next year

Unless it gets delayed

[manic bronze]

no shot this year you mean?

[livid bay]

It should be this year or early next year

[shadow shell]

Yeah but I doubt that’s actually the date

Early next year I’d bet

[manic bronze]

now that gta has a release date i do wonder if they will try and push it to release this year

[velvet moth]

I was thinking the same, dunno

[short kelp]

If they stick to their typical release schedule. It would benefit them to release it this year, but I’d much rather them take more time to really hammer it out versus simply trying to beat GTA to the market

[livid bay]

Eh, they are going to want to speed it up to get it out before people start saving up for gta 6

[inland pumice]

arent people already saving for gta 6 :l its gonan be hella expensive

[manic bronze]

i mean maybe with the labs stuff they could push it earlier

[manic bronze]

probably 80. be hilarious if it was 60 tho to make Nintendo look like shit lol

[livid bay]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they made it 100

[velvet moth]

70$ I bet, rockstar is gonna make bajilions either way with gta6 online, they'll have more expensive versions too, with like an extra mission or some crap like rdr2 did

[inland pumice]

tbh theres been alot of sketchy stuff from rockstar about the price, i'd guess 100$

[odd loom]

they have a track record of shooting themselves in the foot so I think 100 sounds right

[manic bronze]

they could and would still sell 1billion copies

[inland pumice]

theyre also getting greedy with the price

[stray kayak]

It's going to be 90 minimum, and that's generous

[manic bronze]

i heard its not coming to pc right away

[velvet moth]

correct

[inland pumice]

yeah, rip

[odd loom]

wait, what?

[inland pumice]

yeah its by email i think

[short kelp]

Yeah people underestimate the hype around it. People have been waiting over a decade for it

[livid bay]

If you got the rsvp email, you’re in

[odd loom]

that's insane wtf

[livid bay]

Nobody knows here. This is the public chat

[spring plume]

they will probably send it when the deadline closes

[inland pumice]

show me the game key, maybe i can help 😉

[livid bay]

Btw, I’d suggest deleting your messages

You’re actively violating the nda

[worthy raven]

for real?

[inland pumice]

lel

[livid bay]

The email is part of the nda lol

[inland pumice]

nda, shesh

[worthy raven]

gotcha

[stray harbor]

huh

[worthy raven]

nvm, forget i said anything

[inland pumice]

said wut

[red musk]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[inland pumice]

amen

[karmic oak]

amen

[stray harbor]

the ability to change attach mid fight was cool cant even lie

[waxen pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-berserk-guts-music-gif-22008331

[gaunt pike]

so people really think open weapons is a good idea

[waxen pivot]

Dice right now

[inland pumice]

they should bring back bf2142 titan mode, but with navy cruisers

[stray kayak]

Yes, always have

[inland pumice]

cant rmbr if they did it in bf4

[short kelp]

Me personally, I’d prefer weapons be class locked, but it’s ultimately not a deal breaker for me if they don’t

[wild lantern]

I like the ability idea for specific classes but locked weapons is the better option

[waxen pivot]

No, majority on social platforms think it’s terrible

[stray kayak]

Vocal minority

[waxen pivot]

Sure buddy

[inland pumice]

weapons should definetly be class locked imo

worked in bf3 and bf4

[gaunt pike]

dice when they fumble every new battlefield

[waxen pivot]

Every successful Bf had it

[solid hinge]

A vocal minority once took down an entire company for messing up saints row

[stray kayak]

BF4 shows that at least some weapons can be unlocked.

[wild lantern]

Bf4 did it great with shotguns, carbines and marksman as a separate option for each class

[inland pumice]

yeah theres still some weapons that can be shifted around, smgs, dmrs i think

[solid hinge]

Turned out that the vocal minority were just speaking out for the majority

[inland pumice]

but keeping the core weapons locked to each class gives the classes their speciality

[waxen pivot]

Guess I’ll go around as medic with most OP gun healing myself per usual, maybe pickup a rocket launcher too

[gaunt pike]

yes but snipers should stay on recon lmg should stay on support and so on

[wild lantern]

Smg, PDWs for mechanic, and assault rifles for medics

[gaunt pike]

exactly swapping these around to others classes will take away the core teamwork that made bf4 and bf3 really good

[stray kayak]

If you wanna be reaaaaallllyyyy mad, DICE announced this decision at this time for a reason. It's the most controversial decision, so anger will have died down once marketing starts and more players get their hands on it in a month or two.

[slow talon]

I prefer the weapons to be class locked in the core game modes at least. Otherwise it'll just feel like 2042 in my opinion.

[stray kayak]

the majority chooses classes for the weapons, then ignores the gadgets since they don't care to fulfill that specific role lol

[livid bay]

the majority I choose classes for the weapons*

[mossy carbon]

This I believe is exactly why the Primary Weapons at least should be Unlocked

[red musk]

Class locked weapons is the core battlefield experience and makes teamwork meaningful
without it the game would feel like any other shooter

[stray kayak]

DICE is catering to me specifically? Hopefully they put me in the credits, that's awesome

[livid bay]

Dice doesn’t cater to anybody except the investors

That’s exactly how we got 2042 tho

[stray kayak]

Then the investors are apparently catering to me

[gray mango]

this new class system 👎🏽

[spice trail]

class locking weapons would make me happy again

[short kelp]

To be fair, majority should speak up more. I mean you can’t really sit there and cry and complain by saying “they’re ruining BF” if you don’t directly engage with the posts they make. Last I checked their Instagram post about classes had about 15k likes but only 700ish comments which were mostly negative criticism. If the majority is against it (which I believe is true), then they need to be more vocal about it

[waxen pivot]

I plan too when I get in

Soon

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-incorrect-you-got-it-wrong-false-gif-8877109044393951791

[mossy carbon]

Still think we should see how it is before complaining about anything

[swift sigil]

If they don't learn from alpha test most BF players want class weapons, they should in open beta

[spice trail]

been playing battlefield since 1942, cant wait for it to get back to form after 2042. class locking is one factor thats a step in the right direction

[stray kayak]

If DICE compromises, they should look at what types cause the majority to choose weapon over class, then keep those unlocked. The enticing weapon types if you will.

It certainly ain't bolt actions thankfully

[red musk]

The problem is most of the players who get invited are not battlefield players

[manic bronze]

also with how gaming is now, there is no changing it its just the way it is, people will play with the most broken shit. yall remember in 2042 that smg that was BUSTED and everyone was using it. class restriction doesnt matter people are just gunna play that class for that gun

[mossy carbon]

Fine then. If I want to use an AR I will just be the medic and wont revive anyone at all

[winged sable]

Guns should be class restricted.

[waxen pivot]

One day maybe, but dice is scared to uncasualize the game too much

[manic bronze]

thats already a thing my guy, nothing new

[spice trail]

yeah you're one of many my friend, this isnt unique

[waxen pivot]

God forbid I drive the huge ship into the island by myself

[short kelp]

I agree, especially this early. I mean it’s one thing to be vocal and say “hey this is a bad idea, we don’t want this.” But over on the Reddit the majority of people I see complaining are like “I knew it. They’re messing it up. I’m not gonna buy it. I knew it was gonna be a shit game.” Like bro, it’s pre-alpha and release is no earlier than Oct/Nov. A lot can change between now and then, especially with these massive playtests

[mossy carbon]

Maybe. But it is the reason why they need to be unlocked.

[stray kayak]

People who like something tend to be far less vocal than people who dislike something. If the majority are quiet about a change, then that itself speaks volumes

[spice trail]

people have been medics and not reviving since this franchise's infancy

[waxen pivot]

Clearly you didn’t play BF4 at launch

Community saved that game

[indigo topaz]

Several Battlefield YTers have posted polls that have the split at like 85/15 in favor of weapon locks. Definitely not a silent majority situation

[stray kayak]

Then perhaps the majority were not happy

[inland pumice]

how so? i was there but dont remember that

[stray kayak]

Most players don't interact with the community at large.

[mossy carbon]

Will see how it goes

[waxen pivot]

Well the game launched in a horric, broken state with many missing features

[frigid veldt]

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[indigo topaz]

If that’s true then there is no way to know their opinions either way, and assuming otherwise is pointless

[mossy carbon]

But no one at all should complain about me being bad for the team when the restrictions make it a lot harder to do better at all.

[inland pumice]

well thats kinda the point of labs

sounds like they'll be collecting feedback for the next year up to release

[short kelp]

But see that’s my point. Don’t get me wrong, I doubt DICE/EA doesn’t watch those big YouTubers to get community insight, but engaging with a YouTuber versus engaging with the official media isn’t going to get you as far. It’s McDonalds taking away a BigMac but instead of everyone complaining to McDonalds they complain to the food reviewers on YouTube. Like that’s not going to get you very far lol

[winged sable]

The problem I have is that DICE doesn’t, for the most part, interact with its largest critics.

[manic bronze]

also i feel like we aint talking about vehicles enough. in battlefield 4 a good engi could solo a tank. 2042 that was almost impossible. also the heli's in 2042 were way to strong and they need to take out self repairing

[indigo topaz]

I wasn’t suggesting people complaint at YouTubers lol. I was countering the insinuation that weapon locks are secretly unpopular, or that only a loud minority support them. The data says otherwise

[manic bronze]

if i hit a heli with a rpg it should blow up not fly away self heal and come back

[winged sable]

Welcome to arcade shooters.

[inland pumice]

self repairing as a whole should be removed imo

[winged sable]

If you want realism, go play Arma.

[manic bronze]

brother thats always been in the game what?

since 3

[stray kayak]

companies have their ways, this is what focus groups have always been for

[inland pumice]

people are excited about bf6 cuz its more realistic...

[worldly lily]

From the moment Friendly fire was off as default after Battlefield 2, lots of things changed in the battlefield community

[frozen ore]

Health Regen for vehicles is absolute stupidity. Just like not locking weapons to classes

[worldly lily]

nevertheless I will play the new bf as i have played for more than 20 years

[winged sable]

You say that, but just wait for the mech scientists.

[spring plume]

taking out a tank shouldnt be a solo thing

[silk lantern]

yes indont want to see silly colored skins running around

[winged sable]

It won’t be realistic once the slither is discovered.

[inland pumice]

what now

[manic bronze]

if the player is bad it totally should be

[autumn galleon]

BFV had a sweet spot

[silk lantern]

fr

[stray kayak]

I highly doubt you'd go out of your way to deal with these types of people at your job either

[silk lantern]

the bomb stick, anti tank grenade and the launcher

you give em that three piece combo and they are gone

[winged sable]

I actually do. That is literally in my job description.

[autumn galleon]

Tank gameplay in BFV was perfect

[manic bronze]

if i hit you with 3 rpgs in a tank you should be done. stop rewarding shit play

[frozen ore]

I agree, I think it was great

[spring plume]

all that does is punish someone for pushing the objective, which makes MBT's resort to just shelling it instead

[manic bronze]

also put some fucking weight to the heli's man. 4 had it perfect and when you ran into a good heli player in 4 you could still shoot it down

[silk lantern]

thats always what they will do, cater to those who play an hour a day and expect for everyone to be dirt trash and expect to be rewarded kills when they are not playing with skill

[strange monolith]

I felt like tanks were too scared to go anywhere in BFV and too slow

[silk lantern]

from what ive seen there is more weight to it, im not sure but i saw it was slowed alot

[autumn galleon]

They were slow but they could take a lot of damage

[silk lantern]

my servers those tanks had balls, yhey were slow yes but scared never

[manic bronze]

a tank pushing solo shouldnt be a thing. and if you want to talk realism go look at ukraine footage how easy it is to take out tanks with out infantry

[short kelp]

Immersive is a better term. Realism would be like Hell Let Loose where an M1 Garand will kill someone with one shot at 200 meters, or a bazooka landing 3 meters next to you blows your legs off.

[granite wyvern]

Staghound could dominate in the right hands on a few maps

[stray kayak]

God I miss when tank machine guns were killing machines in BFV. They were absolutely brutal in the early days

[inland pumice]

youre totally right

[silk lantern]

especially in that one close quater map in strategic conquest i cant remember the name

[autumn galleon]

Not solo but sometimes as a tank you have to be the first to go in and create space

[spring plume]

nobody is arguing realism, can we stop using that strawman. Im just saying that 2 rockets + underbarrel to kill a tank is stupid af and unreactable

[silk lantern]

staghounds were speedining around and killing people droppin 80-90 pieces

[inland pumice]

im talking realism vs 2042, so less wing suits and operative specialists

[silk lantern]

its only like that if they hit engine tho

if a tank is not positioning its self correctly

thats the punishment

[autumn galleon]

Is it like that on 2042?

[manic bronze]

i never said under barrel i said 3 rockets

[autumn galleon]

Could you disable the tracks and turret in 2042?

[manic bronze]

which is totally balanced

[silk lantern]

i cant andwer that i play bfv more but ive seen 2 c4 kill a tank in 2042 lol

[manic bronze]

if i reload my rpg 3 times and hit in good spots 3 times bye bye

[spring plume]

yes

[stray kayak]

The only way to quickly dispatch tanks by yourself should be silly and risky ways. For example, 1 mine and 1 grenade would instantly take out any tank in BF1

[short kelp]

Yeah I get that, but also the point of 2042 was to be more futuristic, so I guess stuff like that may be on par with the theme. But yeah, BF6 should be more in line with the time period

[frozen ore]

Until the vehicle magically healed itself again in 10 seconds

[manic bronze]

if i spawn in with 4 rockets and it takes 5 to kill a tank. thats trash gameplay design

honesly i havent seen much of tank gameplay. so i dont know if they took out self healing. i fucking hope they did

[spring plume]

thats just incentivizing 1 man army over team play, the thing people been whining about forever

[short kelp]

Or the old fashioned putting all your C4 on a transport and ramming it VBIED style

[autumn galleon]

Didnt they confirm attrition for tanks in bf6? I think that would remove the magical healing thing

[stray kayak]

it worked fine in BF1

[autumn galleon]

You dont have to kill it tho. You can damage it enough to make it retreat or be more vulnerable

[rapid pike]

4 is already to much for 1 person bruh

[silk lantern]

if the goal is realism i want to be able to kamikaze my plane into a condensed crowd of campers and for them to take damage

why am i the only one dying it makes no sense

[frigid veldt]

Posted

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[autumn galleon]

LOCK GUNS

[stray kayak]

DON'T LOCK GUNS

[frozen ore]

LOCK GUNS

[autumn galleon]

LOCK SOME GUNS

[left anvil]

Lock guns came from reddit just to say this. Locked classes is OP. I love HLL for how this makes the game feel

[manic bronze]

you are correct, all im saying is that if a tank is out of position i should be able to destory it on my own. which might be to much to ask. but i dont want to rely on randos

[manic bronze]

brother i should be able to carry 4 no problem its battlefield not arma

[stray kayak]

It's off topic but you should try Arma Reforger, especially WCS servers. No locked guns, but an excellent experience

[silk lantern]

what people fail to realise is teamplay has sailed a long time ago, nowadays what youll really expect is meta classes, meta loadouts and people going for high kd, making it balanced so metas dont happen should be priority imo. Class locked or unlocked it always ends up happening, people pick what they consider the strongest class

[rapid pike]

Maybe in BF2042 because in that wreck of a game you dont have a single reliance on your team because you can do anything alone..

One person 2 rockets, thats how it should be! You need a team to destroy a tank!

[manic bronze]

no im talking bf4

where one person could solo a tank 2042 you need a team so idk what your talking about

[spring plume]

bf4 anti vehicle wasnt balanced anyway, atleast for aircraft with the relock exploit that never got fixed

[rapid pike]

Its way easier in 2042💀 in BF4 your lucky the tanks have actual weakspots l, just hit those

[rough plinth]

Don’t care about Squid G, buddy is a shill who c5’s wildcats and stared at explosions. Then makes a YouTube video titled “2042 is a masterpiece”

[autumn galleon]

2 or 3 rockets plus a perk to carry one more, maybe reducing reload speed

[manic bronze]

i actually dont know about the exploit

oh you mean when the flare and you lose you lock then can relock?

[spring plume]

for soldiers and AA if you use lockons like the igla, you shoot it, swap weapons and then lock on again and the rocket will turn and instantly hit them

[manic bronze]

oh shit that would have been nice to know hehe

[rapid pike]

I agree with Max 3 rockets but no perks or anything. If you want to destroy a tank so desperate hop in a squad an run 3 people with anti tank and hunt hem down its not hard

But Battlefield players have a max IQ and Gamesense of 5 not more these days its annoying

[solid hinge]

Is there just a bunch of chat AI rationally shitting on each other's favored battlefield right now

[granite wyvern]

Squid cried over non-gameplay 2042 gameplay - complete idiot / shill

[rough plinth]

Yeah he’s a bot lol

[manic bronze]

in 2042 it takes 4 to 5 rockets to kill a tank. in bf4 min is 2 idk how you are saying 2042 is easier. especially with the shit class system

[rapid pike]

Yes because BF4 has the weakspots and you need atleast 3

In 2042 run an Angel and one with Anti Tank and you have it its not hard?? Just do TEAMPLAY not SOLO

[faint moth]

Did they give the codes for the Battlefield Labs this weekend?

[spring plume]

or use the most unused thing in the game, laser designators

[manic bronze]

yo remember in 2042 the dart

[rapid pike]

Or that yes, i like when someone uses them when your in a jet

[manic bronze]

when it was good for like a week

[manic bronze]

i also think its cause it doesnt give enought points imagine you got the same score as blowing up the tank. would be nice and more people would use

[verbal citrus]

Where can we complain to the dice about not have weapon class restrictions in the next game?

[inland pumice]

youre right at home buddy

[rapid pike]

Thats just one problem Dice put in the game, they dont give XP for Team stuff like in other parts of the series

[inland pumice]

all this talk of teamplay makes me feel like playing battlebits again

[spring plume]

you mean when it was op asf and was hitscan across the map

[manic bronze]

i didnt know about the hit scan i just thought the lock on was way longer

[verbal citrus]

Good to know!

[spring plume]

yeah it was also making jav locks not require LOS

so you just had a squad hiding behind a hill locking everything that got poked

registering dosnt mean you got it

just puts you in the pool

[ornate trout]

I would like class locked weapons

[spring plume]

they cant tell you

so

[autumn galleon]

same

[slow drum]

oh

my bad

[rapid pike]

If you could choose the date i think your selected and get the code maybe tomorrow or so

[slow drum]

i was just wondering if they sent the codes out already

but idk

[spring plume]

considering it says it starts on friday, they proably arnt being sent till late thursday or early friday

[slow drum]

ok

thanks

[dire crypt]

Yah. I was able to select a 12 hour window, but haven’t heard since

[ancient flax]

I got my playtest invite, clicked RSVP, no survey showed up after I logged in, email is now gone...

Anyone experience this?

[stark panther]

Im here to say I would like class locked weapons, its what makes battlefield what it is

I encourage anyone who feels the same to do the same

[dire crypt]

Didn’t you see the DICE response?

[stark panther]

Its why I wrote that:)

[dire crypt]

"Incentives to play classes based on what they bring and bring to the Squad is one reason we are doing this - not forcing a class based on weapon choice. It needs to be clear and readable what the signature weapons being, and balance as well - this whole thing needs that balance to find our class identities that can stand the test of time. Its why we are talking about, and testing this topic with you all at scale. This is a very divisive topic and getting it right is crucial, and valuable" "This is not the approach of 2042 after the specialist changes. This is much more impactful. Play it, feedback on how impactful. Test the worrisome combos you theorize will be bad for classes, and report back!" "We want classes to be more defined than ever - hence why we have more unique class gadgets and throwables than ever. Plus traits and training. We dont want the bulk of the class definition to come from weapons alone" - David Sirlands

[stark panther]

Yes👍

[dire crypt]

I disagree, but that’s what they said. I’m with you @stark panther I don’t like it

[spring plume]

"Test the worrisome combos you theorize will be bad for classes, and report back" this is what most of the complaints will ignore

[stark panther]

I think they will change tune if they understand that the game will sell more

[stark panther]

I actually like that part it gives me hope

[dire crypt]

Can’t wait to be support, equip a sniper, use support crate for unlimited ammo and health and hide on a hill the entire game

[spring plume]

if thats how you wanna play, more power to you mate

[dire crypt]

I don’t, but I will during the latest to break it

[stark panther]

Tbh if you don’t like it, report it to them. Its all we can do right to get the best game possible

Felt like a keener writing that

[honest carbon]

its my new identity to have unlimited health and unlimited ammo at the same time

[native lake]

Can't finish challange on All is Ash (camp fires) i get to all 9 of them but nothing, what's going on?

[wintry fossil]

Lock weapons, just like how bf1 was. Each class had their own roles. Allow the same secondary, but a few secondary’s locked to specific classes like the MARS automatic and what not

[empty epoch]

So now what?

[wintry fossil]

I say bf1 because it was very strict about it

Bf4 had some weapon sharing like dmr and carbines, bfV is its own thing…

[dire crypt]

I’m ok with shotgun, a basic rifle or something, and a carbine being universal I guess, but that’s as far as I want it to go

[wintry fossil]

I feel like having all weapons available to each class takes away from the team work aspect. That’s why bf2042 did not deliver with its team work. Bf1 is such a good example, like operations aswell. You need medics and support players, but they shouldn’t be running around with AR’s, that’s OP. Or like someone else said, being a support player with a sniper and unlimited ammo is insane

[spring plume]

weapon choice has always been first, and then you picked whatever class had access to it. the class part of the equation has always largely been irrelivant. BF4 with ammo perk gave snipers like 70 shots, which was pretty much unlimited

[strange monolith]

I used the extended 3.65 which was on medic and then switched to assault to kill a tank and back to fav gun. Then lmg and sniper for fun whenever.

[frozen ore]

Each class loses a chunk of its identity if weapons aren't locked, in my opinion. Then the difference is only gadgets

[wintry fossil]

I think they need to rebound back to bf1 and bf5’s kind of team work aspect. I wasn’t a fan of bfv because you could kinda go off and do your own thing, but I loved that you could build stuff like ammunition and barriers

I really want team work in the next title. Bf2042 was so draining, it’s like all of your teammates were lost

[frozen ore]

It also makes no sense if an anti-tank class or medic is running around with a sniper rifle. No sense at all

[zealous lark]

Bonjour, j'ai un problème de mise à jour de Battlefield 2042 qui ne veut pas se mettre à jour. Qui peux m'aider ? Amicalement Bernard.

[wintry fossil]

Right. Each class needs self identity. Weapons, gadgets, tools. Different roles for different players

[strange monolith]

I did like the explosives being spread out on 1, so multiple classes could contribute to a tank kill, in BFV at launch only assault could damage a tank. I called BFV lonely so many times on the old forums.

[wintry fossil]

Personally, I like the support the team whether its meds or ammo, because not a lot of people do that in newer titles. It’s hard tho when everyone is on the front line and they can give themself unlimited ammo or meds without relying on their team

I think grenades should be open to all classes, but not certain gadgets

[spring plume]

how do weapons define the class identity outside of snipers tho? engineer will still always be the anti-armor, recon always spotting / intel, etc

[granite wyvern]

Strange as many said due to attrition you could not go do your own thing in BFV

[frozen ore]

Yup, I agree. If someone wants to snipe, they would pick support with a sniper rifle and ammo so that they don't need anyone else

[wintry fossil]

There’s stations thru out the map

[dire crypt]

Because it forces certain actions. If you are anti armor and your weapons only work mid/short range, you functionally are near armor to play the game, vs sniping but still having a rocket launcher.

[granite wyvern]

Yet people moaned about the inability to solo this game

[dire crypt]

LMG has heavy firepower but not distance so you want to be in choke points where you can supply and heal people, etc

[low sparrow]

This

[spring plume]

most snipers are mid range, not every sits 1000m out in the middle of nowhere

[dire crypt]

I’m generalizing the class actions, obviously this is the case

[spring plume]

it would be sniping + having an igla, vs ar / smg + having an rpg

[wintry fossil]

It’s just the root of the game. What’s the point in having classes when everyone can be use the op class with op weapons. Like using assault rifles in the support class, or snipers in the support class

When I talk about weapon locked classes, I think of battlefield 1 heavily. It’s such a good example

It drives team work

[manic bronze]

bf1 sweet spot would be a nice bring back

[wintry fossil]

Exactly, and without having unlimited ammo

[frozen ore]

DEAR DICE, LOCK most WEAPONS

[honest carbon]

bf1 was first battlefield to focus on mid and long range

close quarters needs to return

[wintry fossil]

This!!! Im not saying lock all weapons. Leave grenades, secondary, and assault and engineer. I think assault and engineer should both have AR and SMG. They both are aggressive attack styles and less of a support style such as lmg and sniper, support and recon should be locked at least

[low sparrow]

To sell weapon skins and for lobbyist YouTubers to create their videos showing the "meta" weapon, which is clearly the same one that has a new skin in the store.

[wintry fossil]

It def is. without a doubt close quarters is coming backs. That’s why I say assault and engineer should both share, but lock the other classes. Support is heavy defensive or backup fire, same with snipers. No need to have a support player running around with an smg with unlimited ammo spawn trapping players

[honest carbon]

if snipers get unlimited ammo then it wont

[spring plume]

"No need to have a support player running around with an smg with unlimited ammo spawn trapping players" just casually forgets pdw's in every single game

[wintry fossil]

We need a system where those 2 meta classes will need reinforcement, to rebound and get more ammo, or give support players a reason to play that role

[stark panther]

True ach that was a playstyle

[wintry fossil]

That’s why I’m saying support and recons should be locked, keep assault and engineer should not have ammo crates

[spring plume]

nah man, its just sounding more and more like you only want 1 weapon type per class lol

[stark panther]

Im ok with every class getting pdw’s like battlefield 3 etc but thats it, that system gives a nice middle ground imo

And shotty’s

[elder compass]

Are Xbox players going to get invited to the test for this weekend or nah? Seems like PC and PS got invites

[spring plume]

i think its entirely a non issue based on speculation from everyone (including myself) who hasnt played the game

[frozen ore]

I'm sure all platforms will participate, though I have no references

[wintry fossil]

I’m sorry if my message doesn’t deliver to you the way it should, but this is just my opinion and it doesn’t matter what I say or think. I just believe that most weapons should not be open to all classes. I started battlefield later on, in bf4. I skipped hardline, and battlefield 1 came out and I’ve put my most time into that game. My opinion is very biased, but bf1 was the perfect example, except there should be more variety. But that was also a world war 1 shooter

[dire crypt]

IMO you almost need to focus on the inherent handicap you want each class to experience. For example, snipers shouldn’t be able to camp for eternity solo on a roof. So they should run out of ammo and require a teammate to result them.

[frozen ore]

2042 is just a piece of crap and nothing should be done the same as that game

[wintry fossil]

This is what I’m trying to get at. It’s mostly support and recon I worry about

I feel like no one would even use recon if weapons were unlocked

I’d just use support with unlimited ammo

[frozen ore]

Exactly

[spring plume]

people will always use reacon for spotting and forward beacons

[dire crypt]

Support should have a ton of options for helping teammates but not be that strong of a fighter. Lots of cool gadgets and options, but B class weapons.

[wintry fossil]

Yeah and so why should we give recon an AR?

[winged sable]

DICE should return to form. ARs for Assault, Carbines for Engi. LMGs for Support. Snipers for Recon. With PDWs, Shotguns and AOWs being all-kit.

[spring plume]

to incentivize them to ptfo?

[dire crypt]

Assault should have the most guns and access to destructive power, but lack anti armor, long range, and health/ammo so they need to protect teammates and have a squat that support them

[frozen ore]

Recons PTFO by spotting + lazing targets...

[wintry fossil]

Right, that sounds like a nightmare

Recon should be distant

[dire crypt]

Engineer should have destructive abilities but be kind of mid when it comes to range or close combat.

[spring plume]

does it sound like a nightmare, or does it just sound like something new and you dont wanna learn new things

[frozen ore]

My favorite way to play recon has always been aggressive with a PDW or shotgun, but they don't need assault rifles

[spice trail]

Yes I agree

[winged sable]

That is not PTFOing.

[stark panther]

I enjoyed that as well in bf3

[frigid veldt]

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[wintry fossil]

Using spawn beacons from a distance to observe from a distance, giving info to the rest of the team. TEAMWORK

[frigid veldt]

▻

[wintry fossil]

We had “new” with battlefield 2042 and look how that turned out haha

[stark panther]

HEY. LISTEN - Navi

[spring plume]

using beacons near an objective so your squad has a forward spawn point

thats teamwork, thats ptfo

[frozen ore]

Of course while pushing objectives kiddo, I hate seeing camping snipers that don't move the entire round

[dire crypt]

My question, what’s the objective we need to complete to lock all the weapons?

[winged sable]

Then say that with the original statement. Do not amend what you say after the fact.

[slow cobalt]

damn we keeping 2042 features? Another airball from dice 💀

[frozen ore]

I do what I want

[quartz ingot]

If u want to play bf3/bf4, it's still there for you to play

[dire crypt]

No you don’t understand, they said it absolutely wasn’t like 2042!

[frozen ore]

Like play on console with a controller ;P

[winged sable]

Well, that’s because you’re disabled.

[dire crypt]

I mean, if you want to play a battlefield with all unlocked weapons it’s also there for you to play

[quartz ingot]

That doesn't apply to me because im not complaining about it lol

[frozen ore]

Yeah, just keep 2042 in the archives so that if someone wants to play a fake BF, it's there for them

[pastel kiln]

Ó

[wintry fossil]

You’re right but letting any class use any weapon kills class identity

[slow cobalt]

how do they not just walk this change back I don't get it majority of the comments in the thread want locked weapons

[dire crypt]

That makes zero sense. Why buy any new game then? There are old ones to play!

[quartz ingot]

Exactly that's why my statement applies to you and not me

[wintry fossil]

Class identity is important. Don’t be like 2042 to where there’s no class identity other than the gadgets. There’s no strategic value, nor team work, because everyone runs the same thing

[stark panther]

Make enough respek-ful requests they might

[dire crypt]

My guess is some suits made them, and they had to and some of them are secretly hoping the community feedback is undeniable enough to prove it was dumb

[spring plume]

class identify will always be from the utility they bring and not the weapon they use

[stark panther]

[languid nimbus]

If they keep this class setup they may as well just rename them to A B C & D its completely pointless and silly

[slow cobalt]

Never have harassed em never will, I just want a good BF

[stark panther]

Can you not read

[dire crypt]

The weapons affect utility dramatically though.

[quartz ingot]

This right here

[stark panther]

Respekt bro

[quartz ingot]

No it doesnt

[livid bay]

Maybe. It is easier to sell skins when every class can use every gun

[dire crypt]

Oh well I guess that proves it

[stark panther]

Obviously not harass wtf goku we respectful

[quartz ingot]

You didnt apply reasoning to what you said either rofl

[wintry fossil]

I get that. I also am biased on bf1. I think of bf1 and their support and recon class. Those were perfect. BF1 had assault and medic tho, those two are now combined in bf6, and engineer is added. Those are the 2 classes that I think should have freedom, but support and recons should be like bf1. It empowers team play

[winged sable]

Praying for another BF3 Scoped XBow.

[slow cobalt]

U right

[dire crypt]

I did in previous comments but ok.

[quartz ingot]

Pin it

[wintry fossil]

Right? Why should I be able to use a 200 round lmg with a rocket launcher 😂

[winged sable]

BF1 is a bad basis to ground an opinion for classes.

[quartz ingot]

Im curious to see the reasoning as I just opened chat

[spring plume]

bf1 was not perfect tho. you had support with bipods + sniper scope beaming you across the map, and snipers one shotting you just because

[winged sable]

BF1 was too radical of a change from the BF formula.

[quartz ingot]

U were not 1 shotting with the sniper in bf1 lol

[winged sable]

It removed, swapped and altered kits from their original forms.

[quartz ingot]

Maybe at a certain range, sure

[strange monolith]

If you can use your fav gun and your fav gadget why are you ever changing class?

[spring plume]

Martini-Henry? literally any sniper with the sweet spot mechanic?

[frozen ore]

Radical? Huh? 2042 was radical, BF1 was a switch up but not radical

[wintry fossil]

BF1 had amazing sweet spot for sniper

[quartz ingot]

I had a follow up statement

[wintry fossil]

I can tell you now that unless you hit a headshot, most of your shots are hit markers. NO MATTER the sniper, besides the tank hunter but that’s an elite.

[stark panther]

You heart was in the right place with that comment tho devs r working hard I hear you big G

[winged sable]

No, BF1 was radical, 2042 is the result of diverging from the working formula further.

BF1 is the catalyst.

[wintry fossil]

BF1 was radical in a good way. It was just a lot more slower placed, it had good mechanics tho

[winged sable]

You could even say BFH, but that was not a DICE title.

[winged sable]

Typical BF games are not slow, nor should they be.

[spring plume]

go play with the martini-henry and get back to me

[somber robin]

Recently went back to play BF1 and I fucking hated it.

[quartz ingot]

Thats 1 example out of all the snipers

[spring plume]

"NO MATTER the sniper"

[stark panther]

Its not truly slow at all

[dire crypt]

Weapons are the primary way most players interact with the game, especially the primary. Players proximity and response is massively dictated by the effective range of their weapon and the effective range of the opposing players weapon. When meta weapons emerge, everyone gravitates towards them regardless of class, essentially creating an agnostic class of similar range and effectiveness. This reduces a significant amount of reliance on teammates. BF was all about require you to rely on teammates because you couldn’t be as effective with a specific class at specific ranges.

Answer this. What the point of classes at all if all weapons are unlocked? Is that not functionally just perks you select? Why not remove classes and people can just pick perks and weapons at that point?

[winged sable]

I’m not saying it is, I was addressing his call that it is. The game died to any reasonable player when they nuked the slide.

[quartz ingot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wWSvIje553Q?si=z-fNAFZrIuLaehQ1

There

[spring plume]

class decision are always based on weapon first. class second

[quartz ingot]

There was a person with 100 hp and he hit him only for 72 dmg

[dire crypt]

Then they need to address that on a gameplay level without undoing the core elements that I was highlighting

[spring plume]

congrats

[wintry fossil]

I’m not saying the next game should be slow. I was just saying that it was slow, but the other parts of the game was good

Class balancing was good. There’s not a single class that I can pin point that is over powered

[glacial gull]

2024 the sequel incoming. I’ll stay cautiously optimistic. Just lock certain weapon types to classes and have other guns for every class. Otherwise everyone’s running the same load out

[dire crypt]

And that’s absolutely not universally true (though some data suggest it is for many)

[winged sable]

Even BFH had better mechanics and gameplay than BF1.

[wintry fossil]

I have 400 hours in the game, I’ve tried everything 😂

[winged sable]

And that’s saying a lot for a glorified DLC.

[spring plume]

only the sweaty nerds are running the same loadout, oh wait, they already do

[quartz ingot]

Thanks, so you were being a liar

[somber robin]

I think that Bf1 gunplay is garbage

[stark panther]

I hear you sorry I misunderstood 🙂

[spring plume]

your reading comprhension skills are quite limited

[somber robin]

And BF1 movement is trash

[wintry fossil]

Too brain washed by bf2042’s cod like features

[winged sable]

Same.

[quartz ingot]

Or running the same class because they all want to use the same guns.

[somber robin]

Never played

[dire crypt]

Maybe spell correctly if you’re going to insult someone’s reading level?

[wintry fossil]

My message is about teamwork and classes

[wintry fossil]

Thank god

[quartz ingot]

"Martini-Henry? literally any sniper with the sweet spot mechanic?" U sure about that?

[spring plume]

@dire cryptmaybe repeat the same message 5 more times to get a pat on the back from the echochamber a few more times?

[glacial gull]

I’ve seen the loadout thing way more than the class thing over the years in BF

[quartz ingot]

Don't attack me for proving you wrong

[glacial gull]

Albeit I started on BF3

[dire crypt]

Keep trying to insult people on here if you want. It’s just kinda sad

[glacial gull]

You guys might have more years on the franchise than I do

[wintry fossil]

I definitely think bf1 feels sluggish with its gun play

[spring plume]

brother, they hit them for 72 because they wernt in the sweet spot, its not rocket science

[spring plume]

?

[stark panther]

Lmao

[glacial gull]

I just want to play a solid BF game

One day

[quartz ingot]

What's the sweet spot? Shoving the gun into the characters asscl cheeks?

[dire crypt]

I just hate the binary that DICE has dictated. There are other solutions to the issues other than unlocking all guns it is not an either/or.

[wintry fossil]

It’s radical, not trash. It is slower, but feels much better than being able to slide cancel and bunny hop and dive 40 feet into another direction

[spring plume]

have you literally never played bf1

[stark panther]

yeah bf heroes was awesome but I and id bet money most ppl preferred bf1

[quartz ingot]

Look at the range he was at rofl

[quartz ingot]

Played it quite a bit. Thanks

[spring plume]

then quit pretending to not know what that is

thanks

[somber robin]

Thats my problem, it feels sluggish, and then the movement just is not dynamic at all.

[winged sable]

The Sweet Spot mechanic was a mistake.

[wintry fossil]

I’m telling you now that they’re not always 1 hit kills lmao

[stark panther]

Then its a skill issue

Jk

[somber robin]

True it was stupid

[wintry fossil]

We aren’t talking about movement tho. We’re talking about team play, classes

[winged sable]

And I have already told you, BF1 is a bad example.

You want to see strong team play? Watch old comp BF3 games.

[stark panther]

Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 1 are my favourites

[winged sable]

Hell, even BC2 had more cohesion than BF1.

[stark panther]

BC2 is third

[somber robin]

Team play? Teamates are just spawn points.

Prove me wrong

[stark panther]

They are all different but know what they all have in common is Class Specific Weapons

[quartz ingot]

More like bf2

[stark panther]

Both, stop it lol

[winged sable]

:bedge:

[stark panther]

Man i love bf2 tho

[cerulean zephyr]

Hellllo all ! 😄

[quartz ingot]

100%

[spring plume]

bf2, where people did nothing but spam nades everywhere

[winged sable]

Let me tell you something.

[stark panther]

I was abit too young for that one but watched my dad played it alot

[quartz ingot]

As opposed to bf3 and bf4?

[stark panther]

All warfare has nades lol

[winged sable]

BF3 was nade fest.

[spring plume]

they didnt resupply every 2 seconds like in bf2

[stark panther]

Nades are super effective

[winged sable]

BF4 was just…. AEK go BRRRRRRT simulator 2013.

[spring plume]

or people macroing the an-94

[quartz ingot]

So most people played te class for aek and an-94

Fuck other classes amiright?

[winged sable]

I don’t see how you macro the An-94 when it’s capped at 900RPM, but, sure.

[spring plume]

to remove the delay between bursts

[stark panther]

Wassup bro from the place Operation Metro took place

[wintry fossil]

I want them to completely ignore and scrap 2042’s idea, and take hints to work with their previous titles. They said “best aspects from each title”. They better reliever

Deliver

[winged sable]

I mean, you don’t need a macro to do that. Just use the M4. It can 2-burst up to 1796RPM. If you burst it right.

[cerulean zephyr]

Hello, English friends. Sorry, I'm French, I use Google Translate.

If I register tonight, do you think I could be selected for this weekend's playtest?

Have fun everyone, and take care, friends.

[cerulean zephyr]

Opération métro omg ❤️

[winged sable]

Way to violate NDA.

[stark panther]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mad-fish-sponge-bob-angry-gif-12369198217513035864

[solid hinge]

Some of us wanna go back to atacama desert

[stark panther]

OPPS

jail

Jail right away

I apologize dice ill stfu im just stoked

[solid hinge]

No no tell us more

[winged sable]

There better not be fucked inputs this time DICE.

[stark panther]

I got an email thats all ill say lmao

Very happy

[turbid parcel]

I wish I got an invite been playing since bad company 😭

Gg

[winged sable]

This round is PCMR.

[solid hinge]

Check ur spam folder

[broken ridge]

i dont want class locked weapons, please let me play as support with sniper rifle, so i can heal and get ammo while 50m away from the objective

[winged sable]

Brother ugh

[spring plume]

that the point, with the macro you didnt have to "burst it right" you just held it down like any other AR

[winged sable]

TL;DR - Skill Issues.

[quartz ingot]

This doesn't matter much because he's not PTFO and less than 10 kills by the end of the game lol

[winged sable]

I wonder what the wonky weapon will be this time around.

[spring plume]

wonky in what way

[stark panther]

You and what army

Jk

[winged sable]

XBow, Phantom Bow, Ghostmaker.

All wonky weapons.

[hardy python]

Did u ever figure this out im having the same issue?

[spring plume]

gimmie a musket

[winged sable]

That’s just Mackay’s Grapple Hook.

[quartz ingot]

These are fun weapons, not wonky

[winged sable]

These can be non-exclusive.

[stark panther]

Hell yes

[spring plume]

poison blowdart

[stark panther]

I like cowboy revolvers

I liked how BF1 had class specific side-arms and universal ones too

Nice mix

[broken ridge]

all the good devs went to embark, and the leftovers behind 2042 don't know how to make a good game

[stark panther]

TEACH EM

[spring plume]

its ok to not be the target audience of a game, its not the end of the world

[stray kayak]

I'm glad I will get to be Support with one of my favorite guns that it definitely wouldn't have had access to otherwise

[stark panther]

Make them play 1000 ticket battlefield 3 servers

[winged sable]

Incendiarrow should make a return.

It was a good idea in the CTE.

[stark panther]

You have access to every gun if you buy the game

Play the class with da gun

Its how the military works sorta (not really lol)

[small summit]

Players: We want locked weapons
Devs: -does the exact opposite-
Also devs: We totally didn't listen to what the players wanted. Why aren't they buying our game?!

[spring plume]

whos we

[limber heart]

Fr

[spring plume]

most people dont care at all, they just play the game

[somber robin]

Holy True

[stark panther]

I care kinda alot

I think it will sell more

[stray kayak]

Then I won't use the gadgets because I don't like the role

[somber robin]

If im being honest, sounds like Ill just be able to farm more in the new game lol

[stark panther]

They can make ign sponsored posts that hype it up lol

[stark panther]

Yeah fair play

[small summit]

pretending like people aren't pushing back on this on social media

[limber heart]

Not many ppl even care about it

[stray kayak]

It's very intentional that this was revealed now, the big reveal will be in a few weeks and this will be swept away

[spring plume]

theres always a loud vocal minority complaining on literally every social platform for every game / product

whats your point

[small summit]

The point is that you're responding in bad faith, but go on.

[stark panther]

Majority*

[somber robin]

Also, I genuinely dont understand how we are saying that a system in a game we have not played is terrible and needs to be changed.

[limber heart]

The dumbest argument is about snipers having ammo boxes

[stray kayak]

They tend to have a negative impact on the games too. DICE has made numerous good changes post BF4 yet the "OGs" whine because it's not BF2 reskinned

[stark panther]

Because its not a battlefield system lol dude

[stark panther]

Super easy to conceive

[spring plume]

yeah but that 1 sniper respawning every 10 minutes instead, having infinite ammo with their beacon totally isnt doing the same thing besides losing 1 ticket every time am i right

[somber robin]

Who the fuck cares? What if its fun or what if it works?

[spring plume]

this weekend

[robust marten]

Thx

[stray kayak]

redeploy, run back. I won't pretend like I haven't done it once or twice (I hate Recon tho)

[stark panther]

Like what lmao, cope bro

[stark panther]

Thats besides the point, but I agree with the logic

[somber robin]

How can that possibly be beside the point?

I am just holding out judgement till I test it.

[stark panther]

I don’t think it will tho, it didnt in the last game is the point

Like what are we missing here

[spring plume]

holy based

[stark panther]

I do respect it

[ripe raft]

lock weapons = good, no lock = bad. Discussion over

[small summit]

Did you find everyone using the PP-19 or VHX fun in 2042?

[somber robin]

Never played

[stray kayak]

Vehicle animations and pilot/tanker classes were both responses to long term problems, and they were hated by the vocal minority

[small summit]

Then you have no horse in this race.

[stray kayak]

AK-12 gang all the way, never used em

[frozen ore]

We can say we tested it in 2042 though, right? I prefer class locked weapons

[ripe raft]

design philosophy of early battlefield games with class lock loadouts = good, design philosophy of new battlefield games without class lock loadouts = bad

[frozen ore]

Ever released*

[somber robin]

That may be true.

[stark panther]

I never heard them tbh I liked that it was like a sub class, they were the minority sounds like. This isn’t the minority at all I heard about this on reddit

[somber robin]

But further proves my point

[stray kayak]

LMAO bro thinks reddit is the majority

[somber robin]

lol

[stark panther]

All respect tho im being alittle turd telling ya to cope

[small summit]

"Hmmm yes this guy has already experienced this system before, clearly he has no idea what he's talking about" said the person who's never played the game containing said system.

Pot, meet kettle.