battlefield-legacy-titles

[subtle spear]

They're more accurate than snipers when you're strafing and being suppressed, which is 90% of the hardcore TDM experience

If you aren't dead, you're under suppression, which makes snipers utterly dogshit if you're standing and moving

[winged sable]

Bro

Just

Stop

[subtle spear]

Shotguns have a superior fire rate and generally don't whiff nearly as bad as snipers do

[winged sable]

Strafing

It’s not FortNite

[subtle spear]

Oh yes, just stand there while an M240 is going brrrrrrr

I can tank that, right?

[winged sable]

It’s called

Find cover

And wait

Don’t

Be

A

Sped

[subtle spear]

If you watch the video, you'll see that the first thing I did when that LSAT popped off was find cover. I say there until it stopped.

Guess what, the literal micro second I leave cover, I'm being lit up

[winged sable]

And what kind of subhuman subjects themselves to the objectively worse version BF.

[subtle spear]

That machine gunner had me dialed in

[winged sable]

Discover PC.

[subtle spear]

Unfortunately PCs are expensive

Not an option at the moment

[winged sable]

KEK

[subtle spear]

Oh I'm sorry, I have a plethora of bills to pay for

[winged sable]

You can buy an APU and it’ll run BF4 faster than any console.

Same

Still have a PC.

Either way.

[subtle spear]

Okay well I can't afford a PC

Not much I can do about it

[winged sable]

There is, but you wouldn’t like it.

[subtle spear]

Uhh no there isnt

[winged sable]

And it is outside the scope.

Regardless.

[subtle spear]

Outside the scope?

Wdym

[winged sable]

Snipers are the best weapons in HC.

[subtle spear]

Wdym

[winged sable]

Regardless of platform, this is scripture.

[subtle spear]

I don't like sniper rifles

They're slow and unweildy

[winged sable]

L

M

A

O

[subtle spear]

And the recon class as a whole is literally useless in TDM

[winged sable]

Just use the CS5.

[random blade]

not if you play them properly

[subtle spear]

I don't have the CS5

[winged sable]

Why not?

Don’t tell me you’re playing on a 7th gen.

[subtle spear]

Because I don't use recon

The class as a whole is just pointless to me

[winged sable]

A good recon is more valuable than a good assault.

[subtle spear]

And yet a good recon will get little to no kickback for teamwork effort

[winged sable]

So?

It’s not about you; it’s about the team.

[subtle spear]

What does a recon do in TDM

literally nothing

Unless he's a good shot

But that's it

[winged sable]

Motion sensor.

Claymore

[subtle spear]

Hardcore, borderline useless mid combat

Claymores are a bite in the ass in hardcore

[winged sable]

Not really, there is audio cues.

[subtle spear]

You can blow yourself up and teammates

[winged sable]

C4 is on the recon kit.

[subtle spear]

C4 is for corner campers, try again

Or inducing levolution

[winged sable]

SUAV can kamikaze off spawn.

You can bonk someone with the DS-3 and get a kill.

[subtle spear]

SUAVs are just pricks

[winged sable]

Hand Flare Kills.

[winged sable]

11.4k here KEKE

[subtle spear]

Okay cool. You can be an incredibly annoying prick with recon. But how are you helping your team

[winged sable]

Taking out point runners via assassination tactics.

JFK would tremble.

[subtle spear]

So you're not actually being helpful directly to your team

[winged sable]

Getting behind enemy lines.

[winged sable]

Taking out a farmer is far better than just letting him run through the team.

[subtle spear]

I can take out farmers just fine with assault and support, what's your point

Assault has 3shot tubes and support has mortars and a freaking cruise missile

Recon is borderline useless in Hardcore TDM

[winged sable]

TDM, let alone HC, is such a severe minority of the community (what remains at least) that is should never even be under consideration for class evaluation.

You don’t play BF to play TDM.

[subtle spear]

"Oh no, that LMG gunner on that hill is holding our team back"

Over radio: "Predator Missile Inbound"

[subtle spear]

In BF4 there are just as many populated HC servers as there are Core

[winged sable]

Cruise Missiles can be shot down.

[subtle spear]

I can name 15 servers on Xbox that I regularly play in

[subtle spear]

Yeah but so can SUAVs

Your point?

SUAVs are actually easier to shoot down

[winged sable]

Only the ones that can’t hit evasive maneuvers.

[subtle spear]

The only time I can see a Recon being useful is on the open outdoor maps and using a MAV while verbally communicating to the squad

[winged sable]

MAV

KEK

[subtle spear]

MAV also blows up claymores and C4, so it can help

[winged sable]

Just have a double agent then if that’s your idea.

[subtle spear]

You do realize a single slug brings down a SUAV right?

You wont have time to evade lol

It'll already be blown up

[winged sable]

If YOU can hit a SUAV no problem, then your whole argument about Slug Struggle should’ve never happened.

[subtle spear]

Well if you're standing still and kneeling, the accuracy is amazing on first shot

Vs when you're actively standing, strafing, and being shot at

Wild difference there

[winged sable]

You think I’ll send a SUAV in without cover fire?

[subtle spear]

Fair enough. Even then, if it gets closer than 20m and I'm looking right at it, it's an easy kill, even if you're suppressed

SUAV has a ginormous frontal hitbox

Can sneeze and hit that thing

[winged sable]

Clip it.

[subtle spear]

Pfff I don't have any

SUAVs are incredibly rare in my experience

I almost never see them in any of the lobbies I play

[winged sable]

So you’re inexperienced with good pilots?

[subtle spear]

I actually almost never see recon in HC anyways

[subtle spear]

I'm experienced in playing against people who also don't think recon is good for HC TDM

[winged sable]

Then you swim in a very shallow pool, friend.

[subtle spear]

Actually I swim in the larger side of the pool. The people who use the other three classes that are more useful in team based combat

[winged sable]

It seemed to miss you.

[subtle spear]

You how recons get the most kills in HC?
Claymores. And 80% of them are teammates

[winged sable]

You play in the minority of the minority of the minority of player bases.

Thus a shallow pool.

[subtle spear]

Good. I don't like being considered part of the broader spectrum of gamers

Core is steaming dogshit for my playlist

[winged sable]

Okay, then BF shouldn’t be a consideration for you.

Consider Arma. 🙂

[subtle spear]

Did we or did we not just establish that I don't have a PC

[winged sable]

Reforger is on console.

[subtle spear]

I also don't like really hardcore sims

I just don't like how doodoo BF4 core is with my play style

Also Arma players generally want people with mics

I have a mic, I just don't

I like the arcade style gameplay of BF4. Fast paced, not super realistic, but fun

What I don't like about core is the absolute absurdity of people surviving the stuff that they do

[winged sable]

Brain dead take.

[subtle spear]

An RPG landing right next to you? Yeah no, you're liquefied.
A 12g slug hitting you in the pelvic bowl? You just exploded.
A CheyTac .407 boring a hole directly through you're chest? You're not walking awY

[winged sable]

Then just be muted on Reforger.

EZ

[subtle spear]

I also don't like sims

Noty thing. Far too sweaty and far too many mechanics

[winged sable]

Then why bother with HC?

So

[subtle spear]

Because core has people surviving stuff they shouldnt

It's bollocks

[winged sable]

You want a sim that isn’t a sim, but plays like CoD?

[subtle spear]

Have you ever seen what a 1 ounce piece of steel moving twice the speed of sound does to a person? They literally explode

[random blade]

no

and I don't care

[subtle spear]

I want more believable TTKs without all the mechanics of a sim

I should be able to drop you with three shots from a Magpul

[winged sable]

I

Go play Insurgency Sandstorm.

[subtle spear]

Also a sim

Not my thing

[winged sable]

What?

[subtle spear]

I've tried reforger and insurgency

I have over 200 hours in each

[winged sable]

Magpul is a magazine manufacturer.

[subtle spear]

I can confidently say it's not for me

[subtle spear]

Magpul

As in the PDR

The manufacturer of the PDR

The fake smg

The PDW-R in game

It's in the SMG category despite not actually being an SMG

It's actually a bullpup assault rifle

Which is why it can kill in three shots in HC

Much better damage line than any of the other SMGs

It's also more accurate and has the furthest range to drop off in class

[finite mauve]

Battlefield 4 pdw that shoots 5.56 that's classified as a pdw for some reason

I mean maybe it's barrel length but both round and barrels length is what classifies it as smg or not

Its not that small

But is sorta

[winged sable]

Not fake.

It was prototyped, but never gone into production.

So, yes and no.

[subtle spear]

I called itt he fake smg because it's not an SMG but it's in the SMG class in game

I know what the PDR is

[finite mauve]

Its odd how a gun that isn't that small that shoots 5.56 is classified as a pdw (smg)

Its odd

[subtle spear]

It's in the name

PDR

Personal Defense Rifle

[finite mauve]

Yeah

But it's rifle

[subtle spear]

I'm aware

[finite mauve]

So maybe it should be carbine lol

[subtle spear]

It has rifle damage too

[finite mauve]

5.56

[subtle spear]

Nah it's smaller than most of the carbines

[finite mauve]

True

Its just shy of carbine length sorta

[winged sable]

It’s a bull up, of course it’d be shorter.

[finite mauve]

Yeah

Might as well be a carbine lol

[subtle spear]

It only has a 10.5" barrel, so much smaller than most carbines and rifles

[finite mauve]

True

[subtle spear]

Pretty sure the M4 has a 16 inch barrel

[finite mauve]

Partly why range and stability is like a smg

[subtle spear]

Correct, but it hits harder than most as well

And it's stupidly accurate

HC Locker is literally sneezing with the PDR

[finite mauve]

Although it's bullpup so it shouldn't have that much

[winged sable]

HC Bedge

[finite mauve]

I love the AUG

I lovr bullpups in general

[winged sable]

Know who doesn’t?

[subtle spear]

It has 25 round STANAGs

[winged sable]

||US Military||

[finite mauve]

Lol

[subtle spear]

So it has good ammo capacity

[finite mauve]

Now they have Sig mcx spear they are adopting

[subtle spear]

On par with the famas, which fires the same round

The problem is that the PDR sucks in core. Which is why no one uses it

[winged sable]

FAMAS has clout tho.

[subtle spear]

Damn right it does

The PDR doesnt

[finite mauve]

Famas goes brrr

[subtle spear]

Because it sucks in core

[winged sable]

G1 or F1

[finite mauve]

Whats the difference

Is f1 burst and semi only?

[winged sable]

He should know if he knows guns.

[subtle spear]

F1, duh

F1 is the goat

[winged sable]

Wrong

[subtle spear]

Screw that trigger guard

Scuse me?

[winged sable]

You heard me.

[subtle spear]

Dude I hate the full trigger guard on the G1

It always gets in the way

[winged sable]

G1 all the way.

[subtle spear]

They have the same performance values

It's literally the same gun

Besides

You know what

[finite mauve]

There's a hand guard though

[subtle spear]

G1 was never put to production

The difference is the G1 has better grips and a big ass guard on it

Supposedly to help with glove wearers

I hate it though, gets in my way

[subtle spear]

Both F1 and G1 were capable of full auto

The mechanics themselves weren't changed

Just the QoL of the handling, supposedly

[subtle spear]

There's a reason why the G1 was never put to production

The F1 was perfectly fine

In any case

The famas has clout because it's good

Meanwhile the PDR is ass because you can't even get 3 kills in a magazine on core

The famas can

I swear core has some truly garbage balancing

It's god tier in HC. but utter garbage in core

[tropic folio]

be fr anything can be god tier in the one shot kill game mode

[subtle spear]

Very true

But there are some serious problems with some guns in core

Like slugs not oneshotting with a headahot

The PDR takes nine rounds to kill someone

That's two kills per mag maximum

[winged sable]

Skill issue.

[subtle spear]

Not a skill issue. That's literally the game

You cannot get more than 2 kills per mag

[winged sable]

30+1 @ 24.5 Damage per shot.

[subtle spear]

No?

It's 25

[winged sable]

Your math isn’t mathing.

[subtle spear]

Not 30

[winged sable]

The PDW-R?

What kind of drugs are you on bro?

[subtle spear]

The PDR does 11 damage to the body and 20 to the head

9 shots to the body and 5 to the head

[winged sable]

??????????????????????????

[subtle spear]

According to the stat page

[winged sable]

What God-forbidden dogshit have you been consuming?

[worthy plume]

Sfar-m better

[subtle spear]

The PDR has a 25round magazine

[subtle spear]

We're talking BF4

[winged sable]

No.

[subtle spear]

Yes

[winged sable]

Check sym.gg

[worthy plume]

It’s 30 rounds 😭

[winged sable]

Bro is a dead head.

No cells left.

[subtle spear]

Oh yeah it was showing me not BF4 lmao

It is 30

Even then, only 3 kills then

[winged sable]

Uh…. Huh.

Look at the damage model.

[subtle spear]

And it takes most of the magazine in core

[winged sable]

Look

At

[void robin]

is bf6 playtest up?

[winged sable]

The

Damage

Model

What is 100 / 24?

[worthy plume]

586

[subtle spear]

5

Shots to kill

[winged sable]

Then the PDW-R is a 5STK

Just like Carbines.

[subtle spear]

Yes, it was showing me BF3, and all the pages look the same

It's only 3 in HC

[winged sable]

Uh….huh.

[subtle spear]

As it should be

[worthy plume]

What is the all time best gun in 2042

[subtle spear]

SVK

It's incredibly stupid

[winged sable]

Rorcsh Mk4

[worthy plume]

I was using that like crazy till I unlocked the sfar

[subtle spear]

If you have the aim, it's cracked

[subtle spear]

Lmao it's so goofy. 1 shot headshots at 100m? And so auto?

[winged sable]

Oh, I know. I’m on PC.

[subtle spear]

With the 6x thermal it's disgusting

[worthy plume]

What class is that

[subtle spear]

Yeah I'm not lol

[subtle spear]

Special

[winged sable]

Utility.

[subtle spear]

Same as shotguns

Utility yeah

In any case, the PDR suffers in core

[winged sable]

R10 is my personal favorite.

No, it doesn’t.

[worthy plume]

Nah not 1 shot from far but it’s good asf, 2 shot body but the SFAR seems better it’s OP

[winged sable]

If you’re disabled and/or inept at aiming on your preferred input, then it is simply not going to work for spray and pray tactics.

[subtle spear]

It has the same damage profile as carbines, but objectively worse accuracy

[winged sable]

That’s what Hbar is for.

[subtle spear]

It is a 1 shot out to 100m. 2 shot body is out to 100m as well

[subtle spear]

Hbar?

[winged sable]

He doesn’t know abbreviations……

[subtle spear]

I know its meaning in physics regarding Planck

[finite mauve]

After yesterday for the first time using the scar H effectively I can say I love the gun

[subtle spear]

But not in BF

[winged sable]

No

[subtle spear]

Then what do you mean then

[winged sable]

Heavy BARrel

HBAR

[subtle spear]

Then just say heavy barrel

[winged sable]

You know like…

[subtle spear]

I do use heavy barrel

Unfortunately a Hbar PDR is still worse than stock barrel carbines like the M4

[winged sable]

Every other player that plays Bf just says Hbar.

[subtle spear]

Been playing for 10 years. Never heard of it

Either way. Heavy barrel isn't as good as you think

It's still worse than carbines

[winged sable]

He just confirmed the shallow pool theory again…..

[subtle spear]

I also almost never play with people in comms

[winged sable]

Do you even know what Hbar does?

[subtle spear]

So I never hear people say it

[subtle spear]

Tightens your accuracy. Reduces barrel float

[winged sable]

No

[subtle spear]

Uhhh yeah?

I thought heavy increased accuracy

[winged sable]

It halves your ADS inaccuracy and increases recoil by 33%.

[subtle spear]

Yeah. Increases accuracy at the cost of stability

[winged sable]

No

[subtle spear]

Recoil is stability

[winged sable]

Recoil doesn’t mean stability.

[subtle spear]

So yes

Then what is stability

[winged sable]

The in game stats are not usable metrics.

Don’t use them.

It’s brain dead.

[worthy plume]

Bro why u putting periods at the end we on discord

[subtle spear]

My brother in Christ I'm looking at the words right now

Accuracy is the cone through which your bullets may have the potential to land
Stability is the recoil of the weapon, specifically how hard the weapon is to control under sustained automatic fire

Higher stability = lower recoil

Easier to control the weapon

[unique basalt]

what's the download size for bf1 ?

[winged sable]

Do you even know what the base cone is for each class?

Barring outliers.

[subtle spear]

Not specifically, but I know the PDR has higher accuracy but lower stability than the carbines

Sorry, other way around

[winged sable]

Again

[subtle spear]

It has higher stability but lower accuracy than carbines

[winged sable]

If you are not disabled and/or inept at using your preferred input, you will not have an issue using the PDW-R.

[subtle spear]

As a PDR user you are far more likely to get shid on by an ACW-R than not

[winged sable]

Skill

Issue

[subtle spear]

Simply because you lack the ROF and accuracy

Especially at ranges further than 20m

[winged sable]

20m….

[subtle spear]

Its accuracy is that bad that if a person is smaller than a cobra lense then you're gonna miss some

They shoot off to the sides pretty bad beyond that point

[winged sable]

Then burst.

Just like a normal player does.

Like EVERY player does.

[subtle spear]

And get domed by carbines and ARs with better damage and accuracy profiles?

Hilarious concept

Id rather use shotguns and get OHKs at a far better range than most ARs

A 1014 with slugs can OHK out to 70m iirc

[winged sable]

And this is why we shouldn’t implement HC modes into an arcade shooter, ladies and gents.

Copium beyond the wildest dreams.

[subtle spear]

I'm a shotgun main, what do you expect

The fact that you can survive a slug in core is actually bad

I don't see them surviving .308 in core

[winged sable]

Just use the fucking 870.

[subtle spear]

870 won't either lmaoooo

Shotguns don't have headshot multipliers

[winged sable]

Skill issue

Genuine

[subtle spear]

So it's a skill issue that the gun is physically incapable of getting OHLs in core

My problem?

Yeah sure

[winged sable]

It does OHK.

[subtle spear]

Not in core

[winged sable]

Stop aiming at the legs.

[winged sable]

Yes it does.

[subtle spear]

Slugs do the same damage anywhere

Specifically slugs

You can shoot them in the foot and it'll do 75 damage

[fallow ginkgo]

which battlefield has the most players these days?

[subtle spear]

And you can't kill them with a headshot because it only does 75 damage

[winged sable]

My brother in Christ, Slugs has a 2x on the head.

[winged sable]

V

[subtle spear]

No it doesn't lmao

[winged sable]

Check

Sym

Dot

[subtle spear]

None of the shotguns shells have headshot multipliers in 4

[winged sable]

GgG

Use they do.

Stunned?

[subtle spear]

I'm also playing a game, sorry

[winged sable]

Because even semi-auto shotties can OSHK in Core.

[subtle spear]

With slugs?

No

[winged sable]

What is 75 x 2?

[subtle spear]

Hold on

I've shot people point blank in the face and they didn't die

Many many many times in core

[winged sable]

What is 75 x 2?

[subtle spear]

A buck fiddy, but I'm standing my ground

I've shot people in the face and they've lived

[winged sable]

Did you enable damage type hit markers?

[subtle spear]

I don't have any hit markers. They're horribly annoying

[winged sable]

Then you aren’t hitting them in the face then.

[subtle spear]

Pretty sure my barrel against their dome constitutes as the face

[winged sable]

I don’t care what you’re seeing, but you’re clearly not hitting them in the face.

Okay.

[subtle spear]

Like I've walked up to unaware players and point blanked them in the face

[winged sable]

Do you know where the shots come from out of your character?

[subtle spear]

I don't mean physically

I'll be like 5 ft away

[winged sable]

Answer the question.

[random blade]

looking at sym, says here slugs do 2x headshot damage

[winged sable]

Do you know where the shots comes from?

[subtle spear]

I literally couldn't care less because it doesn't matter

[winged sable]

Yes it does.

[subtle spear]

No it doesnt

Because I'm not snogging them

I'm several feet awY

ADS with reticle on dome

No kill

[subtle spear]

Weird. I've never experienced that

[winged sable]

Diagnosis: ||Terminal Skill Issues||

[subtle spear]

Oh yeah, cos it's my fault that core just produces BS

[winged sable]

Yes

[subtle spear]

Like surviving a slug to the gut

[winged sable]

Yes

Because the DEFENSIVE PERK exists.

[subtle spear]

A human would shid their intestines out of their spine if a slug hit their pelvic bowl

[winged sable]

Did you ever think about the BF4 perk system?

[subtle spear]

I only ever use combat medic

Because, lol and behold, I'm a combat medic

[winged sable]

Not every player is you.

[subtle spear]

Okay so defensive perk is what, 10% reduced damage?

[winged sable]

7%

[subtle spear]

Still shouldn't save you from a 75x2 slug

Sooooo

It's why I don't play core

[winged sable]

Defensive doesn’t apply to the head.

[subtle spear]

It's just horrible in terms of TTK

[subtle spear]

Okay then it's still 2 shots to the chest, defensive perk or not

[winged sable]

Do you play on 7th gen consoles or something?

[subtle spear]

No I play on Series S

[winged sable]

So, yes effectively.

[subtle spear]

Idk lol

I forget what gen the Series are

In any case

Slugs are just piss poor in core

Unless you have ungodly snap aim

Which you rarely are capable of getting on controller

I've had a few, but they're body shot snaps, not headshots

HC is just more fun because I like the fast pace and it's actually better as a combat medic

So many points to get

Far faster than in core

[random blade]

booted up bf4, tested out slugs, they are a oneshot to the head

[subtle spear]

Cool, good to know

I just don't play core, so I don't remember that

HC is better for combat medics anyways

And it's better for slugs

The two things I main in this game

People die faster, so I revive more frequently and get more points per game

[random blade]

you reason though was because of slugs was it not?

[subtle spear]

Slugs are garbage in core unless you're just so good you get headshots every time

[tidal shuttle]

One good thing abt hc

Damn near everything is viable

[subtle spear]

Also I'm pretty sure that slug OHK headshots in core also stop at 35m, so it's still not great

[tidal shuttle]

you don’t have to rely on meta becuase that little pp bison will still one shot the same

[subtle spear]

At 35m slugs only do 47 dmg

So your max OHK in core is 35m, which is garbage

Slugs are an OHK headshot in all ranges in hardcore

Minimum slug damage is 38

[tidal shuttle]

So is a .44

[random blade]

puts them in their intended range

[subtle spear]

Yeah but the .44 is far less accurate than the M1014

[winged sable]

??????????

No

[subtle spear]

Actually yes. The M1014 is the most accurate shotgun, and can pretty easily tag targets from 150m away with the correct optic

The .44 is much harder to pull that off

Not saying it can't, but the cone on the .44 is larger

[winged sable]

I want you to look up Ravic .44 on YT and tell me it is hard to hit that shit.

[mystic star]

bfv hackin is so fukin pathetic

[winged sable]

It is easy.

[subtle spear]

Irl slugs are very accurate out to 200m, soooo

[random blade]

@subtle spear look in clips

[subtle spear]

Dawg I love ravic. I know his stuff. He's the one who put me on slugs in hardcore

[random blade]

two shot kill out sniping an ar user

[subtle spear]

Well yeah. That's a pump action

Pump action slugs do more damage than semis

The 1014 would also two kill at that range lol

[random blade]

well maybe use that then

[subtle spear]

1014 would also two shot at that range

They fall off to 38 minimum damage at the same range, the pump slugs just fall off faster than semis

Both pumps and slugs fall to 38 damage at 50m. Pumps just have 100 max damage and slugs are only 75

Also, I mainly play CQC

[random blade]

maybe don't use slugs then?

[subtle spear]

So I should use buckshot then?

😕

[random blade]

if you are up close, then yeah

[winged sable]

Please God don’t let this man ever get into Labs.

[random blade]

that's their purpose, and hardcore ups damage anyway so

[subtle spear]

Buck has the change of only damaging and not killing

Slugs just kill regardless of where they hit

[winged sable]

HC is just FF, and 60HP.

[subtle spear]

And besides, it's not like I'm frequently putting my barrel to their dome. I'm usually in the 5-20m range

[winged sable]

Bro is a PRIME example of why HC shouldn’t exist.

[subtle spear]

Exactly. Even a single slug will kill no matter where you hit

[subtle spear]

HC is fun, wdym

I dominate hardcore lobbies lmao

[winged sable]

Again, if you want a HC arcade shooter go play Insurgency.

[random blade]

so you are playing slug hardcore for easy kills then

[winged sable]

He would be farmed on PC.

Thank God he is lesser.

[subtle spear]

For a more realistic weapon performance

[subtle spear]

Didn't like insurgency

[random blade]

literally just got a 40m slug instakill

[subtle spear]

In core? Only with a headshot lol

[winged sable]

He’s brain dead chat.

[subtle spear]

Or the 870 the best slugger for damage falloff

[winged sable]

FeelsCasualMan

[subtle spear]

I honestly don't sweat when I play though

I'm not playing to be the best there is

I'll have TDM matches where I go 40 and 35

[winged sable]

“I dominate on hardcore”

[subtle spear]

Oh yeah, especially on conquest

[winged sable]

Please never upgrade from your Series S.

[subtle spear]

Nah I'm good

[winged sable]

I hope your console works forever.

[subtle spear]

I had one game

What's that snow maps with the flying ship in the hangar?

[winged sable]

…

[subtle spear]

The DLC one

Red icon

I forget map names

[winged sable]

…

[subtle spear]

What

[winged sable]

…

[subtle spear]

Anyways

[random blade]

yeah, so you can achieve what you are after 100% vanilla

[subtle spear]

Yeah but I'm not that accurate

I'm not always gonna pop domes

[winged sable]

Don’t try. He is convinced it is the game and not him.

[subtle spear]

Oh this I'll admit is me

I'm not ravic

I don't dome every dude I come across

[random blade]

at least we got there

[subtle spear]

Ye

But still

[random blade]

I thought your sole reason for hardcore was because slugs don't oneshot

[subtle spear]

I had a game recently on that map where me and my squad mate had twice as many points as anyone else on the team

We lost, but we carried the team ourselves

Running around capping objectives, reviving teammates, and clapping cheeks with the 1014

My buddy was running the RPK, which is a mid range monster

[random blade]

double slug headshot

damn this thing is strong

[subtle spear]

I agree

[random blade]

clips again

[subtle spear]

I just don't like core because of the nuances of crappy damage

You could be 200m away and a 12 gauge slug would penetrate lvl 4 body armor and punch a grapefruit size hole in your chest

[night quarry]

how do i submit a bug screenshot

theres a gaping hole near d 1 on orbital

[subtle spear]

That's like what, 20m?

Maybe 25?

[random blade]

around 35 according to the squad markers

[subtle spear]

Yeah at that range it's around 125 damage

I think OHK headshots stop at around 45m for that gun

[random blade]

i just think oneshot bodyshots with this thing is kinda boring

[subtle spear]

It's accurate

Even lvl 4 plate armor can't stop those things

If you get shot by a slug, you're gonna die

It's pretty much a law

[random blade]

well yeah, it's got good accuracy, even while strafing it doesn't seem to have much spread or even drop for that matter

[subtle spear]

No I meant the OHK body shots are accurate portrayal

[random blade]

oh

[subtle spear]

Ye

[random blade]

I don't care about that tbh

[subtle spear]

A 730m/s slug can punch right through body armor and you

[random blade]

would rather something be fun than realistic

[subtle spear]

One shot bodies are fun

Especially when you can dumpster three people in a row

[random blade]

not when they don't feel rewarding

hence why I don't like using regular shotguns in most games

[subtle spear]

Pretty sure my clip with the elevator classifies as rewarding

[winged sable]

Brother, just save yourself the trouble. This one is too far deep in the copium.

[random blade]

i wouldn't feel any real accomplishment killing those guys

if anything i feel sorry for their inability to notice you there lol

[gentle plover]

Smoking someone in the head with a revolver is dopamine, hitting someone centre of mass from a mile away for the same effect is a snoozefest

[random blade]

okay maybe that's a bit harsh, you're having fun

[gentle plover]

I mean, so is jangling keys to the right individual

[sonic shuttle]

chat should i doomgrind bf4 or bf1 for 3 months nonstop

[random blade]

And that was the first time I’d touched 4 in 2 and a half years lol

Been putting more hours into bf1 recently as it’s my least played, man the pacing is so different

[subtle spear]

I killed two of them before they even knew I was there. The third definitely knew, but I outpeeked him.

I then magically survived an RGO landing at my feet

Also, to be entirely honest, if I had peeked the elevator with anything other than a shotgun, I would have died to the third guy

Simply because of the damage output

[winged sable]

Doubto

[random blade]

Assault rifle. Is what, 2 bullets to kill in hardcore? Could have gotten them all in a fraction of the time

[subtle spear]

AR is 3 at point blank

[winged sable]

3 for everything except 7.62 rifles.

M16 is probably broken.

[subtle spear]

M16 is great in HC

[random blade]

I really want a good battlefield game, man

I will straight up no life it for weeks if it’s good

2042 was going to be my big moment to just absolutely grind and master it, then it ended up killing my desire to play any shooters for a whole year

[gentle plover]

FPS don't be a zero skill gap ability/roller/cheater infested/matchmaking nightmare shooter challenge: impossible

[subtle spear]

Go play Titanfall

Never a dull moment there

[random blade]

Still do

Without a doubt my favourite shooter

[subtle spear]

Oh yeah. TF2 was my first fps

Quite possible the single best campaign I've ever played

[random blade]

When I booted up to test out this slug thing I actually had a proper fight with someone! They actually used movement and it was a genuinely fun fight, more intense than any in 1. That kind of energy is what I really want

Something that I want to invest time into because it’s fun and I want to get good

[subtle spear]

Slugs are great in core if you can pop headshots constanty

I cant

I'm on controller. Not great aim

I also have all of my aim assist disabled, so it's only true I put aim

[random blade]

Can appreciate the dedication

[summer forge]

It’s still active???

[subtle spear]

Ofc

[summer forge]

TitanFall 2??

I loved TitanFall 2

[summer forge]

Yea 2042 was bad. But I always need a shooter on stand by so I just went and found something else 😂😅

[gentle plover]

Yeah I imagine your odds of finding good players on BF4 are statistically good. I can't remember the last time I've had a good engagement where I couldn't chalk it down to cheese or hit reg.

Maybe the last time was when I got trounced by Focus

[subtle spear]

Most of the gamers I meet in HC TDM are using either the 1014 with slugs, AEK, or RPK

Most gamers

The RPK is disgusting in HC because it's a two shot headahot

I and it's so stupidly accurate

[random blade]

Just so happened I found someone competent in that first match

[random blade]

Sent me on a spree of singleplayer games which was very refreshing

Titanfall 2 I’ve not played fee a few weeks now actually. Quite enjoyed getting back up to speed with bf before the next one comes out

[subtle spear]

Community: we want Titanfall 3!
Respawn: so we added team deathwatch to Apex
Community: BLASPHEMY

[subtle spear]

Did you know you can collat with slugs on hardcore?

[random blade]

Well I don’t play hardcore, and haven’t had a situation that’s allowed for a collat so no I didn’t

Cool info though

Imagined it might given its projectile

[subtle spear]

Yeah I'm pretty sure an ounce of steel can through and through a person

Be glad they aren't brass lmao

[random blade]

Since most snipers can it seemed logical

[subtle spear]

True

[winged sable]

Did you know you can do an x16 collat with an arrow?

Or that the explosive tips are a secret mortar?

Or that the Phantom can exceed its own fire rate?

Or that in very special cirsumstances the M4 is the fastest killing weapon in the game barring Shotguns?

Or that the Mare’s Leg was nerfed 4 times before it was released?

[summer forge]

I’m surprised the ps4 servers are still up

[sterile jolt]

Semi auto shotgun slugs shouldn't one shot kill anyone, maybe it's balanced instead of being bollocks

[subtle spear]

They'll OHK headshots, but only out to 45m in core

They can OHK headshot at any range in hardcore

[sterile jolt]

So? Slug shotguns shouldn't be snipers,

Core is balanced hardcore isn't

[subtle spear]

They arent

But they're very effective mid range weapons

[subtle spear]

Irl slugs can penetrate full body armor at 200m, so no, core is not balanced

You're talking about a shell upwards of five times the mass of a 5.56 and moving just as fast

[gentle plover]

Games aren't reality, and last I checked they were better when they don't try to be.

[sterile jolt]

Irl ARs has effective ranges of 200 meters, 2042 proves why that shouldn't be the case

[gentle plover]

Oh god, pre spread change ARs and LMGs were dumb lol

[subtle spear]

Irl an M16 has an effective lethal range of over 3,000m, wdym

[sterile jolt]

RM68 could 5BTK people from 125 meters 😂

[timber trout]

Back in bf4 and bf3 shotgun was Op

[sterile jolt]

That's why games shouldn't resemble reality

[gentle plover]

Games are designed to be fun, an escape from reality. It's why I don't want a game about doing my taxes or washing dishes.

[timber trout]

Bf 2042 shotgun okay. Shot makes it worst. And not many shotgun to choose from.

[subtle spear]

Well it's effective range is only 800m, which is normal for most intermediate rifles

But the actual bullet is still lethal out to 3km

And that's almost any rifle bullet

You don't like the realism?

The lack thereof in core is even worse

[deep elk]

algum português ou alguns ? mandem mensagem

[subtle spear]

The only thing more frustrating than getting domed from 400m away by an RPK is not getting the kill with weapons that should absolutely get OHKs

[teal fractal]

they dont

the actual effective range for AR's is probably actually 50 meters in a real combat situation at most

100m is doable but its very hard to see anyone from 100m with camos in a deep forest

[subtle spear]

That's down to the person, not the rifle

[teal fractal]

200m is very very far

[subtle spear]

We're talking about the equipment itself

[subtle spear]

Not really?

Any decent shooter with a decent optic can plink targets at 200m

[teal fractal]

i had military training in estonia and people are almost invisible from 100m

[gentle plover]

We should also add lethal ricochets, and lethal debris, and random heart attacks, or debilitating stomach cramps from the digital MREs

[random blade]

Would rather not have people hitting me with ARs from across the map

[subtle spear]

Well yeah that's a bit too much

[teal fractal]

people underestimate camos a lot

[subtle spear]

I agree with the first two

Actually we have lethal debris

[gentle plover]

Please get out

[subtle spear]

If levolution counts

[teal fractal]

and your usual optics are just holos or red dots that dont really have much of magnification

[subtle spear]

Dude lethal ricochets would be awesome

[subtle spear]

Triji 4x32 is standard issue in the Marines, sooo

[gentle plover]

Why does this series attract so much brain rot

[teal fractal]

idk might be different in us

[subtle spear]

Yeah the USMC fields Trijicon 4x32 acogs (the one we see in BF4) as a standard optic for most of their weapons

[teal fractal]

5.56 is pretty light aswell

[subtle spear]

True, but it's very accurate and can kill from exceptional distances

[teal fractal]

it can yeah

i just cant really imagine an actual fight from 200m

we would just push further up til we are within better range to effect the enemy

[random blade]

Le smoke

[subtle spear]

Irl smoke grenades are mediocre unless they're Willies

[teal fractal]

irl smokes do nothing

[subtle spear]

They work, but a slight puff of wind can completely ruin it

[random blade]

Oh you talking about real life stuff

[subtle spear]

Yes lol

The only smokes that are positively great are Willies, and they're illegal for infantry to carry

[teal fractal]

a lot of them barely have any smoke coming out of them aswell

[subtle spear]

Yeah they're ass

I've used M18s before, very big letdown

They aren't made for pure obstruction, just to make it more difficult than usual

Smokes are more commonly used as designators rather than concealment

The only smokes that do a fantastic job at concealing are Willies, and they're illegal as hell

[teal fractal]

maybe some launcher based smokes are better but idk

never used them

[subtle spear]

Launcher smokes are willies

And they're not allowed to be carried by general infantry

[teal fractal]

yeah you need training for the launchers

[subtle spear]

Not because of that, but because some people like to launch them at people

And that's what we call a war crime

[teal fractal]

lol actually?

because we have frag rounds for infantry

[subtle spear]

Uh yeah, they're Willies

[subtle spear]

Frags aren't illegal

[teal fractal]

yeah idk ive never seen them in action

[subtle spear]

Willies are

[teal fractal]

weird

[subtle spear]

Frags usually kill you

[teal fractal]

smokes cause bio harm?

[subtle spear]

Willies will leave you covered in burns and scar you for life

[teal fractal]

ye

[subtle spear]

Willies as in Willy Pete

[teal fractal]

fair then

[subtle spear]

As in White Phosphorous

As in Incendiary smoke grenade

You can't shoot incendiaries at people lmao

[teal fractal]

we never got to shoot our gustavs

[subtle spear]

That sucks

I've held a Gustav before, they're cool

[teal fractal]

yeah i had training on them they are pretty bad ass

[subtle spear]

Imagine having a recoiless rifle accurate out to 2,000m

[teal fractal]

but the rounds are just insanely expensive on them

[subtle spear]

Especially those beamriders

[teal fractal]

and estonia doesnt really want to waste them on training

ive heard that some people have been lucky enough to fire them

but its pretty rare

[subtle spear]

Yeah, cos the beamriders cost a hefty 170,000 USD per warhead

[teal fractal]

yeah

we didnt even get to shoot our instalazas

😔

[subtle spear]

Oooof

I've fired an M240, M249, M4 (both the rifle and the shotgun), M2, M870, and an assortment of sidearms

[teal fractal]

i had training on our negevs which i got to fire aswell luckily then we got our r20s and got to try an usp

[subtle spear]

The IWI? sheesh that thing must have been fun

[teal fractal]

yeah very few got to try them out we got pretty lucky

[subtle spear]

Sounds like fun

[random blade]

I’ve fired the nerf revolver gun

Felt pretty cool

Picking up the bullets afterwards isn’t very fun though

[summer forge]

I hate that V never had game chat

[tidal shuttle]

🤦‍♂️ this next bf needs game chat and prox and global

Even in next gens

[summer forge]

Well I meant game text chat

But that too

[random blade]

Was confused what you meant then and remembered you are on console

[subtle spear]

Dude prox chat in BF4 back in its heyday would have been hilarious

[teal fractal]

Nah prox is idk

Id turn it off first thing

[subtle spear]

Yeah but can you imagine the prox chat with the Mach Jesus ragdolls

All you hear is aaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaa

[teal fractal]

I feel like majority of battlefield players drool on themselves while they play the game

Cant imagine what prox chat would be like

[summer forge]

Yep. lil ole console me lol

[summer forge]

It would just be toxic me telling my team to actually play and they suck 🤣😂

[winged sable]

The average BF player is worse than the average CoD player.

Just saying.

At this point I am certain that some players are just straight up unaware they are playing the game.

[summer forge]

Wouldnt surprise me

And if you try actually playing then you’re called a sweat

[stoic fable]

is it me or has the number of players for battlefield 1 and 5 increased

[graceful pagoda]

PSN, BF4, Air superiority and Silk Road. Anyone down to link up?

[gentle plover]

Eh, take away their RAA and I don't think they would be on par

[teal fractal]

Youre the epidome of all evil for understanding video games as a battlefield player

Learn the game? Cringe, actively try to improve? Cringe. Push for high scores? Cringe

Trying? In my casual milsim game?

👺

[gentle plover]

Why get better at the game when you can just ask the devs to slow down movement and buff aim assist?

[teal fractal]

Yeah

Increase prone movement speed and make maps more open

Add 300x scopes

On lmgs

Remove sliding its too cod like

Only sweats sprint so just make everyone slow walk its more causal that way

Ill go find a good rage bait on reddit rq

[twin needle]

Guys I’ve got a question

Here’s a hot take

Behemoths in battlefield 1 should have been available if the team is losing CONSISTENTLY and not by a large margin

[summer forge]

Well we know you’re just a casual on your 4kpm EU PC servers

Winning and being “good” is easy for you

Yes I want to be good, I want to be in top 4 every time, I want best squad, I want to win

I never said YOU have to play that way

[summer forge]

Is that how you play racing games?

Or have you never played one? Or did you never get past Mario cart?

[summer forge]

Wouldnt matter if it’s a trash team. You can give them every single advantage and they’d still lose.

[worthy plume]

Just play on pc..

Aim assist doesn’t stand a chance

[summer forge]

Just a bunch of casuals in here lol

[gentle plover]

I'm being facetious, I'm very much an advocate for raw input and self improvement.

[summer forge]

Ah, fair enough. Apologies to you.

[gentle plover]

All good, sarcasm isn't inherently clear via text

[summer forge]

I get irritated quickly when no one bothers to even try. Why the heck you even playing if you’re not going to try?

[summer forge]

So very true haha

[tidal shuttle]

Would’ve been greatness

[summer forge]

Gloriously toxic LOL

The old school MW2 lobbies

[teal fractal]

Very hot take since behemoth is heavily reliant on the player thats piloting it and if your team will play along with it. you can completely steamroll a game in just a tank alone

You can go from losing in all cap to countering and winning in all cap

[drowsy aurora]

Sorry if this is not the right channel but getting back into BF1 after years and realising I never got the DLCs. Just wondering if anyone knows the cheapest way to get them? Playing on Xbox.

[teal fractal]

You could buy the revolution edition

When its on sale

Or check eneba/instant gaming for sales they are trusted sites

[drowsy aurora]

That’s great thank you

Will look into those

[teal fractal]

Revolution edition is usually like 2-3 bucks on sales

Buying dlcs seperately costs way more for some reason

[summer forge]

Oh btw… I’m VERY used to being called evil and such while playing. That “toxic player who ruins the game”.

Why you think I want them to make a separate mode for those of us who want to PLAY, and get better? I’m not here to ruin casuals having fun. But you best believe I’m going to play my best every time. So does my boys.

[west mirage]

Wdym so doing good is equivalent to a toxic player now? 🤦‍♂️

[summer forge]

To some it apparently is

[west mirage]

Bruh that's wild

[teal fractal]

Its been like this for years lol with bf4 players using movement and people lash out at you for tryharding

[west mirage]

Might as well say that using meta weapons is toxic now...

[teal fractal]

Thats actually the case though

[west mirage]

This is sad honestly

[summer forge]

Just remember that Pickle is the one who called me cringe for trying to learn the game, get better, and do better 🤣

I’m the epitome of all evil lol

[teal fractal]

I made a rage bait youtube video once and posted it on reddit (it was about smg08), the amount of downvotes it got and countless arguments under it was insanely funny

[west mirage]

It's called META for a reason

[teal fractal]

The best part was is that the meme i set as my thumbnail was the very meme that the redditors were

I was actually dying

[summer forge]

You have no idea the hate id get in 2042 for using SFAR lol

[teal fractal]

And the best part is is that smg 08 loses to so many weapons in 1v1s

[west mirage]

People hated the ZK too and people that are posting it gets downvoted and usually are saying that why are you not reviving and healing

Especially when the player that was killed and requires reviving is in the open and full of enemies

[teal fractal]

They are stupid

[west mirage]

Even with smokes I ain't risking reviving you in the open filled with enemies

[teal fractal]

In their mind

A good battlefield player will always do every imaginable thing you can possibly do

[west mirage]

Cuz I did that and most of the times I end up dying

Especially in Breakthrough

Where ticket matters

[teal fractal]

Frag, defend, flank, revive, supply and back cap flags all at once

As if those roles arent spread out accross 32 players

Dumbest take with bf players

“Youre just farming kills” 🤓

Well yeah someone HAS to kill people on the objective to get onto the objective

And youll never guess how those same objectives are defended

kekw

Dumbest community

It shows so heavily how bad a big majority of battlefield players are

[summer forge]

Well you’re still here

[west mirage]

I do revive and handing out med pouches while farming kills with the ZK, it's just that I don't revive anyone that would risk of me getting killed

[summer forge]

All hail the king

[teal fractal]

Yes but you cant hyperfixate on reviving constantly and frag and flank and play out your fights at the same time

[west mirage]

Pretty much what I'm trying to say

[teal fractal]

If you have good kpms and dont go negatives in kd theres no reason for that player to even care about reviving someone thats not his role

[summer forge]

Since he’s ignoring me (LOL), hes also not mentioning that part of the community previously was clans. Clans encourage teamwork. So you CAN in fact do everything he listed at once.

[teal fractal]

I have some 9-14 player that will revive him i dont need to revive them

Not my duty

[teal fractal]

What am i ignoring

Youve said nothing

[summer forge]

My apologies your majesty

[teal fractal]

What am i supposed to reply to?”All hail the king”? “Youre still here”?

[marsh dragon]

0/10 ragebait

[teal fractal]

You cant

[summer forge]

You can, do it every game

And we tend to win

Multitasking is a fun concept

[teal fractal]

Dude theres not a single battlefield player in existence

Thats constantly reviving

Gets high kpms

It just doesnt make sense

You cant kill people if youre fixating on reviving

[marsh dragon]

Nah I revive every time I'm not under fire

[summer forge]

You just love your kpm. If I’m paying as medic idc about my stupid kills. I’m there to revive as a medic

[teal fractal]

Well yes thats off time

[marsh dragon]

I NEED REINFORCEMENTS

[summer forge]

Keep my squad alive while we kill and cap flags

[teal fractal]

But im not going to focus on random people that most likely will die 10 seconds in anyway

[summer forge]

If I’m assault then yea more about kills

[marsh dragon]

They are taking some enemy attention from you

[teal fractal]

I have better things to do within that time it takes me to go for the revive

[teal fractal]

Doesnt matter what class you are

[summer forge]

Revives earn points, points go towards Squad rewards. Those rewards bring in artillery strikes and bombs

[teal fractal]

Every player plays their own role

Its a 32 player game

Im not playing the game alone

Theres no jesus of battlefield that does absolutely every role

It just doesnt exist

[summer forge]

.

[teal fractal]

So do kills

[marsh dragon]

If you have revive tool
Revive all the time

[odd wing]

im close i dont do engineer

[teal fractal]

And you can kill much faster than you can revive

[summer forge]

You always focus on kills, I focus on what’s best for my squad

[marsh dragon]

Bf is a team game still

[odd wing]

do both

[waxen loom]

like 100 revives 0 kill

[odd wing]

is optimal

[summer forge]

Hardly anymore

[teal fractal]

Thats not how the game works

[waxen loom]

0/1/100

[marsh dragon]

Most of the time the better for team = better for you

[summer forge]

Tell That To my wins and best squad

[teal fractal]

In a console lobby

In a stack

[summer forge]

It may not work for YOU

[teal fractal]

You guys all play your part of the roles

[summer forge]

And you hate stacks

We know

[teal fractal]

Its cringe

[odd wing]

just do your class role, play obj and get kills simple as

[teal fractal]

Getting kills are the objective

[summer forge]

So is your kpm rant but here we are lol

[teal fractal]

It isnt

There was no rant either

[summer forge]

I’m cringe for playing my role for the best of my squad? lol

You have no use for clans, to each their own

[teal fractal]

No its just cringe to snowball random lobbies, the game is 100x more easier with players you can play with and know

[summer forge]

Which is why we enjoy going against other clans in lobbies

And frequently do

[subtle spear]

OH YOURE USING A RIOT SHIELD?

Not gonna finish that

But yeah

[teal fractal]

Riot shield is a dogshit gadget though

[subtle spear]

I was referring to the old MW2 clip

[summer forge]

Players wouldnt survive with old school toxic 😂

[subtle spear]

OG shittalkers

[subtle spear]

NAH THEY WOULDNT

[teal fractal]

I actually hate getting cheesed by some 0iq no skill rat attemtping random things

[subtle spear]

All these sensitive kids

[subtle spear]

Me with RPK prefiring around corners and nuking two squads because they're all standing together

[summer forge]

I would’ve been banned ages ago on 2042 if ea actually monitored text chat lol

[subtle spear]

Pffffff

[teal fractal]

I mean thats not cheesy

Thats just playing the game

[summer forge]

I’ve made sooooo many teammates and players cuss me out 😂😂

[subtle spear]

Yeah but clearing an entire room by holding the trigger is pretty cheesy

RPK is a two shot headshot, so it's pretty busted

[teal fractal]

Why

[kind badger]

Hey guys… I missed my RSVP for BFLabs… did I miss a once in a lifetime opportunity or will there be a chance for in the future

[summer forge]

RPK on spearhead inside the ship with McKay 😂😂

[subtle spear]

Because all you have to do is strafe and hold the trigger. The RPK does all the work for you because high stability and decent accuracy

[subtle spear]

Oh I'm talking BF4 RPK

[summer forge]

Nah you good, I just realized I mixed up RPK with RPT

[subtle spear]

Oh ye

[teal fractal]

Well yeah thats just how the game works

[summer forge]

My bad

[teal fractal]

Every bf4 weapon is easy to control and mostly all have fast ttks

Point on target click mb1

[subtle spear]

Some are far worse than others

RPK actually pulls down with the recoil and is incredibly stupid

[teal fractal]

Bf4 has just visual recoil and spread mechanic though no?

[waxen loom]

BF4 LMG only use T88

200rounds just stay down and keep shooting

[teal fractal]

Id say cheese is more of sitting in some random spot with a 2.5x flir

For no reason

Probably sat there for 3 minutes prior you stumbled into the cheese

Or sniping you from 400 meters way