battlefield-legacy-titles

[night pilot]

What’s up my brothers

[gusty lantern]

the sky usually

[night pilot]

Yall play v?

[kindred sail]

1

[gusty lantern]

no i play bf2 and 3

and a bit of armafield

[night pilot]

Oh

It’s hard for me to find a V community………

[kindred sail]

ask in #lfg-playstation

[verbal fable]

What does zero distance do? 75,150, 300 , when i pick the perk that cycles them

[tropic folio]

adjusts for bullet drop

150 means the bullet will land at the center of your sights at 150m

[verbal fable]

so i should always change it for 300 every spawn ?

Also how to get company coins

real money only?

[tight rain]

Should change it to either the closest distance to the target or whatever you’re familiar with

[thorn sequoia]

what is 1 feature that you want in the next battlefield: That has not existed in any previous battlefied?

[verbal fable]

if i put it 300 but enemy is like 180m ?

also what is Barrel bedding? if i crouch and don't move forward but shooting not in one place, does it have less spread? how it works ?

[tight rain]

In that case aim lower than where you want to hit

[lament wharf]

https://www.twitch.tv/badluckrobini

[tight rain]

#streams-and-videos fool

[neon wharf]

The new Battlefield must return with specific repair stations at bases for ground and air vehicles, as well as specific reloading points for vehicle weapons (ground and air) and individual Infantry weapons! This was very well designed in Battlefield 1942 from 2002 and Battlefield 2 from 2005!

[hushed elbow]

lol they want to draw in console players so anyone between 8 to 18... that is too hard for new players to understand

they wont make it like bf2

[cursive glade]

when's the next trailer coming out?

[waxen loom]

next trailer come out next time

[summer forge]

Daily PSA that bf 5 randos are trash casuals

[craggy pecan]

Hello

Are there any problems in the servers of bf4 my ping up to 200?!

[waxen loom]

DDoS

[heady holly]

The ability to lean, who just stands straight up to shoot at an enemy? Worst fps ever...

[tight rain]

Battlefield needs killstreaks

[summer mortar]

dinosaurs

[vagrant mango]

Anyone else really hoping for another grand operations mode? I lvoed that in BF5 and have missed it in 2042.

[mellow verge]

BLOOD DRAGONS

sharks with frikkin lazer beams

[sterile jolt]

In menu weapon testing range, proximity chat

[drowsy copper]

No

[sterile jolt]

BFV technically has that

[frank hedge]

Who wanna play battlefield V 🐀

[astral stag]

Same here. Do you lose out on getting the playtest if you had selected youre interested in sports?

[jaunty hearth]

Skibidi

[boreal gyro]

i never interested in sports thats why i wonder why i got sport games for playtesting

[astral stag]

@boreal gyro ahh thats lame, sorry that happened to ya mate. Hope we can get in this one still, if not the next for sure

[warped star]

Nobody is also interested in skate

[sterile jolt]

I won't be invited to any playtest anyways 😭

[royal oak]

Did keys go out?

[waxen loom]

sniper rifle is the best weapon in 200%dmg server

one shot one kill

[sullen flame]

No not yet

They will go out tmrw

[regal kindle]

Nope, today

Playtest is starting tomorrow tho, so they can preload it for tomorrow

[regal kindle]

nope

Ive set it to "not interested" and have been invited to those. They even want to get some feedback from people that may are not interested in these gerne to maybe convience others to try their games and get new players.

[wise cosmos]

Algún español?

[astral stag]

@regal kindle Ok, thats nice to hear lol, i was worried i messed up maybe. Just unlucky, ty for the help lol

[sullen flame]

Where u live!

?

[regal kindle]

Tf does where i live has to do with anything lol

[sullen flame]

Bcuz if timezones

[regal kindle]

💀

[sullen flame]

Playtest will start on a diff timezone

[regal kindle]

It starts at the same time for everyone lol

[sullen flame]

Yea but ur time is not same with others

☠️

[random blade]

[regal kindle]

since its CET in the Invites, the invites will probably be already out or in the process of being send

[sullen flame]

First playtest would be on US side

[regal kindle]

?

tf u talking about lol

[random blade]

Everyone would play it at the same time, irrespective of timezone

[left summit]

how do you know that? 😂

[regal kindle]

Cuz people dont give a shit about NDAs sadly

[sullen flame]

Most of the times playtest starts on UTC time zones

[regal kindle]

Maybe ever thought that they might adjust the Timezones per Person from the Country they selected on their Profile?

Only EA knows

[sullen flame]

Yea but this time we don't know who got the playtest

[left summit]

👀

[random blade]

Probably only a few thousand

[regal kindle]

this guy...

[fervent crag]

So they did already sent out emails?

[regal kindle]

yes

[sullen flame]

Yup

[fervent crag]

Damn

[regal kindle]

like 3 days ago

[fervent crag]

😩

[random blade]

Dunno

[regal kindle]

My guess is that the next Invites will either come in small groups if some people get banned and need new ones (there will be alot of bans lol) or in a few weeks/months when they wanna test in larger groups

[left summit]

you guys dont break NDA

it damages the game itself

it absoluetely could & have done in the past

[random blade]

I am a law abiding battlefield player

[regal kindle]

it doesnt tho tbh

[left summit]

unfinished gameplay

[regal kindle]

and?

[sullen flame]

People should know what they are going to get

[regal kindle]

if people are stupid enough to ignore the fact that this is a PRE ALPHA, then let them cry the gameplay is unfinished lol

[sullen flame]

Bcuz ea lost their trust alr

[summer mortar]

assalamualaikum brothers

[sullen flame]

Wslam brother

[summer mortar]

whats up dude, how are you

[sullen flame]

Good just chillin in bed what about u?

[summer mortar]

im chillin on my computer

might play some left 4 dead 2 or killing floor 1

[sullen flame]

Those are very great games ngl

[summer mortar]

yeah, ive been looking at some mods and wanna try them out

[sullen flame]

Steam sale has been started so might buy some games this month

[summer mortar]

oh shit really

lemme check

[sullen flame]

For some games yea

[summer mortar]

im gonna check rq if theres anything id like to buy

[sullen flame]

Buy R6 it's for $3 rn

[summer mortar]

is r6 talking about rainbow six?

[sullen flame]

Yes

[summer mortar]

which one though? theres ton.

i think i own them all

rainbow six vegas 1 and 2

[random blade]

Might be some demos from the Next Fest still available if you’re bored

[summer mortar]

and siege

[summer mortar]

check out darkwater

[sullen flame]

Rainbow six siege

[summer mortar]

i own that game. i do not think i will be in the mood to play it ever again though

there is not many competetive games that i get in the mood to play nowadays

[sullen flame]

Same but it's good if u like to play it in a competitive way

[random blade]

Definitely try rogue spear if you haven’t, very good

[summer mortar]

i still enjoy battlefield

[summer mortar]

i will look it up

[sullen flame]

I still play 3 everyday

[summer mortar]

i donht but i play it whnever i am mood

[sullen flame]

Try ghost recon breakpoint

It's good

And on sale

[summer mortar]

i am only in rank 30, not even a colonel yet, yet whenever i play i am top of my teams with everyone being colonel 100s lol

[summer mortar]

i will look it up

[sullen flame]

Too many casual players

[summer mortar]

i dont think colonel 100s are casuals xD

[sullen flame]

Some are

[summer mortar]

im just very good at game but dont put hundreds of hours into it

[sullen flame]

Me too but I don't play that good nowdays I just play with friends to do stupid stuff

[summer mortar]

but then again, im also team player so tht helps with me being at top of leaderboard

[sullen flame]

If u use vehicle then free xp most of the time

[summer mortar]

i think i might soon be getting that way as i get older.

losing skill and reaction time. i hope not but i feel this may be soon

[sullen flame]

Trust me playing with friends is better than playing solo and dominating

[summer mortar]

i mostly play infantry as a medic. combat medic

[summer mortar]

i dont doubt

but i dont have friends

[sullen flame]

Same I get m16 and push it on metro one of the best ways to dominate

But then again ban wave is crazyyy

[summer mortar]

i think we may have different playstyles

[sullen flame]

We can play battlefield 3 I gotchu

[summer mortar]

ban wave?

[summer mortar]

when?

[sullen flame]

Well servers owners are crazy they ban people who play good

[sullen flame]

Today

If I get free early from cod

[summer mortar]

not rn or within a little bit from now?

[sullen flame]

I will play at midnight it's 3 pm rn

So after like 10hours

[summer mortar]

give your mind a break. relax with some battlefield. cod is not good for your mental health

[sullen flame]

I'm just grinding people out

Boosting them to Max rank

[summer mortar]

damn i dont think ill be on

[sullen flame]

I can play early but then my friends wants me to play cod at that time

I'm the good player only and they wanna get boost on their ranks

[random blade]

That much is definitely true

[summer mortar]

what do they get for having high rank\

[sullen flame]

Nothing I'm just helping them out

U sure get some skins

And camos

[summer mortar]

its 100% true. modern cod is made to manipulate you emotionally and mentally. it is not good for health

[sullen flame]

But they are not worth at all

[random blade]

Main reason I don’t bother with it. You aren’t playing the game, it’s playing you

[sullen flame]

True

[random blade]

Where’s the fun in playing a system you know is working against you having fun

[summer mortar]

i like black ops 1 and 2 and waw and bo3 zombies

[random blade]

Plus just the myriad of systems it has that I dislike

[summer mortar]

i think mw2019 was a geat game ruined by the way it handled matchmaking

[sullen flame]

I just play zombies more multiplayer and warzone are not that good anymore

[sullen flame]

They did the same thing with warzone

[summer mortar]

it made me stop playing because you never get in good server, you always have the same maps being played, etc. etc.

[random blade]

Singleplayer shooters where it’s at 😎

Everything else just doesn’t live up

[verbal jewel]

definitely

[summer mortar]

therefore it was horrible game lol

but tbh i personally was surprised that people were still capable of making good game

so upsetting it was ruined by matchmaking

for me atleast

i didnt like playing the same 3 maps all the time

it works better if you are able to have persistent lobby, have 2 maps to vote and have 1 random option you can vote

i usually always choose random

[sullen flame]

Bo6 multiplayer is better than the last 4 games but it's missing the content

[summer mortar]

i havent played it. is that true?

[verbal jewel]

that bullet train map looks terrible

literally a straight line

[sullen flame]

Yea nobody plays it

Duh I liked the stakeout

[summer mortar]

the only modern game i can think of that has good map design is mwIII(the new one). but thats only because it was just maps from mw2 lol

[sullen flame]

Buy Xbox gamepass PC u can get it for $1 and try bo6

[sullen flame]

Mw3 was mid and warzone is day by day is getting worse

[summer mortar]

idk, im not interested in cod until it doesnt have matchmaking proplems

[sullen flame]

They don't

This time u can choose map

In filters

[summer mortar]

but they have skill based matchmaking tho

[sullen flame]

Nah

Sbmm don't work on bo6

I have tired it

[summer mortar]

wht you just said makes a point that is the opposite of what ur saying..

[sullen flame]

No like lobbies are randoms I mean I'm master prestige but I still get lower rank lobbies

It's random

[summer mortar]

hmm

[sullen flame]

Sometimes I get easy and sometimes I get hard lobbies

It depends on region maybe

I play on middle east

[summer mortar]

lower rank as in they arent good? because i dont think rank really counts for skill sometimes seeing as how im not even colonel 1 in bf3 yet and i get higher score than lvl 100

[sullen flame]

U can check them by their playstyle

[summer mortar]

idk maybe thats why

[sullen flame]

I get lobbies where people camp at one spot

[summer mortar]

spit

[sullen flame]

I'm rlly hungry lol

My fingers not working

[summer mortar]

if you fast for multiple days, it gets easier to not be hungry

[sterile jolt]

I wish I bought Ready or Not back then 😦

[sullen flame]

I didn't eat at suhoor thats why today is a hard day

I'm slowly slowly becoming like lemon zestee

[summer mortar]

have you seen video of guy calling in to a show saying he accidentally ate shawarma and that food fell into his mouth and that he accidentally drank 3 liters of water and asked "should i not keep fast, or is it allah who fed me?"

[sullen flame]

☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

No

But that's sounds crazyy

[summer mortar]

its funny

the guy is like

baffled

[sterile jolt]

No, content was never an issue with BO6, issue is matchmaking and servers

[sullen flame]

I get lobbies way quicker it really depends on region

[summer mortar]

how many maps does bo6 zombies have

[sullen flame]

4

[summer mortar]

lack of content

[sullen flame]

Yea

Too much lack of content

[summer mortar]

how many maps does multiplayer have

[sullen flame]

Prolly 10

I didn't count but it's near to 10

[summer mortar]

how long has it been out, compared to when they release their next game

[sullen flame]

It came out on October

[sterile jolt]

I had like 2 minutes long queue times with 200 ms ping before I uninstalled it

[sullen flame]

And next game in this year

[sullen flame]

Ur shadow banned maybe

[summer mortar]

ok so lack of content

[sterile jolt]

No, my MMR was so high it was trying to match me with people from other side of the planet

[sullen flame]

Yes no good content lol

[sullen flame]

U were playing rank?

[sterile jolt]

Casual

SBMM makes it unplayable

[sullen flame]

MMR is casual whattt

☠️☠️

[summer mortar]

how do they get people to keep buying. one of the main reasons i dont buy cod anymore is because im like "wait, so i only get to play for a year before i have to buy new one?"

[sterile jolt]

BO6 has SBMM even in casual

[sullen flame]

I dont get sbmm players duh

[sterile jolt]

You do

[summer mortar]

what about sbaghetti mm

[sullen flame]

It's just bcuz it's a new game and new stuff and then black ops had a great history

[sullen flame]

Nah I get noobs and pros randomly

[sterile jolt]

What's your KD? Or ED?

[sullen flame]

3.8 Kd

[summer mortar]

thats how they manipulate you

[sterile jolt]

Cap

[sullen flame]

Yup

[sullen flame]

No?

[sterile jolt]

No one has 3.8KD in modern CoD

[sullen flame]

I will get on my Xbox later and will send u ss

[sullen flame]

No?

[sterile jolt]

Ok

[sullen flame]

Really

Lol

[summer mortar]

no u

[sullen flame]

U prolly havent seen good players

[sterile jolt]

Did you turn off crossplay?

[sullen flame]

Yes

[sterile jolt]

Oh makes sense lol

[summer mortar]

well that helps

[sterile jolt]

I can't turn it off in PC

[sullen flame]

Can't tolerate hackers

[sullen flame]

Yea rip for pc I can even turn off cross play on rank

[summer mortar]

but its also understandable. i cant imagine playing against keyboard and mouse player with a controller

[sullen flame]

Controller got way more aim assist on oc

Pc*

[sterile jolt]

Without crossplay SBMM doesn't work because game can't find enough players to fill a lobby

[summer mortar]

yes but pc you can aim anywhere you want immediately whenevewr you need to

[sullen flame]

Maybe

[sterile jolt]

It's been tested by people

That's why you get basically random matches

[sullen flame]

No most of the pc players use controllers bcuz too much aim assist and movement is easy on a controller

[sterile jolt]

Yeah true

[sullen flame]

That can be a reason

[sterile jolt]

Aim assist is basically aimbot

[summer mortar]

what about if i disable crossplay and play on pc?

[sullen flame]

Yup

[sullen flame]

U can't on pc

[sterile jolt]

You can't

Only PS and Xbox can disable it

[summer mortar]

fair enough

[sterile jolt]

MWIII also has less players now that everyone moved on to BO6 so you will have more random matches too

But Activision started shadowbanning MWIII players lol

[sullen flame]

Mw3 was good if u see content wise

[sullen flame]

Lol

[sterile jolt]

Just to funnel them into BO6

[summer mortar]

for what reason

o

but doesnt shadowbanning mean they dont know it

[sullen flame]

Mw3 had so much content so many event camos more than what bo6 got in 6 months

[summer mortar]

how do they find out

[sullen flame]

Yea

[sterile jolt]

They do, they are placed into hacker lobbies basically

[sullen flame]

Idk what's the catch of shadow ban

But u get shadow banned for only a week duh

[sterile jolt]

Shadow ban means they won't be able to play in regular lobbies, they will be placed into cheater lobbies

[sullen flame]

Most of the time u can find legit players on shadow banned lobbies bcuz people are getting shadow banned for no reason

Like even getting into a bot lobby can get u shadow banned

[summer mortar]

huh?

a bot lobby?

[sullen flame]

It's like 10 bots in a lobby which don't move or shoot u just kill them for camo grinds

[sterile jolt]

Yeah, CoD just has too many issues to list lol even if they removed the SBMM

[summer mortar]

ohhh, so its not actual bots

[sullen flame]

They are

U can get bots thru Xbox cloud gaming

[summer mortar]

oh? ive been put in one before

everyone called me crazy or said i was lying

but i was put into a lobby with bots and it showed that they were real players even tho they werent

[sullen flame]

Some people give 1 free bot lobby to show them that they are legit bot lobby sellers

[summer mortar]

no this was not the case

[sullen flame]

They are real accs but there is catch if u use nuke or any other score streaks on that lobby u will get shadow banned most likely

[summer mortar]

they nwerent bots that were easy

they were difficulty veteran

basically aimbot

[sullen flame]

Did they shoot or play ?

[summer mortar]

they played

thats what im saying

[sullen flame]

Then it was either a camo lobby

[summer mortar]

it put me in a lobby with bots and showed it like it was real players

no you gotta understand

theres this map on mwIII

new one

where theres like this alleyway

[sullen flame]

Camo lobby is not a bot lobby but real players do it they will give u some time to kill other real players of team

[summer mortar]

and their ENTIRE TEAM was bunched up in one area

[sullen flame]

Yea

[summer mortar]

and their movements were like ai

[sullen flame]

That's camo lobbt

[summer mortar]

what

[sullen flame]

Those were real players giving kills

[summer mortar]

this was also about 2 years ago btw

no they werent real people

thats what im trying to say

it was ai

[sullen flame]

If they are bunched up then those are real players giving kills

[summer mortar]

like how mobile games put you in a lobby with ai

no it was just that one area

[sullen flame]

AI bots don't move to a specific area

[summer mortar]

where the ai pathfinding was messed up

[sullen flame]

They just move randomly

[summer mortar]

yeah they did the rest of the round

[sullen flame]

Real players most likely bcuz it's hard to script bots move to one area after dying

[summer mortar]

im saying that there was a bug on that map with their pathfinding

[sullen flame]

Might be bot players

[summer mortar]

or, cod matches you with fake lobies to further manipulate the game and manipulate you mentally

[sullen flame]

But to me that's being the case of a camo lobby where real players gets kills and give kills to others

[sullen flame]

Lol

That a good case then

Free bot lobbies lol

[summer mortar]

well i mean the reason why i said it is because of the fact i know they were bots because of their movements

[sullen flame]

Mw3 camo grind wasnt even that hard idk why people are so bad in cod lol

Cod is way easier than battlefield

[summer mortar]

its time consuming im pretty sure

also brb

[sullen flame]

Same I gtg

To a friend house but I'll be back in like 3-4 hours

[hexed skiff]

Anyone got a email?

[uncut rover]

yes

My doctor confirmed that I have psychosis

[verbal gazelle]

Hello everyone, guys, does anyone have an explanation why there is so much negativity, toxic people, trolls, and generally a lot of swearing and insults in the BF4 chat (in multiplayer), I haven't seen this in a video game for a long time, it seems like people who can't get along in real life, after a hard day at work at some stinking factory where they were bullied for 12 hours - come in the evening and spill it all in the game chat) People, be kinder, the game is cool, but what these parasites are doing is completely unbelievable (not only are there a lot of cheaters), you need to create a server with a white list - with registration by passport and passing an interview for adequacy) is there such a thing? I would go play there😎

[iron thistle]

Who here plays battlefield 5 on pc? My Xbox controller input wont work anymore after they put it in ea play. I have an Xbox controller and never had this issue in my 5 years until now -_-

[teal fractal]

I spotted that they do this on my account aswell

Bf1 used my account for dice server seeding

My acc had 0 playtime and the total time spent within those servers was 0 seconds

And it was impossible for me to play since i wasnt home at the time

[timid jetty]

I say this with great sadness, if the New BattleField has Bots on the servers, unfortunately I will not buy the game !

[solar quarry]

RealTalk

[teal fractal]

Why

Bots are good for seeding

They fill an empty spot in the server til player fills it

[solar quarry]

because that is part of the immersive experience of BF 😛

[teal fractal]

Which doesnt take long

[solar quarry]

bots are great. (for campaign)

[teal fractal]

Bf1 community servers used bots for seeding aswell til ea anti cheat canceled the bot api

Bf4 fakes numbers for seeding

So i dont see anything wrong with having a few bots that wont even really be in the game for very long

Id understand if you were to put in completely deserted lobbies that have nothing but bots

And play a full match against like 2 real players

[rotund bolt]

Has anyone also get a mail for bf labs?

[hexed skiff]

Good question

[sullen flame]

Cod bots system is way different from fake slots on battlefield servers

[opaque quail]

Im still getting the same bug, i cant use vehicles or amything like that

It kicks me out game

[teal fractal]

Id rather have bots than fake slots

[opaque quail]

Its been a week!!!!

[teal fractal]

Makes games appear more alive and makes it more fun

[little roost]

so, tommorow we will have opportunity to play new bf or what?

[lime lichen]

invited playtesters will

not just anyone

[opaque quail]

Im also level 0 in the game

[little roost]

anyway, thats great

[opaque quail]

Does anyone any idea on whats going on in bf1 playstation

Server disconnects the moment i use vehicles

And im level 0!!!!!

Its been like this for a week

I cant even use my weapons

[lime lichen]

no idea

that game is fun but frustrates me how i can't plat it cuz of that dumb field gun codex that's bugged in over the top

[woven coyote]

bro, ive been watching like basic tutorial videos for bf1 and i wanna know where the gameplay for these videos is recorded, whenever they play the game every enemy is little timmy playing his first fps but when i play i got a whole army of irl green beret veterans with 4 irl deployments on the enemy team xd

[teal fractal]

Because they are much better and most players are infact bad at the game

Better timing and positioning will always have an advantage same with having better aim

[woven coyote]

i mean i get that, but most of the players are just like lowkey deaf/blind ever after they like run directly past them in those videos

stuff that isnt just "im more experienced at the game then you"

which is just why im confused xd

like i peak something for a third of a second and im instantly turned into mist by someone 100+ meters out and the enemy team in these videos are playing blindfolded and without their headphones on lmao

[teal fractal]

Because they are all blind and deaf

[woven coyote]

like most the people i see in these videos just unironically stand still and look around after being shot at, which ive never seen personally in game

[teal fractal]

Then youre exposing yourself too much or are just slow to turn back to cover

Or youre peeking with bad timing

[woven coyote]

i mean i have pretty fast peeks, id like to think so atleast. i try to time peeks with the sound of when they shoot so that way they cant shoot me as soon as i peek

granted thats a "theres 1 sniper down this angle" scenario but still

thats the easiest one to explain

[teal fractal]

I have a tips and tricks video aswell where i have a peek at the start, you want to slowly open up the angle whilist exposing yourself as little as you can

They react slower to something they see less off and you can react faster because you see them first

[woven coyote]

yeah ik to peek angles long, its just hard to get anything done when the person your slow peeking is sat down behind a mound of dirt with their scope up and focusing on your position specifically

[teal fractal]

Also slowly opening angles means that if you do get spotted you will most likely to not take many shots because your body shows out less and you can return to cover

[teal fractal]

Then dont peek that

If they have the better position then dont pick the fight and reposition

[woven coyote]

i mean when most the maps are wide open fields where if you get up you get shot thats easier said than done some times

[teal fractal]

They arent

[woven coyote]

90% of the ones ive played are

[teal fractal]

Just learn the maps

[woven coyote]

and id like to think ive played most of the maps by now

[teal fractal]

Usually theres a lot of elevation within terrain

Objects

Rocks/trees/trenches

[woven coyote]

the issue is actually getting up, as long as someone competent the second you stand up your getting shot

also trees dont work very well from experience

[teal fractal]

The game is entirely cover to cover gameplay so if you feel like youre in the open a lot youre already doing something wrong

[teal fractal]

Going prone is the last thing you want to be doing

[teal fractal]

It depends

[woven coyote]

well crouching in a small hole dosnt usually end well since the most vulnerable part of your hitbox usually pokes out

[teal fractal]

You first want to value that spot and threats surrounding it

If theres no enemies that have an advantage over that position then go for it

[woven coyote]

well yeah, but just because theres no enemies in a position dosnt mean its a good position

its just hard to get anywhere when most maps are big open fields, sure they have cover but most of it restricts what you can do when you take it. if anyone is actually competent at the game and not just randomly pressing buttons most the time when you move from the cover your going to get punished for it

[teal fractal]

The game is entirely about decision making

Look, point, decide take action

[woven coyote]

i mean yeah but your decisions are kinda killed off as soon as you take cover, your kinda just delaying the inevitable unless your in a big group of people

[gritty sparrow]

Salute a tutti. è qui che dovremmo parlare del nuovo BF6... Battlefield Labs

[tropic folio]

si, ma solo in inglese

[teal fractal]

You make the decision before you go to said position

[teal fractal]

VOOT cycle that we were taught in military applies extremely well in bf since you need to be very observant of others and your enemies before you do anything

The ones who cycles that faster is the one who will do the best

[woven coyote]

im pretty sure thats standard for most FPS games

[teal fractal]

It depends but yeah its a pretty basic thought cycle you need to know

[woven coyote]

i mean i do know it, its just alot different against 30 different enemies vs 5-6

[teal fractal]

This also depends, keep in mind bf players are bad, they are bound to make bad decisions you cant really play with them but its often easier to play around them

[tight rain]

I personally try to avoid fighting 30 enemies at once

[teal fractal]

You arent playing against 30 different enemies at once

[woven coyote]

im not saying that lol, but usually at each obj theres atleast 8-9

[teal fractal]

Players are more often spred out

[woven coyote]

which is still a big difference

[teal fractal]

It isnt, you still need to understand what players they have, where they are positioned at and what routes and positions they are holding the best/most/what they arent eyeing

[woven coyote]

yes but the way you play against 9 people on a obj is different than playing most fps games which usually only have 2-3 people on a obj at a time

[teal fractal]

It isnt

It doesnt matter how many there are you still need to take the best position against those players and have an escape route if it fails or something changes

Its all about timing and positioning

[woven coyote]

yes but the strategy you apply is completely different for how you get there

its alot more restrictive of what you can do the more people you add

thus changing what you can and cant do

[teal fractal]

Cover to cover, listen, look

Pay attention to teammates

[woven coyote]

at its basic yes

[teal fractal]

Predict

[woven coyote]

but in game that equates to alot more

[teal fractal]

Well its good if you can notice what you can and cant do because your entire decision depends on that lol

[woven coyote]

there alot more nuance than just look around and do basic task management

[teal fractal]

There isnt

Bf is extremely easy if you just pay attention

[woven coyote]

if thats all it was you could slap a 3rd grader on the game and they could top score

[royal oak]

ok

[teal fractal]

What

[royal oak]

i completed the survey that went out on the 28th

[teal fractal]

Im very well aware on the game as i average 4-5kpm lol

[tight rain]

Hey good job man

[teal fractal]

I made a guide you can look up

[royal oak]

it said keep an eye on your inbox

so im keeping an eye

[woven coyote]

im not saying you arent? im just saying, fps games arent just look around and use your ears

[royal oak]

👁️

[teal fractal]

Bf is

[tight rain]

Keep up the good work

[teal fractal]

You dont need particularly strong aim to do well in it its a good add on but aslong as you hold decent positions, time yourself well and are spatially aware you can do well

Bf doesnt require you to need insane shooter skills

Nor do you need very good movement

[woven coyote]

i mean tbf most team based shooters dont, the only one i could think of is like CS and val

most games as long as you get good enough value your aim can be ass but you can still carry just off of how much your doing

but this isnt really a game you can "carry" and not one you can really get value off of without killing people

[teal fractal]

Val being a hero shooter is more of playing around your abilities and communicating well but if you want to be top player then you certainly do need strong aim yes

Counter strike is more of predicting and also just being spatially aware

[tidal palm]

I was throwing smoke grenades at one of these narrow paths in Somme to prevent enemies from attacking unless they would want to get shot once they pop out of the smoke and another player was like "You're ruining everything!" It's the first time I have a genuine chuckle at this game.

[teal fractal]

You can carry in bf1

[woven coyote]

cs is very dominated by mechanics, i never got great at cs but i know people who have played at a professional level and vouch for that

[woven coyote]

hard for 1 person to outshine 29 others noticably unless your playing in a tdm mode

[teal fractal]

It isnt

Because 90% of players are bad

Statistically

[woven coyote]

i mean ive never seen anyone noticably outplay anyone else that isnt obviously cheating with like 120 kills and 2 deaths

nor have i heard of many people like that from friends who have far more hours in this game than i do and are far better than i am at it

[teal fractal]

You can get 120+ and not cheat

My record in cq is 138-16 in achi cq

[woven coyote]

ik that, but with 2 deaths is weird

which ive seen alot

[teal fractal]

No

If you have a pocket medic its pretty easy tbh

[zinc mist]

Nah, pretty much every game, there are 1 or 2 people that do loads better and carry the team and the rest are about average and then theres the few that are dog ass. There are definitely people that carry in every game mode

[teal fractal]

Average is dog ass

1kpm is average

Peak players get 5-6kpm average

[royal oak]

im average 😦

[teal fractal]

2 is above average and even that isnt very good

[zinc mist]

Like I said, there are a couple people at the end of every game that have 40-60 kills and then a few that are average...15 kills or so...then dog ass, 0-5 kills

[teal fractal]

Id go as far to say that 3 is pretty mediocre but its 3x above average so i cant say much

[royal oak]

what gun you use?

[teal fractal]

Good player range is 4-5 average and if youre a high end top dog youll average 6

[royal oak]

actually i dont really remember the guns in 2042

[teal fractal]

But i only know of one player that averages 6

[teal fractal]

Any

[royal oak]

my favourite was the l85a2

[teal fractal]

We are talking about 1

[royal oak]

oh

thompson was my favourite in that

so good

[teal fractal]

Ye anni is the most op smg in the game

[woven coyote]

really? every guide ive seen on weapons said it was mediocre because of the insane recoil

[royal oak]

just dont ads

[woven coyote]

ik, they said overall tho

[royal oak]

i found it excelled in hip fire

[teal fractal]

Then its a bad guide

Because recoil isnt even a mechanic in bf1

[woven coyote]

ive seen it said in like, every guide tho

im not saying that means its correct

[teal fractal]

They are most likely bad players or console bots

[woven coyote]

but all the guides ive been suggested/told were good have said its bullet spread/recoil makes it a worse version of the mp18

[teal fractal]

Lol no

It has one of the fastest TTK’s in the entire game whilist having very little spread actually and is accurate til like 15-20 meters

[solar nexus]

Should they remove switching attachments while deployed in the next battlefield?

[teal fractal]

Why

I dont think its a bad mechanic tbh

[solar nexus]

It should be more like bf3/bf4

[teal fractal]

Makes you more versatile and gives you more options

[teal fractal]

Also every high ttk weapon is within meta

The faster you can kill the more unlikely it is for someone to kill you before you kill them

[woven coyote]

well yeah its pretty obvious this game is pretty ROF over DPS considering all the meta weapons for the classes besides scout all rely off their fast fire rate not big damage

[teal fractal]

Ye

[woven coyote]

even though the federov feels like it shoots nerf bullets...

[teal fractal]

I bet those same guides will tell you that parabellum is bad

[woven coyote]

i didnt really pay attention the supp parts because i dont like supp nor the way the lmgs function in this game

[teal fractal]

Well if you genuinely want to master the game then you need to understand all weapons

[woven coyote]

i just dont like how its centered around playing one place but if you play in one place in this game you get punished by most things

[teal fractal]

It depends a lot

[woven coyote]

not to mention most the lmgs are slow firing and dont do great damage but trade off for bigger mag sizes, which most people arent going to peek you for long enough for that to really come into affect

[teal fractal]

The meta playstyle is passive-aggressive playstyle

You need to understand when you can push further in and be more aggressive

You also need to understand when you need to stay put or retreat

[teal fractal]

Parabellum is the best weapon in the entire game probably

Below 300ms ttk til like 20 meters+

[woven coyote]

supp thrives off of being more defensive tho, considering if you just sit down and shoot down a corridor your going to die near instantly

also yeah thats whyi said most

[teal fractal]

100 bullets in a single mag

[teal fractal]

Fair

[teal fractal]

No

[waxen loom]

SUPPORT's Madson 0818 1417 BAR can be used like assault

[teal fractal]

Bar is pretty garbage imo idk why a lot of people put it into meta

[tight rain]

250 rounds is pretty fun to play around with with the 1917

[teal fractal]

Theres so many better options

08/18 is meta, parabellum is meta, burton is within meta

Madsen is like A tier

[waxen loom]

burton is AA meta

[teal fractal]

Its good against infantry too

Its anni of support class

[woven coyote]

i just dont get how you can be agressive with a gun type that punishes you for moving while shooting

[waxen loom]

its bayonet is good for kill sentry kits

[woven coyote]

cause even if you use a wall for cover your gonna get beamed

[teal fractal]

You dont move while shooting you need to react pretty fast and standstill

Unless its a very good hipfire weapon

Like parabellum, burton, autoloading extended, anni, mp18

Smg 08

1907 factory you can be pretty accurate with

[woven coyote]

most weapons can burst down someone faster than a lmg from what ive seen, considering mosst weapons fire faster than them

[waxen loom]

dont get to close

[teal fractal]

The only weapons faster than parabellum, 08/18 lmg and burton are like anni and automatico

[woven coyote]

funnily enough even though its meta i dont think ive ever seen it used

[teal fractal]

Because youre playing against roleplayers

[waxen loom]

1917 telescope can be used like sniper

lie on the ground and Keep shooting

[teal fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947872594206539806/1345829914301173792/Timeline_1.mov?ex=67ca9687&is=67c94507&hm=64d1c55990a3fd938b889a47612412bf75a2c8fcc1f13bab8a8a62d7cfee94c1&

[woven coyote]

doing this also gets you punished extremely quickly

[teal fractal]

This is your average bf1 player

You cant possibly play bad against it

Guy is clueless

[woven coyote]

your basicially a big flashing neon sign sayiing "please shoot me" if you lie on the ground and shoot for more than a second or more

[teal fractal]

Just watch lexienns, waldengramms or my videos

See how they play

Pay attention to things they pay attention to

Look at how they use their weapons

[woven coyote]

ive watched both of those people before, i dont remeber if it was specifically a guide but one of them just said "use good guns and dont have bad aim" and that was about it

before listing meta guns

[teal fractal]

They havent made guides

[woven coyote]

i couldnt remember exactly

[teal fractal]

They just have gameplay videos

But yeah if you have aim that dominates everyone then you can play more carelessly aswell because you can just outreact and have better aim than everyone else

[waxen loom]

just dont run away and know what are u gonna do next

[woven coyote]

thats easier said than done with a game thats so unpredicatable

[waxen loom]

if u cant defeat them with guns

[teal fractal]

If you think its unpredictable then youre doing something wrong

[waxen loom]

u can just stay in respawn point and use mortar

[woven coyote]

i expect people to make the right plays, most of the time they dont

[waxen loom]

NA and EU servers dont ban mortar airburst I guess

[woven coyote]

im coming from a enviorenment where people make the correct play in that situation 95% of the time and you have to force them to make a mistake by predicting what they do next and punishing that

[teal fractal]

If you listen, look and just ingeneral pay attention and play like an enemy could pop out at any place then youll be fine

[molten tapir]

Hey

[grave grove]

p

[teal fractal]

Ill still eye on places where an enemy might be at even though it can be more unlikely than likely

[woven coyote]

ive like, mentally trained myself to always expect the most reasonable correct play, i dont expect people to play wrong

[teal fractal]

Purely because i know that bf players will make bad decisions or not make sense

[woven coyote]

and i cant have my eyes on every angle at the exavt same time

[teal fractal]

Ye but youd just get stuck in being mediocre if you cant punish mistakes

[woven coyote]

i can, but when theres 4 people always pushing an obj theres only so many mistakes i can punish at once lol

like realistically theres going to be more than 4 people aswell

coming from different angles and not just 1 blob of players

[teal fractal]

Then youre in the wrong position

And you timed yourself wrong

[waxen loom]

my friends played worse than most of BF players at first but they are good now

u need more time

[teal fractal]

Bf takes a lot of hours to get good at yes

You need to understand maps very well

And theres always so many different situations that you need experience with

[woven coyote]

i mean most the maps are pretty basic

theres like 3 that are just flat desert

[teal fractal]

Or didnt retreat fast enough because you didnt pay attention

Not that everything is avoidable but the game has so many different ques

Minimap that gives you a lot of info, sounds that basically are put on a plate for you, visual ques

Your own team

[waxen loom]

desert maps are not basic actually

[teal fractal]

Ye they have a lot of elevations but their overall gameplay is pretty ass ingeneral tbh

[woven coyote]

every map has elevations, that dosnt make the desert maps unqiue

[waxen loom]

sina and suez are not for new guys，especially infantry players

[woven coyote]

the only one i can think of thats unique because of its elevation is the one russian one

[teal fractal]

It doesnt make them unique but they arent flat

[woven coyote]

theres very few maps in this game i would say are "unique" or differ from others

most of them follow the same design/gimmick of others

[teal fractal]

Yeah

Some are more complex some less

Idea is the same

[woven coyote]

not to mention the fog every map is annoying as hell

and it lasts for like a 1/3rd of the game

[teal fractal]

Just pay attention to ques

Ill be home in like 2h i can give you like a frame by frame explination on what i do

[drowsy copper]

BFV - squad with a random level 6 in it. Stayed with squad, took flags, healed and revived. This is how you play well.

[woven coyote]

i mean yeah, considering thats what medic is built around its not hard to do well as it if your not a complete moron

[teal fractal]

At the end of the day playing good in gunfights in a shooter game and making better decisions is what makes you a good player

Playing your kit well is more of an extra perk

[woven coyote]

i mean medic isnt really meant to be in a gun fight directly tho, not line the line of fire anyways

[teal fractal]

You always want to be in gunfights because it gives you extra points for killing, defends off attackers and clears defenders

reviving is a thing you use on a “if possible” and healing should be within muscle memory

[woven coyote]

medics kit far outvalues the value he gets from killing people

[teal fractal]

It doesnt

[woven coyote]

you gain much more value from reviving and putting down health

[teal fractal]

If i see some random pleb dead but i have the opportunity of killing 4+ players im going to kill 4+ people

Because that player has 0 value, takes extra risk extra time

He will just run and die again

[woven coyote]

medic dosnt do enough damage to be able to kill 4 people quick enough to where they dont just turn around after you kill one person and then you just traded

[teal fractal]

It does

3htk per kill

2 per headshot

1 body 1 headshot

[woven coyote]

people are more than fast enough to react to that

[teal fractal]

They arent

I wouldnt get 4-5kpm on medic if i couldnt kill fast

[woven coyote]

i mean the average human reaction time is around 200MS, your going to be able to react to someone faster than you could kill 4 at once unless they're all literally inside eachother

[teal fractal]

Thats why timing and positioning is important

[woven coyote]

the only position your going to be able to reliably get 4 kills that quickly even being possible is up close

you'd have to micro your aim too much from further distances to be quick enough before they react

[teal fractal]

Your ideal radius should be 40 meters

[teal fractal]

Thats pretty easy

[woven coyote]

not when theres 3 other people shooting at you and splitting angles

[teal fractal]

Then youve made a bad decision

[woven coyote]

your not reliably killing 4 people in under 200ms

your getting 1 if their not all stacked on top of eachother

[teal fractal]

Yeah its not possible because your rifle alone cant kill that fast lol

[woven coyote]

yeah

[teal fractal]

Thats why i said timing and positioning is possible

If youre playing into them and time yourself bad then thats on you

[woven coyote]

also most of meds fall off damage is extreme by 40m

[woven coyote]

well yeah your going to be playing close becausse your playing with your team

your not going to get anyhting done if your alone playing a recon without a sniper

[teal fractal]

Farq optical fall off is 60m

Howell 60m

[woven coyote]

most of the guns ive looked at on medic start falling off about 25m and get bad around 35-40

[teal fractal]

Like an extra htk

[woven coyote]

not to mention the further you are the easier it is to react to you

[teal fractal]

Not really

[woven coyote]

well if your not playing against people with far below average iq's that matters alot

[teal fractal]

Ive played comps

Its still the same thing

[woven coyote]

i mean my reaction time isnt much better than the average person and ive seen a huge difference in fights even between 20 and 40 meters

you have alot more time to react to the shooting from the other person the further out t hey are

[teal fractal]

Their reaction entirely depends on moment of suprise

[woven coyote]

i mean, its as simple as "you hear bullet you move"

[teal fractal]

If you can catch them off guard or when they are pressured it doesnt matter how fast they react because they are already in a disadvantage state

[teal fractal]

If it were then why dont you have 4-5 kpm

[woven coyote]

because knowing when to move dosnt mean your perfect at everything else?

[teal fractal]

Point is is that youre doing something wrong

Theres a lot of players that have good stats and average them

[woven coyote]

your implying that knowing when to move out of danger is a whole process when in reality its just "im in danger i should move"

[teal fractal]

Actually It is because it depends on enemy position

[woven coyote]

knowing where to move to is a different thing

[teal fractal]

Moving out of position isnt always the first thing you want to do

[woven coyote]

but knowing when to move is incredibly easy

[teal fractal]

You could counter them if your position allows it, you can time out til they arent pressuring you

Running away is the first thing that will get you killed

[woven coyote]

no usually if your position is being threatened in 95% of scenarios the first thing you want to do is move because your at a disadvantage

[teal fractal]

Okay then why dont i do that

[woven coyote]

usually if your position is threatened becuase someone else got a better position than you, if you just sit there your going to be disadvantaged the whole fight

[teal fractal]

You can also play around angles and move up to them

[woven coyote]

its dynamic, its not always the same

[teal fractal]

No

[woven coyote]

but thats still the pattern of having your position threatened

[teal fractal]

I actually have a tip on how to play around it aswell in my video

Just dont rush your decisions and be aware of whats going on

[woven coyote]

i mean usually the issue with having your position threatened isnt that someone is shooting at you though, because eventually their going to force you to make the mistake of moving by forcing you to move

[teal fractal]

If you panic run because youre being shot at first thing its meaningless

Youre just giving away your cover, you cant fight back

[woven coyote]

cover isnt always a good thing

theres such thing as bad cover

[teal fractal]

You can force them to make a mistake aswell

You can bait

[woven coyote]

much much more difficult usually when your the one having the mistake forced on you already

[teal fractal]

If they move out of cover to push on you then you can counter

[woven coyote]

usually its a "who can force the other to make a mistake first"

[teal fractal]

No

Because youre being shot at doesnt mean you made a mistake

Its a calculated risk at that point

[woven coyote]

and if your already in a disadvantageous position your not going to be able to force mistakes nearly as effective or as easily as they are

[teal fractal]

Then why is it easy

[woven coyote]

easy to do what? force mistakes?

[teal fractal]

Yes

[woven coyote]

sure if your engaging first and get the first move of course its easy to force mistakes

you have the advantage

[teal fractal]

The entire game is easy

[woven coyote]

also i never said it was easy to force mistakes, i said it was easy to know when to move

[woven coyote]

every game is easy at a fundamental level

CS is just mechanics and basic human function at a fundamental level

saying a game is easy because its fundamentals are basic dosnt mean anythign

[teal fractal]

Its easy because everyone is bad

[woven coyote]

you can also say that about every fps game ever

[teal fractal]

No

[woven coyote]

a majority of players in fps games are bad

[teal fractal]

Bf1 is an extremely casual game

Most people that play it roleplay

[woven coyote]

so are most players in other fps games

[teal fractal]

They never practiced to have good aim, never learned any aim techniques, dont understand maps, dont understand what weapons to play, have bad settings

[woven coyote]

most people in other fps games dont care to actually improve or learn anything either

[teal fractal]

In a game like cs for example its a competitive game where you play to improve and learn

People are constantly putting effort into being better

Therefor your average player is much better already than a player in a video game where they do not even care to improve

[woven coyote]

honestly as someone who has seen all sides of the cs community, i see a bigger influx of people playing cs just because its basic and not because they want to improve at it

which isnt a bad thing

but the mot populated rank from what i remember is g nova 3

which is a pretty low skill ceiling

[teal fractal]

Theres faceit

Theres regular ranked

[woven coyote]

i mean yeah theres faceit, but i rarely find any players who are both interested in playing in faceit and/or are skilled enough to be playing in it at a high level

[teal fractal]

Ye there will always be less players that will be good than those who are bad

But your average player is still bound to be much better

Making it harder to play

I can be one of top 100s bf players but it doesnt mean i will be anywhere near top players in actual comp games

[woven coyote]

yknow i can respect that you atleast know that, i had this conversation with another guy because he thought he would be the best OW player of all time because he had a fast reaction time in for honor

[teal fractal]

Because skill ceiling is much higher and it makes it more broad between bad-mediocre and good players

[woven coyote]

sorry let me reword the first part of that because it seems rude

atleast you know that knowing more casual game isnt going to lead to you being crazy at a more competitve one

[teal fractal]

Where as bf the skill ceiling is really low which makes peak being much higher but that peak isnt hard to reach

[woven coyote]

i mean yeah, i feel like kpm dosnt really matter either, i only have like a 1.06 and i still manage to score like top 5 in most of my games of assault/medic

[teal fractal]

Its easy to farm score

You dont have to be mechanically good at the game to get high scores

You can spam ammo pouches and crate the entire game not get a single kill and be top on scoreboard

It doesnt mean youre good at it

[woven coyote]

i mean i dont think ive ever seen anyone yet just from videos and knowing a little bit about the comp scene that i would considering having good mechanics in my eyes

but my standards for that are also alot higher than mot

most

since im more used to the more extreme ends of the spectrum

[teal fractal]

Kpm is a statistic that shows, good aim, faster and smarter decisions, better plays, faster reactions, better positioning

Better spatial awareness

[woven coyote]

i mean i have a friend with a 4kpm but hes pretty ass at the game, its like how k/d dosnt mean anything most the time

same with hours played

skill is implied not confirmed

same thing that people think just because they have good mechanics they can dominate in any game they play but struggle getting into high ranks still;

[teal fractal]

He cant be ass if he has 4kpm

[woven coyote]

i mean, hes pretty bad.

he just farms kills

[teal fractal]

You cant “just farm kills”

Not possible

[woven coyote]

he dosnt have a much greater understanding of the game then i do

[limber bough]

There's definitely skill involved when farming kills

[teal fractal]

I doubt it

[woven coyote]

he dosnt have many more hours than i do either

i have like 45ish and he has like 80

he just hass pretty decent aim but sucks at everything else

[tropic folio]

can't be that bad if he's still at 4kpm

[woven coyote]

i mean he dosnt understand the first thing about positioning or game sense, he can just aim well

[woven pasture]

Hi there!!

[woven coyote]

same thing in other games i play with him

[woven pasture]

New in chat, what I miss

[woven coyote]

he has terrible game sense, but he has ok mechanics

and i dont really consider just being good at 1 aspect of a game only to be bad at everything else to be a good player

[storm frigate]

battlefield 6 when ?

[woven coyote]

like i dont judge someones skill based off a high k/d or kpm or hours played or anything like that

cause most the time they can be wildly inaccurate

[summer forge]

Then

[sterile jolt]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[teal fractal]

He isnt

4-5kpm is a very good player range

[teal fractal]

He doesnt

[royal oak]

what if theres no one around to kill xD

[teal fractal]

Then youre playing at a wrong place

[royal oak]

that flag in the middle of nowere on the desert map

[teal fractal]

If youre around objectives constantly play to defend/attack or counter attacks then you always have somebody to kill

Which makes “just playing for kills” impossible

[woven coyote]

he most surely does, he understands that his mechanics are far superior to his gamesense and that his game sense is atrocious, his words not mine

[teal fractal]

He has to have good gamesense to play well

[woven coyote]

hes just able to play supp/recon and pick off people from a range consistently

[teal fractal]

If he utalizes the map the weapons and positions well then youre just bound to get 4kpm

[royal oak]

true story, my friend was getting so many kills he ragequitted, he said the game felt like slow motion compared to overwatch

[teal fractal]

Maybe its a bit different in NA since the players are much worse but general idea is the same

[woven coyote]

the weapons sure, but he barely pays attention to the map and dosnt care about positioning and just shooting people

[teal fractal]

Not possible

[woven coyote]

i mean ive seen it, not just in bf but ive seen him play other fps games that rely much more off of gamesense and positioning and he struggles to get out of lower ranks

[frigid veldt]

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[woven coyote]

even though his mechanics are far above the ranks he plays in

[royal oak]

oo oo

whats that

[teal fractal]

He can have good timing and play smart around enemy positions

[royal oak]

mr battlefield is talking to us

...

[woven coyote]

im telling you he dosnt, and he would argue the same thing as i am now.

he understands everything that isnt his mechanics are really bad

[teal fractal]

He can post a full cq game of him playing

[woven coyote]

he just has fairly above average aim, and he relys off that

[teal fractal]

I can judge then

Im 100% certain he plays smarter

You wont do well without good timing and positioning and spatial awareness in 1

[woven coyote]

if he did it would correlate to other games

which it certainly dosnt

[teal fractal]

Which games

[woven coyote]

he struggles getting past plat in ow and gold in seige

[teal fractal]

Overwatch is an ability based game

Next

[woven coyote]

ow is not all ability based wut?

[teal fractal]

It is

[woven coyote]

ow is also very postion dependant

[royal oak]

overwatch is faster paced than bf

[woven coyote]

for the same forcing mistakes reasson

as before

[woven pasture]

I hope I got selected to test it on PS5 😄

[teal fractal]

To get high ranks in overwatch its all about how your team utilizes and plays abilities

[royal oak]

I have faith

[woven coyote]

thats... like a 1/5th of it

[teal fractal]

Bf and overwatch is just a very bad comparison ingeneral tbh

The games are too different to be comparable

[woven pasture]

I follow this franchise since BF2 on pc and then move to consoles in BF4

[teal fractal]

Im only diamond in ow

[royal oak]

enemy boat spotted.

[woven coyote]

well theres not many other games that play like bf. considering the gameplay is unique to the series

[teal fractal]

Yes

He can be good at bf but it doesnt mean he will be good at overwatch

Same with cs pros playing battlefield

[woven coyote]

yeah but your implying he has good gamesense and positioning

which is very very fundamental to ow

[teal fractal]

He does

He can record his gameplay and post it

[woven coyote]

he dosnt

[teal fractal]

I will be able to note out everything

[woven coyote]

because he would be much higher ranked in the other games he plays more seriously than bf

if he did have good gamesense and postioning

[teal fractal]

Theres so many other things that contribute into overwatch vs bf

Good comms, knowing abilities, knowing counters, knowing meta rosters playing well with your team

[summer forge]

Are we having the EU vs NA conversation lol

[teal fractal]

You can play really well without your team in bf1

Its actually the better option

[woven coyote]

i was just saying that my friend who only has good mechanics is able to score a 4kpm even though his game sense and postioning and most else is really bad

[teal fractal]

I mean youre a 1kpm player so how would you know to judge it

[royal oak]

@teal fractal how do you deal with vehicle wh**es

[teal fractal]

Ignore them

[summer forge]

All of NA is

[royal oak]

but what if theyre hammering you

like planes

[woven coyote]

because im far far far more experienced in other games and the fundamentals of how to play an fps game than he is

[summer forge]

1-2 kpm to us is your 4 kpm lol

[woven coyote]

and im not trying to be an ass

[teal fractal]

If they fly towards you then run towards them if possible or just run to the sides that they are planning to bomb

Just dont play into them

[teal fractal]

But youre bad in bf1

[summer forge]

You’re good, it blows the minds of EU players just how different the standard is for NA players

[teal fractal]

If youre an experienced player then you wouldnt struggle in bf game at all

You have to be making mistakes

[woven coyote]

im not like, playing at a top tier on stage level but i would say im far more experienced that 99% of people in the topic of fps games since ive been fairly highly ranked in other fps games

[teal fractal]

Youre average in bf1

[woven coyote]

im jusst not too familiar with the gameplay sswap of bf from most other fps games

[summer forge]

It’s also console vs PC

EU players are primarily PC

So their standard is far greater and different than ours

[woven coyote]

im used to the opposite lol, im used to NA or asia having superior players to eu

usually asia has more top tier players tho from my experience

[teal fractal]

If he gets higher kpms then hes playing the game right

[royal oak]

oh man, I just saw a mouse take the cheese from a mouse trap without setting it off

[summer forge]

I win games 🤷‍♂️

[woven coyote]

i mean he hasnt improved in any other aspect of overall skill at all, hes jusst playing how he always has and it works

[summer forge]

Current I’m 66% win rate in BF 5

[woven coyote]

hes said hes literally just playing bf to take a break from overwatch not improve

[teal fractal]

in BF1 is NA being easiest, then Eu second easiest then asia then OCE

[teal fractal]

He wont improve in overwatch by playing bf1 anyway

Because mechanics are different

[woven coyote]

yeah ik, thats just the reason he gave me

which is what i told him

i think he was more refering to positioning/gamesense in general tho

not the mechanics

[teal fractal]

But asia is full of modders and cheatbots aswell

So idk

[teal fractal]

Im certain he has better timing and positioning

[woven coyote]

because his mechanics are alright, just everything else sucks.

[woven coyote]

i mean, ive seen his gameplay in both bf and other games, he has very limited understanding of CAR (cover, angles, range) and dynamic postioning

[wary dew]

That's a lie

[teal fractal]

A lot of asian players play on eu because of it

[wary dew]

Another lie

[woven coyote]

im not a coach by any means but i know how to tell if someone understands basic positioning and dynamic postioning from looking at their gameplay

[teal fractal]

Gameplay is different in 1 than in overwatch

[teal fractal]

No

[wary dew]

Are you asian?

[teal fractal]

Asians come to other regions to cheat because they are banned in asian servers lol

[teal fractal]

No

[woven coyote]

ive said that, but also you said he has good game sense and positioning, but if he did he wouldnt struggle nearly as much as he does in low ranks of OW

[wary dew]

Stop acting like you know what we do then

You give us a bad name bro

[teal fractal]

He does

[woven coyote]

because you can transfer alot of what you learn from basic positioning and gamesense to other games

[teal fractal]

Again i can be top 100 bf1 player but it doesnt mean ill be good in other games

[woven coyote]

like covers, angles, and range. but he dosnt even understand that too well

[teal fractal]

You can be good in ow but it doesnt mean youll be good in bf

[woven coyote]

or timing

or gamesense

[teal fractal]

I doubt it

Then hed have 1kpm aswell

Its not possible to get good kpms without positioning and timing well since bf1 is very heavily based around positioning as you dont have good movement mechanics

[woven coyote]

as someone who has coached him a fair bit just as a friend, and has seen him undertake real coaching on a scrim team he most certainly dosnt

and im not trying to be an ass to him]

because he acknowledges it aswell

[teal fractal]

Again let him post his gameplay

[woven coyote]

i already asked him to in dms, wether he does or not is up to him

[teal fractal]

You cant do well in a game thats based around decision making with bad decisions

Then every cod player would dominate in bf

Because cod requires better mechanical skill

[woven coyote]

same situation with overwatch

but he cant play overwatch well

and it wouldnt magicially fix just by swapping to bf

[teal fractal]

Because overwatch requires different things to be good in it

[woven coyote]

decision making, timing, gamesense, positioning are all very key to overwatch

the other 2 i could think of being teamplay and CD usage

mechanics dont really come into affect till T2 and T1 play

[teal fractal]

Ye but again because someone is good in ow it doesnt mean he will be good in bf

And vise versa

[woven coyote]

hes not good in ow tho

[teal fractal]

They are very different games from one another

[woven coyote]

and it wouldnt jusst magically fix from one game to the next

[teal fractal]

But hes good in 1

[woven coyote]

he has good aim, ive seen him play, he still makes the same mistakes in bf that he makes in ow

[teal fractal]

You can be a counter strike professional but it doesnt mean youll be doing well in overwatch or do well in battlefield

Being a pro in one game doesnt make you a professional on fps games

[woven coyote]

forgetting to check angles, forgetting to make sure he has decent cover and making sure hes ranging correctly

he dosnt do any of that, i get thi is just my word and that can only go so fat

far*

[teal fractal]

If you did those correctly then how come you play worse than him

[woven coyote]

cause ngl whenever i play i just kinda turn my brain off

[teal fractal]

He has to be better lol

[woven coyote]

im not really focusing when i play the game

i play it whenever im not playing ow or another game i take seriously