battlefield-legacy-titles

[sterile jolt]

BF is the last real casual multiplayer FPS game with no manipulative bullshit in it, I want it to stay that way

[livid bay]

I feel like they're gonna try adding some. But if they do, I'm not gonna buy

Like, if there's no server browser, I'm not even gonna bother looking at the store page

[junior torrent]

Whatever

Not even having bots being separated mode scenario.?

[sterile jolt]

Bots should be in a seperate mode

[junior torrent]

That's what I'm implying bro

[sterile jolt]

Like BFV's combined arms mode or 2042's solo mode

[junior torrent]

Don't overreact

[junior torrent]

Combined arms is shit ngl

It's just the same shit over and over

[sterile jolt]

Yeah lol

[junior torrent]

No effort

Basic ass bot

[livid bay]

Yeah, but imo bots should also be an option for server makers to add for when the server is very low pop. it should be very clear when a server has bots turned on and very clear which soldiers are bots tho

[junior torrent]

Whatever works for you

I mainly want solo multiplayer

Like regular multiplayer with all stuff intact, but only ai

No bullshit cutting corner, limiting content

[sterile jolt]

I personally don't care about that honestly, it is good for longevity of the game because even when servers are dead you can still boot up and play it but I don't trust modern video game devs to not try to manipulate multiplayer players

[junior torrent]

Then don't interfere

You do your part, I do mine

[uneven hollow]

[frozen rune]

[tropic vortex]

[vale grail]

I need help starting a Battlefield 1 server on PSN. The server number's #24712376 Achi Baba

[verbal fable]

Is battlefield V or Battlefield 2042 more casual and easier ? (more beginner friendly) ?

[vale grail]

we need only six or seven more people to start the server, anyone here active on PSN please join, it's #24712376 Achi Baba

[vale grail]

no for five and mostly AI in 2042

[verbal fable]

Wdym

[vale grail]

there's sweats in v and in 2042 there's ai that take the places of players to keep servers 'filled'

[rigid timber]

Battlefield 1 clips post where?

[verbal fable]

So 2042 better?

[vale grail]

No, it's a dead game, V is worse. BF1 is the best option

[verbal fable]

had bf1 but didn't like much

[rigid timber]

I wish i can show my bf-1 airship clip here

Love bf -1 more than any bf games

[torn junco]

do you lads think the next bf game is going to have stuff like fsr 3.1 and dlss 4.0

[whole edge]

Mrfrog2321

[rich ember]

probably.

[royal gull]

BFV is way better than 2042 and BF1 and is still really active on PlayStation.

[sterile jolt]

I hope next BF doesn't destroy my CPU 🤣

[tropic vortex]

Should be console exclusive for the laughs

[obtuse kite]

better than 2042? probably
better than 1? god no

anyways why are medic guns in BF1 so based

the 2 shot one is sm fun as is the SL sweeper

[sterile jolt]

V is better than 1 in many aspects(gameplay, movement)

[obtuse kite]

hey so fun fact those are both subjective

also way too broad

[sterile jolt]

BFV doesn't have sweet spot and has a working slide 🤷

[obtuse kite]

sweetspot is a neat idea but I hardly ever even notice it

[sterile jolt]

It's a bad idea

[obtuse kite]

and slide is fine for me Idk

[sterile jolt]

Snipers shouldn't randomly get 1 shot body shot power in specific ranges

99% of the time it's accidental

Snipers should 1 shot body shot in like 10 meters though

[obtuse kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I played V like a year ago and I did not have a good time

[vale grail]

Damned straight, almost had a Turning Tides rotations tarted.

[urban lark]

I didn’t either. Attrition, random bullet deviation, and no 3d spotting are not good decisions for an arcade sandbox fps game. There’s nothing “better gameplay” about that at all

[obtuse kite]

okay wait are you talking about V or 1

[urban lark]

V

[obtuse kite]

ah

[urban lark]

“Better gameplay” was always a super broad and subjective argument to me as well

[obtuse kite]

well 1 has pretty bad deviation I'll give it that

[urban lark]

Like if it had better gameplay I think it would’ve actually been commercially successful for DICE but instead look at where we are now with this franchise

[obtuse kite]

yea

also the FEEL of guns in V fucking sucks ass I hate it

it actively angers me to think about

😭🙏

[urban lark]

The spread values are actually the same as in BF4. It just has more visual recoil, which all makes sense because BF1 has a lot of maps with wide open routes and spots where you don’t want anyone BF4-style tap firing you to death from 80 meters away

[obtuse kite]

true actually

[rich ember]

...I feel like you overestimate how effective tapfiring can be at that range

like, if someone's tapfiring at that range and getting kills then they fucking deserve it

cause that's dealing with first shot recoil repeatedly.

[obtuse kite]

tap firing kinda negates recoil all together though

[rich ember]

no it doesn't

[obtuse kite]

you shoot once, wait for your sights to realign, and shoot again

[rich ember]

because first shot recoil is a mechanic that exists

you have to deal with that

[obtuse kite]

BURST firing is different

[obtuse kite]

I know?

but it just slightly slows down your tap at worst

[rich ember]

tap firing is the same thing as burst firing.

[obtuse kite]

no

no it is not

[rich ember]

yes it is

it is the same concept

[obtuse kite]

tapping is one shot per reset

bursts are bursts

[rich ember]

How does it negate recoil if first shot recoil is a mechanic in the game

explain that to me.

[urban lark]

I don't disagree, my point is just about how I believe it was done to put assault class rifles in their own effective range and not just be able to reach out to insane distances

[obtuse kite]

if you are shooting one bullet, waiting til your sights are still, and shooting another bullet, you don't have to worry about how much recoil there is other than how much time it takes for your sights to reset

if you BURST fire then yes it's an issue

[rich ember]

okay but I think the difficulty in actually doing that was enough without the need to have fake recoil. Being tapfired at 80 meters with an AR was not a common situation in BF4.

[urban lark]

also as for sweet spot idk, and as for the slide I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting players to spam it in every gunfight which leads to exhaustion with the gameplay after like 2 matches and creates a community around the game thats so focused on "movement" to where look at where most of the fps genre is now

[obtuse kite]

↑

[urban lark]

like seriously who has the time or energy to have to move at breakneck speed CONSTANTLY

[obtuse kite]

it's just not fun, and this is coming from a tf2 (Titanfall) and ultrakill enjoyer

I don't want movement shooters set in WW1 that makes no sense

[rich ember]

I think there's something wrong with removing all the aggressive movement that BF4/Hardline allowed, replacing it with a slide, and then making that slide useless.

Because that's what they did.

[urban lark]

I personally believe any movement that cannot be naturally done does not make sense unless we're in a jetpack/futuristic era

[rich ember]

They put the slide mechanic in, and then nerfed it so hard that it's never worth doing.

[urban lark]

insane verticality makes sense in say cod aw or titanfall 2 but not in anything set in ww1 to modern day

[obtuse kite]

I disagree but I think it must be done with consistency which BF1 does

[obtuse kite]

I do it all the time to get into cover and to ease into a prone so I think you just suffer a skill issue

[rich ember]

I think BF4 movement was fun. Was it realistic? No. Did it make sense? No. Does it matter? No.

[urban lark]

you can still rush/be aggressive in bf1 btw, the slide just doesn't help you to do so, which is why imo slide as a mechanic just should have been removed from the game

[obtuse kite]

it does matter for a game like BF1 that has a level of authenticity and groundedness

[rich ember]

You get stuck fucking constantly if you try to slide aggressively in BF1, nevermind the fact that while you're getting stuck, you're stuck at max spread values and can't ADS.

[obtuse kite]

not to say BF1 is realistic at all, I know the guns are often prototypes at best that never saw use and whatnot

[urban lark]

i'd argue that modern also has authenticity

[obtuse kite]

this has never happened to me once

I think you need to get good

(I've been playing for like a week)

[rich ember]

i have a 2 K/D in BF1, the game is not that hard, I just dislike the lack of potential for aggressive play which would've made the game more interesting to play. The game is lackluster unless you're just enamored with how pretty everything looks, which is the one thing the game is most notable for. Because it sure as hell isn't remembered fondly for it's gameplay.

[obtuse kite]

bro's talking out their ass

[rich ember]

Like brother, this is the most cliche shit i've ever seen, telling me to get good at a game that isn't even that hard because I have issues with it's gameplay.

[obtuse kite]

people really fucking love the gameplay everyone talks abt how fun it is

[rich ember]

Literally most of the conversation about the game is how atmospheric and immersive it is, those are more about the graphics and audio than the actual gameplay.

[obtuse kite]

and I, as a graphics enjoyer, and as someone who has a shit PC that normally can't run games on high settings but can with this game, actually haven't noticed the graphics all that much

[urban lark]

I mean as for the actual gameplay it has a lot of guns and maps and it follows the average BF formula pretty well so

BFV is the one where I believe DICE decided to mess with its basic formula for no reason at all and as a result has significantly worst gameplay than the previous titles

[rich ember]

BF1 was DICE fucking around with shit unnecessarily, BFV was DICE doing that even more.

[obtuse kite]

all of YouTube for the last half a year has been going off about the gameplay you're literally just lying to yourself 😭😭😭

[rich ember]

They did not need to nerf the slide 3 times, yet they did so anyway, they did not need to bring visual recoil back after removing it in BF4, yet they did so anyway.

[urban lark]

like idk what people are necessarily supposed to say about the gameplay cause its the usual BF experience

it just helps that it looks really good

something that unfortunately is not common in the fps genre anymore

[obtuse kite]

and here you are whining about it all for some reason even though neither of those things are effecting the gameplay very much at all

[rich ember]

I don't know what fucking random youtube channels you're following.

but i've not seen any of this.

[obtuse kite]

jackfrags?

that one guy who's always wearing a tank top

the act man I think

[urban lark]

as much flak as I see bf1 get in this discord, I think the proof is in the pudding; look at where this franchise went when BF4/1 were no longer the standard and we started accepting whatever the hell we got post bf1 in the name of "gameplay" or "mechanics"

[rich ember]

I think BF4/BF Hardline should've been the standard for gameplay.

[urban lark]

I did not personally play hardline so idk

[rich ember]

Hell, BF Hardline did perks better than BF1.

[urban lark]

funny enough it was pooped on for years until 2042 came out and it was somehow so much worst that hardline got redeemed

[rich ember]

Hardline was always good, people were just babies cause of the setting of it.

[urban lark]

as for bf4 i totally love that game and its easily my favorite in the series but i do not think air strafing or zouzou is ok

[rich ember]

"uhh what is this cops and robbers shit where's my tanks, i want my russian tanks"

[urban lark]

but i played on console so i almost never dealt with those things anyways

[rich ember]

I think air strafing is fun.

[obtuse kite]

see how subjective this all is

but you keep saying everyone is on your side when that's not really the case

[rich ember]

I never said that.

[obtuse kite]

"no one remembers BF1 fondly for its gameplay"

(everyone I've ever seen does)

[urban lark]

lycan I respect your views but at the end of the day I do not think the concensus about bf1 is only about how the game looks

[obtuse kite]

put it well

like I usually fucking love graphics and shit, and I rarely get to run a game at more than 30FPS with graphics on high, but I enjoy BF1 s shit ton because of the gameplay

[urban lark]

bf1 genuinely has some really fun maps

and not even just cuz they look good

[rich ember]

I feel like it's mostly about how the game looks though. I feel like most don't care enough about the gameplay to really speak on it, they don't care to identify the problems it has, so they just don't. They just ignore it because the game's easy and it looks pretty.

[obtuse kite]

if I liked the graphics more I'd play the campaign more but I keep getting hooked on the multiplayer bc it's sm fun

[rich ember]

BF1's maps are fine for the most part.

[urban lark]

i 98% completed the bf1 campaign but i cannot finish the arabian missions

[rich ember]

there are some i dislike

[urban lark]

no wait its the Italian one

[rich ember]

which i have to pull up a map list because i can't remember the names of most of them

[urban lark]

I mean i'm before you now and even I admit its certainly not a perfect or flaw free game

[obtuse kite]

and also I'm like not super good at it either so that's all the more proof that it's fun for me if I keep getting my ass kicked and come back

[urban lark]

i hate bf1 mortars

[obtuse kite]

REAL

[urban lark]

but the thing is the looks are just what really drives the entire thing home, the gameplay is good and it only really deviated from predescessors with nerfing some movement tech, but beyond that this is why i always said it plays very similarly to bf4

[rich ember]

Fao Fortress, Achi Baba, Sinai Desert, Soissons, and Monte Grappa.

Those are the maps i dislike in BF1.

[urban lark]

yea sinai dessert can get deleted

[obtuse kite]

I love fao

[urban lark]

but i like achi baba if theres no mortar spammers

[rich ember]

Any other map i either like or nobody runs them on any servers so I have no opinions.

[obtuse kite]

and sinai

[rich ember]

Like, what the fuck is Volga River.

I donno.

Nobody runs it.

[obtuse kite]

fun

boring though

[rich ember]

Probably why nobody runs it

[urban lark]

i was never that much of a fan of volga river

i must admit its kinda bad imo

[rich ember]

It plays very similarly to BF4

I'd say it plays like BF4 if BF4 were bad.

[urban lark]

well besides movement tech, adding visual recoil back and removing the tap firing the gunplay is pretty much the same

[rich ember]

besides changing most of the game, it's pretty much the same, yeah.

[urban lark]

class balance is generally the same except medic is weird and kinda op

[obtuse kite]

they didn't change most of it though

[rich ember]

player movement and gunplay are a significant part of the game.

[urban lark]

maybe it really does feel and play differently on pc but on console theyre super similar

[obtuse kite]

gunplay is hardly changed and movement has two slight nerfs

[rich ember]

medic's always been kinda strong tho.

[obtuse kite]

medic being OP isn't even a bad thing cause at least it's not like support in BFV or something

[urban lark]

i mostly meme on the bf1 medic

i like how reviving works in bf1, its so much better than v

[obtuse kite]

how does it even work on V I forget

[urban lark]

i hate how v locks you into an animation and completely takes your situational awareness from you

[rich ember]

Gunplay is hardly changed
Attachments don't exist and every gun has fake recoil now, that is a significant change from BF4, where visual recoil was removed.

Movement has two slight nerfs
Three, not being able to airstrafe, not being able to slide after landing using the momentum from your jump, and the only new mechanic being nerfed like 3 times, which realistically should count as 3 different nerfs, so it's really Five nerfs to movement.

[obtuse kite]

attachments I forgot abt I'll give you that

[urban lark]

well tbf attachments dont make sense considering the theme although they couldve had some alternative like bfv specializations to make up for it

[rich ember]

but they didn't, so neh

[obtuse kite]

but no we aren't counting three nerfs to one mechanic as separate nerfs that's fucking stupid

[urban lark]

fair

[rich ember]

They did nerf it three seperate times though.

[obtuse kite]

okay but the final nerf is what effects the gameplay now

that's basic logic

don't be stupid

[rich ember]

Yes but it's still three nerfs to where it currently is.

Either way, that'd be three nerfs to movement, not two.

[obtuse kite]

Levi what are they smoking help me

[obtuse kite]

okay so no attachments (makes sense for a WW1 game), "fake recoil" which makes almost no difference and is easy to deal with, no airstrafe, slightly nerfed sliding, and uh

you didn't say what the other one is lmao

just strafe and slide

[rich ember]

Not being able to slide after landing from a jump, preserving momentum from the jump.

which is something you could do in BF4.

[obtuse kite]

mhm mhm

that has to do with sliding

[rich ember]

Also, not being able to ADS mid-air is also a thing

[obtuse kite]

why would you want to

[rich ember]

also, >slightly nerfed sliding

okay, i've talked to people who've played BF1 and didn't even realize sliding was a mechanic, that's how useless it is.

[obtuse kite]

in what situation are you falling while needing to accurately shoot

[rich ember]

jump peaking a corner.

[urban lark]

im pretty sure you cant do that in bf4 either though

and that seems like something outta CoD, i do not want that in Battlefield

[obtuse kite]

why on earth would you involve CoD tech in BF1

[rich ember]

yeah you can, i think you have to switch weapons mid-air to do it, i don't remember off the top of my head, it's been a while since i've actually played BF4.

[obtuse kite]

we said the same thing lmao jump peaking is CoD tech

[obtuse kite]

see that's not an intentional feature then

[rich ember]

oh man you'd fucking hate BF4

[obtuse kite]

I don't hate it I've played it a bit and it was fun

[urban lark]

i would argue most bf4 players on console and pc dont do that stuff either though. its definitely movement tech that a very small amount of players take the time to figure out

[rich ember]

Most people I see on BF4 do that stuff all the time. It's practically common knowledge.

[obtuse kite]

yea if you have to fucking finagle it to get it to work that ain't a lost feature in 1 that's a fixed bug

[urban lark]

i mean ig everyone except the movement tech crowd left then

which imo is not a good thing

[obtuse kite]

no game designer who wants the players to jump peak would make it so you have to switch weapons before hand but while in the air that's bullshit

so we aren't counting that as something lost in BF1

I'm not anyway, you can cry abt it all you want

[rich ember]

Okay.

I still feel like being able to slide after landing a jump could've been preserved as a mechanic if they were just going to add sliding to the game anyway.

[obtuse kite]

it sounds kinda fun tbf but I don't think it makes much sense for a boots on the ground shooter

[urban lark]

honestly at this point, unless the game is entirely going to favor the movement crowd, just dont even bother adding a slide in the first place, thats my opinion

[obtuse kite]

same for airstrafe

[obtuse kite]

I think it's useful for cover

[rich ember]

My viewpoint is: It's a video game, it doesn't have to make sense if it's fun.

[urban lark]

yeh i forgot to mention bf1 came out at a time where players didnt just want a boots on the ground theme, they were also kinda tired of movement in general

[urban lark]

i always use it to slide into cover as well

[rich ember]

I don't think that's true.

[urban lark]

though i'd take dolphin diving over slide if im just going to use it to quickly get to cover

[obtuse kite]

my viewpoint is: it's a form of art trying to keep consistency, and if they decide something isn't what they want in the gameplay and it also fits that consistency better, cut it

[rich ember]

dolphin diving was used as a movement mechanic in BF2.

[urban lark]

when it comes to movement i genuinely do want dolphin diving back in bf, also they should take a page out of CoDs book with omnimovement

u should definitely be able to dive backwards to get out of a bad scenario

[rich ember]

https://youtu.be/58kl9Gt2S2E?t=26 I'm gonna link this BF4 video because I like it.

[obtuse kite]

agreed, but I think you should carry a realistic amount of momentum

[urban lark]

oh yea 100%

if it doesnt have reasonable momentum im going to hate it

[obtuse kite]

that's so cool, I'm not gonna watch it because you removed the embed and didn't say what it was about or how it relates but thanks

[urban lark]

i hate bfvs slide cause theres no momentum, you can literally use it whenever youd like

[rich ember]

I did not remove the embed, links just do not embed unless I have Regular.

Which I do not.

[urban lark]

also for some reason you can go from sliding in one direction to changing direction mid-slide instantly?

[obtuse kite]

oh lovely

[obtuse kite]

💀

[urban lark]

yea bfv is an annoying game tbh

[obtuse kite]

I hated every second of it

[urban lark]

put like maybe 50 hours into it to see what the hype was about post 2042 launch then dropped it for 1

[rich ember]

Anyway, I link the video because it showcases what I like about BF4.

while also showcasing someone who is really good at the game.

[obtuse kite]

I can acknowledge that we have differing views on movement, that's fine, but I do mainly take issue w what you said previously abt looks carrying the game and how the changes from 4 were so monumental when they honestly aren't

[rich ember]

I mean BF1's looks did carry the game, i'm not going to concede on that.

[urban lark]

how is this fun for anyone involved? i gotta try to track this dude while hes flying around my screen with the auto glock and the GOD FORSAKEN AEK, and then he has to have the energy and wrist health to do this every single time he hops onto the game, this just seems so exhausting

[obtuse kite]

objectively, people do talk very positively about BF1s gameplay all the time

the looks are awesome

[urban lark]

bf1 had a lot of gameplay variety too

[obtuse kite]

but only a massive cherry on top not the cupcake

[urban lark]

variants made up for a lack of attachments, vehicles had decent amounts of pre-set "loadouts" which were fun to tinker with, actual ship battles, and map variety was insane

[rich ember]

I forgot ship battles were a thing

[obtuse kite]

also honse

honse good

[urban lark]

we love honse

[rich ember]

I hate the horses.

[urban lark]

now i personally hate the average horse player but

[obtuse kite]

I hate you

[urban lark]

i do like horses so

[rich ember]

this is evident.

[obtuse kite]

fr I don't but you're kinda annoying to argue w

can't lie

[urban lark]

i am a bf1 elitist for this reason

[obtuse kite]

like no game has had me hooked like BF1 since CS2

[rich ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban lark]

like bf1 was genuinely DICE magnum opus and now, almost 10 yrs later, the franchise has to go right back to what made its older games great because they dont seem to already know that to begin with

[obtuse kite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich ember]

I mean, I think BF4 was closer to it being the magnum opus than BF1.

[urban lark]

the only reason i dont give that title to bf4 is because in all fairness, as much as i poop on 2042 for releasing like trash, bf4 was also really bad in that regard

[obtuse kite]

I think they're both awesome and very similar in alot of ways

[rich ember]

BF4 recieved better developer support post launch, though. And even for the issues it had on launch, it never had issues where the mouse input doesn't function properly.

[urban lark]

i wont even argue on bf4 being better than bf1 tho objectively or subjectively cause its lit

like im totally fine with that take

[rich ember]

I mean, they literally removed visual recoil in an update.

[obtuse kite]

I prefer visual recoil btw

[urban lark]

true lol 2042 was abysmal

[obtuse kite]

Idk if I said that

[urban lark]

like why, after 20 yrs, did dice decide, "yeah, a functional scoreboard? naw"

[rich ember]

I hate visual recoil.

[urban lark]

i actually really like visual recoil for aesthetic and balancing purposes

[rich ember]

I don't like the game pretending the gun is recoiling more than it actually is.

[obtuse kite]

it makes guns feel drastically more powerful, so I play more aggressive, and get more kills

[urban lark]

i do not believe guns should play like lasers. this makes them boring, they should feel powerful, this makes them engaging

this is why i also really (personally) liked mw22 and hated mw23

[rich ember]

I feel like guns should actually recoil more.

like

stop this fake recoil shit.

actually add more recoil, cowards.

[urban lark]

i wouldnt mind excluding visual recoil if guns actually recoil more, thats fair

[obtuse kite]

MW2 was honestly peak CoD

[rich ember]

But they won't do that

[obtuse kite]

ties w 2019

[rich ember]

because they literally reduce 2042's recoil by 30% when you plug in a controller.

so

[urban lark]

mw23 just felt like a diet version of the reboot MWs all around

sledgehammer should never lead development on another CoD game if its not AW2

[rich ember]

MW22 was Infinity Ward being pissed off about people having fun in MW19.

[obtuse kite]

what

no it wasn't lol

[rich ember]

MW23 was Sledgehammer trying to make CoD fans happy after Infinity Ward told 'em to fuck off.

[rich ember]

yes it was. It was designed with absolute spite towards people that had fun in MW19.

[urban lark]

its difficult to argue with IWs experience tho, they did create the most memorable CoD games

i dont blame them

look at what sledge did to mw23

[rich ember]

Sledgehammer is obsessed with adding one shot kill weapons for some reason

and Treyarch just sucks at balance. in general.

[obtuse kite]

I love high TTK personally

[urban lark]

my personal take is the reboot blops games still arent interesting

same with blops after blops3

[rich ember]

like, fast TTK or slow TTK.

[urban lark]

like, they had a gold mine with blops1-3, after that they just killed it

[obtuse kite]

I can't fucking stand tracking a target and shooting at it for ages

[rich ember]

Black Ops 3 is the most interesting.

[obtuse kite]

fast, mb

[rich ember]

so you don't like high TTK.

[obtuse kite]

yea I misspoke

[urban lark]

i also prefer fast ttk cause a mix of balancing and aesthetic reasons

mw23 was so inconsistent with ttk. nerf AR ttk, snipers still 1 shot you at virtually all ranges. gtho

[rich ember]

I don't mind high TTK. I think fast TTK rewards worse players with kills.

[obtuse kite]

ehhhh

it raises the skill ceiling though

[rich ember]

hot take, remove snipers from call of duty.

[obtuse kite]

hottake, yes

[urban lark]

snipers are good, but they need to behave more like bf snipers

[rich ember]

high TTK raises the skill ceiling by requiring better aim to get kills.

[urban lark]

no 1 shot outside of headshots and within 10 meters upper body

also, DONT ALLOW THEM TO USE LITERAL RED DOTS

[obtuse kite]

no, that's called raising the skill floor

low TTK raises the ceiling, and lowers the floor

best of both worlds

[rich ember]

how does making the TTK lower raise the skill ceiling.

[obtuse kite]

allow bad players to have more fun and get less frustrated while letting pro players wipe rooms with one mag

[obtuse kite]

you can get more kills faster

if you have the skill

[urban lark]

pro players definitely cant (as easily) fly around with a fast ttk, but if they have good positioning and aiming skills they can easily get 4 kills in 1 flank. that makes sense yea

[obtuse kite]

rewarding bad players isn't not the goal btw
the whole damn point of a casual game is to be fun for everyone

[urban lark]

cause you gotta think about this too: longer ttk means more bullets per 1 enemy which means you gotta reload mid gunfight because whoops! it took 5 bullets to kill this guy from your 30 round mag! sorry bud

(you spent most of your mag pre-firing or missing the target because flinch)

[obtuse kite]

real

[rich ember]

wouldn't a pro player not have this problem, though?

[obtuse kite]

he didn't say it would

but also it kinda does

more bullets to spend = more reloading regardless of skill

your gun only has so much ammo

[rich ember]

besides, wouldn't being able to make that less of an issue be an element of being more skilled at the game?

[obtuse kite]

sure?

but it still is a limiter

the more limiters there are, the lower the ceiling

[urban lark]

well, in my experience with mw23 (the main game im critiquing for higher ttk), you cant really avoid flinch if your enemy uses overpressured rounds and you spend valuable attachments purely on flinch reduction. too bad mw23 got rid of weapon tuning so you could no longer use an ads/accuracy grip with flinch reduction maxed out. pre-firing is universally useful for surprising enemies especially if theyre camping

[rich ember]

Sledgehammer sucks at balancing. ...Actually, all the CoD devs do, Treyarch are just particularly notable for it because the balance issues are usually blatant and usually take ages to fix, if they even bother to at all.

[urban lark]

i cant even comment on treyarch because i genuinely have not played one of their cod games in years its insane

like they only have the og blops games going for them and thats it

[rich ember]

Black Ops Cold War had a fun meta where you can make a sniper rifle that has no flinch, and run either dual shotguns or dual 44 magnums as a secondary, either way you can just oneshot anyone that gets close to you.

[urban lark]

IW opened a pandoras box starting with mw19, but i still enjoyed their games because im a fan of their more "realistic" take on CoD and their more grounded balancing feel

[urban lark]

yep seems about right

then theres sledgehammer with 10 attachment slots for all guns (which, actually this was a really good idea. but i hated how they wasted this concept on vangarbage of all cod games)

[rich ember]

MW19's main issues were questionable weapon balancing with regards to DLC weapons, mainly the AS VAL, and really stupid perk design. Why is High Alert a thing? Why is Overkill still a thing?

[urban lark]

overkill is so good tho

[obtuse kite]

look at TTK like this; if the TTK is high and a new player enters a room with five enemies, they'll probably get off a few hits before immediately dying and possibly feeling upset because that situation wasn't that fair. if a skilled player enters that same room, they might be able to kill two or three players, but they'll almost definitely die regardless
if the TTK is low and a new player enters that room, they could get two or three kills before dying. they'll feel somewhat accomplished and have alot more fun. if the skilled player walks in, they could take out the whole room if they have really good aim and flick. everyone's happy

[urban lark]

high alert is unfortunately necessary with how overcomplicated modern CoD maps are

[rich ember]

And also, having Marksman Rifle and Sniper Rifle categories in the same game, despite them being basically the same.

[urban lark]

hmm i do not think so

[rich ember]

It's free information with no counter, it shouldn't exist.

[urban lark]

marksman rifles are pretty indifferent to snipers except for that much more range and ballistics you get from the latter irl, but in game they function very differently

[rich ember]

Why is the KAR a marksman rifle and not a sniper rifle?

Why is the SPR a marksman rifle and not a sniper rifle?

[urban lark]

the spr was incredibly annoying so honestly i agree

like it was pretty much a sniper but you could absolutely crack it out with ads speed while retaining 1 shot potential. x2 gtho

[rich ember]

Same could be said of the KAR.

in fact, most would opt to use the KAR as a sniper rifle due to it having better ADS speed than the actual sniper rifles in the game.

[urban lark]

marksman rifle category makes sense for stuff like the ebr, g3, svk, etc, but certainly not the kar/spr

[rich ember]

The Marksman Rifle category basically ended up being Sniper Rifles But Faster

Which seems redundant to me.

[urban lark]

mw4 in 2028: pdw category, smg but fastest

[rich ember]

Everything in that category could either be classified as a sniper rifle, or a Battle Rifle in the case of the EBR.

[urban lark]

fast ttk is so addicting

[obtuse kite]

fr

[urban lark]

yeah i mean i guess battle rifle can replace the marksman rifle category that makes sense

[rich ember]

I mean, to be honest i'd scrap the Battle Rifle category and just put those in with AR's.

[urban lark]

is it bad to say im somewhat disappointed that acti made a seperate independent creativity studio or whatever for game direction instead of letting iw main it

[urban lark]

tbh no

[rich ember]

Fuck IW, spiteful pricks.

[urban lark]

i mean in the case of mw23, the bas-b (m7) is in the battle rifle category which does not really make sense, so it couldve been in AR, but battle rifles are definitely different both in game and irl to regular ar's

bigger calibers which usually means more power but lower handling

[rich ember]

I don't think the distinction in-game is enough to warrant the seperate category.

Nobody who matters is going to care anyway.

Nobody cared when the M14 or G3 was an AR in CoD4.

[urban lark]

yea, but tbf cod4 is 19 y.o

[obtuse kite]

also I think BF1 has the perfect TTK

[rich ember]

yes.

[obtuse kite]

technically 18 if you count in whole

but that's like gay and stuff

[urban lark]

i cant remember what year it came out

04? 05?

[obtuse kite]

07...

[urban lark]

brb

[rich ember]

I think that statement would be true if the sweet spot mechanic didn't exist.

[urban lark]

...o

[obtuse kite]

gonna go have a midlife crisis?

[obtuse kite]

I think you're subjectively wrong

[urban lark]

no but i couldve swore it was in 04 or 05

[obtuse kite]

nah

I think CoD 3 was 05

[urban lark]

lycan can you elaborate on what sweet spot is again for me because i genuinely forgot

[obtuse kite]

at certain ranges a sniper will 1 shot

[rich ember]

it's the mechanic where a bolt action rifle will one shot to the body at an arbitrary range for some reason.

[obtuse kite]

but not point blank

[urban lark]

wouldnt it be hard to keep the rifle in that 1 shot range tho?

[rich ember]

It doesn't make any sense and to be frank, i hate it.

[urban lark]

like if an enemy player moved forward or backwards

[obtuse kite]

usually it's like 60 to 100 metres or similar

80 to 100 actually

usually not that wide

[rich ember]

Let me pull up the symphic stats

[urban lark]

so within 80 to 100 some rifles can 1 shot to the body?

meaning youre just screwed?

click that and your ip will be all over 900 dark web forums

[obtuse kite]

oh oh oh I want $50!

[rich ember]

https://sym.gg/legacy/index.html?game=bf1&page=charts

Because i'm a bit dumb and can't fucking read the damage over range charts properly, i guess.

[obtuse kite]

yea

I think it's fair cause you're screwed if they headshot you too

[rich ember]

I mean, one shotting to the head is natural. that's how it should be.

I just don't think allowing one shots to the body at an arbitrary range makes much sense.

[obtuse kite]

I do see your point

btw what's that one medic gun that's literally just a straight pull bolt action

like not the one that converts if you rip out the gas system

[urban lark]

yea i mean like ive said before, as much as i love bf1, its not exempt from its own weird balancing mechanics and quirks

[obtuse kite]

there's one that is just a straight up boltie

[rich ember]

General Liu Rifle Factory.

[obtuse kite]

the factory one can't switch to semi?

[urban lark]

sweet spot could definitely be 1 of em

[rich ember]

It can, it just has a mode that's a straight pull bolt action.

It serves no purpose and I have no idea why it's even there.

but then again the gun sucks overall anyway so who cares

[obtuse kite]

it does way more damage what

anyways no I'm not thinking of that

[rich ember]

most of the medic SLR's 3 shot to the body and have decent rate of fire.

It doesn't matter.

anyway, that's literally the only medic gun that's a straight pull bolt.

you're probably not thinking of a medic gun.

[obtuse kite]

the gun I'm thinking of I just unlocked randomly mid game so it must be a challenge weapon

it was just bolt action

no gas system

I unlocked it while playing medic

it was on the little selection list in the spawn menu

Istg it was like M1904 something

[rich ember]

I am going to give you a list of all the medic SLR's in the game, not listing off different variants.

[obtuse kite]

it wasn't an SLR

I might be insane I'm so confused

[rich ember]

-Autoloading 8
-Cei-Rigotti
-Farquahr-Hill
-Federov Avtomat
-General Liu Rifle
-Howell Automatic
-M1907 SL
-Mondragon
-RSC 1917
-Selbstlader 1906
-Selbstlader M1916

Only one of these is straight pull bolt action and it's the General Liu.

[obtuse kite]

I know

and I know it wasn't that

[rich ember]

then it wasn't a medic gun

[obtuse kite]

also the RSC is so much fun holy shit

[obtuse kite]

that I could somehow okay w as medic

😭

[urban lark]

rsc is like

a godsend

[obtuse kite]

real

[rich ember]

the only other straight pull bolts in the game are the Gewehr M.95 and the Ross MKIII.

so

[obtuse kite]

OH YEA

gewhr

why could I use that as medic what the fuck

[urban lark]

I wish bf1 had enough loadout slots for each faction in the game

Oh yeah and/or an option to turn off load out mirroring which wasn’t introduced until bfv I think

[obtuse kite]

did you send me a frq or is discord stroking it

[urban lark]

I did lol but unsent it cause I didn’t know if you were busy or just didn’t wanna accept

[obtuse kite]

I was busy for a sec dw

omg bruh I got the "this user isn't taking requests things" smh

[urban lark]

All good

I tried to friend you as well lycan but requests are off

[urban lark]

Bots and unsolicited messages by weirdos

[obtuse kite]

I get them just infrequently enough that it's a novelty

[rich ember]

nah i don't take friend requests.

[urban lark]

No worries

[sterile jolt]

V has better gameplay than many other BF games

[rich ember]

no

[urban lark]

It has some good mechanics and that’s about it, squad leader call ins are good, but I really can’t give it much else

Like just because it didn’t focus in as hard on immersion as BF1 does not automatically mean it focused on gameplay any better as a result

[sterile jolt]

Jump peaking and jumpshots are doable in BFV and 2042, V is the first one that allowed you to shoot mid air

[urban lark]

Just a result of battlefield copying all the wrong things yet again

[sterile jolt]

If they made BF3 or BF4: 2.0 in the next BF people would realize how bland and boring movement is in that game

Look at Delta Force

Literally BF3 movement, even worse in fact

[urban lark]

I can’t comment on DF movement cause idek where to find that game and I don’t necessarily trust it on my pc either ngl

[sterile jolt]

That's the best part

[sterile jolt]

It has high ADS speeds and weightless jumps

And not in a good way when I say ''weightless'', I mean it's useless

Very basic movement

DF also has a headglitching issue so basic movement + headglitching leads to camping and extremely defensive play

[urban lark]

Headglitching can generally be solved by contextual leaning and bullets coming from the gun barrel as opposed to the screen center correct

Basic movement lowers the skill ceiling but as a result the game is more engaging for more players and doesn’t become exhausting nearly as fast

[rich ember]

i mean, it could be solved by map design that doesn't have as many headglitch peaks.

Besides, if someone's standing and they're ADSing, their barrel is going to be generally at screen center anyway.

[obtuse kite]

no offense, you come off as a whiny snob

[rich ember]

Decoupling it from screen center is not a good idea, BFV did this.

[obtuse kite]

BF1 does it too

ish

I think it just simulates it

when close to an object if you scope in over that object you still might shoot it

[rich ember]

BF1 doesn't decouple where you shoot from screen center.

It just has visual recoil.

[obtuse kite]

lmao that has literally nothing to do with it what

[rich ember]

nah that's just BF1 being a bit shit with hitboxes

[obtuse kite]

it's not I tested it

the bullet hole is at the edge of the thing

and I can shoot very near to it without hitting it when stood further away

[sterile jolt]

It could've been solved if it had spread

[sterile jolt]

Dude BF3 is my favorite BF, it's just old. If DICE made BF3 again people would've hated it today. We don't live in 2011 anymore.

[urban lark]

I believe some would definitely hate it but at times it’s okay for devs to just put their foot down too

Like not every game has to be a movement shooter. This is why I respect BF1 and MW22 so much

[rich ember]

There's nothing to respect about MW22, IW were just being petty.

[keen jacinth]

I love their conquest mode.

[royal gull]

Lmao, guns feel great. Stop trying to be a full auto spammer

[rich ember]

"stop trying to be a full auto spammer" it's not spamming if it's full auto

[urban lark]

I don’t think full auto should be effective past X distance either but that doesn’t mean rbd is the solution

[rich ember]

...you know RBD is spread, right?

[urban lark]

Misspoke

Random recoil? I can never put my finger on what the abbreviation/name for that gunplay mechanic in v is called

[rich ember]

Spread to recoil conversion

[boreal wraith]

God don't you just love it when you and your team are failing to hold an objective because you get stuck with one of those maps where you're only allowed one vehicle and the only one available is currently sitting there in your spawn because some douchebag took it and pretty much spent the entire match AFK in it

[tropic vortex]

2011 when everything was normal, now everything is basically a joke

I can definitely say that half the players here wouldn't fit in

[chilly flax]

im a BF veteran, for me it all started with bf1942 and i am with you with this. Players have changed, today its all about sweats, skins and grind

[solid carbon]

ok boomer

[silk zenith]

lol

[chilly flax]

this tells you alot with today society

[sterile jolt]

BF3 didn't even had strafing as an option, you could strafe but it was so slow it would be basically worthless, that's why jump peaking meta came to be, and crouch spamming mid fight, BF3 played very different than modern shooters and if you released it today people would be confused

[sterile current]

Woke up at 3:00 AM to play Battlefield 5, and ascended to a new level of sniping 10/10.

I created a whole new sniping technique. I call it the the stick drift headshot maneuver.

[tropic vortex]

That's the best time to play

[vernal pulsar]

Hello hello. I really want to get good at flying airplanes in battlefield 5
But the default controls are really hard to learn
So I was just wondering if I need to switch to settings
Or I just need to get good

[uneven cape]

personally i never played vehicles on battlefield cuz theyre hard to learn, difficult to even get on one especially planes, and you dont even get to learn or enjoy it cuz you instantly get focused and killed

[little rapids]

Can someone help me with Death From Above trophy? Battlefield V PS4

[granite ingot]

I was thinking of redownloading bf1 but I was wondering if the amount of sweats is really bad or just mid

[urban lark]

It’s not really sweaty at all

The plane players are the worst thing about it tbh everything else is generally tolerable

[kindred sail]

there is a solution for planes in bf 1, fixed aa and the burton with inciendary rounds

bf v is by far the game with more try hards

[urban lark]

I will certainly give that a go when I’m next on

[kindred sail]

good pilots will know where the aa is placed so that might not work but a lonely burton works wonders

[uneven cape]

why tf i cant equip dogtags on bfv

[obtuse kite]

yea like levi said there's not really any sweats

I'm pretty new and even I can get plenty of kills

15-20 in a normal game

[urban lark]

I went 17-3 yesterday night with the gewehr 98

Operations empires edge

[granite wyvern]

Is that good?

[pliant girder]

For some reason it’s completely broken, not even support could help me in any meaningful way

Been broken for years now

[uneven cape]

so do i have to stick with this ugly default dogtag forever

[pliant girder]

Yup

[uneven cape]

well shit

[pliant girder]

Unless they fix it

[uneven cape]

they never will

[pliant girder]

That was my reaction as well

[uneven cape]

really wanted to equip that macarthur dogtag

[pliant girder]

Yup

I ended up just buying irl engraved dog tags with my fav bfv dog tag on them

[shadow kindle]

Hi guys anyone tips for getting the T1? Car and gadget and specialist

[uneven hollow]

#battlefield-2042 you’ll get more answers there

[shadow kindle]

@uneven hollow thx u

[west bone]

Hello, how can help me with the online trophies un battlefield 1? I want the platinum

*in

[vale grail]

they wanted cod's arcade style but arma realisim at the same time, the whole game is shit outside of vehicle play, and the last tiger campaign

[vale grail]

unless your bipod is deployed

[rich ember]

the only people that run bipods on fully automatic weapons are Support players on Locker/Metro and I don't respect those people.

[vale grail]

or open maps that require them?

Imagine playing silk road without a bipod

[rich ember]

I can't imagine playing Silk Road anyway.

that map is ass.

[vale grail]

genuine skill issue, or just lack of practice

[rich ember]

Nobody runs it

because it's ass

[minor hatch]

what does the switch on the burton lmr do in bf1?

[rich ember]

switches between regular rounds and incindiary rounds, i think.

if i remember correctly.

incendiary rounds are more effective on planes.

[solar nexus]

https://youtu.be/uLnTsG-uo34?si=1jrrMXyclyZ1P2ka

[solar nexus]

Ex DICE devs are long gone. The video title

[wary sigil]

ok and

[hasty marsh]

I see Dell is still chronically stating the obvious as if its profound

[tropic vortex]

It's funny, if you time travel back 20 years and told everyone what happens in the future they wouldn't believe you and say to get help

What happened to Battlefield is just hilarious

[urban lark]

Which is why I refuse to pick up another BF game besides 1 until they’re actually semi decent

[sterile jolt]

I watched that and read the whole post, I dunno how Beede wants to turn BF into CoD with yearly releases. Like DICE can't even make a finished game in 3 years + 3 years of live service. And they want to turn it into a yearly series? Or a bi-yearly series? With live service? I dunno about that chief.

[hasty marsh]

They had already tried yearly releases back in the 2010s too

[sterile jolt]

I don't think BF audience wants ridicilous CoD skins and a new BF every year. Their plan will implode in their face if it's true.

[solar nexus]

COD has 3 primary devs, and more than dozens of supporting studios

That's why cod ships every year without any major stability issue

Battlefield 2042 had 5 studios, not all of them work on it at the same time

They were working from home too

[sterile jolt]

I don't think BF studios are capable of that though

[solar nexus]

They shouldn't anyway

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

[solar nexus]

Nobody wants a battlefield every year

[sterile jolt]

A new BF every 3 years makes most sense

Nobody wants ridicilous CoD skins in BF too

[solar nexus]

The next battlefield is taking 4 years

[sterile jolt]

That's why they canned Santa Boris

I'm hopeful about next BF but I have some very serious concerns if that thread is true, CoD'ification of BF is something I don't want at all

[solar nexus]

Vince Zampella said the next battlefield is going back to it's roots

[sterile jolt]

I don't trust ex-CoD devs honestly

To make a good BF

[solar nexus]

He said it will be like bf3/4. Which was the pinnacle of battlefield

[solar nexus]

I trust vince. Because he pointed out the flaws in battlefield 2042. He said bf2042 stayed too far from what battlefield is

[sterile jolt]

Maybe

I fear he will inject CoDisms into BF though

[solar nexus]

Vince Zampella didn't only lead CODs. He also led the medal of honor series which EA killed it long ago

[urban lark]

I always found it funny how Vince himself could admit that but yet I argued with so many people who downplayed or denied how far 2042 was from a genuine battlefield game

[sterile jolt]

BF cycle(CoD cycle) will continue with BF6 though

We will see people saying ''2042 was always goated''

[urban canopy]

I don't think most devs not having worked on bf previously is a problem. As long as they are people who still get Battlefield.

[sterile jolt]

I agree

[solar nexus]

Maybe remake the battlefield Vietnam. It will sell like hotcakes

Battlefield Vietnam and bfbc2 vietnam both were huge success

[sterile jolt]

I fear they will inject SBMM tumor though and ridicilous CoD skins and overpowered aim assist

[urban lark]

The codification is amogus

[urban canopy]

I mean if they can get away with it why not

[solar nexus]

The extraction mode in bf2042 meant to be COD DMZ?

They abandoned the hazard zone

[sterile jolt]

Hazard zone was meant to be a Tarkov competitor rather than DMZ imo, DMZ came after HZ too

[solar nexus]

They have the lead who led Cod Warzone

[urban lark]

The scary thing is, DICE and EA would totally benefit from SBMM in Battlefield. It’d invite so many new players to the game

[urban canopy]

I expect they codify next bf but more so in stuff like sbmm, aim assist and not general gameplay loop that we've come to expect from bf.

[vale grail]

it shoots 20 regular and 20 incindiary rounds

[sterile jolt]

I don't care about SBMM if it's exclusive to battle royale or whatever 3rd mode they want to make, core BF MP shouldn't have it though. SBMM and server browser/persistent servers are incompatible.

[solar nexus]

The next battlefield is rumored to have a f2p battle Royale, which is deeply concerning judging how bf2042 portal and hazard zone were abandoned shortly after release. Bf5 firestorm died on arrival

[sterile jolt]

Battle royale players loves SBMM anyways, I don't care about BR modes so I don't care if BR has it or not lol

[minor hatch]

what does the incendiary rounds do

[vale grail]

cripples airplanes

[urban lark]

That’d be fair. I’m also concerned about the existence of a battle royale mode tho cause it would definitely interfere with base game content

Like, it’d eventually need a map upgrade, overhaul or something to keep it fresh for players. But the average bf map is big and I’m sure takes enough time on its own develop

[sterile jolt]

They split up the work though, I don't think DICE is working on a BR mode at all, if there is a BR it's being made by Ripple Effect

[minor hatch]

that it?

[sterile jolt]

Beede talked about Ripple Effect making a 3rd mode

[urban canopy]

I'm kinda worried that they will recycle parts of the BR map and present to us as "new" maps. Which is what COD did with ground war.

[solar nexus]

They shut down a studio when the next battlefield was still a year away from release. The studio was responsible for the narrative and a single player campaign

[vale grail]

yes, it's critical to keep the sweats at bay and out of spawns

[solar nexus]

Battlefield needs campaign, but people here says it doesn't need one

[sterile jolt]

Play CoD for 2 hours and you will see why people hates SBMM

[vale grail]

they did that with stadium in 2042, it was a cut segment of hourglass

[rich ember]

I mean, no it doesn't

[solar nexus]

Bf1's war stories were well liked. Even though it was short

[vale grail]

I stopped playing about a decade ago, BO3's zombies was it for me really.

[solar nexus]

People enjoyed bad company 2's campaign

[vale grail]

An anthological series of non-connected stories works for BF1 to cover most aspects of WWI's many fronts and technologies.

[rich ember]

That is a game from 15 years ago.

[solar nexus]

Battlefield 3's campaign is also what people enjoyed

[urban lark]

Campaigns don’t really have a large return on investment but I’d hate to not have a separate game mode for offline or casual play. Blops4 being online multiplayer only is why I completely refused to play that game in the first place

[vale grail]

So? Something doesn't just turn ass after a fixed period of time like a food item expiring.

[solar nexus]

People liked the last war story of bf5 and even if didn't like anything else about bf5

[sterile jolt]

SBMM = constant sweating = no fun

[rich ember]

My point is if they haven't made a decent original campaign in that time, what makes you think they're going to start now?

[sterile jolt]

You don't even have a rank to show off too in ''casual'' matches

[vale grail]

having an autobalance works better because it makes the teams more leveled out.

[urban canopy]

I think they call it engagement based matchmaking now. Making sure you lose and win certain patterns to maximize in game spending. Honestly that makes me feel a bit like a lab rat.

[vale grail]

the unanimous backlash of V and 2042

[solar nexus]

Every successful battlefield game has a campaign. Even Hardline which was hated

[rich ember]

Unanimous

[vale grail]

oh you are, there's an AI specifically designed to sell you money

[rich ember]

You and I both know that's not true.

[urban lark]

Yes correct

SBMM and EOMM are slightly different

[sterile jolt]

I agree, I think team balancers should exist. I don't think SBMM should exist though. With SBMM there won't be any server browsers or persistent lobbies.

[vale grail]

who's singing BFV's campaign's praises again?

[urban lark]

SBMM is useful for ranked modes. EOMM is universally trash

[sterile jolt]

Yes

[vale grail]

2042 is like a hollowed out pimpkin but instead of being made into a jack-o-lantern it was used as a chamber pot

[rich ember]

Everyone who likes The Last Tiger

[urban canopy]

I'm ok with lenient sbmm

[sterile jolt]

SBMM or EOMM shouldn't exist in casual play though.

Lenient SBMM might be even worse than no SBMM honestly

[vale grail]

And that alone, no one liked and vehemiently despised the rest of V's campaigns.

[sterile jolt]

You will have a wider range of good players and bad players which will lead to noobs getting stomped far more

[rich ember]

It's still a part of it. It wasn't unanimous, regardless.

[sterile jolt]

With no SBMM you will stumble on to these pros like once or twice in every match

[vale grail]

I'm not, it's a crap trend that'd force you to 'play shit' otherwise the in-game algorythem would say 'hey this guy's doing great relative to his enemies' and then you'd get bumped into a massively harder bracket.

[rich ember]

It's highly unlikely to be. Not everyone who played BFV is even in this discord.

[vale grail]

Even so, I've yet to see anyone jump up to proclaim 'bfv's campaigns were all good'. for whenever it's in conversation it's usually 'outside of the last tiger, they all sucked bootycheeks'

[sterile jolt]

I personally don't care about BF campaigns, I liked BC2 and BF3's campaigns though

[vale grail]

I mean shit, Wolfenstein had mechs, robot dogs and space lasers and despite all that, it still somehow respected WWII's history more than BFV.

[sterile jolt]

BF3's campaign would be a masterpiece if it was released today lol

[vale grail]

BC1 often gets overlooked but I like it for how massive the campaign feels.

[urban lark]

BFV just diverted course for political reasons and refused to elaborate

[rich ember]

That's just it, you've not seen it, but that doesn't mean anything because you haven't spoken to every single BFV players

[rich ember]

I mean BF3's campaign is ok but just kinda mid

Didn't hate it but i don't remember much from it.

[vale grail]

whenever I try BFV's multiplayer no one has campaign achievements, at all

[solar nexus]

People disliked bf5's skins, because it didn't fit the ww2 theme

[sterile jolt]

I've played like 300 hours of BFV and only tried campaign like twice I don't like open combat mission design, I want my MP FPS campaigns to be linear.

[vale grail]

We need BC3 to be the next battlefield game, we got circle jerked for too damned long! The smile face tease in BFV, the inital Portal mode trailers being a shallow puddle of what could've been

[rich ember]

technically neither did BF1's but i don't see anyone caring about that

[urban lark]

It’s not about BF1 being documentary style realistic to the ww1 theme but being authentic

[solar nexus]

Soldiers having cybernetic arms, and cricket bat in a ww2 game is something else

[rich ember]

Wasn't even in the game.

[sterile jolt]

BFV's skins fits into WW2 though

[vale grail]

At least with BF1 the weapon skins looked like 18th and 19th century embelishments that were actually done on some rifles during that time. So the thematic cohesion is appreciated

[rich ember]

The cybernetic arm was not in the game.

[uneven cape]

honestly bfv skins arent that bad and some of the elites kind of look like a soldier would look like that

[sterile jolt]

Many people thinks cyborg lady is in the game to this day

[vale grail]

but diet tom cruise was

[urban lark]

BFV took a year after its launch to get actual authentic skins for the British and German factions

[vale grail]

"this is my movie"

[solar nexus]

But the skins and the characters are there. That's where the idea of bf2042 specialists came from.

[sterile jolt]

I wish she was though, I would've loved to use her just to make people mad

[rich ember]

I'm gonna be real i lack the motivation to give a shot about that

[vale grail]

And male tank drivers/pilots

[uneven cape]

feldgrau and tommy arent even authentic they are inaccurate af

[rich ember]

But the cybernetic arm was not in the game

[vale grail]

Then why commentate at all, you made it clear you like BFV and every other point you made but whenever I talk to other people you feel the need to remind me of what I already know due to you repeating it. At Nauseum.

[rich ember]

I don't even like BFV.

[solar nexus]

Was in the trailer, that's what i meant. It's one of the reasons the trailer was massively disliked

[rich ember]

Okay, but it wasn't in the game

[urban lark]

Alright let’s clear up a bit of a misconception:

it’s not about bf1 being realistic and bfv being unrealistic. But DICE clearly went political just for the sake of it with V, whereas BF1 gets a pass because of creative liberty and it was still authentic enough to where I can respect it as “alternative scenario ww1”

Like I play this game called hoi4 and most of my time spent in it is playing alternative history scenario mods that aren’t realistic but are authentic enough to be believable. BFV is not believable. This is why it failed

[sterile jolt]

There was a long chart of all the items and how accurate they are, 70-80% of them are accurate. 20-30% of them are either anachronistic or straight up modern clothing(some of the pants are modern cargo pants lol).

[vale grail]

Not counting the horrible depaurture from what BF1 had established with their trailers. We had all these quotes, war cries and slogans from the factions the dlc represented.

[solar nexus]

Bf1 cared about the history, actually for the most part

Bf5, hard to say

[vale grail]

Indeed, BF1 has been confirmed as a 'what if' scenario where all these concepts and prototypes thought up saw frontline service.

[uneven cape]

do u have the chart

[sterile jolt]

I will try to find it

[uneven cape]

i think bfv suceeded at showcasing obscure ww2 weapons so they do care about that

[vale grail]

BFV's intentional censorship of historical iconography, accuracy and intentional rewriting attempts is disgusting.

[uneven cape]

ty

[urban lark]

The hellreigel literally existed anyways

[vale grail]

No rush man take your time

[uneven cape]

we have legit no remains of it besides 3 photographs lol

not even a surviving prototype

[urban lark]

Why would the right side of the hellreigel look drastically different from the side we saw in the photos

[vale grail]

Only by pictures where there was no known doccumentation of calibre or fire rate. It's pure speculation more than anything else. But the fact remains; they took a gun so niche and rare to be known about and mate it one of the most inconic weapons of the game.

[urban lark]

I see. That’s fair enough about the caliber and fire rate

[uneven cape]

honestly got no issue with battlefield using obscure weapons in fact i love when they do it

[vale grail]

They even got Ian Macullem to do some of the codex entries

[uneven cape]

bf1 would be boring af if everyone just used bolt action rifles

[solar nexus]

Bf5 was missed opportunity. It was gaining traction until they decided to kill it in favor of bf2042

Bf5 was supposed to have more factions but those were scrapped

[urban lark]

I mean honestly what do people expect? There had to be creative liberties given to BF1 to allow it to function more like a WW1 skinned, typical FPS game, the fact that dice accomplished that is insane

[solar nexus]

And more maps aswell

[vale grail]

Creative liberties for the sake of gameplay I can understand, intentionally rewriting the Heavy Water raid is not only insanely racist and disgusting to Nowegians (I AM one), it's a disservice to the MEN who risked everything to pull that off.

[uneven cape]

do we know which factions they were? i mean im pretty sure one of them was russia

[urban lark]

A WW2 game with no Soviet Union bugs me

[uneven cape]

no china too

[urban lark]

China was supposed to be a faction in v?

[uneven cape]

wait hold up how is it racist i thought it was a norwegian woman

[uneven cape]

idk but it wouldve been awesome if it was

[vale grail]

CoD 2 (2005) has US vs Normandy landing, UK vs Rommel/Afrika Corp and USSR vs Stalin occupiers. Amazing game, amazing stories and characters.

*Stalingrad

[urban lark]

If we could get a bf1 style ww2 battlefield where all major factions are in game with their own character models, weapons and a minimum of 1 map for each country/using their troops, I’d shill that into oblivion

[uneven cape]

bfv was gonna center on unknown battles so its possible we even couldve had japan vs ussr

[vale grail]

they could've just made an 'organge box' of all their previous games, no remaster or anything, just some needed touch ups. like the battlefront classic collection

[vale grail]

or you know, have actual women who fought frontline combat in there like the Night Witches.

French resistence.

[urban lark]

BFVs portrayal of real events, as well as how women participated in them still ironically fails to respect women because it just entirely overlooks the women that fought in very real roles

[uneven cape]

mfw they add japanese female soldiers while japan was an extremely conservationist and traditionalist society

[urban lark]

A war story about/including the WASPs would’ve went hard

[uneven cape]

chindits war story wouldve been baller

uk soldiers on burma

[gray glade]

didnt they (dice or ea) say that bfv was supposed to be like a journey through the war

like from start to finish

[vale grail]

I mean hell in Cod Finest Hour you play as a black tanker during the Battle of The Bulge and he aspires to prove the racist allies, his own countrymen wrong. That's commentary done right.

[gray glade]

unless im misremembering

[vale grail]

only jounrey we went on was a trip to krabby land

[urban lark]

Based

[vale grail]

"WHERE AM I"

[urban lark]

Unfortunately there were many instances where British locals were much more inviting than many Americans own countrymen to their color

[solar nexus]

It wouldn't have been an issue if they did that in the correct context. The norwaygian mission disrespects the real commandos who took part in it. If they added a soviet front, map, and a mission it would work because it's documented that Soviet women participated in the eastern front

[uneven cape]

the senegalese tirailleurs war story is like the only instance of bfv where inclusion isnt forced

[urban lark]

I mean bf1 includes women character models for the white and red army recons and nobody was upset with that, so that also proves it’s not just sexism or some weird incel rhetoric

[solar nexus]

Bf1 did it right as well with the Harlem Hellfighters

[uneven cape]

bf1 russian recon is dubious cuz its based on the women's battallion of death which only had like 100 members, not really a smart way to portray the average russian soldier of ww1

[sterile jolt]

@uneven cape @vale grail sent to your DMs

[wary sigil]

So did yall read that thread too?

[vale grail]

At least they bothered to do it at all.

[vale grail]

French as well in WWI

[urban lark]

Damn shame bro

[gray glade]

https://techtroduce.com/battlefield-fans-temper-expectations-claims-developer/ should we be worried?

[sterile jolt]

Yes

2042 was the last good BF (Insert CoD BF cycle meme.jpg)

[hasty marsh]

BF1 did not, in fact it was very open about the fact that a lot of it was bs

Unless you want to go into the nonsense of "authentic vs accurate"

[urban lark]

For me I just prefer it to be believable. I’ve put 100s of hours into hoi4 mods where Germany won this war, the US lost that war, and I had fun despite the unrealism because it was ‘authentic’ enough for me to be able to immerse myself in it and give some slack for gameplays sake

[gray glade]

i want it to be immersive enough

[hasty marsh]

Agreed. the biggest issue with 5 was not that it was innacurate but that it failed to deliver a consistent tone.

[gray glade]

yeah, bf5 had some issues finding out exactly it was about

like the subclasses or whatever that was supposed to be included but were removed for some reason

reveal trailer showed some quite wild cosmetics, but the other trailers looked more authentic

[hasty marsh]

BF5 is as if you took Battlefield 2, Battlefield 1, and Battlefield Heroes, and threw them all into a blender to create one schizophrenic mess

[wary sigil]

eh, 50/50 for now

[wary sigil]

you will be boiled.

[dusty otter]

this contradicts what vince said though. And the thing about ttk games is straight up wrong

His first statement is somewhat true

[uneven cape]

bfv shouldve done the customization more or less like bf1. keep the weapon skins simple, add more character customization but still dont drift from consistent cosmetics, and scrap those shitty elites

[dusty otter]

new era headed by mostly new people yeah, but they're going back and playing easy for the 'phillosophy'

enhanced monetization elements like purchasable cosmetics
huh

this is literally BFV and to extent 2042

AI commander system I could see happening

[hasty marsh]

that actually sounds interesting.

[dusty otter]

Just so they can boast to the shareholders that their game is 'powered by AI' and that will make them nut

I mean yeah sounds somewhat interesting

[hasty marsh]

powered by AI in the same way a minecraft creeper is lmao

[wary sigil]

gotta hop on the trends

[wary sigil]

I unironically agree

mfw real time ingame chatbot

"jarvis how do we capture C"

[hasty marsh]

its not an LLM, its ai in the same way a bot in starcraft is ai

[wary sigil]

hm

[hasty marsh]

like its not a neural network or anything fancy. Its just a bot. Like how most enemies in videogames are bots

[uneven cape]

how tf i remove this ugly ass emblem from my weapon on bfv

[sterile jolt]

You can from BF1's emblem app I think

You also can turn off user generated content but I wouldn't do that

Server names are just generic numbers that way

[dusty otter]

The most "experimental" feature I knew about was an idea to have an A.I. Commander. Not ChatGPT/LLM A.I., just a traditional, heuristic based thing that automatically gives squads orders during matches.

Near a flag being taken? Go defend the flag.
Near another squad? Link up and attach together.

yeah

you bet they'll market this as 'AI Commander' though lol

[wary sigil]

"losing b"
"losing c"
"enemy at the building"

the fog

[hasty marsh]

they have been using neural nets for bots since 2016 so Im a bit suprised that isnt involved here.
Maybe they need a basic ai commander to act as training data for an NN based one?

[sterile jolt]

No one listens to squad leader anyways so why bother lmao

''Take D''
''Team proceeds to rush to E anyways''

[wary sigil]

team proceeds to stay on the edge of the map with a tank and sniper rifles

[hasty marsh]

as far as stupid gimmicks go its a lot better than tornados

[wary sigil]

245 to 920

the tornado would have been so much cooler if it was like orbital's gimmick and the other maps had other disasters

[granite wyvern]

I finally hit 100,000 deaths in BFV 😂

[urban lark]

Unfortunately it is dead

The weird thing is you can still edit emblems on the battle log website but the app just

Got smited

[uneven cape]

so i cant remove the emblem?

[dusty otter]

yeah.. they straight up shut down the studio behind it

[keen jacinth]

tornado sucks up the rocket and throws at the assembly building, collapsing the facade and a large explosions accures

[sterile jolt]

Isn't that one of the selling points of BF6 now?

Concept art they shared had wildfires in Gibraltar

Could be cool

[keen jacinth]

could be just atmosphere for the map, probably the levelution is similar to a dust storm, the smoke from the fire cascades over the map ruining visibility.

[uneven cape]

is the armory packs the only way to get new cosmetics in bfv?

wtf bro they cost 30k and you only gain 300 daily

and some are BC only so bs man

[sterile jolt]

Yes, besides assignments and limited time events

Halloween had few bloodied skins for guns

[uneven cape]

come on

the default japanese cap doesnt even fit the cammo of the default uniform and the one that does fit is locked behind a pack

[sterile jolt]

Finish assignments to gain them faster

[uneven cape]

you only gain like 300 cc and the packs are 30k-50k

[sterile jolt]

Tides of War + gold skin assignments + daily logins should be able to get you most of the 50K packs in like less than 100 days of login

Gold skin assignments gives you 1000 after you finish them I think

I had like 130K by the time I stopped playing BFV

[dusty otter]

just get definitive edition

[violet jay]

Someone answer me 2 things please in 2042

1 - Where can I find an accessory called subsonic? This is not the first time that when the game is loading and there below the screen the tips appear and one of these tips said that using the previously mentioned accessory, When you shoot the enemy with a sniper then the enemy cannot see the trajectory of the bullet

2 - Which accessory does not reflect sunlight? Because the other day I was watching a video on YouTube of a guy who is one of the best snipers here in South America and in the video he said that he was going to use this accessory that doesn't reflect sunlight on the tip of the gun but for what I I remember, he didn't say what the accessory was

[simple heart]

2. Would be called honeycomb as far as I know

At least in Bf3-4 was idk about 2042

[kindred sail]

that is the subsonic ammunition, not all weapons have it, so if you want to use a weapon go to coop breakthrough and unlock the attachments on it, or check before if it has subsonic ammo

[kindred sail]

I might be wrong but everything below 6x does not reflect/produce a glint

[nimble haven]

ugh, trying to find people for bf4 to do the phantom easter egg is quite difficult nowadays

[river lodge]

y'all so I redownloaded Battlefield 4 and tried to join an all maps server with DLC included

I've owned Premium since I got the game several years ago and have all the DLCs installed, yet the game itself says I need to install missing packs

is there any way around this/fix?

[tough oracle]

ayos. anyone able to decript this message for me? i keep getting this error from event viewer and seems like im stuck, no idea how to do solution
Faulting application name: bf1.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x66f1b411
Faulting module name: nvwgf2umx.dll, version: 32.0.15.6636, time stamp: 0x674f613e
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x0000000000f22f3b
Faulting process id: 0x0x1CC8
Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DB6BBAAEC58D6D
Faulting application path: d:\steam\steamapps\common\battlefield 1\bf1.exe
Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispsi.inf_amd64_3efa186d0d770b7a\nvwgf2umx.dll
Report Id: 396643a0-da7f-4c24-b68a-1bfdca4d6cca
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

[frigid veldt]

Quoted @BattlefieldComm

Battlefield Comms (@BattlefieldComm) ✧

Update 8.4.0 for Battlefield 2042 is now live. If you are currently in a session, you may need to restart your game to pick up the update.

Your update notes can be found below!

𝕏 · Jan 21, 2025, 9:36 AM

Battlefield Comms (@BattlefieldComm) ✧

http://x.com/i/article/1880260426576924672

𝕏 · Jan 17, 2025, 3:00 PM

[sterile jolt]

1 - Some weapons has subsonic ammo, you can see them with scrolling past their mag attachments.
2 - Use scopes below 4x or hybrid sights. Anything above 4x reflects sunlight. Hybrid sights don't reflect regardless of their scope zoom.

Wish they kept the laser/glint bug in the game

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

Call shotgun, or coax gun, and get ready to ride 💥 Play #Battlefield 2042 and earn ribbons to unlock 👇

BMP-2: 🎖️ 40
M3A3 Bradley: 🎖️ 80

𝕏 | 🎬1 · Jan 21, 2025, 12:29 PM

▻

[outer palm]

I like battlefield

[outer palm]

I’m gonna try to get the Peacekeeper

[uneven cape]

i already did

[lucid grail]

does it matter what conquest if i play the 128 player version of conquest will i still get the m3a3 and the other mini tank

[sterile jolt]

Yeah, ribbon progression happens regardless of what you play

This week's mode has double the ribbon progression though so if you get 3 ribbons per match you will actually get 6 ribbons to your completion

[lucid grail]

thanks for the reply 👍

[zealous geode]

Please don't make battlefield 6 a cod clone

[tropic vortex]

[violet jay]

And can this "honeycomb" tell me or show me what is inside the game? because I honestly don't understand

[violet jay]

What would be "coop"? It's because you told me to go to this place but I didn't say where it is And you also said that not all weapons have it but the snipers in the game must have it, right? because if it is an accessory that does not show the trajectory of the bullet

[sterile jolt]

Subsonic is only good with XCE

At least for snipers

Otherwise it's good for most SMGs and some ARs

[violet jay]

To know whether it reflects or not, you would have to do a practical test, that is... you and a friend of yours change teams and one of you stays in a far away place aiming at the other with the sniper and only then will you know, but also because supposedly only scopes below 6x don't reflect?

[outer palm]

I killed someone with a spot flare lmao

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

This week in #BF2042 👇

🔸 Frontlines Unlocked
🔹 Conquest of Ages
🔸 2042 Tank Superiority
🔹 #FNB - Fast Conquest

🔗 http://go.ea.com/BF-calendar

𝕏 | 📷1 · Jan 21, 2025, 4:57 PM

[violet jay]

And when I look for the accessories, will it say Subsonic or what name will it have?

Views Above 4 x Reflect sunlight But does this also happen in real life? And why does this detail have to be above a certain distance to reflect or not? And you also mentioned hybrid sights, but what would that be?

[sterile jolt]

Yes

It's for gameplay balance, doesn't mean it works like that in real life. Hybrid sights are Ghost, Maul and 8T. Those won't give you scope glint regardless.

[vale grail]

Subsonic with a 🚫 over a bullet for its icon

Stealth is rather useless in 2042 though

[sterile jolt]

Disagreed

It's useful for defense

K30/AK5C-Subsonic-Type 4-Blasco would make the perfect camping playstyle in defense based mods such as Frontlines or Breakthrough

[plush void]

is ddosing common in bfv?

i get dced for no reason

especially when im playing well

[vale grail]

Well, all that shit I said about the battlefield 'codification' turned out to have a lot more merit than anticipated. This explains a lot if true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLnTsG-uo34

[vale grail]

PC I take it

[vale grail]

I use long barrel and HV or AP bullets, fire rate makes long-range firefights fun. I can literally machinegun a sniper 300m out now.

[sterile jolt]

Yeah AK5C is really good with high power. I don't use heavy barrel though, it just makes me lose TTK lol. I use armor piercing only in DFR honestly. DFR's AP is actually good unlike rest of the weapons.

[vale grail]

You need it for fire control at longer ranges.

[sterile jolt]

How come? It's the worst time to copy CoD honestly considering how fast CoD loses it's playerbase.

[vale grail]

short barrel on rush cqc melts, it's like shipment on cod.

I felt sick yet somehow satisfied using that

200 rounds, mounted with bipod, trigger held down and aimed 'in enemy general direction.

[sterile current]

It turns out..no scoping with snipers is a perfectly viable tactic in battlefield.

I’ve playing 12 hours doing nothing but no scopes

[kindred sail]

that's the way I play in BF 1

[jolly fog]

Is BF4 active at all now?

For PC

[kindred sail]

yep

[jolly fog]

Nice

[uneven idol]

hello i didnt know where else to ask this but I keep getting a crash report whenever I try to open bf1

i dont know how to fix it and I didnt know where else to ask :(

[kindred sail]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Battlefield-1/BF1-for-PC-Doesn-t-Start-After-EA-anticheat-Update/td-p/14190188

[wild jacinth]

trying play BF3 on pc

says Service Unavailable when trying to connect to the server browser thing

and for BF4

battle log

[swift sigil]

Is the guy who said what to expect from next Battlefield confirmed ex dev? Cuz if he is, I lost last bit of hope for franchise lol

[sterile jolt]

I remembered how good the music in BF3 was:
https://youtu.be/_jOMpG_dkEs?si=hs8xDtUKmyz36kId

I hope next BF tries to capture some of that feel.

[sterile jolt]

We don't know

My biggest issues are their annual release plan, like DICE can't even make a good, finished game in 3 years lol. How do they expect to be an annual franchise like CoD despite single CoD studio having like 3x the people all the combined BF studios has. Live service and battlepasses are already confirmed but we will see how ridicilous they will be. BFV and 2042 had good skins imo. If they keep it like that without too much ridiculous skins it will be okay.

Also I don't trust ex-CoD devs to keep legacy BF features such as server browsers, platoons etc. I doubt they will ever come back unless it's hidden in a mode like 2042's Portal.

[swift sigil]

My bigger issue is the ingame monitezation plan and that they hired former Ubi gm and former CoD gm

Like that's literary combining from 3 of one of my most hated studios right now

[sterile jolt]

Monetization is here to stay. Every multiplayer game nowadays is live service. We won't see premium come back ever again. I don't have much issues with monetization, I can just ignore them if I want to. My biggest issues are how they are going to make it an annual franchise and how much of the legacy BF features will be there.

If they ditch server browsers and add an MMR matchmaking I won't play it.

[swift sigil]

I'd be fine with monetization if skins would be kept grounded and not some crazy stuff. And full priced AAA games don't need 10-15$ battlepasses every season.

[uneven idol]

Thanks! I found a video that actually told me to just delete a file

[urban canopy]

I see the chances of server browser returning 50/50. It's important for a BF veteran but I doubt the average game will care since it's never really been a thing in other AAA games.

[sterile jolt]

CoD used to have server browser on PC until like WaW or MW2 I think

I might be wrong

CoD4 definitely had it though

[urban canopy]

Yeah I remember cod4 now that you said it

[livid bay]

I hope it returns cause I know a lot of people who will refuse to buy the next game if it doesn’t have a server browser with persistent servers

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield Comms (@BattlefieldComm) ✧

Today we've been observing your feedback about the recently introduced BMP-2 & M3A3 Bradley and we've made some early balancing changes which are live right now on Battlefield 2042.

APFSDS-T Sabot Shells
▫️Max damage lowered from 28 to 25.
▫️Minimum damage is now lowered from 22 to 20.
▫️Rate of fire reduced from 150 to 140.

Main 20MM Cannon
▫️Rate of fire lowered from 200 to 185.

Frontlines Unlocked & Conquest Unlocked
Our aim with these two modes is to have the ability for you to get behind the seat of these two vehicles while you're assisting your team towards the win.

As such, we've disabled the choices within the Heavy Armor category to ensure these variations of the modes are available as created.

More changes on the way!
We are aware of other issues taking place with some of the recent additions, and we will be following up on them as we continue our investigations.

Keep your feedback rolling!

𝕏 | 📷1 · Jan 22, 2025, 4:09 PM

[junior torrent]

For me, it's something else

[kindred sail]

did you find the video in the thread mentioned or just by searching online?

[urban lark]

I don’t believe it’s about what OTHER AAA games have had. It’s about what Battlefield used to have and then randomly stopped having, which was a lot of things. If BF6/7(?) doesn’t have one the game is bound to be yet again another commercial failure

Like idc about how good the gameplay is if I can’t even decide what server to join especially if I’m forced to sit in a queue that will never get up to the minimum player count required to start another game because I left a bad match where my team was just getting stomped

[hasty marsh]

If theres not a server browser Im just writing the next game off entirely

[wary sigil]

Like that dude said "temper your expectations"

[rich ember]

"Temper your expectations"

...No.

You have millions of dollars and multiple teams of allegedly qualified people.

This isn't a small independent operation, fuck off.

[sterile jolt]

You should temper your expectations for yourself, not because you have to find excuses for multibillion dollar company

Next BF is their last shot anyways, they know it, we know it, everyone knows it

[rich ember]

I already expect nothing, but i'm going to be disappointed if shit doesn't work.

because by all accounts, shit should work. they get paid more than I do.

[wary sigil]

And things can still go very wrong, so as an individual, hope for the best, expect the worst

cause these wack as corpos can have infinite resources and still fumble the bag

[rich ember]

I'm not hoping for anything.

It's pointless.

They need to prove they can make shit worth getting excited about, and i'm not going to give them that ahead of time.

Not when I can just play Balatro and have fun with that instead.

[wary sigil]

Shit should work, but but just because it should doesn't mean it will, cause that's how this shit runs now for some reason

i have low expectations for everything except music at this point

[rich ember]

2042's music was not great either though.

[wary sigil]

i don't mean the game ost

i mean music as a medium

[rich ember]

oh

[wary sigil]

i will somewhat defend what they were going for with 2042's music though

bad excecution sadly

and the main theme is an earsore

[rich ember]

Maybe they were going for some kinda theme with it. I don't care about the theme they were going for when the rest of the game only seems to barely care at most.

How can they expect me to give a shit about this apparently being a world ravaged by climate change if they're not going to lean into that concept.

before you warn me mods, that is the literal setting of the video game.

[wary sigil]

Oh yeah and then the story be limited to loading screens

[rich ember]

It's not my fault it's kind of mirroring real life a bit.

[wary sigil]

as a chilean i find it hysterical that they named a character the same as a historical chilean figure

[sterile jolt]

I like it

[wary sigil]

some tracks of the ost are fine

[sterile jolt]

Exposure, Spearhead, Haven, Redacted are pretty good imo

[wary sigil]

Im talking about the OG ost

released before launch

[sterile jolt]

Oh well, I don't like many of them lol

[wary sigil]

Some tracks in there work