battlefield-legacy-titles

[jolly fog]

I forget, isn't the Sturmgewehr the better AR in BFV or? That's what I been using

[sterile jolt]

Yes

M1907 is also really good once you learn how to burst with it

[livid bay]

Have they said anything about the server browser in the next game?

I hope they bring it back. I’m probably not gonna buy without it

[sterile jolt]

No

That's what I fear

I fear they will implement SBMM

[solar nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/s/kNWhq5qOhg

Same for battlefield

[urban lark]

I would like to think BF doesn’t have the playerbase for it to work or at least anywhere as strongly as other games

[sterile jolt]

I think they wanted to have that for 2042

Hence no server browser

But after 90% of the people left they decided to not implement it

[urban lark]

Welp

[sterile jolt]

What’s going to happen with BF6 remains to be seen

[jolly fog]

SBMM fine as long as it is not the manipulative trash that CoD uses called Demonware (fitting name)

[sterile jolt]

I hope plummeting player numbers of CoD and Apex sends them the right message

[urban lark]

I used to think the same but even sbmm tends to fail to protect who it’s put in place for, also, it totally destroys your connections 1/2 of the time

[sterile jolt]

SBMM is bad period

[urban lark]

I don’t know for it used to work because apparently it’s very old to cod — since about 2007-2009 with conflicting results, but whatever that was could come back if they’re going to put anything into the matchmaking process

[sterile jolt]

Especially in casual modes

[jolly fog]

I'm all for no sbmm, but I think players with low APM and super poor accuracy esp over time should be in a bracket of their own, like some disabled ppl etc but generally I hate SBMM

[sterile jolt]

CoD started to have SBMM after AW

Not CoD4

[jolly fog]

Yeah, MW19 is when it got EOMM and disbanding lobbies

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

[sterile jolt]

They should implement XDefiant’s system

[jolly fog]

That is actually a good system

Too bad Ubi did an L and let the game fail, its 100% their fault but the matchmaking was almost perfect

[urban canopy]

If they wanted they would have implemented sbmm in 2042 I feel like

[urban lark]

They can’t resist after seeing those activision numbers

[sterile jolt]

I think that was the intent but 90% of the playerbase left the game so they didn’t

[urban lark]

Then that means activision was using semantics to defend their predatory implementations, unfortunate but not unexpected

[jolly fog]

They have a unicorn fart finishing move in BO6 now

[urban lark]

Cause I know I read something about them saying it was really old to CoD despite how obvious it is that something changed in 2019

[urban lark]

I’m very glad I didn’t buy that game

I only stick with the MW games cause the theme and gunplay is good

[sterile jolt]

They were claiming team balancer is a sort of SBMM

[jolly fog]

This is the 1st CoD since BO1 that I did not buy, tried on Gamepass till lvl 50 and nope tf out for good

[sterile jolt]

When it’s not

[urban lark]

Nothing about it seems very interesting at all tbh

Omnimovement is okay I guess

What else tho? It is basically diet MW

[urban canopy]

I played the beta for one hour then I was done

[sterile jolt]

It’s a detriment more than a good feature

Running and sliding sideways is okay but you can’t dropshot while running

Dropshotting is far more useful than dolphin diving

[jolly fog]

Before MW19 your skill rating changed very slowly over days/weeks based on if you played worse or got better, and lobbies did not disband. Post MW19, your rating goes up or down based on past 5 matches, and lobbies disband to place you in a match based on your recent rating. But it bumps you way above what you actually are after a good game which is why its so ass

[sterile jolt]

Turns out you can manipulate it very easily too

If you start to leave games back to back then your skill rating will plummet

[jolly fog]

They just started letting ppl see their skill rating if you requested your acc info but it worked for like a day and no one (inc me) has got theirs yet. They track everything you do though, based down to the skin/operator you wear too

[sterile jolt]

Operator makes sense

[jolly fog]

Ah you know too, yeah the system is trash

[sterile jolt]

They want to sell bundles

[jolly fog]

CoD has 99 problems but the store aint 1

[sterile jolt]

So they will make more bundles for operators people likes

[sterile jolt]

Yeah lol

[jolly fog]

The servers could be literally on fire but the store will still work

[livid bay]

Let? They straight up killed it themselves. It had a few more good seasons till it would actually die. Ubisoft just killed it for the buyout

[jolly fog]

Yeah that's what I mean, it's their fault, could have done so much more

[rich ember]

xDefiant failed to actually be a competitor.

They had like, two ideas and then just expected those to carry a mediocre game.

[sterile jolt]

It just sucks that we are at the EA and DICE’s mercy for a no SBMM game as casual FPS enjoyers

BF is quite literally only series left without SBMM

I guess Marvel Rivals doesn’t have it too for it’s casual playlist but that’s a hero game more than a shooter game

[jolly fog]

Devs need to stop changing what worked for decades

Like how CoD went with EOMM

There is a reason why BF1 is still somewhat popular all these years later

And its not because of sbmm

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

Make a good game

And people will play it

[jolly fog]

Exactly, like damn

[sterile jolt]

BF needs to rework it’s progression systems though

People still play CoD because they want dark matter

[jolly fog]

Yeah that's a good grind to have, just crazy they grind every year for it

I would grind for it in BF though

[sterile jolt]

It makes more sense to grind in CoD nowadays because they carry over to warzone

But yeah same grind every year as a non WZ player doesn’t make sense

[jolly fog]

Yeah that's accurate

[raven seal]

is blackburn from bf1 the ansestor to blackburn from bf3

[urban lark]

Amen

If there’s anything I believe Battlefield can definitely take notes from CoD on, it’s progression. The actual system itself is pretty well streamlined, you’re constantly unlocking something in a CoD game, and it helps to have satisfying sfx and badges/icons hit your screen when you do

[urban lark]

So would this put you in easier matches?

Destroys your W/L ratio but that’s pretty much irrelevant to anyone but people who exclusively play with pre made squads in small game modes like SnD

[raven seal]

is matkovic in the army or smn bc hes the only person in the campaign wearing multicam in bf3

[jolly fog]

So when you start quitting a bunch your skill rating goes down, and when you start playing well in the matches you dont quit, it skyrockets to beat you back down again

[sterile jolt]

Yes

[raven seal]

yeah i was rlly confused

nah its just multicam G2's

ye

bf3 looks so good on my pc though oh my days

why did dice update frostbite to its modern poo state

[urban lark]

industry leaders as a whole have long mastered their respective IPs, crafts and technologies and now they just do dumb things when they’re bored

Which is definitely generally true, however, for dice and frostbite, it has certainly regressed in general

[rich ember]

I donno, I don't think BF3 looks that great

first of all, the UI was made for like 720p screens. so on a 1080p screen or anything larger, it's small as fuck. and i'm sorry but the blue filter and how the sun is, it sucks.

[urban lark]

It’s a pretty dated visual thing they went with, fortunately it’s not really noticeable on a lot of maps (for the blue filter)

[rich ember]

BF4 is definitely better UI wise

though they then forgot about that after BF1

but then again DICE forgot how to make good games after BF4, so

[urban lark]

I put that goalpost at after 1

[solar nexus]

Battlefield 1 is good

[rich ember]

nah, BF1 was a significant downgrade from BF4, gameplay wise.

like, DICE got lost in the "immersion" sauce with BF1 and forgot how to make a good video game

[rich ember]

also shut up

[urban lark]

My mistake for the dice thing

As for newer games looking better, of course that’s somewhat true. I mean bf3 did come out in 2011 and was for the ps3/Xboxes of that time. But it’s debatable compared to games even outside of fps (imo). It was very good for its time, I give it a lot of credit for that, I think it holds up well

I will agree to disagree

[sturdy oasis]

Hey, I bought the game a few days ago and I’m looking to find a squad

[solar nexus]

Battlefield 1 still looks good

The atmosphere is amazing

[rich ember]

it does, but the game is more than it's aesthetics, and it's actual gameplay is not as good as what came before it.

[solar nexus]

Better than bf2042

[urban lark]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think bf3 looks significantly better than a lot of modern games it’s just weird how fidelity, atmospheres, and a lot of those other more technical aspects just poop the bed compared to it

It was really just aggressive movement that they punished, that’s not a lack of balance for gameplay

That’s what I was trying to find the words to say as well

Like some modern games are so focused on graphics that yeah they just try too hard

[rich ember]

yeah but in punishing aggressive movement, they punished what made infantry gameplay fun.

they removed all the interesting stuff you could do in BF4, added in the slide, and then nerfed it so it's basically useless.

Are you done.

[urban lark]

I mean I’d be pretty annoyed if I poured my vocal chords into a video game just for people to overlook all of that for “yo I’m gonna slide around on empires edge and get a 5kd”

There should be balance

My perspective on the issue is communities are now championing balance and gameplay design so much that I feel like what made these types of video games truly memorable will disappear and then they’ll just be in a meh state where the opposite problem occurs and there’s too much focus on ‘gameplay’ over something that’s equally immersive and wants you to believe in some setting

I will insist that again, punishing aggressive movement does not mean there’s a lack of balance

[rich ember]

I mean, I feel like if sliding alone could get you a 5 K/D, that's probably an issue with you and your team rather than the game. cause like, you should be able to aim at a guy.

[urban lark]

lol nah I’m just exaggerating it for the point, I’m just saying I understand if DICE wanted something that also made people feel immersed into the setting, which is understandable for how ww1 is depicted in media

[rich ember]

yeah but in doing so they made the game worse from a gameplay perspective, which I feel is more important.

The game already looks fine. Having a slide that's actually useful wouldn't really detract from that at all.

[urban lark]

Which is why I believe slide is just useless as a mechanic anyways

[rich ember]

like, I think DICE were just catering to people that are bad at video games. which is supported by elite classes existing and also the sweet spot mechanic existing.

why bother getting headshots when you can get one shot body shots at arbitrary distances.

[urban lark]

I’m generally fine with elites since that’s the only way they could’ve balanced some of those weird experimental soldier concepts of the war

I wouldn’t want the tankgewehr to be a gadget that’s for sure

[rich ember]

I think they should've been exclusive to Operations.

I don't think they should've been in Conquest or Rush or any other mode.

[urban lark]

Behemoths I understand but elites aren’t too significant in conquest

Okay idk why they’d be in rush tho. That’s fair

[rich ember]

500 HP and an SMG that fires at 1800 RPM isn't significant, okay, funny joke

like bro.

come on.

like elite classes are a concept that should've been scrapped from the multiplayer for being poorly balanced.

[urban lark]

I mean at least they’re all 1 “shot” if you bayonet

I always just spawn away from where I died to an elite if it’s conquest unless my team is in the rare predicament that were spawn trapped, and you could argue that you can outrange them depending on which one it is the enemy team has

[rich ember]

Bayonets are a seperate issue. I have never in my life really hated being locked into a victim animation when someone is like a couple inches from me.

[urban lark]

It’s bittersweet

I love using it on enemies especially for revenge kills, I hate when someone doesn’t just use their gun to kill me and instead they use it

[rich ember]

it's not even like getting knifed in other BF games, where it's just you weren't paying attention

no, you literally can't do anything about it, most weapons aren't going to kill fast enough to stop it unless you're running a trench SMG on assault.

and of course that's when they work properly, there's also fun times where a guy will just walk up and then you get hit with the bayonet despite them not charging and with no sound.

like i get they were there cause of the theme but bayonets were just so fucking jank that they should never be used again

speaking of things that are there cause of the theme that don't work properly: gas grenades

i hate gas grenades.

[urban lark]

BF gun accessories in general are either useless or clunky and useless

[rich ember]

They have a funny property of going through walls, or going through ceilings in buildings with multiple floors, assault assholes will literally just camp buildings like that with an SMG 08 and gas grenades, spam them cause they made it so Support resupplies grenades, and make it so anyone in the building has to wear the gas mask, not being able to aim properly. it doesn't matter for them because they have an SMG with 84 rounds in a mag and also hipfire on Assault weapons is OP anyway.

simply, if i was making a game and i had to make gas grenades, I would simply not allow it to go through solid walls.

i would just make it so that's not a thing.

i'd also make it so it doesn't do 15 damage immediately, but does 1 damage per tick for how long someone's been in the smoke

[jolly fog]

[proven hatch]

I can’t play battlefield 5 now it’s telling me “you don’t have access to this content” when I own the game???

[elfin heron]

looking for friends to play battlefield 5 to set up a good and organized sniper squad (sniper, spotter, 2 rifleman for security

[rich ember]

EA has decided you don't get to play BFV anymore, actually

[elfin heron]

make sure ur on the right ea account lol i have 2 on accident from getting one with madden and another with battlefield

[raven seal]

bro i be on bf -5

fightin dinosaurs

[elfin heron]

0.4 gpa

[raven seal]

actually its 0.3

[elfin heron]

accepted into enlistment

[jolly fog]

Are you playing it on the same Xbox account you own it on with? Are you using Gamepass?

[raven seal]

happens

[jolly fog]

[proven hatch]

I’m on Xbox, but it just fixed itself

Now it’s telling me again I don’t have access to the content when I’m a TrIaL player when I HAVE THE FULL GAME

Never mind again

[sterile jolt]

BF3 is pretty great when it comes to art style

I miss brown and bloom shooters

[rich ember]

BF3 was blue what are you on about

[raven seal]

idk i think it still holds up

at least camapign

might just be game lightinh

[urban canopy]

bf3's lighting is still better than many games today

[raven seal]

i wish i could post a screenshit i took yesterday in the jet mission

it was beautiful

[urban lark]

Like I said earlier I honestly think that graphics have been perfected a while ago. There’s no reason bf3 should still be contesting modern games in fidelity and lighting

“It’s dated” only applies to the blue filter and bf3 gameplay design which is understandable but the latter is another issue entirely

[raven seal]

i like the gameplay

except the keybinds

your telling me to hold R for five seconds to pick something up

[solid hinge]

anyone know why when i play 1 day is great and next day i join game next match is stuck infinite loop

restart pc, reinstall game and scan for corrupted files.

[sterile jolt]

Sliding doesn't give you 5KD, it's harder to shoot while sliding than strafing/standing

Sliding and other movement related options are just skill ceilings, if you take them away you will get Battlefrontfield 1

[solid hinge]

hi does somebody knows why i cant select Polish language in BF 2042

i bought an key with pl language

[sterile jolt]

Look into it's properties from steam

Then change the language

[solid hinge]

Uhh i have it on ea

Also i tried to find it but i couldnt

[raven seal]

have you tried game settings

[uneven hollow]

The lad left

[wraith berry]

anyone had a direct x device creation error in BFV?

it keeps bullshitting me how my 3060ti doesn't support DX11 therefore can't boot the game

[wraith berry]

ok got it to boot, downgraded my drivers

[vale grail]

I made the mistake of replaying 2042 'to give it a chance'. I regret every second.

It's so barebones and agonizingly lacking in almost every major way.

[tropic vortex]

2042 lives rent free

[rich ember]

You know, it's been a really long time since a BF game has had just a normal AK. Like, AKM, 7.62x39.

they could've added one into Portal. one was in the BC2 Vietnam DLC.

but then again who cares about Portal.

[sterile jolt]

We will most likely get AK12 again

Older AKs aren't modular

[rich ember]

okay but what if the AKM was really strong, but it's a skill cannon. You have the recoil that it has, you can't do anything about it. You can't change it. All you can do is control it and try to make it work, but if you do, it will do really well.

[solar nexus]

Bf2042 needed a 2142 portal mode?

[sterile jolt]

Then it would be nice

[sterile jolt]

If it's not going to have titan mode or mechs then why bother?

[solar nexus]

How about bad company 2 vietnam or bf vietnam?

[sterile jolt]

Might as well make 2143 as a standalone

[solar nexus]

Portal should've been it's own game

[sterile jolt]

Vietnam would make sense but no one really cares about portal

[solar nexus]

That's not a good take. Nowadays most people play the bf2042 portal exclusively

[rich ember]

yeah but most of those people are playing milsim hardcore 1000000000% damage no bullet drop shit

they're not even playing the same game.

[solar nexus]

It was mostly used for bot farming prior to cutting support for bf2042

[rich ember]

either way nobody gives a shit

[sterile jolt]

If portal was standalone support for it would be cut even earlier imo

Afaik portal hasn't received any updates in terms of content

After the launch

[solar nexus]

So they did for hazard zone

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

[solar nexus]

They made hazard zone even worse

[sterile jolt]

DICE is small relative to the game they are making and they bit more than they could chew

With 2042

[solar nexus]

5 studios worked on it. But not all of them work on it at the same time

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

Afaik they started to help after it turned out to be too much for DICE alone

Except maybe Ripple Effect

[solar nexus]

Most of the other studios were brought in at the very late stage of development. Criterion had to pause their own game's development to help bf2042 ship on time

[sterile jolt]

BF2025 is going to have multi studio approach too but at least this is planned from the start afaik

[solar nexus]

Most of them were working from home at that time

Ea ceo said the next Battlefield game have the largest development team in the franchise's history

[sterile jolt]

Yeah

They said the same thing for 2042 though

So I'm cautiously optimistic

They at least divided workforce into different areas early in the development this time around

[solar nexus]

I think i can count on vince Zampella. He is among the very few successful developers at EA. Look at Jedi, apex. Titanfall

He is leading battlefield as a whole now

[sterile jolt]

Criterion and Motive is making singleplayer while DICE is making multiplayer, Ripple Effect is making a third mode

[solar nexus]

Ridgeline was working on the single player

The head of Ridgeline left on bad terms and his studio was shutdown

[sterile jolt]

Jedi's success is due to Stig Asmussen imo

He made God of War(original) he knows how to make action games lol

[solar nexus]

Vince used to lead COD until MW2 2011. He was fired for asking his owed royalties

[sterile jolt]

Yeah his track record is good

But I'm not sure if BF should be trusted to ex-CoD people

BF plays very different than CoD or Apex

[solar nexus]

But the concern is most veteran developers of battlefield aren't there anymore. Because of how EA treated them so they formed their own studio

[sterile jolt]

Yeah that's also true

[solar nexus]

Most developers of bf2042 never worked on battlefield before, even the leads

Let alone battlefield. They never used the Engine before

It went through a massive upgrade for 16 months of development of bf2042

[sterile jolt]

Current frostbite is a downgrade imo

Hope they fix it with next BF

Especially destruction but they confirmed that already

I hope it runs well

2042 still doesn't run well on my PC

Despite me getting 120 fps on BFV consistently

[solar nexus]

Bring back naval combat like paracel storm and wake island

[sterile jolt]

I'm not a fan of vehicles in BF honestly except for 2142's mechs lol

Because mechs are cool

[solar nexus]

Bf1 behemoths

[dusty vapor]

if anyone wants to play bf5 or 2042 , im on ps and europe region

[kind glen]

https://tenor.com/view/8th-ms-team-gundam-ground-type-mecha-gif-17878869817809295550

BF 0079

"the enemy is being reenforced with a gundam"

[urban canopy]

That's one of the reasons I wanted this next bf to be futuristic

maybe next time

[keen jacinth]

Make naval warfare great again

[proud moth]

yeah modern one past 1960 its all just missiles past 1945 its basically all just planes the great time of warships would be 1910-1943 for the naval warfare we want with dreadnoughts, battleships and that without much air spam

[dusty vapor]

Where i can find someone to play bf5 , im on ps ,eu region

Or 2042

[solar nexus]

Ad ac 130 gunship too? Like bf4

[nimble magnet]

Can I get the peacekeeper by myself? Or is it impossible

[solar nexus]

People used to say it's op in bf4

But it was easy to take down

Ac 130 was fun to play

[urban canopy]

Yeah as long as the opposing team wanted to take it down they could as soon as ac 130 arrived.

[dusty vapor]

Some discord servers for battlefield ?

[solar nexus]

Also, how about the commander mode?

[harsh jungle]

anyone else feel like bf5 is weirdly more polished than bf2042?

if dice makes the next battlefield just battlefield 5: modern edition it would be perfect lmao

[tropic vortex]

[urban canopy]

I'm ok with it as long as visibility is better

[sterile jolt]

Everyone thinks like that

[sterile jolt]

Agreed

[uneven cape]

dice has progressively made their games less polished for every entrance they release

[urban lark]

I would also prefer the movement to stay grounded but yeah. If they used bf1/v with a modern skin I’d like that

[sterile jolt]

Sliding is grounded

Butts on the ground

[urban lark]

Bfv slide is…….

It’s ok

I don’t like how you can slide up hills or stairs but it’s not the worst

@proper steeple

[sterile jolt]

BFV slide with proper momentum would be great

[granite wyvern]

^This

[urban lark]

Well I must give dice this: they knew better than to allow you to shoot immediately after sliding

[proper steeple]

He likes the 🍆

[urban lark]

The 🍆 invasion is not my will

I prefer peace between all of the fruits and vegetables

[proper steeple]

Yet u swallow

[harsh jungle]

tbh i played bf4 through bf2042 and felt like bf5 was the most polished and crisp of the bunch

but i played them on console so maybe on pc the older ones are better

[uneven cape]

bfv is only polished gameplay wise but content wise is probably one of the most empty ones on the entire franchise

bf1 was polished in content and the movement i guess it was alright

[urban lark]

Bf1 had a lot to do content wise

That’s why I don’t really like anything since it, they all just leave so much potential unturned thanks to the content model and the games being in a beta state for like a year after launch

[rich ember]

eh, BF1 movement could've been better if they didn't nerf it so hard to appease people who cared about "muh immersion"

[urban lark]

Bfv had good mechanics and movement but as far as gameplay I do have my gripes with it

[rich ember]

BFV fucked with gunplay mechanics when it didn't really need to.

[uneven cape]

im satisfied with bf1's content i think they added enough stuff

[uneven cape]

yeah honestly bf1's movement is pretty bad and glitched like when you climb stuff and instead of climbing it your character randomly prones

[urban lark]

Same

[urban lark]

This I admit is very common and definitely happens

I don’t know how or why it never got fixed

[nimble magnet]

Is this possible?

[rich ember]

and if you try to slide, you often get stuck on the floor.

making it even more useless than it already is

[urban lark]

They even went overkill and did Russian civil war content

Which was post war

[uneven cape]

the russian civil war coexisted with WWI but yeah i get what you mean

[uneven cape]

i dont specifically remember this but it does ring a bell

[sterile jolt]

I think so, just look at a guide

[urban lark]

I totally didn’t forget it started in 1917

[nimble magnet]

Ok cool

[uneven cape]

the battle of tsaritsyn didnt end until 1920 so its possible it really takes place postwar tho

maybe the operations narrator clarifies what year the map takes place in but im too lazy to look it up

[barren cloud]

Looks like competition didn't live up to the hype. Battlefield is still king as always

[candid crown]

Except a working anti-cheat unfortunately

[keen jacinth]

We need sunset maps like bf1

[real sonnet]

i went to google

[vale grail]

I gave 2042 another shot and after a few more hours' time played. My previous stance is now reinforced. Here's the list of missing features; No manual server browsing, m/kb options on console, campaign. Not to mention the 'create your own server' aspect of Portal needs a third-party website instead of being in-house unlike BF1, 4, HL and even BFV where in those games you could just make a server after renting one without need of using a plug-in website.

[tropic vortex]

Don't need server browser, controller skill issue, nobody cares about campaign, and we get it bud

[livid bay]

The server browser is one of the core features of battlefield. It’s the only reason anybody plays 3, 4, or 1 anymore

Removing it just kills the game’s future by ensuring nobody plays it once the player count gets semi-low

And a ton of people care about campaign. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t either

[tropic vortex]

2042 has the most active players apparently and we are doing just fine without it, you don't see 2042 players complaining about no campaign

[livid bay]

That’s cause nearly everybody who wanted a campaign or a server browser left early and now play the old games or just don’t play bf anymore

[tropic vortex]

Yeah keep telling yourself that bud

Whatever makes you feel better

[livid bay]

It’s a fact, cause I’m one of the people who respects themselves enough to not put up with 2042

[livid bay]

Also, “bud” immediately tells me that you aren’t intelligent enough to have an actual argument. You just try to make fun of your opponent so you don’t have to poorly explain your side

[uneven cape]

thats asking too much

[tropic vortex]

I was pretty much done with you since you didnt make any good points at all but now you want to keep going seeking my attention for no good reason throwing insults because you obviously got your feelings hurt

[livid bay]

“Didn’t make any good points at all”

My points were at the same level as yours if not better. Your entire argument was just that the people who didn’t leave 2042 don’t complain so it isn’t an issue. You fail to account for the people who left because of the lack of a campaign or server browser. The fact that a good portion of the community still plays the older games shows that they are discontent with 2042 and what’s missing from it

[tropic vortex]

2042 did just fine without those players that left and we still have the most active so nobody cares, those players you talk about thst don't like 2042 I understand them very well and I do read here everyday while I'm active in the 2042 channel everyday and I can tell you that you guys have issues 😉

[livid bay]

That is actually wrong lol. 5 has the most active currently. Going off of steam charts (cause consoles don’t really release player counts), 2042 has a peak of 15k players. 5 has a peak of 32k

2042 has an average of 8.7k while 5 has an average of 11.8k

2042 is no longer the most played bf game

Even 1 has an average of 8.1k and a peak of 17k

[tropic vortex]

There's a never ending argument about that and people are tired of it, you can search the discord server for users making a good point about 2042 being the most active, I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you arguing about every little thing that doesn't really matter cause I'm not one of those dudes

Have stuff to do man

[granite wyvern]

Whichever evidence you look at - BFV is the most active.

[tropic vortex]

Not at all but whatever you want to believe

[livid bay]

2042 doesn’t even have the all time high player count. That still goes to 5

Literally every stat you’d look at for player counts has 5 above 2042

[gentle nimbus]

why are there so many cheaters in BFV suddenly

like every third game I join has some blatant cheater

[livid bay]

Meh anticheat + lots of players

More players = more cheaters

[granite wyvern]

Also, I have 200 friends on Xbox (most of whom are/were BF players. The most played by them is BFV by a long way.

[granite wyvern]

One of the reasons I play on console

[vale grail]

OH that reminds me, the fucking server kicks you out of the lobby once the game ends! No more sticking around to play with a squad of people that you like.

[vale grail]

because they're simplistically impressed.

[uneven cape]

bf1 doesnt have a lot of players and also has atleast 1 cheater per server

[vale grail]

Then you're a friend of mine for that sake. I gave it a fair shot, played for a day or two and realized my assessment was and still is correct.

[vale grail]

consoles, not so much

[livid bay]

Yea. I forgot about them removing persistent servers

Y’know, the more I think about it, the more I realize they just copy/pasted cod’s matchmaking

[vale grail]

By the way, my C93 carbine just got its 33rd service star

[livid bay]

Nice

[vale grail]

They yoinked just cause's wingsuit and weather stuff, The Division's setting, cod's mechanics and the souls of Battlefield's legacy maps. Nothing in 2042 is original. Only good thing about it is how you can swap weapon attatchments in game without redeploying. Outside of that the vehicles and maps are lackluster and barebones.

[vale grail]

I've BF1 and all its dlc, want to squad sometime given you're PSN too?

[uneven cape]

yea its mostly on pc

[livid bay]

Eh, I honestly don’t like the plus attachment system. The old way made choosing attachments feel impactful and made you have to think. With the plus system, you can go from a long-range gun to a medium-range gun to a shotgun in a few button presses

[vale grail]

it'd be broken if not for the fact it's all guns

I've to go, I'll add you so we can talk later

[livid bay]

Maybe. I haven’t played much recently tho due to some irl stuff

[teal fractal]

dude

what

Total

• 332 servers
  12076 players
  154 in queue
  27 spectators
• Asia
  181 servers
  6763 players
  72 in queue
  15 spectators
• Europe
  113 servers
  4611 players
  73 in queue
  9 spectators

i didnt add in us servers because its late there not fair to add those statistics atm

but 113 servers eu 4611 active players at 5pm

[teal fractal]

play community servers lol

[uneven cape]

where do you see this

[uneven cape]

i mean its friday

[teal fractal]

bf tracker statistics

[teal fractal]

its like this everyday

usually late evening gets to 6-7k

weekends 8-9k max

esp after sales

[uneven cape]

it never gets to 12k on labour days

[teal fractal]

so

still a lot of players and servers

lol

[uneven cape]

its not like that everyday

[teal fractal]

per server is max 64 players

[teal fractal]

it is

regardless it could be 3k players and youd still have an insane amount of servers to choose from lol

as if 113 full servers is a small amount

if we are talking console then yes i agree

• North America
  13 servers
  543 players
  2 in queue
  0 spectators
• Europe
  17 servers
  444 players
  7 in queue
  0 spectators

console status (xbox)

but still 13/17 servers its not like youll never find a game

[sterile jolt]

I actually do, campaign would be nice

[teal fractal]

dawg no one really plays sp lol

[livid bay]

People did back in 4. And 1. And 5 somewhat

Though, I do admit that most only played 4’s campaign to unlock guns

[teal fractal]

because you got additional perks for finishing story modes and had achievements

if you took away campaign from bf3, 1, 4, 5 no one would care

also pretty certain older bf games didnt come with a campaign either

[livid bay]

I believe bc was the first. Could be wrong tho

[teal fractal]

ye

bc2 iirc

idk about 1

[livid bay]

BC2 is the one game that you really can’t take the campaign away

[teal fractal]

bf is based on mp not sp though it shouldnt effect it

[livid bay]

Cause the story was actually kinda interesting and it had decent characters

[sterile jolt]

Story is important in modern era games, I don't care about story in a WW1 or WW2 game but modern era fictional war games should give me a reason to care

[neon torrent]

If you get a player on battlefield 5 called MinatoGG he's a cheater. Headshotting with a tank

[teal fractal]

its a mp based game though

[livid bay]

Well yeah. But imo, if it doesn’t affect the quality of multiplayer, I’d rather have campaign than not.

But if it affects the quality of multiplayer, it shouldn’t be focused on

[sterile jolt]

So is CoD

[teal fractal]

and bf 5 stories were pretty bad

[sterile jolt]

Yet every CoD had a story besides BO4

[teal fractal]

fair

but cod actually makes good sp

[sterile jolt]

BF3's SP was good

[teal fractal]

bf 4 and 1 were okay

nothing exceptionally good

[sterile jolt]

Dima should've gotten more missions though

[teal fractal]

5 was slop mostly

idk i wouldnt waste effort into a mediocre story mode that no one will really care about

bf5 got insane amount of flak for it

[livid bay]

BF’s campaigns are always interesting cause they focus on random soldiers instead of high-tech teams of soldiers with personality (besides for 4 and hardline)

[teal fractal]

they werent very random

[livid bay]

Though, the lack of personality does hurt it a lot since there’s not a lot of characterization to latch onto

[teal fractal]

fictional yes

[teal fractal]

bf1s mainpoint wasnt the characters it was the era of ww1

to show what war is like

same in 5

with insipirations from actual people that existed and irl events

[sterile jolt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/q5CAXkBh3iY?si=Sukr3pwsRUPePgJn

Campaigns are important for youtube shorts and free advertisement too

[teal fractal]

you cant really feel very disconnected from it because theres parts that are quite true

[livid bay]

Yeah, that’s fair

[teal fractal]

thats why bf1 was magical because it pulled you into that eerie and cruel atmosphere

[livid bay]

Fr. Think about how much free advertising cod gets from everybody knowing soap, price, and ghost. And just all the lets plays of the campaign itself

[teal fractal]

but even then im pretty sure most people havent really played bf1 for the story

maybe finished but no one would buy it for just the story

[livid bay]

Well yeah. Nobody bought 5 for the battle royale either. It was just a neat addition

[jolly fog]

[granite wyvern]

Campaigns are just not my thing (and for me BF is primarily a MP game)

[livid bay]

Well yeah. Bf is a mp game. The campaign has always just been a nice addon

[jolly fog]

I like BF campaigns since it gives the game some substance. It's like learning about the history of your state, you feel more connected/immersed. At least I do

[urban canopy]

The only bf campaigns I finished were bf5 and bf4 I think. I played bf5 out of boredom and bf4 because ps servers were down at the time so I didn't have anything else to play.

[granite wyvern]

I just feel like in stuck on a train track playing solo mode

[jolly fog]

Yeah I feel that, I usually just get them over with in a day or 2 and move on to MP

[uneven cape]

ive seen plenty people say they liked bf1's and bfv's (only last tiger) sp campaigns

[teal fractal]

they are okay

Not exceptionally good

[teal fractal]

Pretty sure no one played it/plays it

Bf5 br was such a weird addition

But made sense at the time

??

[uneven cape]

DICE was like:
add more mp content and maps: ❌
add a huge br map for nobody to play it: ✅

[teal fractal]

For bf games thats true lol but any other game youre so wrong lol

[teal fractal]

Yes

[tropic vortex]

That's long gone and most of the devs are young dudes who were still toddlers back then and have absolutely no experience with fps games

[candid crown]

Can anyone smart enough brainstorm a solution to better counter-cheating in BF1? I was thinking about maybe give some trustworthy community members the ability to kick cheaters that are getting a lot of reports. But idk if that's too far sought

That sounds f*cking magnificent mate

So how do we get the devs to let community members to that? I've been a bit obsessed with fixing it and I brought that to the EA forum, only to see it removed in 2 mins (since they decide to have a fast reaction time on forum kicking instead of cheater-kicking ...)

Can we start a poll or anything like that

[livid bay]

If it was f2p it would’ve been a success. Locking it behind the full game was a mistake

[rich ember]

It's not that simple.

[teal fractal]

I doubt it

Br and bf just doesnt add up

They are completely seperate communities

A bf player will get bf for usual battefield gamemodes not battleroyales its like selling chocolate icecream to people that only buy mint icecream

[rich ember]

do it then. solve the entire problem of cheaters, go build the best anticheat ever if it's so easy.

shit's a massive industry, it's not as simple as you think it is.

Why aren't you just doing it if it's so easy though

Personally if something was really easy to do and would benefit a lot of people, i would just do it

But it's your problem as well, you also play shooters, right.

Like, you know what i think? I don't think you can do it. I think you're just chatting shit about how easy it is knowing full damn well you'll never actually back up your talk with actions.

Make me.

[cosmic portal]

It's not a "your" kinda problem. It's a effort kinda problem.

[rich ember]

yeah but this guy claims it's so easy their daughter can do it.

ehehehehehe

[cosmic portal]

Let me explain. Most modern shooters have telemetry and statistical information about bullet impact consistency and many other variables. It likely takes less than 60 seconds to determine who is sus and who is not just by looking at this information. Unfortunately, there's no one looking and the entire process is automated because costs. I imagine there's still a system of flagging in place like in CoD, but personal reviewers are probably rare and scarce to address the issue effectively. That said, in my region's games, most of the sus people either stopped playing or they've been caught because I've not seen them in a while.

[rich ember]

Yes, but still, making a decent anti-cheat is nowhere near easy, cheating is a massive industry, active effort and money is put into bypassing every anti-cheat solution that exists. it's a cat and mouse game, the entire thing.

[cosmic portal]

The best moderation, is self moderdation. Hence why people almost always want dedicated servers that they themselves can admin.

[rich ember]

Yes, but unfortunately, companies like DICE seem to be trying to move away from dedicated community hosted servers in favor of matchmaking on servers they host, which doesn't help the issue when they cannot possibly moderate all the servers they run at once.

[cosmic portal]

Portal does allow admins to kick and ban, thankfully.

[rich ember]

yeah but Portal is kind of trash so

[cosmic portal]

Portal is not trash. It's literally the best thing about 2042.

[rich ember]

It's a concept wasted on this community, I feel.

[cosmic portal]

I disagree. The concept is good, just like the plus system. What was wasted, was the foundations itself. If 2042 launched in the state which the game currently is in, things would be different, very different.

[rich ember]

i mean the state the game is currently in, mouse input is still broken on PC, so

[cosmic portal]

For me it was fixed a few updates ago, including the ADS bugs. What they didn't fix was the high CPU usage.

[rich ember]

plus most of what people do with Portal is make stupid ass one shot kill gamemodes in an attempt to seem realistic and tactical, or bot farming lobbies, or stuffing 128 players into Rush for some reason, because people just love it when there's too many people on a small map and the game doesn't even function properly

[rich ember]

It wasn't. the issue with the mouse input is an engine level issue, they were not able to fix it.

this was confirmed by the developers.

[cosmic portal]

Not in my region. In my region you either play Portal, which hosts an indentical All out Warfare server, or you don't play at all because there's no server browser outside of Portal.

[cosmic portal]

I think it only affected specfic people. I wasn't among the affected, thankfully.

[rich ember]

no it's an engine level issue, it effects literally everyone that uses a mouse to aim in this game. it was a matter of if you noticed it or not, but it was there regardless.

a consequence of rushing the game's development.

[cosmic portal]

Never noticed it. Is it like a latency issue?

What does the issue do?

[rich ember]

How much you turn when you move your mouse is not consistent at any given time. Sometimes it just slows down for no reason, resulting in mouse movement that feels like you're moving it through quicksand.

it's like Raw Input is being ignored for some reason.

Like i said, it's an engine level issue. DICE has never fixed it, and they're not going to for this game.

[urban lark]

Bait?

[tropic vortex]

You're funny bud

[granite wyvern]

And you my 2042 loving nutter friend are hilarious

[tropic vortex]

I know bfv is boring but you have nothing better to do?

[granite wyvern]

You post more than me 😎

[tropic vortex]

I don't ping for no reason though

[granite wyvern]

You mean reply to the person whose post you are referring to. It’s how this works (better than those who don’t reply and people are trying to work out who they are talking to - this is pretty basic stuff).

[tropic vortex]

Not at all, you clearly pinged me for no reason and now want to start an irrelevant argument with me

Now that's hilarious, good day to ya bud

Now want to talk about IQ, amazing

What's next?

[granite wyvern]

Post on here expect to get responses or get out

[tropic vortex]

I don't have time for your thirst of attention bud

Stop with the random ping, thanks

[granite wyvern]

Who are you talking to?

[chilly flax]

anyone playing FNB?

[sterile jolt]

Yeah CoD and BR adds up so nicely lol

Warzone is a success because it was F2P

Firestorm could've been a success if it was F2P

Blackout was a also a failure on par with Firestorm

Because it was a paid BR

[sterile jolt]

Mouse input issue effects me on certain weapons

And certain mods

MP9 for example becomes unusable after few kills on portal

I thought you wanted BF to become a milisim game

[uneven cape]

mfw bfv medic is a better assault class than the actual assault class

console server?

console servers js more fun for shooters man cuz everybody doesnt know how to aim

pc is full of sweats

[sterile jolt]

It is, BFV's class balance is worse than 2042 funnily despite 2042 originally not having classes

Damn.. You play good

[uneven cape]

also support class is just assault 2.0

you barely see any support stay on the back of the fight and just blast with his lmg they always rush

im more of a KE7 guy

type 11 on business days

mp40/type 100

and dont forget the goat zk 383

i thought all weapons were unlocked from the beginning

dunno

[sterile jolt]

I like Suomi and Welgun for medic

FG42 and Bren for support

People sleep on Welgun despite it's insane hipfire accuracy

[uneven cape]

no

isnt it weird that support is the one that has shotguns in bfv

i think its more suitable for assault

[tight rain]

Cringe you can’t slam fire

[granite wyvern]

Doesn’t know how to aim or more skill based? The best console players have settings (such as sensitivity) maxed out and react amazingly quick compared to the average player.

[plucky spruce]

aim

[granite wyvern]

80 sensitivity normal?

The default setting is less than 50

[plucky spruce]

its fun :)

isnt strict weapon-class assignment more a bf1 invention?

[granite wyvern]

Why did you say Normal then?

Gotha

Yep

You got music, announcer and effects switched off?

Do it

[uneven cape]

yeah

[uneven cape]

maybe, been playing bf1 for a while so im used to that

[sterile jolt]

No

[verbal bone]

Is PS BF4 DLC still active or naw

Thinking of eventually giving that game another shot whenever the premium pass goes on sale

[umbral current]

Last time I played, there was one conquest server with all the dlcs on rotation

[teal fractal]

Dont think anyone really slept on it tbh

Its known to be one of the better medic guns, just slow ttk compared to many others

[dim frigate]

türk varmı la

[solid hinge]

guys is it worth it to buy bf1 revolution/bf4/bf5 , i already have 2042 and i want to experience other games

[kindred sail]

it's worth it

imo you should use the EA play subscription for 3.99 and test before buying

all I can say regarding bf4 is that you'll have a hard time there probably 🙂

try them out and see which one to buy, if you ask me bf 1 is the best atm, then bf v, bf 4 and last 2042

also I'd wait for the next sale happening should come soon, Christmas one just ended

wait until you can buy them for 3-4$ on EA play, I'd avoid getting it on steam since forums get flooded with posts about steam issues

[teal fractal]

Hard time on any older bf game

[kindred sail]

locker and golmud 24/7 probably and people playing for almost 12 years lol

[teal fractal]

Ye

Bf1 will be 9 years old this year

[kindred sail]

Haven't touched bf 4 since bf 1 came out

[teal fractal]

Insane

[kindred sail]

but the stories I hear, oh dear

ah and the badmins...

[teal fractal]

Idk hasnt changed much tbh

[kindred sail]

are the server numbers still bloated ?

[teal fractal]

The more known and popular servers are completely fine

[teal fractal]

Only for seeding ye

[kindred sail]

since I still use battlelog for bf 3, I checked bf 4 numbers and there was quite a list, but didn't install the game to see the actual player numbers

[teal fractal]

Theres a good handfull of full servers

Cq, rush mostly

Then some modded servers, fast vehicle spawn 2x tickets etc

Bf4 is nice to play if you get bored of 1

[kindred sail]

I cycle with bf v and 2042 once a week each for the weekly missions, have to say can't get enough of bf 1

[teal fractal]

Ye fair

[kindred sail]

when the operation campaign is out I'll jump back in on 1

[teal fractal]

I got pretty bored of bf1

[kindred sail]

playing it since release ?

[teal fractal]

Battlefield ingeneral tbh

[teal fractal]

Nah like 2019

[kindred sail]

well I'm rocking red dead redemption 1 atm on pc, never played it on console since I never had one

then I'll go for ac mirage

[teal fractal]

I plan on getting it too

Retired bf1 playing more chillaxed games now

Finished gow and cybperpunk pretty recently

South park games etc

[kindred sail]

bf 1 is relaxed compared to league

used to play league back in the day, that game man, that game...

[teal fractal]

Community is pretty cancer if youre good at the game

Everyone trying to measure against you, argue in chat, trash talk you ive had a squad full of people come to ruin my game, i often play against strong stacks alone etc etc

Its just feels more like a job to play it

[kindred sail]

Have to say I don't get the same feeling

but I play ops only

as for the arguing , yeah it's as old as the world

funny thing is every game someone says ''EZ" although they went 1-12 and are lvl 20

[teal fractal]

No one really cares in ops i noticed lol

Im a 4-5kpm player i get constant flack in cq and fl servers

[kindred sail]

lol

people take bf 1 too seriously

[teal fractal]

Always something to whine about

Ive alr been banned from like 4 servers aswell

[kindred sail]

bf was never a competitive game, it's about the sandbox experience and doing stuff you can't do in other competitive shooters

[teal fractal]

Like 3 ops servers and bob servers

But bob bans anyone

[teal fractal]

Bf does have a comp playerbase since bf2 though

But ye its meant to be casual

[kindred sail]

I've never been banned but kicked from asian servers, for offensive actions, guess killing the admin

[teal fractal]

even HLL has a comp playerbase

[kindred sail]

yeah they do, but at its core it's not about that

[teal fractal]

So many casual games that are unironically comp asf

[teal fractal]

Ye

I remember bf4 having a pretty insane comp scene

[kindred sail]

nowadays competitive games are not fun, cheaters roam freely, back in the day it was way better, also when LAN only existed

[kindred sail]

that is when it started, but the engine isn't meant for that imo, in all bf games I've had hit issue even when the crosshair and mouse were not moving

[teal fractal]

Depends on games, fighter games are in a pretty good place imo just shooters that are quite iffy

Racing games are pretty alright too

/sims

[signal niche]

Command not found

sims is not a valid command.

Use the help command to see the list of all commands.

[kindred sail]

well shooters are the most popular and easiest to play

[teal fractal]

Ye bf1 is pretty buggy

I remember when there was a hosted event on comp ops mode

To test it

Server crashed like 5 times

[kindred sail]

lol

[teal fractal]

Or random restarts

But tbh i think BoB restarted it they have always been a shady clan

[kindred sail]

random restarts are either cause by dice rebooting the server

or hacker crashing it

I play on official mostly

[teal fractal]

Ye hacker crashes are pretty rare

[kindred sail]

rarely on custom servers

[teal fractal]

Ive never seen a hacker crash a server in bf1 so far

[kindred sail]

He kind of stopped for like a year ago, and it was smostly in ops

[teal fractal]

I cant play officials its too braindead for me

I feel like im losing my mind on them

[kindred sail]

lol

imo no big difference at all

[teal fractal]

Mortar trucks, people sitting on mortarts the entire game, lvl 3 scout plebs in x spots

[kindred sail]

ah the famous mortar trucks

[teal fractal]

Community servers have banned more cancer gadgets, weapons and vehicles makes it more playable

[kindred sail]

only time I really hate them is on ops while attacking

[teal fractal]

Better players aswell

[kindred sail]

they can cripple a whole wave

[teal fractal]

Idk it just slows down the game so much

[kindred sail]

maybe depends on region and time, when I played, I found it more f rustrating tbh

switch, for auto, then kick for using x, y, z

[teal fractal]

Time matters a lot

[kindred sail]

no this no that

[teal fractal]

Early bf1 lobbies are the most horrendous

[kindred sail]

and the you have been kicked for allowing an admin to join

[teal fractal]

Filled with high pingers, no one playing so no one balancing servers

Everyone play with 3iq

[teal fractal]

Thats VIP join meaning its someone who paid for vip access to skip que or they have ingame admin

Youre pretty unfortunate if you get it

[kindred sail]

well truth is there are a lot of new players, last times I played you could predict with 99% accuracy who would win

[teal fractal]

Ye bf1 players were a lot better back then most good players quit

[kindred sail]

I wouldn't have cared much, but since it was the ops campaign I had to get back in and be at the end to get the 25k

[teal fractal]

Ye

[kindred sail]

imo what matters most is how many friends you play with in voip, that will give you a really big advantage

2-3 guys that hate your tank, will hunt you hard

[teal fractal]

Never heard anyone use voip

[kindred sail]

I mean friends using comms

but I played a match on conquer hell, after capping first sector, 2-3 guys kept me in spawn basically

one guy was pilot his friend was jumping over my tank as assault and going ham

the plane was a tank hunter

[teal fractal]

Ye its fun

[kindred sail]

couldn't convince my team to grab burton and kill it

[teal fractal]

Community servers usually have pretty active vcs if youre into that

[kindred sail]

team couldn't understand that tanks got blown up the moment they spawned

[kindred sail]

I know, but I play like 99% solo

[teal fractal]

Same

[kindred sail]

have to say that only happened like 1-2 twice

also I'd wish they'd update the exchange more often

[teal fractal]

Rarely anything good anyway on exchange

[junior torrent]

This is why. I stopped playing battlelog servers

And stick to custom made clients

[kindred sail]

this happens in bf 1 when you are in a custom server, no battlelog there

[compact yoke]

PS5 Battlefield V North American Conquest player looking for a platoon. 2.3 KD and 710 SPM player

[vale grail]

I'm trying to start a BF1 turning tides US E conquest server number #24709429. Anyone want to help my guys and I revive it?

[junior torrent]

Same thing

[wicked tulip]

Where is AKA-ART?

Tell me

Find him

Bring him to me

[rich ember]

why?

If it's been months and you can't find him, then maybe you should just give up.

[kindred sail]

he quit after 2042 release from what I know

[rich ember]

They know.

We've told them.

This is not the first time they've shown up here asking where AKA-ART is.

What they fail to understand is that he probably doesn't want to be bothered by some Battlefield rando.

[kindred sail]

it's funny though since his last video is from 3 years ago, around the time 2042 dropped

[kind glen]

good lord transformers headmasters is awful

it's supposed to be a direct sequel to the original

they kill off like all the originals except galvatron

and then galvatron at the end hatched a scheme to make himself into unicron

except 10000 times worse

[chilly flax]

Kinda enjoying bf4 right now

[kindred sail]

console or PC and did you start playing or just an old player returning to it?

[clear venture]

Still have nightmares of the Nade’s in locker

[chilly flax]

console, im an old player but never got so much into bf4

[cosmic portal]

You mean dreams.

[kindred sail]

I see, well I played it back in the day but stopped completely when BF 1 came out, only came back during pandemic for the DICE LA skin and normal DICE skin

[clear venture]

If dice could just make battlefield 6 a combination of the best parts of bad company 2, bf3 and bf4 nobody would complain. ITS NOT THAT HARD!😔

[rich ember]

None of the devs that worked on the recent BF games worked on any of those, and they don't even know why people liked BC2.

[urban lark]

Do they just say they don’t know why people liked it or do they somehow genuinely not know?

[urban canopy]

I don't understand why they say they don't understand. It's gotta be the goofy tone, infantry focused combat, 32 players max, only transport helis as aerial vehicles and not being able to go prone.

[rich ember]

Not having prone at all is a based choice, I remember reading something where someone asked why they did that, and they said they did that to promote more active gameplay

[clear venture]

I'll gladly trade not having prone so we don't have stupid specialists going forward.

[urban lark]

Prone is just kinda there cause like, of course humans can crawl around

I mean prone can be objectively useful if you wanna move around and stay concealed but eh

[clear venture]

lol prone is a good thing, but in Bad Company 2 I don't even remember the lack of it being an issue. Game did come out like 15 years ago though

[sterile jolt]

Not having prone would work fine if nuDICE can make good maps

I don't trust them to make good maps so prone is essential

[urban lark]

Agreed. I think it’s good. I never played BC2 so I’m not gonna say it’s exclusion was bad for the game but ye I prolly wouldn’t want them to remove it

I’m just going to say that my hot take is sometimes sedentary, camping or positioning play styles need to be accommodated as well. Constant moving and verticality in games is exhausting, imo

[sterile jolt]

Verticality is especially bad in 2042

Every map has a giant power position with huge verticality, and everyone fights for it

[clear venture]

You don't like 30 snipers on top of building not playing objectives?

[sterile jolt]

Remove snipers from the game lmao

Give them a marksman rifle and/or an SMG

[rich ember]

okay but like

unironically.

Sniping is a niche role. it doesn't fit Battlefield.

[sterile jolt]

I'm kidding, sniping should stay

[rich ember]

i'm not

[sterile jolt]

Most people use it as a crutch because they don't know the maps though

I do that too whenever I play a map I'm not familiar with

[clear venture]

I do wish there was the option for custom game modes where snipers were limited kind of like hell let loose or something...maybe like 4 per team or something

[sterile jolt]

Only weapon type I would want to remove would be shotguns

[urban lark]

I think snipers should stay as well because I generally believe an fps game shouldn’t randomly exclude an entire type of firearm

[rich ember]

it's not random.

[clear venture]

not an fps game like battlefield where its more arcadey

[urban lark]

Shotguns, rifles, pistols, etc all serve their own purposes so there’s use cases for everything

I mean yeah snipers are annoying but they’re at the bottom of the leaderboards 9/10 times

[sterile jolt]

I dislike shotguns because they are either trash or extremely OP

No inbetween

[rich ember]

Sniper Rifles fill a niche that does not exist irl. You're not taking out a high ranking officer from miles away, because nobody is a high ranking officer and they always respawn anyway. They just promote shit gameplay, camping and generally being useless.

[urban lark]

They can still be used for engaging enemies at superior distances

[clear venture]

Let's be serious....sniping can be fun sometimes lol

[urban lark]

Indeed

Sniper rifles also just look sexy

[rich ember]

Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts/Sniper Elite exists.

[clear venture]

haha I get it.

[sterile jolt]

Even CoD has snipers in maps that consists of 2 corridors, BF should have snipers

[rich ember]

i don't think the capability alone justifies their existence.

[rich ember]

counterpoint: CoD shouldn't have snipers either.

[sterile jolt]

I actually agree

With that

They should also remove shotguns though

[clear venture]

I think SMG's are the bigger issue in COD to be honest

[rich ember]

Yes.

[sterile jolt]

SMGs aren't that much of an issue, in CoD they are just better ARs

But all the CoD games had SMG centric metas

It's nothing new

[urban lark]

I think the capability alone justifies their existence because again we’re talking about CoD and BF which are simply arcade gun games, there’s maps in CoD and BF that promote/encourage different weapons which I think is ok

[rich ember]

i'd argue it's more AR/shotgun centric

[dim canopy]

remove sniper and remove shotgun bro what remained then

[urban lark]

Like lets be for real people ain’t playing an fps game that doesn’t have shotguns or snipers lol

[dim canopy]

why people hate fun

[sterile jolt]

• Pistols
• ARs
• SMGs
• Marksman rifles
• Tactical
• LMGs

[urban lark]

That sounds like purgatory

[clear venture]

knives only

[dim canopy]

yep no variety

[urban lark]

Even if some guns have more niche use cases than others they’re still going to excel at that use case if say I’m playing a map that’s more close quarters or bigger and spaced out

[dim canopy]

i use snipers and shotguns and every other weapons

[rich ember]

There's maps in CoD and BF that promote/encourage different weapons

yet people use the same guns on every map.

[urban lark]

Idk I play MW23 and say for example wasteland is very DMR/sniper dominated

[dim canopy]

but yes removing snipers and shotguns is such a dumb idea

🤣

[urban lark]

But yes meta players are boring

[clear venture]

I don't want snipers removed, be nice if custom servers could limit the amount of them though...

[urban lark]

Snipers and shotgun rushers are certainly annoying but I look at it from a principle standpoint

Why would I play an arcade gun game with no guns

[clear venture]

You're not wrong. It's battlefield, not ARMA. The game is designed for casuals

[rich ember]

I mean, if the gunplay is decent, the amount of guns shouldn't matter that much.

[dim canopy]

man it feels like people who die by those weapons just want it to get removed

i like weapon variety

[urban lark]

I would prefer variety in weapons even if theres only a few standout unique ones just cause maybe I wanna use the sig spear or a cz805

[sterile jolt]

I don't like shotguns Bring back geneva convention

[supple raptor]

Guys, how can ı turn off that Internet indicator

[urban lark]

Like you could technically just have the M4, AK47, and maybe a couple other weapons with their own unique cartridge then boom yes you technically don’t need any more guns especially since many semi auto rifles are 5.56 so they’d be the exact same as the M4 anyways but hey, you get more guns to level up and use and customize

[dim canopy]

shields are difficult to deal with but if they can make shield health bar that destroys the shield after 1-2 round of mag i dont know how good this idea is

[supple raptor]

İn bf 1

[sterile jolt]

Shields shouldn't exist

[urban lark]

I do not personally like riot shields existence but it would make more sense if riot shields could be destroyed after a certain amount of bullets cause like

[rich ember]

Easy solution to balancing shields in a PVP FPS game: don't have shields in your PVP FPS game.

[urban lark]

Cod ignores what the kinetic energy of several rifle caliber bullets hitting a shield that’s deflecting them would actually feel like

I know that’s based on realism but it also makes sense in general

[clear venture]

battlefield 4 had like 107 different weapons.....2042 has like 30

[dim canopy]

yeah like when in shield mode they cant shoot and sheild should be destroyed after 1-2 mag

[rich ember]

like, there are exactly two games where a riot shield makes sense

[urban lark]

What if using shields also only allowed you to use pistols

[rich ember]

SWAT 4 and Ready or Not

because those are games where you play as SWAT.

Where riot shields would actually be used.

[dim canopy]

pistol but with no crosshair

[rich ember]

There is no other situation where that would make sense.

[urban lark]

Yep and even though many of them perform the same I mean, more guns in general, cause why not

[sterile jolt]

Shields were a balancing mess in Siege since they came out too

Shotguns were suprisingly balanced though

[dim canopy]

the more the better as if they have balanced the games when it has less weapons

so why not have more weapons

and more attachments

[clear venture]

One of my biggest complaints about 2042 is they have all these great old guns from bf3 and bc2....and they only ported over like 13 of them and it took them years. Insane

[urban lark]

Yeah exactly

[rich ember]

tbh, the next BF game should have like, A regular ass steel and wood AKM.

[urban lark]

They still screw balance up regardless. I don’t want them to use, “well, that’s niche” or “well, that just uses the same chamber as this anyways” to give us even less content

And then still have 1 meta gun because it’s funny how both in games and irl the ordinary 5.56 m4 is always peak

[urban lark]

Portal would have been interesting if it were perhaps its own installment to the franchise

[clear venture]

When they announced portal people loved the idea and thought it would be amazing...then we got the half assed product that it was

[urban lark]

And then it got killed like

Half a year into release to focus on aow lol

[sterile jolt]

Disagreed

[sterile jolt]

Both best CoDs and best BFs gave you like 2 attachment options for a good reason

[rich ember]

I mean, the community killed it when they flooded it with low effort garbage

[dim canopy]

you can disagree but it is what i want in the next game

[urban lark]

They were the best cause they got actual content support and were immuhsiv

[dim canopy]

mw19 is also one of the most popular one and its gunsmith many many people love

[sterile jolt]

MW19 is the best nuCoD according to many and it still pales in comparison to old CoDs

[rich ember]

I mean, MW19 is still not good

[clear venture]

I don't really like delta force much, but it's gunsmith is pretty good too

[urban lark]

I would rather die than go back to pick 10 or 2 attachments system

[rich ember]

But it's the best nuCoD game.

[dim canopy]

oh i am loving df 😂

new maps coming

[sterile jolt]

BO3 currently has more players on Steam than MW19

[urban lark]

Give me my CUSTOMIZASHUN

[rich ember]

I'm a supporter of having attachments be a cosmetic choice.

Fuck having stats on all these things.

[clear venture]

lol it's okay I guess, I just really hate the specialist type stuff. I just want the old class system

[urban lark]

Old class system and default oper8rs

[dim canopy]

tbh i never disliked idea of specialist or 128 players in 2042

[urban lark]

Peak game design

[dim canopy]

i like that stuff

and freedom of choosing any gun

i know people dislike that

[clear venture]

128 is fine if the maps are good....key word being GOOD

[rich ember]

Nah, i think 128 is not good.

[clear venture]

You would keep it at 64?

[rich ember]

Yes.

[urban lark]

It’s just MW22 that does it too aggressively. It generally makes sense that a gun will take longer for ads/sprint to fire if you load it with attachments, even if they seem beamy, they’re useless in cqb for example

Although I’d argue that spread or just higher recoil in general is also necessary

[clear venture]

Didn't they announce bf6 will be 64 player recently?

[rich ember]

Yes.

[sterile jolt]

Attachments homogenizes weapons, no one uses niche weapons in games with gunsmith

[dim canopy]

it will require more time and effort to make a 128 player map because it is already very difficult ot make maps for 64

[rich ember]

Except for when they do

[urban lark]

I do not believe that metas should dictate how much content is in a game

It’s unfortunate that some people don’t take advantage of the customization for fun and instead focus on “MAX ACCURACY LOW ADS BUILD 2025” but still

[dim canopy]

[dim canopy]

well said

[clear venture]

maybe it's just me, but I've always liked using the less popular guns more. Feels more rewarding when you dominate with the "shitty gun" lol

[sterile jolt]

That’s all the nuCoD content on youtube since MW19

[urban lark]

Same

[sterile jolt]

Attachments aren’t content though

I shouldn’t be able to give 30 different stocks to same gun

It’s not only extremely unrealistic it also homogenizes weapon selection

[dim canopy]

it does not

[sterile jolt]

No reason to use weapons based on their innate strengths and weaknesses

When you can just make a best weapon build

[dim canopy]

as if people were not playing with aek and smg18 in older bf games

[urban lark]

True

That bf4 aek was hell incarnate with almost no customization

[sterile jolt]

List of people who played with P90 in CoD since MW19:

No reason to use P90 when every gun can have 50 round mags

[urban lark]

Nobody really uses drums on smgs at least in my personal experience

[dim canopy]

not every gun has 50 round mag in mw19

🤣

[urban lark]

I don’t think people use drums in fps in general unless it’s the sfar in 2042

[sterile jolt]

Every gun has 50 round drum on BO6

[rich ember]

Lots of people ran the P90 in MW19, tf you mean?

[dim canopy]

yeah people wants ads speed so they dont add those

[sterile jolt]

2042 isn’t any good either

[rich ember]

No it isn't

[dim canopy]

i play the game i dont see drum mags in evry gun

[rich ember]

We know this

[clear venture]

i like the idea of more attachments to make your gun fit your playstyle, but i can also see the argument that in the end the majority of players just end up using the same set of meta attachments making most of the attachments useless for the majority of players.

[sterile jolt]

Not only that they also use the same weapons

[dim canopy]

same weapons like aek in bf4

[urban lark]

It’s not a majority of players, at least I don’t believe it is. I think players should want to maximize their performance in every way possible are actually a minority

[dim canopy]

or smg 18 in bfi

[sterile jolt]

Supposedly muh own weapon that’s the same with whatever build youtubers told them to run

[urban lark]

Like for example look at your cousin or non-super comp friends loadouts in an fps game

[dim canopy]

less attachments or more attachments people will use the guns that is good at killing

[urban lark]

They’ll use some real wacky looking stuff at times lol

Hell just pick up random dead players guns

[sterile jolt]

Yes but less attachments leads to more experimentation

[dim canopy]

in df i see weird custom build all the time

[dim canopy]

not at all

it just removes the options

and less experimentation

[sterile jolt]

I would never use GPR in BO6 if I wasn’t going for dark matter

[dim canopy]

because there is nothing to add

what remains to do experimentation

😂

[sterile jolt]

How many DF weapons have you used?

It has like 50 weapons

Have you played with all of them or played with same 3-4 weapons?

[dim canopy]

i play the gun that i recently unlock

[sterile jolt]

Good

[dim canopy]

try to do good with it even when i am dying

[urban lark]

I forgot to mention this but there’s also a simple psychology behind more guns and more stuff to unlock being more engaging for players

[sterile jolt]

Most people don’t because it’s useless without attachments

[dim canopy]

i dont think so people like to grind the game so they will be using the gun so they can level up

[sterile jolt]

Like I said I wouldn’t play with 80% of the weapons in BO6 if I wasn’t going for dark matter

[dim canopy]

i cant settle with less so i want more options

this is my stance

and i am sticking with it

[sterile jolt]

No attachment weapons are crap in games with gunsmithing

And they take a lot of time to fully unlock all the attachments

[clear venture]

I feel like in 2025 no casual fps is releasing without a gunsmith at this point.

[dim canopy]

thats your opinion and i am glad not everyone shares that same opinion some like shares my opinion some settle with less like you do

[sterile jolt]

Marvel Rivals

[urban lark]

TBF

[sterile jolt]

It’s TPS but still

[urban lark]

This is also because BLOPS6 doesn’t have interesting content anyways

Like it’s literally just diet mw

MW23 for example had crossbows, karambits, the 2042 svk (idk its real name), and even an STG44 cuz….. why not

[dim canopy]

so many

[clear venture]

but muh Omnimovement!

[sterile jolt]

Funny how those weapons were first introduced in BO1

[dim canopy]

and also so many attachments but it is sad that they did 10 attachments in wwii game but not in modern warfare iii

[sterile jolt]

Sledgehammer didn’t gave a shit about Vanguard

[dim canopy]

best part

[sterile jolt]

They cared more about MWIII than Vanguard funnily

[clear venture]

vanguard is the he should not be named....

[urban lark]

What’s Vanguard

[sterile jolt]

Why do you have the worst takes I’ve ever seen in here

WW2 games should have no attachments besides maybe scopes(even that’s a stretch for 80% of the weapons)

[urban lark]

No customization makes sense if it’s ww1/2

Like I’m totally fine without it in those eras

[sterile jolt]

Omnimovement also sucks, dolphin diving is basically a respawn button

[rich ember]

Because that's his schtick. He says shit to annoy people.

[urban lark]

But if it’s modern, the age of picatinny rails on EVERYTHING, I wanna actually be able to utilize that for customization

[dim canopy]

i also disagree with your opinion but we can be like respectful and have an discussion on what we want in next battlefield

[dim canopy]

bro dont start it again

[sterile jolt]

I’m just saying bro

[dim canopy]

i have not said anything to you

[rich ember]

I'm just telling him what's up.

[dim canopy]

yeah but dont talk like that dont start it

[rich ember]

I'm telling him what's up, why do you have a problem with it?

[dim canopy]

when i am not saying anything negative to you dont do it with me

[rich ember]

Cause he did ask

Like

He did ask about it. So i'm telling him

[dim canopy]

he didnt ask that to you

[urban lark]

No offense to anyone but can we just respectfully agree to disagree and not cause what happened in gen the other night again

[dim canopy]

but i did not disrespect you so dont do it to me

[clear venture]

LET THEM FIGHT -_-

[rich ember]

I didn't say anything to you till you started talking to me

[dim canopy]

i am not saying anything negative about you in this chat

[rich ember]

Would be cool if you minded your own business

[sterile jolt]

Agreed

[dim canopy]

you said this Because that's his schtick. He says shit to annoy people.

[rich ember]

I did say that. But i didn't say that to you.

[dim canopy]

yeah but it is about me

[rich ember]

I didn't say anything to you till you started talking to me.

Just stop talking to me. It's not that hard.

[dim canopy]

you are talking about me in negativer manner when i have not said anything disrespectful towards you

[dim canopy]

i was not

[clear venture]

Hug and make up