battlefield-legacy-titles

[upper berry]

[river linden]

I been put through a lot because my family did some messed up stuff, but I make due bro

[upper berry]

O abt sleep. Yea same here

You know how people get tired and fall asleep like a normal human would do.

I will yawn but not tired. But my body have to past out of no where lying down. And I normally wake up as I time traveled through hrs. I feel like I woke up after 5 mins and I’m awake. Even tho it’s 2-4hrs later.

I don’t even feel tried anymore when I wake up

[river linden]

it takes me an hour to wake up and roll outta bed bro, it sucks as I used to be able to get up and just get the day going full sprint

[upper berry]

That’s me on my day off to try to get more sleep.

[river linden]

as of late I been tryin to lose weight and been on a rampage with it tho, so once I get back to the gym I should be under 220 in a heartbeat

one meal a day with just like 4 thousand steps or so and I dropped from 340 to below 300 in a month and a half. I feel amazing and I need to get to a gym soon

[upper berry]

If I sleep at 2000. I wake up 2-3 times before I have to get up for work at 0600. I even tried to stay up for 2-3 days. I still get 2-4hrs maybe 6 hrs at most. And I’m wide awake to pull another 2-3 days in a row if I wanted to.

I haven’t drunk any caffeine or anything like that in almost 4-6 months now. Even then. Caffeine is like water to me

[upper berry]

Sheesh. Thats awesome 👏

[sterile jolt]

Your ammo needs to be 5 and it's multiples, that's how you can perform it, so you need to waste like 3 rounds if you have 18 rounds and want to top up, wish we could do it for empty reloads too after unlocking that specilization, or even better just make it a basic part of the weapon just like BF1's Perino

[frigid veldt]

Posted

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𝕏 | 🎬1 · Oct 21, 2024, 12:53 AM

▻

[sterile jolt]

Titanfall failed because it was too fast for casual players, at least for it's time. You can't expect to have a shooter with deep movement mechanics and expect it to sit well with casual audiences, especially in a game with no SBMM. I dunno what or how it happened but after MW reboots casual players became more open minded to movement though. People were asking for boots on the ground, slow gameplay of older CoD games after futuristic saga and when people got that boots were in the air more than ever. CoD can get away with somewhat complex movement simply because it has SBMM though. You can't expect to put casual players and bunny hop gods in the same match and expect that game to be successful though. Bunny hop gods will decimate 90% of the players and most of them will just leave the game. That's why Apex succeeded and Titanfall failed because Apex is essentially Titanfall without parkour and titans. If Respawn makes a TF3, it will be a competitive game not a casual one.

[upper berry]

TF3 have nothing to do with SBMM or cod

EA essentially wanted the BR/extraction Royale route instead. That’s why Apex was made

[upper berry]

TF2 or 1 wasn’t even focused on competitiveness of the game. It was how the game developed to be.

That’s why the next battlefield is getting a BR/Extraction as well. BFV had firestorm, 2042 had hazard zone.

[sterile jolt]

Nah, but it's mechanics are competitive, so many people loves BF1 more than any other BF, why? Because it's far more casual than them in terms of gameplay for example.

[sterile jolt]

I hope it's gauntlet(finals)

[upper berry]

People played it competitively don’t mean it’s a competitive game

[thick seal]

tf1/tf2 just dont play well on console compared to apex/cod/battlefield

[sterile jolt]

It's a casual game with competitive systems

That's why it's failed

[upper berry]

No that’s not why it failed

[sterile jolt]

I played TF1 on console and PC, it was fine, I even preferred gamepad on PC due to that

[upper berry]

TF2 was launch at a terrible time. TF3 didn’t get made because it was that much different from TF2 basically.

[thick seal]

imo when you make a console game fast and vertical its unlikely to pop off with the casuals

[sterile jolt]

Never tried 2 on console though

[sterile jolt]

You are aware Respawn cancelled TF3 and not EA right?

[upper berry]

Yes I know this

I been knowing this for a hot min

And people still blame EA to this day for it

Even tho respawn canceled the project without EA knowing and decided to make Apex instead to present to EA

[sterile jolt]

And Apex is TF without movement, verticality and titans

[upper berry]

Apex have the same movement as TF. It’s set in TF universe. Without jetpacks and titans. Movement is no different tbh

[sterile jolt]

You don't have TF's bunny hops, wallruns or physics based grapple, I haven't played Apex since launch but I think robot operator's grapple was more ''stiff'' unlike TF2's grapple which made you feel like Spider Man

I might be wrong on grapple part though

[thick seal]

pathfinder grapple had a ton of mechanics

very controllable

[upper berry]

O no. Some things isn’t in apex so it’s a huge difference. What can people do

[sterile jolt]

What I mean is that

Titanfall turned out to be a giga success when they took out Titan and Fall part 🤣

Apex is significantly slower

[upper berry]

It’s not that huge to the movement. Especially of how different the games are designed to be

If apex had all of those things. It will have major balancing issues

Also a game aka apex being set in TF universe don’t need everything from TF game itself. It’s the theme and how the game is played. The basic movement is the style and the art style/graphics/designs/assets define Titanfall universe. With the characters/story behind it. Even the bio of the characters alone.

Apex is gonna played alot differently because it revolves around BR style for the game. Not revolving around Titans unlike TF1/2 is

All the basic mechanics is still there with the base movement from TF1/2. it’s all about the basic fundamentals

[halcyon sundial]

All those people at Respawn who shelved TF3 for Apex are going to burn in hell, trust that.

[rich ember]

that's a bit extreme innit.

[halcyon sundial]

not really

[rich ember]

i think it is

[halcyon sundial]

who asked you tho?

[rich ember]

nobody. not that i need your permission to give an opinion, regardless.

[halcyon sundial]

if it offends you then it is a personal problem for you and i wish you godspeed on resolving it.

[rich ember]

i would say it offends me, i just think it's weird.

like damn, the people at respawn exist beyond making video games dude, just because they aren't making what you want doesn't mean they deserve to go to hell.

[thick seal]

they should burn in hell because they didnt make a third game in a failing franchise

[halcyon sundial]

discord the melodrama

[rich ember]

they didn't make the video game i wanted, they literally deserve eternal damnation after they die for that single reason alone

[halcyon sundial]

someone types something hyperbolic and we have to overanalyze it. touch grass today.

[thick seal]

its amazing a second game even got made

[rich ember]

weirdo.

[halcyon sundial]

tf2 i thought was great

[rich ember]

it was.

[halcyon sundial]

apex is cheeks

[rich ember]

but it got fucked up in terms of advertising. EA did not give it the best chance of success. That's how it is.

[thick seal]

supposedly respawn picked the release date themselves

[halcyon sundial]

tf1 also suffered from its link to the pr disaster of the launch of the xbox one

tf was always behind from that point

many people wouldnt give tf2 a chance

[river linden]

I too enjoy Team Fortress defense fort team shooter gaem 2 one of the all time classics

[halcyon sundial]

oh i love tf2 as well but i was referencing Titanfall 2 here haha

[river linden]

oh I know, I like that TF2 also, just not really my thing. too fast for me

I vibed well with apex leg ends tho, pathfinder my beloved and his original hitbox man looked like tombstone from spiderman game

[halcyon sundial]

my blood is 90% Monster Energy and Red Bulls so it felt slow to me lol jks

[river linden]

I mean I like to think I have alright aim reaction but even I struggled in TF2. but in TF2 I am an alright demo man and have decent aim as pyro with his dragons fury

never got the hang of blast jumps tho, still need to learn them

also I didn't realize I could play BF3, forgot I had EA play am kinda dumb bro

[naive grail]

Hi all, does anyone know of a battlefield v ps4 oceanic discord? Can’t freakin find one anywhere

[harsh moss]

Are there no more BF1 Weekly medals?

[solid hinge]

if anyone down to play bf3 hmu

or 4

[heady blaze]

Can anyone help me on battlefield 1 on Xbox please

[vale grail]

No one asked for Apex and everything that would've and should've made the main campaign for TitanFall 3 was hogwashed and watered down for Apex.

[vestal spear]

I have this problem
when I catch the planes

DirectX function "m_device1 Plat->SetResidencyPriority(1, &pageable, &priority)" failed with E_INVALIDARG ("An invalid parameter was passed to the returning function."). GPU: "Radeon RX 5500 XT", Driver: 24.10.27.01
(24.10.27.01-240827a-407412C).
D:\dev\TnT\LocalPackages\RenderCore2\2.04.00-ks\source\pla
tform\Dx12\ResourceBuilderDx12.cpp

[hot siren]

Have you tried to go back to older drivers? I see that you are using the newest one. Try ddu and install the 24.5.1 driver, for me works really good

[dark schooner]

how to get the The Revolution is Coming achievement in bf1

and the one for gallipoli operation

[uneven cape]

you need to play all the operations of the "In the name of the Tsar" DLC

the other one is just completing the operation called "Gallipoli"

[dark schooner]

no one plays this

[uneven cape]

if u play for a while you will get it

or just use a program to unlock the achievement if you want

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

🎉 #Battlefield 1 marks its 8th anniversary today!

Tomorrow, Oct 22nd, EA Anticheat arrives in BF1 as part of our ongoing commitment to support fair play.

Read more 👇
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𝕏 | 📷1 · Oct 21, 2024, 3:00 PM

[solid hinge]

so is mod support for bf5 gone for good?

[tight rain]

Damn 8 years now?

Time sure flies by

[sharp grove]

And still one of the best games produced, the graphics were beyond its time.

[vale grail]

Same with gameplay

[uneven cape]

the graphics are hella amazing, you can even see the shape of the nails beneath the gloves of the german soldiers like no other game has this kind of details istg

[sharp grove]

Exactly. I love the sniping mechanics!

[sharp grove]

Right?!!! Not only that but they worked on the guns textures and that MUD ACTUALLY forms on the gun and cloths if you get dirty?! Never seen such realism in other games. The gold finishes on Weapons literally makes it look like it’s coming to life.

[rich ember]

shame the gameplay is like BF4 but worse in every single way

[crisp sedge]

Fast way to get xp ? I need to get over 40

[agile marsh]

Anyone else get the constant packet loss symbol on bf4 PS4/5 I only ever get it on 4 but Bf1 and bfv hardly never

[uneven cape]

i always get it on bf1

[long shore]

What are some good beginners weapons for bf1, im getting ribeyrolles factory now. I have Lewis suppressive for support.

[thick seal]

cant go wrong with mp18 trench as far as smgs go

[uneven cape]

mp18, automatico m1918, lewis, benet mercie, chauchat

[dense jasper]

why am i always playing ballroom bnlitz

i wanna play all the matches

[regal lodge]

Yo' anyone blasting bf3?

[crisp sedge]

Fast way to get xp ? I need to get over 40

[south radish]

Always does

[tepid arrow]

anyone up for operations on bf1?

[sterile jolt]

Hardcore servers

[vale grail]

Same with sand and snow

[vale grail]

Model10A slug for assault, Cei-Regoti for medic, keep the lewis supressive for support and g98 for scout

[halcyon sundial]

As the Jesus Christ of medics i second the Regoti shout for Medic as being good for beginners.

[rich ember]

I would also recommend the Selbstlader M1916 Marksman, as that is basically the best medic SLR for general use.

You could also get away with using the Autoloading 8 Extended, or the RSC.

I say that because I basically main the Selbstlader unless i feel like mixing things up a bit with the Autoloading

[humble blade]

🚨THE PLAYERS THAT PLAY🚨
Calling all New Gen Rush Lovers US States Side🇺🇸💧Come get SWEATY!
Search🔎 "Sweats" every Mon, Wed, Sat Night, 10PM🕙 CDT in the Portal Browser and BOOM👉💨💥 you're in
{SWEATS ANONYMOUS} RUSH HARDCORE!
A Solid Group🪖🍻🥾 Put This Together And Other Game modes just don't do it 🚬
{SWEATS ANONYMOUS}
RUSH HARDCORE
|NO-BOT~FULL-XP|

[halcyon sundial]

wrong channel and cringe

[humble blade]

Which one then and lame.

[rich ember]

you already posted in #portal

[humble blade]

Sounds good.

Yall should still check it out though! BF 4 HC damage multipliers in 2042.

[halcyon sundial]

bruh this is the legacy BF channel, we play real BF titles here like BF1, BF4 and BFV not the puke that is 2042.

[sharp grove]

I play all battlefield games as a die hard fan, but you gotta give credit to BF2042 it’s not a bad game at all, it’s just really really poorly optimized and incompatible for most devices that are below the 3080 series nividia cards. Otherwise the mechanics and maps as well as the gameplay is really good and fits modern warfare gameplay.

☠️ I wrote a bit without realizing… my bad.

[halcyon sundial]

nah i loathe most things about 2042. the maps are the worst in the entire BF series. no server browser. unoptimized mess. operators are terribad.

[solid hinge]

imo bf2042 is a good game it just is not a good battlefield game it doesnt give the things someone would want from a battlefield game but on its own its a fine game just not what bf fans wanted

[rich ember]

it's not a good game actually

it literally does not function correctly in terms of mouse input on PC

how dare people have friends and wanna play the video game with them

[vagrant basalt]

Clan stacking with 15 players just to dominate a server is friends😭

[rich ember]

how dare people have a lot of friends and wanna play video games with them

i mean are you gonna stop me from talking

how do you plan to do that exactly.

perhaps, but that doesn't answer the question i asked.

how do you plan to stop me from talking

i don't think you can

[vagrant basalt]

Perhaps u read my response wrong

[rich ember]

nah i read that correctly, it just doesn't answer the question at all.

[vagrant basalt]

I mean mo u really didn't

"GUYS I can't read I must be right then"

[rich ember]

i mean you asked if i was mentally stupid. weird question to ask. doesn't answer the question i asked at all.

also, you're running with that, i assumed you were gonna edit the typo.

[vagrant basalt]

I'm assuming u clan stack ?

[rich ember]

nope i have literally never played with more than one person at a time

[vagrant basalt]

Clans=friends got it have a nice day

[rich ember]

Actually wait i did play with like, a squad back in BF1 but that was before i gave a shit about doing well

so i was ass, and i was the typical idiot scout player

[vagrant basalt]

(Not like half of the clans that clan stsck even know eachother or associate with eachother)

[rich ember]

i would assume that people in a clan generally talk to each other and like being around each other, otherwise why join the clan at all.

[humble blade]

Sorry you feel that way about it but it does have a Browser and has since day 1. No one knew how to use it like most BF titles. If you just run on the older titles kuttos but we have good modifications in this server that feels like the older titles for 2042 and for The Players That Play. TPTP comrade

[vagrant basalt]

Buddy that's not the point u we're making

[rich ember]

It does have a browser and has since day 1

you are literally incorrect

the server browser is only relevant for Portal.

[halcyon sundial]

bruh portal is not proper server browser......

the fake news rn

[rich ember]

It is relevant to the point I was making, that clans are generally comprised of people that would be considered friends.

I'm sorry you couldn't piece that together.

[vagrant basalt]

Lmao that's kinda crazy cause I use to be in seal before I met kp

[humble blade]

That is the browser for 2042

[vagrant basalt]

It's also funny that anyone who plays on xbox or ps can agree that clan stacking is for pussies

[rich ember]

it is not an actual server browser for 2042, it is a server browser for the shit people made on Portal, you couldn't browse normal 2042 servers with it.

[halcyon sundial]

bruh stop with this, just stop. it is not a proper server browser. be honest.

[humble blade]

It's what they call it so that's what I'm calling it.

[vagrant basalt]

No it's not

[rich ember]

The server browser in Portal is not the same as the server browser that say, BF1, or BFV have.

They are not comparable.

[vagrant basalt]

It's portal

[humble blade]

So the "Experts" say it's not a Browser. Sorry

FFS

[halcyon sundial]

bruh....... room temp iq detected, opinion rejected

[rich ember]

2042 does not have a server browser.

[vagrant basalt]

Ong

Dont believe them "experts"

[halcyon sundial]

we want a browser to scan for real games not portal crap

do you get it now?

[vagrant basalt]

I'm dead

[rich ember]

Well i mean, one is never coming.

The game's dead.

[halcyon sundial]

well next bf

we hope will have it lol

[rich ember]

i'm not holding my breath about it

[vagrant basalt]

Any yall know what new bf will be about?

[halcyon sundial]

yea fr dont hold breath

[rich ember]

it won't have 128 players, that's about all i know.

[vagrant basalt]

Hopefully more of a modern game not that futuristic bull crap they have on bf2042

[vagrant basalt]

That's sad

[rich ember]

eh

[vagrant basalt]

Also apologize for earliar man

[rich ember]

128 players was largely a detriment to 2042's gameplay.

[rich ember]

eh i'm over it

[halcyon sundial]

nah 128 players going is great. they cant design maps proper for 128 and their optimization for that numbers was woeful

[vagrant basalt]

I wouldn't mind 60 players(30v30

[rich ember]

it'll likely be 64 players max, just like it used to be.

[halcyon sundial]

64 is perfect

[vagrant basalt]

Ong

[rich ember]

like they're saying modern, 64 players. at this point they are kinda just saying what people wanna hear.

i would not trust that they're going to acknowledge a lot of complaints people had.

At the very least I do expect mouse input to work properly in the next BF game, but considering it doesn't in 2042, It is clearly not a guarantee.

apparently you can't take being able to aim properly in a shooter for granted.

[true viper]

or press button to start to actually start the game

[granite wyvern]

OMG! The main game needed persistent servers / server browser - don’t defend something which made the game unplayable for many.

[graceful sleet]

can i still use mods in bf1?

[solid carbon]

only if you wanna get banned

[vagrant basalt]

Pretty dumb question

[graceful sleet]

Now crash report handler in BF1.....

[graceful sleet]

Why?

[vagrant basalt]

Ur asking if u can use mods in a game where modding is against tos

[graceful sleet]

is not

[rich ember]

The EA anticheat broke mods

[graceful sleet]

It's just light modifications, it's not cheating.

[rich ember]

so no you can't

[graceful sleet]

bruh

I used to use skins of soldiers more loyal to the time

What file I have to delete from system32 so that the game could open?

i forgettt

[rich ember]

i donno.

[graceful sleet]

EA.....

[solid carbon]

[graceful sleet]

i think is cryptbase.dll

[rich ember]

you didn't need to do that you know

like

[graceful sleet]

''You require permission from TrustedInstaller to make changes to this file''

[rich ember]

it's really easy to just ignore.

[graceful sleet]

.....

i delete that file for BFV and it work

EA....

It's about putting an anti-cheat for cheaters, not an anti-play

[solid carbon]

[graceful sleet]

what

[rich ember]

[graceful sleet]

what

what i have to dooooooooo

[solid hinge]

yes use this w proper mouse+kbd and TV the mod is amazing

[graceful sleet]

Crash report Handler BF1

....

[rich ember]

Try reinstalling your game.

[graceful sleet]

no, is the EA anticheat

useless anticheat

[rich ember]

I don't know what to tell you.

Mods aren't going to work anymore, you're gonna have to get rid of 'em.

[graceful sleet]

im not modding

im trying to open the game

without mods

[rich ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[graceful sleet]

i cant because the game crashh

[rich ember]

try reinstalling the game.

[graceful sleet]

i did

it

When they put it in BFV I couldn't play for 6 months until I found a solution on my own and EA ate the snot

I searched all over the internet and there was nothing about it.

I went to the forum and there were many people complaining, and no one from EA responded

[uneven hollow]

Reddit may have an answer if all else fails

[proper knot]

is this the official server?

[graceful sleet]

Yes

[rich ember]

yes it is

[graceful sleet]

only work for BFV

[proper knot]

Could anybody help with 1 challenge in bf1? I will help too if it isnt too long or hard.

[graceful sleet]

they add the anticheat today so no fix yet

[uneven hollow]

I didn’t said anything about that I just said Reddit may have an answer to your problem

[graceful sleet]

...

[graceful sleet]

it seems that anticheat loves you

you can play

[proper knot]

Tbh I have gone through many technical difficulties in my life with my pc. And I almost always find a way to solve it.

[graceful sleet]

hello supportt?

[proper knot]

Ill help if you promice to help me later.

[graceful sleet]

i have ''crash report handler''

[proper knot]

dms

[graceful sleet]

what challenge you need

[proper knot]

3 kill with debri

dm me

[graceful sleet]

I just solved it again and it was stupid.

this a jokeeee

so

let me help you 3 kill

quickly i have to sleep

[proper knot]

ok

which map?

[slim star]

can someone help me with kar98k mastery V? on playstation?

[crystal prairie]

Is there any way to restore the nickname from the EA app in Battlefield V that I previously had on Origin, so that instead of random characters the correct nickname is displayed?

[slim star]

i want to know the same

[slim star]

Anyone can help kar 98k mastery V? I need 10 headshot kills in an objective

[visual parrot]

Get 10 HS

Easy

[granite wyvern]

I always forget, do you need to be on the objective, or them, or either, or both…..?

Either way, anything is easier than the Karabin hip fire one.

[slim star]

Wym?

[slim star]

Haha, you’d wish, I struggle with this for months now

[uneven cape]

does bf1 already have the anticheat

[limber bough]

They dropped the update a few hrs ago

[mint egret]

Guys i can't shoot with mouse in BF3 wh the broblem?

[brisk forge]

you've checked key bindings?

[granite wyvern]

I mean who needs to be on the objective for a kill to count

[slim star]

Fym

[slim star]

Yes, they finally did sum good

[uneven cape]

dont know how good this anticheat is but hopefully better than ricochet

[granite wyvern]

Read back what I said

[slim star]

The enemy I think

[granite wyvern]

Ah okay, so you can be some way back to do it

[slim star]

Yes but I need to make 10 headshot kills in 1 life

Or 1 round

20 in 1 round*

But

I had that many times

But it didn’t count

Frustrated me

Sm

Im bouta pay someone

[bleak crescent]

have yall ever used reshade for any battlefield ever?

[granite wyvern]

Trying to get my BFV SPM to 500 (spending my first year of the game on TDM has not helped!)

[halcyon sundial]

bruh your spm is sub 500.... oof

[granite wyvern]

Yep 😖 but almost there

[halcyon sundial]

become a chad medic

[granite wyvern]

I play medic quite often, but like I say - having to make up for so many lower SPM TDM games.

[halcyon sundial]

why did you play tdm? lol

[granite wyvern]

When my clan first started on BF, it was all we played

[jaunty marsh]

@vale grail sup

[halcyon sundial]

gg

[frigid veldt]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

This week in #BF2042 👇

🔸 Shutdown
🔹 BC2 - Deja Vu
🔸 CSL - Squid G's Chaos V3
🔹 #FNB - Cutting Edge

🔗 http://go.ea.com/BF-calendar

𝕏 | 📷1 · Oct 22, 2024, 10:48 PM

[vale grail]

It's especially fun when you get the three perks; Reciprocity, smokescreen and shared stimulant.

[vale grail]

Oh hey, Bad Company 2! If only we could still play the original game that had all the maps, weapons and mechanics missing from 2042's shite jank-ass reboot that's missing all the soul the 'portal mode' should've had. If only they didn't 'shutdown' the servers

:[

[rich ember]

nostalgia, give us your money

play the game pls

[vale grail]

"we killed the servers of the games you actually were playing and filling in our legacy games so we can re-sell the experience as a watered down pissed on disgrace to our own legacy! Come buy 2042 today and get a fraction of what we used to be in a thinly veiled death shroud of our compentency and capacity to understand we're not overwatch or warzone" ahhhhh game

[halcyon sundial]

real

[rich ember]

"Buy Battlefield coins!"

[vale grail]

So we can slingshot them through EA's headquarters' windows so they may afford to pay the ferryman to deliver their dead franchises to the other side?

Sidenote; The song, 'Don't pay the Ferryman' is a sleeper banger.

[tawny spear]

Not sure if this is right channel I apologize if not. Just updated BF1 on steam and now EA app loads the game, which didnt happen previously (atleast it didnt open a window) and the game crashes about 30 seconds in no matter what. was not happening a few days ago, drivers are updated, files verified. Any help? thx

[true viper]

Deleted bfv

Too many campers and seat warmers, which all could’ve been negated with spotting

In the words of avgn

what were they thinking

[rich ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

DICE was making some interesting decisions at that time.

[true viper]

the movement system is so good, I really liked leaning

but no spotting?

Id rather deal with attrition than no spotting

[halcyon sundial]

the camping and seat warming has been worse lately from what i have been experiencing. dont blame you for doing the uninstall.

[true viper]

sad

[rich ember]

Battlefield V was not a great game.

Don't believe Jackfrags' lies.

[unique crater]

Remember when BFV was being aimed to cover the lesser known battles of WW2? And then they defaulted to the Battle of France and eventually Iwo Jima

[true viper]

Only Battlefield youtubers I watch are cadwoman and dannyonpc

[unique crater]

still the funniest DICE moment, they forgot about the Battle of Poland and Castle Itter

[true viper]

and M107 gaming, discovered him a week ago

[rich ember]

I watch Enders sometimes. I don't really watch BF content otherwise.

[unique crater]

Limitting my tank shooting spree by ammo supply was evil.. not that I ever ran out of shells, field guns and assault troops be damned.

I thought the Battle Royale in BFV was cute, too little too late and with poor marketing

Shot down a heli with a field gun, coolest thing I've ever done

[rich ember]

okay

i think i might know what's causing it, but i can't do anything about that right now

I reset my modem, but i did not reset my router. I may also try moving my router.

[vagrant basalt]

Love it when someone starts tagging and shooting my corpse

[maiden kite]

anyone got leaks for bf6?

[rich ember]

it'll have guns in it

[maiden kite]

hot damn

This is good to know, ill go back to my cave for 6 months of slumber now

[rich ember]

it'll be really funny if we can keep that guy sleeping by just lying to him every 6 months

like just keep lying to this guy.

[vagrant basalt]

Wait really?

[rich ember]

maybe

[vagrant basalt]

Well golly thanks for the leaks bro

[rich ember]

no problem, call me the next tom henderson

:V

[sterile jolt]

Russia vs USA I bet, modern fictional wars similar to 3 and 4.

[sterile jolt]

You can spot for your squad or use recon/support, I like V's system more than press q to spot

Biggest issue of BFV is lack of visibility in some maps instead, some skins can blend into the environment very easily such as in the maps like Devastation

Ilse and other gray camos easily blends into the rubble

I bet there are/were some sweats who changed their camo in every match just to match to the environment better

[fair elbow]

anyone even banning cheaters (name of cheater: BettrLuckNxtYr )? the guy about 2 week cheating non stop at Portal 1000% hardcore match Europa server and still not banned. even now he is online and cheating!

[rich ember]

...Do you know who's running the servers?

[rich ember]

I'd try talking to whoever is running the server you're in. Otherwise, I would recommend not playing Portal.

[fair elbow]

Hosted by: TheFirstBanana
Experience Created by: cpthaggis

[rich ember]

then talk to them

[granite wyvern]

Which is why it’s always best to run with a tight squad. One of you go down to a hidden camper, the others kill him and revive your guy.

[granite wyvern]

Only things I’ve heard is back to smaller player count and modern setting.

[granite wyvern]

There are campers in all FPS games - nothing to do with the game.

[rich ember]

played a bit of BF4 again. It's crazy how talkative people who are barely positive with a shotgun are

like damn

you'd almost think they were doing something. but they weren't cause they had a shotgun and they're typing slurs in chat.

like

i think if you're running a shotgun, your chat keys should be disabled

you're not allowed to talk in text chat if you're running a shotgun

either that or you can try and the game should tell you to shut up cause you're running a shotgun

[granite wyvern]

I always get messages because I run a Shotty on BFV as a level 500 on Underground. I mean why wouldn’t you run Shotty in underground?

[random blade]

I just find them boring personally

[rich ember]

because it's boring and cheesy and annoying.

like

[granite wyvern]

Meh, if a gun is in the game then players are free to use it

[rich ember]

if you're aware that you're a bot, then fine. whatever.

but don't use a shotgun and then talk like you're doing something

[rich ember]

just because something is in the game doesn't mean it should be in there.

[granite wyvern]

I never talked about doing anything

[granite wyvern]

Talk to DICE (not the players)

[rich ember]

DICE aren't particularly receptive.

so i'm doing all that i can do.

which is complain about it.

[granite wyvern]

Being a moaning Minnie to people playing a game how they choose is not helping anyone. If someone is using hacks etc. fine - but not for gun selection.

[rich ember]

you see some dipshit typing slurs in chat after barely going positive with a shotgun and try to not be annoyed about it. :I

i am not looking to help anything.

Unfortunately, I am not able to get a job as a gameplay designer at DICE, so I am incapable of helping anything when it comes to this. I'm not even going to pretend that i'm trying.

I literally cannot.

[granite wyvern]

I wouldn’t know about that, there is no text chat on console

[rich ember]

Yeah.

[vagrant basalt]

Just love the bug where it randomly kicks u out of the game when ur doing just fine🥰

[granite wyvern]

Not had that for a while

[sterile jolt]

I prefer shotguns over Type 2A spam, at least shotguns has respectable ranges, people complain about Model 37 especially but it has like 8 meter range, lowest of all shotguns. It's also kinda necessary to use against Type 2A spam.

[rich ember]

does the type 2a oneshot.

[sterile jolt]

You just spray and it works

Even with bad aim

[rich ember]

does the type 2a oneshot.

[sterile jolt]

Due to high RPM and non existent recoil

[rich ember]

answer the question.

[sterile jolt]

No

[rich ember]

okay. shotguns are more annoying because they do.

[sterile jolt]

Bolt action rifles oneshots too

Are they also annoying?

[rich ember]

yes.

[sterile jolt]

So Kar 98 is more annoying than ZH 29?

Cuz ZH can't oneshot?

[granite wyvern]

You wouldn’t like me either way then lol

[rich ember]

i would say so yes.

[sterile jolt]

I have 0 respect for Type 2A and Type 2A users 🤷

It shouldn't be in the game

[sterile jolt]

LOL

Bolt action rifles at least requires skill to use

[granite wyvern]

I have 43,160 kills with Model 37

And 24,315 with 2A

[rich ember]

When oneshots are limited to headshots exclusively then yes. but that is not the case when they can oneshot at close range, or at arbitrary ranges like with the sweet spot mechanic in BF1.

[sterile jolt]

BFV doesn't have a mechanic like that

[rich ember]

so it just makes bolts one-shot at close range.

okay still falls under what i said

[sterile jolt]

No

What I mean is that BFV doesn't have sweet spot

You will be oneshotted if you are below 80 hp

[granite wyvern]

But it is in the game and there are many maps I don’t use 2A on (as beyond a certain range all the other SMGs beat it - at least on console)

[sterile jolt]

With Gewehr 95

But other bolt actions can't oneshot bodyshot you

Kar and Krag deals like 60

Flat

[rich ember]

i would simply make it so that's not possible.

[sterile jolt]

Why?

People use G95 because of it's damage model

[rich ember]

because being able to oneshot to the body is cringe.

[sterile jolt]

Not if you have 100 health

G95 can't oneshot

[granite wyvern]

MP40 is my most used gun

[sterile jolt]

Why?

Mine is MAS44

[granite wyvern]

Just always found it versatile

[sterile jolt]

Try Type 100

Same TTK but far more versatile

[granite wyvern]

Yeah but I’m trying to get to the most kills on Xbox with it

[sterile jolt]

Oh okay lol

MP40 would be easier then since it's not particularly popular

Among sweats and veterans

[granite wyvern]

ZK is the sweats gun on Xbox

[sterile jolt]

Same with PC honestly

StG 1-5, Turner SMLE, ZK, ZH, Model 37, Type 2A

All sweat weapons

[random blade]

Zk feels great

Although regarding snipers I’ve sort of naturally gravitated to the m95, don’t really know why

Or maybe it was the krag

[rich ember]

i feel like with snipers, headshots should be heavily rewarded if not mandated, but i am also of the opinion that maybe it is justified to not have them be present at all.

[random blade]

I want to be able to use snipers but I just don’t want those 300+ metres out to have them

[sterile jolt]

Snipers are staple of the franchise since the beginning

BF allows for long range engagements, they should be present in the game

I like M95, my favorite bolt action sniper but I gravitated towards Jungle/Trombone and Selbstlader/RSC lately

RSC is possibly the best aggressive sniper in the game

Bolt action carbines also feels like they are just better bolt action snipers

Since you don't need to zoom out to pull the bolt

[granite wyvern]

The true sweats on Xbox tend to not use the Model 37 or 2A.

Unfortunately I’m not a true sweat and 50 years old with shit reflexes, so I do what I have to to compete with them

[random blade]

I prefer that for the most part

As you can use the downtime to reposition and dodge incoming fire

[sterile jolt]

I prefer to stay on the target honestly, with self loading rifles they will be dead before they can shoot anyways

[vagrant basalt]

My most used gun is sturmgewehr 1-5 with 1.3k kills but all my snipers combines have like 4k+ kills with them all

I'm only lvl 138 tho

Half of my overall kills are headshots

[fallow root]

There is a site that offers BF1 mods. Do they work at all or only single player?

[vagrant basalt]

I think dice added a thing where if u mess with the files or anything it won't allow u to play the game

Might be wrong tho

[random blade]

fair enough. But just the internal satisfaction of one shot headshots is enough to sway me

[vagrant basalt]

Yep facts

Coming from someone who mains snipers

[random blade]

nothing better than watching someone walk 250 metres away from the objective, set up a spawn beacon on a hill, bipod up then you just end them

[sterile jolt]

Headshots from bolt actions are definitely more satisfying

I’m just turning into a meta slave the more I play it

[granite wyvern]

Nice, I’ve played BFV for far too long (hence I have a stupid amount of kills).

[vagrant basalt]

I only got about 400 hours in bf5 so far still like it

[granite wyvern]

Good to hear, just hope the next one gets back to form

[vagrant basalt]

I hope dice revives bf5 imo

Especially maps man

[granite wyvern]

Only problem is, the current dev team would probably mess it up

[vagrant basalt]

Onb

I really enjoyed bf1 maps

But diff war

[violet jay]

Why is bf 5 apparently the only game where I can't lift the rifle while running? because in the 2042, for example, if I press shift 2x quickly, generally my soldier raises the rifle and I can run "faster"

[rich ember]

tk, are you dumb?

[limber bough]

Somehow doesn't know what traversal sprint is

with over 1k hours

[violet jay]

No, why would I be dumb for asking a question?

[sterile jolt]

Bro, have you started playing FPS with like Warzone?

99% of the fps games don’t have tactical sprint

And they shouldn’t

I dislike tactical sprint

[viscid halo]

I haven't booted up bfv in a long time, is it me or are the maps smaller than BF1?

[random blade]

I like the idea behind it, but in execution it’s just kind of pointless

[dark schooner]

is there any way to check on which maps in bf1 did I play?

[uneven cape]

on warzone it made normal sprinting useless cuz you could just bind the tactical sprinting to the W key and run all the time

[violet jay]

I played WZ some time ago, but it's not a game that "grabs" me due to the fact that it's obviously a battle royale and in my opinion it becomes "tedious", while 2042 or BF 5, for example, are games that really entertain you. and even though you don't like it, that doesn't mean that other people won't like it either, due to the fact that EA knows it should please the majority and consequently there should be at least one fucking option to activate this race and what do I think? "curious" is that when I play BF 5 and I take the pistol in my hand and press it to run, then yes, my soldier lifts it to run "faster"

[violet jay]

I disagree with you for the simple fact that in a real-life war, if you raise the rifle upwards, you can move better or even if you hold the rifle with one hand

[wind swan]

I have a question about bf1

[random blade]

Okay?
You're describing the mechanic but not providing a counter point

[wind swan]

So i tried to play it on ps4 couldn't find any full servers is the game dead or something ?

[random blade]

might have to change your search filters

[violet jay]

give a counterpoint? I didn't understand

[wind swan]

I actually tried but didn't work

[wind swan]

Bfv is very popular though

[random blade]

I said I don't feel like traversal sprint serves a purpose, you then said it exists because running one handed lets you move better, entierly unrelated

[surreal plover]

am from SEA region and I couldn't find a lobby to play BF1 and all i end up is in a lobby with only me playing

is there any idea? (returning player) I played it long ago

they introduced some anti cheat it seems

[granite wyvern]

Didn’t BF1 have faster sprint with sidearm? (Been years since I played it!)

[keen jacinth]

Slightly but I can't tell the difference.

[granite wyvern]

I know BFV doesn’t but I usually sprint with sidearm (if no imminent danger).

[granite wyvern]

More popular than 2042

[tropic vortex]

2042 goated long time

[granite wyvern]

Only for you my friend

[tropic vortex]

We have our own channel

It's been more active than in here

[granite wyvern]

Would hope so, it’s the latest BF (but it is not widely called the GOAT by BF fans).

[tropic vortex]

The same bf fans playing cod right now?

[glacial sand]

Hi guys, Im planning to buy Battlefield 3 before it will remove from Steam permanently in November. Ive seen some bad reviews about multiplayer error. But i just only wanna play campaign. Is the campaign ok to play?

[granite wyvern]

That’s some legacy 2042 has - drove most of the BF fans to CoD. Just because they hate the latest entry, does not mean they don’t love the BF franchise overall. Hopefully they will be back if the next BF does not make the same mistakes as 2042.

[tropic vortex]

Don't blame 2042

[violet jay]

The point is that if you are running across the map and your soldier has his gun raised and an enemy starts shooting at you from afar, the tendency is for you to be able to have better movement, even dodging so that the bullets don't hit you with ease even if you don't see any object to use as cover

[random blade]

yeah that's the main reason I use it, but the downsides of using it are so narrow that there's little reason not to use it, which is why I feel it's a little pointless. Just make the base sprint speed faster

[violet jay]

But if you make the running speed faster then the game will become bizarre due to the fact that the bfs are war simulators unless in "separate" modes where the admins modify things to generate surreal things

[granite wyvern]

What do you blame? Covid?

[tropic vortex]

Makes sense to

[fallow root]

Were def any notable changes in yesterdays patch in bf1

[granite wyvern]

I thought it was just the anti-cheat?

[solid carbon]

it was only the anti-cheat

[uneven cape]

yeah they just added bulgaria to the game and 6 more new weapons

[rich ember]

was kinda weird that they removed the ability to sprint from the game

strange decision to make so long after the fact but i donno

[fallow root]

6 more new weapons

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[violet jay]

How do I activate the BF 5 parachute? In the game options it is enabled to activate automatically but when my soldier falls from a high height and I press the button that normally activates I see that nothing happens

[solid hinge]

How do I change my region on bf1 or is the only way to browser servers

[tropic vortex]

How do I change guns?

[fervent yacht]

bf1 anyone?]

[teal fractal]

no

[teal fractal]

yes

[teal fractal]

lol people are heavily underrating 42

hating to hate

then they go back to glitching their movements in 5 and 4 and just getting duked on in 1 by dice buffed low lvl players and spam G for 20/25 minutes

and call it peak gameplay

then they pull out that bf42 has bad maps but lets be real i can only think of max 3/4 maps per bf game that i actually really liked playing out of all the maps they had

they keep talking about bf1 having amazing maps but the overall gameplay was insanely ass, either vehicle dominated, people spamming explosives more than playing with their actual guns, camping scouts in a 5 man group/half the team doing it (they never ptfo)

and the few maps that have more complexity are disliked by those same bad players

like prise nivelle and argonne

[random blade]

The hate it got was justified, but a lot of it got corrected

[teal fractal]

yeah but the hate its getting rn is pretty dumb imo

the gunplay is definitely more fun compared to 1 and 5 imo

[random blade]

The only exposure I have is in this discord and folks here basically treat it the same way

[teal fractal]

i kinda do wish they had lean but i dont mind them not having it either since i rarely used it in any of the games

[random blade]

Definitely. It’s movement and recoil systems are my second favourite across all bf, it’s the only reason I really play it now

[teal fractal]

no way to abuse movement to win gunfights like in 4-5 atleast

and not many bs mechanics like in 1

[teal fractal]

and this is coming from a person that has played it for 2k hours

[random blade]

I do love the non exploit movement of 4, but 2042 strikes a good balance

[teal fractal]

yeah

[rich ember]

BF4's movement is great. I like air control being a thing.

[random blade]

I appreciate having choices in movement

[teal fractal]

its cheesy

[rich ember]

I think BFV's sliding with the rest of BF4's movement would be great.

[teal fractal]

unless youre counting out the glitches

[random blade]

Bf1 felt dull in comparison, 4 takes the cake, v offers good traversal but not much in combat movement, but 2042 is an inbetween

[teal fractal]

5 you can cheese so many fights with good movement i got pretty bored of it

[rich ember]

BF1 was only dull because they took away everything that made BF4's movement fun, added sliding, and then they nerfed sliding till it was basically useless.

[random blade]

Yeah all the player model - hitbox desync is just straight up bad. That stuff should have been fixed long ago

But air strafe is tonnes of fun by itself

[vagrant basalt]

Oh lord

B42 doodoo

[teal fractal]

id rather have bf1s movement than 4s because id rather have players that would have good positioning over spamming zouzou, rouzou and whatever the others were called

just cheesy way to win easy gunfights over players that are clueless its pretty boring to play

same with 5 you can cheese so many easy fights with the slide its so broken

[vagrant basalt]

"Glitching movement" is not a thing in 5

[teal fractal]

it is

[vagrant basalt]

It's normal movement

[rich ember]

sliding around is glitching movement

[teal fractal]

you can glitch out your hitbox when in prone too

[rich ember]

you're not allowed to do that in a fight, didn't you know

[vagrant basalt]

Then say that

[rich ember]

man would lose his mind if he saw a quake match

[random blade]

Yeah actually using it isn’t too tough, but those moments that actually challenge my aim to some degree to something more reactive adds some dynamism and is something I do enjoy

[vagrant basalt]

Same players in bf2042 are ass in 5 lmao

[rich ember]

would probably call bhopping cheesy

[teal fractal]

well yeah thats why i dont play those games

[vagrant basalt]

-👶

[teal fractal]

you cant compare bf1 players to 5 or bf5 players to 42

or wiseversa

[rich ember]

"why do you move in a fight, that makes you harder to hit, stop it, you're cheesing, stop iiiiit"

[vagrant basalt]

I can and I will just like u did

[teal fractal]

no its just easy to play lol when your targets are all casual bad players

[teal fractal]

i didnt compare the players (?)

i only said that the playstyles are different

[vagrant basalt]

Calling people bad bc their is built in movement just proves ur a crybaby and suck at bf5

[teal fractal]

i didnt call them bad lol

[vagrant basalt]

"Casual bad players" complete delusions

Goodbye

[teal fractal]

thats in every bf game

[vagrant basalt]

Ok so if bf5 movement is cheesy so is bf2042

[teal fractal]

your average player is bad you cant deny it lol

and every game has maybe 2-6 that are good at the game

[teal fractal]

how

[vagrant basalt]

On xbox most players are new

[teal fractal]

its more positioning based than movement based

[vagrant basalt]

Cap

[teal fractal]

less movement = more positioning based

[rich ember]

"there are bad players, therefore, we should limit how people can move to make it easier for those bad players."

[teal fractal]

no thats what bf1 did and it sucked lol

[rich ember]

pickle when they realize that using movement in fights is a skill that can be learned:

[teal fractal]

idm movement aslong as it isnt the entire gameplay you have to roll around

[vagrant basalt]

https://youtu.be/32OBCCKO-PY?si=xcss3vOYUk3IkNmx

Bf2042 literally has slide movement lmao

[teal fractal]

yeah but its not anywhere near 5 slide

1 has slide too are you saying that you can slide abuse every gunfight in 1 lol

[vagrant basalt]

And tactical sprint

[teal fractal]

what does that prove

lol

[vagrant basalt]

U can barely slide abuse in bf5 their is a delay

[teal fractal]

game has running

[vagrant basalt]

Ur point

[teal fractal]

of gameplay difference yes

[vagrant basalt]

Also #battlefield-2042

[teal fractal]

you can slide through every tighter area and kill 3-4 people

[vagrant basalt]

Can't believe ur saying this

[teal fractal]

?

[rich ember]

and this is a reason that sliding should be removed because..?

[vagrant basalt]

I can do that on bf2042

[teal fractal]

not saying removed just not broken like 5s is

i really liked 1s slide

[rich ember]

1's slide was useless.

[teal fractal]

no

[rich ember]

people barely know it exists.

i've talked to people in the current year that don't even know there's a slide mechanic in the game.

That's how useless it is.

[teal fractal]

well yeah and they are all bad players aswell lol

[vagrant basalt]

5 isn't broken lmao it's perfectly balanced everyone has it stop comparing a 5 year game that hasn't got updates for a long time to newer games

[rich ember]

there is not a single actual benefit to using it.

[teal fractal]

you can slide into cover with it i use it pretty often

[rich ember]

Even good players have stated that the BF1 slide was nerfed way too hard, and it's useless.

[vagrant basalt]

Nobody uses slide in bf5 unless their lvl 100 sweats that been playing since release

[random blade]

Whether a game gets updated or not has nothing to do with someone genuinely critiquing it based on its mechanical design

[teal fractal]

i mean youre an xbox player aswell the players there ingeneral are kinda braindead

[teal fractal]

nah

[vagrant basalt]

That wasn't my point

My point was comparing did u even read?

[teal fractal]

as a good bf1 player i can definitely say it isnt useless

[vagrant basalt]

Wow just wow

[teal fractal]

its true though lol

[random blade]

So you weren’t saying we shouldn’t compare bf5 to 2042 just because it’s old?

[teal fractal]

ive never met weirder players than on console

they dont even react to half the things you do

[vagrant basalt]

Their u go u got it

Yes I am

[teal fractal]

you can shoot 6 people in the back and none of them will turn around

[rich ember]

https://youtu.be/a1_RJ-cHK8I?t=402 Here's a really good BF1 player talking about the movement. One of the best players, even.

[teal fractal]

or they turn around in slow motion

[teal fractal]

6 years old

i doubt he would be very comparable these days

[random blade]

Is that the nickel vid

[rich ember]

"After playing this game since it's launch, I can safely say that this game has the worst movement system of any recent battlefield game."

[vagrant basalt]

That's cause most bf console players are 20 year old dude who just got off work lmao they barely play the game to sweat the just want to enjoy

[rich ember]

yes it is!

[random blade]

Thought so

Love the guy

[teal fractal]

yes exactly

thats why i find it cheesy to sweat with insane movements ingames that is insanely full of casuals lol

[rich ember]

"Sliding was a really cool feature that could be used to slide into cover smoothly. A feature that has been completely ruined after two patches. Don't get me wrong. It was probably abused too much at launch. But now it's been rendered absolutely useless."

[teal fractal]

it isnt

[rich ember]

Like, this is a guy that has played with and against the best BF4 players in the world for fun, not even for money, as he joined the scene too late for major tournaments.

I would think he knows a bit more about good movement than you do.

[teal fractal]

thats almost any bf community event lol

[teal fractal]

between clans

[teal fractal]

whats good movement in your mind man

to me its movement that isnt abusive to use

[random blade]

I’d go for bf4 air strafe, with 2042’s slide, bfv’s additional stuff like rolls, ledge grab and crouch running, with roughly mackay strafe speeds with about the same level of inertia

[rich ember]

I've already explained this, but I guess you don't have the attention span to remember that, so i'll mention it again.

I like BF4's movement, I like being able to jump and change directions mid-air. I think that, with BFV's sliding, would be ideal.

[random blade]

Purely positional has its merits but I just find it a little boring at times

[teal fractal]

yeah 42s slide is pretty spot on imo

[random blade]

Just a little something to spice things up is all I need

[teal fractal]

not abusive but still a fairly good slide

[rich ember]

There needs to be something to make infantry gameplay fun and engaging. Holding angles forever and waiting for people to sprint through them is not fun.

[random blade]

And it’s got choice. You can use it to get into cover or use it to leap into a bhop

[teal fractal]

if youre holding angles forever youre playing the game wrong

[rich ember]

But moving is a problem, apparently, and not having any aggressive movement mechanics makes infantry gameplay very lacking.

[teal fractal]

it makes it more interesting imo because you need to look out for more key things than just zerg in with good movement and win every gunfight regardless of how the enemy is positioned or how youre positioned

you need to be smarter on angles and positions to do well in bf1 i prefer that

[rich ember]

You're aware that good movement can be countered by good aim, right?

[teal fractal]

yeah but only 1% of players have actual good aim

[rich ember]

then people should be more motivated to learn how to aim better, nerfing movement for the sake of people that can't aim is not a good solution.

[teal fractal]

okay but they arent

[rich ember]

If people can't aim, they should lose fights, you don't get to win fights if you can't hit your shots.

[teal fractal]

again bf is insanely casual lol

no one cares

they just want to fight tanks and have cinematic moments or something

[random blade]

Tbf pickle has a good point, I don’t find a purely positioning focussed game fun, gotta have some movement to be fun, but I can see where you’re getting at

[teal fractal]

or players that just do nothing the entire game and play til they get that one cool lucky headshot with scout or something

[rich ember]

Nah, I think Pickle's insane. Nerfing good infantry movement for the sake of people that can't aim is a really bad choice and only hurts ways that players could have fun with the game.

[teal fractal]

im not saying to nerf it to amount 0 im just saying that it being toned down is more classical battlefield

[rich ember]

Good movement is counterable.

If they can't counter it, they need to learn.

If they can't learn, then there's nothing that can be done.

[teal fractal]

most players cant though lol

thats why every high kpm player abuses it

easy kills

[rich ember]

Then they need to learn how to.

[teal fractal]

.

no one takes bf seriously

[rich ember]

Players only get away with doing that if other players let them.

You stop that by learning how to counter it.

[teal fractal]

just that 1% playerbase

im not good at games generally but i have 4kpm average in 1 and its not because i have godlike aim over others its just that they are that bad

also most top dog players have sunk thousands of hours into bf over scrubs that just play it from time to time and have few hundred at most

[rich ember]

if it weren't counterable, that'd be one thing. But for the most part, it is. I think if people are dying to it that much, then they need to learn how to aim and counter it themselves.

[teal fractal]

it is if youre good which 99% of players arent

[rich ember]

Learn something.

[teal fractal]

you might aswell go play against ai

[rich ember]

Get better.

[teal fractal]

3rd time when i say this but average players dont care about being good in bf games

[rich ember]

This is not an unrealistic demand.

[teal fractal]

and thats why they are at the level they are at

[rich ember]

Average players don't care about being good in bf games

but they do care about dying to good players.

[teal fractal]

no

they just call you a cheater and keep doing the same thing they dont care

in the past 2-3 years ive maybe seen like 4 people actually get better from when they started

[rich ember]

And they'll just keep dying, because they don't wanna learn anything or get better, and this is used as justification to remove fun things like air strafing, because people like that don't care to learn how to counter it, they just don't like dying to it and want it removed from the video game.

[teal fractal]

not saying to remove air strafing just saying to make movement that isnt abusable for cheap kills

[rich ember]

But any movement could be "Abusable" if the players are bad enough.

[teal fractal]

depends on how readable it is

[rich ember]

BF4 movement is very readable if you're paying attention.

[teal fractal]

random unexpected zerg glitched movements arent very easy to read

thats why it works so well

its the same thing as getting killed by some like new player in some x spot purely because its unexpected and youd never think of that, same thing with abusive movement

[random blade]

This has been an interesting convo but I need some sleep haha, g’night folks

[teal fractal]

goodnight

[teal fractal]

whilist positioning based gameplay you can read spots where you could be out angled or where players would position to

[rich ember]

considering the setup needed for basically all of the movement stuff that people do, I find it very unlikely that people do most of it in the middle of a fight.

Besides. Let's say for the sake of argument, that none of that is involved. I think the jumping and air control are very readable and counterable.

[teal fractal]

so its not as bs as getting zouzoud and 1 framed by aek zergers

[rich ember]

Granted, glitched movement is also counterable, just requires more effort and knowledge.

what do you count as a zouzou.

[teal fractal]

jumping and air control sure yes

[teal fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Vj48KLN6c

you cant tell me this isnt bs

[rich ember]

Ah, this. I never see anyone doing this in public lobbies.

Most people don't even run the big medbox, people generally run med pouches.

[teal fractal]

you can do vouzou with a pouch too

[rich ember]

...also that's a vouzou, i asked what you count as a zouzou.

:I

getting off topic already, unbelievable.

[teal fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9JNA9dLbgY

the entire point of abusing zouzou and vouzou is because of how unpredictable it is

[teal fractal]

and this isnt even like a very insane zouzou

[rich ember]

okay that just looks like a jump peak, man barely registered the guy was around the corner till the instant he was dead.

[teal fractal]

then theres also mouzou

[rich ember]

Granted, he hit a headshot with the m40, so maybe he couldn't have done much about it, but to be frank I feel like that guy got lucky as fuck with that shot

yet another thing i know about but literally never seen anyone actually do in public servers

[teal fractal]

also rouzou

[rich ember]

new verse, same as the first.

[teal fractal]

depends on server tbh

in eu theres a lot of sweat servers full of them

but again i dont like bf4 because glitched movement is what sets "good" players apart

whilist in bf1 what sets good players apart is situational awareness, positioning and decision making

[rich ember]

aside from the airstrafing, which is not a glitch

[teal fractal]

never said airstraifing was a glitch

idm that its not abusable

[rich ember]

Most of that shit is not actively used by most people, the only thing that is some what regularly used is the zouzou, and even that's able to be countered aside from very specific setups.

Like i said, the guy in the clip you posted got a lucky m40 headshot, i don't think that's a realistic expectation for everyone that does that.

[rich ember]

and aim.

just

so we're clear, being able to hit shots is important

[teal fractal]

good aim wont outplay glitch zergers

unless the glitcher has bad aim and doesnt 1 frame you

[rich ember]

i donno, i've killed some dipshits trying to do zouzous on me on C Flag in Locker.

[teal fractal]

but yes in bf1 aim 100% matters

[rich ember]

i think it's possible to outplay that with good aim.

[teal fractal]

i dont have any good clips of my bf5 video to show sliding abuse sadly

[rich ember]

But anyway, let's get back to what we're actually talking about. I do not believe that infantry movement should be nerfed or limited for the sake of people that can't aim. Most movement is counterable by good aiming.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[teal fractal]

ah actually you can see me cheese out of gunfights when theres too much heat against players in a good position

[rich ember]

donno.

[teal fractal]

so again youre harder to be punished for a bad position or a bad push

which is pretty lame imo

[rich ember]

is it cheese or did you just take advantage of them being distracted.

[rich ember]

i mean, you're punishing them for bad aim.

I think getting a kill simply because you had a better position is pretty lame.

you want people to be punished for bad positions or bad pushes?

People need to learn how to aim better.

[teal fractal]

yes

why wouldnt i

lol

[rich ember]

Easy solution to that. Aim better.

[teal fractal]

well yes but thats the point of good movement

to avoid getting shot

[rich ember]

It's not the game's job to punish that for you. You need to do it yourself.

[teal fractal]

no one has 100% accuraccy

[rich ember]

you don't need 100% accuracy to counter good movement. You just need good accuracy.

[vagrant basalt]

I do

I got a great gaming chair

[teal fractal]

okay but thats the point of good movement lol to escape those situations

[rich ember]

And the point of good aiming is to combat people who are also trying to use movement.

[teal fractal]

i get 36-40% aim accuraccy in bf1 and i fluff shots on people that dont move the way i expect them to

you can easily throw off players with good aim

[vagrant basalt]

I got 1000% accuracy

[teal fractal]

especially in bf5

because you can do directional changes with slide

[vagrant basalt]

I got built in hacks(aim assist)

[teal fractal]

you can slide left right and backwards

[rich ember]

Good positioning counters bad aim and bad pushing.
Good aim counters bad positioning and bad pushing.
Good pushing counters bad aiming and bad positioning.

It all balances out.

[teal fractal]

this is too generalised

[rich ember]

Anyone who's good has all of these.

[teal fractal]

anyone thats good knows its too generalised lol

[rich ember]

I am not giving a fucking college level lecture on FPS skill and counters, okay, this is what you get.

[teal fractal]

thats almost never true

[rich ember]

It's basic logic that's good enough for the purposes of the conversation.

[teal fractal]

okay but its not true

[rich ember]

How is it not true?

[teal fractal]

bf is too situational for those things to be that way all the time

also a push isnt a counter persay

[rich ember]

pushing aggressively is countering someone holding an angle.

I am not trying to say that things are ideal all the time, but it is generally true that good aim counters movement.

that is the entire reason people train it.

[teal fractal]

thats assuming that he keeps that angle and doesnt know hes being pushed on/or stays anyway because skill issue

and you cant always do these pushes because you arent in a 1v1 situation

its very situational

unless blind spot angle for most of the team but its not an aggressive push imo

aggressive push would be pressuring the enemy from being able to peek/shoot/run

its not even like a practice thing its an experience thing

[teal fractal]

which goes down to this

[rich ember]

if things aren't like that all the time then why is movement an issue.

[teal fractal]

im confused on what you mean by this tbh

[rich ember]

if this is true, then why is movement a problem.

[teal fractal]

because abusable movements is something that almost always works in most situations

thats why every "good" player does it

[rich ember]

okay but what are we defining as abusable movements. I don't think it's reasonable to count glitched movements in BF4.

[teal fractal]

how is glitched movement not abusive movement

[rich ember]

I am not counting them because they are glitched, they are not intended.

[teal fractal]

they are intended

[rich ember]

they are not intended because they are a glitch

[teal fractal]

a glitch that you can consistently do

its not a 1 time thing

[rich ember]

They are not a part of the intended game design by the developers.

[teal fractal]

okay but its in the game

and its the meta movement

[rich ember]

and this is a problem exclusive to one game.

[teal fractal]

yes

[rich ember]

so meta i barely see players using them in public lobbies, but okay.

[teal fractal]

actually no bf5 has its glitched movement too

[rich ember]

what is glitched in BFV.

[teal fractal]

yes because majority are bad

[teal fractal]

prone back and forth

[rich ember]

literally never heard of or seen anyone do this, doesn't strike me as particularly effective.

[teal fractal]

because majority of players you encounter arent good

[rich ember]

explain to me why this is a problem.

[teal fractal]

you can outplay someone pushing onto you while prone by just moving backwards, the switch inbetween bugs out your hitbox and you can kill them

which is bs

because youre being punished for being stuck in 1 place but you can cheese your way out of it by going back and forth

[rich ember]

well i tried looking it up for a better understanding of the issue, but I can't find any clips of it.

[teal fractal]

there isnt any yeah

but its a rather random thing to clip anyway

[rich ember]

i mean

[teal fractal]

i found out about it in some random recommended video

its actually busted lol ive been using it since

[rich ember]

i would think if it's as major of a problem as you're making it out to be, that someone would've mentioned it as an issue somewhere.

[teal fractal]

its not major but still pretty bs

just a cheap way to get yourself out of a situation you should 100% lose

[rich ember]

okay so what i'm getting is "abuseable movement" = "shit that does not function correctly".

am i right

[teal fractal]

yes

actually slide of 5 is pretty broken too you can get so many zerg kills with the slide

[rich ember]

yeah but the slide is counterable if you aim.

[teal fractal]

yes and no

[rich ember]

because as you said most people can't.

[teal fractal]

yes

thats why it feels so cheap to use

[rich ember]

so it wouldn't be as broken

if people could aim

[teal fractal]

yes and no

you can still slide zerg into good players and win

[rich ember]

the solution to this problem is to motivate people to aim better.

[teal fractal]

nah its just to have 42 slide

[rich ember]

if they're distracted by other things.

[teal fractal]

ideal slide

[rich ember]

still, motivating people to get better is never a bad thing.

if anything, not doing so makes games worse.

[teal fractal]

yeah because you almost never hyperfixate on someone slide zerging through doors and corners lol

unless youre particularly waiting and aware of that player coming and doing that

prefire enter the door with slide with some broken gun and youre pretty much unkillable

[rich ember]

i mean i have gotten killed by someone running up on me because I was assuming that i had teammates covering the area leading up to me when i did not

but that's due to me playing in public lobbies

and trying to trust my teammates (terrible mistake)

[teal fractal]

that happens in every bf game

theres always random players in weird places

[rich ember]

but still. I don't see what's wrong with allowing movement that makes it so there has to be some effort put in to get a kill on someone doing it.

[teal fractal]

i feel like it makes it easier

youre harder to punish and you have more options to do weird stuff and to kill others

[rich ember]

Not really, because you have to consider that the person doing the movement also has to have good aim to keep their aim on someone while moving.

[teal fractal]

well it isnt very difficult with bf players being very stationary

[rich ember]

I don't think jump-peaking and sliding are very hard to punish if you have good aim.

[rich ember]

well that's the problem, but it's not a problem for the game to solve through mechanics.

that's a problem the players have to solve for themselves.

[teal fractal]

and the targets are easy to hit ingeneral

easy to play guns, large slow targets

[rich ember]

Put simply, they have to get better.

[teal fractal]

it isnt a skill issue to die to a random zerger

[rich ember]

it's not the game's job to make up for the shortcomings of the players.

[teal fractal]

that would mean that the random guy that just so happened to be behind you is somehow better

equally random

id never expect people to zerg through doors with insane slides from right to left or back

[rich ember]

why not, if you know it's possible.

[teal fractal]

because its random

why would you do it

[rich ember]

but you know it's possible.

[teal fractal]

yes but its still random

[rich ember]

but you know it's possible, therefore it can be countered. we're not talking about broken mechanics here.

[teal fractal]

its like someone walking ontop of your nade that you just threw to kill you and die afterwards its random lol

its like the most braindead unthinkable thing

[teal fractal]

i average 4kpm and peak at 6kpm+ if i tryhard heavily i can definitely tell that you arent able to counter every minor thing

even if youre aware of it being in the game

theres 32 players they could be anywhere at any point at any time

[rich ember]

and I don't expect people to, but I don't think there's anything wrong with making it so people have to learn at least how to counter some things like people jumppeaking a corner or sliding.

[teal fractal]

it isnt something you learn lol

you cant learn to fight random players that spawn behind you

[rich ember]

you don't learn how people move when they're jumping? You don't learn how fast people are when they're sliding?

We're not talking about random spawns, i'm talking about people jumping around a corner to challenge you.

[teal fractal]

this depends on movement options

[rich ember]

Yes, I am aware.

[teal fractal]

when youre airstraifing youve only got 2 options

and youre still a slow big target

so i dont find it abusable

but youve got 4 ways to slide in bf5 and you can do it at the most random bs given time and kill 3-4 people

[true viper]

Bf3 aek sweats jumping every .2 seconds

[rich ember]

clearly you are faster than most people expect when you're going through the air because just doing that is enough to deal with someone that can't aim.

[rich ember]

but you stlll move predictably when sliding, and we're not talking about bugged hitboxes or anything, so you can still aim and shoot at the guy.

[teal fractal]

yes its timing based obviously

the entire point of it is to make you unpredictable

thats why its not something you just learn to play against

[rich ember]

being able to react to things is a good skill to have, but most people don't have it.

[teal fractal]

youre always caught offguard by something eventually

[true viper]

Jumping, sliding, peaking, etc should lower accuracy or rather increase the recoil a lot

moving faster plus changing hit box at the cost of accuracy

[teal fractal]

if youve got 4 options with slide movement and slide for a short quick moment it isnt predictable

[rich ember]

that's just the natural state of things. I just don't think there should be heavily limited player movement like BF1 for the sake of people that can't really aim or react quickly to anything.

[teal fractal]

if its predictable then youre just playing badly lol

[teal fractal]

i dont think bf1 movement is heavily limited

[rich ember]

it is.

[true viper]

You can’t even tbag more than 3 times without getting stuck in the ground

[rich ember]

Sliding is basically worthless and they removed everything that made BF4's movement interesting.

[teal fractal]

its not movement based gameplay but its definitely not limited by movement

[true viper]

In bf1

[teal fractal]

again it isnt worthless

[rich ember]

yes it is.

[teal fractal]

i think i had 91 kill cq videos i use it pretty often

i slide behind cover when i run upto it

because it makes my head less visible

which is common sense

and im not sure whats useless about it but sure

[rich ember]

if you're already running up to cover from behind, then what benefit does sliding give you over crouching.

same benefit.

[teal fractal]

its faster to slide than to crouch walk behind cover

[rich ember]

run up to cover and then crouch

[teal fractal]

then youre visible

[rich ember]

or just crouch walk because you're behind cover anyway, unless you're getting flanked it's a nonissue.

[teal fractal]

i can see you run upto your position

so its pretty useless lol

[teal fractal]

slow

[rich ember]

and if you're getting flanked and you slide, you're having a bad time because you can't aim while sliding.