battlefield-legacy-titles

[west mirage]

She did, she said "2042 didn't meet the expectations"

[hasty marsh]

what it needs is authenticity
not "historical authenticity", but authenticity from the design. Show us a game where the devs really care about creating an experience, rather than chasing trends for money or social clout or pride

[young saddle]

it needs to be gritty

A BF3 SOLDIER ONCE SAID

THEY GOT ME PINNED IN THE A$$ OVER HERE

i need those screaming

SOUNDS

voicelines

[solar nexus]

Bf5 director said they tried to be historically accurate and it backfired

[young saddle]

testosterone

[obsidian hinge]

In this age of gaming we won't get better than 50% experience 50% chasing trends

[young saddle]

i hate the trend of micro transactions

id prefer them bringing back premium

than lootboxes

or do it like bf1

[thick seal]

enemy mother fucking infantry right there!

[hasty marsh]

5 does not have this "authenticity". It focused on shoving cosmetics into a setting where they didnt work, wasted time on modes nobody cared about like comp or coop or a br, made maps that were designed to be pretty rather than convey a tone. Its all manufactures, soulless.

[thick seal]

the battle chatter in bf3 was excellent

[young saddle]

we need real marines to voice this game

[obsidian hinge]

Thats why they hired real military veterans to help shape the games gritiness

[west mirage]

More like make Classes have "Recognizable Silhouette/make it recognizable" again

[hasty marsh]

BF1 may not have been remotely historically authentic, but god was it authentically made. Honest, fun, down to earth

[young saddle]

and no clown santa claus looking mfs

serious skins

[young saddle]

source?

[obsidian hinge]

Jackfrags video I think

Don't remember which one

[young saddle]

jackfrags the type of guy to say bf2042 was a masterpiece for 500 Dollars

[obsidian hinge]

Hahahahha so true

[west mirage]

Seriously BC2-BF1 have Classes with recognizable silhouette that makes you recognize what type of classes that your ally or enemy is using, idk if they will sell skins (which is obvious that they will) but make it sure that they will still have that recognizable features/silhouette

[young saddle]

i would bash the hell out of dice if I think their game is bad

freedom of speech

and I decide to preach

[hasty marsh]

Its not even that hard to do both.

Just look at a game like team fortress

[young saddle]

best game btw

[hasty marsh]

correct

[obsidian hinge]

Team fortress 2 banger

[thick seal]

bfv sort of had the silhouette too, their animations were all unique for each class

less obvious and distinct tho

[young saddle]

i watched my brother play bf3 on his gaming pc in like 2012, my sister bought him the limited edition.
I started playing bc2 on the ps3 in like 2014

i was grinding the hell out of it

[west mirage]

Like Medic should have a Cross Symbol in their helmets and arm patches, Support have ammo belts around their chest, Engineer having Launchers always in their back even if they don't equip one and Recons with Radios on their back

[hasty marsh]

yeah youre not finding the animation difference between assaults semi auto rifles and recons semi auto rifles

[hasty marsh]

Medic should have a Cross Symbol in their helmets and arm patches, Support have ammo belts around their chest
These dont cast a sillhouette well.

[young saddle]

I still believe it was a mistake to take bc2 from the stores

[west mirage]

That's the thing it was less obvious and distinct especially when they equip the "Elite Skin"

[young saddle]

should have given it easy anticheat

[thick seal]

its just how the soldier carried themselves, you could tell after you played it enough by their movement what class it was

but i would prefer the old design where you cant have elite skins lol

[young saddle]

make this game for people over 18

[west mirage]

Just giving an example also tbf BF3's support class have ammo around their body for the US side while the RU have huge ammo packs around their body

[young saddle]

no pussy shittalking

dont give the playable characters names

call them engineer, support, medic, recon

[hasty marsh]

I would split it into two categories: headwear and backwear. A class will either have a rucksack or no rucksack, and will either have light headwear or a helmet.

assault: helmet, no rucksack
engineer: light headwear, rucksack
support: helmet, rucksack
recon: light headwear, no rucksack

This should make each one pretty easy to spot while still allowing for flexible customization.

[west mirage]

I have a feeling they will go back to BFV's customization where you pick a Classes and their will be a set of playable characters that you choose

[young saddle]

dont like it tbh

bf4 was perfect

you have the base of a character

maybe jungle look maybe white maybe black

simple

this aint some model stages

[hasty marsh]

i mean, that was mostly fine to me since idk what else you would call face selections. "black guy 01"?

[thick seal]

bfv's was very close to being great, it just had a bunch of bad options in it rather than good authentic skins

[west mirage]

But if you ask me it's a better comprise at least we're still having an actual Classes instead of the stupid Specialist system

[obsidian hinge]

I also have that feeling

[hasty marsh]

V was an unfocused mess. Its like if you shoved BF1, BF2, and BFHeroes into a blender and created one frankengame

[young saddle]

you are feeling for 5 hours rn

[obsidian hinge]

Makes the most sense skins wise

[obsidian hinge]

Ye

[young saddle]

dont insult those games ..

[thick seal]

bfv's skins right now are much better than launch. like you can make british soldiers that look like ww2 british soldiers, which you couldnt do at launch

[young saddle]

BFHeroes was my childhood like bfp4f

[hasty marsh]

I mean, 1 and 2 are pretty good games, nothing wrong with them.
bananas and ham are also both tasty but if I shoved them in a blender I would get garbage

[obsidian hinge]

BC2 and 3 was my childhood

Then 4 came out

Whaaat

[west mirage]

As much as I like to and find it perfect it's just that I'm being realistic here since Premium is definitely not coming back and as usual we're using the Battle Pass system for monetization

[young saddle]

put vanilla and banana

[young saddle]

i hope premium comes back

just for nostalgic purposes

[obsidian hinge]

Not a hope in hell

[hasty marsh]

i can dream

[obsidian hinge]

Yes we all can

[west mirage]

It won't since the the gaming industry moved on to Battle Passes

[hasty marsh]

i can at least hope, if they insist on live service, that they read the damn room and move away from the current formula

[young saddle]

i crap on the entire industry

valve did the same ting

thing

no battle pass

tf2

[thick seal]

?

[young saddle]

that is doing just fine

[obsidian hinge]

I think they confirmed live service no?

Didn't they say that

[thick seal]

they invented the battlepass brother

[hasty marsh]

tf2 predates the battlepass and also invented lootboxes

[west mirage]

But it has lootbox tbf? Like Cases

[thick seal]

first battlepass is valve dota 2

they made it.

[obsidian hinge]

Like its going to be a "tremendous live service" or was that 2042

[young saddle]

nvm my bad

didnt buy a single one so I always forget them

[thick seal]

you can blame valve for most industry trends

they are smart people

[obsidian hinge]

But you can't blame them for the masterpieces of tech and games they made

[young saddle]

Left 4 Dead 2 was a major success and had no lootboxes

no custom skins

it had workshop support and did fine on its own

[west mirage]

Valve strive off on players spending money on cases especially on CS cuz you can sell CS skins in exchange for real money

[young saddle]

it has its own category and is leading it (fps zombie coop=

[west mirage]

Best example is the Dragon Lore Skin

[hasty marsh]

but, tf2's free updates were more refreshing. They made stuff that would add value to the game, and released it when it was ready (until they fucked it up in 2016). Tf2 wasnt trying to micromanage your time with fear or missing out and it wasnt shoving out content for the sake of a quota. Stuff was more creative

[young saddle]

technically you could sell csgo skins for money

updating bf2042 rn just for portal. I hate the base game

[thick seal]

l4d2 is probably nothing compared to dota 2

[young saddle]

i get what you mean but their marketing was comepletely different

l4d2 was just a polished game which was perfect

[west mirage]

But they were different back then

[thick seal]

oh yeah, it's a fucking awesome game

[obsidian hinge]

@young saddle You saw dm?

[thick seal]

but they're making billions

[young saddle]

send again leon

i cant click back and forth

[west mirage]

Valve today is focused on making money through Steam sales, Cases, Battlepass and more

[hasty marsh]

sort of. Usually valve will invent something then the industry will twist it into something insufferable.
Like lootboxes for example. In tf2 and cs theyre tied to an economy, the scarcity of certain items translates to real value, so a trading and collecting scene can form. Then other games dont have that aspect, so its just the gambling.

[thick seal]

they're a live serve game dev now

[west mirage]

And I won't blame them since they earn fatload of cash

[thick seal]

tf2, dota 2, cs2, and their new game deadlock

[young saddle]

they already did everything

half life

[thick seal]

deadlock's gonna be huge

[young saddle]

was a MAJOR SUCCESS

[hasty marsh]

its so fucking good dude

they made gateway drugs for mobas

[west mirage]

Yeah and where's Half Life 3?

[thick seal]

i havent played it but icefrog's a baller

[hasty marsh]

white sands

[thick seal]

im kind of afraid to get addicted to another Icefrog game

[young saddle]

bro they cant count to 3

[hasty marsh]

I wouldnt be suprised if Robin Walker was also on this. Development started right after jungle inferno, and the writing feels a lot like tf2 (if not a bit more serious)

[west mirage]

And that Valve realized they'll make more money towards live service than making more games

[young saddle]

havent played deadlock and i prolly wont

im not a fan of those games

im a tf2 enjoyer at most

[hasty marsh]

it will ruin your life, its addicting

[young saddle]

good

not for me then xd

[limber bough]

Another hero shooter with nightmare levels of shit tier balance

[young saddle]

why does it take so long to update a game on the EA App

[west mirage]

It is but I already moved from playing Moba since I don't wanna get hooked on playing mobas again

[young saddle]

who programmed this dog launcher

[hasty marsh]

Another hero shooter
its more like 3rd person dota than an overwatch clone

[limber bough]

I know what it is

[hasty marsh]

balance definitley needs work, bebop is a menace atm

[west mirage]

Pretty much but the balance yeah

Least it's not as bad as when they released Monkey King in Dota 2 or the R8 revolver right?

[hasty marsh]

shiv at launch

It is a bit of a shame that "hero shooter" has gained such a stigma. A lot of games either shoved a hero system where it isnt needed or tried to make shitty overwatch. But a hero system does have a lot of potential for adding crazy stuff to your game, since you have more ways to balance out items and can get really creative with how the game plays.
(not to say bf should have this, just speaking in general)

[west mirage]

The problem is that most FPS these days as what you said trying to make a shitty overwatch clone

And we're sick of it

It was either a Hero Shooter or a Milsim

[thick seal]

i'm definitely hesitant to get into deadlock due to that

[hasty marsh]

the deeper problem is FPS games releasing that just focus on trends and mtx. Shoving a hero system is just a symptom of that.

[obsidian hinge]

Deadlock is boring and I don't understand it. Probably a really bad take but still

Never been into that kind of game genre except for like Ow but its not the same

It feels like 3d LoL

[thick seal]

it's made by the guy who designed dota 2

[hasty marsh]

thats pretty much it.

[thick seal]

so its 3d dota 2

[west mirage]

Well tbf do they really have to make it a hero shooter in order to sell skins and cosmetics?

[thick seal]

as a shooter

[obsidian hinge]

Sorry if anyone likes Dota 2

But I don't really like i

[thick seal]

its ok not everybody has to like the same stuff. but dota 2 is genius level

icefrog's a god

[hasty marsh]

they see the success and hype generated by OW hero reveals, new smash characters, and the like. Its trend chasing.

[hasty marsh]

havent played it and what I have heard sounds miserable.

[west mirage]

Yeah but at the same time countless of games died because of that

With recently Concord

[thick seal]

the game itself is brilliant. the community is the problem

its best played with a full 5 stack, and most people dont play it that way, so..

people get mad

[hasty marsh]

and so the trend will die.
Granted, with marvel rivals and deadlock proving successful, I think concord just died because it was fugly and cringe

[west mirage]

If I had a nickel for every time they release another Hero Shooter, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice

[west mirage]

Then we're fucked honestly cuz I'm sick of hero shooters being the new multiplayer that they advertise

Hell I would kill for a Multiplayer Pvp that is similar to the Last of Us Factions or a evolution to that

[hasty marsh]

im sick of inauthentic games. If a game is a hero shooter, then fine, but it has to convince me that it truly wants to be a hero shooter and cares about quality.

if a new game released that felt and played like tf2 id pick it up in a heartbeat, hero shooter or not.

[west mirage]

Here the thing I don't have problems with having Hero Shooters but if thats genre they're selling rn then it is a problem

[thick seal]

i never really considered tf2 to be hero anyway

class based shooter

[obsidian hinge]

Nah they are "heroes" pretty much I think but like 2042 into classes

[west mirage]

Cuz it was a Class-Based through the way they structured it

[thick seal]

tf2 clears most hero shooters im just gonna say it

[hasty marsh]

Im going to be real, this is semantics that the tf2 players throw around because they dont like the association.
Tf2 is a hero shooter, and thats fine. Because the game is extremely good, and its 9 heroes are more deep than any other games on the market

[thick seal]

at least theres no stupid ultimates

[hasty marsh]

"ubercharge is ready"

"mmmmmmmmmmmmph"

"trumpet noises"

[obsidian hinge]

That is like an ult embedded into a normal healing mechanic

Just an ability basically

[hasty marsh]

its more like a progenitor to the common ultimates

earlier in the evolutionary tree.

[obsidian hinge]

Ye

[thick seal]

cool teamwork ability, not an ultimate

[obsidian hinge]

I guess

[hasty marsh]

the entire pacing of a match usually revolves around popping uber, its not that different from an ult

[thick seal]

🤷‍♂️

[hasty marsh]

(once again tf2 players go into semantics because they dont like an association)

[thick seal]

its still not the same as every hero having ultimates

[obsidian hinge]

This is a pointless argument xD

[thick seal]

agreed

[random blade]

I've hated any moba i've ever tried, my friends are league fanatics but I couldn't care less about it, yet deadlock is fun. Strange how that works out :/

[obsidian hinge]

Not your argument just the discussion in general

[hasty marsh]

I think a big part is that a 3rd person shooter is just more familiar and easier to get into than 1990's rts controls.

[obsidian hinge]

Huh nice

[random blade]

That's the main thing. The general process of interaction with league is dull

[thick seal]

im not even really a tf2 player haha, i stopped a long long time ago

its just a great game and i recognize greatness

[random blade]

but deadlock has surprisingly dense movement with good gunfight feel

[hasty marsh]

deadlock works, IMO, because it is many simple systems with a lot of depth.
Like movemet, for example. Its all fairly intuitive, you spend a stamina point to dash and most are clear off the bat. But the system invites tons of choice and tradeoffs.

even if it wasnt a moba, the combat and movement could hold its own.

[thick seal]

no sprint button is also an interesting choice

just autosprint after no combat right?

it seems very simple and fluid

[hasty marsh]

you need to buy it from the shop (unless you are playing Bebop)

so once again theres a tradeoff. You can have autosprint after combat, but it takes an item slot.

otherwise people would just click the sprint button whenever not in combat, like in BF or cod or any other game, which is just kinda boring.

[random blade]

And that's exactly the kind of system I want. One with choice and consequence, mechanics that require different usages in different contexts. Simple in premise but many games don't offer anything with even that much depth

[hasty marsh]

"simple yet deep" is so good for games. Big reason I still play tf2, the rocket launcher alone embodies this principle perfectly

[random blade]

and the other tf2 aswell

[hasty marsh]

People scoff at battlefield 2 for having stamina and for losing ammo when you reload, but those simple things added so much choice even when out of combat.

and, IMO, is a much more interesting skill ceiling than "click on people fast and slide"

[random blade]

sometimes things like that can get in the way but if the game uses it to push a certain game feel then it can definitely work

case in point, helldivers

if you panic due to large numbers and reload early you lose the mag, which trains you to maintain some level of composure amidst the chaos

[hasty marsh]

it just needs to be designed with it in mind, rather than just slapping the system onto an existing game

BF1 has a lot of run with this due to the wierd reload systems on many guns.

[obsidian hinge]

Which reload system?

[hasty marsh]

the stripper clips or the occasional wierd reload like the mg08/18 or perino

[obsidian hinge]

Oooh yeah

[random blade]

yeah that kinda stuff's neat

not necessarily a mechanic but the longer reloads can add to the overall atmopshere potentially

[hasty marsh]

not just that theyre longer, but that they depend on how much you've shot.

[random blade]

yeye

[obsidian hinge]

Yeah the LMG is so bad

Shoot out all rounds makes it sooo much faster

[random blade]

although I will say there are some times where I just don't jive with the gameplay style such mechanics introduce, it depends a lot on the game

[obsidian hinge]

Its good but it is bad when it comes to the reload

[random blade]

like if they add the sway mechanics from tarkov into bf I'd just not have a good time, even if they make the rest of the game fit more into that style

[obsidian hinge]

Oh god no

[hasty marsh]

I dont see a sway mechanic adding interesting choices, at least for BF

[obsidian hinge]

Like inertia and shit

Disgusting for a BF game

[hasty marsh]

all games have inertia

[obsidian hinge]

Well the extent Tarkov has

[hasty marsh]

(unless their movement is really undercooked)

[random blade]

and tarkov's is downright broken anyways

[obsidian hinge]

True

[hasty marsh]

Inertia is mostly to prevent a-d spam

[random blade]

tarkov is the worst feeling game ever in terms of action fluidity, it's honestly funny at times

[wary sigil]

tarkov sucks

[obsidian hinge]

It doesn't suck its just kinda sad how bad the devs are

And the new edition

[wary sigil]

i think its kinda sad how traumatized the BF reddit is bruh

all posts about BF6 are negative

[random blade]

Another game I tried to get into but just couldn’t

[random blade]

Not surprised

[obsidian hinge]

I got addicted sadly but now I have started to play less and less

[random blade]

I’m not feeling over the moon about bf myself and I’m usually rather optimistic

[hasty marsh]

the game that did sway best, IMO, is red orchestra 2.
In that game sway is curbed by breathing in, which is a resource to manage. Its also effected by low stamina and moralle, giving an advantage to managing both and creating some terrifying moments when moralle is low.

[wary sigil]

the sprint animation in the internat pre alpha build is not as fluid as they wanted
"ITS LITERALLY BF2042 AGAIN; BATTLEFIELD HAS FALLEN, BILLIONS MUST COD"

[random blade]

It’s fluid, just not of the animation style some people want

[hasty marsh]

there is little reason to be excited for the next bf game.
all we know is that they wont make the same mistakes as 2042, which by no means excludes the game from bombing

[wary sigil]

Whats the animation style they want then

[hasty marsh]

theyre placeholder animations for an AI tech demo

[wary sigil]

"its too call of duty" okay and? infinity ward's animation style is just good, blame MW19 for raising the standard

[obsidian hinge]

Animations are good

Wdym

[wary sigil]

im saying that

[random blade]

It’s not something that can be easily described, but I’m just saying it’s fluid, but just doesn’t look right

[hasty marsh]

we dont even know if those are BF6 guns. The characters were generated as part of the demo and arent from the next bf. Its a frostbite demo

[obsidian hinge]

Yeah but the animations look pretty realistic

[random blade]

But yeah it’s a test so it shouldn’t be taken to literally

[wary sigil]

my point is: complaining about the animations for what is likely engine footage with possible game assets for a game that is like 14 months away is unseriously silly

that said

[random blade]

Heck, nothing we say from the EA play show ever actually ended up existing

[wary sigil]

the shotgun's firing animations is the same as 2042's MCS 880 if im not mistaken

[hasty marsh]

BF players will only get hyped when the beta is in their goddamn hands

[obsidian hinge]

I am going to get hyped by just a teaser

[hasty marsh]

for good reason

[wary sigil]

I think we're good in being skeptical until the game is in our hands

[random blade]

Or when a flashy trailer drops

[wary sigil]

but being overly negative is silly

unlike cod where its stuck on a very unhealthy cycle

[random blade]

Yuh. Be skeptical, look forward to new insights, but we will only be certain once we get to properly observe and play the game

[obsidian hinge]

CoD is just brainrot at this point

[wary sigil]

I think we have information to be cautiously optimistic now, but i'd still keep distance

[hasty marsh]

granted so far we have heard:
Leho left due to creative issues
"Its a tremendous live service"
Possibly has a BR
And a bunch of concept art that is looking increasingly like ai

[obsidian hinge]

Keep in mind tho, EA/DICE are being super open about the game by releasing the community program early next year

They wouldn't do that if its trash

[wary sigil]

i agreee with all of these

[obsidian hinge]

They would make it quiet like 2042 up until release

[wary sigil]

that said, "tremendous live service" is corpospeak

[obsidian hinge]

It looks like AI but the one from IGN is a real city

So weird for them to make it AI

[random blade]

That’s a point. It speaks to a much more positive development cycle

[wary sigil]

i do think cod does a decent job at seasonal content and so could dice, but... yeah

[hasty marsh]

the 2042 alpha being NDA'd should have been the first red flag in retrospect. If we can watch the early program then its a good sign

[obsidian hinge]

True xD

[wary sigil]

tbf most alpha's are NDA

[obsidian hinge]

Playtesting and shit like that is probably NDA so lets see if its NDA with the community program

[hasty marsh]

rarely is AI art done purely with a prompt. Prompts arent specific enough. Usually you give it a sample image and iterate over time.
This makes a lot of sense for concept art, to be fair. The main point is to quickly try out aesthetics, so stuff like AI artifacts arent much of a problem.

[wary sigil]

I feel like rn we've heard enough things to be optimistic yet cautious, cause last game was traumatic and we do have some causes for concern

[obsidian hinge]

Fair enough

[hasty marsh]

my issue is that all the "good news" is stuff like "we wont try to make it a hero shooter again" and "there is a scoreboard", which isnt exactly a high bar

[obsidian hinge]

But I will still be hyped until I get disappointed with having pre ordered a bad game

"There is a scoreboard" HAHAHAH. I still cannot believe there wasn't one in 2042

[wary sigil]

i do think the "battlefield universe" and battle royale thing are the biggest red flags i see, cause it points to a CoD HQ and Warzone type thing, and that backfired so badly that they're undoing all of that right now and that is why warzone has barely gotten content in a year, cause building one base game and making things from that just breaks everything

[obsidian hinge]

Kind of a negative take

[wary sigil]

At least BF is not a yearly release, but my god the navigation through the CoD HQ is beyond fucking horrible

[wary sigil]

it is

[hasty marsh]

"battlefield universe"
This one is really wierd because noone really cares about the BF canon. Theres like 3-4 seperate canons and they tend to contradict themselves, and have poor worldbuilding

[obsidian hinge]

I don't think its going to be anything like CoD

[hasty marsh]

Battlefield already has a cod hq type system in its UI and has had it since hardline.

[wary sigil]

i honestly think they're rebooting all narratives and making a new story from where to continue the narrative

thats the "bf universe"

[obsidian hinge]

Well not to the extent like CoD. And if they did something like the HQ thing. It would probably be better

[wary sigil]

likely

hope the BR is good

[hasty marsh]

bring back the Battlefield 2 canon where Russia is allied with the west and Saudi Arabia invades Pennsylvania.
Peak

[obsidian hinge]

Yeah bring back the BF2 cannon

[wary sigil]

wasn't something said about "NATO vs PMCs" thing

[obsidian hinge]

That didn't work

[hasty marsh]

tom henderson leak

[wary sigil]

or like UN vs PMC

i think it could be an interesting setting

[hasty marsh]

TBH, NATO vs a PMC is a more plausible scenario than most BF games

[wary sigil]

they could build a banger campaign from it

[obsidian hinge]

I mean yeah but US vs RU isn't not plausible

[wary sigil]

mfw shadow company in battlefield............

[hasty marsh]

Its not plausible because they would glass eachother in a few hours

[obsidian hinge]

Oh in that way yeah

[wary sigil]

it would be a proxy war likely

so not actually us vs russia

[hasty marsh]

Maybe if they made a grim scenario where the war lasts a week it could work, but the war in Iran from BF3 is just silly.
Especially since a fucking nuke goes off in france, NATO blames russia, but somehow doesnt respond with a nuclear strike

[wary sigil]

BF campaigns are..... yeah not very good

[random blade]

Who?

[thick seal]

bf is good at a lot of things, writing is not one of them

[obsidian hinge]

Shadow company from CoD

[random blade]

Oh I’ve got no idea who they are

[hasty marsh]

Or BF4 where China invades the entirety of Asia, including their allies in North Korea, for.... reasons

[thick seal]

and whoever made bad company as good as it was is long gone

[wary sigil]

a stand in for blackwater i think

[obsidian hinge]

Because they are the "shadow" company

[hasty marsh]

Shadow company is the squad from modern warfare iirc

Oh wait no its this

Shadow Company is a private military company led by General Shepherd that betrays Task Force 141 in the campaign of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

[wary sigil]

the pmc used by a US general to do war crimes basically

[obsidian hinge]

"The aim is currently for 45 different weapons on launch, double that of what Battlefield 2042’s core multiplayer experience launched with."

Sounds pretty good

[hasty marsh]

where is this?

[wary sigil]

where was that said

i'd say 45 weapons is a decent amount

still less than BF4 so someone's gonna complain

[obsidian hinge]

True but rather less weapons if they are better quality etc

[hasty marsh]

no, you see, we need 16 assault rifles with 30 round mags that fire 556 on a sliding scale of bloom to fire rate.

[wary sigil]

yea

mfw 3 separate remington 700s in mw2

[obsidian hinge]

Look dm

[hasty marsh]

granted thats part of their weapon trees system right?

[obsidian hinge]

The post was linked but don't wanna link it incase its bannable

[wary sigil]

it was hit or miss, the M4 (AR15) platform had solid variety but then the remingto 700 platform was basically just 3 versions of the same gun

[hasty marsh]

including Gibraltar (as seen in the game’s first released concept art) and the USA
hmm?

[wary sigil]

between 2027 and 2030
fucking cook?

[hasty marsh]

thats pretty standard for modern BF, its always a few years off

[obsidian hinge]

Yes sir

You know whats funny

[hasty marsh]

Kinda dissapointed its a worldwide setting. I liked how 3 and 4 were a grounded conflict in one place, and it means maps will take longer to make

[obsidian hinge]

BF4 was based in 2020 and it was China's fault in the story

Thats some weird coincidence

[wary sigil]

It's a good setting

[hasty marsh]

how the hell are they going to explain a war in the Untied States?

[obsidian hinge]

Untied states???

[random blade]

Wait there’s more info?

[hasty marsh]

Henderson mentioned maps in the USA

[obsidian hinge]

Alright

[random blade]

Ah, course it’s Henderson

[obsidian hinge]

I was stating the word Untied

[hasty marsh]

The game will be set in various locations worldwide, including Gibraltar (as seen in the game’s first released concept art) and the USA, which is also believed to be the setting for the Battle Royale experience (tropical location).
Ok maybe its Hawaii

[hasty marsh]

yeah the untied states of armenia

[wary sigil]

inb4 its orbital

it would be unironically funny

my hot take is that i enjoyed orbital, renewal and manifest from 2042

[hasty marsh]

manifest 🤮

[wary sigil]

the rest are... uh not good to play but those 3 were fun

[hasty marsh]

complete misuse of verticality

[wary sigil]

hourglass is insane to me

10 maps? solid i guess

[obsidian hinge]

Ye like BF4

[wary sigil]

tbh to me its less about how many maps are there, but how they play

if you have 5 maps and all 5 are fun to play, are visually attractive, thats enough

[obsidian hinge]

Yeah but take into account how Vince talked about the maps

[hasty marsh]

and the variety of them.
If theyre as copy and paste as BFV then it will be stale

[wary sigil]

you can have 16 maps but if not one is fun to play

ahem

mw19

[obsidian hinge]

And that its 64 players now so less of the big deserted maps

Most likely

[wary sigil]

hopefully

[hasty marsh]

the bigger bottleneck on map design is usually art rather than gameplay.

[obsidian hinge]

I mean by now they know how bad the 2042 maps were because they remade them a bit so they were atleast playable

[wary sigil]

I actually fully believe hourglass was made for a cinematic trailer and thats it

[obsidian hinge]

xD true. The gameplay trailer too

[wary sigil]

like

yeah

[hasty marsh]

hourglass is like Sinai desert but they forgot that the desert was just there for G point

[wary sigil]

soldiers coming out of the dunes and running into the city is badass as hell for an action sequence, gameplay wise though? lmao get sniped

[obsidian hinge]

Ye

[wary sigil]

and while on maps and all that

how are they gonna set the BR apart

[solar nexus]

Should the next battlefield have a map equivalent to siege of Shanghai where you can collapse an entire building

Vince Zampella said they are looking into what made bf3/4 great

[hasty marsh]

(it will die on arrival)

[obsidian hinge]

Nooo dude

Firestorm was banger

[solar nexus]

They will abandon it just like portal and hazard zone

The br is gonna be f2p

[obsidian hinge]

I bet they can make another good BR

[hasty marsh]

I hope that, at least, the BR map plays into conquest somehow

[solar nexus]

The former warzone lead is responsible for that

[obsidian hinge]

It kind of did in BFV

There were points you could capture to get nice weapons and gear

[west mirage]

45 Weapons is enough and those who disagree and liked the 22 weapons at launch during 2042 can get out

[obsidian hinge]

Hahha true

22 is literally unacceptable

[west mirage]

Is absurd that some defended it

Before it was launch

Most AAA Multiplayer shooter that I know of have 30+ weapons at launch

Or at the very least is more than 22

[hasty marsh]

Fun fact: battlefield 2 had more guns

[hasty marsh]

I mean more in the sense of there being a conquest cutout on the BR map or something. Something to make it more integrated with the game as a whole

[obsidian hinge]

Aah

[west mirage]

Hell BF1 had small amounts of weapons but due to the Variants it was doubled

[hasty marsh]

BF1 had 48 weapons not including variants

[west mirage]

Launch?

[obsidian hinge]

Ye so thats good

Ye

[hasty marsh]

Yes
For whatever reason, half of BF1's weapons are pistols

[west mirage]

Aren't they 35?

[obsidian hinge]

Anyone here got the peacekeeper revolver

I did 🙂

[hasty marsh]

BF1 had 6 primaries per class, 6 all class pistols, 12 class specific pistols, and the tanker weapons

[west mirage]

Nah I still did not get it but I will someday

[hasty marsh]

so 6x8 = 48

[west mirage]

The amount of EE that I have to do but at least you can do it solo unlike BF4

I wanted to the Phantom Program EE

[hasty marsh]

tbh I almost suspect BF1 had pistols as a primary weapon at some point in its development. Thats the only reason I can see to make so many secondaries

[west mirage]

But I play solo

[obsidian hinge]

Ye, I got it it was pretty easy when there was a dedicated server for it to help others

But the DICE LA camo is pretty easy to get

And the normal DICE

[west mirage]

Yeah cuz it kinda made sense also since carbines during that time were just Pistols with stocks

[hasty marsh]

No, carbines were usually shortened bolt action rifles. BF1, for whatever reason, doesnt include these as a weapon type (and when it does its often on a weapon that had no carbine variant).
Pistol carbines were their own thing and mostly a germany thing

[west mirage]

I see ig DICE went with the german thing

[hasty marsh]

dice was very gameplay-first with weapon choices. Pistol carbines in BF1 exist to be better pistols for classes who werent designed for combat, not much more.

then they gave them to assault and support so you could farm service stars without greifing.

[west mirage]

Speaking about the recent rumors/info it seems that the next BF have caliber based destruction

[obsidian hinge]

Yep. Sounds nice

[hasty marsh]

does this mean caliber based damage, I wonder

[west mirage]

Iirc didn't BF4's 50 Cal lets you rip enemies behind the walls?

[hasty marsh]

yeah but thats a pickup kit.
What is more interesting is if any full powered cartridge weapon can rip holes in walls. That presents interesting balance questions

[west mirage]

Basically a SMG will make pinholes while Shotguns and a 50 cal destroys the wall

Or rather penetrate it

[vale grail]

There's a mixed conquest server with about seven out of twenty to fill out. Anyone want to help us? Server number is; #24626753 on PSN.

[hasty marsh]

shotguns not gonna tear a hole in concrete.

[west mirage]

On concrete yes but on drywall or wooden walls it is

[hasty marsh]

My question though, is what about MMGs and Battle rifles? Shotguns are niche, 50 cal is a pickup kit usually, but something like a G3 could be tricky to balance if it can rip through walls and an m4 cant

[west mirage]

Welp we just have to wait and see

[vale grail]

We now have 8/20 and counting.

10/20 and counting

[silk harbor]

I just got in

I hate that these aren't the usual populated Playlist in bf1 lol I don't get why

[solid hinge]

ah i gotta reinstall BF1

[blissful bear]

where can i apply for the big playtest? (:

[young saddle]

Half of my apartment has no electricity

Gotta love german electric operators

[solid hinge]

what playtest ?

[young saddle]

No info

Gotta wait

[blissful bear]

well ^^ there said they will do a playtest early next year

[blissful bear]

yea^^

[solid hinge]

of the new game ? no way its open now

[upper berry]

Cte. It’s a community test environment to give feedback before live game or update to the live game.

[young saddle]

[blissful bear]

yes the new one and yea its not open yet 😄

[vale grail]

Sorry man, 12/20 was pretty close but we all had to do stuff

[upper berry]

Early next year they said by zampella and EA investor vid

[solid hinge]

yea you wouldnt be able to sign up now

[upper berry]

Maybe spring/summer time when they release it

[young saddle]

I hope cte returns

I will oil EA up

[upper berry]

They said it will. It’s confirmed

[solid hinge]

legit im reinstalling Battlefield 1 on my Xbox

[upper berry]

They wanna be close to the community much as possible. Hence why they took over this server again after years now.

[uneven hollow]

smh

[upper berry]

They also have X, Reddit, forums, This server. Now they will have cte again

[vale grail]

judging from the two concept arts, it looks to be in the style of bad company or BF3-esque

Hell, maybe we'll finally get bad Company 3

[upper berry]

BC3 won’t be a thing

When BF3 got leaked, people called it BC3

[young saddle]

BC3 wouldnt top bc2

I believe too much politics is involved and would make it worse

[upper berry]

I mean BC2 can lead to BF3. So it kinda make sense in a way. Due to timeline.

But I doubt they will ever go back to BC story to began with. BF3/4 have a great story to work with. Especially since 2042 takes place years after BF4

I wonder if they want to fill in the gap between BF4 and 2042. It makes since if they are doing that

[old sonnet]

Welcome to the Jungle!

Sundance will always have a place in my heart🫶

[young saddle]

Throw sundance into the trashcan

We need real mfers now

[junior torrent]

Fuck specialist

Bring back generic soldiers

[young saddle]

Exactly

[junior torrent]

And bring back better voice acting

[young saddle]

Bring back marines

Oorah

[junior torrent]

Bring back the

GRENADE GET DOWN

[young saddle]

"What a time to be alive" lol

Kids game

[junior torrent]

Bring back the

[obsidian hinge]

Chill guys specialists are gone

[junior torrent]

Bring back the

SOMEBODY GET ME OUT OF HERE

bring back the
DAMN, MAN DOWN

yes I know

[young saddle]

I need this stuff

[obsidian hinge]

And chill again the hired military vets for develpping this game

For that gritty realism

[young saddle]

Badass marines on full testosterone

[junior torrent]

And bring back classic revive

[young saddle]

Entering hell

[junior torrent]

2042 revive is shit

[young saddle]

Medic should be assault again

[junior torrent]

What's your favorite death cam?

[young saddle]

Damn

[junior torrent]

?

[young saddle]

I like bc2, bf3
Bf4 and 1 were also fine

I dont care as long its one of the two

[junior torrent]

For me

I think I like 4 death cam

[young saddle]

Clef half of my apartment still has no electricity

Im glad PC PSU's are immune to that and dont get damaged

Gn

[rustic brook]

is there anyone here that can help?

I'm trying to get on the # Stream-and-videos, but there seams to be no way to join and be able to add my clips/videos/steams. does anyone know what I can do?

[digital notch]

I hope they call it Battlefield 6

[teal fractal]

I like it more than 5

[digital notch]

dont like the whole reboot ahh name stuff like just "Battlefield" or "Call of Duty"

having a secondary name (Bad Company, Hardline, etc) to it or a number (3, 4, 1 , 2042) is just better

[junior torrent]

At least it's not worse

In 5, you're first person

In 2042, third person

Sucks balls

[teal fractal]

Quick but not as op as 1 at the same time

[teal fractal]

Why

[junior torrent]

Why??

[teal fractal]

I meant the reviving itself not revive wait

[junior torrent]

Because third person's sucks

[digital notch]

do you think they will give 2042 an offline mode? sounds ridiculous to say but I mean it does have an AI mode

[junior torrent]

Being downed in 2042 is lame

[digital notch]

Third person doesn't belong in FPS games like Battlefield or Call of Duty imo

[junior torrent]

It does have bots. But it sucks ass

[digital notch]

they are FPS games for a reason

[teal fractal]

Idk good to look around and + idc tbh i just didnt like the reviving in 5

[junior torrent]

Okay whatever

I still prefer V downed method

[teal fractal]

Such a minor thing lol i never look at the screenn when im downed anyway

[digital notch]

true ngl

[junior torrent]

It's the details man

[digital notch]

I usually just hope someone revives me

[junior torrent]

THE DETAILS

[digital notch]

if not

I just go to respawn screen

[teal fractal]

No one will genuinely care

[junior torrent]

I rarely stop my bleeding

[teal fractal]

“refunding game has third person death screen”

[junior torrent]

Lol

[teal fractal]

💀

[digital notch]

what I do hate though is people who are medic THAT DONT REVIVE

[junior torrent]

If they want me back, someone gotta be quick

[teal fractal]

I just played 42 i was surprised by how easy it is compared to older titles

[digital notch]

I got 90 hours in 2042

what about you lot

[junior torrent]

Since I stopped playing 2042 recently

[digital notch]

im a casual gamer by the way so dont expect thousands of hours from me lol

[teal fractal]

Idk my girlfriend plays it mostly ive maybe played 5 games in it

[junior torrent]

In other case, I'm excited for bf4 WR

[digital notch]

I dropped 2042

havent played it in months

[junior torrent]

Yep me too

[teal fractal]

The players are braindead in it tbh

Its so crazy

[junior torrent]

Just tired

[teal fractal]

Thry make shitty bf1 players look like gods in comparison

[digital notch]

Stadium was so bad I just couldn't be bothered with the game anymore

[random blade]

Oh the joys of no map selection

[digital notch]

I wish man

I hate the whole playlist thing where I cant choose the map, I dont like Raven or Stadium

they are terrible maps

[teal fractal]

I didnt even pay attention that theres no map vote tbh

But ive also never played the maps so i didnt really know about them anyway

[random blade]

It’s worse that the system to be able to choose a map already exists in game, just not for multiplayer

Actually playing a map I like is a good first incentive for me to keep playing

[junior torrent]

So sad

[digital notch]

probably gonna play Battlefield 1 in the lead up to Battlefield 6

[junior torrent]

You're only playing half of the game content

[teal fractal]

Lol its practically the only game ive been playing for past 4

[digital notch]

dont blame you

any other Battlefield game but 2042 for me

I would even play Battlefield 5

[junior torrent]

You on PC?

[digital notch]

yep

[junior torrent]

Are you excited for WR

[random blade]

Insert WR advert

[digital notch]

EA should really do a Battlefield collection with offline play

that could sell a lot

[junior torrent]

Hahaha doubts

[solar nexus]

https://insider-gaming.com/exclusive-new-details-on-the-next-battlefield-game/

[digital notch]

I know its EA, I keep my expectations in check

[junior torrent]

Why do you think I play bf3 with VU

[solar nexus]

Overhaul in destructions

[junior torrent]

It's the only bf I play consistently

[digital notch]

when they said community feedback or some shit

did they mean we get to playtest the game with them next year?

or was that just them referring to how internal development is going

[random blade]

We honestly have no clue

It could be the regular battlefield playtests, it could be an NDA’d closed alpha of sorts, a public access branch, it’s all up in the air

[solar nexus]

"the game would have caliber-based destruction, akin to Rainbow 6 Siege, with different calibers causing different amounts of destruction. It’s also understood that the game will see some changes to movement, with one example given by multiple sources the ability to pick up and move downed players. While this has almost certainly been incorporated for the Battle Royale experience, it’s been implied that this is all of the changes and is a part of the team’s “Battlefield moments” initiative to bring back the moments that made Battlefield… well… Battlefield."

[digital notch]

Rainbow Six Siege is probably not a good comparison as its destruction is still rather limited

but I see what the author was trying to say

[random blade]

It’s just talking about one specific element

[junior torrent]

And the games reputation is tarnished

So sad

[digital notch]

Well I mean

it is a Ubisoft game

[random blade]

I’m still not taking those articles as 100% fact though

[junior torrent]

Siege in the beginning was fine

As it grew older, it becomes shit

[digital notch]

right but Siege released before Ubisoft's downfall to be fair

like Ubisoft was just getting worse

[solar nexus]

"Insider Gaming understands that the game will take place somewhere between 2027 and 2030, with the campaign focused on a massive private military going up against NATO. The game will be set in various locations worldwide, including Gibraltar (as seen in the game’s first released concept art) and the USA, which is also believed to be the setting for the Battle Royale experience (tropical location)."

[random blade]

Picking up downed players though is an interesting idea

[solar nexus]

Siege doesn't deserve the Tom Clency's branding anymore

[digital notch]

ya know before someone says "2027 is futuristic", get ready to remind them we are in the 2020s now 💀

its crazy though

2025 is modern now

[solar nexus]

Battle royale is not interesting, they tried it and it failed

[random blade]

I never mentioned battle royale

[solar nexus]

The pmc part reminds me of advanced warfare

[digital notch]

I wonder if they will retcon 2042 since its apparently part of the Battlefield 4 timeline, like its a continuation of that

so if BF6 takes place in 2027 - 2030, I wonder if they will consider it a prequel to the events of 2042 or just no longer consider the events of 2042 canon

[royal temple]

sounds cool and all but what kind of pmc is gonna stand a chance against nato in the US

[hasty marsh]

bf timeline is poorly maintained and people generally dont care

[thick seal]

probably just a reboot

[digital notch]

I mean true I dont really care either lol

[random blade]

They could start a new one and I’d not notice

[digital notch]

I just care about hopping on conquest and doing what I always do

[hasty marsh]

It will just be a war, it wont lead into 2042 and the invasion of china wont play a part

[digital notch]

capturing zones and killing people who get in my way

[junior torrent]

I just dont work want this to always be conquest

[digital notch]

Battlefield for me at least

is just Conquest

[junior torrent]

Nah

Give me more modes

[digital notch]

other modes are irrelevant to me

[junior torrent]

I'm tired of conquest

[digital notch]

well that's the core of Battlefield

cant really change that

[junior torrent]

Time has changed

[digital notch]

it hasnt

[hasty marsh]

I wouldnt mind if other large scale, open modes were mixed in.
I wish carrier suppremacy was able to be shuffled into the conquest rotation

[digital notch]

people still play Conquest

[junior torrent]

Give me rush

Give me death match

[hasty marsh]

Yeah conquest hasnt been dethroned

[digital notch]

Deathmatch is for CoD lol

dont understand who goes to BF for deathmatch lol

[junior torrent]

Try and stop me, why don't you?

[digital notch]

you playing the wrong game

[random blade]

TDM is my most played mode in bfV by far

[digital notch]

but I dont mind it being an option ya know, you do you

[junior torrent]

Whatever

You do yours

[hasty marsh]

Deathmatch is nice if I want to just fuck around with a specific gun.
Its the myriad of random 12v12 objective modes that are useless

[junior torrent]

I do mine

[royal temple]

I want my aerial supremacy and dogfight modes back

[random blade]

The infantry mechanics are good enough to make it fun anyways. But it’s not a replacement by any means

[hasty marsh]

yeah exactly.
tank only mode would also be great

[junior torrent]

Bring back obliteration, bomb, and those obscure modes in hardline

[solar nexus]

Bring back naval combat like paracel Strom, it was one of the peak battlefield moments

[digital notch]

Battlefield is mainly just Conquest

Its also why Battlefront was mainly centered around it too

Other modes are cool too and I dont mind other options if it makes others happy but as some have said its by no means a replacement and never will be

[junior torrent]

And don't forget maps

Use all of them, no more base maps

[solar nexus]

Add something equivalent to metro

[hasty marsh]

heligoland bight remains one of, if not the most "battlefield" of bf maps in modern bf games

[random blade]

Just make the game for conquest or breakthrough and put tdm on the side and I’ll be happy. As long as the infantry systems are fun enough

[junior torrent]

A big ass problem in old BF

[solar nexus]

Black ops 2 was set in 2025

[digital notch]

well yea, that's how every Battlefield game is and will be

[junior torrent]

However

[hasty marsh]

and released in 2012

[junior torrent]

I don't like how they handle minor modes in 2042

[digital notch]

Sequel to that is coming next year too

[solar nexus]

There are a lot of people hate that map for some reason

[junior torrent]

Limited time my ass

Fuck them

[digital notch]

oh yea 2042 handled them horribly

another failure of 2042

[random blade]

Honestly

[junior torrent]

Fuck your limited time event shity

[royal temple]

Don't think 2042 has enough players to have all of them active though

[junior torrent]

Why not make them permanent

[solar nexus]

They abandoned portal and hazard zone

[junior torrent]

Dickheads

[hasty marsh]

If those modes werent limited time theyd die and clef would cry that noone wants to play them

[digital notch]

true ngl

I only ever play conquest

even when there are LTM

I just play Conquest

[junior torrent]

I want variety
Do you understand me?

[hasty marsh]

same

[digital notch]

I dont even acknowledge the existence of other modes lmao

[hasty marsh]

you want gimmicks

[random blade]

I can sort of see the reasoning, focus players in specific modes so if one comes along that you like then there’s a higher chance for it to be populated, but the alternative is that the population would be so incredibly split that it would be hard to find games

[digital notch]

I mean

think in the perspective of your typical BF gamer

they hop on BF

[junior torrent]

One obvious solution to populating them: fucken AI bots

[digital notch]

they head to conquest

that's it

[random blade]

The downtime between fun modes is annoying, but at least I know I’ll be able to find air sup matches when it’s around

[hasty marsh]

maybe breakthrough, but thats usually it

[royal temple]

conquest/breakthrough just do vehicles and infantry together the best so everyone plays that

[digital notch]

yea, I know this because I am the typical Battlefield player lol

[junior torrent]

Do you also play the same mode and map pool in other shooter games??

[hasty marsh]

thing is that the gimmick modes dont even add much variety. its always the same maps and often they have less stuff available. You can have a million small modes with different shaped objectives but it wont compare to opening up a conquest map and going "yeah go nuts do whatever you want"

[digital notch]

yes

[royal temple]

but it's easier to do variety when you only have to worry about infantry

[digital notch]

Small Map Moshpit / 10v10 Moshpit in Call of Duty

that's all I do

for CoD

[junior torrent]

Where's gun master

Where's headquarters mode

[hasty marsh]

Bomb Defusal in counter strike

[junior torrent]

That's the fun part in cod

[digital notch]

I dont care about those modes lol

I just care about the ones that give me the most dopamine

im a casual gamer

[junior torrent]

You really are a basic b

[digital notch]

I just want to do the fun stuff

yes

yes I am lol

[hasty marsh]

Deadlock has given a fuckload of replay value and not only is there only one mode, but theres only one map

[digital notch]

oh yea I play that too

[royal temple]

Fly plane, brain happy, log off, peak battlefield

[hasty marsh]

but you didnt play capture the flag or chain link. You must be bored!

[digital notch]

for me its

infantry or tank, conquer zone, kill people, im happy, log off, peak Battlefield

[junior torrent]

Log on
Play gun master

Only placed 3rd

Log off

My daily routine

[royal temple]

load bfv, fly plane for 20 seconds, eat a fliegerfaust, cry a little, go to bed

[junior torrent]

Log on
I keep wondering when WR will released

Log off

[random blade]

I do enjoy other modes, but not the super niche stuff

[digital notch]

I usually only care for a few modes in the games I play

[junior torrent]

What do you mean you don't like squad rush

[hasty marsh]

I think a mode needs a purpose beyond "we swapped out the objective for X" in order to stick around.

sorry didnt mean to reply

[digital notch]

anything outside of TDM and Kill Confirmed to me isn't Call of Duty, because I dont play those other modes

CoD to me is a TDM game

anything that's not Conquest or Breakthrough to me isn't Battlefield, because I don't play any other mode outside of those in Battlefield

[junior torrent]

What do you mean you don't like juggernaut mode in mw19

[digital notch]

in CS funnily enough

I avoid its main mode

I just play TDM

[junior torrent]

Defuse mode in 4

[digital notch]

I dont have the time to learn bomb mode tbh

also I hate modes where you cant respawn

[junior torrent]

In a wz br game, it's shit

But in other modes, it's okay

[digital notch]

BR is the worst one

[junior torrent]

Fuck wz

It ruined and tarnished cod

[digital notch]

like people only play BR cus they bought cosmetics lol

I can understand fortnite

it looks cool

I mean I played a lot of Fortnite myself

[junior torrent]

Doesn't the game have coop mode?

That zombie survival thing

[digital notch]

its a BR game

but yea it has Save the World

[junior torrent]

Well, is it boring as BF V coop mode

[digital notch]

no idea really

I just play Fortnite for the BR

[random blade]

It’s zombie building game, nuff said

[digital notch]

Fortnite does BR quite well

it makes it enjoyable

cant say the same for Warzone

[random blade]

It’s progression systems were absolute rubbish though

[junior torrent]

Delete wz

And the game size won't be gigantic

[royal temple]

no they'll still find a way lol

[digital notch]

I wish I could delete CoD HQ

[junior torrent]

Good thing I own mw19

Not the garbage MW2 AND 3

[random blade]

Can’t believe the mw3 beta was 90 GB. That’s insanity

[junior torrent]

Thank God mw19 wasn't bundled with HQ

[digital notch]

50GB was CoD HQ, 40GB was MW3 Beta

[random blade]

I hate brs but even if I did, the warzone download size is an instant turn away

[hasty marsh]

game sizes are bloated because of live service. The majority of it is high definition skin textures that are paywalled

[digital notch]

remember when GTA 5 was 40GB, I do back in 2013

how tf did it get so huge lmao

now its 100GB

[junior torrent]

All those bloated content

[digital notch]

GTA Online and its consequences

[junior torrent]

And can I just say

GTA 4 multiplayer>

Do you agree?

[digital notch]

obviously

[full nexus]

Lolno

[junior torrent]

Same thing for red dead redemption multiplayer

[random blade]

I don’t really see the appeal in gta multiplayer

[royal temple]

insane that something like warframe still manages to stay around 40gb

[full nexus]

What

[digital notch]

I mean same here

[random blade]

Surprise danielOnComputer Jumpscare

[digital notch]

I just play GTA to drive around, kill people and enjoy the open world

[junior torrent]

I still mess around in 4

With trainers

[royal temple]

I still like dogfights every once in a while there

that's about it

[junior torrent]

And also

Can I just say

Playing as NPC models> over custom player

Let's agree?

[digital notch]

tries to play GTA Online
gets killed by a hacker spawning a million trains in the air
IP gets leaked

ahhhh the GTA Online experience

[junior torrent]

And you can't get that in GTA 4

It's always calm and friendly

[royal temple]

load up gta online, fly plane for 20 seconds, eat explosive sniper bullet, get messaged IP, go to bed, peak gta

[junior torrent]

Jumps on GTA 4 multiplayer

[digital notch]

yea haha

[junior torrent]

Meet a couple of players

Kindly spawn cars and mods

[full nexus]

Boooh

[junior torrent]

Now that's generous

[digital notch]

Imagine Red Dead Redemption 2: Undead Nightmare Multiplayer

Dare I say peak online mode lmao

if it existed

[junior torrent]

Sucks it's only limited to survival

[thick seal]

that would be cool

[junior torrent]

No other mission modes, like defending your town from zombies

Undead multiplayer was a big missed opportunity

[digital notch]

Battlefield 6 needs to have some insane leveloution though

[random blade]

As long as it’s not just annoying to play post - event though haha

[royal temple]

people keep saying this kind of stuff but I never really understood it, does this kind of thing really make a difference in whether a bf game is any good?

it's a cool gimmick and all but why is it brought up all the time?

[digital notch]

eh not really

but its fun though

its kind of a thing to ask for in the franchise

it can be really fun

it has been used quite a lot in previous Battlefield games so I would say its important

like the ability to kill people in a building by just blowing it up with your tank

[junior torrent]

To me

One aspect of BF being great is the VA

[random blade]

Mostly cause it was one of the defining differences between bf and other shooters, turned up to the max. People want it to feel unique so naturally they want to push the destruction side as much as possible.

Good micro destruction is fun, and not having it would feel wrong, but I’m personally indifferent on how big said destruction is

[rich ember]

I am largely apathetic to BF destruction

i've had a lotta fun on BF4 playing Lockers cause the infantry gameplay is just fun.

[random blade]

Same here. I’ve had some moments where I use it to open up angles onto someone in a building, but it’s not necessarily a core principle for me

[junior torrent]

Not fun when people are sweating heavily

And playing the same old shit....

You get my point

[digital notch]

Battlefield 4 just gets ruined by Badmins

[junior torrent]

And bad servers

[digital notch]

EA should be the ones entirely in control of those servers

[junior torrent]

Now you understand why WR is important to the game?

[rich ember]

what you consider sweating, i consider playing against decent people, and i'd rather play with and against decent people as opposed to dipshits with shotguns.

[junior torrent]

I need this

[digital notch]

"dipshits with shotguns"

dont face me in Call of Duty

[junior torrent]

I'm just saying

[digital notch]

because I am a dipshit with a shotgun

🤣

[junior torrent]

WR is my only salvation for the game

To be user friendly

[rich ember]

already ahead of you, i've not played a cod game in years.

[digital notch]

in terms of BF though

I never play shotgun

actually dont see a point in using a shotgun in BF

that's probably because I play Large Conquest where shotguns dont do much

[rich ember]

being annoying mainly

[junior torrent]

No shit

[rich ember]

that's the only reason people do that

[junior torrent]

I once used a bow

[royal temple]

shotgun fun

enough said

[rich ember]

I generally played servers that banned 'em.

[junior torrent]

game.itself has broken game weapon

Hence why

Again...

WR promised to fix all of them

[rich ember]

it'll be funny if shotguns end up getting removed from WR's official servers

:V

[digital notch]

I dont think any weapon should be banned

[junior torrent]

I'm confident there'll be no bans

[digital notch]

but people who sweat should just get a life

[junior torrent]

Just heavily balanced

Including mortar and ucav

[digital notch]

like enjoy some nature at least lol

[rich ember]

what if someone has a life, but they're just better than you.

[digital notch]

games are meant to be played casually for the most part, the competitive nature is there sure but there is modes for that or should be modes for that

[digital notch]

there's defo people who are casual like me who are better

[junior torrent]

I also hate esport comp games

[rich ember]

yes but you'd consider those people as sweaters.

[junior torrent]

They suck assn

[digital notch]

im just referring to those who are like max level in a FPS game in like a week with all the guns unlocked

[digital notch]

nope

I know what a sweat actually is

[rich ember]

because anyone that is generally better than you would fall under the umbrella of sweaters in the moment

[digital notch]

its someone who literally only plays the game

[digital notch]

not really, that's how you are defining it for yourself

that's not how I define it

[royal temple]

anybody better than me is a sweat and anyone worse than me is garbage, simple enough method

[random blade]

Fun for me comes from mastery of mechanics and strategy, playing without any care just feels aimless to me

[rich ember]

That is genuinely how people talk about it though.

[junior torrent]

Anyone that use ak 12 and whatever the meta guns are

Are try hards

[rich ember]

AK12
Meta

[digital notch]

a sweat is someone who literally plays the game non-stop and looks for the best meta there is, they do the exact same routes, heck probably even know some glitches, etc

[rich ember]

man you've not played BF4.

[junior torrent]

Whatever

My point is... All these shitty problems

All can be absolved by WR

[thick seal]

its very fun watching a guy who hates multiplayer talk about battlefield in a battlefield chat

[digital notch]

I dont know the metas of any FPS game I play

because I dont care

[thick seal]

its kinda novel

[digital notch]

not me I hope, I love multiplayer lmaooooo

[rich ember]

Knowing them is good information to have.

[thick seal]

not you no

[junior torrent]

I'm not gonna spam mortar and ucav in every map and situations

[random blade]

What makes you think you need to

Just… don’t?

[digital notch]

but for the most part

I have an enjoyable experience in every Battlefield match I play

even the ones where my KD gets so fucked

like I can go K: 9 D: 40 at times

it happens

because I just do the most random fun shit cus I love it

like trying to run up behind a tank to plant a C4, that's got me killed a bunch of times lmao

[rich ember]

...I mean i don't get the mentality, because i don't get the appeal of doing literally nothing

[digital notch]

well im not doing nothing

im still playing objective

[rich ember]

but you're not helping.

[digital notch]

I am

[rich ember]

you're dying more than you're doing anything.

[digital notch]

im dying... cus they are better than me lol

[rich ember]

you're losing tickets without doing anything to help the objective actually.

[dusk ice]

Bom bom bom bom

Bom bom bom bom

Dun dun dun dun dun

[digital notch]

again, you are coming at this from a competitive angle

I really dont care about all that lol

[rich ember]

how is this helping

[digital notch]

just play the game and have fun

if you win you win

if you lose you lose

[rich ember]

dying a bunch to a tank is not helping.

[digital notch]

everyone on my team I believe is all trying their best

regardless of how they go about it

[random blade]

You do you, but winning is fun for many and a goal to strive for

[thick seal]

fun is an enigma to some people on this server @digital notch

[junior torrent]

When you spot one bloke that camps with a tank or truck

You know something is wrong with them

[digital notch]

because you are a sweat i guess, I geniuenly dont care

just play the game

and enjoy

no one really cares if you lose lol

its not like you lost the World Cup or something

[astral saffron]

^^^

[thick seal]

its actually embarassing if you get worked up over a battlefield match

nobody gives a fuck

[digital notch]

again, I think people get the wrong idea if they are seriously playing this game competitively

this isnt CS lol

we just have fun

in Battlefield

[astral saffron]

It's a casual arcade war simulator

[digital notch]

that's why the Rendezook and stuff exist

its why 2042 even highlighted riding a vehicle onto a helicopter and detonating the C4