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China when
we need proper WW3 lore for Battlefield
but not like too much like real life lore, just the one where it still continues 2014 and 2020 war
It's gonna be NATO vs PMC according to a credible leaker
thats the problem, i sense that its not gonna be the triangle war like it used to be between US, PRC and RU. The lore is missing if we just fought mercenaries
PMCs could make for a more realistic scenario
hey whatsup guys
some people might call him a leech 
Remember seing this guy trying to launch unreal engine, but blamed the engine for it not starting 
was there any info about the community testing? is it going to be application or invite only
i am so sick of the content creators STILL asking for a br mode
it's always from the same fuckin people too
i don't understand why they keep pushing for it
it's clear there's very few people who want a battlefield BR
Anyone playing for PlayStation BF V ?
It sucks bootycheeccs, Firestorm was proof enough, not only was it crappy in concept, it also sucked overall due to the fact it has exclusive vehicles that were never used in the main game, it was also panned for being badly formulaic.
Firestorm was fine, what killed it was the fuckin paywall
but given the state of BF there's no way a BR mode should be considered
Firestorm was killed by the paywall and the lack of updates
But besides for that, it was one of the best BRs I've ever played
make a very special battlefield game first to win back the fans they lost
then fuck around with br or extraction or whatever

Why is battlefield 5 so bad
Any folks with BF1 that wanna get blown up... 19 times by AT mines so I can finally unlock this last weapon
Yeah, I assume that's how they're going since Zampella said this: "We have to have the core. The core Battlefield players know what they want. They've been with us forever, they've been amazing supporters. We need to earn their trust back and get them back on our side. And then it's expanding out and getting more players into the universe and seeing what we can do, so when you want a different experience, you don't have to leave Battlefield."
cant believe i wasted the time redownloading bf1
what a cluster
average BF1 testimonial
crazy what you realize when you actually play the video game instead of watching jackfrags videos about it
i kinda enjoy BFV, probably because I'm a sniper maniac but I think its a bad game with good mechanics.
Do hope we get another ww2 battlefield and get things like the m10 b17 helldiver and eastern front
Aside from it existing, nothing. We donāt know if itās public, private, for creators alone, under nda, not, itās all up in the air
anyone want to do battlefield 5 frontline throphy ?
Eh, imo bf5 is fine enough for now. A different theme like Cold War would be a good next step after bf7. We do need a proper ww2 bf eventually tho
Agreed with both tho I mentioned m10 and b17 as they were supposed to have been in bfV before 2042 came out
And Cold War would definitely be nice t55 t62 m60 chieftains ect phantoms harrier
time to return
I got server rented in bf1 would appreciate help with some trophies, can help with some in return. Ps5-ps4
BF1 + BF3 + BF4 = Next Battlefield Game
Come on Dice it shouldnt be difficult
(Also when bad company 3 lol)
Next game probably 6 or bc3, that probably depends on single player aswell i am thinking š¤ š¤·
Forced vehicle kits in bf1 is š¤®

No way its bc3
They gave it up
Also id rather have them not ruin bc3
You never know though
Atmosphere of bf1 + destruction of bc2 + gameplay mix of bf3 and bf4 + maps from bf3 and bf4
You got me sold
Take my credit card
Yes 100%
I need grittyness
Insulting soldiers
Pure testosterone

Don't do it, it will only make you sad 
Who told you to cook this much?
We dont know if they will have that, but consept kind of hints too it, also something about open world which i dont fully remember 
I mean, for all we know it can work well
Wouldn't it be optional to play anyway? š¤·
It prob be better than Warzone but dice tried many times. They all failed
firestorm had tons of potential. no reason to be a doomer about a br / extraction mode
Yes thats why i asked why he cooked this much
BR makes no sense
Delta Force's extraction mode is genuinely really fun
i put 50+ hours into it during the playtest
You legit divide the playerbase even more
common sense
Firestorm had a great start of dice kept up with it. But the main game stole all of its focus. It died off way too quick. Just like hazard zone
there's a foundation for a BR in bf but that's not what the franchise needs now
it was very poorly balanced (ammo counts didnt make sense for triple hp) and looting was an actual nightmare
It donāt matter if itās free or not. The main game gets more focus than the br or extraction
but if it was fixed, firestorm would have been a lot of fun
Dice if you are reading this start cooking or you will lose even more rep
if it was FREE, it would've been good
Idk how balanced it was. It didnāt get attention from the community
firestorm seemed fine from what i played
If itās free. Means more players hacking 
One time? š¤ I don't see the problem either though, if it's good it's worth playing if not just play normal modes š¤·
get better anticheat idk
bfv didn't get good anti cheat until THIS YEAR
Sure but battlefield isnāt meant for other modes. It should be more focused about the main game
or was it last?
i loaded up bfv a week ago to test that. first server i had there was a plane cheater annihilating the server
Better than easy anticheat 
its working great i guess!
It can be meant for other modes tbh, i am not really seing the problem you are seing? I absolutelly agree main focus should be on the main modes, i think most would agree on that
Itās work in progress. EA just made their anticheat. Get it some time dawg
Pls cook dice š
If they do it well. It will succeed. I just donāt want it be another cod
like if you want BR idc. i can't make you not want something
but the fact that content creators are STILL ASKING for it
New cods are built around and prioritize Warzone
That still upsets me. Br kills games
Just seemed like you said it would be problem if they decided to add BR, without considering it could be good and if it is not, you can just play the main game
How? š¤
I need you to explain to me how a optional mode can destroy the entire game 
I wonāt touch it. I just donāt donāt want it interfere with the main game
Look at cod 
Don't think it was that big problem in bf5 though, affecting the main game
i doubt its just a warzone/firestorm copy anyway
I dont play cod, so wont know what you know 
The community barely played it to make it a problem 
Dice just keeps trying
It wasn't too popular and if i remember corectly majority wasn't too impressed
That is correct
It barely got attention like hazard zone so focus from the devs moved on from it
the core gameplay of firestorm felt good, and it was really nice having destruction in a BR
I played it a few times, but problem finding players. Wasn't too bad imo, but could have been done differently i guess
So hazard zone is br? š¤
Or you talking attention wise?
Thatās extraction
Iām talking attention wise
Ah i see, i see
hazard zone is barely a mode
They barely got attention from the community
How is it barely a mode. Itās a game mode in the game that you can play
When it comes to BR in battlefield i don't really have much comments other than it was fine enough in my opinion at least
okay but I mean it feels like it was slapped together without unique content in about a week
The game was rushed. What do you expect. A full polish 4 year development game?
It was made under 2 years
Are we talking about 5 or 2042 now? 
2042
I am just saying that Firestorm felt like a complete mode and Hazard Zone was a joke
They have more time and better leadership for the devs to work on firestorm
2042 was made around hazard zone but it was also rushed. Terrible leadership for its devs
Battle Royale needs to go back into the trashheap of niche genres again istg
What a drain
brotha battle royale is the only thing keeping fps afloat besides Hero Shooters. its dark times
i saw Westie say it about the latest news
it's like dude. I know the only thing you make videos about now is BR stuff but like come on
dude is perma stuck in 2019
I don't think people actually enjoy BR games, they're just easy to milk for Internet points because everyone has one now
Iām just saying. If firestorm and hazard zone barely got community attention. It fail miserably. The community alone donāt want an extraction, br. People still donāt want one in the next battlefield due to Tom Henderson post from feb on X. Content creators still want it. But games should never rotate and revolve around one game mode. Cod does that and it pisses people off to this day. Everything is made for and around Warzone. Fuck zombies is implementing stuff from Warzone and it makes it to casual than what zombies used to be back in the days.
It's a shit trend that should have stayed to its lane
I enjoyed pubg when it was still novel
bored of br now though
They only use it to milk money from people. Itās a business strategy. It makes them the most money in little to no effort
Yeah but that's where BR belongs, not in CoD and BF and big MP titles like that
He said it also 
Or he wants it?
Send what 
Nostalgic video
of course his group all spam warzone/dmz content

All because cod does it, donāt mean BF have to follow through
Like the super sprint mechanic
XDefiant even try to do what cod does in their own way
They even said it as one point
People was pissed
Personally i'd rather prefer BR in battlefield over example pubg for several reasons
Going from conquest to br wouldn't feel any different either as you are familiar with the character feel and movement. Also battlefield has better netcode in my opinion 
They do have better netcode
Next thing I donāt wanna hear is SBMM in battlefield. They did that to 2042
Pubg i hit a guy many times still he dont die, its like it dont register hits. Idk how its these days though but havent played in years
For what mode?
isn't SBMM good though?
Even tho itās not. Never been in battlefield. Itās always connection based
I guess it depends which side of the skill range you are š¤·
I dont understand what you mean now 
For battlefield
you know how long connection to the lobby will be. To be in your skill range
depends who you ask. and it depends on if its actually a system based around skill or if its like cod, which is "eomm" or engagement optimization matchmaking
i never disliked mmr systems like in halo, dota, league, but eomm is awful
Ah i see the issue š¤
I donāt mind mmr but EOMM fucking sucks
I see, i see š¤
When i think SBMM though, i think you dont have to play against top1 sweat on leaderboard 
unless you're close to him in skill, thats how a proper mmr system works ya
but battlefield would never put that in, too many players
BF should always be non SBMM/EOMM
random lobbies is fun
Yep
Someone will always be sweaty. But the point of SBMM is to put players in the equal skill lobbies. Yet it fails. Cod have a thing where, if you do good one game. Expect the win will be a lost. To balance itself out. At the end of the day. SBMM KD average is less than CBMM 
SBMM is within the EOMM. They both go hand and hand in cod
SBMM fucks over EOMM more than normal
From my understanding battlefield dont have SBMM, and personally its been fine that way. Usually my K/D is around 1 in overall stats, and i dont feel i constantly die all the time. I meet some sweats now and then but its been fine
like, cod doesnt seek to find equal players to you
it might at best balance both team's "skill level"
which often means you just get sandbagged with bad players
The problem with that system is that you just get absolutely F'ed when you are more skilled than average. It makes it more like a job than having fun
Isn't SBMM more relevant in cod games though? š¤ Considering match size
yeah, any small scale game can easily implement those systems
bf could never have strict mmr
1.47 for 2042*
How it's been in bf works fine if you ask me. Can enjoy game/match no problem
yup
Battlefield donāt have SBMM. Just one random person said it, as other people followed behind
we're lucky the playercount protects us from that garbage
As for what @upper berry it would probably take really long time to find match from his perspective. Also player count and map size makes me think it's not really needed at all
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i assume they'll eventually have soft versions of it in bf but itll never be like current cod
I suppose
Thatās just the game tryna fill up a match. Cod does backend stuff as they fill up the match
warthunder is hell
I never really thought much about SBMM in battlefield, whatever they did worked in my opinon
Basically not SBMM š
I see, i see

Eitherway if they had it or not, i haven't had any problems tbh
Same. Atleast itās not cod level of SBMM

No scorboard bro, just focused stats 
Imma preorder next BF regardless like I did for 2042. I enjoy playing battlefield
I never refunded my preorder for 2042 
Jokes a side though, would be nice if they added ping too so you can check ping on guy who killed you in a wierd way or you feel didnt take damage you expected
If it works it dont matter if it is there or not. People too negative just if this or that is in the game even if it works fine
Best criticism is to not pre order so they know we customers are serious about this franchise
Would be nice with counter knife too. But remember if you got the option to counter knife you would most of the time always win, so they should add some extra there to be able to surive on both sides
I was thinking what in the cod is this the first time i saw it 
They took what worked and made it worse
Been a few instances where they removed or changed things that worked overall well
Sure bro but this one was a beauty even tho it looked completely bs
Watch them remove the server browser forever
I mean it was kind of ok, but 1p melee was more immersive at least if you look at it from that view
Just so they can push their bs matchmaking system
They want you to enjoy the skin you bought even more
Only time you see it is in menu and intro
Worst part about third person takedowns is how goddamn long they take to perform
the first person ones were instant and still looked good
Personally, i kind of miss server browser, specially being able to select map or map rotation. It was ok but still miss server browser. The sadest part about 2042, you could never play against your friends at all no matter how much you try. A while back i tried joining my friends match for like 30 min and still was put into same team. Also the solo/co-op match should have ability to play against friend tbh. I remember it was no problem in 5, just not soo convenient. Open your friends game info then click join game, then rng if you get their team or not based on slots avalible
Even sadder is that map selection is a thing that exists already.... just in solo only.
They could totally allow you to queue for certain maps and join servers that are currently active for that map or others who choose the same one
but nope
I dont know why they didn't want dedicated servers anymore. Also that would keep the games alive even after official servers shut down, on pc at least
Oh you thinking example like csgo where you select prefered maps for matchmaking right? š¤
Maybe, but probably best giving feedback and suggestions on AHQ though š¤
I miss both the server browser and persistent matches. Idk why they were ever removed
Who knows, but maybe they have a good reason for it š¤·
Like in portal it just switched to next map in list no problem, like before
It would actually be interesting to know why it changed
My best guess was that they saw that cod worked without them and just thought āless work for usā. Or they were just lazy
Cause they are pretty core pieces of the way battlefield servers work
Maybe server browser is coming back
Hopefully
Could be š¤·
Think that would be good actually for many reasons
The browserās the only reason the old games like 4 are still alive
Well, kind of i'd say since you rent servers yourself. How i thinking at it fast now š¤
Imo there should be rentable servers again in the next one
And platoons
Yeah. The free servers were a nice gesture but imo itās better if you have to pay for them
Meant dedicated servers where you just pay service provider to host server for my last message at least. Rentable servers are you thinking how it was on console? š¤
Wasnt that in 5 if i dont remember wrong š¤
Oh ok
Or could have been 1, i seriously have bad memory 
I was thinking like 4 or 1
Did 4 have rent server option on pc? I dont remember, i would think less likley as of dedicated servers
š¤·
I donāt remember which game has what system but I want rentable servers that can be bought from either dice or a third party
Third party it would be probably dedicated server
We'll see what happens, they are thinking returning to 3/4 it seems so maybe those things too š¤·
Yes hopefully. Also, off topic but is it just me or is the map in 2042 having input lag to camera movement xD?
Lower server costs I imagine.
And yeah, you can already choose a map when you boot up solo, just that unde regular mode selection
Wouldnāt be surprised if there was. If I remember correctly, wasnāt the entire input system made wrong?
Eeerm yep it definitely still is as well lol
At an engine level
Well, with dedicated servers they had 0 cost once they shut down their own servers. Basically community would rent server from server providers. On pc you probably wont find one official server for bf3/4 these days as most servers are community ones
Well yeah. Something like bad input canāt be easily fixed
You mean like the minimap?
One thing I definitely hope they offer with the next one is much more content
Yep
Ya ya, noticed it in solo at least. Unsure in MP, probably just not many ticks for the map
Nah i'm just saying that having 100 official servers constantly open so anyone can join is probably more costly than 70 that are spooled up only when a player is actually in it and searching for a match
I'll check mp now actually
Yeah its pretty horrible actually. In any other BF this wasn't a problem
Eh, thatās mainly dictated by how long they support the game.
Theyāre doing a battle pass no matter what tho. So itās just a factor of how many passes they do and how many things they add per pass
Yeah that way, but in bf3/4 they didnt need that as of dedicated servers the community could rent and pay for through server provider
Also some earlier games as well (pc*)
Probably part of optimisation 
Battle pass shouldn't dictate map releases or gadgets, thats just stupid
weapons etc
I agree but thatās how it is nowadays
I sure hope we don't get 1 map every 3rd season like in BF2042 lol
And like 75% reworked or reused maps lol
Oh yeah I saw those leaked screenshots too during that private showcase. Doubt we can discuss much here but It's something I guess
Itāll most likely be more maps than 2042 since they wonāt have to go back and redo every launch map
Yep
I havenāt heard anything bout that?
Huh the investor screenshots?
I would partially blame portal for that, they did add those maps to main game though. 64p at least
Are those private
Minimap works fine in both 64/128p for me
If I turn fast the map lags behind a bit
So probably only in solo/co-op
Not broken its just annoying
Let me try turn really fast then 
I turned at ok speed but not like super fast
Technically speaking they should be kept behind close doors, but they got out anyway. Besides, there's hardly anything substantial in them to show
The concept art looks amazing
And the "non-leaked" one we got from IGN is a real city by the looks of it
Dont think there been any leaks though?
The investor ones
Letās just hope the actual game lives up to the screenshots
And remember, no preorders
I will pre order
Wouldn't necesarly call that leak tbh 
Depends, looks very much like unprepared screenshots to me
The "leak" then lol
I mean you are probably allowed to discuss it since EA's investor calls and such are public
Why wouldn't unfinished props be
Everything is now a leak 
Its not the game
just with new management you never know
Yeah maybe... I bet they would delete our messages by now tho if something like this was a leak
Tested now, map seems fine super fast turn 
tbh I think it might just be total acting as a mod at the moment
You?
Oookay dude. You trying to make me go crazy
I mean, i guess it has some slight delay but nothing to complain about
True
Its sooo little though
but you have image perms :(
We'll see what they do with perms, probably not top of the list right now tbh

Wait can you send images?
Mhm
Oooh ok
Video too
I am so jelous of the special mechanics of the legacy mod team features xD
Old regulars should have perms too

Understandable
What are old regulars?
me
But aren't regulars still a thing

But maybe they will do something so most people can get perms, or those who can keep them and use them normaly 
we shouldāve also been legacy regulars

Or revive the old vip thing 
You mean p2w perms?
nah
How do I get regular? isn't it by just being active in chat and everything?
vip was the old regulars from the Dino age
we dont know yet
Regular
It was that before. But like i said before
This š
or og regular wouldāve been kek
You sell your soul to Vince and pray
though at the moment whatever plans they have for regular are undisclosed, nobody knows how it works if at all yet
@obsidian hinge #general message
Oh okay
From what i understand something similar will come back 
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smh the work I put on to it getting us shown
ICYMI: Unlock the legendary UH-60 in All-Out Warfare by earning ribbons in any mode š
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I didnt even know they was showed in the first place 
It was still new

Now i know, was really wondering, how i unlock that 
itās been there for like a few months iirc
Check my history under Leo 

I see, i see
I control the Leo market
@obsidian hinge Angra top leo user i am sure 
My numbers will rise even higher when they remove #battlefield-2042 
And it used to Keanu

Tho pretty sure I donāt even come second place for him
Who got first you would think? š¤
I wanna say someone on the regular team
Can someone explain to a non-discord mod what the Leo emoji means
would be ok if itās someone on the booster side tho
Its basically like laughing emoji
Yeah I figured lol
Or are you sure
Wasn't sure
or anything it fits in the context

but whenever I use it in mass numbers in one sentence Iām usually making a joke out of the situation
the thought of 2042 talk being normal here is terrifying now that I think about it


Havent used it in ages tbh, i am kind of fine without it 
i need my emotes 

heaven got something to share
Completely fucked up my mod list for new Vegas
Everyone is bald and the water is bright purple 
Did you guys see the lil gameplay?
Whaaat
Idk what to think of the running animations
Id prefer a bf4,bf1 approach
ah so more's been leaked then I take it
Well
Okay I'mma say it
Lemme dm u
There is gameplay of the new game? š¤
Tbh
Anything shown during the investor call is really meant to stay within the showcase
THEY RELEASED IT
Bro acting like a mod again

who did
Jkkk
I'm just making sure nobody gets unjustfully banned 
First second
Those animations are better than CoD ngl
well fair enough, that's alright to post. It was just that i've seen people get smited to oblivion for discussing stuff like this pre 2042 and didn't want the same to happen again
but I also want to see it too 
Also, I bet crouch running is back, I just have a feeling
I hope theres no tactical sprinting
Don't hold any hopes
just remember what the movement designer said about 2042 before launch
There won't be trust me, even tho I don't know anything 
Oookay dude
They massacred my boy
I'm hoping they've learnt enough from 2042, but I also have no real excitement left in me
Wonder if traversal sprint will return, kind of cool even though it didn't make you run really, really much faster
If it's got some downsides I have no quarel with it
we need old BF4 maps return as Operations map
Its probs not coming back
2042 didn't have any ads penalties at all at launch
I am sure they have. I am confident about that. The ign article gave me some hope and excitement tbh
Got back into BFV and I've been playing it religiously on the ps5. I'm pretty decent I'd like to think, but I'm looking for a group to play with because I think not having someone to communicate with is really my biggest issue atm.
Anyone know where I could go to find other peeps to play with?
The way the new map designs are according to Zampella its probs not coming any tac sprint
Wouldn't be a big issue in my eyes if they left it out
That would be way too CoD
forgetting entirely about cod, It definitely was initially a response to the map sizes so shrinking the maps down again might have that make sense
Wouldn't mind as long as the maps are Urban-focused this time
We need to tell dice devs that they really should listen to the community
Or something like Operation Firestorm
And when I say listen I mean listen to veterans
Well the "leaked" concept art looks heavily urban focused
Its truly pog when they know they made shit and accepted it
They experienced peak and know peak battlefield better than any current dice employee
They have for a long while post 2042
Bro they are otherwise Zampella wouldn't be saying everything he said
Wait what leak the one with the heli? And was it really a leak?
Most of the main gripes people have had that are feasible to implement regarding balance, vehicle design etc has mostly been changed because of us here
I don't think its a leak well @random blade thinks so
still waiting for bethesda to reconzie fo76 as a terrible mark even tho they are learning to put some good but still making it shit
heck practically every suggestion that was made regarding jets and helis in the feedback thread here was implemented
I wouldn't say it was all shit though, it for sure had it's good sides but not enough
Yeah it's not realy helpful ignoring the situation and facts too say it like that
For people not to get unjust bans
Well the only screenshots I saw beforehand were low res ones that eeked with 'shouldn't be seen yet'. But now that jackfrags is covering it and has explained the material is now public, i've been proven wrong
Well we do know one thing, the concept art from IGN looks promising when it comes to maybe featuring naval combat
A leak is basically when the up publisher didn't approved it or is being posted by someone who isn't from the industry
Like the Pre-2042 video
2042 has the worst vehicle feel i can think of in a battlefield game, specially helis, so much arcade feel
With Orbital being shown
Oh yeaaah with the rocket hitting the building no?
Feels to floaty, no weight at all
Post rework nightbird does feel better
Well 2042 still uses the awful Vehicle Spawn system, I hope they go back to the OG Spawn system with some flags contained extra vehicles when captured
but I don't really care too much as long as it's fun to fly
which is most definitely was not before the rework 
Bro trusting everything that comes from Dice or EA now is a sin
Also
Yeah
I mean... hey. Think they have a choice now
Ditch the modern spawn screen
The 2042 spawn screen?
Bring back overhead map view
BF4 Spawn screen is still the best
Yes, ever since BF 1
Truee
In my mind
That type of screen works best with 1 and V
Because ya know
It.makes sense contextually
It's got it's ups and downs. The 3D nature of it with the subtle sway to introduce parallax gives you a much better feel for the map layout, but also being able to see the soldiers and vehicles on the ground is just free info
Wouldn't call it game breaking at least. If you want to play jet's on a certain map example like manifest there isn't much other choice i am thinking. Unless they oviously added runway some random place
Maybe a mix of the 2, like a 3D overhead map instead of a overview of the whole actual map?
Keep the 3D map, but maybe just hide entity models until it's been spotted
"hide entity models until it's been spotted" what does that mean
simply seeing the map progress over time, observing the destruction and map flow with your own eyes rather than a 2D screen is just cooler
Oh like tanks
Pretty sure hardline and 4 overhead map updates the terrain
Like the collapsed tower and dam breached
Still bad in my opinion, like vehicles should be heavily depended on map that you are playing sure 2042 have maps that won't let you spawn Jets but compared to BF3/4's spawn design it's a night and day difference
Basically just don't have a soldier or tank model be visible on the spawn screen unless it's been spotted by someone. That way someone can't just hide in the spawn screen and give callouts cause you can still see them from above regardless
That is actually a good idea
It did for levolution events, but the minor stuff didn't get captured
and it's the stuff like explosion craters being visible, torn down buildings and the like that was just cool to see from above
Think you actually spawn in the air on dawnbreaker in bf4 too. Siege of shanghai didn't have jets at all, probably for the best when i think of it š¤ š¤· Vanilla sea map also in air, think most maps š¤
Plus paired with the awful Category system where Tanks and Jets and Heli are shared as 1 and for some reason the EBLC Ram is still under the Heavy Armored section instead of having it's own category titled "IFV" yeah it's something
Shanghai had no counters against the helicopters at all
Yeah and those servers man...
I'm not talking about Spawn in Air, I'm talking about the Spawn Design like Vehicles should be depended on what map you are playing and the amount of vehicles are spread evenly without being shared to 1 category
The one with 24/7 shanghai sweats
Then improved it
One of the problems with anti-vehicle play in 4 is probably how only certain 'smart' missiles can lock onto SOFLAMed targets. While this makes logical sense, it heavily impedes on the effectiveness of the tactic, because not many people actually use those weapons
It took so long for them to get the categories even remotely balanced and fun lol. Really hope it doesn't take them that long next time
Update all changes
Like players won't fight around the Spawn Screen due to this certain player picked the Attack Heli which consume the Heli slot unlike in BF3/4
Just do everything good BF did before but on steroids
if they did an orthographic top down view with some kind of techy filter then yeah it's possible. Is it just the visual style of the 2d maps you prefer?
That sounds oddly specific

well it's the only way I could see them being able to merge the two map styles
Yeah
In BF3/4's Vehicles Spawn system, in some maps that lets you spawn every vehicles you can picked every vehicle variants you wanted without consuming a slot since they give you a certain amount of that vehicle you can use
@random blade Dm
Oh yeah like that, couldn't agree more also the extra vehicle spawn delay annoying
Vehicle spawn was perfect in 3/4

Sorry for misunderstand, my excuse is i havent sleept in too many hours 
Thinking about that did it really hurt having decently high spawn count for atv or basic vehicles that it had to be changed
For example in Operation Firestorm you can use both the A-10 Warthog and the F-35 without fighting over the vehicle slot since both can be use at the same time and are not shared into 1 category like in 2042
Their logic was the map size reduction, but I don't think it really needed to be done either
But hey, they going back to 3/4 from my understanding so it might return š¤·
Guess we gotta see what they add from those in the new one
what they need to do is not succumb to the same pitfalls of emphasising player agency over balance
Yeah cuz that would lessen vehicle spam since not every map lets you spawn every vehicle that you wanted
Some maps only lets you spawn the IFV and the Little Bird
Or some only the Transport Vehicles
Like it took almost 3 years for the AA vehicle to become a pure AA. And almost a year for it to not be in the same slot as a tank
that kind of balance just doesn't work
Agree I was shock when 2042 came out on how bad the Spawn System and the Vehicle Categories are, No Mobile AA and no dedicated IFVs same goes for the Bombers/Attack Jets
It's like they made every vehicles jack-of-all-trades
Do we all agree that the BF2042 menus and just all spawn mechanics are just utter garbage?
Definitely agreed
Oh remember when the settings like "on or off" settings were indistinguishable from being on or on while hovering on them xDDD
To keep it that shor, yes 
I think customisation is kind of annoying if you compare to 3/4 as well
That's exactly it. Make every player a jack of all trades, every vehicle a jack of all trades, suddenly everyone chooses the same thing and everyone gets bullied with no counterplay
as Straatford put it, limiting choice often leads to more choice
Yeah especially at launch and months in
They kinda fixed it
Even zoom on tanks etc... If thinking UI feel a bit slow and sluggish if that makes sense. It feels like slow transition
Like Tanks not having APS for a near future setting and are slow and sluggish
The worst part about my fear for the next launch is that all the qol stuff that we've gotten since launch will probably be gone again as soon as the next one launches
I would be fine if it's a WW2 tank but on a near future setting?
DICE always forgets their QOL stuff
What is APS 
Frankly I'd be surprised if they remembered to actually put in a server browser this time
Can't wait for them to forget the ability to grab ammo and health pack towards medic and support player without them dropping it to you for the 2nd time
Active Protection System
It basically destroy any missiles for a few seconds before cooldown
stuff like that. Everyone loved it, yet it was just forgotten
Hardline and BFV had it but for some reason DICE forgot about this mechanic for 2042
and simple things like scoreboards and squad management, what if that's not there at launch as well
I just kind of fear the worst
Speaking about Squad Management the next game should better have it at Launch
The one of the important feature was missing on release
I will be surprised if they mess up this time really, or at least really big time
From which game?
4 and hardline
Ahh, i see. Been so many years since i played that
I dunno. One part of me is hopeful, the other one just kind of expects worse. I've lost that ability to really be hyped
I hope for the best of course, but it's going to take a lot to convince me
Not BF2?
Yes
I don't like being on the field

I'd rather be off the map
They just can't at this point. EA is too desperate bcs of the 2042 failure. So they need to actually listen this time
Thats a good thing since you're micro-managing at the same time plus you are able to send Artillery Strike and Missile Strike accurately
Its all about money
Fully understandable. You should have know how i felt when beta came out and long after for 2042. But Dice seems to be in good hands now, the article from ign really got me excited and hopefull
Yes
I don't even like pvp
So I prefer 4 and hardline method
The day one patch will save us all!
Wouldn't say they are desperate. But i think for majority of the fan base they can't really make huge mistakes this time
Yeah wrong wording
Same after they fuck up two games in a row
Like I am cautiously optimistic but I need to see the gameplay first and get my hands on it
Anyone wanna boost some trophies together in rented server? Ps5-ps4
Would call it more backlash than faliure tbh
Ye
If you like look at it overall
ā¢Like the awful attrition at launch and bad visibilityā¢
If the next game doesn't have solo mode

Among other things
I imagine it will, would be a shame just to throwaway the tech they have here
Yeah and lets not have fuckn glowsticks on player models bcs visiblity is an issue 
although with reduced map sizes I'm imagining they'll probably not do much more to them
I have serious doubts it'll be improvement
Agree just give me a good visibility that lets me distinguish enemies that are hiding easily
BF4 has good visibility
Solo/co-op is a nice to have thing imo, would love too see it back but i probably wouldn't be too sad if it wasn't there. At least they should add ability to play against your friends, shame that was completely impossible in 2042
If it fails, then WR
Is my main focus
WR? š¤
Warsaw revamped
Wirtual reality
Don't expect any more than we have now is all i'd say

but as an onboarding tool it's very good. Great to test out balance changes as well
Even BF1 to some extent
It started in BFV where the visibility gets bad
They say they're working on an all new experience. Odds are it's just some stupid extraction shooter mode again and it'll die instantly. My personal hope against all liklihood is that they figured out that objective-based PVE co-op games have been on a hot streak lately and that they do something like that.
So basically dedicated server without dedicated server files right?
Omg ye I saw a clip where a guy was lying down in the rubble on devestation and it was literally impossible to see him
What i understood at least
Just make a full standalone solo mode
Like regular multiplayer, but with content intact
Rank, progress
That's what I did with the MG-42 
Bit like some of bfv's offerings? I know it had some kind of coop thing although I literally never touched it
And being able to play on all maps and modes
Without restrictions
And best of all, advanced botd
Free kill is a free kill if you ask me 
Yeah but more in the vein of Helldivers and all that
There will be restrictions if they do that, it's unavoidable
Why not make rank separate
Between online and solo local
If they can find a way to make some kind of procedural system that'd be cool
then go crazy
Doesn't necessarily need to be procedural, Darktide does fine with set missions
I'll get hated for this but it would be cool for the next Battlefield to have some type of Ranked Mode but for 64p
I just personally prefer procedural stuff when it comes to those kinds of coop games
Might become problematic though, people playing more solo than mp. Probably would be easy to grind unlocks. Although i think unlocks kind of too much sometimes in 2042, like takes too much effort. But i am lazy sometimes 
I said separate
Not shared between online and local
Jesus
Did you not play black ops 1 ?
Ages ago
You mean seperate stats?
Yes
š¤
I can't think of other games that do this
Idk what to say too that, mostly just worried mp would not be so many people
Play BO1 
I am with bo2 mods
And it's a hella good time
Now it's BF turn
Bf3 did it, and soon 4
They can do what they want with solo mode, doesn't bother me
let's just keep our eyes open and see what they're planning
Yeah we'll see what they do
Just don't expect top of the line stuff when bf is pvp first and foremost. Temper your expectations
Is it just me, I am actually interested in BF's campaigns
And I would like the next one to be good
I'm so done with story mode
Rly
Unless it'll be like classic Star wars battlefront
Where it's basically regular multiplayer but with scripted scenes and objectives
I'm down
if it's good then I'll play them if i'm bored. But i've had bf for more than a decade and i've not touched a single story mission lol
Kinda since MP is where it's at honestly but a good ol campaign wouldn't be bad like BC2 and BF3
I liked the assignments from BF4 like some weapons or knives
Did you play the old Star wars BF
You know what I'm talking about?
Then believe me
I can gather what you mean though
It's what I want if there ever will be a campaign story
Although I imagine it's hard to tell a story if you are basically playing a regular match
unless they structure it like operations
The storytelling in old BF was fine
Probably would be easy to grind unlocks.
honestly who cares?
There's no need for FMV or scripted scenes to be dynamic
in which case, go crazy. Having some group comms and scripted sequences in a big battle sounds cool
I mean, was mostly thinking mp would be empty 𤷠Cause everyone playing solo 
Give me a simple plot in a map
Give me set of objectives
And let me go crazy with classes
Cause everyone playing solo
Nah this wont happen. Bot matches are too boring
Of course, for game over case, there'll be tickets
Can definitely see that being one form of campaign mission
And maybe enemy has infinite or double the ticket
not the entirety of, but a piece
To prevent kill abuse
That's besides my point though. They can be fun and i think it's nice they added it, would be more fun if you could play against your friends
Like the idea of the first mission being just you as a guy in a big battle, dump you in with an objective and you've got narrative and gameplay intertwined. You feel lost but pursue that objective regardless. Then whatever linear scripted, tombstone squad type missions can follow
Will probably just be someone new
But, if so, any killed special characters would not technically die. Rather they "flee the battlefield"
Just like Star wars BF
Speaking of that, it should be back and replace Breakthrough in my opinion
2042 needed operations if it wanted to tell a story without a campaign
missed a big opportunity there
Instead of the usual capture flag, various games modes can be used for narration
Like rush
Operations gives you a 2nd chance to win the game unlike Breakthrough
Obliteration bomb
Operations as a campaign mission sounds exactly like what clef wants
Narratively driven objectives, you just play but have various story beats take place within
AAAAAAAAAAAA
did you stub your toe
For obliteration, your team must either prevent or sabotage enemy coms
I just want a simple campagin no MW3 fuffing about like an open world objective based singleplayer
One scenario where you're defending one mcom
But the script says otherwise - that first mcom supposed to blow up
Just give me that style of campaign story mode
Or
Regular multiplayer but only bots
Forcing warzone into single player is awfully shitty move
And we can agree wz/ br is shit
Yeah but Firestorm was banger tho
Firestorm was bf5ās br
Look. I'll just say I don't like one life situation
And not taken place in big ass map
big map battle royale isnt the trend anymore anyway
its smaller map extraction mode now 
both unfun
Nah both pretty decent
Coattailing trends never boded well unless it was groundbreaking and transformitive to redefine said trend forever. Star Wars being a good example of a then tired and worne trend of 'space sci-fi' being so incredibly made that no one can think 'space battle' without the DeathStar trench run. Battlefield could've potentially pulled it off as a redux in the next title but it's something I highly doubt would be the priority. Given how 2042 was lacking a campaign. But from the looks of that teaser image, it might be Panama Canal.
But of course I prefer normal BF mp
I just don't enjoy their pacing
Like the original SWBF games, full offline capabilities with bots.
would much rather just play in a smaller map with respawns than a BR or extraction mode
And a different kind of story mode
Like regular multiplayer, but with scripted narrations
Could have co-op campaign like CoD WaW had.
I spent many hours trying to enjoy apex, when I realised I'd rather be playing titanfall 
guys
Meh
i will cook a chicken
It doesn't change anything for me
that sounds like titanfall 1's campaign actually
@junior torrentyou
Although bomb mode in bf4 is exception
Much similar to old battlefront?
they 'yasssssified' it. You went from a WH40K x Pacific Rim style game to 'we have quirky personalities and are edgelords'.
Never played battlefront
Classic Collection's been fixed, it works now.
Watch the story mode for the game, and you'll see what I mean
but it's multiplayer matches with special cutscenes before it, special scripted events inside them and ending cutscenes too
Maybe they will do it. They talked about the "interconnected universe"
Or whatever they said
Don't even know what that means
TitanFall 1 did that pretty damned well, just wish people still played the 360 campaign
Or hell just re-release TF1 on PSN for god's sake!
But do the bots have regular player animations
EA owns Respawn, it's been a literal decade, why not just rip the band-aid off and give Sony guys (like me) the first TitanFall game.
except a really well made "casual" extraction game doesnt exist yet. Delta Force is close tho
Or exclusive animations for a typical campaign
Extraction games are boring, you just leave the match and that's the extraction experience for me
Bots are a pretty central part to multiplayer in both titanfall games, they are solid. Issuing commands, reacting to nearby events, using gadgets etc
Like players behaviors right?
The campaign varients of the titanfall 1 levels actually had 'campaign animations' like Demiter, the Hammond factory and so on
Did you play Delta Force's playtest? It was really fun
Well that's lame
Did I ever tell you I don't find exclusive animations to be fun?
well no, since players can wall run, call titans etc. These are just military grunts but they are believable enough
How's it lame that the campaign mode has in-game cutscenes?
Deltaforce is like a Chinese budget BF mixed with Arena Breakout and 2042
Not FMV cutscenes, AI bot animations
It doesn't matter if it's bullshit, just that the bullshit makes sense for the setting of story.
It's not like arena breakout at all, that game is awful
Gameplay is good tho
what, why wouldn't you? Didn't you just say you'd want scripted events in these missions?
If a bot can't use and behave merely all players actions. It's just not the full experience
What're you on about? there's full motion capture in TF1
But too CoD like
That's the fucking reason why I hate battlefront 2015 solo mode
The AI bot there are so boring to play with
keep in mind CoD copied the titanfall movement style, not the other way around
and made it far worse lol
All scripted animations
Sorry was talking about Delta Force
Unbelievable
that game's 'campaign' was shit along with the rest of it
The bots in TF are dynamic, they just spawn in and the rest is systemic
Okay
gameplay was decent, but ultimately barebones because the game was rushed, not to mention 2017BF2 had so much cut content, there was going to be Mustifar levels and everything, how do i know this? Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga literally ripped all assets from the EA battlefront games for map design.
Not to mention that they're actually a formidable threat in TF1, they'd shoot rockets at you, get you with grenades AND drop lore!
Bots and solo mode in 2017 are fine
Just not the full experience
They can only play supremacy and blast
it's been so long since I touched tf1 I can't remember half the stuff they do 
'They're trying to pin us down' is ingrained in my head
Also lore dumps!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS7lBsufGUo
hell yeah
Anyways
It was less Warhammer and more District 9
My Rant is done
love the grunts in titanfall
actually good point, yet one could argue that'd be interchangeable
The grunts in 2 are just so stilted in comparison
Listening to the grunt conversations was great for lore dumps that didn't feel campy
I remember far more of 2, but tf1 if I remember correctly was the first shooter I played, almost ever
so memory is fuzzy
sort of like the BF Campaigns having idle soldier chat
Want me to DM some lore dump grunt conversations
send em my way, Remind me of the good times
Might watch a full campaign playthrough now I'm thinking about it
arrrg I miss titanfall so much
I'm sending the IMC side now
Yes indeed tacticalbrits credit
I think he said it first?
Oh nvm you linked a comment
People speculated it is AI art so is it or not?
I assume it's some kind of photobashing
True
i mean they have to come up with something
concept art doesnt mean it will be part of the game
its there to hype you up
Yeah true but many concept arts have been a part of real maps in the end
Like 2042's art
2042 is bollocks
No denying that lol
thunder run mission 2.0????
2042 concept art showed a boat in water but the game don't have water and boat
no large open maps pls
It may give a hint of the theme though. Hadnt they hinted that BF6 might be focused on a single theater rather than around the world?
Between this, what looks like concept art in the middle east or north africa, and the casting call for balkan VA's, the setting may be accross the Medditeranean.

cover yourself in oil
I'm oiled up for the next game
im oiled up
The concert art had classic soldiers instead we got specialists
I do hope that the meatgrinder map is at launch this time
concept art classic soldiers look better than the specialists
I got a headache playing metro with that many tickets
i swear i hope they got rid of the head of battlefield after that one
THATS THE POINTTTT
Vince Zampella is now in charge
Even in the leaked internal trailer had classic soldera
So is warzone's lead
Good thing
vince zampella has to cook and forget 2042 completely
he's implied as much
The next battlefield is rumored to have a f2p battle royale
(pls update portal ehehehe)
Same goes to Classes but instead we got the stupid Specialist system that made the game unbalanced and was trying to become a hero shooter
But actually never stated it was a failure of a game which is quite delusional
Its an unstoppable force vs and immovable object.
Can the guy who always cooks fix the franchise that always fucks up?
True xD
Most likely
Actually most definitely
zamepella has to get that IRAQ , Afghanistan feeling back
Whooah
american soldiers look badass
(bf hasnt been set in afghanistan or iraq since bf2)
Vince? I guess EA doesn't want him to say that but then again one of Executives actually said it during their investor call yesterday
they got 4 studios working on this game
where was bf3 I thought it was iraq
Hasn't been to Vietnam since bad company 2
was it Syria?
yeah you gotta make up some bullshit nation like lambashistan or the netherlands
Iran
Ripple effects is working on a new experience, is it that rumored battle Royale? Doesn't sound new to me
could be DLCs like for bf4
since its DiceLA
Give us a 3rd or 4th Factions
Oh yeah that woman said it
Or did she
They are the ones who made portal


