#battlefield-legacy-titles
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what an insult..
its not supposed to be one its an observation
its ironic you say i write like someone annoyed with children because that indirectly portrays you as the child...
(you did call yourself low tier before so i guess not surprising?)
i have never seen so much passive agressive and douchey writing in a debate about video games
you can only imagine how you handle a serious topic lmao
you think this is a debate about videogames? reading comprehension still 0
exactly...
so you just agreed youre reading comprehension is 0.. weird
i agreed that you write like a douchebag and cannot talk about video games without doing so
on god i have never seen someone use parenthesis and quotes so agressively over such an innocous topic
you got some weird ass comment at the end of every point you make its insanity
ive never seen someone that cant read try to talk about anything and just burry their heads in the sand at every chance they are presented with how utterly wrong they are all the time
Guys isn’t it better just to try to figure out how it differs in bf1 and bf5 and after that figure out what you like more?
As I told I like when bullets go more where your sight goes. I guess some people like it some people hate it it’s ok
we cant have a civil discussion like that without nyphon doing some femcel passive agressive horseshit lol
thats the thing, the mechanics are more subjective than objective, but people want to act like their preferences are a universal truth
you realize i was talking to you normally and you just started the shit throwing for no reason right?
like that
its like you have a skewed perspective of what happens, even though chat is logged and dated and conveniently in order...
what is passive about that comment...
you made the wrong connection
Can you both just stop that please? You are not discussing a game anymore
welcom to talking to apollo 101
the irony is that you originally said most people here agree with you (they dont) but you got me off topic asking for sources and calling me petty instead of talking about gameplay
yeah i know that i am
i just enjoy that they think they dont it is kind of fun
youre either a god tier troll or an actual moron
this is also ironic because you made the wrong connection thinking i called this passive agressive, instead of you having a skewed perspective yourself and making the wrong connections
immediatley after you said i did that :D
if you are trolling, you are probably happy about the praise for being a good one which is sad, but i guess when youre desperate for a win, a win is a win
least condescending nyphon quote
its the most condescending quote, but i dont expect you to be able to be able to read
femcel coded
im legitimately concerned for you be it if you are trolling or if this is genuinely is just who you are because both suck for you and anyone that has to interact with you
troglodyte detected opinion rejected
Guys we were just discussing shooting patterns in a video game
Which are not that different at all
god forbid a man enjoys his evening
You should have seen last night. I'm amazed Apollo is even here still.
You are actually hitting where your sight is moving not where you aim with a centre of the screen.
Thats a big one, but also the fact that spread to recoil means your guns sometimes recoils in bizarre ways. It can recoil downward. Thats why it feels bad on smgs for me specifically, cause they have the less inherit recoil so its all just the s2r
i was so confused what p2r was and was trying to google it
Idk how that typo happened tbh
i always felt like if you could generally ignore what p2r is doing and know the strong generality of where the recoil is going to go youre golden
visually it is a mess but i tune it out
same for spread, but s2r just feels terrible to shoot. If the guns dont feel good to shoot, why bother?
im an "whats the end result" kind of guy, so if i feel more consistent i dont really care about the inbetween, with bfv recoil i feel way more consistent across all weapons, especially in regards to smgs at range, so im all for it
(except for smgs with stupidly high HREC, which only makes sense)
or you just use weapons that essentially ONLY have VREC with marginal spread and wreck
the value of options
one good thing about bf constantly tweaking their bf formula
(except 2042)
Nah 2042's gunplay is pretty different from V's. Most of the new systems didnt transfer over.
which blows my mind
its like they tried for a mix of bfv and bf1 gunplay to please both sides and just picked the bad qualities of both?
Granted, most new systems adding in 1 and 4 also didnt get brought over
im glad they got rid of a bunch of shit bf1 had
which ones?
sweet spot, gas nade/mask, elites, behemoths
im probably missing a couple since i feel i normally type more about that
I like elites and behemoths, they were fun and never felt annoying to go up against. But I dont think behemoths really fit in other setting except maybe the far future.
Gas mask and nade strike are also kinda ww1 exclusive for the most part. I wish they did more with it like that gas mortar in the final dlc.
Yeah, a lot of the stuff bf1 added really only fits in the ww1 setting. Like, the only thing there that fits outside the setting could be elites, but they're just a more complex version of the random weapons you could pick up in 4.
The Sniper Sweet Spot is the only thing I really didn't like though. Everything else was good considering the setting they were using.
I feel like sweet spot would have been great if it was only for infantry rifles and maybe the martini.
Cause its a ww1 game, you want a standard bolt action to be viable to use, but you dont want them to be 1 shot machines in close range.
Imo, it would've been better if it was more visible when you were in the sweetspot. Most of the time the sweet spot did anything for me it felt like I got a random crit without doing anything special
how would you make that visible though?
or maybe it could be reverse damage falloff for a while so it feels more gradual?
Reverse damage falloff could work. Though, I do feel like it would feel very weird at times. Like, if you shoot someone 5 feet away from you, you'd think they'd take a lot of damage. But with reverse damage falloff it could do near nothing
bit inherit to either solution though
Yeah. Though, Imo, damage shouldn't be the thing that they change to make snipers less powerful up close. To make people use snipers more like actual snipers, making the scoping time longer or making it less whip-able is best.
There is still the issue of making infantry bolt action rifles reliant on a headshot.
Yeah BF4 has gone from "Huh okay infantry fighting isnt the worst" to its back to being the worst game ive fucking played again.
Unless they go back to the drawing board and lean further into ww1 weaponry
The only populated DLC Servers are fucking red ping and filled with ximmers and degenerate shitters.
This game is not good. Holy fucking shit 😭
Do you play on console or pc?
Honestly, I've never run into any of the issues you've talked about in all of my time playing 4. Though, that might be due to me just vibing whenever I get on
Console
Its all golmud.
Its all fucking golmud.
Theres 3 servers and two are fucking red ping
Im close to uninstalling this shit.
Yeah, that's the one issue I've seen. Golmud is a virus on 4. Like 20 out of the 25 alive servers run Golmud 24/7
I personally really like Golmud but I can see why people wouldn't like it.
I WAS having fun with the infantry fights. But jesus christ. The quickplay feature is dead. All I can play on are laggy servers.
I'm a console player fighting MNK players because apparently that shits just normal now thanks to some Microsoft feature?
The quickplay feature has been dead for a while. The only way to find good servers is the server browser
Also, the laggy servers is most likely just because a ton of the servers are North American. I can see why you'd want to uninstall because of that though. laggy servers are the worst (I assume you meant laggy as in high ping)
He's just 'grrrr me no liek people who think different so me be grumpy all the time' incarnate. It's best to ignore him because he just shits on you for having an opinion.
LMAOOOO
there are a lot of negative energy and wannabe edgy folks here on this server. it is really best to ignore them as by not fueling them might make them finally log off and touch grass.
Why do shitters abuse head glitches when you're literally dumpstering their team.
I need to play Op locker and just hit 170 kills but some braindead is going "Haha ur trash" when he 5v1's me but literally folds when hes not on a headdie.
Then another dumbass shows me his MNK gameplay going "Its not MNK" like.. Dude.
Why are BF4 players so bad 😭
Like the guy was literally 84-40 for most of the match while I was sitting on 150-40 because of a shitty stalemate
LITERALLY
Just absolutely the worst kinds of people possible.
yea fr it is really bad it is why i dropped bf4 that and population in OCE not that good
101-53 was his score and i'm at 171-48 with mainly the SAR-21 and hes still losing with a P90 😭
In CQC
RIGHT?
damn why he even chattin crap at you lol
And then the MNK user was using M16 G18 and his aim is literally full sensitivity and aiming perfectly
Because I called him a shitter for RPGing me 🥴
oh you on console? ximmers are the biggest degens
Apparently you can just play on MNK thanks to some Microsoft thing
My friend says hes been playing on MNK. But he didnt say it was XIM.
But yeah ximmers are genuinely the biggest degens.
i played bf4 a couple of months ago console at a mates house and the ximmers just made me stop. i main pc generally.
Yeah but then its hackers. ;-;
I'm literally only playing it because "You didnt give it enough time!!"
Bro I played an hour and hated it and getting used to the infantry fighting again and NOTHING has changed lmao
Battlefield 1 is goated
BF1 > BF4 ez
idk how bf1 going though pop wise and the quality of player base
BF1 is a more fun experience tbh despite its own bullshit lmai
Its okay pop wise.
Similar situation where its mainly operations and laggy servers
Kinda wish Hardcore mode didnt disable minimap or at least disabled snipers.
1000m a guy in a bush just one shotting people in their spawn. Fucking..
I'm so disappointed in you, DICE.
Lmao
delta force > battlefield because free speech
DICE are clowns for making battlefield so censored
the point of shooter games was always obvious-- to be edgy and cater to actual gamers, aka people who play games and like to let loose and enjoy the chaotic community
battlefield censoring is thus a tragedy; for they miss a key part of first person shooter culture, to be unacceptably violent and unconcerned with pandering
We need more people to stand up for free speech to be allowed in gaming
End this "gamers run by journalism" nonsense
what is it that you want to say to people?
i always have to ask that question. i think people cussing each other out and having some light banter should be fine. however slurs, harassment and telling people to unalive themselves is not it. where do you draw the line?
He and Apollo are still on about that shit oh my god.
And yeah TENCENT doesnt give a fuck.
Explain that to Digital Extremes. Creators of Unreal Tournament.
Aka Warframe devs.
I don't draw the line besides blatantly illegal shit like hacking to find an address
you know, anything that actually compromises safety
Warframe is trash lmfao
most gamers have already forgotten that name because of how genuinely bad it was
well that is where you lose me. slurs and the like i mentioned are ridiculous things to defend lol.
You're delusional then.
"Most gamers forgot" Yet like 100k+ players are on. Currently.
Which is more than Battlefield i'm pretty surem
more than battlefield is absolutely not a flex you clown
It has more players than Destiny 2 now (aka a really big important game)
100k is like, enough for a decent niche community
I'd guess that touhou's got around 100k people active in the community in some way
if not more due to music
Listen buddy, you're delusional. You aint got the authority to say shit lmao
destiny 2 was made in... 2017
yeah guess what battlebit has more players than black ops 2 right now, guess battlebit
is somehow much more significant
I think it's perfectly reasonable to defend it
shooter games are inherently a fairly offensive idea which is exactly why the media absolutely despised them, similar to rock music and how fucked up that'd be at times (deserved reputation or not)
then it got absorbed into pop and now who cares
the same thing is happening with gaming unfortunately, however, there's a lot of holdout gamers
My point is essentially that gaming generally should be a refuge from conformity to politics etc., part of that is free speech, especially in games that people go to for edgy reasons
Like GTA, or well, shooters
i have a large vocabulary so i don't need slurs or to tell people to unalive. i also have maturity enough to have restraint not to harass people.
some rough curse words and banter all good. other stuff just aint it.
I'm a guy who writes as a hobby so I naturally have a fairly good vocabulary, I still like cursing people out and stress relief via gamer raging
idk defending slurs is a bit low iq
that statement in itself is "low iq" lol
I'm just defending free speech
cause I'll be honest it's really easy to mute people or turn off the chat
in like every game
no it isnt i am sorry to tell you. plus the first ammendment dont apply to a private server lol
the point is that people who say a shit ton of profanity and have a bucket of slurs and insults aren't usually problematic people, it was/is typical fare for a shooter, great for stress relief (and stress gain)
Gaming is a retreat, and capping speech is limiting how good it is as one
I'm well aware it doesn't, dude
also for a guy with great vocabulary, your grammar is certainly lacking
you know what's way more egregious than banning slurs?
banning discussion of the actual third reich in a ww2 game
now THAT is ridiculous if not revisionist
bro it is discord not a phd thesis lad calm down
maybe you need more in your life if you going to get this up in arms over what goes on in the chat of a video game lol
I'm the kinda guy who takes my hobbies seriously
Think almost everyone does if they can call it a hobby
People get pissed over baseball games that "their" team loses or insulted over music they don't like
if anything I'm being pretty reasonable
you are not being reasonable at all. i already said my line is at coarse language and banter. i think harassment, slurs, threats, telling people to unalive and what not should be out. however i will say that generally people should control their emotions and stop making everything about them constantly. big major character syndrome occurs in many gaming lobbies.
what's wrong with people saying unhinged shit that nobody except super unhinged people will take seriously?
its a shooter game lol
was apollo in the room with you?
i was talking about bfv gunplay idiot
why are you defending that behaviour so hard? lmao..... makes me wonder
Well, besides my personal investment in enjoying being offensive
I also agree with free speech deeply on moral principle
investment in enjoying being offensive? i would probably put it more appropriately investment in being cringe.
oh no!! I'm cringe for enjoying freedom
i understand banning racial slurs in a terms of service but i think censorship is cringe i mostly have a beef with ea banning the words h!tler and n@zi in a ww2 game and pretending they dont exist
plus it is their service and game. so there rules. not being able to say a slur in a chat of a video game does not equal you are opressed dude lol
yeah people forget how ridiculous this is
it is a private server which can have a private tos but i think that is ridiculous in those examples
who said I was oppressed by dice
c'mon buddy
i will agree the banning of those words relating to WW2 is overreach fr
yeah but authority is always right!
@forest siren right buddy?
the other 2 dumbass kids in the server here disagree
three dumbass kids
the regular and the two booster seat clowns
isnt this insane
i mean tbh i dont even know how those topics come up in a game chat as it is not relevant to the playing of the game
meanwhile you are in fact playing AS his goons
people just idly talk about history in ww2 games i play
lol it even makes sense in roleplay
as if soldiers never talked at all about history when deployed
i play ww2 games much much more than modern war games because i am a history buff especially for that era and there are a ton of people like that on games like this i shoot the shit with them about war stuff all the time
also yeah that's part of the fun
i never once seen it in fps game. i mean i seen it in like strategy and rts games
prob cause you play censored games
probably ea games
no lol
bro in phantom forces, a roblox game, we used to discuss history of war lol
thats what im sayin
i was playing a ww2 game and we were losing bad and someone said "at least we still have steiners assault"
it was hilarious
LOL
you lose that charm and audience when you do silly shit like this
i mean you should be able to talk about it as i dont think it crosses any lines
it is history
ea devs are too stupid to realize that portal is killing battlefield 2042
don't expect much from them
heres one now
So far its just been "SHOOTERS ARE OFFENSIVE SO I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE A DEGENERATE AND SAY AWFUL THINGS TO OTHER PLAYERS"
Like thats such.. Dumb fucking logic 😭
oh here it comes
to quote your friend, your reading comprehension is not where it should be
Literally read one fucking blocked post dont get excited
read a few more before you jump in robin
now that is a fart sniffing comment
Remember you two literally show up as "Blocked message"
these people💀
How about you read at all? Like? Lmao.
?
didnt you just say you arent reading
Literally no one wants to discuss why you want to be awful pieces of shit without consequence anymore, get.
literally? like, lmao.
I aint tapping ya posts anymore, i hope you know that.
like? lmao
i mean freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence either
Thats what ive been saying
well what you were saying was this
this is just dumb as hell lmao
literally, like? lmao
like thats such.... dumb fucking logic😭
But they dont fucking READ that and ignore it. Like no dude, in the real world you'll either get thrown in jail for hate speech or beaten for speaking to people like an asshole or saying some stupid shit.
"But its against the law 🥴" the cops wont give a shit.
this is your brain on corporate shilling ^
how about you read at all? like, lmao
thrown in jail for hate speech for mentioning the word n@zi or h!tler
good thing people like you arent taken seriously
unfortunately this is a bit of an echo chamber
its like talking to 9 hr bitches at once
bet you actually think the world agrees with you
i mean if you were talking history in my lobby i would tell you stop as you are clogging comms or mute/block.
and i would ignore you and youd mute me
all good in the hood
its a god damn video game idle conversation is good for you
Here in Canada if you call a muslim some slur they're gonna surround you or punch you in the face.
Its not that "The world agrees with me" its just a fact of nature.
oh wait you clowns actually do think the world agrees with you
you are the only one talking about slurs
of course they do
apollo don't fall for it its a slippery slope!! if you unban historical discussion it'll fall into unbanning harassment and doxxing!!!
average trudeau fan canadian
yall can enjoy your commonwealth of england draconic shit we dont play that lol
You dont have to agree with me. I'm telling you right now: You act like a piece of shit or you say something stupid to the wrong person and you're gonna have a broken nose or worse.
Like you two come off as minors who think they can get away with anything because "Its acthually akainst the Loaw to hurt people"
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-definitive-ranking-of-the-photos-in-that-sexy-justin-trudeau-calendar/
@forest siren You'd love this article
i have idle conversation with my friends in private voice chats not in pub chat
thats good for you
you genuinely support violence against free speech lol
that tells us basically everything we gotta know about you
you cant just assault people for talking about history
if this happened irl I'd assume they were part of that party
bruh why are you two on your soapbox in a battlefield server pushing your views on everyone. nobody actually cares.
because you cant assault people for that in the united states
Literally nobody cares.
what a co out
hold on how many messages did you send to us yesterday
lets tally
obviously you care if you're chopping it up with us forever
get off the soapbox then take the soap with you
stay in school buddy
look dummy
Like theyre either two teenagers trying to be edgy (which at that point imma just DM a mod and ask them to yknow.. Do their job) or theyre genuinely some weirdo trolls.
the girl who doesnt care is writing a paragraph about not caring
it's like crush denial except not wholesome or cute at all, just pathetic
LMAO
Yeah you're 100% a teenager lmao.
how about we get back to talking about battlefield aye?
hold on let me get you a tsundere copypasta
you are probably a kid yourself if ur dumb enough to make your discord your full name
"discussion about legacy Battlefield titles pre 2042!"
battlefield 2142 > battlefield 2042
it's just math
hall monitor
who gives a fuck💀
the mods do
someone call the guards, these folks have lost their composure
average "FLANK HERE DON'T GO HERE DO THIS DO THAT" fan vs "Move to the marked objective!" enthusiast
ive seen you in an argument in this chat for the past 3 days lol
you look like a fetus
if you brought a hammer to his head it probably would be an egg salad
i think we can see now their argument about wanting to talk about history is mute. they just want to slur it up.
weird pfp bro
fr
dont suppress my freedom of choosing a profile pic
nah
calling it weird aint even close
using my freedom to criticize your awful taste
so soft
this is how you know EA sucks, they would ban us for this but they are too bad at their job to already have done it
only people talking about slurs and opression is you fine folks
they WANT more oppression lmfao
I bet they'd start cheering if the US suddenly allowed death penalty for any history they don't like
right my dudes? history is bad
we shouldn't learn it or talk about it
cringey chat rn
how can the government kill a subject
I blame @midnight wave
@midnight wave what your favorite battlefield bruh?
battlefield 5
of course
i was playin that before
battlefield 1 > battlefield 5
1 >
battlefield 3 mega underrated
vehicles are better in 5 so i play 5
i also like the gunplay in it more
choosing scopes and making builds is cool
bfv is alright. i do prefer 1
yea because 5 has better vehicles
bf4 is terrible rn
ur opinion is ass
cool
bf5 vehicles feel so much worse
but they are better
why you gotta be edgy bruh? nobody is impressed lol
yet you ping dude here lol
battlefield 5 can have 3 different variants on a single tank or a plane
so can 1
and thats cool
its not the same tho
it is better
thoughts on worst battlefield?
5 can allow you to put different stats to make it better
i think hardline was the worst
havent played enough to say
one big plus of battlefield 5 is also the lack of mortars and artillery trucks
huge fucking negative
how many have you played?
a little 4, alot of 1 and 5
oh ok so not that much. ok fair to not talk to worst one.
i play support cuz they have cool guns and kit
trust me tho hardline was a confused mess
in 5 they have shotguns so i have more reason to play them
also that the repair tool got implemented into his kit
the only redeeming quality of bf5 and the only thing it does better than bf1 is building
the way the vehicles interact with the ground and air in bf5 feels like shit
weapons feel and sound cheaper
that only applies to specific pacific maps
it applies to the entire game
bfv was so lit when pacific dropped tho..... then came the death patch oof
aa tanks can fix those interactions
no the way the tanks feel on the ground feels like shit
they have way worse traction then bf1 feel cheap
wdym?
I probably woulda enjoyed 5 more if the respawn timers werent so atrocious tbh
theyre better than in 1 honestly
the tanks feel terrible on hills in bfv especially compared to bf1
im in battle quicker than waiting 10 seconds most of the time
Especially given how often you will die in Conquest thanks to the tanks and bombers being genuinely batshit
tanks arent supposed to be used on hills and mountains
it applies to real life too
coz bfv when they put that patch that completely tanked gunplay ttk wise it was goofy. like all my friends playing daily just hopped off.
they literally invented tanks to cross the fucked up terrain in no mans land because normal cars sucked
When it comes to Death to Map, BF5 is really bad for it. But I guess in terms of Map to Battle I can see 5 being better. I havent played it enough (it pissed me off nearly as fast as 4 did)
but the no mans land isnt a mountain is it
have you
seen it
the craters end up with mountain like angles bruh
cars cant just do that
its not
a big enough crater is basically a god damn hill
stop calling me names pls
holy shit
See now even an argument with BF5 and craters and hes going off on people. 🤭
if you think calling someone dense is going off i would hate to see you actually get in an argument
i dont want to be reliant on people fending off enemies
You clearly wouldnt know since you seem to never have gotten into a real life argument or anything at all.
bruh calm down, you not impressing anyone lol
dumbest shit youve said💀
it is but id rather operate a vehicle myself
get outta the chat you bum
LMAO
i like tanks as their own rather than as pure infantry support
Yeah yeah, go call a jock an ape and see what happens dude 🤭
A JOCK LMAOOOOOOO
yes cuz battlefield is known for its accuracy in gameplay
this bitch thinks its a high school tv show
My brother in christ
I have never met a jock who'd gaf lol
it's not 2010
Okay fine would lil guy prefer Gym Rat? My goodness.
bro thinks its 1985
i am a gym rat for cage fighting💀
try and stay on topic. i know it is hard when everyone is iq diffing you in this channel rn. you can do it tho, i believe in you.
I think the reason this poor lady doesn't know gym lingo is cause her 400 lbs hasn't been to one
this wasnt even on topic
High matabolism means i weigh 100 or so pounds actually so cope and seethe normie
matabolism
you cant even spell metabolism
now that is a new misspelling
Oh jesus the brainrot from these two. "Oh a SPELLING MISTAKE? THATS A LASHING" like fucking christ i cant stop laughing
grammar policing on discord lmao so edgy
That's just fucking gross dude LMAO
free speech is not an excuse
these guys are for real children. i think maybe they should investigated whether they even meet minimum age requirements for discord use lol
You guys wouldn't know him, great yankee though
never heard anyone other than some kind of incel talk about cope and seethe loser
if you want to help free speech you can try arguing more respectfully
these people 💀
this chat was going regularly fine until @forest siren decided to show up
a good argument doesnt require insults
relatively fine* wow my brain is off
the nyphon dork doesnt contribute much either
no argument requires insults, but burgers sometimes pair quite well with a drink
thats just
the burger being the main course and the drink helping wash it down
im tripping on the "go call a jock an ape and see what happens"
silly
what tf is this high school musical
the drinks are the insults meant to break up monotony
keep things lively
the burger is the actual substance
a good spoken argument can also keep things lively
good spoken eh
your burger sucks
my ideal burger is actually quite delicious
i feel like its ragebait
I'd pair game e.g. elk and/or venison patties (up to three) with some delicious blue cheese, a small layer of avocado, fried onion rings, probably some swiss in there, mushrooms
probably lol
Oh absolutely lol
so i guess its time to stop
you think egg and bacon on a burger is rage bait?
anyway
come on, this is just one of them ingame battlefield 4 chat conversations
sorry guys I'm fantasizing
but
The point is that you guys gotta chill
you're really hungry arent you
they think egg and bacon on a burger is rage bait
we could be discussing battlefield right now
they are missing tf out
i feel sorry for the lobbies these guys carry on with this in lol
its 5am, I last ate a plate of spaghetti at 9pm or so
my lobbies love my flying
just stop responding to them
its fine
i feel you on that one
when i play bf1 im like the red baron
another thing i like about battlefield 5 is the planes
fighters are fast asf and bombers just bomb
they are way less balanced in bfv
heavy bombers are always banned in bf1 cuz itss broken
it is realistic but you cannot dogfight the zeros
planes are legit better in bfv than bf2042 though
but you can have its equivalent (ju-88) and just bomb freely
heavy bombers are free food for fighters
bf2042 planes have no purpose but crashing into spawn
bfv planes are cool but terribly balanced
realism > balance baby!!!
the us fighters cannot dogfight the zero, its realistic but less fun then bf1 skill based planes
theres also not animations to go to the back seat so repelling planes isnt too hard either
we pick and choose when this applies (it doesnt to tanks)
unfortunately that is the faith of every plane/jet that i pilot, no matter the game
i wish i couldve played the old ju-88 cuz it had like 32 50kg bombs on it
I suck so much at piloting that sometimes it unfortunately doesn't make it there
my favorite thing to do in a video game is dogfight
this is gonna be out into the left field
i pride myself on my turnfighting
i instantly get stingers on my ass when i leave the spawn
but it'd be cool to have a battlefield equivalent to zeppelin wars
or other pilots
bf1 imo is the perfect battlefield
i wouldnt use the term perfect but for sure the best
i haven't played bf1 in such a long time
for what i want out of a battlefield game its everything
after learning about putting cannons and shit on a zeppelin and deploying mini zeppelins and tiny bomber airplanes, I want battlefield to have it
remember playing it on ps4
guys, should i buy bf5 or bf2042
2042
you sure? i've seen the ratings so low
the games are not really comparable
bfv i want to like so bad im a huge ww2 buff but its so bad
ratings are low because 2042 had a bad launch
since they are both set in different times
it's improved since then
like it has its moments especially flying but its so bad
Alot of people prefer 5 for its overall "Battlefield" like gameplay but 2042 is FINE.
Its not the best but it struggles.
2042 is ass imo
what does it mean by a bad launch?
i kinda fw 2042 ngl
i think mfs should play 4 and 1
bad game at launch
2042 was basically unplayable on launch.
battlefield V is a riskier option
oh
Its a decent game now.
me and all of my friends preordered it played it on day 1 and uninstalled
2042 has less potential
that stadium match i had when i was like 3h into the game was so good
bfv can truly be trash sometimes
i think bfv is at least playable i just think its a shitty battlefield the maps have terrible flow
it does look good though visually
I mean if its on sale for like less than 10 bucks, get it. No harm in trying it out
stadium is an awesome map imo
puts a lot of pressure on teamwork and being smart with conquest
i loved it the first time i played it
bf1 maps are so so so much better than bfv maps its insane
i mean, my friend has 2042, he uninstalled bfv sadly
if bfv had good maps it could change everythihng
just moving from cover to cover and helping the teammates
aerodome is one of the worst fucking battlefield maps i have ever seen in my life its so one dimensional and shit
covering them while they help others get up without the fear of a heli blowing your and your teammates heads off
my least favorite bf1 maps feel infinitely better than bfv best
no sense of flow in the entire game
but tbh hiding in some bush while a tank drives by and you have like 10hp is also kinda cool
that is if you survive
battlefield 2042 could jump from 7/10 to 8/10 if they had better destructible buildings
there's like 2 destructible buildings per map lol
(besides that falling sign)
Honestly? Eh. As cool as it was to see buildings fall and stuff: As an Infantry player I want tanks to stay in their own lane and not disrupt infantry play as much.
though the falling skyscraper on siege of shanghai is so bad in the fallen state
Because nothings more fun than watching all your cover fucking vanish and turning a point into a vehicle only point
Forcing you elsewhere.
c5
Literally anyone with a brain would back up.
It’s absolutely ass
... c5
still works
smoke + c5 is deadly
Yes let me throw C5 at the tank currently 50m out.
idk Bad Company 2 days still where i had the most fun
Thats.. Not going to work unless you're fighting actual bots.
ngl my will to play this map goes down like 60% when i see that shi falling
BC2 was fun but I couldnt stay into it
Ive been spoiled by modernization and Planetside 2
i remember wanting to clean out the higher floors with transport heli on shanghai but then i realized that most likely a transport heli wont even make it to the top floor
that would be cool though if you could just do this without an attack helicopter on your ass
shanghai sweats ruin the mood
i never enjoyed shanghai
Shanghai was the first map i had some fun on when trying BF4 recently
Its not the best map but its not terrible either
The only real interesting part of shanghai is the giant tower
it is for sure not the worst map
that is if the skyscraper is still up
Everything else for me is meh
the best thing about it falling is the moment it falls
everything after that is just boring af
they should have had a second tower
oh and maybe jumping out of it while it collapses is cool too
Yeah like the levolution is cool and all. For the time it was bloody amazing. Its just.. Alot of it either doesnt change the map well enough or its just a one and done explosion of sorts
it was fun to jump out of it when it going down.
jumping off, chuting down to my buddies tank. i mean queue the mission impossible music fr.
and then queue the match losing music since an enemy sweaty pilot just wiped you and your entire team out
yea i think imma just download 2042
Fair enough lmao
it is the solid call between 2042 and bfv
To me personally, 2042. The guns come off as "Laser beamy" and recoil management isnt super hard, but you know you're hitting targets. And most guns are viable.
warning for offensive commentary💀
hmm alrr
All the ARs can reach out to 50-80 meters with good recoil control (again, not super hard) or most of them can.
yea i see a wider array of weapons used in 2042. bfv there is a more strict meta.
Yeah exactly
i like when a game has people using all sorts of weapons. feels like battlefield and fps games of old.
Same! Theres genuinely alot of variety with the guns. You cant go wrong with running whatever you want.
You still got some outliers right now. SVK, RPT, Avancys, Bizon
As examples. But all the guns are pretty good.
Maybe except BC2/BF3 pistols.
I still hope we get the AUG or XM8 in main 2042 though
Think there is the xm8 lmg in aow for 2042
yea the good ol aug would be lit
Anyone know the best way to get free battlefield coins? All my 2042 operators look lame af
Look good play good as I say
you cant get them for free in 2042 
I'm sure there's a way to get free coins
Honestly, it's worth mentioning that if you were to simply say; 'stop censoring history' or speak any logic here, you'd have at least two or three butthurt fanboys slavering over you like chihuahuas. I expected this type of infantile behavior from cod, but given the fact DICE and EA want to pander to them so feverously, I guess we finally got the cod manbaby demographic here. Why they'd want that is beyond me. It's honestly entertaining at how angry and pissy they get, I might just have to make popcorn and have it on standby when I post.
Try asking in the #battlefield-2042 channel
Lfg
no more battlepasses so idk 
Only 10 games have over 100k players currently on steam…
Warframe is ranked 27th…
Warframe has those amounts mostly on huge updates
People come back grind out a few hundred hours and take a break
its weird you attribute being a manbaby to people simply understanding and stating why dice doesnt allows slurs in game despite the words being a focal point of the game when the other half is crying they cant say slurs.. i dont care about slurs being in the game or not.. i knew pizza was going to come join apollo from the get go
average is typically around 40-50k, which puts them in the top 50 EASILY
Yea its a rly good game and everything u can pay for u can grind for
topic isnt about quality or how fair the game is, ive never played it
just saying 100k players is niche is fucking stupid as shit and saying warframe is forgotten now is equally as stupid
Warframe is at its peak atm
🤷
Theyre beinging in the first warframe or exoframes idk
Also bf4 ppl i play with these times are so fun i love that game
Played with niveacreme
Intel i7-4800
Some random ppl
My id is skybri i had to join the gang, and the chopper jet gods still play bf4
Played with a guy that was 104/0 or with 1 death i dont rememver
And on a little bird
Was slamming ppl with the chopper literally, such a superior flier
the last time i said that they told me i want to say slurs and why thats wrong😭😭
you say the words being at a focal point of the game, so you think n@zi is a slur?
warframe is an excellent game it just is unfortunately full of furries and or weebs
Some people are just void of joy and want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.
clearly
it doesnt matter if i think its a slur or not, gamers use it as a slur and dice/ea generally ban it because of that
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
of course in the context of a ww2 its not a slur, but that has no bearing on why its chat banned
i dont think you know what a slur means
you cant just use any word as a slur
no but some words carry two meanings
n@zi and h!tler do not
bring it up with dice/ea, for probably the 5th time i have never said it should be banned or not, never even touched that topic, just gave reasons why dice/ea likely ban it in general and why they wouldnt allow it just because its in the game
those reasons were 1. people use it as a slur, 2. carries multiple meanings
neither makes sense
🤷
maybe saying that word was also a part of the germany ban alongside showing its flag? and like you hinted at could just be lazy on dices side to not have two versions
that is a coherent defense for the lack of the flag, lazy and no localization sure. the chat ban of the name of a playable faction and their leader is absurd
at this point alt's points are more ridiculous than yours
k? idk the point in bringing them up
you and others might band together for similar ideas, but i certainly dont care to do that
because this is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read and in the same vein as this
also i dont know if this is true, i dont necessarily advocate for free speech on private mediums but criticize restrictions i think are absurd and in poor taste. i never said you should be able to say anything on a private server
Apollo why are you still going on about this? Lmao.
!!r4
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Let this go back to Battlefield not "Mot being able to say certain words in context of the war is bad!! :cccc"
I think BFV plays better than 1, but I like the unlock system in 1 a lot more than V
why did alt block me
lmao
I forgot

Main thing I like about V as opposed to 1 is that anti vehicle kits actually feel good
the tank hunter kit in bf1 is insane
Yeah if you can get it
Chances are it was me complaining about something and you were acting like an ass, which is when I block people.
But I genuinely forgot what you did or said lmao
and if you have squadmates who always resupply your tankgewehr ammo 
But general troop combat feels more fun to me in BF1
the main thing i miss from bf1 is the melee combat
I agree
What I dont like from either of the games but I found worse in 5 is the melee combat
I find vehicles in general ruin a lot of the fun for me in BF1 though
It always felt like a cheap way out of a losing gunfight.
its worse but still better than the 3rd person stuff from 2042 
Yeah i miss the first person stuff tbh
I know horses aren't OP at all and it's a total skill issue but horses annoy tf out of me
1st person takedowns feel more personal 
The takedowns in 1 are brutal
My issue with the mechanic in 5 though is that theres too much range. Its like Titanfall 2 with how far it magnetizes you to an enemg
passchendaele is the only map where i enjoyed using the horse 
I should have a clip where an enemy was like 3 meters away from me, and then teleported to me for a melee finisher
remember bf3 knife takedowns?
the range was crazy
Yeah they were lmao
But yeah troop combat feels so good in bfv
Especially with stuff like crouch running
THAT we need more of.
And crawling backwards as well
i want my V1 rocket back 
Like I dont like 5 but it had alot of QOL stuff that should be standard in BF games i think
The squad call ins in V are so busted
idk if you played delta force but the cruise missile is like twice as strong as the V1 
I'll try the game out on my Xbox one but I really doubt itll replace 2042
it wont
I don't think the specialist system is outright bad perse, but it's not what I'm looking for in a battlefield game
hello guys anyone know how to fix Can't connect to EA servers in bf 1?
i have 24 hours playtime and im already bored, but it probably just might be the lack of maps
Like alot of people seem to want it to succeed, which is fine. But its straight up 2042 but F2P so the cosmetics people complain about on reddit are going to be worse
Yeah for sure
And its TENCENT so you know that shits going to be riddled with cosmetics.
true 
I honestly didn't mind the battlepacks in 1 all that much
also f2p means many cheaters
Yup
Bingo
Thats why i'm not too excited.
the bots are already cracked
The fact that theyre named like real people too is what confuses me. Like they have TTV in their name
not all of then have ttv in their name afaik 
Not all yeah but its just weird to me lmao
I like being able to put a 76 on my sherman
I've seen people doing the most brainless movement and suddenly turning 90 degrees to beam me from mid range without having ttv in their name 
The combat i found okay with 5. Not my favourite but i did good with it until a tank or bomber deleted me 🤭
Sounds about right for bots tbh
the bombers are fine now, pre-nerf bombers were crazy
Yeah again I like vehicles in V because it doesn't feel as broken as in 1
i kinda miss the old JU88 with 32 bombs 
Idk if it's just a skill issue but the anti vehicle options in bf1 have never felt strong to me
Tank hunter kit aside
Yeah thinking about it? You needed like 3 other assaults just to kill a single mark 4
Basically
I'm sure it's intentional, but it definitely makes combat feel bad sometimes
Which on one hand I dont mind because they handled like ass and lacked the modern optics like thermals. So seeing infantry in mud is hard.
On another hand jesus christ 😭
the fun stopped when someone in the back camped with the artillery truck for the entire round
Yep
Ah yeah like my first operations where i had to stay in a pillbox or die from artillery
i saw many people with 100 service stars with the arti truck its not even funny 

That's just too much 😭
How do you have fun like that
Insane people
i played it mostly for building in bfv
its not like bf1 where it actually supports an offense well it seems like a backline thing
the machine guns are really good if you position yourself well though
The building is so fun
favorite thing about bfv by far
if bfv was much more like bf1 with building id love it
Hi Folks, my main system is getting a CPU upgrade so after 25 years I finally should soon be having the powerhouse to be able to stream.
I have planned to be streaming nearly all my in-game (spawned) time.
Sorry what?
25 years?!?
Currnent AMD 3700x upcoming OC’D Performance cores of 5900x3D
Yup have always had under performing hardware, since 2-3 years I own a x570 Mobo so I finally can, also my former system had a i7-950 (Quad Core) untill nearly the end in stead of the currently installed i7-990x (véry fast six core to this day when stably OC’D and kept cool with my favourite brand Noctua NH-D**)
Daaamn
Current system has the fastest possible RAM and a Noctua NH-D15 thus can keep 5800x3D cool, will be paired with best thermal pads the H-n-yw-ll PTM7950 which requires many burn-in cycles but thén it will be microscopic thin on thinnest location and is very conductive thus proper Collins performance for which it is designed.
Sheesh
I like that support has shotguns in V a lot though
But I tend to play recon or medic in V, since they're just really strong in that game
I expect builder will be surprised by capable stable overlock potential of the combo.

Sheesh
Yeah for a nearly whole life full time gamer waiting 25 years for acceptable hardware is a long time.
And still I ain’t happy because I wanna be playing 240Hz @ new tech standards which is currently (dual) 4K or single 8K…
8K I find way to slow to game on but nice for movies.
(Hoping to some day own a Dual 4K monitor or a 8K TV with 4k@240Hz or up FPS capable)
Honestly I don't think 4k is worth it
And 8k is a hard gimmick atm
But whatever floats your boat
I despites a RTX3090 had to game on a HD resolution due to CPU bottleneck.
HATED it after putting down 6K for my rig and a smaller rig donated to charity!
Still do not regret giving to charity, VERY B-tth-rt about time period I bought the systems in though!
2-3K for just my current GPU….still regret that daily, maybe that will be a reminisced after experiencing full potential of performance after upgrade and back online on main gaming rig.
Cpu bottlenecks are the real killer. It's why I started going overkill for my CPU as opposed to GPU
Just for movies, more and more content out there, I also will possibly be uploading 4K BF recordings, Will if capable play and record in upscaled eight thousand resolution at 60Hz…. (Outdated HD TV to play on)
After all once hardware is capable of 4K and recording.
Imíght be able to upscale to 8K60Hz(once I got a capture card…and that won’t be bought untill 4K240Hz / 8K144Hz) recording is a thing.
I will be upscaling resolution to 4K while playing in 1080@60Hz if hardware lets me.
Anyone from bf1 can tell me whats with people calling bob members cheaters?
or its just my cavalry performance?
I own a 5950x already new in box to be sold or kept for future upgrades depending on remaining budget after planned purchase list. (Textile related, PC’s NIC (and network) 10GbE upgrade. (Already got capable wiring in place in house for up to 40GbE in living room and bedroom)
Will as mention upgrade to more gaming capable 5800x3D since to my knowledge this is the fastest gaming CPU my MOBO Supports.
There are players across the globe calling out cheaters, this is contradictie and works agaínst stopping unfair play because it warns and téaches unfair players that they where spotted.
Best is to record, mention all time stamp related moment in videos as suspicious in comments, keep video hidden from public and report to EA and management of community/clan/groep of people with the player is associated.
This way the unfair play is dealt with over time in a manner not provoking others to endulge and join up to become unfair players.
unfortunately ea doesn't actually give a shit and does a terrible job at every turn in the management of the communities they are responsible for (i will be warned for offensive commentary for saying this)
but those things will realistically just not be adressed
the only thing ea seems to care about is stifling criticism of ea
To my knowledge mentioned community with capital B’s is a community/clan moderating and administrating there users well.
I hope to some day be able to join them again despites being inpatient at the time of removal.
Due to disabilities and enthusiasm I wanted to progress to quickly and thus ending up asking too much of management, they did something about it and I knew they had and I expect have a active management staff dealing with all kinds of situations every (minute) and hours…despites being outcasted…cudo’s forementioned community!
the ea community team is absolutely useless ( i will be punished for saying this much more than cheating would get me in trouble)
Nice, I've got a 7900x
I like mine a lot
If you wan’t ánything done on BF….do not complain about it untill You Yourself has dealt with it.
That means managing évery situation with reports at the right places and inclúding # and @ mentions of the persons dealing with it dírectly.
I advice to néver speak about unfair play unless explaining how to deal with it in a appropriate manner…same goes for communities.
Please
Lookup geo relevant info about community or clan or group of friends’s location.
Use that to find EA Community Managers and report the misconduct that took place the more people that encounter misconduct ánd report to appropriate places and management only then will it become a more pleasant experience for everyone…
General example:
I keep noticing comment about little happening and encountered mány thousands mentioning it and when asked not dealt with it…
This and other conduct can lead to a more negative experience and judgement.
In the end we all wanna have a good time and fun&laughter from time to time.
Folks please contribute…don’t just say, act upon it before going against a grain.
I think/expect not to will not to be upgrading untill one or many later generations have come out and 10GbE is a common standard. (The time of 144Hz@8K on TV’s…who knows, cannot “compute” Nore predict that far ahead)
I wish I had waited to upgrade and stuck with my EVGA GTX980 ACX 2.0 SC and i7-990x with stable very fast Six Core (Which I had wanted to OC to the max with stability in mind…still own that system for future recordings and streaming).
does anyone have any tips on sniping in battlefield 5?
just generally help with how to lead, and also the meter distance thats on the dot in the scope for battlefield 5
i think its 75 meters?
Leading depends
All the snipers have different muzzle velocities
So it's gonna depend on that for the most part
what sniper do you recommend?
I like the Japanese rifle, I can't remember the name
arisaka
Arisaka or something like that
Yeah
That one will tide you over until you get the Krag jorgensen
i have all the snipers
Then use the krag
im not new im just horrible at sniping in all battlefield games
Honestly there's no real shortcut to it, you've just gotta get used to it
Once you get a feel on a rifle you like you'll learn it in time
alright, thanks
do people who use recon usually mark for distances or use zeroing feature?
It's a little harder in 5 because sights don't have the zeroing marks on em
You can yeah
Zeroing makes your shots a lot easier
can krag jorgenson zero?
I can't remember
I think so
You can still make long shots without zeroing, you just need to get a feel for the rifle
I should say, use what feels comfortable
I just like the krag
Ok, thanks
whenever i hold down the button to zero, it does nothing in bf5 is ther a setting i have to set? didnt work with arisaka either
Arisaka doesn't have zeroing until you unlock the trait for it
Zeroing as a mechanic confuses the fuck out of me so I dont use it 😭
Is there a server for bf1 only
None that are big
Just ping an area and count the ticks on your scope
counterpoint: ea doesn't do shit when reports happen most of the time and people whining about hackers is a good thing, makes the game look bad and pressures ea to act (they wont) i still disagree with your idea that people shouldnt talk about it
Thats what i do, cause I know each tick is usually like 100m
zeroing is confusing until it clicks and then its second nature
instead of aiming above your target its just offsetting so you wouldnt have to at the correct range its like moving the crosshair up or down nothing crazy
Glad i'm forced into vanilla servers where tanks or some dumbass proned LMG player can just fucking beam me from 300m away
but when an AR does it in 2042 its an issue
Ah yeah nevermind, operation locker but its people who shouldnt be in the server + Ximmers + Exploiters (theres beacons in the walls like it was Reclaimed again)
Not impressed with BF4. People saying I didnt give it enough time made me waste time.
No kidding
Is there a way to counter when a plane is attacking me from behind in bf1? I’m usually cooked once they’re behind me and can’t shake them off lol
I be using the fighter planes
Nope, no means of dodging because the tickrate just says 'no'
I don't get why 150m is not standard for rifles
It's usually easier to land HS over distances with 150m
It could at least be possible to set them there by default in the settings
It is much easier to get used to 150m over 300m. The latter is just a faff and is rarely relevant as it applies on extreme distances
yea it truly is a waste of time. you probably getting told high tales from ximmers + exploiters wanting you to jump on to be their fodder lmao
Yeah probably. Mind you: Playing in a Op Locker match with 3200 tickets I can consistently hit 150+ kills and a roughly.. 2ish near 3 KD? KPM is another matter.
Most ximmers I have fought kinda fold when you pull meta on them so its literally just proving Ximming is a skill issue lmao
Maybe look into WR
WR?
Warsaw revamped
Ah
If you believe the community is shit, jump on board with WR
It'll solve most of your problems — by playing with bots onky
I see 128 players and I immediately know they know whatsup
Or respectable closed community
128, I don't care about that
I want bots and modding
And yeah nah i'd rather play with people. But Id also need a PC.
I'm a xbox player lmao
Pick a side, or start being picky
I'll look into it. Kinda looks similar to a Revival project which BC2/2142 were my first BF PC experiences
So maybe 4 plays better on PC?
You bet your ass BF plays better on PC
for real ximming is the crutch of the skilless
but yea get a pc blud
At least 2042 is fine on Xbox 😭
I wont give up on BF. So long as it doesnt die out for good. Because i'd go play Planetside 2 but thats not gonna last long enough.
I genuinely wish I could play BO2 right now. But I doubt the lobbies are normal (probably all modded like how MW2 turned out)
And that's
One of the reasons why I'm only playing with bots
Can't have shit when people are jerk off
Yeaaaaah
Plus to get away from abusive meta
At least bots don't always use meta!- you control however they do
Ah damn. Thanks
I’m back
if i buy skin does it fit on all tanks or no.
just had some great games of BF1, man that game is the sauce
What kind of sauce
That's what I'm on now, wish Battlelog was still supported to check challenges midgame
Don't use fighter planes, use the attack plane and switch to the gunner seat to fuck them up.
I know that trick so when someone do this I use incendiary munitions and escape, and after some seconds when I know they think I am going away I attack and annoy them again until they go down. I know how much stressful it is to switch seats everytime
Try to always have altitude advantage so you can see better and spot planes before them and if anything dive down, If they are behind you you can try the double split-s maneuver or flat scissors while you try to find a teammate that can help you
Happy to help
First game back playing BFV since December. Speed hacker running around with a blade lol
That must mean the game is riddled with cheaters if my first game back in months has them
On a DICE official server too. How can DICE endorse such acts
that's crazy
I've got 400+ hours on the game, can I still ask for a refund now that it's gone balls up?
switch to console
400+ hours and you asking if you can get a refund? Are you all there? You got your moneys worth lol. Yes of course it is not ideal the state the game has been left in but it is predictable it being an older title and not their focus.
console full of ximmers lol
a what?
google exists
well it would be nice of you to explain your statement
it is where you can use mouse and keyboard on console, makes it appear as a controller and grants aim assist to mnk
ah
thank you kindly
also i haven't experienced none of that, that i know of so it's chill.
bf4 is where it is a bigger plague
but there are sheningans on console happening too, not all pc lol
welp i haven't touched the bf4 for like good 6-7 years so i don't know the situation
but when i was playing it then, well i quit because of all them sweaty players
well dont play bf4 now despite what some people will tell you here, it is a circus
both pc and console is just all round a bad trip
battlefield 1 is the true goat tho
I had a blast playing some games on bf1 but finding a good lobby on xbox was a pain.
yea bf1 has its peak hours. i can only hit it at certain times being in OCE
bfv i can play pretty much all the time
2042 is a certain time thing in OCE
may I interest you in WR
it will be a better alternative
is warsaw revamped out tho?
same to you
soon.
however tbh i am not that interested in bf4. bf1 is my game.
1 is identical to 4 in terms of shitty servers and bad players
how is that any different?
i was having pretty good games here in OCE here the last couple of days. server admins were dealing with the scum of the earth immediately lol.
and how often do you people using the same old guns and loadout
the community here is small. if you get a bad name you in trouble.
same as any bf game. 2042 is actually the game where people use the most diff weapons.
My Times with bf4 have passed but it was a great game, i'm kinda more hooked on the Faster paced games like bf2042 or even the finals. (Movement and gunplay wise)
people are being pussy by using the same old guns
welp
I cannot save you from this hell
best of luck,..
however i was noticing bf1 the last couple of days people were using a lot of stuff. you had a few folks who still only use the autistico.
but i mean that gun only good cqc
you dumpster them beyond 15m
still
be diferent, use different weapons
dont be a dick and use smg8 or whatever is the meta
the server i was on admins were kicking smg8
meh