battlefield-legacy-titles

[dense bone]

me neither, but thats not the point of my comment

[leaden yoke]

Atleast this is better than cod

I get to run around Norway killing very bad germans

[dense bone]

pros and cons to the games that arent trying to do the same thing either

i like bf more, but that doesnt mean its just better than cod

[livid bay]

Eh, some movement mechanics are fine but others shouldn't be added. Tactical sprinting is good if done well. And stuff like the crouch sprinting in BFV was amazing. However, things like the wingsuit and ledge grabbing (BFV) that are done poorly make the game feel a lot worst.

(P.s. the movement isn't the main reason why people think 2042 was trying to be Cod. From what I've seen, it was the abundance of theme-negligent cosmetics and the lack of seriousness. It did contribute to it a bit though)

[dense bone]

most people agree the movement in bfv is the best of the series though

now if you dont want movement then sure, i can get not liking it, but as far as the mechanics existing and working, they are great

(especially in direct comparison to bf1 with its muddy movement)

[livid bay]

For the most part, yeah. A lot of what they added was amazing. Crouch sprinting, backwards crawling, and stuff like the rolling drop were perfect additions.

[dense bone]

in order of bf identify i will say its a mp fps > large scale > combined arms > class based > sandbox > warfare

more and better movement really only hinders the "warfare" aspect in terms of realism, but bf games rae not realistic so ehh

[livid bay]

Eh, I'd put class-based between sandbox and warfare or between combined arms and sandbox

the class system is a very big part of nearly every single BF game

[dense bone]

thats true, i forgot to add that one

[faint pecan]

Anyone on PC?

[dense bone]

Yes I do political correctness all the time

[wild jacinth]

I'm still amazed that bf 2042 came out in ps4

[junior torrent]

"no previous console players left behind"
Am I riiiiiight

[livid bay]

One of the many things that led to it's failure of a launch

[vale iris]

Im sorry you had to go on bfv

[dense bone]

bfv is the best bf

[dense bone]

why dont you like bfv?

[vale iris]

It’s just inaccurate, too cod like with sliding and shit, and I still find new bugs after 6 years of being out

[dense bone]

whats inaccurate?

like you want factions with locked weapons?

guaranteed you can find new bugs in any bf game...

[livid bay]

Debatable.

It has the best movement system but other aspects of it are better in other games

[hasty marsh]

Im not even sure the movement system is the best, just the most expansive

[dense bone]

id argue gunplay is the best as well, which when im playing an online fps game the movement and gun mechanics are most important

i wont say people who dont prioritize those aspects are wrong, but id say weird?

imo the only thing bfv lacks is atmosphere, and even then its not even bad, just not bf1 or bf4 levels of good

[livid bay]

Yeah, both bfV and 2042 lack atmosphere

[dense bone]

so other than movement options, there would be the movement itself, which what exactly would you say is bad about it considering your comment?

[dense bone]

which like.. playing a game about shooting people in the face for atmosphere is a weird choice imo

[hasty marsh]

Mostly how it effects the flow of the game. The ease of crouch running and vaulting, specifically, make map design matter much less. Theres many more safe and quick routes from A to B which rewards running around mindlessly and deincentivises holding certain positions. Part of this is also due to the games's poor launch maps, but the movement has a big effect.

Lying on your back also played hell with the games visibility due to poor character lighting

[livid bay]

Not really. It's like how people play ARMA for the realistic squad strategies. A lot of people play Battlefield because of how it feels running through the battlefield

[hasty marsh]

I prefer to look at the whole package of the game. Focusing solely on gun mechanics and movement is missing the forest for the trees, and prevents analysis of the effects of those systems and how they play into the player experience

[dense bone]

those are complaints about the options more than the movement (movement strictly being things like acceleration, top speed, directional change slowdown,etc)

[hasty marsh]

Fair, but when most people discuss "bfv's movement" they are talking about all those options.

[vale grail]

Thank you for your condolences

[dense bone]

well yea, ARMA is about realistic squad strategies...

[dense bone]

i mean, you brought up the difference between the movement and the movement options and i asked what exactly didnt you like about the movement since you brought it up

[livid bay]

And Battlefield is about being immersed in a battlefield. At least, traditionally it is

[dense bone]

ehh i wouldnt exactly say that, more of a player expectation just because the alternative is cod

[vale iris]

The fucking woman with prosthetics, the sliding, the movement, the customization.

[vale iris]

You’re welcome

[dense bone]

its similar to how people claim bf as realistic when its absolutely not, just compared to cod it is more realistic so now thats a random player expectation

[livid bay]

Are player expectations not based on the history of the series and what's been shown?

[dense bone]

shes not in game, sliding is not innaccurate, the movement isnt either, and the customization? thats a complaint? lol ok

[hasty marsh]

^ A big, fun, immersive sandbox is the main reason people play battlefield. Thats the value the franchise is meant to provide to its customers. If it has tight gunplay but fails in those aspects, then the game is not providing the value it is supposed to.

[dense bone]

no, just like how i showcased they can make random correlations based on being relative to something else

[livid bay]

I do agree with that. BF is not realistic. There's a reason we have "only in Battlefield"

[vale iris]

But the weapon balance is fucked too. I get shredded by smgs in a timeframe that feels illegal

Bf1 was much better in damage balance

[dense bone]

ehhh are you sure about that? i dint play bf1 long but i know there were some hardcore meta weapons, ironically one of them being an smg

[hasty marsh]

Bf1 is frankly better in most aspects but the circlejerk about its gunplay has gotten in the way

[dense bone]

what objective aspects are better?

[vale iris]

You are thinkingg of the annihilator. That’s the one dirtbag weapon in the game

[hasty marsh]

Nyphon im not going to roll in the mud over what you think is "objective"

[dense bone]

well you cant say "bf1 is frankly better" and talk about subjective aspects.. that just doesnt make sense

[hasty marsh]

Yes I can.
Do you have anything actually worth talking about?

[hasty marsh]

smg08 is poorly tuned

[dense bone]

just like im not gonna argue about you liking bf1 more even if i think objectively (and imo) bfv is better

[vale iris]

Well at least it’s more balanced than the annihilator, except for mag

[dense bone]

what is this lack of logic, you made a statement, and i asked you to elaborate on that statement, and suddenly i dont have anything worth talking about despite asking YOU to talk about what YOU brought up more?

[vale iris]

Multiplayer may be argued better, but campaign is clearly bf1 victory

[vale grail]

Ignore the cat pfp guy, he gets all ragey when someone doesn't like wokefield V

[hasty marsh]

nobody decides their favorite bf based on the campaign

[vale iris]

Yeah. I’ll bet he just hasn’t really played any other battlefield long enough to see each game’s beauty.

[dense bone]

its cute this guy "blocked" me but still responds all the time, and idc what randoms think about a product, i just like to point out most of their reasons for not liking the game are typically meme shit like "robot lady" or "its codified"

[vale iris]

Yeah but you gotta admit, the campaigns were top tier in that game

[hasty marsh]

Not really

[dense bone]

i have hundreds of hours in 3, 4 , v and 2042. i have like 30 hours in bf1

[hasty marsh]

It was a good change of pace I suppose but I wouldnt really say any are stand outs except the intro sequence

[vale iris]

Bro I cried at the end of 25 percent of the campaigns if you don’t think that is a sign of good campaign than idk what is

[vale grail]

Or he's just a rage baiter, I've him blocked because no matter what I say, it's somehow 'you're raging it's not that bad' whenever I or anyone else make legit complaints about BFV or 2042

[dense bone]

i can also pinpoint what i do and dont like about the bf games, including bf1

[hasty marsh]

eeeeehhh

[livid bay]

Even if it's being based relatively to something else, the observation that it's a certain way is not false.

People say "BF is realistic" but they also don't want them to include hardcore realistic stuff from games like ARMA. They just want the series to stay with what they considered "realistic". As you said, they are basically just saying "BF is more realistic feeling compared to other MP Fps games" poorly

[hasty marsh]

I mean some of the stories were good but none could really flesh out their stories enough for me to care.

[dense bone]

"legit complaints" thats classic

[vale iris]

I will admit, there is some cool Easter eggs and obscure historical shit that bfv does have that bf1 just doesn’t, but in the development of bf1 they put physical strain on the voice actors to bring the dialogue more to life. As you can see, they both have their flaws and moments. If I can’t make you see that each battlefield has greatness and flaws, then idk what to tell you other than the discussion is over

[vale grail]

Or at the very least bring back Bad Company 2's gameplay because it was the perfect blend of realistic and sandbox arcade style elements. Tehn BF3 and 4 came out with the C4 tanks that fly up in the air like an ACME cartoon and that was an annoying thing that stuck.

[dense bone]

absolutely nothing about our discussion has been about the pros and cons about each title, pizza randomly brought that up and you ran with it for almost no reason...

[vale grail]

Grounded and realistic being balanced with a more 'run and gun' system was and still is a difficult thing to blend, but Bad Company 2 and BF1 are great examples of the balance being made and mostly maintained.

[dense bone]

i even said "i can also pinpoint what i do and dont like about the bf games, including bf1" to negate this train of thought

[vale grail]

BFV is too polarizing in contrast with annoyingly cartoonish modern cod sprint sliding smg users, or it being too realistic needing to mount an mmg to aim it. The polarized contrasts ruin gameplay elements overall and no one talks about that fact.

[vale iris]

Well you just said “why you say sorry for playing bfv” and I gave its flaws, and I’ll admit, I did have a bit of a biased argument, but at this stage I will say that yes, bfv does have its moments, like every game, just, it wasn’t given the right amount of love and passion put into it like other battlefield games, and was left feeling, unfinished.

[livid bay]

The only thing I can say about them is that at least they're better than 4's campaign story-wise

[hasty marsh]

1 really excels in the pacing IMO. You can't bounce around like a crackhead and the removal of microbursting means you really have to pay attention to your range and the risk-reward of trying to take a fight at a certain range.

[hasty marsh]

low bar

How 2042 managed to hype people over Irish is beyond me

[vale grail]

Exactly, and in BC2 you had the snipers in ghillie suits that blended in perfectly to the shrubbery and bushes without sniper glint so you had to actually find them with your eyes instead of spam spotting

[dense bone]

idk, i feel like bfv focused on gameplay first and hit it out of the park, it was a sort of reset for the franchise to stop building on old mechanics

[livid bay]

Yeah, that's fair lol. 4's campaign had a decent idea but in practice it just sucked.

It kinda felt like you entered in the middle of a Cod campaign and then left before the final act

[vale iris]

The main reason I think is that the devs really just followed the Shepard of the millions of ww2 shooters and didn’t really add the true battlefield touch of uniqueness that bf1 or any other battlefield had. That stuff abou mounts and its polarized and repetitive style I’ve seen in numerous other ww2 shooter games

[vale grail]

Not to mention the Medic class in BC2 is great as well because each lmg had different fire patterns, they NEVER should've killed BC2's servers.

[dense bone]

if they wanted to make another ww2 game they would have gone with all the tropes like dday, pearl harbor, etc. bfv was specifically stated to shed light on the less known stuff

[vale iris]

Yes, but as you can see by pizza, many people don’t like the change, saying it makes the game feel more like a sweat fest of try hards and not a true battlefield shooter

[hasty marsh]

slower pacing like that also gives you more freedom with the sandbox. You can set up traps or try your hand at interacting with the map or taking emplacements without worrying that some guys gonna dolphin dive and take you out.
This is also why I think spawn beacons are not good for the game

[vale grail]

I've been playing them since 2006, CoD 2 and 3 being my introduction to them

[dense bone]

i tend to not care about what people who dont like change like.. those people just wanted remasters of what they played first and refuse to realize that what they grew up on might not be the best

[vale iris]

Yeah I’m just gonna end it here don’t expect any response and don’t make a counter argument cuz I have stated my side and I feel I have heard the other’s enough to know what they look for in a “good game”

[dense bone]

of course there are changes that are too drastic, but modernizing gunplay and movement is definitely not one of them

[hasty marsh]

disliking changes that have been made != disliking change.

[vale grail]

Well if there was a cooldown on the spawn beacon where one person would spawn and then have a 2 or 3 second delay, that'd counteract it quite nicely but given BF4's massive scale it's arguably worth it there.

[dense bone]

when the changes are just modernizations because the old systems were flawed then yea.. thats what that means..

[hasty marsh]

I think being able to hide a spawnpoint at a random spot in the map just hurts map flow in general. This is a big reason bf1 maps have such a close front line compared to other modern titles

[vale grail]

BC2 and BF1 was the 7th gen and 8th gen peak of Battlefield I'd argue.

[dense bone]

of course id argue they are objectively better, but we know how that goes

[hasty marsh]

just modernizations
You cant dismiss critique of a change by branding it as modern.
Modern != good.

[vale grail]

If beacons don't ruin the dynamic of the map design then I'm not one to complain, but if it's a close contact style and more 'intimite' then yeah, no beacons

[dense bone]

and modern doesnt equal bad either like pizza suggested..

again, you can not like it, thats fine, but its not bad

[hasty marsh]

I think fundamentally being able to conjure a spawn point does exactly that. Unless its limited to something specific like that elite kit in bf1

[vale grail]

Agreed

[livid bay]

Well yeah. Stuff like modern graphics is generally good. However, changing how the series itself feels isn't modernizing. It's just change for the reason of change

[dense bone]

theres a reason no games feel like bf1 gameplay wise, because they are old mechanics that were flawed

[hasty marsh]

🙄

[dense bone]

in terms of movement and gunplay, its a necessary change, show me a modern game that has movement and gunplay like bf1, you cant because the gaming community as a whole has moved on from them because they werent good mechanics

[livid bay]

Plenty of games feel like bf1. There's just no AAA games that feel like it anymore because all of the studios collectively decided that fast paced movement shooters should be the norm after Cod switched to it

[hasty marsh]

show me a modern game
this appeal means nothing when the majority of AAA fps game in the last 5 years have been trash

[vale grail]

My windows 7 Home Premium argument can finally be dusted off again! "Hey, we're going to outmode your OS system and update it to a new one for security purposes, and make it completely fucking horrible instead of copy/pasting the W7HP OS in the new engine for your continence because we're microsoft and we hate making functional products!"

[dense bone]

such a boomer comment

[hasty marsh]

and?

[livid bay]

You act like boomers can't play games

[vale grail]

I've a outlier or two with Iron Harvest, and Metro Exodus.

[dense bone]

i mean if you dont get why thats more of a comment about who you are as a person than the general gaming landscape then good luck in life

[hasty marsh]

Im real old liking a game from
*checks notes
2016

[vale grail]

They've been playing games long before us. He's as ignorant as he is tunnelvisioned, best to just ignore it.

[dense bone]

what? this isnt a comment about ACTUAL boomers, but the meme about boomers not liking change and how everything was better back then for no reason other than thats what they grew to like...

never thought i would have to describe that to anyone online that was younger than me...

[hasty marsh]

It is a comment on who I am. Its because I have standards and takes. Some of the best mp games Ive ever played are decades old and Im not so insecure to dismiss them on that basis. Nor do I feel a need to passively like what is releasing now just because its the trend.

[dense bone]

LOL coming out swinging with more boomer takes

tldr "im ignorant and im proud"

[hasty marsh]

Ignorant? I played the game and it bored me, Nyphon. There is nothing more too it than that.

[livid bay]

I still don't understand why that's bad. People grow to like things for a reason. How would you feel if the series you've been following for over 10 years decided to follow the rest of modern gaming by making it feel majorly different than you've come to expect?

[hasty marsh]

If you were to ask me to pick between counterstrike and call of duty, I will take the first every time, no matter how "modern" the latest activision slop is.

[dense bone]

its bad to just shit on modern stuf because you seemingly only like what you played first.. then getting mad at games evolving because "its not what i played".. thats the problem

other than 2042, bf has been moving in the right direction with modernizing, but some people just want exactly what they were playing before with upgraded graphics

and im calling that out

[hasty marsh]

youre hiding behind "modernity" because you want an excuse to dismiss why people dont like dices latest trainwreck

[dense bone]

thats ironic considering i literally just excluded 2042 from progressing the bf franchise..

in case you dont understand, that directly contradicts you last statement...

[hasty marsh]

come now, weve all seen you getting on the same high horse over that game too.

[dense bone]

movement and gunplay in 2042 is a sidestep to bfv, so anything i have to say good about 2042 is in large part to what bfv did..

[hasty marsh]

every iteration V made on the gunplay was removed in 2042

[dense bone]

other than those two aspects i think the only thing i have given 2042 credit for is for the scale of the game being impressive, because 124 players in a single area is technically impressive

[livid bay]

Games evolving should mean that games get more unique. Not becoming more generic

Plus, there's nothing wrong about not liking it when something you enjoy decides to evolve away from it's identity. It's like how a lot of Youtube channels die when they move away from what they did to grow their core audience

[dense bone]

ehhh, thats a HARD ask, especially when you are talking about casual boots to the ground shooters...

modernizing has almost nothing to do with moving away from a games identity..

we talked earlier about the "bf identity order of importance", nowhere in there does "old mechanics" have a place

[livid bay]

that's because that should just be implied. Having old mechanics that everybody loved is the normal thing to do

[hasty marsh]

fundamentally changes the pace of the game
"nah we're just m o d e r n i z i n g. If you dislike this youre a boomer lol"

[dense bone]

it should be implied that devs and franchises upgrade over time..

[livid bay]

Removing is not upgrading

[hasty marsh]

it can be

[livid bay]

Actually, let me reword this.

Removing loved features is not upgrading

[dense bone]

ironically 2042 tried to go back to a slower pace with larger maps and people shitted on it, oddly similar to those open maps of older bf titles

[hasty marsh]

Nah the class system is just soooooooooooo outdated. Give me one modern game that doesnt use heroes. Get with the times and play as Angel

[dense bone]

8 axis, slow accel movement with spread (rng) based gunplay isnt loved, and upgrading it isnt removing either

[livid bay]

That's mainly because a lot of the maps sucked on launch. 2042's reputation will never be good because of how poorly it's launch went

[hasty marsh]

(all bf games have spread based gunplay)

[dense bone]

correction, all bf games HAVE SPREAD, but not spread BASED gunplay

[livid bay]

Even I admit that I'm biased against 2042 because of it's launch

[dense bone]

pattern based games also have spread, that does not make them spread based..

today nutter learned

[hasty marsh]

V has "spread to recoil" which is spread

and heavy spread to recoil

a feature which 2042 removed, and judging by your reaction you dont even know that.

[dense bone]

you just learned theres a difference between spread based and spread and want to act like you know what spread to recoil is.. mmka

[dense bone]

didnt you literally just say ALL bf games have spread based gunplay?

[hasty marsh]

it removed spread to recoil, not spread

[dense bone]

you realize you just contradicted yourself...

[livid bay]

The slow movement of Battlefield is loved. One of the biggest complaints about both 2042 and BFV is that they're way too quick

[dense bone]

its times like this where i wish i had the foresight to ask you to explain spread based just to prove you didnt know what you were talking about

because its heavily implied that you thought spread in a game means its spread based...

[hasty marsh]

a game where spread, random deviations of the shot in a cone, plays a key part in the gunplay.
This is true in all BF games, including V and including 2042

[dense bone]

i wonder if you even know the difference between bloom and spread....

[hasty marsh]

bloom as a term has been misused to hell in various games. spread increase per shot (SIPS) is more precise

[dense bone]

none of that explained the difference..

[hasty marsh]

It is the spread increase per shot, that is a self explanatory term

[dense bone]

that doesnt explain the difference betwen bloom and spread...

[hasty marsh]

...

[dense bone]

"whats the difference between a dog and cat"
"a cat is a feline"

[hasty marsh]

are you stupid?

[dense bone]

i literally ask that with half of your comments...

i essentially asked you to compare the two, and you only talked about one..

[hasty marsh]

Bloom is how much your spread increased each time you shoot. I dont understand how that is incomplete or unclear.
Unless you think its something else? In which case Im curious.

[dense bone]

even after spelling it out he doesnt get it..

[hasty marsh]

😐

you cant keep acting like this and then get surprised when people don't want to have a "conversation" with ya.

[livid bay]

Bloom: Bullet spread % increases over time fired

Spread: Randomized variation of where the bullet goes when you shoot in regards to the reticle. Typically shown as X% in both directions

[dense bone]

^

though spread is used as a catch all term typically

[livid bay]

Spread typically encompasses Bloom and a few other mechanics because Bloom just edits the spread variables

[dense bone]

bloom is to spread what cheerios is to cereal

glad cpl knows how to read

[livid bay]

Eh, kinda. I'd say it's more like cereal and milk. For example:

You test the sogginess of cereal. Without any milk it stays within a certain % between all of the pieces. If you add milk it slowly starts getting more soggy over time no matter what cereal piece you choose.

[dense bone]

of course people get salty when you point out their lack logic/understanding/etc

[dense bone]

i was more saying that bloom is a specific kind of spread, like cheerios is a specific kind of cereal

[hasty marsh]

funny how only you seem to have that problem, nyphon

[dense bone]

damn we have entered the "no u" phase

[livid bay]

Oh, so you were referring to cereals as a group of things. Then yeah, that's a good analogy. Bloom's basically just a type of Spread

[hasty marsh]

Im just saying you seem to be the only guy people "struggle to read" with
Youd think that after 180,000 comments here youd have gotten better at that

[hasty marsh]

Nah its more of a modifier to spread than a type of spread.

[dense bone]

i mean, cpl did just answer my question for you, and you have on several occasion just recently directly contradicted yourself, then devolved to the "no u" phase while also suggesting popular opinion means anything, especially a sort of truth..

i imagine thats all over your head though

[hasty marsh]

😐

[dense bone]

"he used medium sized words, let me respond with an emoji in .25 seconds"

[hasty marsh]

😐

[dense bone]

thanks for the answer, even though i knew we would get here eventually, it did take a little longer than normal though

[upper berry]

bro so bored. he uses the same emoji over and over again like a broken record

[hasty marsh]

I thought Iron Harvest was strategy?

[hasty marsh]

theres nothing else to say really

[upper berry]

[hasty marsh]

[dense bone]

its concerning that he thinks that does anything to anyone, it just shows more about himself (and not in a good light)

[upper berry]

[dense bone]

i did like how you went into this analogy like this though, food metaphors are my thing

[livid bay]

metaphors and analogies are fun and useful in general

[dense bone]

my favorite atm is showing how people are mad at cosmetics in f2p games in terms of food

its like complaining about the free burger you got, but costs to change the color of it

like it sounds absolutely absurd to get mad at the cost of changing the color of a burger, especially when its free. but people literally do that for f2p videogames

[livid bay]

Eh, people being mad at cosmetics does have some good backing. I don't hate cosmetics but I think they should at least match the game's style. Like, modern shooters have plenty of cool-looking military stuff to use as a base for cosmetics instead of resorting to making random things like full-on santa outfits

[dense bone]

There are definitely complaints to be had, nothing is perfect, I just don’t get complaining about the cost of a trivial thing for something free

[upper berry]

aye, ill pay 100 usd for that Santa Boris outfit

[hasty marsh]

Id also argue that cosmetics create financial incentives that harm progression systems. The battlepass is designed so that you want to pay to skip it

[livid bay]

Yeah. If it's a f2p game there's no much of an argument since you literally paid nothing for the game. The argument is much better for Pay-to-Play games

[upper berry]

game free or not. still have its role

[dense bone]

You and I are rare in this thought.. which I think is really weird

[livid bay]

Yeah. Though, that's the fault of the battle-pass. Not the cosmetics. Battle-passes in general suck. Especially when they lock actual guns behind it and give you a time frame to get them

[dense bone]

Even for p2p games, prices are barely increasing despite inflation and dev costs obviously increasing, on top of dlc being a thing of the past

[hasty marsh]

Its all under the same "modern live service" umbrella to me. Fairly formulaic in approach, you have the same busted BP system, the same manipulative in game store, the same slow degrade of the art style and the wierd constant managing of a players time they tend to do.

A big part of why BP's often timegate progression is not just so that theyre slow to progress, but also to get people to see the rotating store every day. The in game shops encourage games to try to drag out "retention" as much as possible

[upper berry]

ngl if dice do the same alike cosmetics from 2042/bfv. idc at all not even one bit. if its alike cod. its a big problem. i agree BP ruins game due to the time gate for content

[dense bone]

Would you rather be “forced” to play a game to get stuff or pay for dlc?

[livid bay]

Honestly, Dev costs are absurd today. There should be no reason that a game like MW3 takes over 3,000 devs when the original game took less than 500. All of the systems that are used to make games have gotten much better and much simpler yet Dev teams require so many more people

And it's nothing about "New graphics and stuff like that requires more time". Helldivers 2 was made by 100 people and it's one of the best games of this year

[hasty marsh]

Yeah.

[dense bone]

I think that’s illogical

[hasty marsh]

How many was it to make the original MW2 though? Since MW3 borrowed a lot from that one iirc

[upper berry]

mmm HD2 did pop off at the start. yet it seriously lacks content. i dont call it game of the year one bit

[hasty marsh]

I also wonder just how much of that 3000 are new artists. Theres the increased standards in graphics, but also the sheer number of garish skins they have to make

[dense bone]

I won’t comment on the intricacies of running a dev studio that makes billions of dollars. I just know dev costs is up

[livid bay]

Eh, that's more because of the miss-management. The CEO even dropped down to the CCO position because things weren't being done on the creative side which led to the devs mainly doing balance patches

[upper berry]

still lacks content from the start.

[dense bone]

Hd 2 was also in dev for way longer than cod gets

And while a better game imo, I can’t imagine it has more content either

[hasty marsh]

Given the fact that Helldivers 2 became a sort of cultural event I dont think it can be dismissed due to content.
It was small but it was extremely effective at what it set out to do.

[dense bone]

Isn’t the topic 3k devs for cod and 100 for hd2?

[upper berry]

you do the same objs over and over again on different planets. how is that fun?

[slate epoch]

battlefield

[livid bay]

indeed

[upper berry]

yes^

[hasty marsh]

Perhaps

[dense bone]

It’s the in between. Bf could be boiled down to “shoot people” as well

[upper berry]

i have a strong feeling for this BF game. idk how it will perform

[dense bone]

2042 was the first and last bf game I pre order

[upper berry]

its more action and entertaining than HD2.

[dense bone]

Not even saying 2042 launch was bad, it was good on my system, just not worth a pre order

[livid bay]

Well yeah, nobody in this community with half a brain cell is gonna pre-order (Hopefully). They lost everybody's trust with 2042

[hasty marsh]

tbh it shouldnt have taken 2042 for people to realize that.
Theres just not much of a point in a preorder

Worst case scenario for not preordering: the game has a good launch and you pick it up a day later

[upper berry]

i always wished 2042 cut off last gen consoles. and had a better leadership. cant redo the past. but can always make a better future

[livid bay]

The only way I'm even buying it at launch is if they give us a big demo that has near no bugs. And isn't "a few months old"

[dense bone]

I’d argue 2042 beta was in a better state than the actual launch

[upper berry]

no game is perfect at launch or a demo/beta of it. why do people expect a perfect bug free fixed game. smh

[livid bay]

2042 was screwed from the start. The original plan was for the extraction mode to be the whole game. They also had a ton of devs who had never worked with frostbite before (A game engine known for being terrible to learn). And of course the wish to keep last-gen consoles supported

[hasty marsh]

some are much better than others. If a game releases broken, why should I spend my time on it before it is fixed?

Its not like dice have never released a game in a decently stable state

[upper berry]

not for the whole game. it was developed around the mode yes.

[hasty marsh]

Even without all of those many of the designs are a real headscratcher

[upper berry]

tbh every game is never bug free from the start. you will always encounter problems on every game release. but yes some games is more polished than others on release

polish dont mean its perfectly bug free

polish as i meant. more playbale

[hasty marsh]

I dont think anyone expects 0 bugs in a game at any point in its life. The issue is the quanity and graveness of the bugs

I would say BF1 is a good standard to put new BF games to in terms of stability

[livid bay]

Well yeah. Honestly, some of the best BF games came out it a terrible state. BF4 is the best example. They had to make a whole team that solely focused on fixing massive issues because even things like the Netcode were completely broken

[upper berry]

didnt they have more time working on BF1 tho

[hasty marsh]

I dont know and tbh it doesnt matter to me

Plus this next BF game has a ton of time in the oven

[upper berry]

and people that knew how to work with the game/engine

[hasty marsh]

If the game is broken, Im just not going to buy it. It having less dev time or having less experienced devs isnt going to make the game worth my time and money as a customer

[dense bone]

Idk about consoles, but 2042 definitely wasn’t broken at launch

[upper berry]

bf4 as a whole is still broken. but the launch was insane. only bf game that i know of. that a launch so bad it got sued

[dense bone]

I use broken as not functional, it definitely had cracks and bugs

[livid bay]

Bf3 to Bf4 took 2 years. Bf4 to Bf Hardline took 2. Bf Hardline to Bf1 took 1. Though, they were probably working on 1 while doing Hardline cause it's basically just a reskinned Bf4

So Bf1 probably had 3

2013-2016

[upper berry]

ye hardline is a reskinned for sure of bf4

[livid bay]

Hardline is honestly really underrated

[hasty marsh]

Im pretty sure DICE didnt make BFH, wasnt it a seperate studio?
Regardless, they had several projects at once back then usually

[upper berry]

great game and story that it had

[hasty marsh]

I found the pacing of BFH to be erratic for my taste

[upper berry]

dice makes all bf games. prob a different dev team was working on it

[hasty marsh]

It was developed by Visceral and published by EA

[livid bay]

Actually, you're right. DICE didn't make Hardline. Visceral Games did. DICE had no hand in it

[upper berry]

oof my bad. i looked it up

[hasty marsh]

But regardless I wouldnt measure it by the time between games, Id reckon there is a good amount of overlap.
Plus the battlefront games

[upper berry]

always thought dice touched hardline

for some reason

[livid bay]

Y'know, I have a feeling that if they would've released Hardline as just "Hardline" instead of "Battlefield Hardline" it would've done much better

Cause it's not a bad game. It was just poisoned by being a Cops vs. Crims game in a military franchise

[upper berry]

naw. i think they were working on something else and gave the game to them

[hasty marsh]

I mean, people would have still recognized it as a BF4 copy.
Its bf4 with a more niche genre released only a couple years later. Niche games with a high player requirement are already in a precarious position

[upper berry]

plus visceral is one of their teams i think

[livid bay]

For 2025, yeah

[hasty marsh]

No Visceral is independent from dice and had been shut down.

theyre the team behind Dead Space

[dense bone]

i think the whole cops vs robbers scenario is just a bit childish for most people

[livid bay]

Oh right. I mixed them up with Motive and Criterion

[hasty marsh]

the scale of BFH is just a weird fit for a cops and robbers game

[upper berry]

I wonder what they were doing in between Hardline till now. Unless they move to other dev teams for the time being

Idk 🤷‍♂️

[hasty marsh]

They were making a starwars game until

EA made the decision to close down Visceral on October 17, 2017

[upper berry]

That’s right. Prob most of the devs split up between other dev teams. Or left EA as a whole

[livid bay]

A lot of devs left EA as a whole during that time period so I wouldn't be surprised

[hasty marsh]

Also like, its not really proving a cops and robbers experience. Like, yeah on paper its cops vs crooks but in practice its an open insurrection where cities get leveled

[limber bough]

A crane falling down is very far from leveling a city

[hasty marsh]

and is still much higher than what the crips are doing

[junior torrent]

yeah..

[vale grail]

It's a fun game regardless.

[hasty marsh]

wasnt my taste but I see why people like it. I just think this was a big reason it wasnt successful.

[vale grail]

It's more to do with the horrible lack of advertisements and the constant crashes and bugs.

[hasty marsh]

I think even without that its a hard sell

[vale grail]

Not really, Halo Wars was pretty 'risqué' but it was successful enough to garner a remaster and sequel.

[hasty marsh]

not that its risky, but that the format of BF doesnt fit the fantasy the game is selling on

[wild jacinth]

I recommend bf1 in 2024 on PlayStation because so many players and unique game modes have players in it like shock ops

[vale grail]

2142 was a great concept and from what little I remember from doing a Blockbuster rental once or twice, it was pretty fun.

[wild jacinth]

Block buster? PC game rental?

[vale grail]

Xbox rental, Blockbuster.

[wild jacinth]

That game never came out in console?

[vale grail]

Blockbuster was a VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray rental chain rom the mid 80's to late 2010's that saw a myriad of storefronts that branched internationally and one of the games that was avalible for rent was Battlefield 2142 for the Xbox

[junior torrent]

unique modes..

that can work... IF THERE ARE PLAYERS

[wild jacinth]

Bro I'm playing right now 40 player lobby streaming it

[junior torrent]

war pigeon?

[wild jacinth]

Idk maybe. The modes people care about not war pigeon but who know

[hasty marsh]

Im an idiot I thought you were talking about BF hardline

[junior torrent]

yeah right

all peoeple care about is conquest and operation in 1 and V

[vale grail]

If you're on PSN you'd find Shock Ops and other game modes if you set your presets to them

[junior torrent]

that wont last long

[vale grail]

oh lighten up, if you want to do more about it, try getting some friends together to start a game mode you like.

[wild jacinth]

Yeah why s such a sour pus

[hasty marsh]

or almost any bf

[dense bone]

its like conquest is the main game mode for the franchise or something

[solid carbon]

no way

[silk thistle]

Any one trying to run bf2042

[solid carbon]

bruh

[solid carbon]

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-crossplay #lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[silk thistle]

My bad first time on discord

[lone vessel]

Does the server have a help channel?

I have all the battlefield but couldn't play bf 5 since it crashes on launch

Or not even crash it just closes itself

[hollow osprey]

Bf3 is the best bf game

[tropic vortex]

2042 is the best

[minor leaf]

XDDD?????????

Are you serious

BF3/4 are the best

[tropic vortex]

Nah man, there was no cross platform and 128p so they don't come near 2042

I bet the next bf will have 256p, you heard it here first

[kindred garden]

Yes bf3/bf4 most fun

I forgot to add hardline too, another great game

Every battlefield after Hardline lacked fun

[solid carbon]

skill issue

[midnight wave]

is there a system in place for what determines vehicle spawn points or is it just random?

[hasty marsh]

its locked by map

[midnight wave]

i mean how often the vehicle slots spawn

[hasty marsh]

Oh. I think its based on an internal timer after a vehicle dies but idk the details

Definitley not random

[midnight wave]

it feels like it spawns more often on other maps?

like in bfv on the pacific maps it feels like the planes spawn more often than in the european maps

[hasty marsh]

Im not sure how it works

[glossy fable]

Hellllooooo is anybody here?

[tight rain]

Nope

[glossy fable]

Hehehehehehe I'm blind

Hey can anybody suggest me which game should I download

Battlefield 4 or battlefield 5 I have 8gb ram mai 256 storage

[tight rain]

Try V

[glossy fable]

If my lap couldn't handle it🤡 my money will be wasted

[fiery cloak]

anybody trying to platinum battlefield v? msg

[midnight wave]

you will suffer if you only have that few ram

[vale grail]

Amtrak.OS ahhh game

[dense bone]

xD

you know you can return a game within 2 weeks of purchase and less than 2 hours played correct?

[tight rain]

Yeah but they want to use someone else’s steam account

[vale grail]

@pulsar valve

[unreal swift]

Yo

[charred obsidian]

What are the best skins for the m1928a1 in y’all’s opinion?

[hasty marsh]

default

[fiery cloak]

is anybody trying to platinum battlefield v? if so dm

[charred obsidian]

i wish there was a list for all the skins for a gun

[sullen swallow]

any1 can help me with the store in btlfld 2042 i cant buy ay skin ?

[toxic smelt]

With 8gb ram bf4 probably im not sure

Look at system specs

Btw u can just slide in a ram if u unscrew the cover of the laptop if u buy one

[tranquil heart]

Hallelujah

only in bf1

[severe trail]

anyone got server keep disconnect problem when play multi?

[junior axle]

whats the best way to grind class xp on bf5?

[shadow trout]

do people still play battlefield 5?

[tropic vortex]

Nah we play 2042

[dense bone]

yes, at least according to steam, it gets a huge boost for asia peak time

[junior axle]

whats the best zh-29 specializations

[dense bone]

depends what youre using it for, but it SHOULD be used for medium to long range 2 tapping, in which case LLLL

if you want to use it as a more close to medium range weapon then RRRL

[bronze hazel]

I am looking for a group for BT1 to obtain the “assured resources” achievement. You need to win 5 rounds in "Supplies" mode

[dense bone]

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

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[solid hinge]

Anyone know how to fix the something went wrong”to continue linking your ea account,head back and start over. I launched from steam

[junior axle]

ive been using RRRL because i like to play agressive

and be able to win duels close range

while still being able to get kills if I catch some lacking from long range

is there a better self loading for that?

[dense bone]

The reload helps a lot

[dense bone]

1906 and zh are roughly the same, just change slight pros and cons

[junior axle]

i like the 2x alot more :/

might just go back to the 1906

LLLR on the 1906 how does that sound?

or even LLLL

6 bullets vs 5 tho thats less space for multi kills or mistakes

[dense bone]

Yea one i like the sights for more and I want to say that’s the 1906

I have a higher kpm with it too

[junior axle]

I also cannot go back to any other weapon after useing self loadings they just seem amazing for everysingle thing

[junior axle]

how can i check that

[dense bone]

I do believe the zh and 1906 are some of the only busted weapons in bfv

Over 70m nothing will challenge you other than a bolt headshot and most people suck

[dense bone]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv

[junior axle]

ive alot more k/m with the ZH but smight be because I just started playing and used the 1906 while still getting used to the maps/game

1.28 vs 0.92

[junior axle]

ye and even close range

the ttk is pretty crazy

[dense bone]

Yea it’s ridiculous you can still use it up close, but miss a shot and you’re likely dead

[solid hinge]

Who wants to get on BF4

[daring turtle]

Does anyone know why I cant put Gold on my gun and I have done some of the master challenges For BATTLEFIELD V

[toxic smelt]

mb u need to level the gun

[dusk blade]

don't you need to do all the mastery for the gold

Idk haven't played bat 5 for so long

[dense bone]

!!lfg

[ruby trail]

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[dense bone]

as others have said, you have to earn gold for each part. i think there is 5 pieces in total

[solid hinge]

Xbox

[dense bone]

ok so go to #lfg-xbox

[true coyote]

how is bf1 servers in asia?

[solid hinge]

@hybrid hinge needs to be banned he is cheating

[limber bough]

bro is playing on xbox 💀

[pliant girder]

Alright, I might be dumb, but on BFV, Tirailleur, “Égalité”, one of the challenges is to collect 3 wine bottles, I’ve done that multiple times, yet the game fails to mark the challenge as complete.

Am I missing something?

All I see is a Reddit post from 6 years ago also claiming the same issue, but with no comments on actually working around it or fixing it.

[hybrid olive]

Hey can I get some help?

[forest siren]

Cheating isn't impossible on Console.

[hybrid olive]

Okay I desperately need help if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it !

[lucid basin]

With what

[hybrid olive]

For some reason it's saying that I'm not connected to EA and I'm not 100% sure what I've played on my PlayStation in the past and I have PS Plus but it still says that I cannot connect to EA online do you know how to fix this?

[charred obsidian]

I joined like 5 games in BfV all with a hacker

Same guy kept jumping games ruining it for everyone

Especially on infantry maps one hacker joins and ruins it for everyone

[teal fractal]

Yeah its pretty common

Play community servers

If you can

[blissful sedge]

Does anyone know if battlefield 1 has cross play? Can i play with friends on ps5 if i'm on pc?

[tropic vortex]

Nope

2042 only

[hybrid olive]

Does anyone know how to connect to EA online it's not working for me

[solid hinge]

Anyone on battlefield 4 I am in a seaver with my self in it

[civic stone]

so sad to see they brought back spotting

despite it being a complete awful addition in bf1

people just blindly fire at you because there is a marker above your head

[wispy ridge]

can someone help me ?

[toxic smelt]

guys are there just so many japanese servers on bfv?

i dont see many german servers like on other games

[toxic smelt]

spotting was always in battlefield tho no?

it was in bf1 bf4 bf2042

[uncut oriole]

hey

if i want to 100% on steam all 67 achivment on battlefield 4 how much time it will take ? average?

[toxic smelt]

google is the better option

[uncut oriole]

it say 17.5 hour☠️

[toxic smelt]

uhhhh

[hasty marsh]

bf1 didnt invent spotting tho

[calm parrot]

Question . If that is already possible in VU with BFBC2 and BF3, and will be soon in BF4 with
WR
In a scenario where someone makes a solo lobby against bots, are they able to choose which factions to play as and stuff?
Like is this already possible in VU? And if so, I'm guessing it will be possible in BF4 WR, right?

@junior torrent

[junior torrent]

Yes you can

[charred obsidian]

Yk what I wish dice added before they got rid of BfV support

All the firestorm vehicles into conquest maps

Idk why they couldn’t add that boat car into pacific maps or the Kolibri would’ve been awesome in conquest

[winged merlin]

Can someone help me find a server in battle field 1?

Its totally dead

[kindred garden]

Whatever battlefield they make next I just want c4 kamikaze jeep to be in it and as viable as it was in 3/4

[solid hinge]

You need to use server browser and not quick join, quick join will alway get you into empty servers

[winged merlin]

bet

Thx

[solid hinge]

Also it's 5 in the morning, if you are in Europe like me we are sleeping

[forest siren]

Oh god theres ximmers in BF1 too

Theres no fucking winning

[solid hinge]

What the fuck is a ximmer

[forest siren]

Someone who uses a device that allows MNK support in games that otherwise dont naturally support it.

In short; Its fucking cheating.

You basically get the benefits of a Controller (Aim assist, Recoil, Magnetism, whatever a game gives console players) and now you have it on a Mouse. Which is and will always be the best way to play shooters.

Like I said. Its fucking cheating.

[solid hinge]

I need that for Halo 😂

Jk, thats total dogshit though

If you need that kind of stuff to play the game then you shouldnt play it at all
Im almost certain a huge portion of players on MW3 use garbage like that

It sounds like something COD players would go crazy for

[forest siren]

Yeah they do. PC players have something similar. Rewasd or something. Tricks the game into thinking you're using a Controller when its a MNK.

So they get the aimbot aim assist lmao

[solid hinge]

I tried Rewasd when I played Halo Infinite thru the cloud gaming feature and its not very good, I'd rather buy a controller

[forest siren]

Yeah. There might be other systems out there but thats the one I know about for PC

Its just fun watching people move abnormally and aim abnormally or straight up better with a super high sensitivity.

I report them all. If theres no MNK then push for it. Otherwise dont play 😭

[solid hinge]

Yeah, or buy a damn controller instead of rigging some Frankenstein-ass setup

[cloud halo]

2042 anyone ? With a buddy of mine.

[calm parrot]

I think WR BF4 is dead

[fiery cloak]

anyone on bfV

[frigid veldt]

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[upper berry]

Not dead. Just in active development

Try talking to the devs of WR goofball

[calm parrot]

…

[quasi iron]

Battlefield V Anyone?

[dense bone]

!!lfg

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[forest siren]

There are AA vehicles in 4 right?

And are they good or is it a case of: Helis just kill them and farm infantry all game?

[hasty marsh]

theyre good

[livid bay]

Yeah. There are.

They’re good if you have a semi-decent person using it.

[forest siren]

So like, literally no average BF player got it.

Figured i'd try the game just incase I was wrong about it

I'd rather be playing CoD honestly. I feel like ive been gaslit into thinking the game was actually good or worth talking about when its genuinely the worst PVP experience ive had since MW3.

And somehow 2042 is worse than it?

[hasty marsh]

?

[forest siren]

The average BF Player cant hold their own against bots. You can have a team full of engineers and not a single tank will be destroyed.

[livid bay]

It’s good if you like BF games. If you don’t like how BF games themselves feel then you’re obviously not going to like it

[forest siren]

Heres the thing

I love BF3. I love 2142. I love BF1. I love 2042.

Ive been playing SINCE 3.

[livid bay]

If you love BF3 how do you not like 4? It’s basically the same game with some small changes.

You might’ve just found a bad server

[forest siren]

My original complaints with 4 was I didnt like the movement it felt different. And then some other minor changes.

And the difference is the maps and vehicle balance.

Ive tried like 4.

Its all Gourmand highway. There wasnt any Rush. There was one TDM. One locker server.

The Infantry fights I did good in. Until someone pulls out a DMR.

[livid bay]

Yeah, that’s one of the big issues with 4 nowadays. It’s always either Golmud or sometimes a collection of dlc maps

[hasty marsh]

There wasnt any Rush. There was one TDM. One locker server.
I think the people who like bf4 have very different tastes than you

[forest siren]

And the more I play this game the more I realize that yeah, its straight up just 3. But with shittier maps. Shittier balance. Tons of new and ultimately useless attachments.

I used to love the gunplay andworship 3 and then going back to even that I question what the fuck I was smoking.

How people think 2042's gunplay is bad when you cant even burst in 4. You gotta tap fire. And your gun blooms like fucking crazy.

Having different tastes is fine but gaslighting people into thinking the game is "The best in the franchise" when it released in a worst or similar state as 2042 and having worse gunplay?

[livid bay]

The tap shooting is one of the things I personally love about 4. If you’re close up then you do full auto or burst. If you’re a medium to far distance away you have to switch to single shots to properly hit your target

[livid bay]

Most people say 4 is the best because that’s when most of them started playing BF. Objectively, 3 is the best.

[forest siren]

Which it is. Albeit it played much better on PC than it does Xbox now a days (especially since people fucking XIM)

[hasty marsh]

you cant even burst in 4. You gotta tap fire. And your gun blooms like fucking crazy.

I love BF1.
Look im not trying to shill for 4 but I just cant understand how these two sentiments coexist

[livid bay]

Also, the main reason why people say 2042’s gunplay is bad is because they all feel like laser guns compared to the past games

Recoil feels non-existent

[hasty marsh]

smgs feel like better ARs than ARs

[livid bay]

Fr. Imo, it feels like the “default gun” has switched from assault rifles to smgs

[forest siren]

There we go. Guess context is irrelevant but timed out for the R-Word describing how it feels to talk in the reddit because hating on 4 or 5 has everyone just go "You're just a dummy"

But yeah I get that the recoil in 2042 feels like laser beams (still does tbh) but I actually like being able to use an Assault rifle with bursting and not needing single fire to essentially do anything past 50m

[hasty marsh]

lol

[forest siren]

Like i'd rather just be playing Planetside 2 since that games gunplay is actually perfect for me.

Mix of actual recoil and CoF bloom to force bursting at ranges if you want to accurately hit someone.

So long as its not hold M1 to win at 50+

[tight rain]

Temp muted? Happens to the best of us

[tidal arrow]

hello, 3 people to get the Death from the Sky achievement on PC (Battlefield v)

[charred obsidian]

Imma go on a limb and say AA in 4 is probably the best

Every spawn has a AA so there’s no spawn camping and the AA tanks are decently balanced

[junior torrent]

Maybe not the best against gunship

[weary shoal]

PS2 has some of the best gunplay ive ever had, and literally every fucking thing about it was so fucking good, and still beats many games today. sad that the game is literally going to die out in a few months because of the cheater problem

[forest siren]

Yeah its a shame really. The new company isnt the miracle we all hoped for. Theyre not looking to save the game. Merely put it to rest once its time to shut the servers down.

[scarlet summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dx8mRzEGjSI?feature=shared

[south radish]

Just started playing bf4 again and i am constantly finding myself saving clips

So many good moments

[south radish]

Pretty useless feature but i still find it funny, as they say it's the small things that matter

[tranquil heart]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MRjHMXgUBDM?si=6E185VJJI7dVabYF

[vocal falcon]

Bf4 anyone?

[grim reef]

does anyone still play Battlefield 3 Looking for someone for the Coop Miossions

[solid hinge]

Hey, anyone record clips for BF1? something related with a plane

[glossy remnant]

here

[upper berry]

The best thing about BF4

My Xbox days

[solid hinge]

Because most of btf players are casual players that play after work and 4 beers, this is why we love battlefield and want an experience like btf 3 or btf 1, you can play the game how you want and see cool stuff without having to care about kd or all other bullsh**

[tame tundra]

Battlefield 5 - Anyone know how to Misaki's signature melee weapon? (It's like some machete in the trailer) Or is it the Hachiwari?

[south radish]

Don't remember if crouch input is enabled as well for end screen 🤔

[south radish]

There usually is samurai swords spawning on the map if you mean that? 🤔

[proud relic]

The Pultilov Garford in BF1 having a proxy fused smart air burst shell is the most hilariously anachronistic feature of the entire game.

[uneven hollow]

That’s truly a meme-able momento

Just a yippe sound to the lad jumping

[south radish]

[split bison]

They need to put more NA based operations servers for bf1

Conquest gets boring

[forest siren]

You can still be a casual player and actually be decent at the game though.

Like people always harp on wanting to win but no one actually pushes to win. No one tries.

Like alot of the times Bots are preferable over players. That's an issue. I shouldnt WANT bots.

I'm not asking for people to have a 2+ KPM (which is 3% of players) but I am asking for the bare minimum. And thats Attempting to learn and play.

[frigid veldt]

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𝕏 | 📷1 · Aug 13, 2024, 7:30 PM

[solid hinge]

Yeah I get want you mean

[gritty crown]

Anyone else unable to play Bf4 on PS4/PS5 rn?

[dusty prairie]

can we update the dlss version in the game files or can i get banned for this?

[forest siren]

I wonder how fast these ximmers would get banned if I actually contacted Microsoft because I literally just saw 4 of them in one server

[bitter pike]

Man why is every conquest game so one sided lately

[mellow verge]

they're not. its just you.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

lol jk hf

l8r

[viral dawn]

wondering if its worth getting the legacy games on discount?

[forest siren]

I mean you might as well. BF4 has a sizeable community and so does BF1.

2142 and BC2 might have revival projects (as in you can get them for free)

[viral dawn]

Is BF5 worth getting too or nah

[forest siren]

Well, as much as I hate the game: Yeah, get it. Never hurts to try out a game.

Alot of people love the game.

[viral dawn]

Bet

[junior torrent]

PC?

[forest siren]

Lowkey I wish DICE would do things with Battlelog again (like make it run better) and give it better integration.

Because god I miss that era of gaming when you can make clans and customize emblems and shit.

[upper berry]

I miss battlelog in general

[junior torrent]

BL messed up a lot of people's browser ability to launvh game

if it is forced, bad shit

[upper berry]

My uncle and I never had issues with Battlelog

[livid bay]

Battle log was a neat concept but in every game they either heavily underused it or heavily overused it

I do miss it tho

[forest siren]

It should be in the new ones as an addition. Tie it to the social aspect (Squadding up and servers maybe)

But the game shouldnt need Log to launch.

[livid bay]

They should def re-add some form of the commander app if they add something like the commander role

[forest siren]

I forgot that people actively choose to play like the most miserable cunts they can in older games.

Fucking constant spawners on the back end on Metro. Some support sitting at the stairs with C4 instantly killing anyone who comes up the stairs.

And then shotguns. Fucking miserable.

God I hope they remove squad spawning or make it so any enemy within 25m prevents spawns.

[livid bay]

That’s just how Metro-type maps play. They’re made for campers and spamming everything you have down the big hallways.

[livid bay]

Imo, squad spawning isn’t that bad. Though, it depends on how the game does it. I think a good compromise could be returning back to when you could only spawn on the squad leader

[forest siren]

I remember it from 3 but with the Battlefield 4 additions and just how generally cunty people are?

[livid bay]

Eh, I’ve never really seen a difference in how people act between the different BF games (except for 2042). From what I’ve seen, bf casuals in general just like to take it slower and use more sure-fire ways to kill like c4 spamming or camping rather than trying to run and gun

[viral dawn]

Yea

[junior torrent]

wanna consider BF3?

[junior torrent]

give me back my commander

[viral dawn]

Maybe

[livid bay]

Fr. It’s not too important of a feature but it’d be amazing if they added it back. Though, they need to make it either feel more in-depth or make it feel more impactful. The bf4 style of commander is way too much of a waiting game

[junior torrent]

what would you replace flag post ability with?

V squad point system?

[livid bay]

Eh, the flag post ability is fine. I just wish you could communicate with squads better. For a role called “commander”, you don’t really do much commanding

[junior torrent]

aside from directing a squad on where to go

probably

[livid bay]

I forgot you could do that lol.

Most of what I said is wrong then. Though, maybe adding a mic version to tell the squad leader why you want them to go somewhere could be cool. But I can see that backfiring.

Besides for that though, I feel like it could use a theming redo. I don’t know how exactly they could fix it but just staring at the map and clicking on squares is a bit boring

[junior torrent]

I dont mind

as someone that doesnt like pvp, this is fine for me

[livid bay]

That’s fair. It could just be me not being used to that style of play

[junior torrent]

just add AI bots to BF

and im good to go

...

[livid bay]

As long as they’re not in well populated servers, yeah

[junior torrent]

sure

add them in solo mode

make all content from multiplayer be available in solo

ranking, progress

ribbons

everything

[livid bay]

Solo mode + critically underpopulated servers

[junior torrent]

and you wonder why Im excited for WR

[livid bay]

Eh, that depends on the skill level of the bots. Like, if they’re too easy it’d be a very easy way to grind exp for guns.

If the bots are roughly equal in skill to normal players then it’d be a good addition.

[junior torrent]

as long they are not piss unoptimize as BF3 bot

and slightly better than 2042 bots

I am sure the bot has extensive configuration

including their ability to become a commander

and man gunship

[livid bay]

A bot commander would be cool but that’d have to be a very specially made bot.

[junior torrent]

Of course

I'm confident that can be made possible

Like add a new GUI to request AI commander to scan here

Send missiles here

Objective or current location

[livid bay]

Considering the advances in ai nowadays, you can make bots for pretty much any role

[junior torrent]

As long they're coded in the most caring way

Not lazy

[livid bay]

Could be cool if the squad leader had a special pair of binoculars or something to mark where you want each thing

I’d also say lock it to squad leaders to somewhat mimic how it’d feel when you have an actual player as the commander

[junior torrent]

But anyways

Excited to see bots play all modes

A huge saving grace

[misty pelican]

hi guys i have problem with BFH when i start first mission i can´t hear a dialogue and when i cuff someone my game freeze

[forest siren]

Useless teammates and ximmers seem to be a universal issue with BF

[civic stone]

Now i know why i left bf1

The fucking recoil

[wild jacinth]

How do I get all the maps on ps4 using ea play?

[dense bone]

still blows my mind people are angry at moving away from spread based recoil in games

[forest siren]

BF1 did recoil interestingly but some guns do feel a bit weird

[dense bone]

its just soft caps range with bloom

just means you have to strictly stick to its effective range, or tap fire, which ehhh

[forest siren]

Yeah. Bloom effecting guns at or after 5 shots would be ideal.

Makes it so fully auto only really works in CQC.

[hasty marsh]

5 is quite a lot. Thats more than enough for most guns to kill

I do wonder if it would feel wierd if spread only kicked in after the 2nd shot

[forest siren]

Should depend on the gun and what you're doing. LMGs shouldnt be able to do run n gun shit very well

Also the not being able to shoot and jump is genuinely a nice surprise in 4.

[civic stone]

Lmgs have this bs CSGO aaah spread at the start and shots sometimes dont follow your iron sights at all. Ig its the bs bf1 "type" mechanic instead of just making 1 gun with modifications (although its fucking ww1 do there was no attachments whatsoever)

"Trench" variant
"Long range" variant

Bruh

Bar in bf v feels waaaaaay better

In bf1 its a hit or miss

No matter the variant

And sweet spots? Yea horrible idea

[forest siren]

People who use hard meta in a 10 year old game are genuinely the saddest losers ive seen

Like honestly nothing screams "I'm bad at game" like crutching shit like that 10 years later

[tight rain]

Are you talking bout people with one hundred stars with the aek and g18?

[forest siren]

Yeah.

[junior torrent]

And that

[forest siren]

Literally used the AEK once and killed two AEK sweats with a shit ton of stars on them

[junior torrent]

Is exactly why I don't like pvp

Some people are pussy with meta loadout

[tight rain]

I’m a firm believer in what looks cool so long as it isn’t dog shit

[forest siren]

Yeah and then you call them out and its either met with "But i killed you 🥴" or they switch to another meta lmao

I use what feels nice or as you said, what looks cool.

[junior torrent]

Might as well have a server that force random guns and gadgets

Putting gun master to use

[tight rain]

Guns that feel bad suck

Especially if they look cool

Hurts the soul when they look cool

[junior torrent]

Doesn't matter a single thing

[south radish]

This server has some out of this world ping

[forest siren]

Like i'm not asking to use the worst guns. Its just we have how many per category and only like.. 3 are ever used per? Lmao

[forest siren]

People spam firing the SKS and teabagging

DMR users have not changed.

[south radish]

Guys had no chance

[reef compass]

Battlefield V slaps

Mad fun game

[dense bone]

my man, same feelings through and through

[dense bone]

i wish people got over a shitty trailer, "robot lady" that isnt even in game, what a ceo and a dev said and just played the game. other than atmosphere (which i say isnt even bad, just ok), i think bfv is the best bf.

[reef compass]

I dont care about that stuff, I care if the game is fun

[dense bone]

youre reasonable, a lot of people arent

[reef compass]

Battlefield isn't about historical accuracy and I don't expect it

Is it weird, sure. But the game is so fun I couldn't care less

[dense bone]

again, youre reasonable, others arent

so many people think bf is realistic and historically accurate and authentic..

idk how being 10% more of those things than cod makes it those things is beyond me, some people are too simple

[tropic vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[reef compass]

[old violet]

which bf has the largest playercount atm?

[tropic vortex]

2042

Futuristic accuracy

[dense bone]

we have no clue, steam is our only indicator and games like bf4, 1, and v were on origin for YEARS before going onto there. 2042 has similar numbers on steam, and crossplay so youd assume you have a better chance at getting more players in that game but its a guess at best

[vale grail]

Agreed, alternate history itself isn't an issue if it's stated as such. But the absurd levels of censorship and revisionism is downright sickening in BFV. Hell, Wolfenstein, an alt history WWII game where the N@zis won has more respect for the holo caust than BFV does.

[dense bone]

doesnt plaster bad flag everywhere "absurd levels of censorship"

lets you play as a woman and pick whatever weapons you want in a videogame "revisionism is downright sickening"...

[frigid veldt]

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𝕏 | 🎬1 · Aug 15, 2024, 3:01 PM

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[wide geode]

hi, whats ext in battlefield 4 ? people ask me to pick it but don't tell me what is it

[vale grail]

Do you know the context? Also what platform are you on?

[wide geode]

pc

[wide geode]

they say it when im gunner in attack helicopter

[vale grail]

Well, maybe it's a gunner secondary?

Sorry to say it's been a hot minute since I played BF4, and quite frankly I'm not exactly up to date.

[fallow ruin]

i believe it is disrespectful to the people who lived under the n@zis regime to pretend it didn't happen when depicting the era. considering i just got a 10 minute timeout for the first time i said n@zi in the context of a world war 2 game, i agree with the absurd levels of censorship comment. women were not allowed to serve in world war 2 and were discriminated against heavily for being women, to pretend they werent is revisionism even though i dont really care if you can be a woman in a video game. the no n@zi flag in ww2 is disrespectful to history, its pandering.

[dense bone]

cringe.. also you and pizza know you cant say a word and bypass it..

[wide geode]

no

[fallow ruin]

whats cringe is that we are talking about world war 2 and not even saying the word n@zi for absolutely no reason, nauseating levels of ignorance

[wide geode]

thx anyway

[fallow ruin]

it is important to learn from history so we dont repeat it

[dense bone]

talk about nauseating, these are non issues yet you talk like someone is kicking your dog in front of you

[fallow ruin]

I play games and paintball. I’m probably cooler than you which is sad.

nevermind

[dense bone]

(this commnuity server is outside the realm of the game, despite being a server FOR the game, blocking a certain word that is commonly used as a baseless insult isnt the same correlation you are trying to make.. didnt think this would have to be explained)

[fallow ruin]

battlefield is a world war 2 game. it is very important for the new generation to be educated about n@zis, and due to the poor education system in the US a lot of kids mostly learn about history from video games. i think it is extremely reckless to pretend one of the worst regimes of all time simply did not happen because it is more pleasant to depict that way

[dense bone]

seems my statements are true in regards to you.. sad

[dense bone]

... its like you literally didnt read what i just said.. idk if i should chalk this up to intentional igorance or just a lack of reading comprehension...

[fallow ruin]

yeah i completley disagree with this

the condescending librarian attitude doesn't make you right lol

[dense bone]

and youre reddit levels of incel responses dont make you right either..

[fallow ruin]

i dont even care about the fact that you can play as women but it is certainly revisionism

[dense bone]

its a videogame, its not that serious

[fallow ruin]

i hope you realize that rewriting history to be less offensive is projecting what you describe

[dense bone]

its not rewriting history, its a video game, its not that serious

[fallow ruin]

how is it not rewriting history because its a video game

nobody said it was that serious either

[dense bone]

you sure are acting like its that serious

[fallow ruin]

more projecting

is this how you normally talk to people who disagree with you lmao

[dense bone]

its a casual game a step above cod that says its "inspired by events" at best and youre talking about "rewriting history"

[fallow ruin]

yeah omitting the n@zi flag completley is ridiculous considering the regime is the only reason the war happened at all and there is no good reason not to have it except pandering to... people like you

[dense bone]

theres disagreeing and then theres exaggerated responses to non issues

[fallow ruin]

we appear to disagree on what the issues are but it doesn't change your needless standoffishness

[dense bone]

lol you assume i care about bad flags when i buy bf to shoot people in the face in big battles..

the setting or atmosphere has almost 0 priority to me

plaster it everywhere, i dont care

[fallow ruin]

i dont have to assume that, its clear. we are disagreeing on what the issue is and you are arguing like a middle schooler lol

[dense bone]

youre assuming, because i outright told you dont care

[fallow ruin]

doesnt plaster bad flag everywhere "absurd levels of censorship"

bad flag or historical flag?

bad in a modern context right? thats why we were killing them then

[dense bone]

i only use bad flag to avoid bypassing filter so i dont get muted

[fallow ruin]

so couldn't you see how id reach my conclusion that you do think its bad?

[dense bone]

again, youre taking this too serious

[fallow ruin]

thats projecting though

i don't really care i just enjoy yapping

[dense bone]

says the dude that claims i care about said flag even after i directly say i dont..

[fallow ruin]

if you didn't you wouldnt have written that

talk about a redditor god damn

[dense bone]

lol youve already devolved to "no u"

[fallow ruin]

the only thing i was wrong for assuming is that we could have an actual discourse about why it is revisionism or should be in the game

[dense bone]

never had an account, which i doubt youll believe again for some reason

[fallow ruin]

it truly is you with the insult cop outs lol

[fallow ruin]

i only think you do because you said that when i never personally attacked you like the stereotype would

again the only thing i was wrong for assuming is we could disagree civilly and talk about it but enjoy whatever it is that you do

[dense bone]

never said you attacked me, just been hypocritical about your statements

pointing out that youve devolved first has nothing to do with anything

[fallow ruin]

i didn't say that either, i said you copped out by calling names

[fallow ruin]

if anything you saying it was ME is exactly what i describe too lmao

you need some arguing practice

[dense bone]

itd be interested to see what you think i said that was an attack to you...

[fallow ruin]

this is a cop out and not a real argument

[fallow ruin]

this is close to it as well

[fallow ruin]

this also isn't really great conversational ability

so yes i maintain that you project insecurities instantly instead of being able to disagree

[dense bone]

even though i just responded to you in the same way?

order of events matters

[fallow ruin]

the first word you said was cringe after i tried to write a civil disagreement paragraph

[fallow ruin]

so i agree

[dense bone]

do you just randomly think what you said isnt "a cop out and not a real argument" as well?

[fallow ruin]

when the first word is cringe i absolutely do, yes

the only other thing you said was that we are bypassing filters which... is obvious right

[dense bone]

talk about being sensitive lol

[fallow ruin]

elaborate

[dense bone]

saying a videogame isnt that serious is "close to attacking you" is mental gymnastics i have rarely seen

[fallow ruin]

show me exactly when this happened :)

i havent deleted anything

ur a light pack

[fallow ruin]

i said "its not that serious" is "close to" a "cop out"

[dense bone]

literally word for word...

[fallow ruin]

try again

[fallow ruin]

made up quote not even in your picture

light work

[dense bone]

could be misinterpretted considering i did ask for you to show where i attacked you and then you quoted 3 lines

im gonna guess being coherent doesnt fall on your responsibility though

[fallow ruin]

which was my first reply, that you disregarded completley

[dense bone]

...

[fallow ruin]

projecting the redditor incel thing with absolutely no argument is exactly that

[dense bone]

i literally responded to that with a screenshot xD

[fallow ruin]

light work :D

[dense bone]

here it is again..

how is that disregarding it completely?

do you just say random lines you hear others say in arguments and think that just works?

[fallow ruin]

nope, out of context. the librarian comment replies to this

[dense bone]

librarians say cringe?

[fallow ruin]

"and youre reddit levels of incel responses dont make you right either.." so more projection

[dense bone]

(not even sure you actually mean librarians..)

[fallow ruin]

i meant you have a weirdo librarian personality for saying cringe to that.

you are light work

[dense bone]

if you do im confused at the correlation

what does working at a library have to do with calling someone cringe?

[fallow ruin]

antisocial and standoffish personality

[dense bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[fallow ruin]

one of the worst arguers i have ever seen

[dense bone]

tell me about it

[fallow ruin]

this is amazing

[dense bone]

"youre a librarian because you called me cringe"

[fallow ruin]

never seen such egregious levels of projection

"show me where i attacked you" does their own described gymastics to avoid their first response being cringe

order of events argument omitting their first reply

light light work

[dense bone]

If you think saying cringe is an attack that just backs up my sensitive claim again

[fallow ruin]

not that it bothers me, but by the definition it is, especially when you have no other actual counterpoint whatsoever

[dense bone]

Normally people don’t have to say anything is easy unless it really is. You’re just trying to convince yourself

[fallow ruin]

that is not a coherent sentence

[dense bone]

Maybe for you which isn’t surprising

[fallow ruin]

🤓

[dense bone]

We have devolved further to the emoji stage, you lasted a bit longer than most but not by much

[fallow ruin]

as if you had anything genuine to contribute at any point

[dense bone]

Oh yea we have only made it this far on nothing. If there was nothing of substance said here and you just participated for no reason what does that say about you?

[fallow ruin]

i enjoy packing people up on the internet

[dense bone]

How you think you’ve done that here is concerning

[fallow ruin]

you aren't expected to agree

[dense bone]

No one would

[fallow ruin]

projection masterclass

[dense bone]

Saying “no u” in a cringe way doesn’t change the meaning or make it any less cringe

You keep having your feelings hurt by a casual video game and I’ll keep calling it cringe

[fallow ruin]

projection masterclass continued

[dense bone]

Imagine having over 10% of your comments based around projection while trying to say the other person hasn’t had anything to contribute…

[fallow ruin]

In psychology, projection is a defense mechanism that involves unconsciously or consciously attributing one's own thoughts, feelings, or traits to another person, animal, or object

[dense bone]

Did you Google that or waste a degree on psychology?

[fallow ruin]

^

[forest siren]

Was this over the Regimes symbol or because wamen in WW2 video game?

[dense bone]

#battlefield-legacy-titles message

both

[forest siren]

Ah.

So no Reich flag bad and wamen werent on the frontlines (mostly true but also false) and also bad it looks like.

Strange thing to get into an insult session about lmao

[dense bone]

eh its more than that, considering i dont care if women were in the game or not, or if the bad flag was shown or not, so its absolutely not something i insulted anyone for, i called someone cringe for writing a paragraph caring too much about a videogame

[forest siren]

Oh i'm not saying you did or started it. I woulda just said go read up on history or call em dumb 🤭

[dense bone]

(idk if being called a librarian (still dont get this one) is an insult either)

[forest siren]

Its a weird.. "Insult" if anything. Like how dare someone be smart? I guess? Lmao

[dense bone]

he was trying to correlate it to me calling him cringe? like.. are librarians known for that?

[forest siren]

I havent been to a library in a long time to know if they call you cringe

[dense bone]

lol true, but i doubt it

[forest siren]

But I know a few librarians would because they are younger but thats a universal thing honestly

[dense bone]

its weird to think of a young librarian

[forest siren]

Well I say young and I mean people my age. Mid to late twenties 😛

[glad dirge]

Just remembered how unbearable the trench carbine was in bfv

[dense bone]

how is it unbearable? its a rather niche cqc weapon for recon

the greatest strength is that its attached to recon so you can use beacons to get into obj fights

the stg and even the ribeye match it in ttk at all ranges, and those could be considered medium range ARs

[glad dirge]

Just little cretins thinking they’re in some faze clip video while using it, some level 500 dude absoluting bombing the shit out of it just using it and nothing else

[dense bone]

huh, i hardly ever seen anyone use it since recon with a cqc weapon thats mid is a weird loadout

well i cant say that, ive not played bfv since 2042

[forest siren]

Why is it a high damage fast rof low recoil DMR type weapon? Because it seems to be a common requirement for Battlefield 🤭

[merry walrus]

As a mondragon and jungle carbine enjoyer I felt it

[forest siren]

Literally used the mondragon in BF1 and it was just fun. I forgot what else I used.

For recon it was either Prince's gun because for some reason out sniping snipers with ironsights is feasible and also the biggest dopamine hit known to man

[burnt vine]

what's the best way to learn to pilot jets/helis in bf4 excluding practice range? i cant fly for too long since im getting locked on and shot at and i can't really do anything since im a noob

either that or lvl140 players disintegrate me

though im gonna be also practicing and flying around the practice range too

[junior torrent]

It's that

No other way to work around

[forest night]

You can fight against npcs to get a feel for the weight/mechanics of the vehicles you're trying to fly. It helped me a lot but I'm a better gunner than pilot tbh

[junior torrent]

What NPC lol

It's only a drone flying the plane

[dense bone]

dmg fall off is crazy, its low ROF for anything you are expected to click to shoot, hell the m4a1 is faster iirc.

same ROF turner destroys it in dmg at all ranges

[forest siren]

Oh

[dense bone]

its a decent option for close range recon, but so many other weapons shit on it, which they should

i mained it purely to use beacons to back cap and fuck with people

[forest night]

Go to conquest, Conquest Solo/Coop

[junior torrent]

What?

[merry walrus]

Guys what planes in bf5 are best for 2 players in squad? Something like ju88?

I mean where the gunner can do something and also have fun

[vale grail]

Agreed, this isn't even fictitious alternate history, it's deliberate revisionism and censorship of the events that happened in the Heavy Water facility and so on.

[vale grail]

Stuka for 'Germans', Mosqito for Bri'ish, don't know if US faction has two seater, no plane avalible for Imperial Japanese.

[burnt vine]

im talking bf4

not 2042

[merry walrus]

Can a stuka gunner shoot infantry on the ground? I thought ju88 can do more

[vale grail]

Honestly you're better off focusing on planes. Especially given there's not rally aonyone left bot 500 levelcaps

[merry walrus]

Oh thanks for advice. I’ve never played on planes in any bf and thought skies are not contested that much. I’ll give stuka a try

[burnt vine]

i really liked the idea of being able to shoot a minigun from a heli, and that was basically the thing that got me into bf4, but then i quickly realized that helicopters are quickly dealt with most of the time

[vale grail]

You must be new here, THEY. ARE.

[burnt vine]

in any bf game skies are constantly contested, even if you play operation metro

(lol)

[slow mural]

i spawned in a fighter jet for the 1st time ever bc i just got 2042 today and immediatley got dumpstered

like gimme a chance lmao

[vale grail]

Nope, die by no life sweats, it's the law of the air

[forest siren]

I never liked how jets felt in any battlefield so I dont really blame anyone for giving up on them considering how some pilots are

[tight rain]

Never been much of a jet pilot but with the exception of 2042 i don’t mind how they feel

2042 does not feel nice to fly in for me

[dense bone]

i dont use vehicles, but was always bothered by the speed of jets compared to helis

i get it, but its just jarring

[burnt vine]

that is a classic tbh

either that, or you get 30 missiles locked on to you as soon as you fly near enemy territory

i like it more when there's a good pilot and i just ride along helping them

way more kills and no vehicle wasted

at least not instantly

[vale grail]

Imagine playing 'takin' a ride' by Don Felder while flying a B17

[forest siren]

I'm more used to VTOLs anyways. Helis kinda feel similar to Planetside 2's ESFs but id rather ESFs.

[fallow ruin]

what would you like me to read about💀

the unspeakable faction used the iron cross exclusively and womens rights has always been in the state it is now😀

sure isnt crazy censorship that you cant use the name of a major belligerent in a ww2 game discussion area either its all good and not revisionist

i love arguments

[dense bone]

idk why, youre bad at them

[forest siren]

What do you mean by "Womens rights were the same"

They used to treat women as, you guessed it. Breeding stock more or less. Women got beaten for speaking up or not making their husband dinner. You were expected to marry and have children.

The ONLY fucking reason women have rights now is because majority of the men went off over seas to fight in the war.

Women however did go over seas too. Mainly as Nurses for the wounded soldiers. The ONLY time I have heard of women being in combat were the Night Sisters (Bombers) and the Russian Snipers, who consisted of women alongside men.

[fallow ruin]

its sarcasm. womens rights were obviously atrocious in the 40s but you wouldnt know that playing this depiction of the war.

i believe it is very important to acknowledge the glaring errors of our ways in the not so distant past when we tell stories from those times in media, rather than portray these issues as something positive to please people

i believe it is disrespectful to all of the women who experienced prejudice and discrimination in the 40s to pretend it didnt happen. but really i hardly noticed the women because i dont care, even though its revisionism and i disagree with it fully. the no sw@stikas i think is ridiculous

[fallow ruin]

you were definitely the kid in school that killed hamsters by holding them too tight im gonna give you space💀

[dense bone]

100% surprised you didnt say something about projection or light work, i guess youre not as low tier as i thought

[fallow ruin]

i got plenty in the chamber sit tight

[dense bone]

... so youre suggesting you are low tier?

[fallow ruin]

to you, almost certainly yeah

thats a good thing though

[dense bone]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[forest siren]

As a woman myself, I feel its the opposite. Being shown that we too were just as capable as the men are is alot better than simply not having a single woman on the field because "Its historically accurate"

Its a video game at the end of the day and Developers are allowed to take creative liberties to make a better game. Because otherwise Battlefield 1 woulda been proper trench warfare and you'd die simply because your character had trench foot.

Theres a time and place for Historical Accuracy. Battlefield is NOT it and hasnt been it for quite some time (BF4 set in 2020 had railguns and combat bows)

Actual history is super important and thats why I cherish BF1 so much. It tells stories not normally told. While also being super accurate. But its still a game.

[fallow ruin]

so as a woman youd rather depictions of history were revised to portray conventions as we think they should have been instead of what they were?

i think it is known that women are just as capable and trying to "prove it" takes away from the intrinsic truth of that, and it is much more important to hold ourselves accountable. everyone knows they could have done it, why pretend that we let them? what does it accomplish?

[forest siren]

As a woman, I just want to be a woman in a battlefield.

I dont like playing as a dude. Lmao

[fallow ruin]

also historically accurate is not ultra realism, the trench foot thing isnt necessarily historically accurate youd get that in every war. no penicillin in bfv i dont care

[fallow ruin]

well thats what i thought

[forest siren]

Like obviously i'll play as man if I need to but like I said: Its a video game.

[fallow ruin]

my position is that revisionist history, not creative liberties, are harmful

[upper berry]

I’m a man and I play as a female in every game

[forest siren]

If I want a historically accurate game i'll go play Verdun or something.

I'm in Battlefield and I just wanna shoot shit lmao

[fallow ruin]

historically accurate is not necessarily what i describe

[upper berry]

Especially if I can change gender of the character

[fallow ruin]

there is realism, and then rewriting history

we do not need either in battlefield

[forest siren]

Revisionist history isnt bad. Its a unique and interesting way of telling stories of what COULD have happened.

Like Wolfenstein. What would happen if the Reich won? Yknow? It doesnt actually means it happened.

And BF1 had Experimentals and Prototypes out on full display despite the combat being mainly Artillery and Bolt actions

[fallow ruin]

i dont think women should have combat roles in ww2 because its important to hold ourselves as a society accountable for not doing that, but like i said i dont care and its not a hill ill die on. the no sw@stikas and censoring the word n@zi is actually insane

[upper berry]

Battlefield where Russians beat US

[forest siren]

Lmao

[upper berry]

Prob goes hard to

[fallow ruin]

no, revisionist history is objectively bad, wth???

what is the benifit of portraying actual n@zis as german soldiers???

[tight rain]

Cold war gone hot please dice i beg of thee

[upper berry]

Battlefield where Women is fighting for lost in WW1/2

[fallow ruin]

and alternate history is not revisionist history

[forest siren]

They're still Germans.

[upper berry]

No men is present

[fallow ruin]

yeah thats not the point

this game is not portraying itself as "alternate history" it is ea pandering

[upper berry]

Battlefield where US never dropped to nuke on Japan. So Japan takes over the world

[tight rain]

Yeah they were really close lol

[fallow ruin]

and like i said, what is the benifit of pretending the n@zis didnt exist? i dont care about the women, but why?

[forest siren]

Also don't forget that French women, albeit rarely also participated in combat.

Medal of Honor was one of the first FPS games where you PLAY as a woman. Kicking german asses.

[upper berry]

Battlefield where German is hella strong and wipes US in the war

[tight rain]

Honestly an invasion of mainland japan would have gone hard as fuck for a map

[forest siren]

Its not "Pretending" they "Dont exist"

[fallow ruin]

how?

[tight rain]

This is why we should have had the soviets

Where’s my goddamn mosin dice?!

[upper berry]

History don’t need to exist in games Dice needs to listen to my ideas

[forest siren]

You're still fighting Germans. They didnt have a uniform style akin to Wolfenstein. They still used German fatigues and what not.

Sure yeah getting rid of the swastika is kinda bad but its not like its being missed.

[fallow ruin]

the only reason women are in the game is to market to women that dont want to play as men like yourself, but i dont care. the portrayal of the germans is ridiculous

[forest siren]

I kinda liked how they were portrayed. They were still JUST Soldiers.

[fallow ruin]

how is that not pretending the national socialists didnt exist and take over the former germany

[upper berry]

Dice, fucking flip flop where history dosent mean shit in Video games. Please. 🙏

[forest siren]

Its not saying they didnt exist.

[fallow ruin]

how?

[forest siren]

They have an entire campaign DEDICATED to them.

[fallow ruin]

so why would they not have any symbolism whatsoever

dont you think its blatant pandering

[tight rain]

The germans decided they wanted something cooler

[forest siren]

Because it doesnt need to be everywhere?