battlefield-legacy-titles

[solar nexus]

Even indians and other soldiers from various British colonies were in the british army

[scenic elm]

it was the British empire after all

people from all over the place

[vale grail]

That too, but why focus on the actual people of differing ethnicities when you can have self-inserts that don't make sense instead?

As for 2042, instead of locking the character abilities to the characters with cringe voicelines, why not just make those special abilities pickable like the BF4 perk presets for any class.

[granite wyvern]

I play as Tom Cruise lol

[vale grail]

right, the top gun knock-off

that's levels of cringeception I didn't even think possible

[scenic elm]

well Unleast he's easy to spot

[granite wyvern]

And the phantom of the opera guy when baddie

[solar nexus]

They wanted to focus on lesser known battles. In that regard they didn't add the german and Soviet maps Which were the most requested maps till they cut the game's support

[granite wyvern]

His lines are great

[vale grail]

No issue with that, all the power to them had they the time and creative freedom to do it the right way.

[scenic elm]

allot of the Worst players in the game play him

so you see him allot sniping alone in some bush

on the other side of the map

[vale grail]

it's just sad at this point

Like kicking a kid who fell out of his wheelchair

[granite wyvern]

I may not be the best but I’m far from the worst

[scenic elm]

im not saying that playing him makes you bad

just allot of new players pick him

and they tend to be potato at the game

fair enoght everyone starts somewhere

[vale grail]

Could've easily done a campaign story about the Night Witches

[scenic elm]

it could be worse, they could be dudes that role play a bush

[vale grail]

But no, 'Heavy Water but one chick instead of all men team' go brr

[vale grail]

Stop it, you'll give 'em ideas

[solar nexus]

Battlefield Hardline got so much hate because it wasn't a military shooter. They could've just removed the battlefield from the name and the game would've been appreciated. Like Ubisoft removed Tom Clency's name from xdefient after the backlash

[vale grail]

One of the five DICE developers left is just chatlurking waiting for more idiotic ideas to somehow make 2042 even worse.

[vale grail]

Do you mean Tom Clancey?

[solar nexus]

They shutdown the studio that was making the campaign

They are making a f2p battle royal which is the worst decision by far

[granite wyvern]

We sometimes play with whole squad as Tom for the best squad screen lol

[solar nexus]

They can't replicate Warzone's success

[scenic elm]

you got to please investors somehow, i guess

[vale grail]

EA try not to fuck up a 20 year spanning franchise!

[solar nexus]

CDPR avoids that

[scenic elm]

Ea : hold my beer

[vale grail]

EA :makes the worst possible decisions

[vale grail]

We're the biggest investors because without OUR money DICE and EA are roylally fucked

[solar nexus]

Investors didn't influence cyberpunk

Maybe Investors forced cdpr to launch cyberpunk early

[vale grail]

it was more-so covid pushing back their release dates and the public practically kicking their doors down over it.

[solar nexus]

We are the reason for bad game launches and microtransactions. Stop preordering, and stop buying microtransactions let them learn their lesson

[vale grail]

"it not ready"
"give it to us anyway"
"okay"
"why isn't it ready yet"

[vale grail]

I got 2042 for free and still paid too much

Money can be returned, time wasted and forever lost can't.

HellDivers 2, Choo Choo Charles, Poppy Playtime and Leathal Company are KILLING these greedy assholes at their own game.

[granite wyvern]

I paid £110 for game, upgraded Xbox to series X especially for it and went back to BFV in 7 days lol

[vale grail]

It's beautiful!

[solar nexus]

Cdpr showed a fake gameplay of the last gen version which wasn't ready and they admitted to it

[vale grail]

Should've gotten a refund

I returned cod cold war same day and got a full refund for it.

[granite wyvern]

I’d played too many hours

[solar nexus]

That game was actually good. Even though the campaign is short

But still better than MW3

[vale grail]

Campain was terrible

got as a free monthly a while back, humoured it with a replaythrough and still stand by that fact but at LEAST it respected the contineuity of the original Black Ops.

MWIII was shit, why anyone still pays into cod is beyond me.

[vale grail]

F

[solar nexus]

The game was mostly made during covid

Raven made the campaign while treyarch handled the rest

[vale grail]

So was Choo Choo Charles and HellDivers 2, covid delayed a lot of things but the shitty writing is solely to blame on shite development cycles and doctrines.

[night flower]

Holy you must be level 500 twice lol

[solar nexus]

Ea is the reason why the veteran battlefield devs left

[night flower]

Nah I’m pc.. rip for me I get all the cheaters lmao

[solar nexus]

The Finals is outperforming bf2042

[vale grail]

Awesome!

You know a franchise is dead when mostly people join the official discord just to shit on it

Or rather to simply say that it's shit to put it in better phrasing.

I'm just here to find people that still play BF1 honestly.

[solar nexus]

It's made by the old battlefield devs

[vale grail]

Even better!

DICE's Respawn if you will

[solar nexus]

The game has the best destruction

EA lied about bf2042's destruction

[vale grail]

EA/Activision is gaming Britain and Respawn/the guys who make The Finals are gaming america.

[vale grail]

EA lied about a game le gasp noooo impossible you must just be sexist or something! (this is sarcasam)

[solar nexus]

Ea and Activision are based in the US

[granite wyvern]

Yeah I’ve been 500 for a long while

[zenith belfry]

Need squad bf1

[vale grail]

No I mean imperialistic assholes that want to chokehold everything and force it all under their shitty doctrines meanwhile TitanFall and Finals are free to be made how they want to be

[solar nexus]

Ea killed Titanfall

[vale grail]

Respawn's in their name, they'll be free one day.

Just as we wait for Jack to find BT, we must ourselves wait in turn for TitanFall 3.

[vale grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-FB6Opo5c

I'm not above going Biblical with my distane for modern gaming, but that'd be for another time.

Good talk Dell.

[upper berry]

respawn killed titanfall. not EA

do your research

[upper berry]

TF3 isnt coming , just saying

blame the BR trend for Apex, respawn killed off TF3 development due to BR trend. EA didnt even know at all about TF3 was in the works. EA never heard about TF3 at all.

[vale grail]

They pulled Respawn off of TF3 to focus on Apex and wokeified TitanFall's story

TitanFall 2's teasers was just to hype up the ice age baby with radiation poisoning and leukimia powers for Apex

[upper berry]

https://www.ign.com/articles/respawn-worked-on-titanfall-3-for-10-months-before-pivoting-to-apex-legends-ex-dev-reveals

EA had nothing to do with TF3

EA never knew about TF3. only respawn themselves did all of this.

[vale grail]

we never asked for this and yet it was shat upon our doorstep in a flaming bag

[upper berry]

This is respawn themselves saying this about TF3 development

[vale grail]

fire that bastard without pension

[upper berry]

They only made the first playable mission before dropping the development

Respawn CEO Vince Zampella choice to follow the BR trend

they also talked about why they followed the BR trend in the article

[solar nexus]

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/production/ea-ceo-60-percent-of-dev-processes-could-be-impacted-by-generative-ai-

[solar nexus]

That's why the next battlefield gonna have a BR?

[upper berry]

most likely

I just hope they don’t treat it the same way as they do WZ for cod. Make it the golden child over the official game itself.

[vale grail]

whoever thought that was a smart move to drop all of this, but this idiot calling it a 'right call' to drop titanfall 3 needs to be fired

[upper berry]

hes not a idiot. its just how game industry adapt to make bank

[grand forge]

foresight to drop a less profitable venture that could have just been average

respectable decision

[solar nexus]

It will be used to sell you specialist skins and other microtransactions. The next bf is getting back the class system but it may have characters similar to bf5 which was profitable for EA

[solar nexus]

Vince Zampella criticized BF2042. That gives me hope for the next game but still EA can't be trusted

[upper berry]

EA publish the game. Not the inside, behind the scenes making the game.

Zampella is a very smart person. He just dosent want the community to backlash on them like 2042. Even tho 2042 is a great game itself.

The beginning is rough but that’s the past. Atleast is not another BF4 launch disaster.

[vale grail]

We would've gladly PAID for TF3!

They could've made Apex ledgends too, they could've had both with the money made from Apex, we could've gotten BT back god damn it!

[upper berry]

I personally think TF3 won’t do great tbh.

TF2 was very good to end it off.

[vale grail]

Bullshit, everyone was posting and talking about it when the teasters were happening, the servers were fixed, the game's videos on youtube had 100s of thousands of views on average.

WE. ARE. HERE. god damn it!

[upper berry]

How the gaming industry is. It won’t do great.

It’s only a small fanbase for it. A lot of people moved on from apex and TF games. Let’s see how their next Titanfall universe game will be like.

[vale grail]

A small fanbase? you call 500k people willing to pay 60-70USD each for TitanFall 3 'small'?

That'd be 35 Million dollars right there.

[vale grail]

Not even counting expansions that could be added like multiplayer map packs or better yet a DLC features like adding the TitanFall 1 maps and titans into it as well?

[upper berry]

So if the game does come out and flop because it’s exactly just like TF2 as a reskin. It will sell and do very well?

I don’t think respawn wants to do that unless they reboot the TF series.

[vale grail]

Given the fact Titanfall 2 was released between BF1 and Infinite Warfare, despite that, it STILL stands as one of the most active games from 2016.

Plenty of people talking about titanfall 3 on youtube.

[upper berry]

steam alone

[upper berry]

Respawn said it won’t happen. I still don’t understand why they hope for it to happen.

It won’t ever come out.

Unless they fully reboot it.

[vale grail]

Apex did that already because it's cannon to be another timeline

[upper berry]

Apex didn’t reboot TF series.

It’s just a game within the TF universe

[vale grail]

Keep in mind that it's cannon apex is in a diferent universe

[upper berry]

It’s the same universe. What are you on?

[vale grail]

I remember hearing that the mirage from titanfall's universe swapped places with the Apex universe's Mirage

I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I last bothered to keep up with that.

[upper berry]

Apex universe is based off of TF universe

It’s essentially a TF spinoff as a BR game

Apex is basically linked to TF universe either way.

[compact oxide]

@tawny geyser please only use the lfg channel for this

[tawny geyser]

My bad, I’m not familiar with discord etiquette. Will do

[deep trellis]

W pfp

[ocean basin]

Who still play bf1 here?

I need help to unlocking the peacekeeper

[granite wyvern]

2042 is a great game?? 😂😂😂😂

[solemn stump]

What's that?

[plain wraith]

d

[little vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FA5ht1sn_Fc

[granite wyvern]

Wouldn’t worry - there were multiple off-topic posts before you asked about BF and they were fine apparently.

[hasty pendant]

Hello, I need help, I can't open Battlefield 4 from Steam, it appears that it is running but nothing appears, if you can help me it would be a great help

[night flower]

Hey I’ve had this problem in the past, either try to restart your pc or reinstall the game if restart didn’t work

[vale grail]

I've BF1 but no clue on the peacekeeper

[vale grail]

In a woooooooorrrld of pure imagination

2042 is poopie

[solar nexus]

They shifted all of their resources towards the next game. BF2042 can't be fixed

[granite wyvern]

It was unfixable from release

[solar nexus]

Vince Zampella said BF2042 stayed too far from what battlefield is

[solar nexus]

They are better off not making the same mistakes in the next game

BF2042 is certainly not great. Unfortunately it will be regarded as the worst battlefield in the entire series. Hardline used to hold that position

[granite wyvern]

Yep - no focusing on making the game so inclusive at the cost of ending up with a crap, unplayable game

[solar nexus]

They ignored the warnings from the beginning

Bad launch wasn't much of a problem compared to the other serious issues it had that they no way will be able to reverse it like balancing, specialists, lack of destructions

Even BF4 had a launch as bad as BF2042

BF4 didn't have the questionable design elements

[dense bone]

dude still trying to act like 2042 launch was even in the same universe of bad as bf4 launch...

[granite wyvern]

Bugs/balance issues is one thing, but to remove half the core features is another.

[dense bone]

id argue they just doubled down on core features

large scale combined arms warfare sandbox shooter

locked loadouts and the originals scoreboard are not "core features"

its insane what people will chalk up as a core feature just to try to make dice/ea look worse for some reason

whats the goal "hur dur, multi million/billion dollar companies didnt make the best product they could and made a few million less than they wanted. I WIN"

[hasty marsh]

different types of Bad.
BF4 was a good game that didnt work
2042 was a bad game

[dense bone]

yea a game not working at all is much worse than a disappointing game..

if you cant understand that then.. idk what to tell you

[hasty marsh]

But also means that, once those bugs are fixed, you have a good game.
2042 has to try and ship-of-theseus itself into a good product and only half succeeded

[dense bone]

cool? we were only talking about launch and how one dude is trying to act like they are the same

[solar nexus]

BF4 is more enjoyable than BF2042

[dense bone]

no one said otherwise..

reading is hard

[hasty marsh]

the point is that theyre not exactly comparable and that "2042 was worse" is not invalid depending on what you mean by bad.
Bad as in "the state of the game in this moment is bad", bf4. Bad as in "the state of this game has bad consequences", 2042

[solar nexus]

Buggy launch can be fixed but questionable design choices can't be reversed

[dense bone]

i mean.. the criteria was set as launch.. which bf4 launch was objectively worse.. to try to argue anything else is just moronic...

[hasty marsh]

to try to argue anything else is just moronic
you miss the point

[dense bone]

i mean.. they can and did.. they did change specialists..

[solar nexus]

Bf2042 fixed the bugs that it had at launch but they can't get rid of the questionable design choices now

[dense bone]

id argue you miss the point..

[dense bone]

they CAN, they just wont for whatever reason

they did change all the maps, kind of bring back locked loadouts, etc

they have literally made changes... what are you talking about

[hasty marsh]

the maps are still terrible, theyre just slightly less terrible

[solar nexus]

The classic soldiers aren't there. BF2042 feels like a hero shooter. They copied it from warzone and apex legends

[dense bone]

xD

[solar nexus]

They can't add it now either

[dense bone]

we have devolved to that statement

idk why i expect anything less from dell

[dense bone]

quality is not a design choice...

[hasty marsh]

and?

[solar nexus]

Where are the destructions that defined the series?

Portal doesn't count

[dense bone]

is reading that hard for you? the topic went from bf4 launch vs 2042 launch and you didnt grasp that, and now its about changing design choices and you bring up quality...

like literally.. can you not read?

[dense bone]

in smaller buildings like its always been EXCEPT bf4 and levolution

[hasty marsh]

I can read. Ive explained to you the difference between the launches, and you just dont care.

[solar nexus]

There is a significant difference between bad launch and questionable design choices

[dense bone]

i dont care about you changing goal posts...

[hasty marsh]

no goal posts have been changed

[dense bone]

LOL ok

you literally just brought up the quality of the maps when we were talking about changing design choices..

why is it the people with default pfp the ones that cant understand shit

[solar nexus]

Bad launch wasn't a problem for BF2042, there are several games that had bad launches and recovered from it like BF4. But you can't reverse bad design choices

[hasty marsh]

map quality is a result of how the map is designed.

This should be obvious

[solar nexus]

Like you can't get rid of specialists now

[dense bone]

did i not just spend the last 5 minutes showcasing how they were changing bad designs.. hence they CAN reverse them..

[solar nexus]

Replacing specialists with the classic soldiers aswell?

[dense bone]

the original map designs were large and empty, so they cut back on being large and empty, that is literally reversing their map designs

[solar nexus]

Portal have it

[dense bone]

that doesnt mean they are good maps still..

[hasty marsh]

They added cover. The maps are still plauged with extremely open areas and flow horribly. The fundamental design of the maps could not be changed without making new maps. This only makes them slightly better.

[dense bone]

quality and design choices are different..

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-stressed-cant-omg-seriously-gif-16578464

ill pick up a religion and pray for you two, because you guys need it

[hasty marsh]

one is a result of the other

the design choices that lead to these maps being bad cannot be reversed without cutting the map.

They can only be mitigated

[solar nexus]

Blame 128 players

[hasty marsh]

no

[solar nexus]

They wanted large maps

So less destructions

[hasty marsh]

thats not the issue with these maps

(but yes, is another game design choice that cant be reversed)

take notes Nyphon

[solid hinge]

BF4 and 2042 can’t be compared similarly besides broken launches. It’s more of a problem that it’s been over 10 years and Battlefield titles are still releasing the same way than anything else. But BF4 enjoyed the simplicity of being an expanded version of BF3, which was already a commercially successful title, while also adding more content on top of it, 2042 has no real foundation in the franchise and it’s just so removed from any of its predecessors in all but what the frostbite engine allows them to do with a lot of players and vehicles

[hasty marsh]

it’s been over 10 years and Battlefield titles are still releasing the same way than anything else
you underappreciate all the new and unique ways BF can fuck up

[solar nexus]

They got rid of the legacy features, that's the issue

[solid hinge]

[solar nexus]

They should've just copied BF4. Most people would've appreciated it

But EA told DICE to copy what's popular, hence that got BF2042 in the situation that it is now today

People can't blame everything on bad launch

Even BF5 had a bad launch

[solid hinge]

This is why art direction is imo still absolutely important, because every game as far as gameplay goes actually tends to have a few shitty choices and balancing problems, DICE always made immersive games with destruction and their thematic consistency

[hasty marsh]

DICE always made immersive games with destruction and their thematic consistency
battlefield v lmao

[solid hinge]

well BF1 and prior that is

[solar nexus]

Those people are no longer at DICE even more people left after BF2042's bad launch

[solid hinge]

I honestly haven’t enjoyed any BF published since BF1 for that reason

[solar nexus]

Most devs started to leave after BF5

EA is solely to be blamed for that

[solid hinge]

Interesting

I wonder how much of a component just the PR surrounding DICE was for how many devs left

[solar nexus]

It was known since BF5 but people didn't pay attention to it till BF2042's bad launch

[hasty marsh]

I suspect it was internal. BFV's design, marketing, and live service heavily suggested that there was absolutely no vision for the game

Something was going to hell behind the scenes and the game was changing tone and gameplay wildly

[solar nexus]

After BF2042's launch people started to put things together and connect everything on what went wrong

[hasty marsh]

Id argue there was 3 seperate visions for BFV going at once

• BF1 in WW2
• A battlefield 2 esque game, with slower and more tactical elements
• A very outlandish, somewhat silly game

[smoky solar]

I love Bf1 but there’s only servers in my region at night, and I play bfv occasionally should I get the bf2042?

[dense bone]

Bfv launch was actually solid. Did you even play at launch? Do you just make shit up?

[solar nexus]

Patrick Solderlund left after BF5's launch and formed Embark studios where most DICE devs went. People didn't care cause Patrick Solderlund said something that caused the preorder sales to drop

[hasty marsh]

5 was a bit rocky compared to 1

[solar nexus]

It had bugs, and a whole controversy

[hasty marsh]

but its just totally overshadowed by 4 and 2042

[solid hinge]

The first 2 make the most sense to me cause bfv was a weird amalgamation of mechanics like attrition that just did not make sense to me

[dense bone]

Almost every mp game has bugs at launch… imaging citing a shitty trailer and what a ceo said to why bfv launch was bad….

The correlation is astonishing

[solar nexus]

BF5 got better like 2 years later

[solar nexus]

The game needed contents

[dense bone]

It launched with 2 less maps than bf1 irrc

[solid hinge]

All I really know about BFVs life besides content dripfeeding was TTK changes and horrible visibility (which… also never got fixed unfortunately)

[solar nexus]

Players were begging for maps and content in general

[dense bone]

you really are making shit up

[hasty marsh]

you say that like thats not a sizable hit.

[dense bone]

I truly believe you have no clue what you’re talking about most of the time

[dense bone]

It’s not nearly as short on content as people make it out to be.

[hasty marsh]

It was the smallest BF since BF3, and the live service was both excruciatingly slow and heavily focused on stuff noone really cared about.

[dense bone]

Well yea. It was also for the time major content was free too.

[hasty marsh]

Not to mention a number of guns and modes that were announced for launch getting delayed.

[dense bone]

No one said it was perfect, but to act like it was bad is just not true

He literally sourced a trailer and what a ceo said as a reason for why it was a bad launch, like that matters

[hasty marsh]

Well personally i think BFV is just not that good of a game.
But, I think the launch is only "fine" when compared to how catastrophic other BF launches have been

[dense bone]

I mean.. I think only bf1 launch was better..

[hasty marsh]

Bf1 was the only good launch in the last decade yes

[dense bone]

Yes let’s understand the things are not only black and white. Bfv launch was far from bad, it wasn’t perfect either but not even close to bad.

Ironically launch was better than some weeks later, because when they started patching was when there was a lot of problems.

Actual problems like black screens and not being able to be revived.

[hasty marsh]

launch is arguably better than now on PC since BFV has been disemboweled by hackers

[dense bone]

I think the worst thing at launch was balance… that was honestly it. There wasn’t anything game breaking or major problems. Standard weird bugs and poor balancing.

[solar nexus]

Bf5 launch wasn't as bad as BF2042 or even as BF4

[hasty marsh]

8 maps was a hard sell. Yes its slightly less than 1 but 1 was slightly less than 4 and you could see these games starting to shrink.
The lack of boats also stung for me.

[dense bone]

Nothing was worse than bf4 launch… why is this hard for you to understand?

[hasty marsh]

we understand what you mean by this.
we just dont care, because you are using a different metric than us

[dense bone]

A game not functional at all for 7 months is a pretty damning metric

[solar nexus]

BF5 needed balancing and contents. These were the primary issues but the game got better 2 years later

[dense bone]

Why you choose not to use that metric is weird

[hasty marsh]

I have explained the rationale. You can take it or leave it.

[dense bone]

So have I

[solar nexus]

When they bought iwo jima expansion if I remember correctly

[dense bone]

And I’ll just outright say you’re rational is weird af

[solar nexus]

Whatever you say, BF4 had the worst launch in the entire series

[dense bone]

It’s like saying you’d rather have a car that doesn’t run vs a car that runs you just don’t like it

[solar nexus]

Both are unacceptable

[dense bone]

This is not a matter of opinion my guy…

[hasty marsh]

Id argue something reversible is better than something not reversible, even if the reversible thing is worse at the time.
The difference between a broken car that can be fixed into a good car vs a car that sucks

I see why you disagree. But I cant see why you find this completely irrational

[dense bone]

You get the difference between something not working and personal preferences in not liking something right?

[solar nexus]

Reminds me of the thought experiment of the ship of theseus. whether an object is the same object after having had all of its original components replaced

[dense bone]

Because if you did you would realize that just not liking something is acceptable…

Something not functioning is not acceptable…

You can take someone for court for something not working, you can’t take them to court because you didn’t like it

[solar nexus]

You can if you were mislead

[dense bone]

This really isn’t a hard concept

Maybe for you it is, but it’s really not hard to understand

Oh yea people actually did try to sue over bf4 too

[hasty marsh]

nothing about 42's launch design is acceptable. This is not a school project, simply functioning is not the only standard

[solar nexus]

I understand, both are worse. Yeah BF2042 is playable but it's not as good compared to it's predecessors, that's the main problem

[dense bone]

Both are worse? That statement makes no sense…

This is what I’m talking to…

[solar nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/s/5uZBjkjkhO

[solar nexus]

How many out of these they fixed it by now?

[dense bone]

TLDR

I already know stupid shit like voip is in there too

Something no one uses but so many people cried about

[solar nexus]

I understand the differences. But both are not acceptable

[dense bone]

To you. One is objective the other is subjective…

[tight rain]

I remember people in bf1 doing the exact same thing after the “they shall not pass” dlc came out

[dense bone]

and those were PAID for dlc

like yea.. the slow content of bfv was annoying, but at least that shit was free

[solid hinge]

They shall not pass was the first DLC tbf and i think it came out like months after the release of BF1

Granted with premium you got a whole lot more content despite the release intervals

[solid hinge]

October 2016 from release to March 2017 for they shall not pass

[dense bone]

didnt the first map for bfv come out like a month after launch?

[granite wyvern]

What?? It had no scoreboards, stats, persistent servers, server browser, proper squad control, platoons - the list goes on

[granite wyvern]

I’ve played and loved each BF before - this was the first I hated

[granite wyvern]

I’d rather pay and be guaranteed the content in a timely manner

[granite wyvern]

VOIP is critical for finding like minded players to play with. I think I literally disagree with almost everything you have to say lol

[scenic elm]

the only time i've ever used voip in battlefield was to Insult a Cheater i and my friend where troling

so the enemy could kill them

we body blocked them

so i honeslty agree that Voip in battlefield is a bit of a joke and preaty much is Never used

even if you squad mates in V for example have a microphone

you never accualy hear anyone use there Microphone

unless they are trolling by mic spaming or acidently press ALT the push to talk key while Alt tabing to check discord or something

or if someone is complaning that : oh you Suck because you didin't revive me weee im so angry

[granite wyvern]

Well if it were not for VOIP I would not now never play without a minimum of one full squad in party talking/making call outs

[scenic elm]

well you are on consol, there it's compleatly different

[granite wyvern]

ONG - that’s the point, over time you find the team players

[scenic elm]

i never realy found a single player i would like to play with exept my accualy friends

in BFV

i did add a few players on Ea App that i did have fun playing with, but they never joined my game after wards

on Consols Voip is realy usefull, on PC ? not so much

[granite wyvern]

Fair enough

[scenic elm]

for Voip with randoms to work it would require the randoms to accualy work with you

and lissen

i guess if you have realy new players and they are willing to cooperate you can make them play better

insted of aimlessly sitting in the back as scout

[granite wyvern]

I now have a network of so many players I play with regularly (who I found on game chat)

[dense bone]

had a scoreboard, just a weird one, had stats just weird again, ill just agree to the others because those are still not core features either.. idk what you consider core but QOL features are certainly not them.

[dense bone]

k?

[scenic elm]

i have found a bunch of players in different games i play BF with

but never found one in BF it self

Most of them in Vermintide 2

[dense bone]

thats youre choice, i think i could wait and get more maps/weapons for free eventually, i guess its a matter of patience?

[dense bone]

i have thousands of hours across several bf titles.. i would honestly guess ive heard less than 30 people use it in all that time...

[granite wyvern]

No. It’s a matter of not being a cheap skate.

[granite wyvern]

Like Oliver said - maybe console is different

[dense bone]

lol youve tried the "skill check" approach before and that didnt work, i can tell you the cheap approach wont work either

again, it was annoying at the time, but its really not a big ask to wait a little to get maps..

[granite wyvern]

Disagree. People like you play bf all the time and cost per min of entertainment is nothing. Yet you don’t pay the cost of one night out for more content- ridiculous.

[dense bone]

i mean.. you can disagree all you want, doesnt really amount to much

not only that but i paid for map packs a bunch before and it sucked for various reasons outside of JUST the cost

[granite wyvern]

Cheap skate - go get a job

[dense bone]

split player base, not being able to play said packs because X friend doesnt have it, weapons being p2w, etc etc

didnt take long for you to devolve to baseless takes

[granite wyvern]

It’s true though - our hobby is cheap compared to most

[dense bone]

nothing about what you just said is true...

i literally just told you i paid for the map packs before..

[granite wyvern]

Luke Skywalker quotes now lol

[dense bone]

not wanting all the negatives that come with paid dlc because i have a bit of patience and prefer free things doesnt mean im a cheap skate

[granite wyvern]

No, it really does

[dense bone]

usually we disagree but you dont devolve to meme tier troll but somethings different today

[granite wyvern]

2 bottles of wine

[exotic moon]

hi, does anyone play bf3? it looks like a dead game

[junior torrent]

on VU, yes

[tight rain]

Don’t stand for this, say something scandalous about his mother

[upper berry]

WR is gonna be my main game when it drops

[junior torrent]

same

but its not bad to come back to VU once the next patch drops for the bot

[upper berry]

I been playing 2042 over any battlefield lately. Once WR drops. It’s gonna be with my 3-4 games I grind out on

Other battlefield games bored me now

[granite wyvern]

Please do, I can’t stand her

[dense bone]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-shes-a-nice-lady-gif-14862392

[upper berry]

BF4 is the gigaChad

[granite wyvern]

Again we disagree

[crimson ember]

Does anyone know why when I connect to a specific server in Battlefield 3 then when there is a message "connecting" nothing happens? On any other server I can play and my favorite one stopped responding.

[silk current]

hey you guys still good pilot a helicopter in bf4?

cause damn im starting to get pretty good at it.

even after 10 years since release.

[exotic moon]

how? :D i dont know how to fly god helicopter and jets, planes in every bf.. :D

but every 140lvl in planes are crazy...

[vale grail]

I got the definitive edition upgrade for BFV, didn't get the BF1 bonus weapons, so much for that failed venture. At least now I don't ever need to touch the fucking thing ever again.

Softlocking guns behind a FOMO paywall that can't be accessed anymore, yet another on the forever mounting list of reasons why Battlefield's died off.

[upper berry]

bf1 weapons in bfv?

[solid hinge]

I sometimes wish i never got the definitive upgrade cause id have a progression loop to look forward to

You can spend like 25 or so hours just focusing on what you’re gonna strategize unlocking

[scenic elm]

no i think someone misstook the BFV pre order bouns pack in BF1

[vale grail]

There was a pre-order bonus to get five limited time BF1 weapons as an incentive to shill out money for BFV before any gameplay trailer even dropped.

[scenic elm]

it kinda sucks that we can't get the variants from that DLC now in 1

because they have different stats

[upper berry]

bouta say bfv have bfv weapons, not bf1

[solid hinge]

A few although I’m not aware of a pre order pack. I wonder how the selbstlader m1916 plays in v

[vale grail]

No, five exclusive weapons for BF1 that were promotional for a BFV pre-order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jb49wf16kA

[scenic elm]

the M1941 johnson and it have allmost the same stats

[solid hinge]

Damn I lowkey hate the Johnson

Reload time and fire rate are kinda weird for me

[scenic elm]

they are preaty bad but still can work

they fill a realy un needed spot

[vale grail]

I mean hell, if they just sold this bundle for 5USD I'd buy it as an add-on. It could be a BF1 micro-update with a few tweaks and fixes to the multiplayer.

[scenic elm]

they are the LONG range semi autos for assault

[solid hinge]

That’s unfortunate because the Johnson still sounds and feels really good

[scenic elm]

they shoot slower but have better damage at range

[solid hinge]

That makes sense actually

[scenic elm]

the diffrence is that the M1916 fits this role way better

then the M1941

the M1941 has it's advantages over the M1916

but the M1916 simply has bigger mags

so it's better

and the advantages of the M1941 don't help at it's intended range

[solid hinge]

I wish BFV had retained different iron sight magnifications tbh

[vale grail]

Or an iron sight slider option like the actual guns have

[scenic elm]

Zeroing on all guns would be kind of redundant

[vale grail]

Not really, it's not exclusive to scopes.

[scenic elm]

i know it's not

the bazooka has zeroing too

and real life guns can zero to around 800 meters

and the ones in WW2 where mostly to 2000 meters

like the Pistol C96 had Sights up to 800 meters

or the Browning high power

lol

but even in V because of damage drop off it would not be usefull unless your playing Scout with bolt actions

or Assault with the Longer range semi autos

[solid hinge]

How the hell is a c96 even tapping someone at 800 meters

[scenic elm]

Ask the Mauzer company why they made C96's with sights that could be zeroed to 800 meters

[solid hinge]

[vale grail]

all that aside, the send-off update for BF1 should've just included a dlc package that included the 5 pre-order weapons and all the dogtags that were formerly limited time events.

[scenic elm]

in red orchestra 2 you can zero the sights up to 800 meters

on the C96

[vale grail]

Because softlocking content behind 'be there or miss out forever' sucks.

[scenic elm]

if you want to see how it looked like

[vale grail]

That's because the RO series is actually good

with gun mechanics that is.

[scenic elm]

yea

the MP40 with expanded mags accualy shows you how it worked

in real life

because the germans did not make expanded mags for it

insted they made a variant of the MP40 where you would have two Mags in one mag well

and would slide the other mag it place after the first one was empty (something like the Burton from BF1)

and other cool details

probobly if BFV was like BF1 and had a variant system they would have shown that

[solid hinge]

On a general note i imagine taping maps together would just make the gun that much heavier on one side but hell it’d come in clutch in a firefight

[scenic elm]

the germans wanted to have the magazine size of the PPSH so they created this variant of the MP40

it's called the MP40 II (roman number 2)

but to be fair the germans made so many wacky and stupid guns they could have made a whole game with just this firearms

and nothing else

Funny STG44 with Bent barrel to fire around corners

or Late war last ditch conversions of Italian carcano rifles turning them it to one shot rifles

stuff like that

[solid hinge]

I saw this, how would that even work

Cause I’d assume the rifling would have to be super intricate

[scenic elm]

i honestly have no idea

[vale grail]

given the MP40's symitry it wouldn't be an issue

[vale grail]

loony toons ahhhhh lookin' gun

[vale grail]

That'd be wolfenstein

[scenic elm]

no im not saying they should have done that

im just saying that there is so many wacky weapons you could fill an entires games worth of guns with it

[vale grail]

That'd be starwars, every gun from george lucas' designs were based off of and built around real life fire arms.

[scenic elm]

• if you would do Realistic german Alt history WW2 guns they would preaty much just be a Pre alpha version of the G3 or MP5

because preaty much the G3 and MP5 are directly linked to the STG44

because the G3 was made by ex mauser enginiers working in spain on all ready existing designes from the war years

[solid hinge]

Wonder why they went to Spain….

[scenic elm]

[solid hinge]

But im guessing that’s why the FAL was technically Spanish in origin?

[scenic elm]

the FN Fal was a Belgian made gun made for the british

it has no connection

to the G3 or STG44

[solid hinge]

Or yeah i think the G3

IIRC the G3 was originally Spanish

[scenic elm]

in spain it had a different name

it became the main weapon of the german military because the belgains did not want to give germany a licence to manufacture the FN fal

and it was simply cheaper and easier to get the mauser enginiers back from spain to make the G3

it was a all ready used and tested designe by the spanish military

[solid hinge]

I find it difficult to say which one i like more, cause the G3 looks amazing but the FAL is iconic

[scenic elm]

the FN FAL was the right arm of the free world

every western nation exept the USA used the FN FAL in some extent

and the french but we don't talk about them

lol

[solid hinge]

Cold War France makes me roll my eyes

[scenic elm]

france has a complicated history so they where doing there own thing

[solid hinge]

True, although i found it funny how Charles de Gaulle apparently was like “France has no friends, only interests” despite having to be liberated

[scenic elm]

well to be fair the USA did fuck over the british and french after the war

during the suez crisis

[solid hinge]

I think I remember the US just not wanting to piss the soviets off hence they refused to help the UK/france

Although im not gonna lie i think threatening to kick France and the UK from NATO was bluff

[scenic elm]

[solid hinge]

Didn’t the UK only finish paying off WW2 debt to the US in like, in the last decade

[scenic elm]

2006 if im not mistaken

if Ukraine wins the war with russia they probably won't pay off the debt till 2070

well to be fair better to win a war and pay debt then lose

[solid hinge]

True that

[flat bay]

I played Battlefield 1 a lot with Xbox game pass and i was asking myself, if i buy It, will i be able to play the dlc's in some way for free? (The ea version doesn't include Revolution)

[solar nexus]

Can we get a cold war era battlefield after the next battlefield?

[hasty marsh]

Yes. There is a weekly playlist (or was, not sure its still up, you can check), that cycles between the dlcs each week. It is free

[flat bay]

What about weapons?

[flat bay]

And i am talking about server browser only

[hasty marsh]

no

[hasty marsh]

they should be visible on the server browser.
Thing is Im pretty sure BF1 only sells revolution version these days so this probably isnt an issue

[flat bay]

Is the Battlefield 1 from EA app Revolution?

[hasty marsh]

idk check

[flat bay]

I am from mobile rn, but last time i saw no Revolution in the title

[vale grail]

If there's even a 'next' battlefield. They're pouring everything into 2042.

[solar nexus]

The next battlefield is coming out in 2025

2042 is at the end of it's lifecycle

[vale grail]

put that plague dog down already it's suffered enough

[scenic elm]

if im not mistaken dice sayed the won't abandon 2042 like BFV

so they will support it until the next game is released

[solar nexus]

Dice also said so many things about BF2042. How many of those were true?

[scenic elm]

well we will see

[solar nexus]

Like next gen destruction in an interview

[vale grail]

checks the bullshit-O-meter none of it really

[vale grail]

well they thorougly destroyed our trust, 5D gaming destruction counts I guess?

[solar nexus]

They killed battlefront 2 and BF5 in favor of BF2042

[scenic elm]

true

but we won't know if they abandon 2042 before the launch of the next game

[vale grail]

AND killed off legacy title multiplayer functionality.

[scenic elm]

unless someone has a time machine

time will tell

[solar nexus]

Most people won't play it if the next one is not worse than the previous one

Most people play BF5 more than BF2042

[vale grail]

I mean shit, it's like they wanted to force everyone to stop comparing portal's shitbooted classic maps the older ones that actually were fun to play

[solar nexus]

They killed portal aswell

[vale grail]

And BF1 still sees about 3-4K daily

[vale grail]

no kidding

everyone's talking about HellDivers 2 and The Trials

[scenic elm]

they just added a few weapons

that's it

lol

[vale grail]

I sometimes wonder if there's old developers on burner accounts here watching all their work and countless hours of programming go to waste.

[solar nexus]

Most people won't touch the current one if the next one is not worse than its predecessors

[scenic elm]

they have better things to do

[vale grail]

Don't you mean better than its predecessors?

given BFV and 2042 still being clowned on and ignored overall outside of a few diehard stans that'll buy into battlefield no matter what?

[solar nexus]

The old devs didn't like BF2042. One dev who worked on BFBC2 till BF4 shared that bF2042 is not what battlefield is about

[scenic elm]

well the old devs made the old game's, i doubt they care much for the newer games

[vale grail]

And yet when I say the same thing I get flamed for being a 'nostalgia junky' or what have you.

[vale grail]

BF1 was the last real Battlefield.

[scenic elm]

purely personal opinion honestly

[solar nexus]

Most left due to EA's management and greed. They don't accept new ideas. That's why the finals is more successful than BF2042

[vale grail]

I'd say 'mismanagment' is more fitting

[solar nexus]

The hype went down for that game

[vale grail]

only hype people have is to watch it die out

[scenic elm]

i still haven't played the finals yet

lol

[vale grail]

ok cool

[solar nexus]

BF5 didn't get better until 2 years later when they dropped important expansions

[solid hinge]

I haven’t either tbh, preferably waiting for more casual ish game modes

[scenic elm]

kind of suprised that it's still has so many players, the finals that is

[vale grail]

and even then it was 'I'm diet tom cruse with none of the fame and all the topgun cringe I can muster I have sunglasses look at how cool I am'.

[solar nexus]

Its f2p, and the destruction that battlefield players wants

The Finals destructions are server side

[scenic elm]

well i had games to play that interested me more like signalis and BF3

il try it when i have the time

[solar nexus]

They killed the game with that

[vale grail]

It's cod pandering at its absolute worst

[scenic elm]

elite skins is the last problem to worry about

[vale grail]

not to mention the annoying animations the elites did

[scenic elm]

honeslty the elite skins are more like the rainbow six ones then the cod ones

[solar nexus]

It was supposed to be a ww2 game so it was supposed to get german and Soviet maps

[vale grail]

'look at me I'm a fistpumping scott, look I'm pulling down my sunglasses to be all edgy I'm so cool'. christ if I came out of a coma and saw only that end of game animation I'd think it a cod game

[vale grail]

With all the censorship included as an added bonus too

not much can really be said that hasn't ben ran into the dirt yet about BFV and 2042's shitty shortcomings.

[solar nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/13pikqq/dice_is_bleeding_old_goat_devs_new_studio_founded/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[solar nexus]

The old dice talents ended up in so many places

[vale grail]

may they find true Valhalla and rest.

[upper berry]

xD. very true indeed

[hasty marsh]

the playerbase killed portal, frankly

[solar nexus]

They didn't add new maps from the previous games to portal

[upper berry]

the playerbase killed BF2042 as a whole

[hasty marsh]

doesnt really matter. The main game was more important, and from day 1 portal was flooded with xp farms and garbage hardcore modes

[solar nexus]

We can see that in BF2042

[upper berry]

dice is just revving it

blame the playerbase. not the devs

also, past battlefield maps dont work with 2042 era

compared to 2042 maps

[solar nexus]

They could make it for BF2042 like they made the other maps. They don't have to brainstorm the new map as the maps are already there

The dev that specifically made portal is now working on the next battlefield

[hasty marsh]

Some of the best maps in 2042 are the ones ripped from Battlefield 3 which is telling

[upper berry]

they also have to make them from the ground up for portal also

[solar nexus]

Everyone is on board with the next game. DICE is handling everything related to BF2042 now. Criterion, Ripple Effects, ea gotenberg worked on BF2042

Now they are busy on the next game

[upper berry]

we all know that

since they announced the development of next title

[solar nexus]

i wonder how long the next bf2042 session is gonna be. the last one was quite long

They are timing it based on the next battlefield release

[misty bridge]

Hello, my game BF2042 keeps crashing after laucnhing, I arrive to game menu and the game crash and i get back to ea app. I tried everything ...

[solar nexus]

S7 could be the last season for BF2042

[upper berry]

maybe the same or back to normal season duration

[upper berry]

S8 as far leakers know of

[solar nexus]

Error message?

[misty bridge]

nope

I think anti cheat whith season 7 screen shwos up before game starts but no clue why

yesterday i played peacefully

[upper berry]

some Anti cheats boots up before game or with the official game launch

[misty bridge]

okok so that shouldnt be the problem ??

[upper berry]

no

[misty bridge]

I wtached all tutorials

all the videos

nothing worked

[upper berry]

ummm, have you tried reinstalling?

[misty bridge]

yes

and reparing

[upper berry]

is your drivers up to date?

like gpu

[misty bridge]

yes

geforce experience

always updated

same for windows

[upper berry]

are u overclocked or default settings?

[misty bridge]

default im on laptop

4060 8go vram

rtx

[upper berry]

task manager and close EA app

[misty bridge]

okok

[upper berry]

then try launching the game through exe file

[misty bridge]

Then ?

alrdy tried

but ill try again

[solar nexus]

Tried reinstalling the EA app?

[misty bridge]

yes

and ea anticheat

launching

[upper berry]

try this. open "NVIDIA Desktop Manager", then go to the "3D Settings" and you need to change "Power management mode" to "Performance" on either "General Settings Tab" or "Program Settings Tab."

[misty bridge]

i expect to be in the menu for 10 sec max

[upper berry]

known as Nvidia control panel

[misty bridge]

it crashed

okok ive seen that laready let me try

[misty bridge]

its alrdy on ''normal''

[upper berry]

swap to performance mode

[misty bridge]

ok

[upper berry]

someone had an issue with 4000 series and that helped them, idk if it could help you

[misty bridge]

done, let me try launching

it crashed :/

how unhappy I am

[upper berry]

how much ram do you have

[misty bridge]

16 Go

i5-12

512Go SSD not full

I played this week, my laptop is freshly new

I even tried deleting logitch g hub app, I thought it was the anti cheat not liking this app

[upper berry]

@cunning light sorry to ping you but do you know to fix this?

[misty bridge]

i tried deleting game cache

[upper berry]

he tried everything but still crashes

[misty bridge]

i had time to adjust my game video settings to normal

[ocean basin]

The easter egg revolver

[flat bay]

Guys

Is the Battlefield 1 on EA app the Revolution version?

[cunning light]

no idea, could be anything really

[upper berry]

i tried to help him, maybe a mem leak idk

idk how to fix that tho. never had that issue

[granite wyvern]

He could just buy a console 🙂

[autumn kraken]

In season 7, DICE could bring back the following things: button to change teams; assistance counts as kill; balancing teams in the match; IMPROVE MATCHMAKING; clan tag;
Also bring more infantry maps to rotate with redacted and also more infantry modes.
For the portal: add more old maps, content and weapons. (Sry my bad english)

[vale grail]

More 'legacy features' I presume?

[autumn kraken]

Features that were already present in previous bfs

[vale grail]

probably going to be paid DLC at this rate.

[upper berry]

changing team def wont comeback.

[autumn kraken]

But need balancing teams in the match

[upper berry]

battlefield dosent have that. only custom hosted servers

[vale grail]

"for just 5 dollars you can swap teams, one charge per swap"

[upper berry]

that will be called P2W tbh

[vale grail]

It's EA, that's basically the case already with the BFV preorder weapons you'd get for BF1.

[upper berry]

o enemy team is winning, imma swap team to make my W/L better

[upper berry]

battlefield isnt around p2w

[vale grail]

Or maybe we're tired of carrying deadweights that camp in spawn instead of being useful and PTFO.

[upper berry]

battlefield also dont have matchmaking system. team balancing is essentially SBMM

[vale grail]

See, out of 32 players on a team, over 25 don't do anything other than basically throw the match for some reason. It's like you need to shove a cattle prod up their arses to get 'em moving. It's ridiculous how many times a match is lost because nobody pushes back and actually holds objectives.

[vale grail]

That's what I've been saying but some dumbies think they're completely different despite the auto-balance and SBMM being mechanically the same thing in concept.

[upper berry]

yes. thats why BF4 paid custom servers have it. even then it dont balance properly. to many people and takes to long to form a good "balanced" match.

[vale grail]

that and the badmins just turn that into stat scumming lobbies where the sweat platoons are all on the same team.

[upper berry]

dice offically dont have that system in play because isnt cod or anything like those. very different game. battlefield alone is ment for casual play.

[vale grail]

Almost all those matches are 140s on one side versus 50s or lower on the other side..

[vale grail]

Despite that being the intended design, it's insanely competitive these days.

[upper berry]

the player can be playing it like its comp but at the end of the day, its not a comp game.

battlefield isnt market for comp.

just a casual sandbox shooter with vehicles and big maps.

it does have comp alike modes, but still isnt market for comp game as a whole still

[vale grail]

By design? No. By collective playstyle of other players? Yes.

[upper berry]

not everyone thinks alike

[vale grail]

On PlayStation that's a different story.

[upper berry]

this is across the board, including playstation

[vale grail]

Might be different depending on what platform it's played on but BF1 is rife with sweats and competive players on PSN.

[upper berry]

every game have sweats and comp players.

on every platform

[vale grail]

And the vast majority of what I've seen is comeptitive in nature.

[upper berry]

yea, that you seen. but battlefield community as a whole isnt sweaty or comp players on all platforms. of what you seen is very low number of players. especially since you see it on one platform

[vale grail]

And yet it's consistent enough to be the status quo for me.

[upper berry]

the sweatiest battlefield games i experienced between all platforms is PC.

[granite wyvern]

Isn’t there a 2042 channel for this?

[vale grail]

That's why I specify PSN.

[vale grail]

#battlefield-2042

[granite wyvern]

Thank you (some of us try to forget the latest BF)

[upper berry]

yes but you said you only seen it on PS. you never stated other platforms also

[vale grail]

Here here!

[vale grail]

I said 'at least on PSN'.

[vale grail]

right here I said it.

[upper berry]

"BF1 is rife with sweats and competive players on PSN". so technically you experienced BF1 on PS only

[vale grail]

that's why I specified on PSN, because I didn't play it anywhere else other than the 360 before ea killed BC2 servers.

Why would I commentate on it collectively when I've only any 'modern' experience on PSN.

[upper berry]

yes but say that 100% is the total playerbase between all platforms right. 33% since battlefield is only on 3 platforms (xbox, PS and PC). about half of that is 16.5% is comp/sweaty players on average (for example). since not everyone plays sweaty/comp in battlefield games in general. so at most you only experienced less than that 16.5% since BF1 is one game. overall its a small %. by that statement.

i wish xbox and PS give out their playercounts.

[flat bay]

Is the Battlefield 1 on EA app the Revolution version?

[vale grail]

it'd still be more than half since 15 is half of 30

[vale grail]

And for clarity I only mention BF1 because that's the only battlefield still active that's fun, but the same issue's on BF4, and V as well.

hardline's sadly dead on PSN

[upper berry]

the 16.5 percent is the PS% in half between sweaty and casuals

16.5% of the entire player base

[last flame]

BF5 seems a lot more populated than 1 for me on ps4 and pc

[granite wyvern]

Yeah, BFV is far more active than BF1

[vale grail]

Keep in mind BFV was a free monthly last year for PSN

[last flame]

Yeah I was just saying I don’t think bf1 is more populated atm. BF1 was given for free for ages on ps plus as well

[granite wyvern]

BFV has been far more active than BF1 since it was released on Xbox

[vale grail]

that'd be xbox, I'm talking playstation

[vale grail]

When was this? It was never advertised that it was a free monthly.

That I've seen at least.

[last flame]

PlayStation collection via ps plus, it was was part of that for years

[vale grail]

you mean the premium thing?

[last flame]

No, PS collection was offered free if you had ps5 until last year on basic ps plus and you got to keep the games

https://screenrant.com/playstation-plus-collection-free-games-download-end-date/#:~:text=The PlayStation Plus Collection is,access their claimed games afterward.

[granite wyvern]

You telling me more people play BF1 than BFV on PS???

[zinc glacier]

rip bf3

[vale grail]

Depends

[vale grail]

they kill those servers too?

[solid hinge]

BFV is naturally more active on most platforms since it’s the game everyone went to if they didn’t want to play 2042. It’s just the next most recent game

[flat bay]

guys

is the battlefield 1 from ea app the revolution version?

and if not, if i buy the premium pass alone, do i get the base game also???

[granite wyvern]

Yeah that’s what I thought too

[heavy flint]

in battlefield 1
does anyone else have problem proning sometimes?
i go prone without any issues and then randomly i get up

[fallow root]

Can you get some sort of picture of the difference between the gap MG34 & MG42 by playing BF5 as it unfolds in reality ?

The firing rate and velocity seem to match quite well. Can you form a kind of picture of how they do it in reality with using BF5 as starting point

[hasty marsh]

the mg34 fires slightly slower than irl

[fallow root]

fair enough, but there are quite a few on reddits who don't agree with me

I first asked how the mg34 would do on omaha beach instead of the mg42 and then I mentioned the BF5 as a notable example with forming an image of sort

[hasty marsh]

They would perform roughly the same

[fallow root]

got a bunch of thumbs down for some reason i don't know. They claim I can't use BF5 as a comparison

Pretty sure they haven't played BF5 once

[hasty marsh]

well, you are using an unrealistic videogame to judge real life combat

[fallow root]

As I mentioned. Isn't BF5 a real life simulator, but the point was to form a kind of image

[hasty marsh]

That is a stupid way to go about it. In real life the finer "stats" of a weapon are not really that important compared to the general design of the weapon

Minor things like firerate become overblown in importance and soft factors like weight or reliability are entirely lost.

[fallow root]

Are they completely right or partially right

[hasty marsh]

They are completely right
The MG42 is a better product overall, its simpler to make, easier to swap the barrel, and has a higher fire rate. But when shit hits the fan the only true difference will the be the fear factor. And not by that much

[fallow root]

Why are they absolutely right when the weapons are quite similar apart from the rate of fire and the barrel thing

[hasty marsh]

are you asking if they are right that its better or if they are right that it is stupid to use bfv?

[fallow root]

I mentioned that it was possible to form some kind of image playing BF5. Not in the right way per se, but somewhat legitimate

it was, after all, an indirect reference

[hasty marsh]

you can get some kind of image, but its not going to be a complete one and can sometimes lead you astray.
For example, were you to use BFV as an example one could conclude that the M1 Garand suffers in stopping power compared to the bolt actions other nations use. This would be false.

Id say for this example the comparison is mostly fine but its not a good method

[fallow root]

my example is within reason ?

i got close to -16 thumbs down by mentioning BF5 as a simulative comparison

[hasty marsh]

You shouldnt be using BFV as a substitute for research, and you certainly should not be worked up over 16 downvotes on reddit

[fallow root]

42 has the faster ttk at short and medium distances. 34 is noted beyond medium distance. I mentioned that and it is probably somewhat correct if we assume that they hold the trigger

[hasty marsh]

Here is the thing about TTK: in real life it does not matter. There is no "Ttk" when you send a full powered cartridge through a mans chest

They are down. Incapacitated or dead on the spot

[fallow root]

What I missed is that an experienced shooter shoots at intervals in burst

You are right. In addition, the Mauser cartridge is more powerful than today's NATO caliber

[hasty marsh]

It also misses the LMG's purpose. LMGs, especially large ones such as the 42, are designed as suppressive weapons, and the core of infantry tactics. BFV has no suppression whatsoever, and players are completely disorganized.

[hasty marsh]

half true. NATO still has a fully powered cartridge and its used in medium machine guns like the M240.

[fallow root]

What I originally wondered was whether the positive qualities of the 34 would make up for cons such as lower rof

more control and less ammo consumption

[hasty marsh]

and the main point I want to get across is that these differences are minor

[fallow root]

as it is portrayed in films, it is suppression and high cone of fire that play an important role for those who defend

[hasty marsh]

as it is portrayed in films

STOP. USING. MEDIA. AS A SOURCE

[tight rain]

I personally wouldn’t say so

[fallow root]

What you think. Would they keep the beach longer or shorter in case so

[hasty marsh]

they would keep the beach for the same amount of time

[scenic elm]

if they had maxim guns from ww1 it would make no difference lol

[fallow root]

What I don't understand is why there were no snipers to take out those in the bunkers

[hasty marsh]

there was much more happening at Omaha than machine guns
Notably, the air force and navy failed to take out the defensive structures.

[hasty marsh]

There were. This is not a videogame.

[scenic elm]

there is a good reason why the MG42 repleaced the MG34 in the ground role, it was cheaper

[fallow root]

They weren't quite unsuccessful

but as we say, Maxim could do it satisfactorily well

[hasty marsh]

believe it or not when you are on an open beach with little cover its not exactly the easiest to beam a guy in a bunker 100-500 yards away

[scenic elm]

while your geting shot at too

[tight rain]

Well obviously it ain’t that hard cause i did it in cod ww2

[solid hinge]

This could all be resolved if dice simply added an Omaha Beach map, nah just playing

[hasty marsh]

Ive yet to see a game where the omaha beach map was actually good

[scenic elm]

doing an amphibous landing well is hard in games

[solid hinge]

Those circumstances were pretty suicidal to be fair I’m surprised it worked but world history is a lot better since it did

[fallow root]

Omaha can be played in multiple games. Among other things, day of defeat source

[hasty marsh]

no its not they just choose a spot that was notorious for being a slaughter and then seem suprised when the map doesnt play well

[scenic elm]

even BFV does a amphibous landing style map terribly on breakthrough Pacific storm

[fallow root]

Why didn't the Germans open fire while they were on their way to the beach

[scenic elm]

when the defenders are good the atackers are compleatly hopeless

[fallow root]

It was unwise anyway

[tight rain]

The allies had spawn protection

[hasty marsh]

UsefulSponge. Please, for the love of god, read a book

[solid hinge]

Getting blasted by zeros and chi has on Iwo Jima beach:

[hasty marsh]

Im begging you Sponge

[scenic elm]

the germans where kind of occupied by being Bombed

lol

[fallow root]

eat a bun

[scenic elm]

well unleast the beach on iwo jima is probobly the easiest objective to take

i've Never seen the atackers fail to take the beach

in the first 2 minuts

[solid hinge]

My luck is always getting the teams that completely stalemate

[fallow root]

The moment of surprise

Nutter go grab a well deserved bun

[hasty marsh]

Like I dont mean to be rude but most of these questions seem to come entirley from watching saving private ryan and not reading about how these battles actually play out

[fallow root]

Fine, sorry

[hasty marsh]

ya cant use movies and videogames to learn unless theres like a codex or something.

[fallow root]

How much of a difference is there really from how it is portrayed in the media and how it unfolded

[scenic elm]

[hasty marsh]

immense

[scenic elm]

imagine watching enemy at the gates and thinking that's how the battle of stalingrad looked like

[tight rain]

Enemy at the gates and it’s consequences on history

[hasty marsh]

Real warfare is slow and terrifying. Its at long distances. You will more often be killed by artillery than any gunfight.

[scenic elm]

Arillery is the God of war

[fallow root]

In reality, the Allied soldiers used water pistols and firecrackers as grenades 😂

[scenic elm]

Every Arm chair historian playing HOI4 : the soviets um like gunned down there own guys because they run away

[solid hinge]

Hoi4 mentioned therefore I was summoned

[hasty marsh]

at the very least it shows the battle of stalingrad. There is a shocking number of people who dont even know about the eastern front, and much more who dont realize it was the majority of the war

for many, ww2 is the events of band of brothers

[scenic elm]

pretty much

Imagine learning about ww2 history for the first time in cod vanguard

[hasty marsh]

Ill give them one thing, their stalingrad environment is actually very good.

[scenic elm]

well outside of that everything is cursed

[tight rain]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[hasty marsh]

actually its one of the only missions that does not seem to utterly bastardize its history.
The main issues are equipment which, frankly, is very overblown in terms of importance by "gamers".

[scenic elm]

no one forced the devs to add cursed guns to the campaign

maybe managment but we don't know that

world at war had the loved by everyone Nydar 47 sight but just in multiplayer

not in campaign

[hasty marsh]

sure but also who. gives. a. fuck.
videogames have created an obsession with historical guns that leads to idiotic shit like "would dday be different if they had mg34s"

[versed lynx]

Guns cause violence

[hasty marsh]

People are so focused on learning about the toys they use in videogames that they loose sight of the actual events theyre used in.
Its the deadliest battle in human history and the only meaning they can find in it is whether the panzer 3 or 4 was more common.

Unless a game is a simulator, like HLL or PS, this stuff isnt important

[versed lynx]

Violence simulator

[fallow root]

The consensus seems to be that the MG34 could do just as well if I'm not mistaken

[scenic elm]

[tight rain]

Pretty much

[fallow root]

But maxim is probably a bit excessive

[scenic elm]

not like the germans JUST used german equipment on dday, there where mostly poorly armed fortress divisions with captured equipment and low quality personel

[fallow root]

the Ukrainians make use of the maxim even today cause of shortage of weapons and some have tried to enhance it somewhat

[scenic elm]

well most people "Stick to tanks" while learning history as some say, learning about the overall picture of the war is simply boring to most and would rather talk about tanks or guns

because that's what interested them the most

[hasty marsh]

because they play war thunder.
They treat history like videogame lore

[scenic elm]

this is where all the "What if germany did X to win the war" pops up so much

[hasty marsh]

And it is not bad to take in this stuff, but the sheer importance imbued upon it is maddening

[scenic elm]

well mostly because allot of media turned history in to stories

More or less related to the accual events in question

• all the alt history stuff that turns history in to literal video game lore

[solid hinge]

I feel like even if they captured the Caucasus they wouldn’t have held on long enough/still been able to fix the issue of how much oil Germany was consuming

[scenic elm]

even if the germans had oil they would run out of soldiers and other war material before the allies would

• they would just hold out long enoght to be the first nation to be nuked

[solid hinge]

true

The hoi4 mod TNO has, interesting lore

Somehow Germany makes the nuke first and bombs Pearl Harbor with it to force a us surrender

And operation sea lion apparently works

[scenic elm]

people who made it just wanted to create that setting and did not realy care if it was realistic for it to happen

it's fiction after all

[solid hinge]

Or HOI4s thousand week reich, the UK sues for peace with Germany after the fall of France but the US and UK still fight Japan

[solid hinge]

True, it’s within suspension of disbelief IMO, i just commented since you mentioned alt history stuff

[hasty marsh]

out of all of them this is at least the most plausible to me.

[solid hinge]

TNO and Kaiserreich are HOI4s more famous alt history mods, both have interesting lore albeit i imagine for you (since you seem really educated on history) you might find it more funny than anything else

[hasty marsh]

I do enjoy kaiserreich

[solid hinge]

Oh thats cool

[hasty marsh]

especially all the effort that goes into its world

[scenic elm]

honestly it would be cool if someone made a Non grand strategy game in that setting

[hasty marsh]

Id play the shit out of an FPS in kaiserreich

[scenic elm]

Second american civil war Battle royale mode

[solid hinge]

TNO might be interesting in an FPS setting since Russia basically Balkanizes into 300 warlord states, stuff in Africa, Europe, Asia, etc

[scenic elm]

[solid hinge]

Would also be interesting to explore an alternative history Cold War Germany and japans militaries

[solar nexus]

Battlefield cold war

[hasty marsh]

TNO is just kind of funny to me. Id call it the "funny schizo mod" but then there the actual funny schizo mod where you make the finno-egyptian union

[scenic elm]

Battlefield kaiserreich

[solar nexus]

There should be a battlefield game set in the cold war. Where the factions would the nato members and the Eastern bloc and other communist states like Vietnam

[solid hinge]

TNO has some stuff I just hate, like burgundy, it just makes no sense to me

[solar nexus]

Battlefield should have a game set in 70s and 80s

[hasty marsh]

ill be honest, "cold war battlefield" is just really uninspired to me.

[solar nexus]

Battlefield Vietnam

[solid hinge]

If there was a battlefield inspired by black ops Cold War or black ops 1 that shit would be fire

[solar nexus]

Imagine large scale battles on bay of pigs

[solid hinge]

Modern WW3 is super cliche but i really need that as well

[scenic elm]

the by weekly Battlefield cold war mention

lol

[solid hinge]

[solar nexus]

Cause the next battlefield is gonna continue where bf2042 left off

[hasty marsh]

its just people going through the US high school history curriculum and half the time they dont even know what a CW bf would look like

[solar nexus]

Cold war had indirect battles.

[hasty marsh]

"oh we had ww1 and ww2 then the next should be the cold war" and then the critical thought stops there

[scenic elm]

it's ether : What if cod black ops or cold war gone hot or vietnam

[solid hinge]

It’d have to be a gone hot scenario cause otherwise our options would be a bunch of random and really spread out events

[solar nexus]

They can include locations like Angola, southeast Asia, Cuba, possibly Alaska as alternative history

They can include the soviet union locations

[scenic elm]

don't get me wrong i do like the idea but it's the most common thing people say they would like to see in the next Battlefield game be a cold war one

[hasty marsh]

not a bad idea just uninspired

[solar nexus]

Cod cw did pretty well

Battlefield could do better with cold war as there are so many materials related to cold war

[scenic elm]

but to be fair if 83' is accualy coming back in to development, every person that wanted a cold war FPS game will be happy with that game

[hasty marsh]

god I hope this game plays like Ro2

[scenic elm]

i mean it was made by antimater games so the devs of RS2

[solar nexus]

They can include espionage missions as single player

[scenic elm]

and the new studio is made up by ex antimater games devs

[scenic elm]

it's a multiplayer only game

[hasty marsh]

Yeah. But Ro2 just hits so much better than Rs2. Feels weightier in a way

[solar nexus]

Can Add operation rolling thunder in bf cw

[hasty marsh]

🥱

[scenic elm]

true, but i understand why they made it like that in RS2

and based off the old stuff they shown of it was meant to be RS2 2.0 pretty much

[solar nexus]

Their critical thought stopped after bf5 and started to copy from other games in bf2042

[hasty marsh]

I mean part of it is just the setting. you got body armor and intermediate rounds. But I do hope stuff like the aggressive suppression or zooming in when breathing in returns

[scenic elm]

i just realized

the antimater games youtube channel just got renamed

to the new name of the studio

[solar nexus]

Didn't the studio get shutdown?

They cancelled a single player game too

[scenic elm]

yes but all the old devs got back together and got the rights to 83' back

aparently the studio is even in the same building as the old one

they preaty much just rebranded

[solar nexus]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1186430/IGI_Origins/

This one still exists

[scenic elm]

IGI seems to be canceled for good

[exotic moon]

is worth to buy bf3 rn?

[scenic elm]

did you play it before ?

[exotic moon]

never

only bf4,bf1,bf5,2042

[pale dagger]

Who down to play bfv

[exotic moon]

no longer

[hasty marsh]

bf3 has few servers and is effectively a worse version of bf4

[junior torrent]

If you're on PC, and would like to optionally have AI bots, install VU for the game

I suggest it

[exotic moon]

now only bf4, its great

[exotic moon]

i am

[junior torrent]

Then do it

Buy.the premium edition

[pale dagger]

??

[junior torrent]

And install VU

[scenic elm]

BF3 is BF4 but older and allot more janky

• battle log is terrible

[pale dagger]

I’ve been trying to find teammates to play bfv that have mics

[exotic moon]

yeah i heard bf4 is like better copy of 3

[junior torrent]

Although 4 still doesn't have what 3 do

[scenic elm]

if it was just the game being a worse version of 4 then it would be fine

but battle log makes it allot worse

when it works it's not too bad

but if you get issues then it's pain

[exotic moon]

bf3 plays 150people its pretty dead

[junior torrent]

Might as well play with bots only

[scenic elm]

nah there is a decent players base in EU

[junior torrent]

That's the only way

[scenic elm]

there is around 4 to 5 full servers in EU

[hasty marsh]

ftr that is only on steam and doesnt count origin

[exotic moon]

• yeah

[junior torrent]

I'll give you a dollar if those server have dlc maps and different game mode

[scenic elm]

they have diffrent gamemodes and dlc maps

[junior torrent]

Prove it

[exotic moon]

okay thx, maybe i will buy it idk :D 2e :D

[junior torrent]

Show me squad deathmatch

[scenic elm]

there is a populated ukranian server

24/7 strike at karkand

[junior torrent]

Gun master

[scenic elm]

that too

but both are not full at all times

[junior torrent]

Rush on armored strike maps

[scenic elm]

just at peek hours

[junior torrent]

Show me that too

[scenic elm]

yes sir

i literly got all achivments legit this year

lol

unless this gamemodes where not availeble how could i unlock them ?

[junior torrent]

Achievements on all game modes?

[exotic moon]

I wonder if next bf would be great like 4, and i guess it could be set in vietnam time, bcs ww1,ww2, modern are already, what do you think guys

[junior torrent]

Would be nice to have the game include AI bots and solo mode

[scenic elm]

yes i played every gamemode except air superiority but you don't even need the ribbon for it to get the decorated Achievement

[junior torrent]

I'm gonna guess some achievements are staged