battlefield-6

[amber belfry]

i like unbound more ngl, just turn off the effects

[past jasper]

hot pursuit is a gameplay loop that hasnt been back for a while and people in general liked it

[distant chasm]

I dont get why they dont rotate the different styles in the nfs games back then

[cursive ridge]

The diehards want Most Wanted/Carbon mechanics back. Sprint. Canyon duels. Open world exploration. Race Wars.

[past jasper]

because overall nfs has always been in an identity crisis since 2010s

[cursive ridge]

Autolog is dead.

[amber belfry]

nfs payback was overhated

[distant chasm]

Sprint? Thats like everywhere in the racing genre bro

[devout horizon]

hardline gun play is different ,i only played during the open beta but you could immediately feel the difference, it was a copy paste of bf4, similar maybe but they changed it

[past jasper]

die hards want nothing but mw05

[distant chasm]

bro

[devout horizon]

it also had a slightl visual difference

[distant chasm]

u kidding me

[amber belfry]

hardlines campain is the best in the franchise ngl

[distant chasm]

open world exploration is like

Every game

[past jasper]

but ima be honest that mw05 is not a great game when viewed in a modern lens

its too grindy

[devout horizon]

burnout paradise going open world made me lose interest after coming from Revenge

[past jasper]

it gets very repetitive

[cursive ridge]

... you're still shooting guns with spread and locked classes. There are RPGs and vehicles.

[vague needle]

yo this new mode is free to play?
or do i ned ps plus?

[devout horizon]

ok, thats been battlefield since 1942?

[past jasper]

burnout paradise was fine imo

[distant chasm]

oh yea the amount of races u gotta do to be eligible to beat the blacklist member rn increases souch

[past jasper]

mw12:burnout was not fine though

[distant chasm]

I thought the most wanted 2012 way was cooler where you could do any event u want

but they are tied to the cars

[vague needle]

guys

[cursive ridge]

There is no difference in the gameplay loop. Name one gunplay difference in Hardline that's not involving the game modes.

[past jasper]

but that was basically rushed schedule which aligns with literally most of the nfs problems ever

[distant chasm]

but that comes at the cost of being unable to make your car your own art

[tropic cloak]

need good people to play survie with me and my bro

[past jasper]

the problem is that people want vehicle customization

but people also want the forza horizon car list

[distant chasm]

I liked the progression in mw2012, its not something id want to be put in every game, but it was really good

[past jasper]

which is never gonna happen

because licencing cars, cost money

[distant chasm]

Heat has the best progression

[past jasper]

licencing parts, cost money

[merry bolt]

They aren't doing that to begin with.. so what sense does it make to bring it up now?

[distant chasm]

Only thing sucks is Daytime didnt go as hard as Night did

[past jasper]

and modelling the damn thing cost time and money

[distant chasm]

Like why doesnt Daytime look like a big racing festival

[past jasper]

because all people want is bf3.5 apparently

[devout horizon]

all the hardline guns are done from the ground up, there are a few crossover weapons between 4 and hardline but they all behave differently, not massively but they arent the same

what does gameplay loop matter here

why mention it?

[distant chasm]

That was about need for speed though

[devout horizon]

we have been pl;aying the same gameplay loop since 1942

[past jasper]

which i can tell you bf4 was a fine game for the era of early 10s

[astral bough]

Season 3, when?

[past jasper]

but again, viewed in a modern lens

its rather flawed

[merry bolt]

I just want what was shown when Battlefield 6 was revealed.. full progression and 60hz no limits in portal.. plus everything else and more content.

[distant chasm]

Ugh man MAY-JUNE

[cursive ridge]

Because I am telling you right now there is not enough of a distinction besides the "aesthetic" and a few game modes to justify it NOT being associated with Battlefield.

[devout horizon]

4 is still better than 6, it had more content by now than 6 does

[cursive ridge]

Oh no ... "different guns, and that's different!"

[past jasper]

well boy too bad that bf "vets" complained about people gaining progression in portal and they basically force removed that

[cursive ridge]

Mid-May I presume.

[distant chasm]

If you know how games do live service, you'd know when new seasons release

[cursive ridge]

Now we know the pattern. Three months.

[merry bolt]

I never complained.. I was and still hope for portal to get fixed.

[distant chasm]

Yeah i dont think there is gonna be a delay

[past jasper]

too bad you werent the vocal ones

[distant chasm]

Mid-May is crazy, Forza 6 comes out

Ah well April is also pretty crazy

Pragmata and Saros

[devout horizon]

i dont think they removed progression from portal bc ppl complained, they did it bc it was impossible to host ur own servers bc everyone was using every server to just farm unlocks bc the progression system was broken, and even now its still not great

[past jasper]

because apparently the bf "vets" that are 40 year old needs a carrot dangling in front of them to play the game, meanwhile saying peoples attention spam is too short is nothing short of great irony

[devout horizon]

dice created the problem and ppl used portal as a solution, then they removed the solution and very very slowly started fixing the problem

[past jasper]

imo if the "vets" never complained it really wouldnt be a problem

[devout horizon]

progression might be solved before the years out lol

[past jasper]

but people being extremely vocal is the entire problem

[cursive ridge]

Okay, well what are you excited for the most? Golmud? New guns? New attachments?

[devout horizon]

you straight up couldnt use portal, there was almost no chance to host ur own experiences, it was broken

[past jasper]

also they shouldntve made the progression such arse to begin with, but thats aside the original point

[past jasper]

that was partly because they made the persistent server toggle so up close and personal

and people that made their trash tier experience all ticked it when first hosting it clogging up the entire drain

[cursive ridge]

Well ... they're making assets from scratch. Guns, map elements, everything!

[past jasper]

it wasnt that much of an issue in 2042 because you needed to comb through settings to find persistent servers

[cursive ridge]

They could've done the smart thing, taken a few guns, upped the polygon/texture counts, And then brought them back.

[past jasper]

but 2042 also neutered the xp gaining

[merry bolt]

It's difficult to be vocal unless your a popular content creator like Jackfrags.. even then it's a stretch to get anyone to listen.

[cursive ridge]

These people had to start FROM SCRATCH

[past jasper]

thats not how modeling work but ok

there isnt a magic "enhance" button

you in general, need to make higher res model, from scratch

[distant chasm]

Golmud mainly

[cursive ridge]

What, no recycle assets? Subdivisions? Dice is one of the four studios still working on the game, and they came from 2042.

[distant chasm]

I kinda thought Operations would be a Season 3 thing

I didnt connect that Operation Augur is an Operation™

[cursive ridge]

They LITERALLY brought back the M5A3, and the VHS, which was in 2042. They can't add a few extra edges on that mesh wireframe, or get their art guys to paint a little more dust on that textures?

[distant chasm]

if anything, im kinda hoping they make Operations of the seasonal maps at the final phase

[past jasper]

thats not how it works

[distant chasm]

And then eventually make an Operations gamemode

[past jasper]

first of all, m5a3 is not in this game

[upbeat spade]

Wow you guys are here a lot

[distant chasm]

(also Operations on Base Game maps)

[upbeat spade]

[past jasper]

and no m250 is not avalancys

[cursive ridge]

TF you mean that's not how it works? They can't afford to be lazy with certain guns?

[past jasper]

because that is literally not how 3d modelling works

[cursive ridge]

They spent time bringing back the M416, so they can't adjust the existing meshes? Insert Edge Loops? Add edge/faces?

[past jasper]

2042 assets are different than older ones

but they still need to redo animations and stuff

and i have heard that geometry calculations are different in bf6 than 2042

so that might not even work

[quartz karma]

did you get banned from the other server

i havent seen you talk in here for ages

[cursive ridge]

Well ... if that's the case then there should be an answer as to why there are fewer guns per Season.

[distant chasm]

theres another server?

[upbeat spade]

What server? I'm only in this one and a friend server. And league of legends server

[distant chasm]

aw man i gotta sleep

[distant chasm]

why yall gotta be interesting

[quartz karma]

of course you play league

[distant chasm]

oh different game server

[upbeat spade]

Masters for a reason

[slow rapids]

league of legends 🥀

[past jasper]

i heard that iwo jima in 2042 was an attempt to backport maps, and it was so much of a hassle that dice is just gonna remake things from scratch

[quartz karma]

explains everything

[distant chasm]

i bet that has shortened your lifespan

[winged anchor]

hey is there a new vehicle in bf6?

[distant chasm]

yea soon

Its a truck

[upbeat spade]

I type in my work chat, "gg go next"

[past jasper]

tomorrow iirc

[distant chasm]

im one of the greatest truck drivers of all time

[astral bough]

It’s for Season 3 I think

[past jasper]

real

[amber belfry]

vaworant

[past jasper]

do you run down mid at work?

[distant chasm]

accidentally goes into the truck killing bridge

[winged anchor]

like just a normal truck or something interesting

[devout horizon]

older maps wont play properly in this game or even 2042 without a lot of alteration, previous maps were made with the weapon balance of previous games and even BF2, there were visual limitations like render distance that factored into map design

[winged anchor]

is there footage of it i mean

[past jasper]

its the bus but nato

[inner pulsar]

Guys

[distant chasm]

uh its an armored transport with a machine gun

[fiery oxide]

Wdym fewer guns per seasons?

[slow rapids]

it wasn't really a backport, from what I can tell, it looks like they were testing the tech for the firestorm port - but a lot of the map had to be remade from scratch

[quartz karma]

bus 🥀

[inner pulsar]

I’ve become a fan of chillies sniping

[distant chasm]

hold on that dont sound right

[inner pulsar]

Ghillie

[distant chasm]

bus?

[past jasper]

i will keep calling it the bus btw

and imo they should add 2 seats that dont have guns

[distant chasm]

like ambatubus?

[sweet anchor]

Has anyone seen that one image of the British squad with nvgs one has a cap on I wish we had those guys in game

[past jasper]

the armored transport

of which i just call it the bus

[inner pulsar]

ADD A FOREST MAP

[quartz karma]

i -w-w-wwi-l-ll ke-eep ca-alling it th-th-the b-bus b-b-by-theway

[winged anchor]

damn just pretty much the same as all over vehicles

🙁

[distant chasm]

Uh hold idk the pax variant of it tbh

[past jasper]

the one in the game is the pax version

or i got it the wrong way idk

[past jasper]

hey i just stutter ocasionally ok

[cursive ridge]

3 guns for the entirety of ONE, THREE-MONTH season.

Compare that to our nearest rivals, which offer at least 4-5 guns per 2 MONTH season, plus custom attachments for individual guns

[past jasper]

ocasionally being every 5 seconds

[distant chasm]

Is it the traverser mark 2?

[past jasper]

yes

[fiery oxide]

Are you not aware how many guns and attachments we got this season?

[slow rapids]

i can never not call that thing the marauder since that was the original name for it

[upbeat spade]

When are we getting a riot shield

[tired flower]

We have been enforcing bus propaganda

[past jasper]

mmm top gear

[distant chasm]

bro do u guys have a picture of this bus

man why is embeds limited here

[past jasper]

you cant stop me

[quartz karma]

blackbeard in battlefield 6 would not be fun

[past jasper]

isnt blackbeard the one with gunshield

that breaks in one shot

(or with 600 hp depends on whcih patch you were on)

[distant chasm]

Broooo idk the bus

[slow rapids]

the gunshield was removed awhile back

[winged anchor]

is there a picture of the new vehicle?

[past jasper]

you can tell when did i last play siege

[upbeat spade]

I feel like they should bring back mckay grapple hook

[past jasper]

when i last played a amount of siege you still needed to buy operators with credits

[quartz karma]

thats still a thing

[past jasper]

is it

[distant chasm]

Bro whats the new vehicle

[slow rapids]

bus

[past jasper]

the bus but nato

[distant chasm]

I cannot find it

[past jasper]

its out tomorrow

[slow rapids]

🚌

[distant chasm]

whats the pax bus look like

[slow rapids]

bus shaped

[past jasper]

looks like the bus in game

[distant chasm]

I thought Nato had it already

[upbeat spade]

Can I sit in the front of the bus

[past jasper]

yes

but they are making it distinct versions

[slow rapids]

you can drive the bus

[past jasper]

for nato and pax

[distant chasm]

Ah

[heady gale]

The one who thinks

[past jasper]

instead of both being the same

[distant chasm]

Its the traverser mark 2?

[slow rapids]

i am this

[past jasper]

yes

[distant chasm]

Oh

Hold on

[winged anchor]

L

[distant chasm]

Who attacks Cairo in Breakthrough

[upbeat spade]

Can I put on Katy Perry

[heady gale]

Let’s go my KD went up by another point!

[past jasper]

nato iirc

[slow rapids]

the attackers

[past jasper]

for most base maps it were nato attackers

[distant chasm]

Ok thats where i remember getting wins with the traverser

[past jasper]

i think out of all base maps there were only 1 pax attacker

[distant chasm]

so they are basically changing that bus

[quartz karma]

carried ngl

[distant chasm]

with a sandbus

[slow rapids]

sandbus 💀

[distant chasm]

This PAX bus

[quartz karma]

@past jasper this is the new term for it

bus and sandbus

[past jasper]

acknoledged

[distant chasm]

No one is on the gunner position

So I always drive the bus

And then have to gun

Super fun

[slow rapids]

its honestly unreasonably fast, too lmao

[past jasper]

is the worm in dune a bus?

[distant chasm]

I think I just rushed the final point with a max occupancy bus and it won the entire game

[slow rapids]

Eastwood battle bus is such vibes

[cursive ridge]

VHS, M121, and CZ, a few lasers and flashlights.

BO7 S3 - ISR, VST, STRIDER 300, 1911, SIREN (season reloaded) plus 9 weekly challenges (masterkey shotgun for sniper rifle, caliber conversions, full auto for a pistol, a HARPOON attachment, pdw style short barrels and stocks for LMGs, OBREZ, plus TWO launch weapon specific attachments - suppressed barrels and caliber conversions, and a foregrip that reduces recoil and spread, AND A 3D PRINTING AUTOLOADER MAGAZINE THAT TOPS OFF BULLETS)

[past jasper]

also unreasonably armored

[distant chasm]

Thats why I really like driving it ngl

Handles so well

Its like im playing Forza

[past jasper]

too bad it got no boost

[distant chasm]

its prolly gonna be disorienting for the gunner if it had one

[past jasper]

also when can we get yellow nitrous on the non armored transport

[heady gale]

Real

[distant chasm]

I kind of rely on teammates spawning on the gunner for the bus to start winning

[past jasper]

and can we get engine swap options on the non armored transport

[rose inlet]

Are we getting any new pistols?

[distant chasm]

Engine Swap!?!?!?

[slow rapids]

we need a Bolte again

[fiery oxide]

Good on you for missing stuff

[distant chasm]

You gonna put the engine of a Koniesegg on it?

[past jasper]

yes

i was thinking of LS but sure

[distant chasm]

Oh its called a koeniggsegg

Koenigsegg

[past jasper]

whatever

[slow rapids]

nah you gotta K-swap the sandbus

[distant chasm]

I hate europeans for making supercars

[past jasper]

there would be a distinct lack of torque but ok

[upbeat spade]

You're so cultured

[past jasper]

actually 6 rotar swap

[cursive ridge]

elaborate

[past jasper]

there isnt apex seal and oil burning issues in bf6 so we should add it

[fiery oxide]

No thanks

[slow rapids]

my friend and i used to call the Bolte from 2042 a Honda Civic, since it drove like garbage and nobody wanted it

[past jasper]

clearly didnt play it at launch

as it was the terrorizer

[cursive ridge]

fine, but I basically covered all the relevant DLC content that there is to matter

[quartz karma]

woah watch your mouth

[past jasper]

right now it would be more fitting to call it honda prelude

[slow rapids]

I only really used it in the last year or so, we realised the 50mm was a 1-hit at any range and could basically just be used as a sniper and farm kills (and could be spawned on Stadium TDM and run riot which was hilarious)

[past jasper]

yeah at launch

it had the original 30mm

which stuns your movement when you get hit

good explosion radius

and fast fire rate

[slow rapids]

ground attack heli, basically

[past jasper]

oh and it occupies the same slot as standard recon vehicle

[fiery oxide]

They need to give us back flying hovercrafts when they release the naval maps

[past jasper]

so it competes with LATV4 and hovercraft

though imo LATV4 at launch could reasonable compete with bolte

if one have it fully upgraded

which most didnt

[distant chasm]

yo are those real

[past jasper]

50mm LATV is still fun af

[tired flower]

I want boats so bad

[past jasper]

was*

me when the naval season brings back hover craft

that would be so real

[distant chasm]

Why were hovercrafts on

nvm they actually spawned everywhere iirc

[fiery oxide]

Would be a mistake not bringing them back

[past jasper]

include the wall climb

obv

[distant chasm]

technically

[past jasper]

so when we see a roof camper we can just hovercraft up the roof

[distant chasm]

theres no skyscrapers anymore

[past jasper]

i dont care

i want to go up a wall

[distant chasm]

i truly want to see a BF6 version of all the original 2042 maps

idk why but in 2042, all of those maps were suspiciously clean

BF6 maps kinda feel detailed af

like that first E3 demo of The Division where theres just a lot of stuff on the ground and in tables

[fiery oxide]

Constrained by old gen consoles

Is partly why they were lacking detail

[distant chasm]

huh

[tall zinc]

bigger maps means thinks like LOD need to be reduced for optimal performance, it's a dual prong thing with the old consoles and their size, relatively speaking

[distant chasm]

yea that kinda makes sense ngl

Battlefield 1 maps are kinda devoid of personal artifacts a villager mighta left over

[abstract dragon]

100 EUROS GAME BF6. WHEN WILL THEY DEAL WITH THE CHEATERS? IT'S FULL OF WALHACKERS!! THE GAME IS UNENJOYABLE!! I'M SORRY I PAID MONEY FOR THIS SHIT!!!

[distant chasm]

And any buildings in there dont have a lot of small objects in

[upbeat spade]

Okay

[distant chasm]

Amiens is the one I really think of, any building u go in, is empty

[pure elk]

Sounds like you should play cod instead

[distant chasm]

I dont really remember those lack of details though

[pure elk]

Nobody cheating

[distant chasm]

Like Battlefield 1 excelled in natural terrain instead

when I played Battlefield 4 for a very small amount of time, walking around Shanghai, it kinda felt very empty

[heady gale]

Nobody cheating

[fiery oxide]

Cause it is empty

[abstract dragon]

NOBODY HAS AHAM... ONLY 90% OF THE PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

[fiery oxide]

For sure

[quartz karma]

man i wish this place didnt have 400 moderators ready to insta mute me for 3 weeks

[fiery oxide]

Anyone that kills you is cheating

I 100% believe

[tired flower]

True

[pure elk]

insert standard game is 97% cheat free and they are mostly on REDSEC response

[upbeat spade]

Only cheaters are in redsec just bc you can make a brand new account if you get banned

[tall zinc]

they definitely exist, I've seen them in MP, but they are rare

[slow rapids]

a ham?

[tall zinc]

redsec obviously more since it's free to play

[pure elk]

You are right. I don’t have a ham. I prefer turkey

[upbeat spade]

DMA users but that's like 1% that do

[distant chasm]

Thank you thank you

[tired flower]

Me when I forget that most of recon gadgets exist

[fiery oxide]

I've had 3 100% confirmed cheaters

All 3 banned

[distant chasm]

Me when Jisoo Paik comes in the room

[heady gale]

I’ve yet to see a cheater in multiplier in almost 400 hours

[pure elk]

The only cheater I have ever seen has a 7.35kd

[tired flower]

Oddly specific

[distant chasm]

that anticheat is same across all battlefield games on steam rn right?

[pure elk]

No

[fiery oxide]

Probably not

[distant chasm]

really? I seen the same window pop up for Battlefield 1 and V

[pure elk]

Bf6 has kernel level secure boot anti cheat. None of the previous games do

[distant chasm]

and 2042

oh

So the surface level anticheat they just imported to the older games

[fiery oxide]

It is still javelin though no?

[distant chasm]

Yea its Javelin

[abstract dragon]

THEY ARE ALSO PRESENT IN MULTIPLAYER!!! THEY ARE NOT AIMBOTS BUT WALHAK OR RADAR!!! HITREG IS A BIG SHIT

[pure elk]

It’s still javelin yes.

[distant chasm]

When I played BF1 before 2024, I remember the anticheat launched faster

[pure elk]

*wall hack

[fiery oxide]

We totally believe you

[distant chasm]

its prolly just hitreg screwing u man

i got screwed before

uh

[heady gale]

That’s my guy

[distant chasm]

wait for the next season? trollface

cause like

its only this season that hitreg got fixed and i started having 67031-000.32 matches

[devout horizon]

BF4 uses punkbuster, 2 and 3

it was messy but it was better than kernal level stuff

still dont like the idea of that

[fiery oxide]

You mean bf 4 uses nothing

[distant chasm]

that is to say, I have 67301 kills and 0.00032 deaths as I self revived ;]

[fiery oxide]

Cause that's basically what punkbuster is these days

[pure elk]

I think the secure boot is better at detection but it’s definitely more buggy

[devout horizon]

not like people are going to be cheating in bf4 anyway

[distant chasm]

I mean they still might for an ego boost

[tired flower]

People will cheat if game has multiplayer no matter the game

[distant chasm]

no wait chinese servers dont exist

[devout horizon]

love how w/e is going on in MW3 they cant detect people using walls or full auto RPGs either

search and destroy is unplayable

[distant chasm]

honestly i cant really tell a hacker in these old battlefields

like are they just stealth hacking

[devout horizon]

you used to see the odd one in bf2, dont remember seeing many in 3 or 4

[distant chasm]

are there even rage hackers that just shoot into the sky and kill everyone

[fiery oxide]

Used to be a fair few in bf1 and 5

[distant chasm]

yea its the one in BF1 that i was trying to remember

[eager kelp]

who had the brilliant idea in dice to give mortars unlimited ammo????? lol

[distant chasm]

but also I did shoot a guy in that game recently and it took a realistic amount of bullets

[tired flower]

Great question

[distant chasm]

honestly, my time in battlefield 1 prolly had no hackers

[distant chasm]

tbh even if it did, they uh just restock it

but yea in bf1 it took a long time to restock your mortar ammo

[tired flower]

ISN'T IT A FUN MECHANIC

😵

[devout horizon]

id rather mortars be annoying but usuable rather than have a dead gadget, they are only good on rush/break through anyway

u never see them in CQ which is the main mode

[distant chasm]

acutally

[tired flower]

Brother

[fiery oxide]

I see a few in bf6 on conquest

[distant chasm]

i got kicked from servers using mortars in bf1 so i never really got to see how bad they are

[tired flower]

I would have kicked you too

[fiery oxide]

Mainly because they have some insane range to em

[distant chasm]

i missed all the time on them bro

[tired flower]

[quartz karma]

well i mean 4 stacking with revive bots is basically cheating

[devout horizon]

that was the nice part about dedicated servers, you could have curated experiences like that, Metro and Lockers were good when the server had explosives disabled

[distant chasm]

the mortars were kinda just set dressing in most servers if they were allowed

[tired flower]

pipe down or I'll delete Cairo

[devout horizon]

also limit stuff too, like amount of snipers, could probably limit deployed mortars too

[upbeat spade]

Mortars are so fun hehe

[tired flower]

Or maybe..... don't let them be placed in HQ

[distant chasm]

like i think in that one apocalypse map, mortars never reached into the trenches

[devout horizon]

if you cant place them in uncaps then they are dead on attacking sides

[distant chasm]

so they were allowed

and they pretty much made that map super scary to play in

[devout horizon]

does BF6 have any maps where 1 side doesnt have an uncap?

[fiery oxide]

That's a crazy idea

[devout horizon]

in any mode

[topaz orchid]

yeah they need to reverse that, figure something else out to make them usful

[slow rapids]

me when attackers get mortared relentlessly

[distant chasm]

in the sense, that it felt like a true horror map

[slow rapids]

if MP-APS was better mortars wouldnt be as much of a problem as they would just be a skill issue

If you're getting railed by mortars, run a gibby dome and call it a day

[upbeat spade]

What's wrong with this

[calm condor]

everything

what

nah

[upbeat spade]

Easy rage bait

[calm condor]

this is f teir ragebait

[topaz orchid]

it's not fun and has ruined breakthrough by itself?

[calm condor]

mff

damn

[quartz karma]

1/10 rage bait

[tired flower]

🪤

[slow rapids]

bait used to be believable

[distant chasm]

can mp aps just eat mortars and not die from it

[calm condor]

im so ashamed

[upbeat spade]

I mean I'm in breakthrough rn mortaring

[distant chasm]

We get the cool fireworks

[tired flower]

if only

[calm condor]

the visuals of 9 mortars in the sky is v cool.

[upbeat spade]

Aren't you a minor. Did your mom make your EA account

[slow rapids]

It just needs to be the same radius as the splash radius of the mortar so it cant be blown up by the AoE lmao

[tired flower]

And it would be nice if it also looked straight up

[tall zinc]

they need to be careful with MP aps but yeah it should nullify mortars

[upbeat spade]

Woah woah woah. Hostility for using something that's in the game

[slow rapids]

it does iirc, no way it doesnt

[distant chasm]

bro hes 58 years old and has 14 kids

[tall zinc]

yeah it does look up

[upbeat spade]

He still doesn't qualify for EBT I think

[turbid path]

14 seems low

[quartz karma]

this guy gets it

[topaz orchid]

big unc

[tired flower]

I thought it only worked within the 3 blue zones when you place it down?

[tall zinc]

nah

it's a 180 degree cone detection

[quartz karma]

yea i might have more that i dont know about

[distant chasm]

Ah

You are Heihachi Mishima

[upbeat spade]

How does this relate to bf6

[turbid path]

The Fonz

[tired flower]

Well yeah but that still leaves the spot right dead center of the MPS where it won't detect the mortar

[distant chasm]

well he did sign up for an EA account

[cursive ridge]

I rotate between games

[upbeat spade]

EA Sports, it's in the game

[cursive ridge]

Point is ... there's a reason why people want more maps and guns per season

[distant chasm]

ah you should try resizing between games

[upbeat spade]

Alr, I'm hopping off BF6 and finished mortaring for now. You guys can que breakthrough

[topaz orchid]

thank god

[slow rapids]

we dont talk about rush being completely ruined by the mortar stuff lmao

[topaz orchid]

I think if they can get up to 4 maps a season even if it's two remakes they game will be in a great spot

[slow rapids]

4 dudes mortaring the MCOM makes it literally untakeable

[upbeat spade]

Can't beat em. Join em

[distant chasm]

Well there are always 2

[past jasper]

remake takes about the same time i think

[slow rapids]

theres always like 6 dudes mortaring 🥀

[tired flower]

As if rush wasn't bad enough on maps like Liberation Peak where the attacking team gets an MBT and IFV and the defenders get nothing

[past jasper]

according to what ive heard

[topaz orchid]

if that's true one remake

[distant chasm]

I checked the battlefield wiki and it said some weird maps in bf6

[tall zinc]

i admit I was one of these 2 months ago to test how powerful the mortar is when everybody said it was bad

[distant chasm]

Market is in Battlefield 6?

And the city map from Hardline

And then well you got Golmud naturaly

[slow rapids]

you sicken me

[tall zinc]

[tired flower]

[upbeat spade]

Well? Was it powerful?

[slow rapids]

I dont think its been publicly stated

[distant chasm]

3 maps is da best

ngl because they got a team actively reworking maps in 2042, its prolly why we only one map per season

[slow rapids]

this was explicitly stated why 2042 had a low map count

[tall zinc]

out of 10 matches we won 8, also coincidentally after I talked about it in here 3 weeks later they announced the changes so.. who knows

[topaz orchid]

three maps fiiiiiiine, 4 would make a lot of people happy

[distant chasm]

yea whats just rlly funny to me when they finished reworking all the maps, they put 2 maps and guess what! The 2nd map was the stadium

[upbeat spade]

So only 8 out of 10? I think mortars need another buff

[tall zinc]

surely

[upbeat spade]

Not impactful enough

[slow rapids]

im almost certain that Contaminated is a scrapped 2042 map that they up-fit with BF6 assets

[amber belfry]

eh i doubt it

[distant chasm]

yea

[topaz orchid]

It'd be twice the size then haha

[distant chasm]

u can easily make that claim anywhere

[amber belfry]

if it was it was reworked so extensively it is unreconizable

[tall zinc]

well

[slow rapids]

I mean not really? thinking of map size like Reclaimed from 2042, its about the same

[amber belfry]

maybe blackwell is a 2042 leftover certainly plays like one

[distant chasm]

Oh Monte Grappa was just a Battlefield 4 map reworked

[tall zinc]

those with keen eyes will notice it resembles exposure in terms of design fairly closely

so who knows

[amber belfry]

it misses the big cliff do

[distant chasm]

i havent played this in conquest yet, is the part with the many oil refineries, accessible?

[tall zinc]

nope

[upbeat spade]

Hehehe how to make more moneys and keep happy while cutting more costs

[tall zinc]

the big cliff, is off the map

[amber belfry]

it could very well be used as a base tho, not uncommon in videogames at all

[tall zinc]

the area where the helis can access

[amber belfry]

ppl paint over other cosmetics / maps in other games all the time

[tall zinc]

yeah I don't think it's a clone copy design inspiration likely

[distant chasm]

oh yea

[tall zinc]

not a bad thing exposure is a good map

[amber belfry]

i didnt dig it

to open

[distant chasm]

weird that 2042 has 2 maps where a ship is in the middle of land

[devout horizon]

what have they done to the game where they cant release 4 maps every few months like bf3/4

[slow rapids]

Shipfield2042

actually no its Containerfield

[upbeat spade]

Game Freak would never do this

[past jasper]

discarded isnt really in the middle of land imo

[tall zinc]

the closer you look the more the resemblance is there though, tunnel in the centre of the mountain? in both, areas of access from flags? there, etc

[amber belfry]

i didnt like any of the ship maps ngl

[topaz orchid]

flying on exposure was fun af too

[tired flower]

Game development has changed a lot since then

[distant chasm]

yea same

[devout horizon]

changed for the worse then

[past jasper]

standard for maps are a lot higher now than before

[slow rapids]

I feel like a map like Orbital (after rework) would be pretty well recieved in BF6

[distant chasm]

u basically have just a big building in the middle and open everywhere

[past jasper]

standard for games in general is a lot higher now in fact

[amber belfry]

even after the rework its so barren compared to a 6 map

[distant chasm]

gotta be detailed as hell too bro

[past jasper]

orbital isnt really barren wdym

[amber belfry]

they really overcorrected at some points tho. zone 1 of empire state is so cluttered

[past jasper]

orbital is legit a pretty good map

[slow rapids]

i thought it was fine tbh, felt about the same as the golmud rework looks

[distant chasm]

A battlefield 6 map gotta look like a naughty dog level

[tall zinc]

I will go out on a limb and say I disliked orbital from a design pov but I think it'd be received well

[amber belfry]

i am #1 golmud hater in bf4.

[slow rapids]

its not my fav, but it was decent

[past jasper]

i mean hey i liked launch version of breakaway

[devout horizon]

DICE sets the bar for the maps quality, if they have gotten to the point where they cant make enough maps per season bc they are aiming for a certain standard, thats a development problem

[past jasper]

in breakthrough

[distant chasm]

idk what map I played the most in 2042

[amber belfry]

i really liked the vipe of the docking map. remember itn ot playing so well tho

[distant chasm]

ah i forgot

[topaz orchid]

but....... train

[slow rapids]

2042s maps werent terrible tbh, at least post-rework

[distant chasm]

its prolly the two city maps

[slow rapids]

Some worse than others

[tired flower]

Sold

[amber belfry]

so forgettable tho

[past jasper]

manifest?

[distant chasm]

Doha and South Korea Planned City Project

[tall zinc]

yeah kal etc are decent post rework

[slow rapids]

Id rather have decent maps that were forgettable than have maps that are known for being awful

[amber belfry]

yeah, i liked the way it looked, the dark skye

[past jasper]

manifest was a cool map but imo didnt play that well at launch

[amber belfry]

i must have not played them enough when reworked, i didnt like most ngl

[past jasper]

verticality was insane and zones didnt make much sense

[devout horizon]

this is tied to weapon balance, the guns are so accurate and muzzle velocities are so high ,they are forced to make every map feel cluttered to a degree, far more than older titles, otherwise it would feel impossible to move and everyone would be camping/crawling slowly through maps

[tall zinc]

now they still need to bring back alborz mountains and if they don't every map is bad but that's my bias

[amber belfry]

i liked the little village one thats kinda similar to cairo. the snowy zavod clone wasnt to bad either

[distant chasm]

Didnt play the Zavod 311 remake much either

[past jasper]

also vehicles are just screwed if someone with ntw was on crane

[slow rapids]

The only map I really disliked after the rework was the desert map

[devout horizon]

its funny i think the average muzzle velocity in 6 is nearly double 4s, at least 50% higher if not more

[distant chasm]

I did play the South african map plenty of time

Flashpoint?

[amber belfry]

which ones the south african map

[past jasper]

probably hourglass

[tall zinc]

hourglass

[slow rapids]

that

[distant chasm]

Thats in the middle east

[slow rapids]

idk why i forgot the name tbh

[distant chasm]

Qatar

[slow rapids]

3k hours btw

[amber belfry]

the only notable moment i have on hourglass is driving a hovercraft up a wall

[distant chasm]

ngl idk what to describe it bro

[devout horizon]

base weapon accuracy in while moving in 6 is also still more accurate than standing still in bf4

[slow rapids]

still gutted they didnt leave it in

[amber belfry]

200 hours at launch, well over 700 total (200 afk) lol

[past jasper]

again, numbers arent really comparible

[devout horizon]

yeah they are

[distant chasm]

its just another rocky barren map where you drive into a bunch of warehouses and scaffolding

[amber belfry]

nuh uh

[distant chasm]

thats it

thats the way id describe the map

[past jasper]

as i have reiterated over and over again, a number is only comparable with others of the same game

[topaz orchid]

breakthrough on Iwo Jima was the most fun I had on 2042

[past jasper]

you dont know what modifiers they pass through

[devout horizon]

they have had to change how maps are designed bc of the weapon balance, you can see it by playing any bf4 map then playing any bf6 map

[distant chasm]

I could easily remember El Alamein for being a superflat Minecraft world better than Flashpoint

[past jasper]

flash point is a pretty forgettable map imo

its not offensively bad

[devout horizon]

going from 2 to 3/4, draw distance was another factor too, sniping on Gulf of Oman off the aircraft carrier wasnt possible in bf2 but 3 had a much higher draw distance so you could

[past jasper]

but not that good either

[amber belfry]

they could port over the portal maps and i dont think many ppl would complain tho

[slow rapids]

Honestly maps like Haven, Reclaimed, Exposure, Orbital, etc. would probably be well liked in 6, for verticality, and being decently sized

[devout horizon]

i think it was gulf of oman anyway

[past jasper]

nah they should port launch spec breakaway

[distant chasm]

eh they have to remake those with updated assets

[slow rapids]

breh

[tall zinc]

spearhead + manifest aswell

[past jasper]

get them 8000m of annoyance back

[tired flower]

Red Sec map in regular MP when

[flint gorge]

wait can we talk about leaks here ???

[tall zinc]

nope

[distant chasm]

And the 1942 maps are pretty bad

[slow rapids]

ah good shout with spearhead, im not a huge fan of manifest but it might look a lot better in this engine

[slow rapids]

no lmao

[distant chasm]

Renewal has a super interesting idea

[flint gorge]

ok lol

[tall zinc]

yeah that's fair

[slow rapids]

Ganslinger has previously asked people not to

[distant chasm]

I kind of wanna see it reworked/remade in BF6

just one side being pure barren desert and the other side being agricultural

[slow rapids]

im like, decently sure that they tossed the 2042 game engine version and rolled a lot back to the BFV engine

[distant chasm]

just needs a lot of buildings

[tall zinc]

nah

[distant chasm]

Tbh yea 2042 removed a lot of features and those same features are in BFV and BF6

[tall zinc]

it's actually the same

*improved

[slow rapids]

BF6s engine looks uncannily like BFV in so many ways

[distant chasm]

but also

[slow rapids]

it looks nothing like the 2042 playdough

[distant chasm]

They are features you could prolly easily add

[tall zinc]

a lot of the stuff from 2042 they have ported to 6 just folks haven't noticed

[amber belfry]

alot of things look like t hey did in 2042 idk

[distant chasm]

Im not really sure if engines decide the graphics

[amber belfry]

i like how they are using the same form of third person animations that are 1 to 1 in first/third

[tall zinc]

it does but not in this way

[devout horizon]

bc they didnt bring bac Bocage

[distant chasm]

that was a stupid thought

[flint gorge]

it can have influence on it

[slow rapids]

saves a shitload of space for game files and optimization

[distant chasm]

I actually remember NFS Rivals looking like BF4

[amber belfry]

and they look good

[slow rapids]

NFS Rivals was literally a BF4 mod at a programming level lmfao

[flint gorge]

ngl it kinda of does lmao

[distant chasm]

and NFS Most Wanted 12 mysteriously did not look like BF4 cause it was clearly on a different engine

[amber belfry]

but yeah im happy they looked back at bf V and redid its movement kinda

[past jasper]

chameleon engine vs frostbite

[distant chasm]

RE Engine games also have character models that look super similar all across every game

[past jasper]

NFS the run was the first frostbite NFS

and other than mw12, all NFS afterwards are frostbite

[amber belfry]

engine doesnt mean everything tho, look at valorant vs any other UE5 game

[tall zinc]

dice are fairly open with the frostbite engine and they're open in the fact that 6 is a revised engine from 2042

[distant chasm]

Yea it kinda looked like BF3

[distant chasm]

is valorant made in UE5?

[slow rapids]

thats bec UE5 is open source and studios are given quite a bit of lateral ability heavily modify the engine

[amber belfry]

made in ue4?, ported to 5

[flint gorge]

wait if thats true cant we just port some 2042 maps here ??? (the good ones atleast)

[tall zinc]

nope

[flint gorge]

awww

[amber belfry]

what is stopping them? it sounds so easy

[distant chasm]

as far as im concerned UE5 is like pretty diverse in the way you could display the graphics cause its an open engine

[tall zinc]

revised, engine, it isn't the same

assets etc are still different

[flint gorge]

fair enough

[amber belfry]

more time than its worth for maps most people dont wanna see

2042 left a bad taste in many mouths

[flint gorge]

yeah ik that

[distant chasm]

So like THE FINALS kinda resembles a Battlefield game but then Tekken 8 looks like the CGI movies of Tekken 5

[amber belfry]

i am exited for the season 3 maps tho ngl

[past jasper]

also storage space

[distant chasm]

wdym? they are already here bro

[amber belfry]

the finals looks like playdough ngl

[amber belfry]

typo

[flint gorge]

Im waiting for Golmund

[past jasper]

i dont want bf6 to be 200GB of mess

[tall zinc]

unreal has a lot of problems on a structural level with things like nanite etc, the engine is mediocre~

it won't be fixed for a long time

[distant chasm]

yea but thats also kinda what mirrors edge looked like at the time

[amber belfry]

praying cdrp does some black magic

[tall zinc]

they are

[flint gorge]

wait what gig of storage are we approaching now ?

[tall zinc]

that's more DS

[distant chasm]

THE FINALS is basically if they threw Mirror's Edge and Battlefield into a mixer

[amber belfry]

nah mirrors edge catalyst isnt that close in looks

[past jasper]

i mean im talking exclusively on point of direct port

which wouldnt reuse much assets

[tall zinc]

oh

[heady gale]

Forgot the finals existed

[distant chasm]

oh i mean the OG game

[tall zinc]

yeah fair

[distant chasm]

As far as im concerned, there was a different team on Catalyst

[amber belfry]

it was terribly okay at launch. it wasnt bad but nothing special. dunno how it is now

[slow rapids]

makes sense bc its built by almost all ex DICE devs

[distant chasm]

Prolly explains why it went so much into the future for the design of the city

[devout horizon]

Finals looks pretty good wdym

[past jasper]

the finals gameplay is eh

[devout horizon]

gameplay is also pretty good

[distant chasm]

Its like the soulslike of multiplayer fps games

Its gotten so hard

[past jasper]

balancing is kinda a mess

[distant chasm]

Its so epic but yea its so hard to play

[devout horizon]

finals is also a fork of unreal i think, not the actual e ngine

[slow rapids]

you know what BF6 needs? a 725 double barrel >:)

[amber belfry]

50bmg 1911?

[heady gale]

On release when assault had wall hacks

[tall zinc]

many folks do not talk about it but embark were almost closed entirely after the finals

[devout horizon]

give me an xbow please and buff throwing knives and i might play again

[amber belfry]

kinda funny

[slow rapids]

there is so much stuff that almost made it into BF6 on release y'all dont even know how lucky we got. we almost had recon paik scan in this game

[distant chasm]

damn what did they do cause it took a while before they put out artv raiders

[devout horizon]

finals was a genious idea that gave us Arc Raiders

and its also good

[past jasper]

i mean i also remember the regenerating c4 in beta

[amber belfry]

arc discord token collecting larp raiders

[past jasper]

also wasnt paik scan literally recon ult in beta?

[tall zinc]

development of AR was a mess in the beginning, it was never intended to be a extraction shooter in the beginning, game was developed for roughly 6 years and nexon were getting impatient, they slimmed down the team and were told they had one more chance to release the game

[past jasper]

arc raiders is fine imo

[slow rapids]

did it make it to beta? builds are so blurred from pre alpha and alpha for me

[tall zinc]

this is according to Patrick Sunderland

[distant chasm]

yea but like

[devout horizon]

i miss having c4 on support as well as recon, not being able to resupply sucks

[past jasper]

for extraction shooter i honestly would much rather play marathon than arc raiders

[distant chasm]

they did announce it got reworked into an extraction shooter before THE FINALS came out right

[past jasper]

thats the point

[amber belfry]

i dont remember, i dont think so

[tall zinc]

no

it was after

[heady gale]

Balancing

[distant chasm]

i mean thats cause i rather explore in Arc but fight in Marathon

[tall zinc]

the game went through trials of alpha testing which was when it was properly changed over

[devout horizon]

bad balancing

[past jasper]

also bungie gunplay

[amber belfry]

im shocked arc raiders popped off, but alot of pve ppl like it. Cant wait for the 10 extraction shooters hoping to do the same

[distant chasm]

watching people fight is more entertaining than watching a guy explore and talk with strangers

[tall zinc]

it's a fun game so ye

does what it does well

all it comes down to

[amber belfry]

not my cup of tea. cant say its bad i just didnt like it that much

[past jasper]

arc raiders captrued the casual playerbase extrmeley well

[upbeat spade]

The squad just got on. No one que breakthrough. We are mortaring 😈

[past jasper]

which, fine.

[slow rapids]

Right place right time launch, it had basically the same launch as Apex did way back when

[distant chasm]

Im so happy it didn't die, meant that the OG DICE team doesnt get spread throughout different studios

[amber belfry]

hope you get banned

[distant chasm]

Like bro when Sony closed down their racing game studios

[past jasper]

i mean lots of og employees left to elsewhere as well

[amber belfry]

what is "og" dice? those are not the same people as 1942/vietnam/bf2

[devout horizon]

i dont think anything will top the Apex shadow drop

[distant chasm]

It meant no successor for Wipeout and Motorstorm could get ever made

[past jasper]

also that

[distant chasm]

So all the employees are in different places now

[past jasper]

not really

[distant chasm]

Ok they are the BEST DICE TEAM

[past jasper]

the reason a lot of games cant be made

[amber belfry]

i just wish motive got a greenlight for a new deadspace they nailed the remake

[devout horizon]

did anyone at dice work on the Desert Combat mod for 1942?

[past jasper]

are because of licence of titles

[tall zinc]

ironic that their second game high guard ended in the way it did tbh

[past jasper]

not because people are incapable to make it

[distant chasm]

I meant spiritual successors bro

[past jasper]

also a general interest plays a role

[amber belfry]

high guard is made by the same ppl as apex? isnt apex a respawn thing. Did respawn make high guard????

[slow rapids]

One Overwatch is already too many

[distant chasm]

bro its da employees

[tall zinc]

the leadership who launched apex were the ones in charge at the development studio for highguard

[amber belfry]

kek

[distant chasm]

and im pretty sure its not even the employees vince led away from infinity ward

[tall zinc]

the same respawn today arent the ones who launched the game

[past jasper]

in general, management are the one have the vision

[amber belfry]

can be said for most studios tbf

[past jasper]

and are the one responsible for the games success or failure

[tall zinc]

not exactly

it's literally not the same one

support for apex was moved to a entirely different studio

[amber belfry]

cool, didnt know that

[distant chasm]

hm so Respawn is mainly making the Jedi Survivor games

[tall zinc]

the core respawn team are focused on projects like star wars etc

[amber belfry]

alternate reality where apex flopped (we still wont get titanfall 3)

[distant chasm]

also thats where their writer for titanfall 2 went

[amber belfry]

the one from 2018 kinda slapped. didnt like the second one

[distant chasm]

i kinda wish they poached him for bf6

[amber belfry]

the 2018 one used the titanfall 2 wallrun animations

[past jasper]

fallen order?

[amber belfry]

forgot its name, thanks

[quartz karma]

😭

[distant chasm]

2023 was when Jedi Survivor came from

[tall zinc]

there wasn't a need, at the time anyway

[distant chasm]

Now its 2026

[tall zinc]

you can't get much better than the guy who founded halo

[distant chasm]

wow its a long time

[amber belfry]

the crapshow of the studio for the bf6 campain is fun to read up on

[upbeat spade]

Que up, we need targets to hit

[past jasper]

they got a bag of money and did basically nothing

[distant chasm]

Woah!

shoot I kinda forgot a studio similar to that

[amber belfry]

i do wonder how much of the og campain is in whatever motive cobbled together

[tall zinc]

we know the story is real since sirland replied to it directly

just wasn't reported on

[distant chasm]

You know i gotta sleep

Im going to sleep

[amber belfry]

same

night

[distant chasm]

Why are you people so good to talk to

[slow rapids]

The state it launched in is comical

[distant chasm]

I stayed up cause of u mfs

[amber belfry]

fully playable?

[past jasper]

go to sleep

[slow rapids]

Barely.

[distant chasm]

You people are so chill

[amber belfry]

i finished it second day of launch. 0 issues

[past jasper]

its good for your skin and health

[velvet cedar]

i cant believe operations mode is only an LTM

[slow rapids]

I had to reply several levels because of crashing, falling through the map, or completely broken objectives on day 1 lol

[velvet cedar]

thats so stupud

[amber belfry]

depends entirely on player feedback

[languid mural]

lucky you, my brother literally couldnt progress because the mission bugged and he was not willing to re-do it

[amber belfry]

i had none of this, like at all. i also redid every mission like 2 times for all collectables....

[distant chasm]

tbh its also cause we are discussing development stories which i always have been so interested in but i never really get to talk about in other games servers i play in like monster hunter and resident evil

[slow rapids]

I have a really good clip of falling through the subway tunnel after vaulting a jeep hood

[languid mural]

and I just refused to do it after one of my achievements didnt count, and then also theres the missing dialogue audio

[distant chasm]

Resident Evil just always talks about how they love to kiss Leon and Chris and Claire and Jill and anyone from those games

[upbeat spade]

Just wait til the last seasons of bf6. That's when the content will pop off the most

[amber belfry]

goodnight ppl. dont let the mortars bite you

[distant chasm]

And Monster Hunter loves to talk about trying to find a 3DS for cheap and then the actual game

[slow rapids]

The scene on the dock toward the end where your buddy gets shot and all of the audio was like 1 full second off sync

[languid mural]

I mean Im not surprised bf6 launched the way it did (barely any content, some things still not fixed/added), everyone seems to forget it was supposed to have 1 year more before it was moved due to gta 6 delay

[past jasper]

the gta6 hitting hard isnt it huh

also is gta launching late this year?

[distant chasm]

Well its not worse when the loading screen cutscenes in Alan Wake 2 desynced like 10 seconds from the audio

[past jasper]

still*?

[languid mural]

dunno

[distant chasm]

idk what happened there bro and i havent fixed it yet

[languid mural]

I bet if bf6 stayed on schedule instead of getting rushed it would still come out before gta6 lol

[past jasper]

i still remember the gta6 trailer 1 launch

[amber belfry]

gta 6 is gonna let down so many people. no game can live up to a hype this monumental. allright now im really going

[past jasper]

that was an event

[slow rapids]

Heat death is coming before gta6 lol

[past jasper]

well

ea didnt bank on the usual 2 delay for a rockstar game

gtav was delayed twice

and i think rdr2 was also?

[tall zinc]

certain corners here are saying it's on track

[past jasper]

i mean they already delayed twice

[tall zinc]

not here, literally, corners is cryptic

[languid mural]

well Im not surprised they didnt wanna risk it, look titanfall 2
I know the series wasnt as established as battlefield, but it was one of the best movement shooters ever that got sandwiched between 2 big releases and shafted because of it

[tall zinc]

ehh

not the full story

it's actually more boring and actually more weird than most realise

[distant chasm]

im pretty sure ea kinda sabotaged respawn to get them

[tall zinc]

they did not

[distant chasm]

Actually

Outlandish story

[tall zinc]

it was respawns decision

the GM said so

EA were actually telling them not to

[distant chasm]

yea they thought they could put up a fight against the two hitters

that reminds me lmao

that game had an open beta trailer

arent battlefield's gamescom trailers usually also open beta announcements

[amber belfry]

Guys they tweaked the patch notes. Rpg / tow velocity nerf

[languid mural]

again? or is that the one theyve been speaking of

[calm condor]

if bf6 wasnt rushed i garuentee you it would have been the best shooter game to come out in like 5 years.

[amber belfry]

just velocity and acceleration this time

[languid mural]

tbh it still is

[calm condor]

and ITS FLOPPING MANN

god its so depressing to see the player counts dwindle

i still stick by its side though

[languid mural]

it couldve been much better but like, the only thing is arc raiders, which is TPS, the finals which everyone says is good but I dont see anyone playing, helldivers but thats not PvP
what else came out in last 5 years

[calm condor]

tbf black ops 6 was pretty good

dunno if its better than bf6 tho

[languid mural]

I wouldnt know, last cod since black ops 3 that Ive played was on the phone

[amber belfry]

it was okay. Just really predatory and the sbmm was miserable

[calm condor]

what i do remember

[languid mural]

5 years ago was 2021 💀 crazy

[calm condor]

is that the campeign

was fun as hell

[languid mural]

but my skibidi toilet bossfight?!?! has to be better right

[calm condor]

god damn bo7

what a mistake you were

[languid mural]

makes me think if they would've actually started backtracking on all that if BF didnt come out yet

[calm condor]

maybe!

[languid mural]

cuz BF sold, a lot, so it definitely was an influence

[calm condor]

people think its gonna influence mw4

so

[languid mural]

but dunno if the main reason or just the outcry

[calm condor]

hopeuflly its a poostive one

[calm condor]

outcry for sure

bo7 was doa

[languid mural]

well CoD definitely influenced BF6, Redsec existing just to poach CoD Warzone players and because they refuse to split the gun balance between the two, MP suffers

like every gun being uber accurate up to 70 meters, hell KTS can full auto up to 300 and still be good which is crazy

[past jasper]

tbh im fine with guns being accurate

[languid mural]

cuz I remember even 2042 when I played it during road to BF6, when I picked support and had an SMG, if the engagement was above like 50 meters most of the times I didnt even bother with it

[past jasper]

also balance wasnt really split as m250 had actual drop off in redsec

[past jasper]

thank god that bf2042 didnt have one shot weapons that are lasers

also 2042 ttk was a lot faster

[languid mural]

to be fair I did play it near the end of its lifespan (so road to bf6) so it was already patched

[past jasper]

ntw50

it always existed

and it was buffed in terms of against infantry over the lifespan

[languid mural]

but man, my biggest frustration with that game that I remembered was literally just the fact that you had the squad leader thing every 30 seconds shouting at you which was annoying af

and the fact that defibs were clunky

maybe recency bias, but holy shit theres so many annoying things with bf6 its crazy

[past jasper]

because it was just interact to revive at the time of game designe

[languid mural]

yeah it was so funny when it was faster to come up to someone and press E on them with defibs in hand than to actually run up with the defibs charged already

didnt stop me from getting that 80 kill 76 revives game on iwo jima breakthrough

good times

[pure elk]

So dead it has more players than bf6

[calm condor]

it absolutely does not

[pure elk]

Steam says you are wrong

[languid mural]

man looking through bf2042 screenshots

match with 61 throwing knife kills

pls give me my throwing knives back

theyre so ass now

[calm condor]

steam only reports people who are playing "Call Of Duty" which combines Cold War, MW2, BO6, MW3, and BO7.

So if the playerbase is split amoung all of those, that means the numbers for BO7 are HORRIBLE

[pure elk]

Incorrect. It includes bo6, bo7 and warzone only

[languid mural]

wasnt one of these on discount recently

[calm condor]

that still doesn't help your case

[pure elk]

Only games in cod hq included on steam numbers

[calm condor]

bf6 is one game while bo6 and 7 and warzone is 3

[pure elk]

And console numbers on bo7 will be greater than bf6

[calm condor]

and you know this how?

[languid mural]

not really, theres a lot of console players on bf6

[pure elk]

Prove me wrong

Gecko wins again

[languid mural]

? the burden of proof is on you

[calm condor]

this is ragebait

lmao

[languid mural]

yeah he is ragebaiting

he's here in chat to ragebait pretty often

just saying stuff

[calm condor]

gotcha

[pure elk]

33k dead. 30k not dead. Make it make sense

Math is hard I know

[pure elk]

Proving people wrong isn’t ragebait

[languid mural]

you have proven nothing

its just ragebait

[calm condor]

its working on you lmao. stop interacting

[languid mural]

couldve been worse

[hallow geode]

I gotta say I'm getting tired of whenever they say "inspired by" .... it's pretty much an excuse to not give as big or full of an experience. Like with Operation Augr they say it's "inspired" by operations. So that's an easy excuse for them to not include any narrative flowing through the maps and no rush e.ct

[languid mural]

I saw a video about how rush was basically side-graded since bf3 and man, from these small moments that I had while playing rush, I really wish it wasnt

[hallow geode]

I used to play rush equally as much as conquest in BF4 but yeah now it feels like a cheap mode

[languid mural]

because it is, maps dont facilitate rush at all

like the only rush I remember playing in current game was on firestorm and thats because it was such a pain

oh and blackwell too cuz it bugged

[hallow geode]

So weird they tried to make a big deal of it back in the multiplayer reveal event. Saying Conquest, breakthrough and rush are the 3 main modes but it feels so tacked on

[languid mural]

attackers couldnt place charges because some demolition went bad and blocked the mcom

[languid mural]

well, the one mode thats actually in the big 3 instead of rush, escalation, is actually pretty decent

[hallow geode]

Yeah now escalation is very popular now that the game has been out. I wonder if they would've gave rush more love if escalation didn't take off

[proper rune]

SquidG's 128 rush lol

[languid mural]

considering how other modes they designed fare (sabotage, winter offensive were shit, gas was ok, nightfall was good), and the gauntlet modes, which is some pretty chill ones vs omega cancer in vendetta, squad elimination

Im surprised they cooked up escalation

[hallow geode]

They even included rush as a time gated moment in the beta. We had to wait til week 2 of the beta and it was so meh

[languid mural]

also the capture the flag with 4 ppl is not that fun in this game

[upbeat spade]

Okays guys. Maybe you guys were right.
Mortars is broken

[languid mural]

tbh if they reworked vendetta and squad hunt I'd probably play gauntlet more but just the dread of having to play these modes keeps me up at night

like squad hunt without the sudden elimination would be good, and vendetta would be better if instead you got the vip status for having most kills and then some extra points for killing the VIP

[hallow geode]

Vendetta is always a guaranteed loss unless your random teammates have their monitor turned on. Which isn't very often

[tired flower]

Still??

[languid mural]

even when its not a loss its painful because the optimal strategy is to sit in a corner/run away

[languid mural]

nah, idk if now, that was when I tried rush

[calm condor]

deadass i like vendetta and squad hunt

its a dramatic change of pace

[tired flower]

Huh.. I always thought it was Conquest, Escallation, and Breakthrough with how little rush gets promoted and how badly the maps are balanced vehicle wise

[hallow geode]

Yeah it's a lazy cop out to make an objective "Hide in corner and win"

[calm condor]

with the squad elimination mechanic its like "oh shit okay we gotta lock tf in"

[languid mural]

I dont like vendetta and squad hunt because the optimal gameplay for both of them is 1 person sits in a corner just to live and other 3 try to do something maybe

[calm condor]

and vendetta is alright.

[tired flower]

Rodeo is the only gauntlet event I hate

[calm condor]

not with how i play. Maybe vendetta (but it feels like survival and wave after wave) vs squad hunt is super tense and tatical for me and my team

[languid mural]

I dont hate rodeo, but it could be better

[calm condor]

wtf

Yall ngl

i love rodeo

man

i like gauntlet the way it is

[hallow geode]

Same

We are rare rodeo enjoyers

[calm condor]

i dunno if its cause im cracked at being a tankie

but

[upbeat spade]

Okay maybe they should nerf mortars

[languid mural]

yeah but you have to consider that its optimal, and also gl getting vendetta or squad hunt on top 2, legit gave me incurable diseases playing that (vendetta not so much, but squad hunt? holy)

[calm condor]

i absoutely shred in rodeo.

with the right squad

[calm condor]

squad hunt on top 2??

[languid mural]

yes

[calm condor]

thats like super tense and tatical

i like that

[languid mural]

no, it was enemy team camping one roof and we lost by timing out and 1 point from a dude dying just before the timer

[calm condor]

ive never had that happen

especially during the last minute

thats when me and my squad pushes from all angles if they camp

we usually win that way

camping only takes you so far in that mode