battlefield-6

[rain burrow]

yes but its a launch, to me battlefield even tho its mainstream feels it was quite niche in the shooter scene

[amber belfry]

its not on steam? the studios other games are. big yikes tbh. means ill likely never "buy" it

[sinful harness]

Definitely was over a million on all platforms

[rain burrow]

because people dont want to bother with all out warfare genre, already split between extreme milsim and casual like BF series and planetside 2
and battlebit was dead 6 month after the reboot

[amber belfry]

bf1 did quite similar at launch. i think it was around 200k players quickly dropping to 60-40k. even tho that game was massive

[merry bolt]

Nope. that is why I haven't bought it

[rain burrow]

i dont mind tho, we just need influencer to shut it about the game because they harm the game more than they think

[amber belfry]

i aquired it just to see how it would perform on a rig. havent gotten to it yet

[icy ocean]

According to DICE this new map dropping tomorrow is catered towards fans of metro and locker

[amber belfry]

ive had to unsubscribe to all the ones ive been subbed to since the bf4/1 days :/. endless slop videos

[fallen fox]

Bf1 didnt have dlcs for 8 something months after launch

[sinful harness]

Pretty sure turning tides came out after six months

[amber belfry]

i was talking numbers not content

[rain burrow]

i wont name them but i hope they viewership crash down tho

[amber belfry]

i hope we get funny easter egg guns like the phantom bow / dice la camo from bf4 and the peacemaker from bf1

[velvet kayak]

Can’t wait for the new map tomorrow - looks great!

[amber belfry]

als this game is lacking meme guns, im not counting the db12. but i miss stuff like the crossbow from 2042, bow from 4 and kolibri from 1

[amber belfry]

very locker esque map layout

[rain burrow]

i dont miss them tbh

[velvet kayak]

Exactly!

[sinful harness]

Sorry, turning tides was a year and two months. They shall not pass was six months.

[amber belfry]

i do, i loved getting good with meme guns

also the crossbow from 2042 was peak despite my hatred for that game

and the deagle

oh and the fucking keltec p50. a fully auto pistol that takes 51 round p90 mags

[icy ocean]

Do we know if hagental base will have conquest?

[rain burrow]

they did 2 months after tho

[fiery oxide]

Yes

[rain burrow]

but thats not the issue, a battlefield game is rarely maintained 2 years after release i think bf2042 was the exception at that

[icy ocean]

Excellent can’t wait to spam rpgs

[fallen fox]

Maintaining it to pay the bills

[velvet kayak]

2 months after launch? Nah, more like 5 months.

[rain burrow]

isnt the first DLC released in DEC 2016 and the game released in OCT 2016 ?

[fallen fox]

1 map

[sinful harness]

No

They shall not pass came out in March

[rain burrow]

okay that was in march 2017 thats on me

[sinful harness]

Then turning tides took like eight more months

[fiery oxide]

Yall could just look it up

[rain burrow]

thats what i did thats why i said my bad :)

[dense lion]

can we lodge complaints in this channel? if so who to tag?

[sinful harness]

Sure, but they might not read them.

Idk how much of this channel they read.

[cedar briar]

I'm ready for what's to come

[warped steppe]

Feels like EA/dice got the money and hype they wanted at launch so now they don't give a shit about the future of the game

[shadow pagoda]

yo why is wednesday in battlefield 6

[ripe hedge]

bring back ntw 50

[rugged mango]

That’s all I’m gonna be playing from here on out

[cursive hound]

Why not? She's sick and sadistic. They go together.

[pseudo geode]

We should force every DICE developer to use the tank in a breaktrough match and see how long they last before they get pissed of the lock missiles and auto rockets getting you behind corners, shot by 10 people at once

[shadow pagoda]

next up we get ice spice

holy shit

ICE spice

we need ICE in battlefield

[cursive hound]

[D]ICE

[shadow pagoda]

lmao

ICE spICE

[warped steppe]

Honesty I'm not even a tank main and I hate it

[rugged mango]

Ah hell nawl

[shadow pagoda]

Honestly i dont even own the game yet and i already hate it

[rugged mango]

Gotta play the game man

[shadow pagoda]

the tanks not the game

i dont even own the game yet and i already love it (the game)

[pseudo geode]

I've been playing the new map for the most part, it's a decent map for once, I mainly take the tank when I can and manage to last a good bit IF THERE ARE ENGINEERS FIXING. The whole match is costant beeping and alarms

[shadow pagoda]

is the new map like that blast door cave thingy

[rugged mango]

Hagental base is infantry only I’m assuming

Can’t wait

[shadow pagoda]

can someone help me

i wanna know if i can replace NATO with PALA and that pmc faction with BDF (the faction names only)

[covert knot]

who is looking forward to mortarfield 6 tomorrow?

[shadow pagoda]

Primevafield

[loud mica]

Finally!!!

[shadow pagoda]

What did bro do 😭

from the server or the game

in game?

[loud mica]

From the server here

[shadow pagoda]

oh phew

getting banned in the game would be crazy work

[loud mica]

Ah, never experienced that before bro

[shadow pagoda]

yeah thats why i got worried

why does battlefield have only one execution

evene titanfall 2 has like 8

excluding titan executions

just pilots

[cedar briar]

Because its not titanfall

[shadow pagoda]

duh

but it could have variety

[cedar briar]

why compare it then

if you said even 2042 had more take downs then yea

[fiery oxide]

Cause they did away with unique executions

[shadow pagoda]

just one execution with a knife to the heart and pulling out dog tag is not cool

[rugged mango]

I’m looking forward to bf6 version of 24/7 locker🔥🔥🔥

I’m gonna grind the fuck out of that map

[shadow pagoda]

i want nicki minaj or ice spice to yeet soldiers like king kong

okay but if seriously just more stuff like necksnap or different type of knife attacks would be cool

[modest jackal]

NGL, I didn't even know firing Weapons in BF6 has a Movement Speed Penalty, because the Agile Shooter Perk is such a nothingburger.

[shadow pagoda]

or idk, phase shift into the guy and phase out destroying them completely or idk, phase shift into the guy and phase out destroying them completely https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5fkm8p/new_titanfall_2_fatality_lets_you_warp_right/

its super cool

[cedar briar]

Its movememnt speed not shooting speed

[rugged mango]

#screenshots-and-clips 2nd vid

Omg the nostalgia

[signal spire]

hell yeah

[shadow pagoda]

hell naw twin this was a test 💔

[signal spire]

damn

nicki minaj is fire

[shadow pagoda]

can you turn off flight assist for planes just like heli

[signal spire]

there is flight assist for planes?

[shadow pagoda]

dont know

when i start playing the game, i dont want it to be like ace combat

i dont even own it yet

[signal spire]

idk too

[shadow pagoda]

looking forward to

[signal spire]

jets are hard, ima focusing on the helis

[charred rose]

battlefield

[tired flower]

If there is flight assist for jets, it sure as hell hasn't helped me fly them

[acoustic spindle]

There is no assist on jets. It’s heli only

[ripe hedge]

I use controller

[charred rose]

W

[sweet edge]

They really should add a tank and flight school so players can practice with vehicles in an environment where they aren't taking up a team resource and wasting it

[abstract nexus]

Id love to practice with aircraft but I cant and the practice portal servers either dont work or have people killing other people with aircraft, stealing it when it spawns or spawnkilling aircraft so it doesnt work as practice

If we had proper personal training ranges I could learn to fly

[sweet edge]

Fr, like a breakthrough type map where you're forced into spawning in a transport helicopter and you have to get bots onto the point, or where there's tanks on the point (and no engineer bots on your team) to practice destroying armour with the attack chopper

[modest jackal]

Duh.

[fiery oxide]

Pretty sure there are solo practice portal modes

[sweet edge]

Show the player how the vehicles are meant to be used, and make them practice using them in that way

(And also probably have a precursor that just teaches how to not crash lol)

[abstract nexus]

If you could give me the code to one that works id be incredibly grateful but all the ones ive tried dont work

[sweet edge]

Yeah same

I just load into an empty map with nothing

[abstract nexus]

Ive found 2 public ones that work but I have the issues I mentioned above (I also forgot which ones they were so even if i wanted to bite the bullet I cant lol)

[peak totem]

If I buy the phantom upgrade does that mean I won't need to buy the battlefield pro again?

[sweet edge]

No it was only valid for the first season

[peak totem]

Okay that's dumb

[sweet edge]

From what I gather
You need to purchase pro every time there's a new season

[peak totem]

I was considering buying but nah not if imma have to keep getting the pro

[swift current]

Its interesting to see no one putting effort in game

Like why?

[sweet edge]

Tbf the bright orange skins are a big "shoot me first" beacon anyway

[abstract nexus]

I like them

Cool enough colors

[sweet edge]

Oh I don't dislike them, there are some nice ones

But they do make you a target

[abstract nexus]

True pay to lose

But like, im swagging, so im actually winning

[sweet edge]

That's why I love these new Pax gas mask skins, they actually blend in (and look somewhat like a real soldier might wear them)

I mean not the one with the cloak
But the two ladies at least

[languid mural]

thank god theres no reconnecting to a BR match, the game can at any time decide to crash and just kill you 🙏

[peak totem]

I am loving the gas mask skins tbh all my characters have a gas mask 😎

[languid mural]

love it when the game itself doesnt allow me to play

[abstract nexus]

The 2 ladies have my favorite cosmetics

[sweet edge]

Yeah I way prefer playing Pax, much nicer skins - also feels like they generally have more of a cohesive visual identity

NATO multicam when?

[abstract nexus]

Both of the men's fits kinda suck but one of them at least gets a respirator skin (with some weird shitty cape)

[sweet edge]

I want all my soldiers to wear the same camo if they're in the same unit

[abstract nexus]

Ehhh I feel like nato has the best gear tho pax also has some good stuff

Like nato assaults and supports have some of the best cosmetics

Especially default

[peak totem]

I wish the store wouldn't keep changing. Why are bundles on a timer. Making things unavailable for purchase. Just leave whatever purchasable content in the store. Cod makes it so you can always find the skin in the store by just selecting the one you like on the loadout.

[sweet edge]

The one with the two distinct eyepieces is probably my favourite skin in the game

[abstract nexus]

Desert locust engineer is worth paying money for

And its for free

But he also has great paid skins like the black nvg one and the gas mask one

[sweet edge]

Unfortunately I cannot stand the unmasked NATO coyote squad skins. It's like they made the support the ugliest person on the planet

I'm not saying they should all be beautiful babes in makeup, they shouldn't

But Jesus Christ please try and up the visual appeal a tad. Especially when all the dudes look quite handsome

[abstract nexus]

I think all the face models look normal and nice i dont see the issue tbh

My only issue is the new pax unit. The guy with the goofy ass hair. This issue isnt even about his face its about the dead chipmunk vro calls a hairstyle

[sweet edge]

Oh Atlas. Yeah he does look kinda goofy

[sweet edge]

Tbh it's specifically the coyote squad support I have an issue with. Unmasked she has like a permanent look of disgust on her face like she's just smelled dog shit

[maiden aurora]

Tomorrow it's a big day friends

[fiery oxide]

Take a shower

[brazen viper]

dlss5 on bf6?

[sweet edge]

Another one? But I just got out of the shower

My skin is going to get dry if I keep taking showers

[maiden aurora]

WD-40 fix everything

[sweet edge]

Now imagining bathing in wd40 what a horrible image

[velvet cedar]

is the new map only for small modes? or will there be conquest on it?

kinda like saints quarter

because that would suck

[gaunt anvil]

The fall ranger skin goes hard

[sweet edge]

Yeah it's just small modes

TDM, sTDM and there was another mode I can't remember

[crimson garden]

Penguin big question, will VL-7 Contaminated modes be gone tomorrow once part 2 of Season 2 launches?

[abstract nexus]

Yes

It will be replaced by nightfall

[ripe imp]

Questions about the latest map and the new upcoming map. The latest map had the gas and gas mask gimmick and the new map will have a night vision gimmick. Are those gimmicks a permanent thing for the maps? Or will they eventually go away the maps will return to normal? I hope they keep them as permanent fixtures. Why not just leave them there? Would make the maps really unique to play on. Just natural hazards.

[hollow finch]

The gas should stay as a part of the map tbh

What happened to unique map quirks

[ripe imp]

They went away just like levelution

which sucks

cause there was that one map in 4 that literally flooded and changed the dynamics of everything

Of course we had metro where there was a big stage transition as a bomb blew up to open the tunnels

It would hurt no one to make those maps unique

[hollow finch]

Weather and lighting changes were nice too

A small thing in general but adds a lot

[cursive hound]

I wish BF6 maps had dynamic weather.
Every match would feel more unique.

[ripe imp]

Even as simple as day vs night

[hollow finch]

I don't enjoy the maps feeling like... A generic pvp arena

And not real places

[ripe imp]

Do we even have maps or spots in maps that would necessitate the flashlight?

[worldly trail]

cough mirak valley cough new sobek

[cursive hound]

Like Kharg Island and Tehran Highway?

[ripe imp]

I think the only reason people even run flashlights is for the small numerical bump in the hipfire stat

[crimson garden]

Penguin actually thinks there could have been maps that is actually intended to be more like ''Generic PVP Arenas'', at least for smaller modes

[sturdy quarry]

Bring those 2 back , especially now

[cursive hound]

😬

[modest jackal]

Same here.

[old crater]

Hello mates

What the topic for today

[minor schooner]

Im so excited for play tommorow with new maps and net code fix with my bot friends

[worldly trail]

Vehicle audio hopefully adds sound to helicopters

[ripe imp]

I guess the recent topic is the new map coming out. And that apparently the latest map is lossing its gimmick. Meaning it no longer has its uniqueness. It would hurt no one to make it a permanent thing.

[old crater]

Hagntal airbase is alright, besides potentially being Corner camping hell for those who have Shotguns

[sturdy quarry]

We basically have 0 old school large maps , we really need the old big maps of 3 and 4 and maybe even 1942 size.

[old crater]

Indeed

We also just need better quality maps, hagnetal will lose its uniqueness after night fall is removed

[sturdy quarry]

Most maps are kinda badly map , your right on that one , literally only thing vehicles that actually want to survive can do most of the time is sit in the backlines , pushing with vehicles in almost all maps is near impossible without basically double engie reps

[worldly trail]

ye need maps with 1000 m sightlines for fun long range snipes (would probably need a 12 or 20x scope though, which game don't have lol)

I think 10x is the highest magnification

[hollow finch]

Fuck that

[worldly trail]

worked quite well in older Battlefield installments..

[modest jackal]

Because Sniping wasn't a priority there?

[charred rose]

Sniping is peak here I point at the enemy and they die unless I hitmarker from being bad

[worldly trail]

sniping on Golmud, Dragon Valley, such great memories

hagental better be the last small map added for like 2 years lol

[cursive hound]

@worldly trail I read you love big maps.

[worldly trail]

yes, the core of Battlefield is simply. BIG.

[candid terrace]

Big core energy

[acoustic spindle]

Who wants to run for five minutes just to get sniped. The conquest maps are big enough 😂

[worldly trail]

hardly

learn to zig zag

besides, they'll be sure to add plenty of cover for infantry. look what they did to firestorm. you'd be fine

[tender cradle]

#game-news message so attackers should only be able to use mortars in their HQ, not defenders...

[faint shore]

Bruh they locked the reactions in game news so you can't 👎

btw is there double xp today? 🧐

[blissful haven]

big maps just feel like small maps cuz we hardly have any engagement distances because sniping is so easy and most automatic guns can lazer out to distances they shouldn't be able to

[topaz nacelle]

have they added the little bird to portal yet? any good codes to practice with it?

[sweet edge]

It can be hard to find spots to use mortars as offense? Blackwell Fields literally has at least 4 mortar spammers on attack every match...

[tender cradle]

nope, just played

[tight prism]

cod slop

[sweet edge]

Like it can get to the point where you need someone to go on dedicated mortar clearing duty so that you can actually be on the point without exploding

[acoustic spindle]

Skill issue

[topaz nacelle]

I just take out the mortars with the recon drone

[tight prism]

I grow tired of hearing that from low level players

[blissful haven]

ngl with the gameplay rn being so shallow

kinda feels a little like COD

[acoustic spindle]

Cod mentioned. Opinion invalid. Also everyone drink

[cursive temple]

Skill issue

[topaz nacelle]

The problem with a lot of the gadgets is that they are either OP or useless depending on how they are used and countered

[faint shore]

hey @acoustic spindle is there gonna be double XP when the update drops tomorrow?

[cursive temple]

No

[faint shore]

I sure hope so 😢

[tight prism]

you see that's where you're wrong

[acoustic spindle]

For everyone except you

[solemn delta]

I was so scared that update was gonna be a mortar nerf

[blissful haven]

especially cuz every gun beams and vehicles arent effective or well designed

[topaz nacelle]

like the IFV is OP on breakthrough untill you actually get more than 2 or 3 engineers going after it then it's gone in 2s

[tight prism]

It's a fact

you're just in denial

like the rest of Cod fanbase

[gleaming totem]

If we get double EXP, it will be on the weekend, and not on some monday / tuesday

[stark stag]

Can we get an explanation on why we cant shoot rockets as a passenger of little bird anymore? Really enjoyed being engineer and being able to do more than just repair in back of little bird

[blissful haven]

gameplay was nerfed so hard the game is so easy, its hard to play if that makes sense

[topaz nacelle]

The challanges screw up the balance, everyone is grinding vs. swapping to a the class needed for the situation

[worldly trail]

it would be cool for them to do it on the day they drop a seasonal update though

[acoustic spindle]

Like anyone cares of the opinion of a three day old troll account😂

[merry bolt]

according to the patch notes , it should be quicker to unlock attachments for weapons.

[tight prism]

BA alt actually

[granite igloo]

Redditor detected

[sweet edge]

Imo

Take defib away from support and give it to assault

Make the assault ladder the signature gadget for assault and make the adrenaline shot a regular gadget

Support is too strong right now and this mortar change will make them even stronger

[tight prism]

Don't even use it

[gleaming totem]

yeah, but that has nothing to do with some double EP

[tight prism]

nice ragebait

[tall zinc]

me
mortar is insane 2 weeks ago
ping that they're being nerfed

--

I will watch my words

[tight prism]

too bad you suck at it

[merry bolt]

I know but it's still a good change.

[gleaming totem]

especially for the handguns 🙏

[cursive temple]

What lvl are you?

[tight prism]

you care enough to respond 🤡

[solemn delta]

It looks like they’re saying that they want to make it more effective for attacking teams to say it may be getting buffed 🙏

[tight prism]

irrelevant

[merry bolt]

sidearms in this game need a buff... they are so weak.

[cursive temple]

No tell me

[worldly trail]

I only use the revolvers bc they good sidearms

[blissful haven]

honestly that change would probably work but the idea of defib being in the hands of assault just doesnt sit right. its got nothing to do with gameplay or anything like that the idea just feels strange 😭 but yeah assault is so useless i dont use it even though i play like an assault

[crimson garden]

Penguin detected Ganslinger big post about Mortars! 😃

[gleaming totem]

yeah, at least the sideguns not being a revolver... 5.7, glock, they all feel so weak for sure

[worldly trail]

assault been medics in BF though, it makes way more sense. support should never have both health and ammo

[blissful haven]

the leveling needs to be made easier which they did

[granite igloo]

The only ones I like are the revolvers and 1911 since they deal good damage

[tight prism]

oh boy indie developers are going make good money

[solemn delta]

Honestly real. A 45. should absolutely do more damage than 25 at anything past 10 feet

[blissful haven]

cuz the revolver is super good if u can use it

[sweet edge]

old man voice

Back in my day, Assault used to have the defib

[merry bolt]

I like that a fully automatic sidearm is coming.. I'd like a shotgun sidearm like in BF4. it was so cool in BF4.

[worldly trail]

if it aint broke..

[tall zinc]

it's the opposite, allowing mortars to hit into enemy spawn is against offensive use, explicitly, this removes the potential for folks to camp the spawn BT on contaminated at all, it's a strict nerf in for those users

and a straight buff for defense

[tight prism]

Dust Front and Beta Decay should be on your wishlists

[blissful haven]

that would be cool, like a sidearm that can change from fully automatic to burst to single

like the g18 with its attachment or something like that

[merry bolt]

I use the M1911 all the time and it feels like a pea shooter.. my favorite handgun is weak af in this

[tight prism]

games made by developers that actually give a damn

[solemn delta]

Oh damn alright the message in the ping gave me the opposite idea

[granite igloo]

I’d always run assault in bf4, cause of the defib and it had the best guns in The game

[worldly trail]

support having both health and ammo just means less teamwork

[gleaming totem]

honestly, I'm a bit afraid of the automatic sidearm, because it makes me fear the full powercreep anyways.

I want to enjoy my "normal" sidearms 🙈

[cursive temple]

Was so overpowered

[merry bolt]

It'll be close quater combat dominate for sure.. not long range.

[tight prism]

Cod slop

it's too late for a refund

[gleaming totem]

I mean, that's most of the fights were the sidearm becomes relevant

[tall zinc]

the thing that's easy to miss is the vehicle repair unit is inside the spawn point for contaminated and in order to use it you need to be pretty much next to it more or less, this change opens up keeping vehicles permanently offline at lower health and a vast amount of other util for defense, if they intended to buff offense then this approach does the exact reverse

[sweet edge]

Type-88, thermal scope, smoke grenade launcher and resupply box

I was actually the worst

[solemn delta]

I still like using it it just definitely needs the damage drop off reworked

[steel terrace]

huge L for double downing on the mortar changes

[granite igloo]

Bf4 Ace 23 my beloved

[sweet edge]

Can't wait for even more people to leave as soon as they get assigned defense because they're being bombarded with mortars

People don't like being fodder for IFVs and mortars to farm kills on

[gleaming totem]

dmg dropoff, and I would like to give them at least MUCH better weapon switch times compared to some revolver / full auto sidearm. Give them some utility benefit in some way

[merry bolt]

I remember doing the challenges for sidearms.. i about broke my keyboard in rage with how weak they are.

[blissful haven]

i dont play defense on breakthrough since they destroyed it like a month ago in that update

[final helm]

If people want to sit and spam mortars while we take objectives then let them.

[sweet edge]

3 headshot kills without reloading is some sort of sick joke lmao

[gleaming totem]

There is just not a single benefit in choosing most of the guns, because the two revolvers outkill everything with no downsides.

[sturdy quarry]

Play conquest , problem solved , both sides are equal.

[tight prism]

BF6 and Broken arrow...two games made by devs who don't give a rats 💩 about their playerbase

[sweet edge]

Problem is you won't be able to be on the objective anymore because of the mortar spam

[gleaming totem]

I got this by chance, and I still can't believe it. Found two snipers from behind, and got lucky with a third

[blissful haven]

yeah once i got the revolvers i never touched another sidearm

[modest jackal]

NGL, I don't think the Mortars will be abused that much. Will it be more common? Yes. Every Match? Not really.

[tight prism]

I see a pattern

[tall zinc]

this change was the wrong approach for the mortar it only needed a small change but w/e

[final helm]

I mean i feel the mortars are nerfed now. Same with RPG's vs tanks..... i hit a tank with 5 RPG's and didnt kill it. no one repairing it.

[slow rapids]

if people dont like mortarts just bring MP-APS or counter fire the mortars for freebies

[tight prism]

@acoustic spindle you'll fit right in with the Broken arrow discord community 🤣

[sweet edge]

I use the ggh-22 because it feels like the most realistic sidearm option for a PMC

[tight prism]

trash defending trash game

[devout horizon]

you can insta kill mortars with recon drones, buffing them is fine

[sturdy quarry]

What is this mortar abuse and why does it not exist on conquest , pretty simple solution it seems just play the main big gamemode

[blissful haven]

yo chill bf6 is still a decent game

[sweet edge]

Recon drones aren't allowed in the enemy HQ though...

[tight prism]

sure

[daring cove]

I like how they don’t realize that people will use it to camp on defense too lol

[blissful haven]

got some serious pressing issues but still it can be saved pretty easily

[modest jackal]

Because the HQ Spawns only matter in Breakthrough.

[devout horizon]

just fly it in even if it dies

[nova herald]

Dlss 5 in bf6 when?

[slow rapids]

no love for rush 😔

[gleaming totem]

issue is the support gonna get another mortar faster than you get another drone

[devout horizon]

why are people upset about mortar changes and not about the tiny 15% increase to weapon xp?

[sweet edge]

You legit get about 2 seconds, you will struggle big time to get in range of mortar campers

[slow rapids]

15% is better than 0% increase

[devout horizon]

no its not bc it will take them months to adjust it again so we stuck with next to no improvement

[gleaming totem]

ehhhh, 15% only if you go for level 50, most important stuff is way before that... level 40 unlocks all the attachments

[devout horizon]

yeah thats nearly 1000 kills which is absurd

[blissful haven]

weapon leveling isnt THAT bad

[devout horizon]

i should have every attachment in about 200, leave the camos for the grind

[modest jackal]

That's only in general for Primaries. You do get more XP for the first 20 or so Levels on them, while Pistols are going to level a whooping 60% Faster.

[sweet edge]

I just pick one or two weapons to level at a time and stick to them until I have them at level 40

And then the ones I really enjoy I take to level 50

[slow rapids]

iirc 2042 was like ~350ish kills to unlock everything

[devout horizon]

almost every gun has a supressor locked AFTER level 20

[crimson garden]

Penguin notice some will always be upset no matter what happens friend 🦢 Even if they get Bigger maps and all, the upset ones will keep on being persistent 🎣 Meanwhile Penguin will have fun thanks to BF6! 😃

[blissful haven]

u still got the flash hider 💔

[devout horizon]

yeah it was even less in BF4 and you had battlepacks that gave you comsetic alternatives making it even faster

[slow rapids]

in fairness bf4 had like 9 attachments

[gleaming totem]

Look, I want myself to go for each of my weapons to level 50, but I have no issue with 50 taking long.

It's more annyoing to get some level 15/25/35 for some silencer, stubby or thermal scope

[devout horizon]

not like 6 has any more, 3 types of grips with MINOR stat varations, its just fluff to pad it out, tons of optics that dont matter outside of personal prerefence clogging up stuff too

[sweet edge]

The real solution - get rid of 3d spotting for firing without a suppressor or flash hider. Keep 3d spotting for active spotting only

[blissful haven]

nah u got to read each attachment carefully they are quite different

[devout horizon]

no they arent, they all give slight benefits to recoil with different trade offs, the same as angled, straight and potato in bf4

[blissful haven]

it really depends on the gun and then u got like 9 viable options per each gun

[modest jackal]

The issue is that the lack of Advanced Stats means that you don't know the difference between a lot of the Grips/Muzzle Breaks.

[velvet cedar]

i still want them to get rid of quick revives. the only thing i want them to change

[sweet edge]

Yeah sometimes a cheaper grip can actually give better recoil control or whatever than a more expensive option

[devout horizon]

getting to 50 can take time, just give me every attachment faster so i can actually use the gun fully

[blissful haven]

ok muzzle is just slap on whatever suppressor works best for the gun and call it a day but grips is complex for what build ur going for

[devout horizon]

this is a major issue and means the only muzzles are flash hider or supressor so every muzzle attachment u get is also a waste

so ur stuck with a flash hider for 25+ levels most of the time

the system is a mess and actively drives people away from the game

[blissful haven]

good point ive never used anything that isnt a flash hider or suppressor

[shadow turret]

We want solos back.

[devout horizon]

they are copying the attachment soup COD has but doing it way worse

[quasi hornet]

looking for a squad

[gleaming totem]

exactly my point.

Btw, first thing I gonna check out tomorrow after the update is what that purple laser gonna do. New attachments take my interesst probably more than the new map and scorpion

[blissful haven]

yo wtf i did not fully read the patch notes PURPLE LASER??????

[devout horizon]

if they dont retroacitvely adjust my xp after they change how the curve is calculated im going to lose even more interest

another laser that gives away ur position for minor benefit

[bleak ocean]

red laser is the only good one

[blissful haven]

blue lasers are good for cqb

[sturdy quarry]

breakthrough sounds terrible , conquest only here

[gleaming totem]

Blue laser also fine

[blissful haven]

really like the accuracy while moving

[devout horizon]

if the enemy can see the laser its only good on sidearms bc u dont run around with it out unless u dont mind micro of turning it on and off

[bleak ocean]

enemy can still see it though

[devout horizon]

id never use a visible laser outside of TDM/DOM

[blissful haven]

fine by me if i can beam while strafing

[gleaming totem]

just remember to turn off if you camp in a corner

[bleak ocean]

i dont camp, but if im rounding a corner, and someone sees it, its a dead giveaway, i see green and blue lasers all day

its like a rave in any tunnel

throw in a flashlight or two

[gleaming totem]

as I said, turn off.

They are only a issue in buildings, as soon as you are in the open they have barely a downside

I'm not using a blue laser on every gun either

[blissful haven]

if u cant see ur opponents due to the terrible visibility, ur not gonna see the laser out in the open

[bleak ocean]

ill stick to red, lol. that way i dont have to worry about turning shit off and on

[gleaming totem]

Added the Hybrid Sight attachment for the CZ3A1 and adjusted the sight positioning on the M121 A2.
Added the vz. 6.1 automatic sidearm.
Added 50 mW Violet laser weapon attachment.
Added Taclight - Hip rifle weapon attachment.
Added Taclight - Aimed rifle weapon attachment.
Added Taclight - Aimed pistol weapon attachment.

[devout horizon]

not like im getting anything aside from the red laser anyway bc it takes too long to level up guns

[modest jackal]

And even then, Footsteps are more likely to give positions away than Lasers.

[blissful haven]

better be an invisible blue laser type thing. cuz that would be lethal at cqb

[gleaming totem]

that would be a 30 point attachment for sure, and then my head gonna hurt from cutting the points down again

[blissful haven]

no grip 🗣️

[gleaming totem]

sorry, I'm a grip simp

[blissful haven]

oh

usually when i run blue laser i just remove the grip

[wet blaze]

What’s the mortar change? Anyone tell me without going to find it

[devout horizon]

can deploy them in uncap now

[wet blaze]

I see

[modest jackal]

I.e your Safe Zone.

[wet blaze]

So this is considered a buff to offense?

[gaunt bane]

Why would we even consider putting the purple lazer on, surely it should have a significant advantage in cqb?

[wet blaze]

or defense or both

[devout horizon]

attacker buff yeah

defenders have space to put mortars far enough back, attackers cant really use them easily

[old siren]

I been using the mortar and find anyone who is camping. If you’re camping have fun getting killed by the mortar, since you won’t see it coming

[modest jackal]

It's a buff to both sides but it's more significant on Attack, since Defense already had space to do Bombings.

[gleaming totem]

I mean, depends on the gun.

But I love my alloy vertcials / Ribbed stubby if I can get them. Or slim angled.

[hearty kelp]

update gets pushed tuesday right?

[devout horizon]

i dont even know any of the grip names i just use the one that gives the biggest buff to recoil i can fit

i dont think the other stats aside from ADS speed seem to matter much

very hard to notice

[gleaming totem]

I just go for the ones without any debuffs 🙈

[devout horizon]

i used to do that but i couldnt notice a difference

[crimson garden]

Penguin big fan of seeing mortar used against campers = approved friend! 😃

[gleaming totem]

yeah, also had a time where I went for the ultra expensive 45 stubby one

[gaunt bane]

Classic or 6H6F?

[gleaming totem]

but this also didn't seem to be worth it

[devout horizon]

6h6f?

i told u i dont know what any of them are i just pick the best one that fits after my +mag and red dot

[blissful haven]

u will feel it when u try to beam people cuz ads accuracy while moving is rly important

[devout horizon]

im not moving at ranges i need to be accurate like that

the games built in penalty is already making that hard to do

[fiery oxide]

I try to find one that feels good on whatever gun im using

Used to use slim angled on everything basically

[gleaming totem]

yeah, and that's again the reason why I go for the no-debuff grips and blue laser... but not on every gun ofc

[devout horizon]

you can move and shoot at like 50m with nearly every weapon anyway, the recoil buff will out weight any minor ads penalty

[gleaming totem]

My goal is to get all 12 weapon loadouts with different guns on 50, no need to give everything the same attachments and role anyways

[devout horizon]

the system looks like u have a lot of choice but really its just the best grip you can fit after the optic you want and the biggest mag + supressor you can use

maybe a barrel if it matters

[fiery oxide]

Big mags are overrated

[devout horizon]

red laser for bonus

[gleaming totem]

ehhhhh, big mags are sometimes crazy expensive for barely an increase... I go for it only for the KV9

[devout horizon]

if i can run a fast mag over default i will

[gleaming totem]

maybe the fast mags for only +5

[bleak ocean]

mag is questionable unless you're under 30 rnds imo

[gaunt bane]

Is that 15% reduction in the grind for attachments going to be enough, I mean I work so it takes me a whole week to unlock 3 attachments on one gun😅

[devout horizon]

15% not enough, should have been 150%

[fiery oxide]

Do you get one kill per game or something

[gleaming totem]

even with 20 on AK4D and M277 I don't use it.

+15 for 5 bullets, +35 for 10 bullets per mag? from 20 to 30?

[devout horizon]

even at 150% increase it would still be, 400+? kills per gun for every attachment

[eternal sentinel]

id only run fast mags most except for the scw and kv9

m277 just use stock mag

trust

[devout horizon]

what else u using those points for

[gaunt bane]

@devout horizon dayum we cooked then huh!

[bleak ocean]

i agree

[gleaming totem]

silencer, blue laser, grip.

budget done and over

[devout horizon]

with the 15% buff its still about 1000 kills for every attachment PER GUN

[eternal sentinel]

blue laser and long with either 6h64 or slim angled

[fiery oxide]

No that would be for lvl 50

[eternal sentinel]

blue lazer is rlly good

[devout horizon]

drop the laser and use the better mags

[fiery oxide]

You get everything by 40

[devout horizon]

ok everything by 40 is still how manyt? 600? 700?

[ripe imp]

I mean technically its 15% average. Early unlocks are greatly reduced but it is a bit lower as you go up. We still get a decrease but not as much. And I guess instead of describing said curve with a mathematical function they said 15% average.

What I realyl hope for is retroactive unlocks. Simialr to what they did before. Get another bunch of unlocks when I jump in tomorrow hopefully.

[gleaming totem]

Better mags not preventing me from reloading after 5 shots and getting killed during this anyways

[devout horizon]

skill issue

(i do this too)

[eternal sentinel]

lasers are too strong to pass up because they can offset grip penalties

[gleaming totem]

needing more than 20 bullets per mag also skill issue 🤓

[fiery oxide]

4 bullet mags when?

[gleaming totem]

but yeah, SCW and KV9 scream for more mags for sure

[devout horizon]

if u run into 2-3 players ur gonna need it which is very possible if u run into a squad

[eternal sentinel]

m277 can kill 5 people under like 80 meters in a 20rd

[devout horizon]

you are not hitting every single shot back to back

[gaunt bane]

If they increase the mag size on just those two smgs, its meta Lobbies after that

[eternal sentinel]

no real reason to use extended mags for anything not the scw, kv9, some lmgs

[slow rapids]

yeah these guns are the only guns that really need the bigger mags, everything else is honestly just preference

[glad lichen]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[eternal sentinel]

if u tap fire u can still beam a lot of people

plus blue laser boosts ads accuracy

[sturdy quarry]

KV9 is so good I never need to touch anything else

[gleaming totem]

watch KV9 getting replaced by people because CZ3A1 gonna be like KV9 but with a real mag

[bleak ocean]

no, get 3, 4, 1 and 5

[devout horizon]

its better than 2042 but not as good as 3/4 but those games only have a few thousand players, so its the best most active battlefield atm, unless you like ww1 or ww2, then BF1 and BFV are probably better

[eternal sentinel]

id wait like 6 months

[devout horizon]

BF4 isnt hard to get into servers these days too, worth it on sale

[slow rapids]

I dont think the CZ is gonna be anything special from what i've seen, but i cant really elaborate on that bc labs

[eternal sentinel]

isnt it a 900 rpm four tap? could be good

[elfin hull]

why does bf2042 run like trash but bf6 runs fine

[slow rapids]

wouldnt be any better than the SCW-10 or the KV9

[sturdy quarry]

BF6 has to be the easiest bf for ground vehicles to farm infantry but hardest for ground vehicles to do the objective

[gaunt bane]

The SCW with 33 damage and say 40 mag would be insane in cqb, woooooh!

[elfin hull]

ion know maybe its a me problem

[eternal sentinel]

yeah but itd be more forgiving and you start with a normal mag

[bleak ocean]

(i dont hate 6, but 3,4,1, and 5 are better at this point)

[gleaming totem]

Yeah, but with a real mag, that's not nothing... I don't expect them to outperform a KV9, but it doesn't have to

[abstract swallow]

SCW is perfect with 20 rounds

[slow rapids]

we'll see, i think it will probably sit between the KV9 and MPX balance wise

[elfin hull]

my favorite is bf1

[gleaming totem]

at first I was expecting it to go between KV9 and MP7, but not sure about that anymore

[gaunt bane]

Yeah i agree

[eternal sentinel]

i mean u cant beat the scw but itd be decent at least

[slow rapids]

my feeling is that the CZ will outclass the MPX the same way the VCR outclasses the M433. Same damage model/mags/etc. higher recoil, and higher fire rate

but still generally be worse than the "best" SMGs like the KV9 and SCW-10

[eternal sentinel]

U don’t need a grip for it so just run the 26 mag

[slow rapids]

a solid mid-A tier is fine with me

[acoustic spindle]

You are using the wrong grips if they have penalties

[eternal sentinel]

Some guns need the 6h vert

Like the tr7

[slow rapids]

guns with really rattly side to side recoil benefit a ton from the high recoil reduction grips

and linear comp

[eternal sentinel]

m433 with 6h is pretty good

[abstract swallow]

I use a grip and tungsten ammo

[next gyro]

I would like to participate in the Battle Labs

[acoustic spindle]

Why would you put anything but a stubby on the 433 lol

[eternal sentinel]

huh?

[eternal sentinel]

stubbies are decent but too expensive

[gleaming totem]

I mean, the 433 can probably wear everything

[eternal sentinel]

i run extended barrel, long suppressor, 6h, blue laser

[slow rapids]

end of the day its what you're the most comfortable with

[gleaming totem]

But personally I would still use stubby or angled for better ADS time

[eternal sentinel]

for tame recoil slim angled is the best

[acoustic spindle]

I love people who use lasers. Easy to kill because I can see them from space

[eternal sentinel]

200 or 250 isnt bad tho

[slow rapids]

i had a guy convinced i was cheating bc he kept sitting in corners with a blue laser and i kept prefiring him bc i could see it

[gleaming totem]

that's for people who can't use T as soon as they hide in a building

[abstract swallow]

Wonder how much hipfire boost the new tac light and violet laser will have

[gleaming totem]

be me, equip laser and forget to turn it on again

[eternal sentinel]

this is the way

[gleaming totem]

I don't care about the hipfire, I care about the side effect and point cost

[eternal sentinel]

if ur getting shot cuz ur camping with a laser that means u cant rotate properly

[abstract swallow]

Lasers are best for close range combat

[plain sinew]

exactly, just look at the wall slightly to your left/right so your laser isnt peaking out. not that hard lol

[hearty kelp]

game's still dying, this is barely considered life support

[gleaming totem]

btw, lately it feels like I am seeing so many people using the flashlights again, and I just don't understand why people use them

[hearty kelp]

most people are gonna log in, get farmed by a heli/jet and then never touch again

[gleaming totem]

I just think they are TERRIBLE

[abstract swallow]

Only on shotgun

[eternal sentinel]

hipfire boost iirc

also they fuckin blind u when its dark

[gleaming totem]

but there are like a dozens of ways to get this

[abstract swallow]

Only 3 ways

[gleaming totem]

I think I have killed like 10 times more people from getting spotted by flashlights, than killed by them because I got blinded

[abstract swallow]

Be interested to see how it is in nightfall mode

[eternal sentinel]

i dont use flashlights cuz u do get spotted super easy

[gleaming totem]

and all of them feel more efficient. Could even use the higher laser instead

[abstract swallow]

Is there a new thermal sight too? I saw one in some footage

[hearty kelp]

also not to mention you have a cabal of people running an "anticheat" on BF3 and 4 that deliberately prevents you from playing the game you paid for

[abstract swallow]

Use all of them for a shotgun. It’s great

[gaunt bane]

Odd take, is the GRT-BC any good, i like using different guns, makes it more challenging, is this gun viable or not guys?

[eternal sentinel]

yeah

[bleak imp]

Think flashlight is bad for long range. Good for close range

[eternal sentinel]

its a more stable m4a1

but u lose some rpm

[abstract nexus]

Slower m4

[gaunt bane]

Ok cool thanks, ill give it a run

[abstract nexus]

Less horizontal shift

Not as beautiful

[eternal sentinel]

attachments are kinda annoying iirc

[devout horizon]

its been dying for about 8 years, its fine, people these days see a game with under 50k players and call it dead

[eternal sentinel]

i only have it at lvl 20

[gleaming totem]

everything that is not the new fortnite is a flop and dead

[devout horizon]

there are plenty of populated BF4 servers, game is very much alive and playable

[abstract swallow]

VCR vs M433?

[slow rapids]

it does disrupt people sometimes up close

[languid mural]

I like the VCR up close and M433 at range

[gaunt bane]

I'm almost level 20 as well with it 😅

[slow rapids]

the VCR is statistically better than the M433 in every way besides recoil

[eternal sentinel]

vcr for short range and m433 for most other applications

[languid mural]

also ppl are calling the game dead cuz the matchmaking is so shit that u get into bot lobbies if youre not queueing peak hours

[eternal sentinel]

m443 lowk beams at range super easy

[abstract swallow]

Tomorrow could help. Lots of issues being addressed

[devout horizon]

we are talking about bf4 not 6, 4 has server browser so it wont ever die till ppl stop hosting dedicated servers

[languid mural]

oh okay, I just saw game dead and assumed its about current game

[devout horizon]

people will call 6 dead despite it having 40k players on steam alone for some reason

[languid mural]

also VCR is a m4a1 but assault rifle so its good, its just that its a 5 shot after 9.5 meters where m433 stays a 4 shot for up to 20 I think? or 15

[eternal sentinel]

game is dead just uninstall, slopfield 6 is a bust

something something cod

[slow rapids]

ok bye 👋

[languid mural]

rugpullfield 6

[eternal sentinel]

these cod kiddies have the audacity to jump in a gunfight

codslop 6

[slow rapids]

ill have you know i jump AND prone in my gunfights

just to spite you

[gleaming totem]

m433 stays a 4 shot up to 21m IIRC

[eternal sentinel]

how dare u

[languid mural]

ye that checks out

[echo mantle]

Having situational awareness is woke and codslop smh

[gleaming totem]

like, most ARs at that drop point

[spiral parrot]

The 10 point handstop can be fun for a literal run and gun

[gaunt bane]

This is some witchcraft brother😅

[languid mural]

I dont prone in gunfights, but I do the cha-cha slide

[eternal sentinel]

minimap = codslop

[slow rapids]

🧙

[autumn pelican]

Who would win Trump/BattleFeild 2042?

[echo mantle]

What do you mean I need to clear out an area if there's still one dude hiding in an obj?

[languid mural]

well since the season 2 Ive just been abusing crouch strafing

or spamming crouch strafing

[gaunt bane]

Thanks, ill give it a try

[eternal sentinel]

the humble incendiary grenade

[abstract swallow]

I run the incen grenade and smoke launcher. Best of both worlds

[plush charm]

This is yet another reminder that the recent official announcement should have pregnant man emojie as one of the top three reacts, most likely #1

Historically speaking, of course

[echo mantle]

I'd like the icen launcher more if it wasn't kinda ass

[plush charm]

🫃 🫃 🫃

[gleaming totem]

it needs more dmg and some toggle for different range settings beyond 25m

[slow rapids]

this is a good choice, i like to run incendiary launcher with smoke nades or smoke launcher with incendiary nades depending on how aggressive i'm playing and what environment im in

[gleaming totem]

probably only the range would be fine

[echo mantle]

Yeah
Having preset distances for it would be cool

Like 25-50-75

[languid mural]

bro I used incen airburst once and thought it was so good

till I remembered I was in hardcore playlist lmao

it should be that damage tbh

[eternal sentinel]

🫃

[gleaming totem]

75 looks too much, I would already be happy with some 15/25/40 or stuff like that

[slow rapids]

its not good for kills, but its pretty good for zoning areas from people pushing you

[echo mantle]

Yeah but it doesn't last all too long

[eternal sentinel]

Thats actually rlly smart

[slow rapids]

the effect on the ground that sets you on fire is like 10 seconds

its just not as bright

[echo mantle]

If I'm hiding in a corner somewhere I'm running both incendiaries

I can deny an entire area with literally those two lmao

[gleaming totem]

It's just crazy that support got the two fun grenades, and everyone else got "something"

[livid quiver]

“Anti-Tank Mines now despawn 180 seconds after their owner is eliminated.” do we think this means if you lay mines, die, respawn (still as an engineer) your mines despawn?

that’s pretty wack if that’s the case. if it despawns after a class change then whatever

[gaunt bane]

Incendiary grenade launcher with Incendiary nades on a full squad of support all equipped that lane is blocked for good, people will ask for fire extinguishers to be added to the game 🤣

[languid mural]

yes, and its not wack considering u can change kits during one life and still have ur mines

[barren heath]

[eternal sentinel]

probably a good thing cuz vehicles are pretty week

[echo mantle]

Does smoke actually extinguish flames or is that just a myth I'm hearing

[slow rapids]

idk why we are back to the same issue we had in 2042 with smokes, we started with only support getting them and went eventually to giving them to all classes which made pushes 100x easier and encouraged teamplay, and we're back to square 1

[slow rapids]

they do, but the smoke itself has to plume inside the fire aoe

[livid quiver]

it’s wack if you REMAIN engineer tbh, it’s fully understandable if they despawn after a class change though

[echo mantle]

Damn

[gleaming totem]

180 seconds really long tho

[sinful harness]

Assault should get then at least, too.

[livid quiver]

for breakthrough yeah, but on conquest i like to place mines for the long-game. plenty of times they don’t get popped into 5-6 minutes later

[languid mural]

beta had them for everyone and idk why they changed that

[slow rapids]

theres really no reason not not give them to everyone

recons and engis have a lot of use for them too

[languid mural]

ye bro I dont think anyone wants to be popped by mines that were placed there absentmindedly at the start of the match

[sinful harness]

Recon doesn't need them. They stay in spawn anyway.

[languid mural]

the c4 needs them

[gleaming totem]

no no, engies need their mini grenades, and recons their throwing knifes

[cinder tundra]

Hope it doesn't include EOD mines I love my bot

[sinful harness]

C4 should be an engineer thing imo.

[echo mantle]

Also I wish the ammo bag wasn't the default for support players
The ammo pouch becomes redundant since you already have the former

[slow rapids]

tbqh defibs should be the class gadget

[sinful harness]

Would make more sense

[gleaming totem]

for combat medics with faster revive the defi is overrated tho

[echo mantle]

Bro I played bf1 yesterday and walked up to a tank as scout to place c4
I then realized assault gets c4 in that game, not scout like in bf6

[gleaming totem]

meanwhile, support with faster resupply just too strong anyways

[sinful harness]

😂 whoops

[livid quiver]

absent mindedly… i usually rush the enemy side on conquest start and place mines on a flank. first wave vehicle spawns wont hit them, but usually the next waves do as they try to position more creatively. Definitely not absent minded. Just an odd change because it’s pretty much been a core engineer tactic for all of battlefield.

The persistent mines after class change is the only thing that should be changed.

[gaunt bane]

Uh oh!

[gleaming totem]

bf1 has funny classes there too, with the assault being the guy with anti tank grenades and rockets

[bronze grail]

Every class could equip the light tank grenade

[echo mantle]

Kinda makes sense tho

[bronze grail]

[gleaming totem]

light tank grenade not the big one tho

[sinful harness]

Every class should have some form of anti tank weapon or equipment tbh.

[gleaming totem]

and the AT launcher was mostly the horse exterminator anyways

[bronze grail]

Open gadgets

Scout with supply bag

[slow rapids]

billions must BF2042

[sinful harness]

They wish they could kill me while I was on horse.

[bronze grail]

Engineer with the binoculars

[echo mantle]

Is the rkg only for engineer?

[gleaming totem]

Recon with spawn beacon... wait

[sinful harness]

#screenshots-and-clips message
Also, I was sniper with at rocket gun.

[echo mantle]

Me in bf4😭

[sinful harness]

Just open everything

[echo mantle]

Tbf they probably moved it to assault bc snipers would just place the beacon in an obnoxious spot so they can keep sniping there

[deep thorn]

the ones who didn't know how to use it properly anyways

[gleaming totem]

bf1 had many fun stuff...

Medic with the general liu, suddenly becoming a full on sniper.

Engineer with the Burton, a LMG that is actually an SMG, with fire ammunition to shoot down the freaking airships

[bronze grail]

You can use a sniper rifle as an assault so that point is moot

[sturdy quarry]

Poor canister shot for ifv and tanks being literally terrible and worthless.

[bronze grail]

[sinful harness]

It was so good.

[gaunt bane]

Is there a problem with the challenge " laser designate targets that sustain damage as recon"? My targets are painted, they get destroyed and I get no score tracked, is it bugged?

[devout horizon]

i like assaults kit now after playing with it except for the pen thing, idk what to do with that and just ignore it

[slow rapids]

now its assaults who can ladder up to an obnoxious spot and then spawn and M320 from up there instead 🥀

[echo mantle]

Yeah but it's not as good

[devout horizon]

theres almost no difference using weapons off class

it doesnt mater

[echo mantle]

You don't get the steady aim mechanic so you're just swaying all over the place

[bronze grail]

My dude I rarely ever need to stabilize my shots when using mini scout, assault sniper will do just fine

[deep thorn]

pen thing is for speed its when you are charging into areas and you wanna be fast

[devout horizon]

put acog on sniper and go, sway doesnt matter

[echo mantle]

I'm a 10x type of man

[devout horizon]

still mad every kind of scope gets a glint now on snipers

[slow rapids]

real ones put the 5x on the M44 and use that

[signal pier]

Is he new coming map all inside?

[bronze grail]

Real ones use RPG to counter snipe

[devout horizon]

used to only run snipers with x4 scopes in bf3/4 bc it had no glint, guess its iron sight sniping now

[lapis heart]

What are we complaining about today??

[echo mantle]

Sniping a guy camping on a mountain with an RPG is a dopamine rush

[bronze grail]

It's satisfying

[gleaming totem]

mortar are the hot cake... something something changes bad

[echo mantle]

Surprisingly I'm not seeing many running iron sights

[devout horizon]

its not a good idea

[echo mantle]

If at all

[signal pier]

Imagime being a sniper simply just tryna scout for your buddies and you just see a whole ass rocket bomb thing flying directly towards you lol

[devout horizon]

i just hate scope glint so i use irons on my snipers

[bronze grail]

Should've just stayed home

[gleaming totem]

scope glint not that strong in bf6 tho anyways

[echo mantle]

I only use irons for the sv98 since it's sweet spot is short anyways

[devout horizon]

weapon xp buff not being enough, 15% more is still nearly 3 times more kills for every attachment compared to older bf titles

[abstract swallow]

Anything outside the SCW range is perfect distance for the rpg

[bronze grail]

What's scw

[echo mantle]

The smg

[gaunt bane]

When there's a mountain full of Sniper Glints only an RPG can make them scatter..

[gleaming totem]

the crazy dmg SMG

[echo mantle]

I'm not a huge fan of the scw personally since I'm ass at aiming

I miss everything and leave the dude with like
20hp

[gleaming totem]

I mean, the point of the SCW is to fight at a distance you don't have to aim anyways

[bronze grail]

I only use p72 and sor 300c on engineer

[echo mantle]

You underestimate my incompetency

[rich torrent]

It's double of BF4 and that's only going by kills, not including assists or gadget destroys.

And that's for level 50, not just for attachments.

[sturdy quarry]

Not going to lie , BF6 has been super easy for any decent vehicle player , my stats just keep rising with no end in sight. #screenshots-and-clips message

[bronze grail]

Mostly the latter, it's a good compromise between fire rate and damage

[gleaming totem]

don't worry, I'm the same.

That's why I try to master the art of "shoot people into their back"

[bronze grail]

Also, with the right attachments, you can get the ads time down to 166ms

With the second green laser you get like what, 81 pts in hip fire?

People are sleeping on that gun fr fr

[abstract swallow]

Hipfire build is perfect for bad aimers

[bronze grail]

That's me!

[gaunt bane]

Im struggling to fly, Yaw and Roll kinda bugging me

[sturdy quarry]

personally I have it basically default with just higher sensitivity.

[abstract swallow]

It’s a skill that takes practice for sure

[bronze grail]

I tried flying, and all the jets feel as if they are made out of paper mache

No weight or anything

Are those jets or gliders with glowing leaf blowers?

[gaunt bane]

Can you send me your settings, if you dont mind brother 🙏

[echo mantle]

I can fly the helis pretty well but aiming the fucking weapons is my Achilles heel

The amount of times I've missed while using the tow in the attack heli is pain

[gleaming totem]

so far I still stay away from the aircrafts

[bronze grail]

I stay away from all vehicles most of the time

[gleaming totem]

they are rarely available to get inside, and I would need too much practice right now to be useful at all

[echo mantle]

I use the MP5, qbz, or m417 if I'm feeling spicy

[gleaming totem]

I mean, sometimes I get into the tanks. Especially if I can steal an enemy one freshly spawned at some objective

[abstract swallow]

Same with me. Can fly decent but aiming while flying is hard

[bronze grail]

You get peppered with RPGs and mines the second you peep out anyway so having a repair fellow stuck to your ass is essential

[crimson garden]

Tomorrow, Penguin plan on nice cake due to BF6 Season 2 Nightfall launch! 🎂

[sturdy quarry]

I stay away from infantry , I just go on a 50 kill streak very other game with vehicles and do better there.

[echo mantle]

Yep
Honestly I stopped using improved armor for the mbt so I can have faster reloads

[bronze grail]

Some people just blindly rush forward in if, straight into a minefield

[gleaming totem]

Tanks driving into mines makes me scream out the most

[rose inlet]

Not this guy again 😫

[bronze grail]

Haha I hope your helicopter crashes and burns every time you take off

[echo mantle]

Especially when I call them out in team chat

[abstract swallow]

I’m awesome in ground armory. My first mastery badge was IFV

[echo mantle]

[gleaming totem]

issue is, many times you can just pinpoint a loss based on enemy tankers being great, with your tanks being on suicide watch

[bronze grail]

Machine Gunner on a tank: what is disable mines?

[crimson garden]

Hello friend! Penguin glad to see you in chat again, hoping everything is alright over there and new update will work out well tomorrow! ❤️ 😃

[gleaming totem]

doesn't help if the cooldown is too long, and the driver gonna catch them all

[echo mantle]

YEAH
LIKE DUDE IT GIVES YOU A BIG ASS PROMPT AND I HAVE IT EQUIPPED FOR A REASON‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[bronze grail]

I press it as soon as it appears

And take out the rest with the gun

[rose inlet]

Everything will be alright once they start adding bigger maps, and more maps

[gleaming totem]

that's the trap.

1 mine disabled, 6 more on the road

[sturdy quarry]

Its just default with maybe the pitch changed cause I think default is inverted . so up on the mouse is up for me in the chopper instead of flipped , aircraft sensitivity is maxed , at 200 , same with heli , 200

[abstract swallow]

Aren’t they nerfing tank and IFV maneuverability?

[bronze grail]

Machine gun goes pewpewpeeew

[bronze grail]

They are nerfing vehicles? Why?

[gleaming totem]

pretty sure they buffed IFV maneuver?

[echo mantle]

Dude I have like
Mastery 90 on both the tank and ifv
I'm too good at it but I also wanna play ground infantry 🥹

[bronze grail]

I wish they nerfed the planes

But that will never happen, oh no sir, the ace combat fanatics will be mad

[echo mantle]

Dude the vehicles already maneuver like shit

[gaunt bane]

Thanks ill give it a shot in Ace Pursuit Portal, appreciate it man.

[sturdy quarry]

Why haha , I'm just more useful to the team destroying the other team with tanks and choppers and not be on the ground as a guy with an smg.

[sturdy quarry]

No worries!

[bronze grail]

The humble glaive:

[gleaming totem]

Increased braking power for tanks.
Increased health of the UH-79 by 20% across all multiplayer modes (excluding Battle Royale).

[echo mantle]

I stay around objectives and engage any armor or infantry that pushes to it tbh

Or I go on a wide ass flank with the ifv and do a push

[sturdy quarry]

blackhawk needs more health , thing will still die too quickly , it literally needs a doubling of health.

[bronze grail]

By the way, that one rocket launcher that's supposed to "execute a top down attack" is bullcrap, it never does that

[echo mantle]

The igla is also broken

[bronze grail]

It just flies straight at the tank

[gleaming totem]

Honestly, we still need better anti air rockets tho.

It's absurd that the best anti air weapon is some RPG

[sturdy quarry]

which one?

[echo mantle]

Literally
The RPG is the only good launcher

I want the SMAW back

[bronze grail]

Igla is complete garbage, what's the point of a laser lock on if it loses lock the moment flares are involved?

[devout horizon]

you had 1 of every attachment excluding cosmetic variations in like 200 kills in bf4 + weapon battlepacks every 50? kills, 6 is not double bf4, its like 4 times more

[crimson garden]

Team Penguin got accused of not playing fairly last match😮 simply did what's always done, lay out mines, RPG rockets etc on vehicles, shoot those who are hopping out of vehicles, normal gameplay 😃 😎

[bronze grail]

It's not a goddamn heat seeking fire and forget system

[echo mantle]

I need variety in my launchers
Not just aim guided vs dumb rockets

[bronze grail]

I forgot the name

Glaive works fine, the other one doesn't

[gleaming totem]

I think it's at least possible to have fun with the javelin too, but it's way too niche, and RPG is just 10 times better in 99 out of 100 times

[sturdy quarry]

its a tough balancing choice there , if AA infantry rockets were super good , the maps being this small you could not fly at all and would just die since you can lock targets across the whole map , all lock on missiles are generally just bad , cause flares exist and work fast.

[bronze grail]

The fat tube one

[echo mantle]

The nlaw

[abstract swallow]

Yeah I’m wrong

[bronze grail]

Yeah this

I guess the tank needs to be painted for that to work?

🤨

[sturdy quarry]

That launcher does do top down tho , it literally always does the same damage every hit , it only climbs to hit the tank at the last second.

[echo mantle]

Idk
It guides itself so I don't think t should matter

Unlike the javelin that requires a lock on

[bronze grail]

I've never seen it do it, it flies straight at the tank and never diverges from.the course

[sturdy quarry]

its pretty good in mass , 4 guys with it can just long range instant kill tanks.

[bronze grail]

Whether you fire it from straight ahead, side or from above the tank

It does shit damage too

[echo mantle]

It's deadly if you don't have countermeasures up

[sturdy quarry]

It pops up about 30 meters away from the tank and then drops onto it , it does about 200 ish damage , no matter how you fire cause it top attacks.

[gleaming totem]

AA lock on is just the most unfun thing I have ever seen in such a game.

Lock on
) Flares
Lock on
) Interrupted by tree
Lock on
) TOO LOW
)Lock on
)TOO FAR
Lock On
Flares again.
Lock on. FIRE
Flies right into a the landscape

[abstract swallow]

Yeah they are nerfing the tow missile from ground armor. Not maneuverability

[bronze grail]

Dude I can get a 400+ damage with an rpg if I hit a tank or an ifv between the tracks from the side

Nlaw is trash

[gleaming totem]

besides, Anti air is just outright unusable on manhatten bridge or liberation peak by default

[echo mantle]

You can lock on an aircraft that just used its flares and it'll still go for the flares even though it literally locked on the plane itself
It's so stupid

[sturdy quarry]

Me the guy that never gets out of tanks , literally never running countermeasures , you really don't need them , they are good sure but they don't allow you to perform as well as without countermeasures , enhanced loading and repair is better if you can land your shots.

[gleaming totem]

It's just absurdly unfun

[crimson garden]

Penguin question: ESR sniper rifle vs SV-98?

[bronze grail]

200 damage per hit with nlaw? I regularly get more with rpg

[echo mantle]

Esr for all rounder
Sv98 for smaller maps

[gleaming totem]

and then you can watch the mastery 100 pilot go get his 80/2 stats on manhatten bridge, because no one can hit him anyways

[bronze grail]

200+ to mid 300 pts of damage

[abstract swallow]

Imo if a map has jets it should have mobile AA

[echo mantle]

I run it since I actually play around infantry

[sturdy quarry]

it can do this without a perfect shot , like you can miss by like 5 degrees and it still hits , pretty much its one use case , longer range , rpg can be dodged by vehicles , that thing basically can't be

[echo mantle]

If I was sniping from a corner with the Abrams I'd equip the fast repair

[bronze grail]

Oh please, if you have countermeasures equipped, nlaw is nullified

[slow rapids]

SV98 is the best aggressive sniper since it has a much shorter sweet spot at 50-90 meters

[echo mantle]

It not having a flash hider is a huge nerf though

[bronze grail]

If the tank driver is distracted, they won't dodge the first rpg shot 99% of the time

[echo mantle]

The suppressor is 30 points

And doesn't unlock until like
Level 44

[sturdy quarry]

If you have countermeasures most things besides tank ap shots are nullfied , but its only for a few seconds , I just don't run counter measures at all , repair is better , it can't be seen , can't be predicted , and is not a shoot me in about 3 seconds beacon.

[bronze grail]

nah, I'd win

[slow rapids]

meh, id rather run suppressor anyways

[rich torrent]

To get level 50 in BF6 is 1,200 kills, attachments stop at 39 so BF6 is actually less than double of BF4 since BF4 was 500 kills for all attachments.

Before this buff to weapon XP, I had all attachments for a weapon and got it to level 50 within 600 to 740 kills.

[sturdy quarry]

Me easily going 6 games back to back without deaths in a tank , no I don't think you will haha

[bronze grail]

Nah I'd win

[gleaming totem]

You say it that countermeasures can be seen by the ultra bright green light, but in my experience most people still ignore it and just shoot their RPGs anyways 😬

[echo mantle]

APS is amazing against ifvs though
Invincible to the auto cannon and atgm, along with any infantry that hops out

[hazy yoke]

Lf3 NAE only good vibes sweating out dubs all night https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/1483226180667707515

[bronze grail]

I could go without a death in a tank if I had a clump of lemmings repairing me

[echo mantle]

This guy definitely camps on the mountain at firestorm

[sturdy quarry]

The covering of your infantry next to you sounds pretty good , never taught of that.

[slow rapids]

as a LONG time tanker, i honestly think thermal smoke is generally more useful than APS in BF6

because you can instant-deny LAWs, and block LOS

the windup ruins APS

[devout horizon]

its about 150 kills for 1 of every attachment that matters, red dot/acog, straight/angled/stubby, heavy barrel, supressors, muzzlebreak/comp. Everything else beyond that was cosmetic alternatives for those attachments, you had everything that mattered in a fraction of the time in bf4. In 6, the mechanical attachments take far far long to aquire

[sturdy quarry]

half my kills are with the coax mg so definitely can't do that haha , also can't get 20 ish vehicle kills every game sitting on a hill , good games get around 30-35.

[echo mantle]

But they don't work against people that use RPGs
And people that use the RPG are generally more competent AT in my experience

[devout horizon]

200 kills to outfit a gun in bf4, vs 700? 800? in 6?

[slow rapids]

with heavy armour you only take like 180 damage to the nose from an RPG, and after a smoke pop a lot of people blindly shoot through the smoke trying to hit you, which is pretty easy to predict and move out of the way from

[echo mantle]

I can't remember if you can run suppressor and the straight pull bolt on the sv98 simultaneously

[slow rapids]

you can (source: i do it)

[rich torrent]

The first 20 levels are extremely fast and can be done within 5 games for the average player, this sets you up with more than enough attachments.

[sturdy quarry]

Its mainly a problem vs aircraft to me , choppers and attack jets will know when you use it and aim for you next.

[devout horizon]

but its not all of them and not the best of them and in most cases not even a supressor

bf6 attachment system is a terribly thought out grind

[echo mantle]

I.e.
2 magazines, 1 foregrip, and 20000 scopes

[devout horizon]

actively pushes players away from the game

and yeah all the scope fodder is so dumb

[echo mantle]

TFW I level up a weapon and I unlock a 1x sight

[rich torrent]

Again, the kill difference between 4 and 6 isn't what you think it is.

[devout horizon]

200 for everyhing vs more than 200 for everything

[rich torrent]

Depends on the gun.

[crimson garden]

Penguin play Battlefield 6

[devout horizon]

the system in 6 is the worst attachment system we've had

[rich torrent]

Level 50 can be obtained at 600 (100 more than BF4) and attachments stop at 39.

Your "4x longer" argument is wrong.

[gleaming totem]

most of the stuff can be unlocked within level 20, and beyond that it's just about going into detail.

30 point supressor instead of the 20 one, stuff like that

[crimson garden]

Penguin noticed SV 98 tend to do 98 damage sometimes = not good 👈 What's up with that?

[rich torrent]

See this person gets it.

[gleaming totem]

some guns have their thermal scope hidden at the top tho

but that's like the only thing

[echo mantle]

True
But im mostly scared of the one guy in every lobby that actually knows how to use the RPG
The dude that goes for a mobility kill first

[rich torrent]

The VCR for example gets some of its best attachments extremely early.

[gleaming totem]

I got the stubby for the new LMG at level 17, and my build is done until I get thermal scope 1.5 at 33, that's it

and honestly, thermal scope is not that important anyways

I just want to get a LMG with it :D

[slow rapids]

Yeah, i just think on average game-by-game i get more consistent use out of the smoke, especially since it lingers longer than APS, and any LAW shot THROUGH the smoke also wont lock you

which is huge for creating a barrier to retreat from

[worldly trail]

It's like 1000 kills in BF6 though

[rich torrent]

I also think something as "ratty" as a thermal should be unlocked later too.

[rich torrent]

It's 1,200 for level 50 and that's not including assists or gadget destroys.

[worldly trail]

That's wayyy too many kills

[rich torrent]

Attachments stop at 39.

[echo mantle]

Just difference in play styles then ig
I get into more situations where the APS is useful for me

[rich torrent]

Not when attachments stop at 39.

[echo mantle]

Sweet spot

[gleaming totem]

the slowest progress goes from 40 to 50, and at 40 you already have all the attachments

tomorrow it will go even more extreme

[worldly trail]

What do you get on the last 10 levels? I've only maxed like 1 gun

[gleaming totem]

NOTHING.

There is nothing from 40 to 50

[rich torrent]

Nothing between 39 and 50 except cosmetics.

[gleaming totem]

Not even cosmetics, last camos are always at 40

[rich torrent]

Mastery at 50.

[worldly trail]

Oh OK. But still thats like 800 kills then. More than 3x BF4 grindiness

[gleaming totem]

yeah, that too

[slow rapids]

Yeah, i think APS has plenty of good uses - i just really dislike not being able to react-counter incoming rockets, and the LONG cooldown for short uptime. Smoke is like 5s shorter cooldown and like 5s longer uptime

[rich torrent]

BF4 was 500 kills and didn't include assiats or gadget destroys.

[echo mantle]

Actually I realized I kinda do that too except I'm usually pretty close to an obj
I'd just find a hull down spot by an objective and hold there for a bit unless our team's defense is good enough for me to push

[worldly trail]

Oh ya your right 500. I was thinking 250.

[gleaming totem]

Probably even less than 800, and it will be reduced quite a bit tomorrow too.

And again, you get most of the stuff way before.

[worldly trail]

They only making it 15% faster

[gleaming totem]

15% faster for 50

New XP Curve, with a reduced XP requirement, about twice as fast in the early ranks and 15% faster in total.

[rich torrent]

With the changes tomorrow, I'll be able to get level 50 easily at 600 kills including gadgets and assists.

[worldly trail]

I think it will be decent considering you do unlock suppressors earlier on, despite their nerf

[slow rapids]

your name hurts my soul

[rich torrent]

It's the only way to make shotguns consistent. 😭

Genuinely don't understand how you can mess up buckshot in a shooter.

[slow rapids]

i agree, but also im traumatized by it

[gleaming totem]

It's so weird, for sure... but they also messed up the dp-12 originally. How can you mess up a double barrel shotgun?

I had so much fun with shotguns in BF1, but they feel so weird to me here in BF6

[rich torrent]

That's understandable tbh, the plays I've pulled off in the last 4 days of using it have been crazy.

[slow rapids]

if i had a dollar for every time ive ego-challenged a guy who had a sniper rifle just for me to get BLASTED with a slug

[torpid heart]

i mean it was good in the beta.... they kinda overcorrected

[echo mantle]

The best game I had in armor was at Cairo with the Bradley
Got 71 kills and 6 deaths, will always remember the engineers repairing me 😭

[worldly trail]

It was too good in the BETA

[echo mantle]

Can't remember if it was conquest or escalation

[rich torrent]

Right??

I was 7th in the world for the Model 10-A Hunter, it felt how a shotgun should feel.

Get to BF6 and I don't even want to touch any shotgun unless it's the M87 with Slugs.

[worldly trail]

Shotguns always hard to balance in shooting games though

[echo mantle]

My only issue with shotguns in bf1 is the range
But other than that, they generally felt really good to use

[worldly trail]

Escape from Tarkov has some of the best shotguns in terms of both realism and fun

[gleaming totem]

I enjoed the model 1900 or the sjörgen more too, but yeah, they were fun, and it felt balanced between buckshot and slugs

[charred rose]

Make the db 12 have something other than foam loaded into the chamber

[rich torrent]

True but it's typically hard to balance due to them being overtuned, how do you make a shotgun weak - that's crazy to me.

[worldly trail]

I'll have to try slugs man

[gleaming totem]

They just know that slugs are 100 times better than buckshots in bf6, because they sell them for like 40 attachment points

they should be a side grade, no upgrade

[worldly trail]

Ya it's like all your points

[gleaming totem]

still better than the hot water gun called "assault's fire shotgun"

[rich torrent]

Saiga needs a drum mag, the m10 is fine I guess - the DB12 may aswell be removed from the game.

But honestly if buckshot was consistent then most shotguns would be better.

[torpid heart]

me wanting the GEN12 900 rpm shotgun added to the game... just give it like 25 damage to balance the fire rate

[echo mantle]

Also coming back to bf4 makes me realize how small bf6 maps are
A map that has points A-H on conquest is fucking insane 😭

[gleaming totem]

ehhh, DB12 is at least useable now after the last buff

[quartz karma]

@simple spruce homie

[gleaming totem]

not good, but useable

It's just weird that the DB12 is now less a double barrel, and more your average semi auto

[torpid heart]

the problem is the way the spread on the pellets is calculated, it cannot be improved

[gleaming totem]

different choke attachments.

Peak shotgun game

[charred rose]

Real I never see anyone using it ever

[echo mantle]

I wanna use the dp12 because it's hot as hell in gfl 🤤

[gleaming totem]

No 👀

[abstract swallow]

Progression and Battle Pass Reliability: Delivered a broad progression consistency pass, correcting Battle Pass tiers, token calculations, End of Round rewards, accolade tracking, challenge criteria discrepancies, and stat inconsistencies.

I wonder if this means we will get to actually track the accolades we get instead of them just flying by in a second

[torpid heart]

i mean with the slugs the db12 has a what? 167ms ttk if you can hit both shots?

[gleaming totem]

me, playing king of the hill with the gun, for the assault challange:

Shooting a guy two times in the back, point blank: needs a third shot

[old crater]

Question, since I use the sledge hammer for takedown, is it more annoying than a knife?

[rich torrent]

That's also something I find a bit odd, shotguns have no barrel attachment and only suppressors for the muzzle.

Both of these are honestly why buckshot is terrible tbh.

[gleaming totem]

If you want the max annoying takedown, you will have to wait for the upcoming ultra cringe machete

[echo mantle]

I think of it like:
The buckshot breaks the skin and the incendiary effect is like pissing on the open wound that you made, it's painful but relatively not deadly

[torpid heart]

they cant change barrel either... you could easily add chokes there

except the saiga

[old crater]

Hmm, I am a menace to campers, mostly because I claimed 10 dog tags from the same guy in a single match, I'll use the sledge hammer

[signal pier]

Poo poo butthole

[gleaming totem]

Hell, I don't need a silencer on a shotgun, just give me the choke on front there

[echo mantle]

If android, why hot

[signal pier]

Can you actually put a silencer on a shotgun?

[gleaming totem]

silencer on the db12 is an absolute unit, I love it

[jovial dragon]

Anyone know of any good exp code to practice flying. All the ones im finding in Community are not working

[signal pier]

LMFAO

[jovial dragon]

I took apart my joystick to fix a couple of wires, and wanna test it out without getting in a full game

[echo mantle]

Sledgehammer is a better all rounder
The knife doesn't do shit when it comes to destroying objects, I only use it for the sprint speed bonus

Plus the defib and repair torch give you the same sprint speed buff when equipped

[gleaming totem]

barely use the knife anymore.

Assault has sprint speed with the stim.
Engineer and Support has sprint speed with repair tool / defi
Recon, well, needs to pull out handgun then

like, the minimal improvment between handgun / knife isn't worth the utility of tearing down a wall in my eyes

[echo mantle]

Even destroying deployables is hard with the knife

[gleaming totem]

and technically you are at least not 100% defenseless with the handgun in hand

[echo mantle]

The amount of times I've walked up to a proxy sensor and the knife just not destroying or registering hits is so fucking ass

[gleaming totem]

melee against other enemies feel terrible tho, because of the ultra long 200ms delay

well, time to go to sleep, until tomorrow with phase 2 of season 2 🫡

[torpid heart]

i just want a full auto shotgun.....

[tired flower]

After reading DICE's reasoning for the mortar changes, I am even more baffled. I am starting to genuinely think they do not play BT. Mortars are already annoying and effective in BT so WHY are they making it WORSE!?

[slow rapids]

it was absurdly busted in the beta and got put to sleep

[tired flower]

I wish it was good

[charred rose]

Ah that makes sense. Reactionary nuking of the thing so it becomes almost useless. Like how they tried to take my sliding away.

[hearty kelp]

wait till you see how miserable the "glaive" is

[bronze grail]

It's pretty reliable

[hearty kelp]

dice seemingly doesn't care that it's literally the worst launcher in the game

[bronze grail]

[hearty kelp]

yeah reliably ASS compared to the RPG

[charred rose]

You can lock on again

[bronze grail]

Before I reload, the jet is already out of range

[torpid heart]

95% of the pilots will be far and away from you at that point

[bronze grail]

[slow rapids]

they gave it the M1014 buckshot damage model + fire burn

you can guess how that went