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Thatโs when I run M123k
the devs are from all over the place. i doubt even half of the team have worked on cod titles
ONE dev maybe a handful aswell as PEAK cods not this new ai slop
Ok well Google it bro
yeah but the leadership is COD dudes. Byron Beade or whatever
the lead dev was legit fps jesus
the Leadership are Cod vets The leadership Made the game not the regular dudes
so i mean it dont really matter how many there are if they are at the top
Anybody know how to enable resource indicators in settings? I couldnt find that setting
cuz they dont like player retention
engagement
I would've been mad back in the day if they had told me carrier assault was some LTM
when update ?
https://medal.tv/games/battlefield-6/clips/lSnjND9neLhbmDgp0 how I wasnโt shot down with a tow RPG or some mindless rat on the mountain is beyond ME

you use the uparmored upgrade and a tow to anywhere but your face will not kill ya if your at %100
so... Monte Grappe is bigger than contaminated, i take it?
look how they massacred my boy
lol season 2 is chill
tbf i think season 2 is going in the right direction after reading all of it
S3 will a Sea Invasion
yeah?
why you think that
well it would be a shame to let games from 20 years ago Show up your multi million dollar flagship so
read the patch notes. 80% of my pet peeves are getting fixed except the molotov issue / jet issues. the skins are getting toned down and all the stupid skulls removed
molotov?
oh yeah. some of the fixes seem good like nerfing the stupid slide jump.
anyone that was expecting ginormous maps even tho it takes months to design and launch feedback to get incorperated is delusional
jet issues??
bro they have 1300 plus devs
yeah they expand the longer they are lit on fire. but the fire animations do not spread with its hitbox
no customization / barely playable on the few maps that have jets
Wtf is a molotov you mean the incindeary grenade?
molotovs are not in this game
dont be so pedantic. you both understood i ment the fire nade
they bringing customized jet loadouts back ?? I gotta read the notes
miss those rocket pods lol
not yet, thats one of my complaints
no, it's totally different, not the same, at all
make the A10 great again
^
the incind nade we have in bf6 is not thermite lmao.
MORE DAKKA
its kinda shocking they arent adressing jets/fire nades in s2 patch
When people type molotov, I think of an actual molotov, just saying..
lol
hope the fire stuff gets fixed soon. you so much as look at one and it hits you
sea update= duck floatie . thanks dice
dont diss on the duck
they've had since the BETA to incorporate feedback about large maps. that's plenty of time with how many people work on the game. It's just the style of action packed game they're going for, not that they can't make them. IMHO.
yeah, want to storm the beach again!
in a fan man
the nade we have in bf6 is not thermite. watch a yt video on a thermite reaction. it does not do what the nade in bf6 does
Or put us on a Florida map with Fanboats
honestly a swamp map would go so hard
I mean do any smoke grenades do what they do in bf6
its just wild who is being pendantic now lmao
okay but when are they bringing McKay back as an operator?
did he leave?
i'm just messing lol
isnt he already in the game? saw a post around launch that the last skin from the 2042 road to bf6 pass is supposedly him but in a mask?
oh shit is he really lol that's hilarious. had no idea
dont be sad
that's just how things work out sometimes dammit you beat me to it lmao
those voicelines will never not be funny
it was commedy gold
or its "rao" who ever that is
yeah, Irish was cool with his grey beard, he should be in every BF game lol
if they really gonna stick with the semi-operator thing lol
we got the other guy from the bf4 campain but they butchered the way he looks
oh.. yeah I can't recall his name. he was good character though
we already have the bf4 chinese engineer. id pay for the other ones. they had SO much drip
This match Penguin had some French guy in squad during TDM yelling some words in French every time something happened during match ๐ฃ Match actually pretty balanced for once โ๏ธ
Penguin don't understand a word French, but could understand he was very much focused and enjoying the game
๐
97 vs 97 points left. Enemy did mistake of rushing the last part, Penguin last 3 kills = win ๐ Loud mic celebration in French ๐ฃ
do they not realize their mic is open or do they not care
Lol they can be funny, joined an all French Squad server once. that was interesting. they told me they didn't speak Big Mac
That guy seemed to be using Push to talk and still decided to go on like that. At least it was the friendly kind of being loud in mic according to Penguin โ
ive seen most and i like most ngl
i do NOT wanna hear someones child or someone eating
Seriously, how hard it is fr ppl to turn off their mics
Another reason for PC to have crossplay option lol
yeah, although alot and i mean ALOT of people do not understand the people that make the skins are not the same as map designers. and that maps will take up till season 3 at best and probably season 4 to see feedback implemented
seriously yall know what we need... dual wield m44s with underbarrel Grenade launchers 10x scopes with Frag frounds
i do want it ngl. even if the average match will take longer or be harder
i need my mares leg 40x scope ngl
we lowk just need more guns gadgets vehicles and maps thats the Battlefield Steak & Potatos
Most often in Penguin lobbies, there's often one Xbox player broadcasting mic constantly. Question is, why so often the Xbox players and not others?
and those WILL come with time. its just the average gamer sticks to a game for 2-4 months before going to the next "big" thing
its never a pc player lol
sg553 nerf 
No one cares about limited time stuff. I hated that snow event modifier on the NY map. On top of that, the map is horrible.
Frostbite feature was kinda goofy ngl
the map has grown on me. and tbh the healing mechanic was entertaining to me. however that other limited time mode? whatever its name was. that was so bad
The red bull one?
nah the game mode not the passes
Penguin actually do care about limited time events and looking forward to it too, but the spooky part ๐ฑ If the mode is lots of fun and then gone forever? = sad moment ๐ข This is the main worry friend
i honestly didnt mind the red bull event and the can on my gun amsues me
this is my major gripe. i played 2042 for a time with some friends and there was this mode that was like rush. but defenders could push you back zones and that was a S tier mode. and then POOF it was gone
See i don't even remember the other limited time stuff. That's how forgetful they are
there was this mediocre asf mode where you shot boxes and that was it
Precisely friend, you understand it spot on ๐ฏ Penguin don't want too many community members to go through that happening too many times. Fun mode disappearing = not fair
before they do a weird change that alienates half the playerbase
also nerfling slide range and not speed is uhh. interesting
I mean, that's the problem with 2 Sides of BF.
bf1 had sliding that would have fit well into this game ngl.
You got the Players that know what they want and the Factually Incorrect Redditors.
i have seen the odd good opinion on reddit. but i disagree with most posts i see on the main sub ngl. i played the old titles but i do prefer the faster pace of bf6 over 4
BF6 doesn't even feel that fast.
Penguin seen many arguments about ''not splitting the player base'' when it comes to limited modes. Simple logic: If the player base have modes to choose from that they enjoy, then they will stay. Without it there won't be much of a playerbase to ''split'' in the first place ๐
base sprint speed is slower than bf4. its not BUT the sliding, jumping, vaulting and crouch (running) are faster. + a insane fast ttk and smaller maps make it feel alot faster
what really split the playerbase was paid dlc maps.
It's weird that with the exceptions of Machine Guns, every other Weapon has the same Movement Speed.
Yep. I don't even think you could jump after the slide. I loved BF1 version of it.
Only differing in Zoom Straffing Speed.
its only viable point blank tbf
What was air strafing in BF4? Maybe I saw it and just didn't know it was called that.
i do like this, but snipers shouldnt be able to strafe and go up down up down like a ar. i think this game would benefit from a slide/crouch spam cooldown thats already on the jumping. like cs2
moving left/right while already in the air. with your mouse or A/D keys
Ok I played that game on console so maybe they just didn't do it as much on there. I didn't remember it.
Thanks
This is also true friend. Penguin argument is of course: Split player-base or not, at least it is a player-base rather than none. For people to stay longterm they will need to have modes that they enjoy. Even if that happens at the cost of having ''split-player base'', let it happen.
Penguin hopes that made any sense ๐ง
Jesus yeah. I have seen that just didn't too often. ๐คฎ
Quake like is apropos ๐
The maps in this game in general are horrible
I miss the OG BF3 Maps
Cairo is a decent map
thank god lol the radar now is a mere visual aesthetic that serves zero purpose
Who buying bf pro pass
@tribal zodiac I'm playing on a 1080p screen right now cause I'm travelling and honest to God bro, even on high/ ultra graphical settings I still don't get how you do it, especially how you snipe at anything, most dudes at 300m are like 4 pixels wide
Like I'm still getting kills just it hurts
To look at
could try to up the resolution scale in the advanced graphics setting. lowers fps but stuff in the distance can appear sharper
i doubt i will, i got 17 hours and 45 mins of double xp tokens and finished s1 in early december. if you do all weeklies you do not need tier skips tbh
Yeah Iโm thinking if I should or not
did you manage to finish s1?
Yeah I did couple weeks back
then i doubt you will "need" it. but the tier skips can help getting a gun quicker
Yeah the new guns
What if those tokens disappear when s2 starts
lmao then im outtie. i got 12 of those from the "compensation" of the day 1 outage
Knowing DICE n EA, they will pull this trick for sure.
Doing all weeklies donโt give you enough to finish the bp im two tiers away and everything is done
i dont think so, cod tried this when going from 1 game to the follow up and back paddled
all 160 of them + every weekly bonus one?
tbh 2 tiers is doable in 1 play sesh
when will the s2 update be available?
Thank you
Tomorrow.
You progress ur BP only with those tokens i believe. There is no natural progression. In a week you can only progress so much
obviously but what time in the morning, at midnight
this is the case on the extra seasonal passes. like the icelock one and redbull one
Ok, that's fair then. Lets not give any more ideas
Fix the DX errors on AMD GPUS.
You're embarrassing at this point.
That's a you problem
yeah right.
That's why I'm only having issues with BF6
Majority of them own NVIDIA GPUs but that doesn't mean you ignore the other one
I just watched jackfrags video on the new S2 content (he was allowed to release it today) and the little bird looks sooo OP. That shit's gonna get nerfed hard.
Well, it better anyway. lol
Ai bots are clankers guess the clone troopers were right all along
dw nvidia gpus crash to, sometimes
i crash if the game is open for a long time and i have the top 3 settings on overkill.
it will get rpgd so quick....
what time is season 2
im watching jackfrags play the new map, what is the point of the gas
This discord is going to be constant whining about the little bird, bet
like genuinely
5pm central eu is all i know.
cant wait fdor reddit
I think the gas is a fun gimmick, not to be taken too seriously. I don't mind it at all tbh.
i have seen 0 videos on it and will form my opinion tomorrow
Penguin link with nice countdowntimer from EA โฐ https://www.ea.com/en/games/battlefield/battlefield-6/seasons/bf6-season-2
yeah but its like they waste time on gimmicks like that for what reason?
If you're curious check jackfrags on YT. He's a good one to watch in general.
okay ill wake up at 11am
more people will complain about "cheating" whilst they shoot imaginary people in the gas
i saw his bad aim and clicked off
I doubt all that much time was wasted on it lol It adds an interesting dynamic to parts of the map.
i dont watch any of the current battlefdield youtubers since they regurgitate the same standpoints over and over and over.
Jackfrags is a great player you're kidding
not hard to be great but he aint no sweat
it makes you hallucinate other players, thats it
The same points as this discord regurgitates over and over?
just noticed the name change lol 
Which is why I like him lol He's humble and captures great moments.
i see more varying opinions here than on the reddit/yt tbh
Jack is a joke these days. Every is how amazing everything is then he 180's so fast in the next one
the m277 buff is gonna be fun
m277 buff will be pointless when m433 is buffed
battlefield X is still undefeated / X battlefield is still the best
Jack's thumbnails are clickbaity for sure but that doesn't bother me. His content is good.
probably, also do we know what the vague as fuck ak205 patchnotes mean. will they remove the nonexistent recoil or give it recoil to enshittify it more
why do all battlefield youtubers thumbnails have a mid reload animation
they press the inspect button and call it a day
Yeah the gun inspect thumbnail's been the standard since like Warzone lol
i wasnt in that sphere when it was big / blew up so i didnt know lol. so its more repatative and uninspired then i even thought
anyone see jackfrags video? the nightvision mode looked pretty interesting
i do get it, if they dont have drama they dont get paid
I'm just saying it's been outdone for a long time, not "I was there when you weren't"
Penguin at least big fan of nice M433 buff, always liked using that assault rifle ๐
Yup you're like the third to mention jack in the past 10 minutes haha
my bad. lol
Naw just funny
has anyone seen jackfrags new video why is aim so bad for someone that plays too much
Why you hating lol
anyone
I saw footage of the new map and the orange gas is pretty cool
Agreed
Maybe increasing the Minimum Damage to not be a 9 Shot Kill?
According to Penguin it's nice people sometimes post content from BF6, may it be from famous channels or not
BF6 visibility = cool ๐
I think ak205 should stay the same. Buff the damage and keep the low recoil and it becomes a monster. Other way around and it'll be useless. Buff damage and increase recoil and it has no identity.
fun gun yeah but it does feel like you're shooting nerf darts
If you take out the LTM stuff this season, itโs 50% of the roadmap๐ญ
It's gotta be used mid-long range
see and that's weird too. like, how does a gun get better damage at longer range
Is it just tied to the game mode? The gas?
it doesnt
the gun cant even be used mid range
i believe the UMP works that way too. it's worse close range? ok feel free to correct me, I haven't dug in to the stats
It doesn't get better at long range but it stands a chance at longer range because it won't outshoot close range.
okay I gotcha
Unless it gets a Range increase and a Minimum Damage Buff, it'll remain weak.
But it's a niche weapon because there are better mid-long range options lol
Is there anyone that would oppose snipers being nerfed?
Uhhh good question
a buffed ak205 is just the sor556
I donโt think so, itโs default of the map not tied to any game mode
I think the snipers are kind of fine. Maybe the mini scout could use an adjustment but I haven't felt like it's a problem in its current state
never been easier to snipe how it is in BF6
Yes I'm crap with them and it's the first one where I can kill people
I love the sniping in BF6
Literally watching LevelCap and DevilDogGamer review the map right now lol
like sniping has sweet spot, no flinch, and insane bullet velocity
maybe that's why they made it take so long to get the 8x lol
Sweetspotting should just be replaced by Body Damage Multipliers.
I just love the gunplay in BF6 period, it doesn't feel right in BF1 or V. I just tried them both again recently and they felt awful. It's no wonder they never did it for me.
Penguin opinion is that AK-205 should be harder hitting, 5 shot kill on nearest target = bit odd
Btw does anyone know if the update preload is live on PS5?
any particular gripes? or just overall feel?
It's more so that it doesn't have the Damage Range to make it feel consistent.
bc many people praise BFV having no bloom
BF1 felt like it had zero aim assist (and I need that) and BFV felt really heavy and wobbly, not sure how to describe it. I also felt like it was hard to look at. Like the foliage textures made my eyes hurt.
I did notice I was (practically) sniping people with a thompson in BFV and it felt very odd after coming from BF6 with having to tap fire the M4.
did you ever see the gltich people would do with the boys AT rifle or panzerbuchse ?
AK-205 indeed performs well at distance, Penguin also understand your point! โ
Hi all, I wanted to ask if theres somewhere I can apply to be a tester for BF6? I play almost everyday, and found numerous bugs and I made bug reports already on the fourms. I have past experience doing testing for Starfield and Fallout76 as well as Unreal Engine 5.
I was also dying like instantly all the time in BFV, like all the time. I played about half an hour and kept getting killed before I knew what was happening. So I'm not really understanding a sudden gripe about low TTK this time around.
Bfvs random recoil was such a bad system
Hello friend, Penguin says this is the link for application ๐ : https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs
That was fast, way to go Penguin
Thank you cheers!
Penguin is goated, thatโs why
Course he is
but BFV had low bloom which was cool for a change.
Only if EA knew, they would probably be surprised at how much Penguin swim in the EA website just to answer different questions, to look things up etc
๐โโ๏ธ
there's some sweaty dudes on there though, you can leave the game for months, come back, they're still there
Yeah I find that's the problem with any older shooter. Almost everyone who's still playing never left so they're all insanely knowledgeable of the maps, strategies, not to mention gunplay and quirks, etc.
Well it's not a problem for them, but it is for me going back to it lol
yeah, I played BF4 so damn much that I can go back after enormous breaks, and still pick it back up in a round or two
and feel sorry for players who obviously are just trying to learn the map a bit
I wish they'd bring chainlink back as a mode, but I guess escalation is kinda like that mode.
BF6 is my most played Battlefield I think. I've played them all (except Hardline) since BC2 but BF3 and 6 are the only ones I played at launch.
3 is my second favorite in my head but looking back on old videos of it, wow it looked janky lol but then I'm comparing it to BF6...
i cannot stand the blue filter
w skipping hardline
i liked hardline but dont think i put more than 60 hours into it vs 2000 on bf4 and 1000 on bf1
I heard hardline was underrated. didn't play either
Jackfrags makes Hardline look good. lol
It was very underrated.
it felt like random cop game with the name battlefield on it I felt scammed
But I've been goaded into redownloading BF1 and V many times because he made them look so good in a video. Then I deleted it within 20 minutes, remembering why I stopped in the first place.
Hardline was ok, but felt very rushed.. It would have probably done better if it din't have battlefield in the name
Gameplay was one of if not the best we've had, desync and hit reg were insanely good, maps were good, balance was good.
I genuinely don't have a single complaint about hard-line.
fortifications in BFV will forever be terrific feature
BF6 makes me forgive them for hardline entirely
BF6 makes me forgive 2042 entirely lol
see when talking about it, i remember it fondly same with the squad points/callins. but i forget about it every time until someone mentions it
you wouldn't have time to build in BF6 though, BOOM shot in back LOL
you are forgiving dice? the devs of bf6 for hardline? made by visceral? (rip)
yeah I liked how squad lead could call in V1 Rockets and wild stuff like that too
Now 2042 I had high hopes for, but the beta completely wiped that away and I didn't bother with it until it showed up as a monthly PS+ game.
again, more detail in older games. that goes for every game franchise. they're all watered down for the casual masses now
i was so high on copium i didnt refund it after the beta. "its a 6 month old build!
" guys trust launch will be better
ye
that thing is creepy
Thank you
No tow nerf yet? Guess tanks will rain supreme and continue to do so , very nice.
any devs online?? i swear if TOW's and RPG's are not adressed in this patch im uninstalling this incredibly annoying overly micheal bay game
Ight bro ima fix it rn just for you
don't show the rear of a vehicle to an engineer and all is fine
im not even a tank player
its just not a fun game with 95% of the players being engineer in a match
so the problem is people know how to aim at a heli or jet?
know how to aim? you dont even have to aim thats the issue
rpgs could be a bit slower tbh. damage should stay the same
you still have to aim in front, and compensate for the rpg arc, unless its only a few feet away
i casually counter snipe people with RPG man
nah you dont. i even have the medal that literally tracks how much aircraft i killed in a game wich is 16 right now is my record
Nah the problem is I can't go 80-1 in the Heli gunner seat while my boyfriend is the pilot
Which is totally valid IMO
its absolutely insane how easy it is
hell no its not valid, shouldnt be this easy and accurate
ppl did this in bf4 to with the rpg/smaw
tow is also significantly too easy to just clap everything flying
vs the sniper that can aim and 1 tap while being "supressed" with a 100 lmg shots?
if people take RPG over an actual AA to do something about air vehicles
than thats a problem
w
much extended comparatively shorter ttk is still gonna be worth, also nothing about the spread of 433
rpg works for ground an air so it solves 2 problems
the fact i can do it at all is ridiculous enough
its too op for air
plenty of people preferred the smaw/sraw in bf4 over the stinger or igla.... rpg should get a slight speed reduction but it shouldnt be so slow it cant touch aa
RPG is the only way to take down air vehicles with how fast the flares restock.
still in Bf4 it was WAY harder still
also this is BF6 not 4
it was marginally harder. not way. unless it was a 100-2 attack heli pilot with the US model.... we dont talk about that one
bf4 rpg is comically slow tbf
You're shooting at flares a whole match if you sit around with a stinger.
for something with a booster strapped behind it
stinger bait the flares, there is enough time
How many skins for Pax & Nato you guys have currently
spread is only an issue with bad build, the ttk difference isnt a lot and m433 still wins up close 25m while easily having 36 bullets
BF4 rpg was literally half the velocity we have in BF6, just fyi
Any competent pilot (which is most from my experience) will just duck into a valley or behind a mountain as soon as they drop flares.
yes but still doesnt deal with RPG
you cant fix 433 spread at mid range as it is just that bad
My point is stinger is useless at taking them down, so an RPG only nerf isn't going to solve anything. It will make aircraft more OP
i full auto mid range all the time with m433
ribbed stubby and light barrel help a lot
well if there would be multiple stingers it would be kinda hard tbf but i get what you are at
maybe i should do a blue laser light barrel stupid build
dont run blue laser if u want good spread
also g36 exists as alternative for 433
looks better, have funny rounds, also doenst have spread and jumpy recoil issue
worse ttk but very accurate and easy
I would decrease RPG velocity and increase flare reload time for starters.
b36 is a whole different kind of weapon
25 damage close enough
m277 has a 4btk for 75 meters its the best for mid range in the game
20 bullets plus horrible recoil 
ah hell nawl
you lose about 80 rpm and gain funny rounds and a much more stable gun
gonna be buffed though
the recoil is a skill issue
0 spread and the recoil already isnt bad
but u cant use it up close like an m433
m277 is prob my favorite primary rn
you very much can
its just it would be questionable to do 1v3 close ragne
recoil isnt a skill issue its just there unless u tap fire
which is rare anyways
homie if that slight increase in ttk is gonna bother you, you got issues of skill
if ppl of same skill use better ttk gun, u arent winning
the only weapons that i would say are boarderline usable up close are the likes of sl9
On paper in black and white it's that simple but it's a lot grayer than that in practice.
I'm waiting for the update to try to M277 personally
I left it in the gunrange up until now.
QBZ-192 is underrated IMO.
does this not apply for the m433 going up against better guns than it at range
qbz has nothing good going for it
real
hey tomorrow ur gonna change ur name
It's an underdog
m433 at max range still only kills 39ms slower than m277 at max range
Penguin says this is true friend, had that situation happen sometimes ๐ Penguin is positive about the weapon information you normally share friend, just wanted to let you know! ๐ = compliment from Penguin 

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Battlefield = Cool friend! ๐ That is clean math according to Penguin
Penguin would make a great math teacher
Penguin was probably worst in class, simply because 1 day is not 24 hours but (๐ +๐ = 1 day) in Penguin perspective. It works for Battlefield 6 Calendar, but teacher never understood it ๐
Teacher dumb
Does someone know how much GB season 2 requires?
Since SG553 is getting nerfed which gun do I replace it with?
U mean currency to buy battle pass? 1100
m433
I dont know man...that why Im asking xD
1100
Do you mean gigabytes of storage to run the update?
I answered it
1100 battlefield coins
Thanks lol somebody recommended me SG553 here and that is an awseome gun lvld it to 60+
yes
LMAO
Its prolly not getting touched that badly tbh. I dont have confidence in any of the balance changes doing much to any gun, but if im wrong and the balance changes do go crazy then m123k
I will try m433 and m123k
That one's already hella good and theyre gonna reduce the recoil for some reason????
Doesn't need much in the way of attachments either and it gets the 200 round belt pretty soon into leveling too
Its gonna be a monster I reckon
Is m433 getting a spread change or a recoil change
less recoil means less spread from the less shakiness

Idk i feel like the spread is the issue but ig either make it more consistent anyway so whatever
I've been having the best games today
last day of double xp should i do anything
Guess ill whip it out tmr since I paid for phantom edition and I have the swagalicious skin for it
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Ended at 4am PST
Or 7am EST
whatever utc 12 is idr
Yea it ended
It is approximately 16GB on PS5 but this could vary depending on your platform.
Double xp speed shouldโve been the standard speed. Guns wise.
Tbh I think before literally doubling exp gain for guns, they should make playing objectives and reviving teammates provide hardware exp
Just to encourage less running and running and more teamplay
Then if thats too slow they could tweak an actual multiplier
I dont see why they would. Take objective, points, objective taken, no more points, now you have to go get kills and take more objectives for points
You only passively gain points during an active contest
And also securing i think
But if objective C is safe and youre on it you get nothing aside from bonus points on killing someone while youre standing on the point
I agree objective xp should count toward weapons too
Anybody else looking forward to the new season tomorrow or just me? 
Nothing of substance.
Iโm super looking forward to it
Yes only as I need something to work on.. gets a little boring constantly playing with no reward
That's fair! Though I feel like any game can get too boring if played too much at once
Penguin found a clip from the active mic user during earlier match: #screenshots-and-clips ๐ฎ
Im pretty excited
But earning badges and achievements are only so fun for so long before it can feel like a chore if they're larger tasks or smth 
I like the theme, I wanna see the cosmetics
And in March we'll get 2 guns im quite fond of
Me too!! I'm super excited in seeing the new skins/designs for Nato and Pax
The 2nd map also seems like a diet metro, tho I still hope we will get operation metro anyway
It's bad when the console players have open mic and all you hear is the heavy breathing and low grunting
Even tho we need bigger maps ive loved metro since i was a kid
Agreed, but seeing as they featured that Portal Roblox version of Metro I feel like theyโre not going to remake it officially.
I think they know we all want Metro so it'd be a mistake not to make it ๐ but knowing what development is like it'll likely take a good few months if they want to make sure it's polished and all that
Or their music playing
Usually Penguin remind them, that the mic is broadcasting 24/7, then they realise and switch off sometimes. That guy during Penguin match was actively using Push to talk, he was French, but making sounds like that whenever someone hit him etc
I wonder if penguin talks in third person on mic too
they were enjoying the punishment?
played casual breakthrough for the first time and understand why they want me to get 300 spot assists now. they expect to do this mode that's basically just bot farming lmao
I โค๏ธ casual breakthrough
Speaking as a casual
300 spot assists is 2 rounds max in normal breakthrough
Casual conquest when
Is Penguin like the youtube cod guy who does the inervoice monologing?
Yeah I donโt think spot assists are so hard to come by in any kind of breakthrough.
Yeah maybe not. Well i also loved noshahr canals so maybe they'll get around to doing that. Or maybe caspian
it is pretty fun. A casual spot you can take a break for when you get overwhelmed. goated game
Honestly any BF3 map. Though personally Firestorm wouldโve been low on my listโฆ
Breakthrough is how I got the 50 assists of any kind (recon drone and being on site after it gets broken)
Nah I also loved firestorm, tho this greatly shrunken version is a bit less enjoyable. Mmmmm yummy armor holding 2 points at the same time
Does the Season 1 assignment under the BF Pro tab expire when season 1 ends? I havenโt played a Battlefield game with battle passes before this one.
Yeah it ends when season 2 starts tomorrow
Im Hype. 12h time Tomorrow ๐คช๐คช
Yes ๐
DICE's Producer Phil Girette says #Battlefield6 seasons shouldn't face any more delays like Season 2, since they've taken quite a lot of different steps in different departments to make sure that the players get the seasons immediately.
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๏ธ๏ธ"We came out of the launch from Battlefield 6, and we don't have the best of track records for launches, but it went pretty smooth this time around, so we're happy for that one. But that launch also takes a lot of work and time. We saw the content we had planned for Season 2 and we wanted just to give that a little bit more time in the oven to polish things and make sure we hit the expectations that players have.
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๏ธ๏ธObviously, once you plan out seasons, there's a lot of things that come with that like the marketing work behind it, making sure the timings affect not only the game itself but many, many other things. Future seasons as well. Absolutely, we need to make sure those hit as expected and we have taken quite a lot ofโฆ
Oh I saw that!! I do hope they don't face any more delays, but I'm also hoping the devs aren't rushed either 
Evidently theyโve not met the expectations most players had but Iโm glad to hear they donโt expect more delaysโฆ
The launch went okay but post launch has been a near disaster so far
i enjoy still getting shot round corners
Real
I enjoy the AA tools being totally fucking useless
Just have to trust someone on your team knows how to fly a jet
I also hope there's gonna be more to the limited time modes, like if it'll somehow affect the overarching story of Nato vs Pax, because if they're just limited time modes just for the sake of limited time content and nothing else that'll suck ๐
Stinger is weak as, and the AA is in acurate has hell, only the stationary is good
They were bad before.
They are made to create FOMO. End of story
The fact that Anti-Tank Weaponry is better than Anti-Aircraft Weaponry against Aircraft is bonkers.
The stationary is going to get destroyed by a missile the moment you even poke an aircraft
Tbh the FOMO factor only bothers me when I donโt actually enjoy playing the game. And theyโre making battle pass progression even faster going forward so hey even better for me.
Penguin had players in squad that actually played as squad like intended TDM match = cool ๐ 0 Deaths when friends helping each other like team๐ โค๏ธ (rarely happens when queuing with randoms) Squad play = far superior than everyone just running around doing a kill race
I don't mind limited time modes if they are different, since it's good to try things and see what does and doesnt work. But Night Operations should be a permanent mode which has been asked for, for a long time
Uhm so like my hands are gone everytime im a sniper any help? its weird.
Like CoD battle passes suck because those games piss me off more often than not lol theyโre so unenjoyable in general that itโs like homework making some daily progress.
Is that all the time or after you're revived
all the time
Why would you buy it then
Penguin suspect you're using the Phantom Upgrade recon skin (Coyote Squad) ? That is a known issue with the skin itself = nothing we can do about it than waiting for a potential future fix
Don't play games if they feel like a chore, like are you fr now
I havenโt in a few years. I quit mid season 3 of MW3 and said โno more of thisโ
oh ok ill fix it
First BP I bought since was BF6 season 1, only because Iโd finished it already and knew Iโd wanna keep playing S2
I'm not gonna buy the s2 bp for bf6
Goood evening soldiers!!!!! ๐ซก
If you finish it. Might as well buy
Got 1100 boins from s1 bp
So s2 will be free
Penguin will definitely get Season 2 Pro Battleplass, just like S1 Pro! ๐ Probably lots of the other content too after a bit, big fan of having different skins and so forth available
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I might not finish it and also i don't really care about anything the s1 bp offered.
It still isnโt exactly free, I mean you spend $10 to get 1100 coins just to get the coins back but you canโt redeem them for cash. In other words itโs obviously still tied up in the game. Which is fine if you intend to keep completing BPs
BP I don't mind it's not that taxing and the skins are fine, but store skin pricing in BF6 makes no sense and is all over the place
S1 was somewhat weak cosmetically but it had some nice stuff.
I had phantom edition
Personally i just want operator looking operator skins but since 7 have those, i don't care anymore
did u run out of money do u need help
Someone hates gas mask skins ๐คฃ
I used to rubber band my controller in Infected to finish CoD BPs in 6 days flat, never had to do it legit for any of MW2 or 3. But Iโm really glad BF6 mostly progresses via weekly challenges. Wayyy better system than just time played/XP
I don't enjoy the game in it's current state anymore. I'm not gonna buy cosmetics for a game i don't even wanna play
Like i might play it occasionally... But more than 2 hours for a weekend usually feels like a chore
is there a chat to share server code? i made a slower custom game that want to share
Also, why are you looking for a conflict
Hello friend, Penguin says we do! ๐ #1461436247783510228 at Discord here. If you don't find it you might have to manually select it at id:customize
thanks
M433 just jokes a lot
Mhm, well now you know
Did you buy S1?
Unfortuantely yes
So never? Lmao
Then they already got your $10
Thats the plan
Same 1100 coins regardless
Can't wait for bullpup
I used my 250 of 1100
what did u waste 250 on

Why
That skull pack next to the nametag
Iโm curious how you bought the BP with only 250 coins because that sounds great
Whenโs update
welcome back VHX
Tomorrow
I meant out of 1100 coins that they give u out of battle pass..... I have used 250
When Will the patch come
That's weird but okay
You still spent $10 regardless. The same as anyone else who finished the first pass and is getting the second pass with the reward coins
True
Any idea how ramge finder will work after patch?
Because they're very obscure and liking a gun purely because the magazine sits behind the trigger seems..odd
I am new to bf6
I love it for that. And reload anims
range finder will work the same
I didnโt know they were changing range finder. Also new to BF6 but finished season 1? Lol Iโm also new to BF6
but it's obscure and weird you're not supposed to like it
its just a second slower rather than instant
As in when my scope becomes stable then +1 seconds?
Yea
you just can't double bind it anymore
No it doesn't instantly change the range zoom distance
You like the l85?
Yep
Glad they fixed that, poor oversight lol
I am confused
it's a severe noob trap but I agree
Does that mean you need to use the range finder first?
No double bind?
Range finder mains crying ๐
I purposely never did it just so I wouldnโt ever develop a crutch. Also seems to take the fun out of it
hold breath could be double binded to change range to range finder at same time
that 100%, plus not like the game has ranges where you need to account for bullet drop that much anymore
I do that now but somebody said after patch no double bind
I always found the range finder utterly useless idk lol
plus doublebinding rangefinder makes it difficult to snipe moving targets
I find it useful since I am newbie to bf6
I like the range finder for like across the map shots.
My best is 661m I think. Definitely wouldnโt have gotten that without it
most shots in this game aren't further than 100m anyway...
useless when they headglitch since you can tag the background and have a 1000m shot instead of 200m
My best is not even 300m
The long range ammo is relatively broken and makes sniping super easy in this game. You don't even need the range finder. Just a little bit getting used to how much the bullet drops at distance and then estimating distance yourself
Updated the Range Finder custom zeroing to not apply its effect instantly; it now requires a short delay before taking effect.
Whatโs long range ammo even do? I know itโs got seemingly no downside so I use it but idk why
i just recently beat my record of like 360 and its 416m now
Bullet velocity?
yes
Lower drag so more velocity further out and less drop
Got it
It is vague for me or I am slow Like what do they mean a short delay like after placing the scope on head do we have to wait before firing
long range ammo increase bullet velocity so it travels faster, and it takes logner to drop off
before, you can spam b or whatever your range finder bind was and it instantly changed, now you gotta wait
there's now a short delay, the double bind won't give you the instant effect
when you zero in i.e. scope there is now a delay for the gun range to match the range finder, before it was instant so you can really aim and shoot and not worry about it
Afaik It doesn't increase the velocity out of the muzzle, it just reduces how much it slows down over time. That's at least how i understand bullet drop and velocity in this game.
You're right just read it and it just reduces drag
Mine is 283m lol... I rarely snipe
Most games nowadays use a bullet drag coefficient
Barrel changes velocity
What guns do u guys use as mains?
The rpg
m240L
All of them
I do that too lol idky people get mad
I will put that on my list
80% of my gameplay is just hunting tanks
I used to be engi main for 2-3 months now I run Assault
Hmm
Iโve started liking the IAR more lately.
Iโm like around 500
Any favorites?
like month and a half ago
its dumb
ah i had it disabled on my custom playlist cuz i hate the map
Mine is in Breakthrough I rarely play conquest
you need to be an awful team to lose BT attack on manhattan now
its an LMG so best with support
its so free
yeah we getting wiped on defend
K
yeh defense is an instant backout
M433, PW5, DRS, M4
wish i knew that before loading it...
But fr tho i basically only use ar's and carbines. Specifically the 433, nvo, 417, b36, and m4
But I was surprised that I hit that shot lol took a second or two to realize I got the kill lol
NVO is great but I got bored of it
No SG553?
nvo my beloved!
I really like whatever the UMP is called
TBH i'm OCD and using all the guns in order, so I max it to lvl 50 then move to something else
UMG maybe?
The nvo isn't very good stat wise but it flows nicely
best camo in the game
Not got to the SG just yet
that goes to rpkm
which is it
stain under misc tab
Someone knows the time when season 2 update will be ?
They look ugly as fuck in all honesty
7am est
oke ty
good close 2nd
They nerfed it in the patch but would be great since u use m433
i run that on my five 7 and have a full hipfire build
I like most of the camos I feel like. But just donโt have many yet because guns level too slowly and Iโm spread across so many lol I have a lot of guns in teen levels and only one past 30
57 has to be the worst gun in the game
say that to my marauder 9 this morning!
I hate the way camos are organized, like you have to search for which camo a specific gun will unlock.
P90 is the worst just for the model size
Do u guys play any other games?
Like say Iโm on the M4, and I wanna know which camo is unlocked at level 30, my next closest weapon level. I have to search every single camo in the list until I come across M4. It should be easier.
The ui desperately needs changes. Weapons should have a progression tree which shows you what each level unlocks instead of having to go each attachment at a time. It should include the camos as well even tho i personally don't care for that
is there a bf v chat?
Hello! i have created a custom server for BattleDADS, LOL. Soldier Speed is slower, no HP regeneration, remove crazy gadget. Added the server on #1461436247783510228
ah hell nawl
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Donโt steal the battle dads away theyโre free kills
BattleDAD make Kids Cry
Uh huh
Did people hate the fortification mechanic on bfv or why has it never been reimplemented? Personally i loved that in breakthrough defenders could fortify positions and use dragons teeth and hedgehogs to slow down armor. I feel like fortifications only being buildable once would help with the frustration from spamming them for cover
i thought it was cool, gave temporary cover for what was destroyed so still had a place to hide
You could also blow up bridges and shit as well... Where is all of this
Which is the best shotgun?
Call ins were great..
Whatever one you have the most fun with
one that fires shots
Bfv operations were a big downgrade from bf1 already
Feyres suggestion is valid, Penguin usually pick between M87A1 or M1014, that's just a preference ๐ Penguin seem to have the most 1 shot kills when using M87A1 though, depends on what you're looking for friend
m87 is the best
Iโve just been using the m1014 for a shotgun challenge but it feels so inconsistent. Sometimes itโll absolutely shred but other times youโll have the barrel pressing someoneโs torso and itโll do 5 damage
Use slugs on it
use a pump for slugs not an auto
You have to ads with shotguns for them to be reliable
Especially with the auto shotguns
eh, ads wont actually do anything for the pellet spread
But it does reduce the random spread from the hip
It defo does
yeh it does work to make the center pellet more accurate
dunno why they coded it so that there is always a center pellet the rest of the pellets get spread around randomly
Quite a few games do it now
but ADS at least makes your center pellet accurate but doesnt really do anything about the pellet spread around it
if you want reliability id get the slugs for the M1014
According to Penguin testing, spread of the pellets seems to behave pretty similar with/without ADS. But when there's time for ads, why not use ads for proper hit regardless? ๐ฏ
Would u share your m1014 build?
I want a Full Auto secondary
opa, algum BR ai pra jogar battle royale la?
To be clear the pellet spread doesn't change. But the Placement of the shot as a whole gets applied a similar randomness as with other guns hipfire. In other games the pellets would spread evenly around the center pellet when fired from the hip and ads would just make it tighter. No longer how it works
Play assault you get 3 guns
you dont wanna see it believe me, but sure: slugs, 4 round tube, lightened suppressor, 10 point sight of choice
Penguin also think it's easier to get the ''center pellet'' where we want when using ADS. At least we got the detail about Shotgun correct โ ๐ = cool ๐
the 4 round tube is because a single shell will add 2 ammo to the pool and allows for easy reload interruptions compared to the regular ammo tube
Got it any laser?
nah, since your using slugs you ADS
K
WHO WAS IN PARIS???
tip: you can reload interrupt with the M1014 the moment you hold the gun sideways without even adding in a shell and you will already have 2 shots loaded
Not dice
Just tried it amazing
Works only few times thoigh
the timing can be abit weird
Looks like yall need a hint. They are a fraction of the US population but commit 1/2 the crimes. They are loud and obnoxious and like music that rhythms. Who are they?
nobody is stupid enough to say, and it's as dumb as the 6-7 rubbish
Ill give you a hint. Your pfp is one of them
Close. Beauty and the Beat. His co singers community
shut up, goof ball
They are goof balls
Friends, Penguin don't fully understand the topic in chat ๐ Either way, big thanks to BF6 for cool matches over here!
Be back in like 20 minutes ๐
Who was in Paris
penguins don't see in color
Hint they go ape when agitated
John Battlefield? 
Guess again. Unfortunately not the correct answer
But appreciate the effort
Sorry friend, Penguin put in big effort trying to figure this out, must surrender to big topic. Penguin brain lag about this topic ๐ฆข
You will understand one day
When you meet a specimen
Penguin just know the painter was the good guy
someone take this creature out behind the shed
It is understandable
stop lagging
A puny human like yourself
Cannot behold divine beauty
Thou shall be in awe
Behold divine beauty
Bow to your master
Accept me as thou savior
These wretched beasts
so is this a natural chemical imbalance or what are we doing here
Disrespecting a God
Evil shall perish
You shall be PURIFIED!!!
A mortal like yourself cannot embellish divine beauty
Your mind cannot comprehend justice
ILL SHALL CLEANSE THIS WORLD OF THIS EVIL
THESE BEASTS
riz em with the lack of socialization
i am blocking you good bye
I will bring justice and balance to this great universe
I AM A GOD!!!
In a world of these mortals
These ningen
Penguin sent you a DM friend
I have picked you
To echo the justice that i bring
Become my blade
And together
We can bring upon a new world
Filled with love and freedom for all
i am now a friend of penguin
holy cornball
what is ur name my guy
hmmmm my browser had an update and restarded when i clicked that seems sus
restarded!
bro identifies as as a M417 TOW missile
naw i dont have a cell phone a bank account or even a credit card so i mean
im pretty safe lol
Many thanks Penguin says for fixing the issue in chat! ๐
my name is "casual weekend dad pls be nice"
the double spacing is intentional
Bros a ghost
i wish i screenshotted that redsec solo squad wipe with my new name
there will be others
$50 walmart steam cards are your friends ๐
it was pretty amusing though to get 4 piece'd by a guy named casual weekend dad
i know because they spectated me for like 8 minutes
Last day of Tom Cruise on login screenโฆ
lol
Tom Cruise will NOT be missed
I just unlocked DB-12 how is it?
When is new Update live?
Garbage
even after TU?
After what now?
title update
Update is not out so
Penguin says EA has nice timer ticking down on EA website for Season 2 launch: https://www.ea.com/en/games/battlefield/battlefield-6/seasons/bf6-season-2
tomorrow at 6am CST, you can pre-load now the update. Was 17 GB on XBOX X
anyone know how/where to do the complete a campaign mission with only a pistol quest?
First mission
Well i did it there so dunno
musta bugged
Letโs predict the big topic weโll see everybody flooding this discord with tomorrow. I think it will be โlittle bird is OPโ lol
It's just gonna be more of "game sucks"
Generally yeah I guess
honestly would be nice to have an air vehicle that isn't literally unusable
โMore mapsโ
โThis is it?โ
I see plenty of people using the current ones to great effect in my matches๐just ainโt me
controversial take: bf6 would more more fun with a harsher SBMM system
Bad players play with bad players, good players play with good ones
stomp matches just aren't fun, either direction
Lost me at SBMM
i was hoping you'd say lost me at bf6 being fun
I agree stomp matches suck regardless but SBMM sucks worse
See: last 7 CoD games
I think BF6 is great fun 
I mean that more seems like a poor implementation of it - you still end up with the stomps one way or another just because you get ping-ponged between top of/bottom of the match
Ping is king, not perceived skill. SBMM ruins pvp games IMO
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CoDโs SBMM is manipulative too and Iโm wary of any game implementing it and going down that route.
hyped up for update๐
convince me the DRS isn't shit
Play sg55r and say that again
Itโs a good gun, like a souped up M4. Like an M4 that went on a dirty bulk. Got a little more muscle at the cost of some leanness.
SG553? S tier gun, what does that have to do with the DRS?
I do much better with the M4
It is for now
You said i should try to convince you lol thats all
Same but just because itโs not as good as the M4 doesnโt mean itโs shit
I do alright with it. Just donโt use it super long range without tap firing. I like the 1.5x sight. I find the right sight on a gun makes a big difference.
Looking for a squad, i main transport helo :p
Run it prioritizing control and accuracy stats, keep it a mid range gun for the most part, youโll do great
I use mine with a 40 fast mag
I think I had to warm up to it too but I dig it now.
Drs is top three gun in the game. What attachments you using?
Am I actually seeing the DRS being called bad
Upcoming map looks fun but the rest is completely dogshiet
This gas? God how awful
Limited time trash? Yeah that's what we want.
For god sake listen to the community. We don't want this swollenhorseballtrash
How you complaining about something that isnโt even out
Because I see what we going to have and that's not what we want
Are you the entire community
Also there's gameplays online now..
I'm not alone with this ๐
Iโm not alone in looking forward to it ?
Great! We're two human beings with different opinions! What's your point?
Because youโre speaking for the community ๐
I'm speaking for 99% of the community ๐
Why would you want ten permanent modes? Players already spread thin
People always gonna find something to complain about
Are you clairvoyant or something?
Source of that number or we just making stuff up
You can't possibly know what 99% of people want.
Well check YT comments on this update ๐
At what hour the season will start?
Ever heard of the vocal minority ๐
4am PST
updates are typically 10am my time so about <t:1771344000:R>
The YouTube streaming community does not speak for the playerbase ๐
Youtube comments. Clearly the most representative sample for any community.
Penguin at least looking forward to everything that has been posted this far about Season 2 ๐
This link = cool ๐ for coming season: https://www.ea.com/en/games/battlefield/battlefield-6/seasons/bf6-season-2
I am also not a fan and you should look what the steam charts will say during this week. Then you got your percentages.
Maybe S2 is not that bad.
Steam isnโt the only way to play the game
^
It's a great reference
Itโs a great reference for steam players
Sample size too small to represent the population.
The what
How many hours till S2 drops? anyone got the info?
Isnt it in 12 hours
In the end, it would bother you more than me. I couldn't care less if it's bad or not. Simply play the game if you like it, else just don't.
4am pacific time so idk
12 hours 30 minutes
I think youre allowed to download preemptively some hours before that tho
Or maybe the game was gonna be down
Idr
I just wish they would drop redsec
Curious when we actually get a big map๐
Season 5
Are you level 103 perchance
If you really took your time looking up that then get a life๐
By looking at ut pfp a lot makes sense also
Weird.
Odd.
Because Iโm a woman ?
Wow, shame.
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Strange
Shame ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
@warped steppe how is over 80% of your kills bots ๐ญ๐ญ
80% is CRAZY
He ain't playing for pvp that's for sure
๐ญ one look at his discord profile tells me everything
#1456892890293866536 message because of modding ๐
ribbed stubby (haven't unlocked better stubbies yet), flash hider (no suppressors yet, was getting killed more when using brake), heavy extended barrel, 1.5x thermal, 36rnd mag
Took less than a minute to figure that out
Ainโt that hard
creating zombie mod and other AI related mod but yeah i play a lot of casual bt ๐
Wait you have an 11.7 KD๐ค
gud @ gaam
KDA, my player KD is just over a 7
I kill bots... because I'm tired. And... yeah, tired.
beam guy
guy quickscopes you with mini scout with 4 hp left
sadly most of the time bots play more as a team than real players lol
they go for the objective at least lol
Worrying about KD in a BF game is crazy. Half of the time I throw myself on the objective just to get a slither of progress done since my team is dogshit. I think my in game tracker says I have a 2.4KD
They like to stand in my reticle. And stare.
Youโll notice KD isnโt my only high stat lol
Idk I checked it when I was (still am( driving
wasn't it fun anymore or when i answered why it's only bots?
Are stats... relevant now? Not being fresh, just genuinely wondering if most players now care about those in Battlefield.
have they made the weapon progression a lil bit faster?
check back tomorrow
we shall find out
im talking bout currently bro. it feels like im leveling my guns very fast
There was 2x this weekend but I'm not sure if they extended it until new season
someone else may know
stats are irrelevant if u stat pad with breakthrough cheese
Icl I got dragged into gauntlet against my will
Stats are always irrelevant.
No moral value or consequence.
That tracks. But I meant in a general sense.
Might be dating myself here, but this might be the first BF I've played where stats seem... central(?) to the gameplay?
wut
They're not, stats just have become commodified and accessible.
Simple, there are people who care about stats and there are people who just want to have fun and don't care if their K/D is trash
Well, we always had the scoreboard. Cept that brief time in 2042 where it was not a thing. And BF4 Battlelog had a pretty good stat dashboard, but most of us just used it for loadouts and challenges.
If you care about improvement, stats matter
Something, something, old dog, new tricks, yadayada.
yeah but how are stats central to the gameplay in 6
I guess it's more that people seem to geniunely care, and strive for improvement/better stats.
Where before, it wasn't something we really tracked, so much as experienced.
https://youtube.com/shorts/qSrNkmpygA4?si=6T6AcO90nJHfnxn_
looks like they nerfed the RPG despite patch notes not mentioning it?
Good. It's OP.
How is a rocket propelled explosive still burning fuel at 200m?
Things the poor man's sniper counter.
When will the โTHE 323โ pack return I want it so bad ๐ญ
At least give it some drop so you have to at least pretend like you're aiming.
How'd they nerf it?
genuine question, do people look forward to the gas thingy?
Interesting spin on the gameplay.
Please tell me they require you to "shoulder" the rocket before firing now?
Why not.
i'd be more inclined if the gas mask didn't take a gadget slot
It doesn't.
I suspect it'll be in commorose.
maybe the rail cover is non-negotiable ๐ค
Penguin looking forward to nice game modes for Season 2, lots of friends too
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It's in that funny 3rd gadget slot that they use for situational gadgets in the campaign. Xbox has it mapped to up d-pad.
personally it just look annoying having "fake" soldiers eveywhere haha
ahh gotcha
Maybe gauntlets isnโt bad