battlefield-6

[spare socket]

yeah except that shizz is hitting bodies

literally take that mindset and apply it to headshots basically for slow ttk guns

[hazy mural]

Right, its just an example of high risk, high reward

[spare socket]

like dice had a fraction of an idea in the beta

[wary hinge]

tbh I dont think many of the weapons for me are hard to use

[spare socket]

synthetic gave the kts 100 a 2x headshot multiplier and I was like ok I expect them to adjust headshot multis gun to guns and remove synthetic from the game. Hollow is fine as a minor dial but synthetic is stupid

kts deserves a 2x headshot multi. It was a skilled users gun in the beta.

Launch: we nerfed synthetic to 1.75

[wary hinge]

I mostly jsut struggle with shotguns and thats about it

[spare socket]

Idk how you make the kts go from the skill gap god to... a noob gun

but cool beans ig dice. thx

shizz did a whopping 50 damage headshot up to 21 meters and 40 at range

[hazy mural]

I didnt touch the kts in beta so no idea. That said, KTS waaayyy too easy of a gun to use for a 2x multi imo 😂

[spare socket]

nah it deserves it

you'd need to pay hollows for it too. The average player gets 1.75 or 1.5. Up to dice to decide on that front

the average human being is not executing headshots that consistently

also the hip fire, sprint to fire, and ads speed are yk bad so just zoomin up to em with an scw-10 should clear em

[hazy mural]

Meh, IMO, too accurate of a gun to give it 2x. That is probably one of the easiest guns to get HS with outside the QBZ

[spare socket]

I'd also probably alter bullet velocities across the board for multiplayer only too tbh

the bullet velocities and drag in this one are wayyyyyy too high imo.

They feel designed more for redsec especially the snipers

[hazy mural]

Something would need to change. I think KTS with extendo is 1100 for velocity? Or something wild ?

[spare socket]

it is yeah

[drowsy spruce]

when do we get good maps?

[spare socket]

again I think the bullet velocity in this game needs to be reduces across the board by like a fourth to a third

varies from weapon to weapon but you get my gist.

This would be mp only. Redsec can stay the same

[hazy mural]

What game mode do you play? My experience is, modes also affects how crappy a map is played.

[frozen comet]

Give me a sig pistol that fires randomly 😂

[drowsy spruce]

like conquest breakthrough

[spare socket]

we already got a sig p320 pistol they just gotta add the random firing bit

[hazy mural]

Wouldn't be against it and it would affect me. Most the time i use the basic barrel or short 😂

[spare socket]

it's called the p-18 in this game and it's somehow better than the glock-22

[frozen comet]

ES 5.7 should do more damage in redsec iykyk

[spare socket]

this will affect you the most since your bullet velocity going further down might incentivize you to opt for extended

[hazy mural]

Yeah, try some escalation bro. For example, Blackwell is ass on conquest and escalation but I liked it on breakthrough. Etc

[spare socket]

blackwell can't be played in escalation

[hazy mural]

Nah, my point is, i dont rely on bullet velocity 😂

[drowsy spruce]

i dont even know that map bruh i aint played since like start of december from how boring this game been

oh the shitty oil fields one

[hazy mural]

Whichever, fact still remains 😂

[hazy mural]

Yas. Some maps are really bad on specific modes. Just gotta try them all.

[spare socket]

I enjoy most maps on escalation but that's just me (except sobek this one sucks)

I'm a bit picky with maps in conquest

[frozen comet]

I like faster firing pistols but the glock is mid

[spare socket]

having leveled 5 of 6 pistols to 50 and my 5.7 is at level 47...

The only pistols worth using imo are the m1911, m.44, and trait

the glock, p-18, and 5.7 were very painful experiences

[frozen comet]

The es is actually quite good beyond 50m if you can land your shots

[heady gale]

trait is really fun to spam

[hazy mural]

M44? The only one I use now 😂

[spare socket]

I just don't really see a reason to use it over the m44

up close or at range if you can land your shots

[hazy mural]

I dont mind Sobek, but Mirak valley 🤢🤮

[frozen comet]

If you land your shots es has a lower ttk than the m44 at range

[spare socket]

nah mirak is peak. One of my favorite conquest and escalation maps. You kinda just gotta learn how to abuse the B building for parachute angles

I think my only complaint about mirak is that I think the devs should just give the D building its own upper floor with 4 zips (add 2 more zips to B)

[hazy mural]

I default mirak to fighting at B building or sniping. But id rather play on Sobek. Which i play similarly 😂

[spare socket]

move that crane to the center.

main reason D doesn't get a top floor and B does is the crane.

but that crane falls lmao

[upper gyro]

D point fights are fun

[frozen comet]

Lowest ttk from 50m up. (Body ttk)

[spare socket]

true but the primary reason to me at least the D point doesn't have a building upper section is the crane

which falls in like 2 minutes sometimes lmao.

[upper gyro]

yeah because people hate the headglitching snipers that like to sit up there

[spare socket]

I would just center the crane so it's not a minor advantage for D so that D can get its own roof

you could even add ziplines that link the B and D roofs (like 2 of em) so you can zip across the top

[frozen comet]

I could've sworn they did that in beta

[spare socket]

mirak wasn't in the beta

[upper gyro]

There's one zipline between B and D, but it gets destroyed

[spare socket]

it was empire state, cairo, and iberian Offensive

[upper gyro]

also inaccessible from the D point, so one-way trip

[frozen comet]

Idk what I'm thinking about then cuz I remember two buildings being connected by ziplines and I don't know where that was

[hazy mural]

Tbh, I dislike Mirak because I cant fly my chopper in decent peace 😂😂😂

[spare socket]

yeah but it leads to like a lower roof which you can't access without a ladder or the zip/chute from B which is silly

[spare socket]

lol my buds and I get threats when we get in the chopper lol

[upper gyro]

I'd like to see that roof section reworked as well

[hazy mural]

Im dodging rockets the moment I leave spawn hahaha

[spare socket]

I can't fly but I can in fact gun

[crimson garden]

Penguin big question over here if anyone knows, earlier friendly tank was stolen by enemy random, while a Friendly Engineer was repairing the tank.

This happening makes Penguin wonder: Are there any specific criteria for the tank theft protection to work or is bugged/broken?

The Mechanized infantry skill.

[frozen comet]

I can't fly in this game and I have no idea why

[upper gyro]

imagine chopper gunner with thermals

[hazy mural]

Thats my problem. 90% of the time, im flying and gunning 😂. Position swap spam

[spare socket]

My friends are able to just bob and weave between those 2 buildings so insanely. It blows my mind.

one time my buddy timed a dive under the crane when it was collapsing and hit the 2 rockets tailing him with it

shizz was literal cinema

[frozen comet]

I haven't tried anything with this

[hazy mural]

You gotta do that type of shiiiid to dodge lock ons.

[frozen comet]

I just never leave lol

[spare socket]

tbh the biggest thing you need as a pilot is a dedicated good gunner

they will cover the hell out of you and murder infantry if you can keep the momentum going

solo piloting sounds miserable in any bf to me lol (unless it's a jet)

[upper gyro]

a good gunner will make sure you never get RPG'd

[spare socket]

real. They'll be dead first lol.

[hazy mural]

Ive noticed that most people who gun for me, are too timid? When I gun in the attack chopper, im spraying baby. Reload is pretty quick. But people try to be meticulous about it for some reason.

[frozen comet]

I fly a chopper in arma and do all the cool j hooks and strafe runs. I fly a chopper in any battlefield and I'm crashing into the nearest bush filled with team mates. 😂

[spare socket]

nah just aim and spray that shizz lol

if you aren't always unloading your gun what are you doing

[hazy mural]

That and they dont lead their shot. 😂

[upper gyro]

blast that auto cannon baybee

[spare socket]

[crimson garden]

(If it works at all) Penguin also not sure what the minimum distance is for the game to consider a engineer being a near a tank 🚀

[hazy mural]

!!!! This is what i be telling them lol

[upper gyro]

unload on that tank and watch its HP melt

[frozen comet]

It's a machine gun! Hold it down!

[reef bolt]

i think they might be running anti armor instead of combat engi

[wary hinge]

ehhh ill take 20 kills with a shotgun

[hazy mural]

Make sure you dont have that extra dmg perk on. Makes you fly much slower. Otherwise, choppers in BF6 are slow 🥲

[wary hinge]

not the worst round ive had

[rapid arch]

just bought bf6 how to heal myself and others as a medic help

[frozen comet]

They're painfully slow haha

[crimson garden]

Penguin 100% sure about this happening earlier friend, so Penguin of course have questions 🦢

[hazy mural]

Here's to hoping the little birds are quick 😂

[frozen comet]

Press x

[reef bolt]

might be ggs then icl

[frozen comet]

Gather around the pack like a homeless fire barrel

[rapid arch]

the ammo box can heal? thx, any health bags like bf5

[crimson garden]

That's also a signature trait for any Engineer whatsoever according to Penguin

[frozen comet]

Yea it heals too. You can unlock the pouches but they're kinda dooky

[reef bolt]

nvm i misread, probably a bug like usual

[spare socket]

the pouches are really strong for yourself

[paper stratus]

Guys, I need help. I just bought battlefield 6 and why the campaign made my laptop go window view? And it slows frame per second and goes potato graphic slowly

[spare socket]

you can easily shift gunfights with them.

there's a reason they were nerfed frankly.

[hazy mural]

Pouches are super beneficial for yourself

I might remove my defibs and go back to pouches tbh lol

[wary hinge]

hmmm ngl I could use a few new shotguns

might try and get the DB-12

[frozen comet]

Yea I don't medic for myself tho

[spare socket]

yeah that's valid. The best supports can shift fights themselves while reviving and resupplying dynamically tho imo

I've gotta buddy who guns really well and uses his medpouches to really shift 1v1s

that same brother will go out of his way to revive me and resupply me so I can get more claymores and mini sensors down

[frozen comet]

Anyone can shift a fight it takes a real support to revive all squads

[crimson garden]

DB-12 shotgun was cool idea, but it would be happy with a buff according to Penguin for it to be used at all. If missing 1 shot with it the whole situation can be fried 👉 🧀 💥

[spare socket]

you can also do both and excel at both.

maximizing the potential of your role. Hell bro will legit throw a pouch at me in a gun fight sometimes lol

the micro of pouch usage for yourself and others is what makes it really strong since its near instant and a burst of healing you need right there

[hazy mural]

IMO, you should be medicing for yourself lol. YOU"RE the most important person because you also have the responsibility of taking care of the homies

[spare socket]

to a degree yeah that's the bit

[frozen comet]

I don't agree

[hazy mural]

you ain't reviving anyone if you're dead lol

[spare socket]

He has to win his fights and live if he wants to save everyone.

Which is where pouch comes in handy.

when he can't he smokes and tries to get us and we bail

[wary hinge]

tbf if you miss a shot with the m87 aswell your also cooked

[frozen comet]

If my buddies cover me while I revive a whole point of dead people I feel like I'm doing something as a support. If I'm killing and capping instead, I'm a great assault player as support.

[wary hinge]

though its probably not as much of a punishment

[hazy mural]

I'd rather my medic take care of his gunfights before reviving me, reviving me in a situation where he'd die and i'd die immediately is not ideal. I'd rather him clear that area first if it's the better thing to do

[spare socket]

rambo reviving is the worst thing you can do

[frozen comet]

Being a good player doesn't inherently make you a good support

[spare socket]

you permanently get your team mate killed with no hopes of ever saving them from there

[hazy mural]

like if i die in a bad spot, literally " Don't revive me, bad, i'll spawn on you " lol

[spare socket]

ye we do that too. We make a call when it's not worth a revive based on the situation and tell our brother to just fall back

[hazy mural]

Rambo reviving doesn't make you a good support either though

[frozen comet]

That's what callouts and skipping are for tbh

[frozen comet]

I never said Rambo reviving

[wary hinge]

I find it funny that my assault build doesnt even have a ar

[hazy mural]

you realize that some people are gungho for revives... some people will run at you with the intention to revive even if you hold spacebar.

[frozen comet]

You can do both but need to know when they don't overlap

[wary hinge]

im only use a shotgun and grenade launcher

[spare socket]

tbh I kinda want dice to make where if you bleed out manually and still on a respawn timer you can get revived

too many people auto bleed out and it's maddening

[astral cave]

Kinda wish they’d let you crawl when downed

[frozen comet]

That doesn't mean they're good at it, but if your squad can do their jobs, you should be able to get off a lot of revives.

[hazy mural]

that's too broken lol, if they did, at least a 4sec CD on revives.

[spare socket]

nah positioning yourself on death is an important thing to learn imo

[dusky nexus]

anyone having connection issues?

[spare socket]

if you know you're gonna die at least put your body in an accessible place.

[hazy mural]

right, but in a situation where your squad is dead?

[frozen comet]

A good support doesn't revive only their squad

[spare socket]

obv

[hazy mural]

i normally just stay on the ground just so i can tell my teammates how many are coming towards him LMAO

[rich fern]

DMZ coming yet?

[spare socket]

but a good support also doesn't just seek only revives. They assess what is best for the situation.

[frozen comet]

Yea it happens too often and it doesn't help that most support players walk over dead bodies

[hazy mural]

obviously, but it's only your squad that can hear you talk

[frozen comet]

It seeks to support

[astral cave]

I Prioritize reviving others outside of my squad because they can just respawn on me

[spare socket]

ye

and also sometimes getting out of dodge to live to fight another day.

[frozen comet]

It's not only my squad that can see my tracers and spotting

[spare socket]

I kinda want proximity chat as an option in battlefield so bad

it should be off by default but I would love them to add it.

[astral cave]

I thought that too but it would be way to much chatter

[frozen comet]

A support player should be content with assists revives heals and supplies. A good player should be content with objective capping/defending and actual kills. Those two are separate in my mind.

[hazy mural]

that said, IMO, prioritizing revives in a gun fight is situational, a medic should care about themselves first lol

[spare socket]

again, keep it off by default.

possibly even bury it in the audio menus lol

[rich torrent]

It wasn't that heavily used in BBR.

[hazy mural]

like if a i see a medic too afraid to revive me because i'm in the LoS of gunfire, i ain't mad, makes sense lol

[wary hinge]

not sure if me only having a m87 shotgun is a good idea though for assault, kinda ruins my ability to be aggressive

[hazy mural]

now, what i WILL do is, if they revive me and die doing so, I'm reviving them back 100% lol

[astral cave]

I had to start playing support today because the medics I’ve been around just run past me lol

[frozen comet]

Medics are blind af or something. I don't think the ui helps either tho. I turned my opacity for it up on everything besides downed team mates to help.

[hazy mural]

I don't think they're blind, some just don't know you're down next to them or they simply don't care to revive you.

[icy tiger]

I'm new to BF6, but I remember in 2042 you could get weapon mastery with reduced xp in bot matches. Is that not a thing in BF6? I honestly just like playing against bots but not being able to progress weapons kinda sucks.

[hazy mural]

now when you need AMMO and you got that AMMO ICON flashing above your head and they don't provide you ammo? Likely, they just don't know that's what it means lol

[frozen comet]

I think the only thing I really wish they would do is charge the paddles all the way

[steep sorrel]

most are just abusing the class for ammo for them selves, thats why they dont help others or resupply ammo to others

[astral cave]

Idk I switched to medic for the first time and was able to see everyone around me on the mini map and got 33 revives… it’s not that hard and used smoke etc.

On the flip side I was getting upset with how people instantly respawn

[hazy mural]

awareness homie, some simply don't know lol

[hazy mural]

NGL, i play Support because I like my ammo 🙂

[spare socket]

imo a regular revive should give 40 score and a charged revive should give 70

[gleaming cape]

how do can one counter how shit attack helicopters are?

[spare socket]

it should be incentivized.

[astral cave]

It really only bothers me on conquest when the whole point is to deplete enemy lives and no one gives the medic a chance to rez them which helps the other team when they instantly respawn instead

[native heath]

id help but its impossible to know who needs ammo. they should have a percent number on each player model so we kno

[frozen comet]

It it were up to me I would just remove partial charges

[hazy mural]

a big AMMO icon pops up above people's heads when they need ammo. If you don't know, just drop an ammo pack down, people will run to it if they need it.

problem is, no one really leaves an ammo pack down, i'm always searching when i'm not playing Support. But when I do find one, i will across the heavens for one lol.

[native heath]

never noticed this

[hazy mural]

yea, it can be a little subtle at first. Once you see it for the first time, you won't forget it. I believe it also flashes?

[tight prism]

Supports are to stupid to press the ammo crate button

[woven schooner]

whys thee compleete 5 matches as support bugged ffs

[hazy mural]

remove partial charges but keep the full, and the full animation? i wouldn't be opposed to it, that sorta nerfs the Revive Spam that needs a nerf imo haha

[frozen comet]

Yea it would be a hefty nerf lol but I'll take it since I almost never partial charge unless they're on an ammo bag

[rich torrent]

AHs are not bad lmao.

[hazy mural]

i wouldn't mind it. it's always a nightmare when i laydown to reload when i just killed 3 people and when i get back up, they all alive again in front of me 😄 lol

[gleaming cape]

they are shit

[rich torrent]

Explain.

[frozen comet]

That's gotta be the worst lmao

[gleaming cape]

weak as fuck and slow. if they are gonna die in one hit you should be faster

[hazy mural]

what's even worse is you reloading and hearing them all be revived lmao. But it makes for pretty high adrenaline situations, it's fun.

[rich torrent]

They are slow if you use the Heavy Payload upgrade, which is the trade off for having a wider radius and more ammo.

Fun fact, tank shells could one hit AHs in BF4 but not BF6.

[smoky tiger]

bf6 really need f1 cars in it trust me on this

[gleaming cape]

even without the upgrade their speeed sucks and its easy as shit to rpg them

[rich torrent]

That's an RPG velocity issue though.

[smoky tiger]

i cannot alone we need to form an alliance

[upbeat jay]

Any Latinos coming to Channel 2? If you know of any active Latino BF6 communities, send me a message. My account is gggabriel777

[granite igloo]

It’s crazy how different the rpg velocity is compared to the older games where it was slower

[gleaming cape]

no its a helicopter issue , its shit you cant change my mind

[rich torrent]

I've only been flying the AHs for 3 weeks (also never flown on MnK before this) and it's easy as hell.

[rich torrent]

The RPG velocity is quicker than BF4 but both games one hit the AH.

Even with the RPG velocity, the current kill record for the AH is 249 kills. Mhm, so terrible.

[hazy mural]

hmmm, AH either fly too slow or the RPG and TOW missle velocity are too fast lol

Or it's simply, both.

[rich torrent]

It's definitely the velocity that's the issue but a lot of people also don't know how to get the most out of the new flying system.

It's all about using the weight of the vehicle to get momentum.

[hazy mural]

Mmmmm, you're not wrong. Most of the time when i get hit by a TOW or RPG, it's normally me being care less and floating in the air. Always gotta move, only time it's okay not to is when you know the enemy team isn't doing well trying to shoot you down

[rich torrent]

Also a big issue with the TOWs right now is the spawn protection by the C-Ram which also protects the AA vehicle (because going out is a death sentence with its current balance).

There's legit 100 different balance issues within the game right now but the AH is not one of them. I think too many pilots just want the BF4 experience of going 80-0 back to back.

[spare socket]

idk man I've had like 30-40 bomb runs as a gunner in ACs and that's not on manhattan.

I think my highest on manhattan was like 90+ ish

the thing with ACs in this one is you neeeeeed a good gunner. A good gunner will single handedly drastically change your experience if you are sincerely a fast and dynamic enough pilot

[spare socket]

Imo projectile velocity across the board is overtuned in this one

A lot of it feels like it was tuned specifically for redsec and not MP if I had to word it. Kinda wish they’d seperate the projectile velocity balancing of the two

That’s more a minor issue imo but its a part of it

[crimson garden]

RPG in BF6 = nice rocket friend 😎 🚀 Penguin approves that the RPG is pretty fast in BF6, as lots of rockets in lots of games seems to fly in slow motion, but in BF6 nice velocity friend⏩ 🚀

[acoustic jewel]

wtf i didnt get the 85 tokens for my pro pass

i already had it completed before they added it

[crimson garden]

Don't worry friend, you're not alone about it. Penguin says the game team knows about it and there will be a fix later. Known information about that case is mentioned over there 👉 #game-news

[acoustic jewel]

alright fingers crossed they can fix it

[chilly garden]

I love that despite the game being full of bugs and problems, they don't give a fk about us

I cant have a fun while playing because of this mouse stutter shit

[wary hinge]

how goos is flechette?

[gleaming cape]

yeah cause in manhattan you dont have fucking tanks and infantry tows shooting at you alll game

[spare socket]

Decent on saiga on CQC maps.

Kinda mediocre on the rest imo

[wary hinge]

so it has less range then buckshot then

[gleaming cape]

AA turret, AA tank , tank , IFV , everything can one shot you

[spare socket]

If they can hit you sure.

I know quite a few cracked pilots

[crimson garden]

Penguin wonder, have you done the most common fixes to the mouse stuttering issue? It been solved with different solutions in this community multiple times.

Sadly fixes like that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place, but for now it is what it is, just a clean fact for many to deal with 😮

[rich torrent]

Everything is just incorrect.

A tank shell only does 764 damage unlike BF4.

[chilly garden]

I tried bro, I tried

[spare socket]

I’m talking bro uses the crashing of the crane on mirak to make 2 missles trailing him get hit as he ducks under the crashing crane and the missles when trailing hit the debris of the crane

[chilly garden]

its not my problem if so many player have this issue on reddit, ea forum

[spare socket]

Levels of insane.

They literally bob and weave on a level I can’t understand I’m a gunner

[gleaming cape]

tank canjust equip tow , everything can 1 shot you

[devout summit]

No

[wary hinge]

ehh I cant really tell much of a difference between flechette and buckshot

[rich torrent]

Not everyone runs a TOW and again, it's no different to TOWs in BF4.

[tribal zodiac]

Also someone has had my tracker page open all day lmfao, its not grouping any matches

[gleaming cape]

well then they are both shit

[spare socket]

Flechette is penetration rounds for shotguns.

If you see groups of people its good

Otherwise it’s literally just buckshot in a 1v1

[crimson garden]

Penguin PC stuttered once in BF6, solution was it seemed to be time for a restart after like 3 months uptime ⏲️

[tribal zodiac]

I dont and technically i qualify as one

[wary hinge]

so it doesnt really have any nerfs, just greater at mowing down groups of enemies

[rich torrent]

Sounds like a user issue.

[spare socket]

Yes

[wary hinge]

ehh I mean might aswelll use it

[spare socket]

Ie literally only use that on the saiga imo

[wary hinge]

sense my build isnt using many points rn

[tribal zodiac]

I could in theory

[chilly garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rRAaR6uUg you can see this thats my not fps problem because look normal on left top corner, doesnt happening other games

[spare socket]

Aight I gtg to bed then gn

[nova berry]

Goodnight love u

Sleep well xx

[crimson garden]

Penguin wonder, do you think the DB-12 could have used a buff in order to be useable at all? At least that's Penguin opinion @spare socket Also have a nice night Da Babu! 🎅 😃

[wary hinge]

ngl the m1014 seems pretty good. Not high enough lvl to play it yet but its dmg is decent

[nova berry]

Go to sleep

[wary hinge]

wish the other 2 shotguns were buffed though, I dont really see ppl running the 18.5 shotgun. which im guessing is bad

[tribal zodiac]

I cannot get this psr to level 50 fast enough, this thing is AWFUL

[wary hinge]

starting to see why the m87 is good though

ive gotten some pretty good rounds with it. Still would like to try the m1014 though.

[crimson garden]

Penguins observation about it lands on 3 things:
And they are all Software related
1: Overlays, Steam, NVIDIA overlays,
2: EAsyanticheat somehow making it malfunction if not having correct BIOS version.(Who knows why or how, seems to just happen?)
3: avoid using any FPS meters etc, Removal and sometimes reinstall of NVIDIA frameview, (Even if you had full driver kit freshly installed.)

Those are the 3 different known successful solutions this far to Penguin

[old tinsel]

gotta love dying to a nonexsting source of fire LMAO

[chilly garden]

these solutions also I tried, didnt help brother but thanks for you help

[tribal zodiac]

Are you on a ryzen system

[chilly garden]

no intel

[tribal zodiac]

Well nevermind then

[hazy mural]

You on that shotty grind? Lol

[devout summit]

No

[tribal zodiac]

Try turning HAGs off

[wary hinge]

might aswell

[chilly garden]

whats that

[devout summit]

I love tanks

[hazy mural]

I respect it 😂

[devout summit]

Will han solo be added

[wary hinge]

shotguns arent too bad they can be pretty good, specifically the m87

Ive gotten a few good rounds with them but the hitreg is still cooked

[hazy mural]

They have their pros and cons. Hitreg affect them and snipers the most since they're more of a big dmg weapon.

If one of them shots dont register, thats gonna suck big time 😂

[wary hinge]

especially for the m87, its entire thing is that it 1 taps immedietly

[misty yew]

Wow. This is the first I've seen of this kind of stuttering

[chilly garden]

maybe buts there a many videos in youtube about same issue especially after last update

[misty yew]

Oh that sucks. I haven't noticed any performance issues from the update so I haven't been looking to be fair

[tribal zodiac]

A setting

[wary hinge]

i mean you could do pretty good with shotguns sense the m87 and m1014 are good but with the state of the game assault rifles are probably just better, same with smg's

[chilly garden]

its not performance issues actually

input issue

[misty yew]

Oh gotcha

[hazy mural]

Ehhh, id say people who dont experience performance issues thrive with the shotty. It felt fantastic for me.

[chilly garden]

bc you can see the frametime graph etc. left top corner

in the video I mean

[wary hinge]

its not bad if you learn to hit the center of the chest, takes a bit to learn them but they do good

[hazy mural]

Have you tried plugging in a controller? Confirm if its a keystroke issue or mouse.

[wary hinge]

overall though smg's specifically atm feel very strong

[hazy mural]

I saw someone say that their game didnt stutter when playing with a controller. But they couldnt find a resolution either. 🥲

[hazy mural]

Very forgiving guns. Landing your shots matter more than anything.

[tribal zodiac]

He has the same issue i had, its a mouse issue

[chilly garden]

I dont like play with controller but yes with controller this issue disappears

[hazy mural]

Yeayea, not saying playing with controller but just to test 😂😂😂. Yea, looks like input issue. Weird problem to have.

[wary hinge]

I mean tbf shotguns were never meant to be forgiving. Your up close and personal and if its a m87 you dont even get semi auto so

[hazy mural]

Pretty wild for it to be tied to input/mouse 😂

[green heart]

What is going on with this game only 40k playing on Steam right now? I haven't played in a couple weeks but wow, I didn't think this game would be dying this fast on PC.

[tribal zodiac]

Are you on w11

[chilly garden]

no but I tried clean install w11 and w10

[hazy mural]

I used to stutter in BF and COD while on Win10, win11 also resolved it

[chilly garden]

I am on w10 rn and I think w10 still better than w11 bulls*it

[wary hinge]

I hope they do add more shotguns though sense they are pretty fun. There also isnt many of them compared to other gun classes

[hazy mural]

I think shotguns are meant to be a secondary, makes sense. But they'll add more shotguns, they always do.

[tribal zodiac]

Idk if you can turn hags off on w10, google it tho

[compact ruin]

is kord top 5 assault rifles?

[wary hinge]

Its meant to be a 2nd primary and I mean yeah you can use your ar over it but from what I know the m87 shotgun can compete better then a lot of assault rifles so

[chilly garden]

yeah I can but I was playing smooth before the last update

[hazy mural]

With slugs, they outdo most ARs to a decent range. High risk high reward though.

[chilly garden]

I think I shouldnt do anything until they accept their mistake and fix it

[wary hinge]

buckshot is good too but thats if you prefer going up close. And yeah thats probably why ppl dont use them a lot. If you screw up with a shotgun its most likely death

[tribal zodiac]

Up to you, i got my game playable again though

[heavy helm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/1q4elvt/bazooka_bug/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1 a funny edit my friend made for a bug we encountered during Redsec

[crimson garden]

Penguin hoping Season 2 arrives pretty soon 😃 More content = cool 😎 🚀 Hoping they will dare to add some real variety and unique map styles compared to what's already delivered

[hazy mural]

There really is no point in not trying to turn of HAGS to see if it helps for you

[chilly garden]

were you having the exactly same issue?

[hazy mural]

It's not the end of the world if you turn it off anyhow lol

[tribal zodiac]

Yes

[chilly garden]

better fps in games with that settings

but I'll give a try thanks

[hazy mural]

it could actually increase your FPS with it off, it could make it worse, it varies with different games tbh

[tribal zodiac]

Made zero difference for me

[misty yew]

Isn't HAGS just for if you want to run on frame gen?

[tribal zodiac]

I sent you another possible fix as well (dm)

[hazy mural]

hmmm, not particularly but it does help with lowering your latency, in which Frame Generation increases.

[misty yew]

got it

I guess I should make sure I have it toggled on then lol

[chilly garden]

I tried HAGS thing, didnt help btw

[hazy mural]

i can't feel the difference in input latency with Frame Generation on or off lmao

[misty yew]

Yeah as long as I don't have Vsync on it's good

I almost have to run this game with frame gen on because of how bad the performance is for me

[hazy mural]

BoOOOOO, what do you have PC specs wise?

I had mine on to try to generate as much FPS as possible since i have a 500hz monitor but it doesnt', so i turned it off lol

[misty yew]

laptop - R7 5800HS, 3060 6g

[hazy mural]

ahhhh, can't blame you then.

[misty yew]

Mirak Valley, Cairo, and Cali is an auto frame drop as soon as buildings start going down

For those maps, frame gen is pretty much the way to go

[tribal zodiac]

Ironically my latency is lower with it off by about 5ms

[hollow jasper]

Lmao what GPU do you run? I have a 9060xt and consistently run 120fps at 2k mix of medium to high settings and maybe at worst drop to 110 on those maps when destruction gets heavy, for some reason tho, for me, Iberian offensive is really intensive on my system

[grand holly]

anyone here is using a hall effect keyboard

[misty yew]

It's a 3060 6gb laptop so not a lot of power and max cooling. I'm afraid to boost clock on it

[hollow jasper]

Use the NVDIA app automatic GPU tuning

[hazy mural]

not surprised tbh. HAGS can do some funky stuff.

[hollow jasper]

It'll take about an hour, but it'll run your GPU through several safe known clock rates and select the best one for your rig

[hazy mural]

it's a 3060, no need to "overclock" it. Just leave it alone.

[hollow jasper]

Also, frame gen might actually be hurting you, because in general frame generation takes up about 1. 25 GB of Vram

[hazy mural]

If you weren't on a laptop, you could but you are, so not worth all that extra heat, it'll throttle anyway.

[misty yew]

Yeah, I guess I just need to bite the bullet and just get a better pc

[misty yew]

That was my fear on why I hadn't been

[hollow jasper]

Yeah, get a PC, but you can build a decent budget PC for about 1500 ish

[hazy mural]

yea, Overclocking 101, if you OC and it gets too hot, it'll throttle anyway, and you're just juicing it for no reason lol

[hollow jasper]

Also, like look on offer up and buy those old used 200 dollar PCs and then buy a 9060xt 16gb, it'll probably CPU throttle but thatll give you enough performance to play the game easily 120fps 1080p irregardless of cpu

[hollow jasper]

And in today's RAM expensive market, go with Intel 12th generation whenever you can after buying the used puter, up to Intel 14th gen is DDR4 compatible

[misty yew]

Yeah used is probably the way to go rn with ram prices

Appreciate the advice

[hollow jasper]

No problem!

[hazy mural]

So I believe the Mini Scout is the only Sniper without that sweet spot yea?

i wonder how big of a difference it makes, since i'm trash with headshots anyhow lol

[crimson garden]

Lots of practice = nice challenge 😎 Penguin thinks practice for most things can get you far when not giving it up 😃

[tribal zodiac]

12th gen chips are awful at running this game

[tribal zodiac]

A massive one

[hollow jasper]

Any particular reason why/elaborate on that? I didn't wanna suggest 13th and 14th due to them self destructing, and I'm currently running an i7-11700kf and doing fine

[hazy mural]

i'm testing it as we speak, 100dmg shot without hitting the head is nice lmao

[tribal zodiac]

Find a used 7800x3d and mobo and suck it up on ddr5 prices

[tribal zodiac]

My 12900kf couldnt run this game on all low at 144 fps

I was dropping below 100 fps constantly

[dry quest]

I run a 12600 and do just fine

[hollow jasper]

I'm running on a i7-11700kf and getting consistently 120fps on a mix of ultra and low, with a 9060xt at 2k resolution the i9-12900kf should be fine

[hazy mural]

wat, what GPU?

[tribal zodiac]

3080ti

My cpu was pinned at 100% near 24/7 on this game

[hollow jasper]

What resolution?

If you're forcing 4k that's a YOU problem lmao

[tribal zodiac]

1080p with dlss on quality

[hollow jasper]

That doesn't make any sense, you should be getting min 120 fps alone from the 3080ti

[hollow jasper]

Or you just have bud luck on the silicon lottery

[tribal zodiac]

Its funny you say that because said 12900k died 2 weeks ago

[river urchin]

What game should I pick up in the winter sale any recommendations?

[hollow jasper]

Do you have your HDMI cord in the right spot

[tribal zodiac]

Im on a 9800x3d now

[dry quest]

Im running a 12600k with a 7900 GRE ddr4 and i get about 120

[hazy mural]

at 1080P, that's bottlenecking your CPU no?

[hollow jasper]

It was honestly probably a bad bit of silicon lottery then, I just did a quick search on Google and haven't heard of anyone complain about its performance with Bf6 on reddit

[tribal zodiac]

It was pinned at 100% constantly

[hollow jasper]

True, I don't run 1080p because it runs worse than 2k

[hollow jasper]

More or less similar performance for me i7 11700kf 9060 xt

[hollow jasper]

Do you have constant dxg11 crashes btw? Rolling back your driver's fixed it for me and setting a custom fan curse damn near 100% all the time, the game doesn't like above 65c for some reason, even on a 4060 it didn't like above 65c

[dry quest]

I think ive really only crashed on bf6 maybe twice. And its generally just where i tab out and that game just poofs for some reason

[hollow jasper]

Oh wow lucky lol there was a bit I was doing it multiple times a day till I figured it out

[tribal zodiac]

Its worth noting that it ran on or above average on every other game i played

[crimson garden]

Penguin has a desktop with I9 14900k + RTX 4090, around 200 fps in general in 4k, that being with DLSS on. No issues with I9 14900k, but it's high power spikes makes sure it's necessary with at least dual fan water cooling 🤽‍♂️ to stop it from throttling.

For BF6 gaming only today, Penguin would choose going over to AMD CPU 9800x3D if making the choice, power efficiency is better in the x3D series than any intel series this far

[dry quest]

Sometimes i get that random black screen after loading out of a game. but i think thats a game issue not me

[hollow jasper]

Weird, tbh tho, the game is more on the CPU intensive side of things, the minimum it recommends is an i3-11100/ the reccomened for it is the cpu I use

[hazy mural]

im' theoritically 2 generations (1, really), on a 14900K, but i play at 1440P but also on a 4090. CPU reaches around 70%

[dry quest]

remember the good ol days when a top tier GPU wasnt the same price as a used car

[crimson garden]

Penguin detected hitting up to around 80% CPU usage in BF6 with that CPU, but that's OK 🚀

[hazy mural]

haha, my 14900K runs fairly cool, i undervolted it to make sure it didn't spike. When playing BF6, cpu never goes above 64celscius

[tribal zodiac]

Yeah well a $650 cpu dying 3 years after i bought it was enough of a reason for me to switch brands

Especially with my main game being CS, im not buying anything that isnt an X3D chip atp

[dry quest]

i want an x3d chip but they basically havent dropped in price at all, even the 7800 just cause they are so in demand

[hazy mural]

nah, you have a point there. I only got the 14900K because it tanked in price because of those issues. Got one new for $250 off newegg 1 year and a half ago. But I do a lot of video work so i needed the igpu to decode H265 4:2:2 ha

[crimson garden]

That's alright Penguin thinks, it will still do a nice job in BF6 or any game, + you often preserve the lifespan of the CPU with a undervolt. What matters is that it delivers what you need 😃 Especially for nice BF6 matches over there👉 🚀 Going off for a little bit over here to actually do some work, Penguin says work costs calories 😮

[stable ledge]

can we get some justice for ladders

[hazy mural]

you should be able to put ladders, anywhere IMO lol

with a few exceptions i guess but the places where you can put one down... non-existent

[stable ledge]

honestly feels like a waste of a slot 90% of the time, makes me mad when ziplines/grappling hooks used to be so fun in games like bf2:special forces

[hazy mural]

I also think you should be able to get skins for ladders LMAO.

[dry quest]

Assault should get a weapon bonus on carbines as well as AR's. would make em a little more enticing

[hazy mural]

meh, i would care more about Assault being able to pick up ammo from dead enemies. That would convert me to playing assault

[stable ledge]

or at least make the launchers have a wider radius, they feel pretty useless too, just feels like a beacon class when i play

tho i'm only like rank 87 and not super sweaty

[cyan plume]

why is this battlepass so glitchy

done a few weekly missions tonight got the green ticks and 0 battlepass points

not even getting the 1 point you get if you dont do am ission and loose lost about 20 points tonight because of this rubbish

not a single BP point tonight this isnt the 1st time its happeend

[short sparrow]

Anyone know how to fix alt+tab crash... i tried fullscreen and borderless doesnt work

[cyan plume]

windowed ??

[frozen comet]

Amd or bust

[stone timber]

He doesn't have any AMD software installed, but tried the other bit. The bug persists, but now it's only ctrl that causes it yesterday it was 2, 3, A, S, and ctrl

[tribal zodiac]

Check dm amd have him try that

[stone timber]

o7

[sage wigeon]

i would play assault alot more if they moved the mortar over to assault. Idk why but the mortar kinda tickles the pickle at some points in breakthrough

[cloud gazelle]

guess there is still no fix for the BF pro path in the pass for those that did the weekly too early 🙁

[tribal zodiac]

Mortarfield 6

[sage wigeon]

i mean im not sitting on the mortar to run the explo rounds... im using it to make so much smoke it gives the soldiers lung cancer to push objectives... you can shoot 2-3 rounds get off and get into position to push when the rounds land

[tribal zodiac]

That said being cpu bound on this game might just be a death sentence

Im doing everything i can to keep load off my cpu so if the AC does start having usage spikes i have the overhead

[river urchin]

Just shoot and scoot and you’re good

[tribal zodiac]

Like im on a 9800x3d/3080ti and playing on all low with literally no other processes opened

Still cannot believe the devs broke mnk input for a quarter of all pc players then just went on vacation

[stone timber]

He should be fine, he's got a 5900X

I think

I'm on a 5700X3D, and I never drop under 100 fps (although I have more cache than he does, of course)

[winter badger]

But hags improve the performance right?my dlss its so bugged i get fix s dlss visual artifacts only making my own dlss % at 75 from nvidia app

[tribal zodiac]

Disabling hags fixed that for me entirely, i used to have that bug and now i dont

[stray eagle]

there's this guy in my game called alpha lone wolf and he's doing nothing but sit on a hill with a sniper

[tribal zodiac]

Just like me fr

[stone timber]

I miss the days when you could change teams, and hunt down annoying players and kill them

[tribal zodiac]

I miss when i didnt have to play bot lobbies between 3am and 8am

[grand holly]

anyone who has a HE keyboard could u dm me ?

[tall zinc]

this is probably not what you're thinking

you likely have resizeable bar enabled for the game, HAGS is what intermediates with this

[tribal zodiac]

Ok? It fixed the 100% reproducable blurry horizontal bar bug for me

[tall zinc]

reBAR is off by default in the Nvidia driver, but can be switched on, you generally do not want to disable HAGS as it conflicts with MPO, you're best to turn that off instead

[tribal zodiac]

#screenshots-and-clips message

This no longer happens when it was a 100% constant issue before

[tall zinc]

yeah im aware of the artifacting issue w/ DLSS

[tribal zodiac]

Mpo being?

[tall zinc]

multi plane overlay, it's used by every application which runs in borderless mode to interopate correctly

[tribal zodiac]

And disabling that will fix that dlss issue?

[pine fog]

multiplayer in bf6 spuad 1

[merry bolt]

a solution has been figured out on the missing BF4 veteran rewards.. it's a weird task but it worked for me.. lol

you gotta download EA app, download battlefield 6 redsec and launch it. you'll get achievements.. once at the home page where you could usually join a game. you can close it

i had to wait a day for the rewards to pop up on my regular game tho

[tribal zodiac]

How bout a solution for the mouse stutters

Can we get one of those

[burnt bison]

What's the purpose of the bonus path if we have to spend money to unlock the rest?

[merry bolt]

I'm waiting on news myself about what's next for BF6. i want some new content tho. lol

[tribal zodiac]

I want my game to be playable, like at all

[merry bolt]

can you explain what stutter your experiencing?

[tribal zodiac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield6/s/aBJ1w2oBOe

A LOT of people have this issue and its anticheat related

[merry bolt]

i read about that.. very unfortunate.

[tribal zodiac]

Dice basically made this game unplayable for a good chunk of pc players then went on vacation

Like are we serious????

[zealous citrus]

so resetting secureboot keys didnt helped?

[tribal zodiac]

For about 4 hours it did

[stone timber]

wth, I got a message blocked for no reason? was it AI slop?

no, I can say AI slop

Okay, I can't say BS unless it's abreviated

I enjoy playing the game when I'm playing with friends, but I'm so sick of all the bs (can't say bulls##t I guess) around it, from the AI slop to my friends having issues, and the season pass

We're not even allowed to swear now?

can I say shit?

[nova herald]

the rules also say not to use loopholes to get around regulations, so be careful

[stone timber]

why can I say shit but not... Add the animal that excreted it, wtf?

There can be bug fixes before the content update

[zealous citrus]

also we never know when javelin have update so, stuttering fix can be earlier

[stone timber]

Yeah

[stray eagle]

I have not once, not twice, but thrice today been roadkilled by a heli, one was in BR and they finished me with the anti torque rotor are you kidding me

I'm fighting heli whisperers out here

[stone timber]

epic

[uncut dagger]

can any1 tell me how to improve in battlefield

[stray eagle]

difficult to rpg as support

[placid wyvern]

The SL-9 might be the worst SMG.

[stray eagle]

it's one of those guns where it feels ass until you figure out how to use it

[placid wyvern]

How are you supposed to use it?

[stray eagle]

long flanks, 60 beans in the mag, MUCH success

[placid wyvern]

So passively? Ugh

[stray eagle]

flanking is anything but passive

[placid wyvern]

As in, not head-on. The ttk feels too high.

And it feels very imprecise.

[stray eagle]

ttk is slow, but this is just straight up wrong, it's one of the most accurate weapons in the game

[dense bluff]

agreed

[placid wyvern]

idk, I feel it misses shots it shouldn't.

[dense bluff]

how far away were those shots...?

[placid wyvern]

Within 30m.

Obviously I'm not engaging people in AR range.

[stray eagle]

I mean the sl9 is accurate out to over 100m

[placid wyvern]

I don't have many attachments rn, so I'm leaning towards a lack of bullet velocity.

I don't doubt it, but I'm really not feeling it.

Is there an ideal grip to use? I'm using the factory angled.

[stray eagle]

factory angled is fine

[placid wyvern]

I only have the basic barrel for now, I'll see what it's like when I get extended.

[snow thistle]

Lf3 EU 5+KD sweats only (no redsec)

[placid wyvern]

But other SMGs seem to have comparable velocities, so I'm not sure.

[tribal zodiac]

It would appear my vacation is coming to an end

and i have managed all of a 2k kill lead ahead of 2nd place for sniper kills

[ionic shard]

i wonder why don't they just add campaign maps into multiplayer

ember strike and always forward maps could be solid imo

[placid wyvern]

It isn't that simple. While the playspaces work in single player, that doesn't mean they would translate well into multiplayer. There's a lot of planning to a multiplayer map that encompasses flow, sightlines, pacing, etc. that aren't as pertinent in campaign.

[uncut dagger]

is m4a1 good for new players?

[tribal zodiac]

I mean there really arent any bad guns, besides the TR7 anyways

[placid wyvern]

P90, M433...

[tribal zodiac]

I didnt have an issue with the m433, havent gotten to smgs yet tho

[placid wyvern]

The P90 is better as a RedSec weapon.

Oh, the M417 is awful too

[nova herald]

i wonder when we will get a followup on metro/locker/redacted in bf6

hot take but redacted is my fav of those 3

[odd sparrow]

How is it possible to get the BF Pro Season Pass done if there no missions dafuq

It disapears in 23h and i only have the first 3

[tribal zodiac]

??????

[stone timber]

idk how you can say the SL9 is inaccurate, in the test range I can full auto down the range and barely miss a shot

[placid wyvern]

Are you stationary?

Are the targets stationary?

[stone timber]

you know all guns get spread when you're moving, right?

[placid wyvern]

Yes, this one feels especially worse. At least to me.

[stone timber]

If the targets are moving, then it's just your aim

[wild crypt]

lmao i just ended up in a game with someone named 'void' which caused a funny conversation given my name

[placid wyvern]

I have over 20 weapons at level 40. I've cultivated my aim well enough.

[stone timber]

even moving, with tap fire it shoots dead straight

[placid wyvern]

Tap-firing is a death sentence against other weapons that can full-auto with less drawbacks.

The ttk on the SL9 is already so high.

[stone timber]

You understand that targets moving do not affect your spread, yes?

[placid wyvern]

Your point? A moving target is simply less predictable that a stationary target.

[stone timber]

Yeah, so why did you ask me if the target was moving?

also, you said 30 metres, I'm not missing a single shot at 30 metres straifing

[placid wyvern]

It factors in by bullet velocity.

[stray eagle]

why doesn't the mute button EVER WORK

[placid wyvern]

I'm not projecting my experience onto others, I feel it's imprecise.

[stray eagle]

I don't wanna hear every breath and keyboard click from this mf

[nova herald]

i ran into a problem where i could only mute one person in my squad at once. if i muted another the mute from the earlier one would disappear

[stone timber]

not sure what to tell you, it's very accurate strafing

[placid wyvern]

not sure what to tell you, I can't agree with that.

[stone timber]

at 100 metres, no less

not that I'm sure why you think you'd be full autoing at 100 metres, but it works

[tribal zodiac]

Why are we shooting at targets 100m away full autoing either way

[placid wyvern]

I'm not engaging at 100m. My complaint was outlined at 30m, as stated previously.

[stone timber]

and I'm doing it at 100 to illustrate my point

[placid wyvern]

And I'm failing to do it at 30m to illustrate my point.

[wraith canopy]

Which one had the brilliant idea to make the unlocks for the pro pass time limited? DICE you let me pay to force me to play this game, otherwise i would miss something.

Very, very bad concept imo. I don't want to be "forced" to play a specific game. I want to play a game because it makes fun!

[nova herald]

everything essential like guns vehicles etc are free, only skins cost real money

[stray eagle]

open mics are a plague

[wraith canopy]

Read it again. I said the pro pass

[dry quest]

An entire week to complete 10 tiers isnt that bad

[whole wyvern]

Where did that US Army bundle go? It was brand new

[split crypt]

I’ve only had one game where I got a squad of randoms with mic’s where they were actually competent. Every time I get a teammate with a mic they’re always some donkey who just breathes loud into it or just has hella background noise. Insta mute every time.

[placid wyvern]

Did they mention when they were going to deploy the retroactive fix?

[wraith canopy]

It doesn't matter how long its limited, its more about that it's limited at all! Why should i mind to buy such premium stuff again if they just want to force me to play the game? No thank you

[dry quest]

Bruh...YOU bought it. Why would YOU buy it if you dont want to play the game???

[wraith canopy]

I want to play it when I want to play it, and not because i could miss something i spend money for?! Its not that hard

[stone timber]

idk, just tried every smg strafing, full auto at a target 100 metres away, and the SL9 seems the most accurate

[placid wyvern]

And I'M saying I can't agree.

[nova herald]

ye it would be cool if we could finish the passes at our own paces, not everyone got time to play more than an hour a day. true

[stone timber]

You can't just deny reality, something else is going on, then. Your game doesn't work different.

[orchid badger]

Limited time BP makes sense for F2P models, not when you paid full price for a triple a game and likely the higher edition

LOL TRU

[placid wyvern]

Dude, I'm not denying that it's working for you. It's just not working for me.

[stone timber]

Well, in the target range, and hit reg affects all guns

[wraith canopy]

Indeed! Was in the game yesterday after a while and noticed "1d left for pro pass" and i was like: yea, great thank you DICE

[orchid badger]

You can't just deny reality, something else is going on, then. Your game doesn't work different.

[dry quest]

If everything was obtainable forever nothing would be cool to have

[stone timber]

at least try to apply it in a way that makes sense if you're going to be snarky about it. Hit reg affects all guns the same, because it's a netcode issue, and this issue is more or less eliminated in the target range. One gun doesn't get magically worse hit reg than another because of the netcode.

[placid wyvern]

And you're projecting your experience onto others like you don't understand the concept of subjective experience.

[orchid badger]

It makes sense just less sense than when you used it

[ionic shard]

M417 is my top 3 carbine lol

[orchid badger]

Damn you've been FOMOrotted

[ionic shard]

Besides m4a1 and sg 553r, its the best one imo

[wraith canopy]

There are plenty of games which don't shut down any battle passes, which makes absolutely sense: players are able to buy those passes even after years AND instead you are forced to play the game, you can just play it when you want

[split crypt]

Good thing it’s hardly important and is not even remotely worth aiming for since the multiplier in this game is lower than past BF’s

[stone timber]

"My reality is different than yours, maybe gravity affects me different" Idk man, I count the shots that land, I start from the same position, strafe in the same direction, and I hold full auto.
If your shots aren't landing, it isn't because your install of the game has unique spread from all other players on this one specific gun.

[orchid badger]

Rev just give up

[placid wyvern]

I also count the shots that land! I also experiment for myself!

[dry quest]

The average player can do that pass in a week. You cant play the game 1 hour a week and excpect the game to cater to you

[wraith canopy]

Ofc i can, i bought that xD

[stone timber]

and yet your reality is different from everyone else that tells you it's very accurate. Go ahead and try every single SMG in the target range.

[orchid badger]

You know there's lots of other really popular multiplayer games right? This reads like defending subscription model epidemic with "it's only the price of a coffee"

[dry quest]

Why would you spend EXTRA money on a game you never play.

[placid wyvern]

Do you think I'm making this up or something? I'm not suggesting that it applies to everyone, I just don't like the gun for myself because in MY experience it's not as precise.

[wraith canopy]

Was better in previous BF titles where you had premium stuff and no battle passes..

[orchid badger]

Yeah idk why I keep coming back to this discord expecting an actual back and forth, it's just people drooling over their own takes

[stone timber]

You seem to think that others are making it up. You're the one making the exceptional claim.

[ionic shard]

reddit is worse

[stone timber]

"People say the SL9 is accurate, I say they are wrong"

[placid wyvern]

What gave you that idea?? I never claimed my experience to be objective.

[orchid badger]

Honestly this whole community is the worst bf community I've been a part of so far. Genuinely insufferable

[placid wyvern]

I never called others wrong, just that I disagree.

[stone timber]

I don't have the energy for this

[quick wolf]

SL9 feels like the KTS to me

[stone timber]

A disagreement is, in fact, a denial of the facts

[placid wyvern]

How graceful of you.

[orchid badger]

You can disagree with opinions bro

[wraith canopy]

Who said that? I have 180hrs in that game lmao
I just played a new game for like 2 weeks, and thats what i'm talking about
I just bought a new game and now i'm missing the stuff i bought in BF6 xD its ridiculous

[indigo basin]

😃

[ionic shard]

Not the whole community, whiners are just loud in discord and reddit in general. People whp enjoy the game like me spend their time in the game

[stone timber]

The spread of a gun is not an opinion

[orchid badger]

Nah I've interacted with plenty in game chats too. High rate of cretin

[orchid badger]

I'm replying to your horrible read on what disagreeing is.

[ionic shard]

Honestly its funny to think the reactions of same whiners if they were here around BF4's release

[orchid badger]

It feels like it when you try to criticise the game tbh!!

[ionic shard]

BF4 definately had worst release and worse maps and yet people say BF4 is the best BF lol

[orchid badger]

Because they fixed it very well. This game gets worse every update lol

[stone timber]

You can't say "I disagree that this gun doesn't have much spread" without making a claim about the reality of how the gun works. That is a disagreement over a fact, not over an opinion

[lusty hollow]

honestly i just turned off in game voice since no comms ever have been worth it from my team mates in my experience lol

[wraith canopy]

Bf4 had great maps lol
You know that people are different right? XD

[ionic shard]

Its been like 3 months since the release tho.

[orchid badger]

Let me put it more blunt, idc about your desperate argument with Rev. I'm simply saying your take on what disagreeing is in general life is wayyyy off

[ionic shard]

It took like an entire year for BF4 to be actually playable

[orchid badger]

And that's supposed to make it better?

[quartz wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[ionic shard]

No, didnt mean that

[quartz wolf]

aw Boooo

[stone timber]

I understand that you can disagree with opinions, I shouldn't have worded it like that, the point is that this is not a disagreement over an opinion

[orchid badger]

That is fine 🤝

[split crypt]

I’ll say it, BF1 is overrated and I’m tired of pretending it’s not

[ionic shard]

Why

[orchid badger]

I'm still pissed off at how inaccurate the gameplay and guns were to WW1... They should've just made it WW2 if they weren't gonna focus on WW1 traits at all

[lusty hollow]

i found some maps pretty anti infantry and it takes actually forever to unlock anything good for anti vehicle, although tbh i havent played alot of it so it could be much quicker than i think

[lusty hollow]

best battlefield and its not even close

[ionic shard]

WW2 was massively over-used content at those times tho.

[wraith canopy]

It was my fav shooter back in the days until the new ones where released 🤷🏻 bf1 and bf5 where great too. But bf4's maps was peak imo

[orchid badger]

Has nothing to do with my point though

[tired flower]

Good morning chat. I see we are right on schedule for our morning argument session. I'll be back later for the weekly "maps are too small" whinning session.

[lusty hollow]

really didnt like 5 but it was damn pretty ill give it that

[ionic shard]

But you said they should've make a WW2 game?

[orchid badger]

IF they were gonna ignore the unique traits of bf1

I'd rather a Vietnam game back then tbh

[ionic shard]

Oh I can agree on that

[orchid badger]

BF1 is just a ww2 game with WW1 assets

[split crypt]

Game was only good for 3 things, great atmosphere, decent maps and great graphics.

Guns were bad, and it never actually felt like a WW1 game. There was a genuine meta in that game and a good battlefield shouldn’t have a meta. Everything should be viable. But there was plenty in that game that wasn’t viable in the slightest.

[ionic shard]

Or a cold war game in general

[placid wyvern]

Way too many automatic weapons.

[orchid badger]

Most of the meta was just prototype weapons that barely saw any usage at all in WW1. What a shame.

[heavy ruin]

Maps too small tbf

[wraith canopy]

Hell let loose feels very good, its a ww2 scenario

[split crypt]

This too

[wraith canopy]

Oh yea i remember the servers where very bad sometimes xD they had a lot of updates dunno how it is these days lol

[stray eagle]

weirdly enough my success in a match appears to be inversely proportional to the size of the map

with the noted exception of operation firestorm... for some fuckin reason

[split crypt]

Take away its great soundtrack, it’s great graphics. It’s a pretty mid battlefield, still is even with those.

[stray eagle]

liberation peak? I'll maybe place top 5 with a 1.3k/d, iberian offensive? easy #1 locked 4-6 k/d

[placid wyvern]

I feel like there's a correlation by whether vehicles are included.

[lusty hollow]

I couldn't disagree more if I tried. But it's midnight and I'm not in the mood for an argument

[stray eagle]

(it's a correlation by whether the attack helicopter specifically is included)

[placid wyvern]

Right.

[stray eagle]

I die to two things in this game more than anything else. The attack helicopter, and for some reason the l110

[forest bloom]

PATCH???

[split crypt]

There’s hardly anything in that game besides the atmosphere it provides that makes it anywhere close to being a good battlefield. People genuinely play that game HUD off just for the atmosphere. You take that all that away it’s truly not a great game. You can disagree all you want, just my opinion.

Compared to BF3 and BF4? It’s middle of the pack at best

[heavy ruin]

Like in any battlefield we have to wait 1-2 years until it becomes finished

[dire tendon]

when get the players who completet the challenges the bonus path points

i will get my 85 bonus path points

to complet the bonus path

[placid wyvern]

Yes, the gun feels better now that I got the extended barrel.

[fleet tapir]

When we exit a vehicle can we control which side we come out of?

[regal wyvern]

lmao wghat

[placid wyvern]

Supposedly, you're able to control it with a directional input. But I can note a couple times it didn't work.

[split crypt]

Didn’t stutter

[regal wyvern]

thats the singular stupidest take ive seen in my life

[vestal lava]

losing my mind at getting constant controller bots in quads

i really hope they add trios to battle royale

[regal wyvern]

there's nothing wrong with a meta and metas will exist no matter what you do lol

[fleet tapir]

Yea that's what i thought cuz i came out the exact opposite side i wanted and hilariously blocked a rocket with my face

[regal wyvern]

its literally impossible to avoid them

[fleet tapir]

So the tank survived the splash damage

[placid wyvern]

idk, at this point my default assumption with any quirk in this game is the result of a bug.

[split crypt]

Objectively factual take, you’re just too biased towards that game. There’s no meta in this current game, everything is great in its own way.

Same with BF3 and BF4

[regal wyvern]

I'm not biased towards bf1 at all. Its one ive played but i have no love for. BF6 absolutely has a meta to it lol.

tf do you mean it doesnt. there are objectively bad and best weapons.

[split crypt]

Only thing that is truly bad is the pistols save for the magnums.

[regal wyvern]

thats not exactly true (the tavor for example is hot garbage), but that also doesnt preclude the existence of best weapons. Which are a thing.
I'm also not ignoring the fact that mid tier or average things exist. The spectrum is there, as it always is in any competetive shooter.

[rich torrent]

Are people denying that there is a meta again? 🙄

[regal wyvern]

unfortunately. love your name tho btw lol

[placid wyvern]

Unless weapon proficiency were uniformly distributed, which is statistically impossible, then there is a hierarchy that naturally emerges regardless of how well-balanced the weapons are.

[rich torrent]

That love is definitely not shared within matches lmao.

[regal wyvern]

I feel that lol. I'm not insane with tows but i can clear the skies competently and have had many complaints.

[rich torrent]

Getting accused of "auto aim TOWs" around 10 times has been my favourite so far.

[regal wyvern]

hahahha, thats awesome tho. good job.

[split crypt]

So you can name only one weapon that’s hot garbage, and it ends up being the one gun that is not even remotely close to that.

[regal wyvern]

tavor, ak205, mp7, ump40, m60, lmr, db12, all handguns. I think im forgetting one.

m60 isnt exactly garbage but its not worth using over literally any other lmg

[rich torrent]

It's impossible to avoid metas, it's literally quite that simple.

[split crypt]

M60, mp7 are not bad weapons. Tavor is by far the best CQC AR in the game.

[regal wyvern]

exactly my point lol. its a competetive shooter (in terms of you have two people trying to win on opposite sides, we're not talking like... csgo kind of comp). Any shooter like that is inherently going to have a meta.
He's also ignoring my point about best weapons...

[rich torrent]

But there are better weapons, which is where meta and tier lists come into play.

[regal wyvern]

"bad" is admittedly a little subjective. But that being said, they're functionally outclassed across the board. The tavor struggles against better smgs (scw10 exists...) and shotguns. You're also fully handicapping yourself in anything that isnt tdm basically.

but also, bad doesnt mean its not fun. The tavor is trash but its hella fun lol

[rich torrent]

Most weapons aren't bad but most weapons are bad compared to the better weapons.

[regal wyvern]

tows gets it lol

[tribal zodiac]

I havent run across a gun that isnt viable yet

[placid wyvern]

If the TR-7 excels at close-range, then you're conceding that other ARs are not as effective at close-range.

[regal wyvern]

everything is "viable" some stuff is just more "viable"

[split crypt]

That’s where I hard disagree when I use that weapon regularly in breakthrough and still place top 5 with over 30 kills on average with it

[placid wyvern]

Ergo, a meta emerges.

[abstract nexus]

Rpk my favorite AR

[regal wyvern]

then you can use it better in that circumstance than i can. which is totally fair.

[rich torrent]

The AK205 is hot trash, someone playing well with it doesn't magically make it not hot trash.

[tribal zodiac]

And i place top of the board every single game with a PSR, that doesnt automatically make it good

[regal wyvern]

but how many people have your experience vs mine with it...

[tribal zodiac]

I did the same thing when i was using the ak205 too lmao

[split crypt]

Any ar is effective at close range. TR-7 is just the best at it.

[regal wyvern]

scar and l85 would like a word. g3 too probably.

[placid wyvern]

Yes, therefore you're conceding that one weapon is better. Therefore, a hierarchy of assault rifle proficiency at close-range emerges.

[split crypt]

They still 3 tap in CQC. The only difference is fire rate

[regal wyvern]

but also yeah, youre still admitting theres preferences for certain things lol. which is... a meta.

[nova herald]

is any gun a lazer in the sense of how pp29 was in the beginning of 2042?

[regal wyvern]

two of those dont. they're 25 max dmg to the body.

[tribal zodiac]

You had me until L85

Thats the last AR i'd want for close quarter fights

[regal wyvern]

thats what i said

its bad in cqb

[split crypt]

Preference isn’t the same thing as meta. A preference is personal. A meta is an objective fact. Hence why it means “most effective tactic available”

[regal wyvern]

when the preference is universal its a meta lol

[tribal zodiac]

Well the TR7 isnt that lmao

[placid wyvern]

Would you say the TR-7 is the most effective tactic for assault rifles at close range?

[split crypt]

I never said it was meta

[regal wyvern]

if you want a cqb ar yes. if you want to play cqb effectively there's better options.

[placid wyvern]

I know, I'm asking Zion.

[split crypt]

I would say it’s objectively the best AR for CQC yes

[tribal zodiac]

That depends entirely on how many people are on my screen lmfao

[placid wyvern]

Then you agree that the TR-7 is a meta pick for close-range.

[regal wyvern]

10rnd mag was fun as shit ngl lmao

[tribal zodiac]

SV98 and M44 final answer

[split crypt]

Sure, but in terms of the root conversation. This game has a soft meta, bf1 had a hard meta

[placid wyvern]

That's not what's being stipulated. You argued that the balance was so refined that there was no meta whatsoever.

Now you're conceding that it does, but it's a "soft" meta.

[split crypt]

A poor choice of words on my part then but that’s where I’m getting at

[regal wyvern]

so it does have a meta...

[nova herald]

hate to say this but theres no such thing as a fact, everything is a subjective opinion made by someone higher above. if new info were discovered it all could change in a second

[split crypt]

A soft one

[analog moss]

Some people in this conversation should seek a psychologist and get tested

[placid wyvern]

Curious of who you're referring to.

[tribal zodiac]

Yeah its called being better than the guy you're shooting at

[regal wyvern]

👆

[swift dock]

Anyone need one?

[regal wyvern]

lmao true

[split crypt]

Anyone can use the better guns, doesn’t mean that player will be effective at using that gun. In a hard meta, those “best guns” carry the worst players

[regal wyvern]

side note, bf1 has a much less of a meta than even bf6 if you play 200% dmg.

[placid wyvern]

The weapon itself still factors in to a player's success.

[tribal zodiac]

I mean its at a point where just a 10% skill gap between players is enough of a difference to make up any difference between the weapons

[split crypt]

Playing HC doesn’t count because that’s the case for literally any shooter with a one shot kill mode

Every gun becomes good

[tribal zodiac]

Like the fact i can pick up any gun in this game and play relatively the same says a lot

[placid wyvern]

I'm not sure if you're pointing at me

[regal wyvern]

i was. im also curious who he's referring to.

[split crypt]

This is why I say there’s no hard meta, everything is viable

[placid wyvern]

I mean as an answer to the question.

You didn't say "hard" meta at first. You said no meta.

[split crypt]

As I said, poor choice of words, but a soft meta is hardly a meta at all

[rich torrent]

AK205 would like a work.

But again, everything being viable doesn't mean there isn't a top weapon (meta) that's better than everything.

[placid wyvern]

0.00000001 is infinitely larger than 0. "No" is not the same as "negligible".

[tribal zodiac]

I'm gonna pretend like the ak205 isnt my 2nd best full auto weapon

[placid wyvern]

"No" is a farcry from "soft".

[split crypt]

Semantics arguments really are bottom of the barrel in terms of argument meta’s

[placid wyvern]

I'd call it a soft meta, personally.

[stone timber]

farcry is a game, actually

[tribal zodiac]

Usually when people say meta "hard meta" is implied

[split crypt]

Thank you

[tribal zodiac]

I dont think ive ever seen it not be the case actually

[placid wyvern]

Feels made up.

[regal wyvern]

its made up

[split crypt]

It’s not, very real term actually

[rich torrent]

I've been killed by the DB12 a total of 1 time, AK205 no more than 20 and the SV9 SMG (?) 3 times all within 450 hours.

Compare that to the Kord, NVO, SCW, etc.

[tribal zodiac]

If you want a definition of soft meta lol

[regal wyvern]

side note, ive discovered the only use of the ak205

[placid wyvern]

Metas are usually examined with the assumption of equivalent skill brackets.

The disparity between weapons is less apparent at low brackets, and more at high brackets.

[tribal zodiac]

I will be VPNing to your island and hunting you down with the ak205

[regal wyvern]

killing console headglitchers from across the map 🙂

[placid wyvern]

You have no preference at all?

[plush vigil]

TR7 ftw

[split crypt]

Tell me you don’t waste black hawks and kamikaze with them…

[rich torrent]

My island? 😂😭

[tribal zodiac]

Do we count "any sniper that isnt the PSR" as a preference

[placid wyvern]

But absolutely no preference? If you had to pick one, you couldn't?

[rich torrent]

TR7 or you're throwing.

[split crypt]

This hurts my soul

[placid wyvern]

A complement, but yes.

[split crypt]

A sentiment I will die on

[placid wyvern]

Which is an example of a sample-size meta.

[tribal zodiac]

I'm not sure i'd call me sniping at sub 25m a meta

Its likely the opposite

[split crypt]

Bro is using the bottom of the meta for argument tactics

[tribal zodiac]

mfw 0 ttk

[placid wyvern]

Forget it.

[plush vigil]

SVDM is also pretty solid... Currently lvling this one up for redsec

[tribal zodiac]

Bot special

[placid wyvern]

A sample preference alludes to population usage statistics, which is what outlines a 'meta'.

[tribal zodiac]

Oh i mean the bots on this game will get on a tow missle and use it on infantry

[split crypt]

I knew you were pretentious when you used the word “ergo” unironically.

[tribal zodiac]

And they dont miss, if you cant break the line of sight you are 100% a dead man

[placid wyvern]

I can be pretentious. Doesn't bother me.

[quartz wolf]

"Deploying mines at 800ft of altitude from a helicopter is meta." -Some guy

[placid wyvern]

Weird.

[quartz wolf]

heheh

[tribal zodiac]

You should look at nearly every other sniper main on this game

[olive wyvern]

Hey looking for a duo partner for a chill game

[regal wyvern]

can an ak205 kill a fully armored player in one mag in redsec?

[cerulean glade]

yes

[placid wyvern]

I think every weapon is capable of downing a full-armor player in one mag.

[tribal zodiac]

How, the m87, m1014, m44 and 357 dont use magazines

[placid wyvern]

hmmm good point.

[regal wyvern]

he's got u there

although, the shotguns actually do. they're tubular magazines.

[tribal zodiac]

Yeah its odd, also i dont use the esr anymore i guess

[placid wyvern]

bored

[tribal zodiac]

As one shouldnt

Im only at checks notes 567 hours

[placid wyvern]

woof

Where do you see these stats?

ah haven't used that in years

[plush vigil]

21.2% wich is top 38 % of all players

[placid wyvern]

I don't see why not, tracker pulls from the actual kpas.

[regal wyvern]

i miss battlelog

[placid wyvern]

Wasn't that a dedicated stat proxy?

[regal wyvern]

no

[cinder ledge]

Did the BF Pro bonus path issue get fixed for people who already completed the challenges?

[regal wyvern]

battlelog was the web based launcher for bf3, 4 and hardline (4 got updated to match bf1's built in launcher)
it was shockingly good.

[placid wyvern]

Didn't it also have stat databases and forums though?

[regal wyvern]

yes

[placid wyvern]

ok, that's what I meant

[regal wyvern]

thats part of why it was so good. excellent breakdown of data, easy control over loadouts, assignments, etc

[placid wyvern]

iirc it was first-party, right?

[regal wyvern]

plus it made anticheat super easy as you could just pull data from it to make things like bf4cr

yeah ea/dice thing or whatever. run by them. expanded on with tools by the community, ie bf4cr, betterbattlelog etc

[placid wyvern]

I feel like that's a dying feature these days.

[regal wyvern]

it is unfortunately. battlelog was better than any current ui/launcher yet

the "new" bf4 ui (the one that launched with bf1) is terrible. utterly horrible.

[placid wyvern]

Reminds me of halo waypoint

[regal wyvern]

never experienced that

[placid wyvern]

Wasn't a launcher, but it did everything else. It was the core platform for discussion, too.

[regal wyvern]

interesting

[placid wyvern]

They deprecated the forums, and the stat tracking is notoriously unreliable for the MCC and Infinite. Halo 5 tracking was lost entirely.

And all the discussion migrated to the septic tanks of Reddit and Twitter.

[cunning arch]

when is the second season ?

[placid wyvern]

Three weeks, according to the game.

Though anything can happen.

[regal wyvern]

long time for no updates

[placid wyvern]

I forget, when did this season start?

Like a month after release?

[regal wyvern]

not sure

[cunning arch]

but this is not sure?

[placid wyvern]

It's most likely accurate, but this game is so poorly maintainted to begin with.

Don't put stock into my being uncertain, it's probably the one correct thing.

[cunning arch]

I also think they've responded well to the errors and fixed some things. But clearly there are still some details that need fixing.

[placid wyvern]

You're right, I'm just a cynic.

I wish there were ways to get more hardware boosts.

[cunning arch]

yes

But I think there are also some external problems affecting us (at least those of us with PCs). Like the lack of optimization in Windows 11, and also some bugs that have emerged in the NVIDIA drivers.

[modern gyro]

Not yet, no.

[rich torrent]

Responded well?

It took them 4 weeks to disabled the MR Missile and 5 weeks to fix it alongside the Drone and Sledgehammer glitch.

They broke mouse inputs with the Anti Cheat causing stuttering and then just went on holiday.

People weren't getting compensation for EA app issues on launch day till like 2 months later. Audio, hit reg and desync are still bad after fixes.

The list can go on and on honestly.

[cunning arch]

I was able to complete the route without any problems last week.

[rich torrent]

28th Oct.

[placid wyvern]

So release date? I guess I meant when the first content update came out.

That felt more like the beginning of the season I feel.

[rich torrent]

Game launched on the 10th, Season 1 came out on the 28th.

[tribal zodiac]

Broke mouse inputs is in understatement

[placid wyvern]

Ohhhhh, I thought it was the 28th the game came out.

[tribal zodiac]

BFV and 6 are completely unplayable for a good chunk of PC players with no workaround or communcation on the issue

[rich torrent]

I'd probably get slapped with another mute if I used the words that the situation deserved lmao.

[tribal zodiac]

The only reason my game is still tolerable is because im borderline on a supercomputer that can handle the anticheats tomfoolery

[placid wyvern]

In contrast I'm a brokie.

[tribal zodiac]

So basically if you get mouse stutter and dont have a 7800x3d or 9800x3d you're just dead in the water until they fix it

[wise tapir]

Yep, I'm feeling that rn. Considering upgrading my cpu for that

[tribal zodiac]

The part that gets me is that the bug has no triggers and seemingly affects people at random and is different every time you open the game

Like its 100% reproducable but not in the same way every time lmao

[rich torrent]

Yea I've noticed that myself lately, no issues for like 2 weeks and suddenly it happens for a single day 2 days ago and then stops.

[cunning arch]

I'm talking about bugs that can be fixed with hotpatching; there are other things that take time. Compared to 2042, this game is a bit more stable.

[tribal zodiac]

Luckily i found out that disabling HAGs fixes the dlss blurry bar bug

[rich torrent]

MR Missile and Drones/Sledgehammers literally had 4 weeks to be turned off and weren't until a week before the fix.

[rich torrent]

What is HAGs?

[tribal zodiac]

Like the mouse input issue thats been present since the 14th of december and is anticheat related?

[rich torrent]

Whilst the anti cheat team is still in the office. ^

[tribal zodiac]

And affects a massive group of players rendering their game unplayable?

[peak totem]

XP boosts need to stop counting when you are loading in to a lobby or when you are just sat in the menu like I've wasted 2 minutes of my boost just sitting for the match to begin 😤

[wise tapir]

The xp boosts counting outside of matches is so vile ngl

[rich torrent]

They make less money doing this.

[wise tapir]

Who even buys xp boosters?

[rich torrent]

Whales.

[wise tapir]

Fair lol

[peak totem]

I earned all of mine

[wise tapir]

Yeah, just saying that they'd be such a waste to buy since they count down outside of matches too

[tribal zodiac]

Since when could you buy them

[crimson garden]

Penguin bit mixed about that one, since Penguin used only one XP booster by accident & not choosing to buy or use because it's running while idle too. All XP boosters except for one = just gathered up.

[wise tapir]

I swear I've seen em purchasable somewhere, I could be wrong though

[rich torrent]

I mean I hope it changes, even the COD devs knew it was a good decision to change it so that's saying something.

[crimson garden]

Yeah, Penguin pretty sure we agree on wanting more practical XP boosters for them to be worth getting, especially if spending on, that's the mindset 👉 🦢

[humble trench]

im pretty close to alt f4'ing at least once per gaming sessions with bf6 lol

[crimson garden]

Penguin of course huge fan of BF6, because BF6 = cool 😎 Otherwise time would be spent on other topics you know

[wise tapir]

Same lmao

[humble trench]

i might have issues but the game has more issues

[wise tapir]

Bf6 has potential but it could be sooo much better

I feel that, I also love getting shot behind cover

[rich torrent]

And they stop using Ai.

[wise tapir]

Tbf there's not a lot of good stuff you could spend it on, anyway

The most recent skin feels so ai

[pine torrent]

That’s why I’m so salty over portal conquest getting kneecapped like screw XP gain let me play PvE in peace when netcode and hit reg make the game into a casino sim

[rich torrent]

Portal is the worst thing to ever happen to Battlefield.

[crimson garden]

Bigger expectations = bigger boom when falling 🚀 💥 Penguin thinks BF6 did exceptionally well at launch, but to keep momentum going is big challenge. It is very similar to the concept of a engine that needs re-fueling every so often, hopefully the upcoming season will add some more rocket fuel to BF6 🚀 😎 It is not impossible friends

[pine torrent]

If PvP is a crap shoot then PvE is the only way I can see myself enjoying it because twitchy gameplay + dice roll mechanisms independent of my skill = not very fun

[wise tapir]

The launch was great, but the way the season has been handled so far has been a bit of a bummer. Also not a fan of these constant small bonus paths. Hopefully they'll learn from this and improve in s2 though, because the core gameplay is great

[rich torrent]

Battlefield isn't a PvE game and due to Portal, we lost Server Browsers, Map Rotations and a better Community experience (Rented Servers).

[pine torrent]

I’d prefer working PvP but if PvP mechanics are a disaster then working PvE seems like the only alternative to have “fun” for me

If I can get the drop on a guy dump 26 rounds into him and still get zero hits because Le hitreg red then PvP just turns into rage baiting

Like if the game is going to freeze my mouse every 5 minutes then the only real way I can see myself enjoying BF6 is agaisnt bots where that kind of stuff isn’t relevant

[crimson garden]

Penguin agrees that listening to friends is like giving fuel to the rockets 🚀 Would be easier if all the different friends and players could agree on what kind of rocket to fly though 🚀 👈 or👉 🦢

[frozen comet]

Most players are rpers and I've seen too many games fall apart cuz devs listened to rpers

Yee

[pine torrent]

Like @rich torrent no offense but PvP uber ales only works if the underlying mechanisms are reliable otherwise the game turns into a RNG Simulator where you’re playing that the netcode/hitreg/whatever cyber demons run mouse input work as intended

[calm wasp]

Medics in this game fucking suck

[pine torrent]

But it shouldn’t work this way a PvP game shouldn’t be based on “who can ratfuck broken mechanics the most”

[calm wasp]

What happened to the battlefield 4 medics who'd run to the hot zone of metro 2014 and revive 20 people

[frozen comet]

Mordhau would prolly be the best example

[regal wyvern]

both sides suck. i cant rez anyone if they dont wait. and no one rezzing me even if i wait 🙁

[calm wasp]

Exactly

[frozen comet]

The entire point of battlefield is role-playing a soldier

Both are wrong

Mordhau fell apart cuz the devs listened to rpers and made the maps shit to cater to rpers

[stable haven]

most medics in this game really do suck lol

[maiden aurora]

I'm a medic main. And I'm always help my teammates, no matter when they down

[pine torrent]

Maybe in a shit player or childish but whenever I get kneecapped by the game I get pissed it just feels like a slap in the face again case in point me dumping 20something M4 rounds at point blank at some guys and them just turning astound yeeting me

[frozen comet]

Cuz neither are rping

[stable haven]

Being a medic main is great. Free points lol

[peak totem]

Wish you could level up your gadgets

[stable haven]

I wish weapon exp wasn't so grindy

[peak totem]

I love a good grind

[regal wyvern]

still gonna play support cause its the only class worth using

[peak totem]

I'm always grinding

[marble stag]

It's an Amalgamation of multiple things. There's indeed bad medics, but also people dying in the most stupid spots, and not much in the game actually promoting waiting for a revive (apart from your K/D)

[stable haven]

recon is pretty good if you use the motion sensor while cqb with the sg553r

[marble stag]

Games are quick, respawning is quick, right back into the battle. Reviving usually isn't rewarded much

[pine torrent]

That’s why I think there should be a casual rush and conquest option if playing against real people is dysfunctional then let me get my dopamine rush agaisnt brain dead bots who don’t really “care” about hitreg

[marble stag]

Something for everyone, i don't like playing against bot but i see why you would want that

[maiden aurora]

In gauntlet it's much rewarded. That's my opinion

[frozen comet]

These bots are relentless. They're not great but they sure do know how to see behind them and through walls.

[stable haven]

I wish we could one hit defib an enemy to kill them like in previous games

[regal wyvern]

yes

[frozen comet]

It was like that in the beta then they messed it up

[pine torrent]

I don’t like it either since there’s no challenge unless you’re playing a tactical shooter where AI has crack shot capability but if I have to choose a game that forces me to learn the hitreg system instead of meta and playing against bots I’d rather play against bots

[calm wasp]

Battlefield 4 was the last game with a forced revive time rather than a skip option

[stable haven]

speaking of revives, I hope we can at least agree that the drag revive feature is amazing lol

[calm wasp]

Yeah it is cool

[frozen comet]

Should let me shoot my pistol when I'm being dragged

[stable haven]

ooooh that would be neat

[crimson garden]

Drag revive function approved, Penguin wish more medics would use drag revive to cover, there's enough instant deaths after revive

[maiden aurora]

Agree

[marble stag]

Meh, hard to balance. The bots are either easy to kill or borderline aimbotters

[somber schooner]

No in between lol

[marble stag]

Ideally they add some randomization in their accuracy based on the average player

But that's a lot of work on AI for gamemodes not much people play i guess

[pine torrent]

As a full time medic I’ll also say this reviving is often a suicide pact for the support and the revived player if most players are playing like bots and getting sniped in the open the reviving just lets enemy snipers get a 2 for one

[marble stag]

It's simple, if i can't revive you without dying i won't revive you

That's not a medic issue, that's common sense. No sense in retrieving one life if we're going to lose another anyways. Or two.

[pine torrent]

I also feel like some people playing support think defib >>> uber alles whereas sometimes you need to use the syringe to drag the guy or gal into cover

[marble stag]

Smoke grenades. Drag to cover, release quick then defib. Still faster than drag.

[crimson garden]

Penguin notice bots seem to be able to detect a sniper glint instantly from a near infinite distance, while they are being near blind sometimes in other aspects 👉 🦢

[pine torrent]

That’s an option too but a lot of players just spam smoke walls with full auto

[marble stag]

Jay detects a sniper glint in milliseconds at infinite distance

They stand out quite a lot lol

[placid wyvern]

Bots are cheating, fundamentally. They just handicap themselves to be playable.

[marble stag]

Bots are simply nerfed aimbots

[pine torrent]

I guess a lot of normal BF6 deaths that aren’t attributed to the games “quirks” can be solved by thinking ahead

[sage wigeon]

what else are we gonna do with 100 rounds in an LMG XD

[placid wyvern]

Yep, they always know where you are at all times and the best way to aim at you, but they're hardcoded to slow themselves down.