battlefield-6

[hollow finch]

Eastwood is pretty good until all the covers gets blown the fuck off

[humble trench]

shoutout to people in vehicles intentionally flattening the map for fun /s

[sturdy spindle]

or just use this bad boy #screenshots-and-clips message (highest score and kills)

[wild crypt]

if im doing breakthrough on eastwood, i go out of my way to assault HE launcher the houses on the other side of the street so snipers can't as easily hide in the windows

[native heath]

blackwell is awesome tons of action

[tribal zodiac]

I can keep up with the best riflers in this game no matter what mode you put me in, i just like breakthrough so i can level up faster really

[hollow finch]

Yeah i absolutely love that snipers can literally get on any roof they like and ruin my day by playing that way

[tropic horizon]

snipers are not the ones getting on roofs unless map allows anyone to do it

[sturdy spindle]

yea but i was saying a dedicated sniper mostly doesnt spend their time in other modes that arent meant for snipers

[hazy mural]

I only snipe when the enemy team has too many snipers. I like to teach them a lesson lol.

[humble trench]

i can honestly barely remember breakthrough on eastwood cause i stopped playing that mode by then lol. but even in escalation some people love to run over the bushes on their side of the map at the center and im just like... bruh... do u want to make it harder for your own team

[tropic horizon]

anyways, sniping from roof is usually super obvious, and while annoying, often loses games

almost every match where too many enemies do the potato sniping, they just lose

[wild crypt]

realistically imo the rooves that are only possible to get to via helicopter should be out of bounds on that map, just my two cents

[tropic horizon]

its annoying but bad, good players dont really do it that way

[sturdy spindle]

its only bad when theres too many snipers on it and not outputting high kills

[hollow finch]

It don't care if they lose the game tbh. It makes playing infantry infuriating and having fun and more important a fair feeling game is more important to me

[river urchin]

I know Battlefield is throwing the RPMs to extreme amounts but come on the scar isn't 536 should be at its normal 625

[green frigate]

In my games snipers just ruin hun fights. Flank behind take 2 out and get doomed from 250m on a mountain

[tropic horizon]

thats my point exactly, yes

[sturdy spindle]

start jump sliding, they cant hit u

[hollow finch]

Yeah right. Bf6 is like the easiest bf game ever to connect sniper shots on

[wild crypt]

jump sliding, zigzagging, and if you have height over where you are running, superman diving

[fiery oxide]

Game balance comes before realism

[tropic horizon]

to be fair i somehow found kar easier to use in bfv

[sturdy spindle]

nah jump sliding will have them tracking very differently

[quartz karma]

you gotta do the mario 360 dive jump slide tech

[tropic horizon]

but maybe because netcode is more reliable there

[wild crypt]

the movement thing i have possibly found most ridiculous in this game is that if you fall off something, you can roll backwards instead of just forwards to break the fall.. i don't know if that works that way realistically lmao

[sturdy spindle]

yea i tried

[fiery oxide]

You can also control your direction in the air

[wild crypt]

also rolling backwards causes the movement to get mildly derpy while you are rolling backwards

[sturdy spindle]

i like that u can roll into a prone

[tropic horizon]

stuff is derpy a lot anyways

i today found a spot on cairo where i point mouse forward flat, but if i stand up i point 30 degrees upwards, and not straight

[wild crypt]

i am glad that they allow you to spam spacebar to hit the roll because i have no idea of the exact timing of it lmao

[humble trench]

i do like to zigzag and even stop moving briefly if i can feel out the timing of a sniper, but in this game it feels crap to do because of the desync. its the same issue when you are in a sniper battle with another and you can see the rounds coming at you, you can sidestep it and it seems like they would have missed but on their screen youre already dead. that inherent server code delay makes it all a bit derp

[wild crypt]

oh boy, you want to see something fun on cairo, let me see if i can find the video

[sturdy spindle]

u can just hold the jump, slide, prone, and it will work

[tropic horizon]

just made it completely inpossible to fight from that spot, but then like half a meter to the side it behaved normal

[sturdy spindle]

hey werent u sniped first blood in close quarters

[hollow finch]

You guys prefer your guns without any camos and other stupid shit?

[sturdy spindle]

i use black camo on tan guns

[wild crypt]

i should really figure out how to get access to the screenshot/clip channel

[tropic horizon]

ohh that, i think someone posted that one yesterday

[wild crypt]

and my message got deleted, presumably because i shouldn't be posting videos here 🤷‍♂️ oop

[tropic horizon]

eee you pick a role in the channels and roles

[hollow finch]

I like the tan on guns that feel like it.. should be there

[tropic horizon]

i put some camo looking camo on my guns, greenish/tan thing that looks well.. like camo

[wild crypt]

got that role now, so now i can actually post my videos in the right place

[hollow finch]

I used to do that but then i realized that it makes the shape and characteristics of the gun disappear which in turn looks cheap

[wild crypt]

i should also figure out why nvidia's instant replay thing in the nvidia overlay keeps turning off because usually i don't bother to record something until realizing after the fact that it would've been nice to record it

[tropic horizon]

idk, i like camouflaged weapons, as long as its camouflage and not some random color nonsensical things

[hollow finch]

Use obs video buffer for clips

[humble trench]

youre not the only one with that issue, pretty sure its an nvidia bug to solve, so expect nothing lol

[hollow finch]

Generally just... Better

[humble trench]

yeah this even works if u have just 16gb ram, as long as u dont go overboard on reserving the memory for it and the length/size of the clips. OBS works pretty well - and then you throw them in handbrake for a quick clip that fits on discord (under 10mb)

[sturdy spindle]

using nvidia instant replay in 2026

[wild crypt]

its been this way since ever.

I have 32 gb of RAM so i guess i'll try the obs buffer, although i need to be careful, even with 32GB of RAM, BF6 + having a couple of firefox tabs open means most of my RAM is used

i honestly wish i was joking

[hollow finch]

What the fuck

[humble trench]

i can reserve 1gb mem just fine on 16gb total. if i have firefox open for too long i just restart it and dont load all teh tabs and that brings its ram usage down to normal

[shut forum]

got my first defib kill accidentally lol

[wild crypt]

it might be windows being weird, since it is at 80% RAM used but the 'top' ram users are firefox at 4GB, discord at 2, and BF6 at 2 (am on menu)

[hollow finch]

Eh, windows is pretty drunk when allocating ram sometimes. I doubt it's going to be a problem though. Windows usually likes to allocate an excessive amount until it's actually used up, then it becomes more conservative

[humble trench]

windows always reserves as much memory as it can so it makes it seem it needs a lot, but it doesnt

you can literally reserve 16gb of ram in OBS if u want lol

[maiden fog]

why is bf6 so fun

[split vine]

I use urban/stormcloud camo on all my guns, it looks great

[hollow finch]

Fun until it isn't

[native heath]

its hella addicting to get couple games in daily

[hollow finch]

I can only play like a couple days a month cause i'm in the fken military

A lot of the days off are just spent on sleeping

[wild crypt]

now my new issue is that obs refuses to detect bf6 in a game capture scene and i get the sneaking suspicion that using window capture will probably kill my fps a bit

[humble trench]

the only thing i have to deal with as someone who has limited cpu overhead is exactly that, obs uses some cpu when its opened. pretty sure its got no gpu load the same as shadowplay as it uses the gpu's encoder chip or smt

5700x3d works well enough for bf6 but obs added on top is iffy, i lose performance, so i dont really bother with clips anymore

[near mirage]

How do I heal teamates ?

[humble trench]

throw support packs on the ground at busy places where teammates get shot at

[hollow finch]

Everything uses the hardware en/decoder. Even watching a video on youtube in your browser. There will always be a small performance impact despite it technically not being a part of the 3D engine. 5% ish usually

[fervent urchin]

why dont i have perms to send in #screenshots-and-clips

[humble trench]

5% is not bad. if it runs at 150 fps then you lose ~7.5 fps

[hollow finch]

I'm not smart enough to tell you why it has a small performance impact but somewhere along the frame pipeline more work is done

[tepid estuary]

is it possible to get rendezook in a private lobby? like regular conquest, no modifiers?

[fierce fox]

Lf1 recon to grind duo wins

[errant agate]

They should have co-op missions in the game bf6. Anyone ever played warclutch? It would be nice to have some sort of gameplay like that. Getting boring going against the same gameplays like pvp’s we need missions like war clutch style.

[hollow finch]

Gauntlet is great imo

It's just bs that snipers act as if there isn't armor at all. You can still one shot to the head as normal and two shot body in almost all situations

[sturdy spindle]

will we get manhattan but rainy just like we got it with snow

[hollow finch]

A night map would be nicer

Actually idk. Could be thermal hell

[sturdy spindle]

maybe manhattan but cloudy

[clear sky]

any update on the patch for the bonus path issues?

[hollow totem]

Solution: swipe your card

[reef bolt]

dice still hasnt pushed out a fix for those who already completed the challenge

[gloomy oracle]

rip our CoD skin, for us people who bought the pro pass

[tribal zodiac]

@upper gyro idk how you use the PSR, this thing is buns

[near mirage]

How do I get the red badge for each class ?

[sturdy spindle]

is bonus path fixed yet

[upper gyro]

sheer force of will and eating crayons

[tardy beacon]

Guys how to get 85 bonus path points if i already completed all quests?

[sharp iris]

need 2 for redsec

[sturdy spindle]

i want my free cod skin

[stone timber]

He's not, I'm afraid

[hazy mural]

i've spent $400 on skins for BF6 and i haven't gotten a single one, WTF

[stone timber]

Tranquilfield 6 - Season 1: Smell The Flowers :)

[stoic moat]

Lol...
LOL
🤣 🤣 🤣

[clear sky]

im not asking how to fix it smart ass, i know they are working on a fucking update, im asking if anyone heard any new news about it

[tribal zodiac]

Is he on a ryzen system?

[stone timber]

Yeah

[hollow totem]

Normally they get posted in #game-news

[tribal zodiac]

Tell him to uninstall all amd software and try it

[hollow totem]

Do they even tease updates?

[stone timber]

Will do

[hazy mural]

anyway, how do people even have problems with tokens and the BP stuff lol

[tribal zodiac]

I just did that and its not doing it anymore

[hollow totem]

Wdym, couldnt you get max 30 pts before hotfix?

[tribal zodiac]

If it said amd or radeon i uninstalled and restarted

[sleek needle]

Get into tank. 10 kills. Die. Get into tank. 10 kills die. Repeat.

Run on foot. Get 50 kills. 0 deaths. Kill 10 tanks in one match. They really ruined vehicles didn’t they? Engineer is so overtuned.

[hazy mural]

no idea, i didn't have any issues at all in general, so when people make posts regarding it, i'm dumbfounded lol

[tribal zodiac]

And im launching my game through "eaanticheat.gameservicelauncher.exe" as administrator @stone timber

[tight prism]

Did they remove it?

[hollow finch]

Idk there was this bonus mission for me for like 30 headshots that gave me 85 points

[hazy mural]

people do challenges? lol

[hollow totem]

Do be

[hollow finch]

By accident mostly

[odd flame]

so did anybody else received the 85 points from the bonus challenge for the Pro path? or is this a bug?

[sturdy spindle]

bonus path is it fixed

[hazy mural]

i envy people sometimes lol. I don't ever pay attention

[stone timber]

I sent him a screenshot, i am barely awake

[hazy mural]

Also, guys, KORD or DSR? which one is best gun?

[hollow totem]

Some people want to collect everything they can

[tight prism]

I received my 85 points but I did it after they fixed it

[odd flame]

what if i ended the chalenges before the path was fixed and i didn't receive anything?

[hollow finch]

433 lowkey

[sturdy spindle]

idk i just want my cod skin

[tight prism]

You forgot 433

[hazy mural]

Shiet, i'm RPing all wrong

[odd flame]

i got only to lvl 3 on the path

[sturdy spindle]

u forgot to answer his question 50 times

[hollow totem]

Ive only played DSR, never touched KORD. From this chat I've gathered that KORD is more of a noob trap than anything

[odd flame]

and all my challenges were completed

[tight prism]

lol nope. I’m trying to behave better New Year’s resolution

[hollow finch]

It does suck indeed

[tribal zodiac]

It was really good before all the other guns bloom profiles got unfucked

[odd flame]

how can i receive the 85 points?

[hazy mural]

it was just /s but the Kord is actually good, very forgiving. Damage profile isn't my cup of tea though.

[shut forum]

hollow points help it out tremendously

[hollow finch]

Bait

[tight prism]

It’s not. It’s very good at mid range+ for an AR

[hollow totem]

Oh, kord has 20 base. Surely it doesnt drop off at 20 meters

[hazy mural]

i'd argue hollow point is overrated for it lol

[spare socket]

I mean it's already a pretty easy gun.

2 headshots with hollows within the first 21 meters reduces the shots to kill from 5 to 4

[odd flame]

anyone knows how can i get the 85 points for the pro path? or do i create a ticket on EA's support(hardly would be solved)

[tight prism]

Most ammo isn’t worth the cost imo. Even the hollow points. Unless you consistently hitting all headshots it’s only saving you one bullet to kill

[hollow totem]

Aiming head is trolling for 99% of the playerbase tho

[hollow finch]

I don't like kord because it has a really bad ammo economy and i'm usually not around support players

[hazy mural]

i'd say the average person won't average 2 headshots per gunfight lol

[hollow totem]

Is there like a site that I can check weapons ttk instead of having to boot up xclusiveace vid?

[hazy mural]

i mean, i don't actively aim for the head unless i'm using the QBZ with Synthetic rounds but otherwise, my % for headshot is trash

[hollow finch]

Calculator

[hollow totem]

Surely thats a site and not a literal calculatie callout

[hollow finch]

It isn't that difficult bro

[hollow totem]

I'm not going to test every weapons dropoff range

[tribal zodiac]

Ive gotten 100+ kill games with every sniper but i dont think im gonna be able to do it with this one

[upper gyro]

yeah it's absolute slow as balls

[sturdy spindle]

type ttk calculator and click first result

dont watch xclusiveace hes bad at video games

[hollow finch]

ttk isn't that important tbh

[upper gyro]

I've only ever capped out at like, maybe 70 with the PSR

[tribal zodiac]

Problem, the SV98 is just as slow and i broke my kill record with it

[upper gyro]

how many sweet spot shots

[hollow totem]

I was presented with a dogshit reddit doc sheet

[hazy mural]

is that 100+kills in breakthrough tho with sniper?

[tribal zodiac]

Yes

[upper gyro]

I find the SV98 is far more consistent for sweetspots than the PSR

[spare socket]

fair

[odd flame]

anyone?

[tribal zodiac]

It would be nearly impossible to get 100 in any other mode

[sturdy spindle]

should be github

[hazy mural]

i feel like it shouldn't be too difficult to hit 100 with whichever Sniper you have

[near mirage]

How do I get the red mastery badge for each class

[sturdy spindle]

until ur gun is the ak205

[hazy mural]

Conquest you likely can't, in Escalation you probably can

[spare socket]

There's class challenges you gotta complete those

[tight prism]

@spare socket

[near mirage]

That’s it ?

[near mirage]

Thanks

[hollow totem]

I mean, is his data wrong or?

[spare socket]

It's under the class tab in the challenges sections

[spare socket]

His data is correct.

if you want data without having to click a video for ttks (check the description links)

#screenshots-and-clips message

[sturdy spindle]

hes just reading the numbers on the weapon stats

[hollow finch]

That's different

[hollow totem]

What else would you want tho

[sturdy spindle]

u can go to the weapon stats urself

[hazy mural]

well, TTK on the AK205 is probably more consistent at a certain range versus other guns. Considering you're likely hitting all of your shots

It's just also bad... everywhere else lmao

[sturdy spindle]

theres other zero recoil guns that kill 100ms quicker

[hollow totem]

I mean, he has ttk for every range, specific game interactions visualized. Idrc about his subjective takes

[upper gyro]

He does do a number of tests with attachements, guns, for recoil patterns etc and posts them for everyoen to see. Far quicker than doing it yourself, and they're objective observations that are perfectly valid no matter who it comes from

[hazy mural]

Yes, zero recoil but the AK205's spread is generally better

[spare socket]

I'll dm you a google sheet rq

[sturdy spindle]

not really

its the exact same as SL9 and KTS, and sor556 is barely less spread, not enough to miss 100m

[hazy mural]

i dunno lol, the AK205 feels better to me, the SOR 556 no matter what, feels like dogpoop

[tight prism]

Is there info somewhere on base recoil in different weapons? Like some guns really need recoil attachments to be viable and others don’t

[sturdy spindle]

maybe ur build bad

[hollow finch]

Synthetic on the sor can help

[hazy mural]

i mean, maybe, but I also just don't like the SOR lmao

[sturdy spindle]

kts, sl9, ak205, sor556, sor300 mp5, mp7, can pretty much run no grip, slim handstop would be enough if it has it

every other gun should at least run slim angled or ribbed stubby unless u hate real accuracy

[hollow totem]

Mfw using a gun that loses to pistols at close range

[near mirage]

No one is picking up my supply pack 🙁

[tight prism]

If I had to pick between one or the other I prefer take accuracy over mobility

[sturdy spindle]

they give both

[hazy mural]

i can assure you, i am not interested in any builds for any of those guns lmao

[sturdy spindle]

ah hell nawl

[hollow totem]

Ak205 is just new players bait

[hollow finch]

1x on a gun that can only compete in ranges where 2.5x is like the starting point

[magic walrus]

is the m39 EMR 1 shot headshot with hollowpoint?

[hollow finch]

No, it's fucking terrible

[proud brook]

just finished cyberpunk edgerunners and im crying like a toddler now

[magic walrus]

ive been trying the SVR but its same dmange why is SVR better

[hazy mural]

that said, i'd never use the 205 or SOR556 lol

[proud brook]

better used as a poker

[hollow finch]

Because it recoils a lot softer. Dmrs kinda suck though

[proud brook]

i havent had a single gun hit 50

[hazy mural]

i think my first 50 was probably the SG553 lmao

[hollow finch]

I only have the 417 and dsr on 50

[hazy mural]

I knew immediately the SG553 was top tier

[hollow totem]

Wdym same damage? The only one to two tap in body

[hazy mural]

he's probably comparing the M39 and the SVDM*, not the SVK

[magic walrus]

oops sorry i was comparing SVDM to M39 EMR

[hazy mural]

SVDM is the better gun between the two IMO. For awhile, I was using the 20rnd mag and reddot/2x sight on it for close range combat lol

[hollow totem]

Well, SVK exists so kinda pointless to play other DMR's

[gloomy oracle]

BKZ just got 126 kill game with it. I mean its a very avgerage gun.

well all the DMR have same TTK basically unless you add hollow point

[hazy mural]

Breakthrough i guess? if so, 100 kill games in breakthrough is not a good gauage bro lol

[reef bolt]

I just like the sg553 icl, i mained it in battlebit before it fell off

[hazy mural]

SG553 is fun to use, good at everything 😄

[reef bolt]

Cool factor above all 🤫

[magic walrus]

how far is the headshot 1 shot on the SVK with hollowpoint do you know?

[gloomy oracle]

breakthrough is the only gauge? if you care about competitive than 7-8 guns get banned out and its 4v4 or 6v6 or 12v12. But you can also farm 100 kill games on Conquest on Empire or Cairo.

[hollow totem]

22m iirc

You pick dmr for body shots, not headshots

If you want to go for headshots you play miniscout instead

[gloomy oracle]

i only have 2 games over 100 kills with SG553 I've stopped using it, cause the spread feels horrid now. Its fun though for certain maps

[wraith tulip]

Did they absolutely fuck up the netcode yesterday or some shit? went from going like 20-3 every match to not being able to kill ANYONE, people are absorbing 10 shots from an LMG and 3 tapping me with an AR in less than a second

[slender epoch]

there’s a reason why player count is this low man . matchmaker sucks

[reef bolt]

I run blue laser + light barrel and i find it much more consistent at longer ranges now

[hazy mural]

You realize I said that Breakthrough is NOT a good gauge right? It's more to do with the way breakthrough is played, if you can farm 100kills with the M39 on Conquest or Escalation, that is a lot more impressive, is my point.

[hollow totem]

High killcount is rng in the end

[hazy mural]

it really is, requires the games to also go as long as possibru lmao

[hollow totem]

And depends on me not being on the enemy

If youre fucking my team up I'll make your life miserable

[gloomy oracle]

feels like it sometimes, lots of games where I have 70-80 kills before 2nd sector, and either win too hard and attk can't cap the 2nd sector, or team lose too hard and team can't cap the 2nd sector...

that's 140-150 pace games, but more players are better or have better guns.

[hollow totem]

Better start shuffling and pulling Michael Jackson moves or your head will get blown off

[hazy mural]

tell me moar

[hollow finch]

You can make anything work in bf6. That is not like a scale of what makes a gun good

[slender epoch]

alright dice give me good teammates for one day in my life

[hollow totem]

Idc about KD, I will hunt down anyone who shoots me

[hollow finch]

Bf6 has pretty fast ttk for how easy guns are to use

[slender epoch]

[gloomy oracle]

its avgerage, of couse there are better guns for sure. But there are definitly some guns you couldn't get 100 kill games unless a full blue moon and the stars align like LMR27

[hazy mural]

i said this on Reddit, and got downvoted into oblivion ahaha

[hollow finch]

It's reddit

[hazy mural]

i feel like i could probably do it with the LMR27 if i played breakthrough lol

[upper gyro]

you're gonna see equally shit takes anywhere, even here. It's not just reddit.

[wary hinge]

hello

[hazy mural]

although, it'll be an assist king gun lol

[hollow totem]

I've tried out lmr27 for like 5mins, I'm convinced it's better than ak205

[wary hinge]

what do yall think of shotguns in this game

[hazy mural]

ban Shotguns, i hate them

[hollow finch]

Shotguns are pretty balanced imo

[upper gyro]

I think they're fine.

[spare socket]

balanced but have some weird hit reg sometimes

[wary hinge]

ngl I just wish they were more consistent

[spare socket]

if anything they're a fair bit weaker than versions from primary entries to buffer them as a weapon sling based weapon for the assault class

[upper gyro]

They would be once the hitreg gets sorted out

[hollow finch]

They would be if the shot just landed center mass

[warm mist]

can i snipe with slugs?

[humble trench]

conversely, if shotguns were more consistent and easy to use, there'd be many more people running assault dual weapon and we'd all be complaining about it in here

[hazy mural]

Shotguns too easy, my friend convinced me to use one, easiest game of my life on Iberian Offense

[hollow finch]

I specifically come here to complain. Like why the fuck would i otherwise be here

[wary hinge]

I mean there is nothing wrong with consistent weapon

[upper gyro]

better that weapons be consistent so a good player can know what the limits are when fighting against it

[tribal zodiac]

Is anyone else suddenly getting a bunch of "new bests" all of a sudden?

[hazy mural]

i feel like the shotgun was the most consistent gun i'd ever use lmao. I unlocked the slugs mid-match and that thing was ridiculous

[humble trench]

i think shotguns are teh same as automatics, but considering theyre 1 shot weapons you will notice issues with them much more. coming out of sprint and going in to ADS with an automatic its no big deal the first bullet went 90 degrees off to the side, but you cant afford that with a shotgun

[hollow finch]

Shotguns feel inconsistent because you actually need to aim with them and that is a good thing.

[humble trench]

basically its game design x netcode making them iffy to use

[spare socket]

you can't really hip fire shotties in this game

[warm mist]

message got deleted cuz i said fuck lol

[spare socket]

the way they spread it's basically gambling. You gotta ads and full commit the shot.

If ya miss you die.

[tribal zodiac]

Why are my ingame stats reset

[humble trench]

also that, hipfire adds basic bloom so you will be rolling the dice

[spare socket]

[hollow finch]

That can't be against the rules can it

[tribal zodiac]

Everyone in my game is having the same thing happen

[wraith tulip]

Idk why I keep playing this game, it's the worst feeling BF game in forever -.-

[wary hinge]

yeah shotguns feel really weird imo but I guess im balling it anyway

[stable haven]

ngl I kinda want them to remove breakthrough

[wraith tulip]

Say what you want about BF2042 but at least the gunplay felt like Battlefield, this is so fucking arcady it's a joke

[spare socket]

dice also makes shotgun spread a lot different in BF compared to other shooters.

Instead of all the pellets individually randomly spreading the actual pattern of the pellets stays the same 24/7.

Where that entire small section of pellets goes is the random nature.

So if spread decides to send your shot to the upper right corner of your hip fire reticle you just die to sheer gambling you opted into

[warm mist]

maybe it was because i insulted the playerbase (even though i seen it done all the time, directed at specific people and nothing is done about it)

[hazy mural]

bruh, Shotguns feel amazing lol. But also, i don't have desync/netcode issues

[stable haven]

okay I tried NVO today and that gun is worse than tr-7

[upper gyro]

don't think too hard, the automod is AI slop that can't make up its mind

[spare socket]

tldr:

if spread says: yk lets choose the upper right hand corner allll your pellets go there and you opted into this by hip firing

[humble trench]

it makes sense shotguns have a certain accuracy/bloom penalty in hipfire, imagine if they were spot on all the time, would make it a chore to play against lmao

[stable haven]

I don't get why anyone would praise the NVO. Terrible terrible gun with one of the worst accuracy ever

[spare socket]

even if they weren't if the pellets individually deciced they would be wayyyyyy more consistent

[hollow finch]

The 417 is basically just a lot better nvo

[spare socket]

with 10 less rounds and more visual recoil. It also can't access the light barrel attachment

[hazy mural]

eh? 2042 gunplay doesn't feel any better or worse than BF6 lol. Why are you upset? can't shoot a specific gun?

[stable haven]

yeah but I was trying to grind weapon camos lol. I think m417 is already lvl 20 for me at the moment

[upper gyro]

I've gotten chat banned for less

[hollow finch]

Eh it's not too bad on a 1x scope when you smooth out the recoil with the light suppressor

[wraith tulip]

90% of the guns are absolutely terrible, the netcode is a bigger joke than the bf4 launch, the gunplay feels like that stupid BF1943 arcade shooter on xbox 360

[spare socket]

of the guns with reduced magazine sizes in their classes (kv9, scw-10, m250, m240L, tr-7, ak4d)

the m417 is the odd child out to me

[stable haven]

I wish they would increase the NVO's precision stat

[wary hinge]

yeah I prefer the individual chance, its weird that I usually hit and it straight up 1 taps them or it does 30 dmg max

[spare socket]

it's "realistic," sure. Irl the gun has a 20 round mag but still

[hazy mural]

what makes them terrible though?

[wraith tulip]

Oh idk the spread, the damage, the insanely low mag count on half the weapons?

[hazy mural]

So it's a skill issue. Got it.

[spare socket]

I'm just saying I would take a fully kitted NVO with the light barrel and blue laser any day

[wraith tulip]

The fact that people are absorbing 6 hits from the m60 at 50 meters but spinning around and 3 tapping me with an smg at that range?

[spare socket]

that's not possible

Unless you have like the worst internet imaginable or netcode decided to screw you

[wraith tulip]

Literally happens every match since the last month or so, completely dropped the m60 because of it

[hazy mural]

Skill issue. Netcode you can complain about, i don't experience issues but i know people do. However, complaining about spread and low mag ammo is WILD lol

[wraith tulip]

500 mb/s fiber optics, netcode is garbage

[spare socket]

do you full auto the m/60 at long range?

[hollow finch]

Just don't use the m60 then, what's the problem

[upper gyro]

keep it up and the automod will actually ban on righteous grounds for once lmfao

[warm mist]

yeah half the guns dont kill near instantly so 'they're unusable and garbage' because people don't know how to pick a gun that feels good or looks cool anymore, if it isnt meta its straight dogshit and you're a loser for using it (please pick guns cuz they look or sound cool instead of falling into the meta slave trap)

[spare socket]

cuz you can't really do that. It's a gun that needs to be tap fired at ranges (tap fired really fast mind you)

[humble trench]

ur prolly both right lol. there are servers where teh first handful of bullets sometimes completely get disregarded like they dont exist. but if u dont deal with bloom for each specific weapon ur gonna miss a lot.

[spare socket]

dang bro got banned ☠️

[upper gyro]

called it

[hazy mural]

I'm going to bet he doesn't burst fire

[lucid surge]

Do suppressors matter in red sec or is it only a multiplayer thing

[hazy mural]

but also M60, so SLOW, if you don't land your shots to begin with, you're dead 10000% lol

[spare socket]

i feel so too

[spare socket]

I've discovered some interesting qualities about it. It apparently has the fastest spread reset time in between shots in the game if you rapidly tap fire the gun (and i'm talking spam your mouse clicker)

which is funny cuz the irl m/60 is used similarly

[hollow finch]

Meanwhile i'm making builds seem realistic and tactical instead of slapping a russian optic on an american gun because everyone else does it

[stable haven]

so I'm supposed to tap fire the m60?

[spare socket]

tldr never hold the trigger with the m/60 unless necessary.

tap the hell out of it

[hazy mural]

Certain guns do well with a pause in between, fast pauses though. It's why I just use the M4A1 for everything most the time even though it's built for Hipfire. Because the burst firing is super accurate at long ranges lol

[spare socket]

very fast

yes. I'm talking like 20ms pauses between shots

[humble trench]

u know his statistics probably werent far off if he felt that 90% of the weapons are bad, lets say roughly 1 in 10 weapons is a laserbeam that has easy recoil and even easier bloom...

[warm mist]

yeah, because you're a real human being and not a bot that scrapes yt meta builds

[sturdy spindle]

this is one of the guns u can easily full auto wym

[spare socket]

you could.... if you want to gamble sure

[stable haven]

I can certainly try that, thanks!

[hazy mural]

EVERYONE should be burst firing like 20ms in between, it makes guns so much more accurate lol. The only time I spray and pray is at close range

[sturdy spindle]

with ribbed stubby theres no way u can miss

[upper gyro]

spam firing the m277 turns it into a laser

[spare socket]

[sturdy spindle]

[spare socket]

that doesn't do anything for spread my fellow

[upper gyro]

it's too damn funny, the difference is night and day

[hollow finch]

Honestly copying a build is a really bad idea even if you are chasing something competitive if you ask me

[sturdy spindle]

yea ur raising ur ttk to get better accurate shots

[spare socket]

I wish this game gave more guns 2 round burst modes.

Or at least heavily buffed the rate at which you can click the trigger in the single fire mode tbh

[heady gale]

One day people will realise recoil control means nothing when it’s spread that’s missing shots

[misty echo]

when’s bf7 coming out bf6 was a flop

[hazy mural]

TTK is relevant to how accurate your shots are

[upper gyro]

vs holding the trigger and getting a TTK of infinity because nothing is hitting the target

[spare socket]

I've been trying to get people on this train for a while now....

Flipping battlebit has more recoil than this game lol

[sturdy spindle]

dont use m277 then

[hazy mural]

90% of the playerbase don't understand Recoil=/=Spread lol

[humble trench]

theres just no handbook for players to know this. the info ingame is so incredibly obtuse...

[hollow finch]

One day people will realize that letting off the trigger for less than a tenth of a second will reset most of it

[slender epoch]

i’m over here 40-10 and dice gives me 2 squad mates with -10 kd make it make sense!!!!

[sturdy spindle]

if grips precision didnt help spread id be missing like crazy

meanwhile my kills are at faster movement than anyone else

[misty echo]

can a gamer gurl play with me

[heady gale]

You play cqb modes only, you’re not gonna notice spread all that much 😂

[hollow finch]

Good players get put on bad teams in an attempt towards balance

[sturdy spindle]

my most played mode is breakthrough by 20 hours wym

[slender epoch]

💀

[hazy mural]

mmmm, not arguing that but if burst firing allows your first 4 shots to hit, against someone whose spraying and missing 2-3 shots, let's assume the M277, the person who burst fired wins

[upper gyro]

I went 85-15 in breakthrough rushing down the objective and we still lost hahaha

[slender epoch]

makes me not want to play tbh i’m surprised my blueberries are coherent at all

[sturdy spindle]

i need to see why they missed and what their build is

[hazy mural]

Sure, but the fact remains, one landed their shots and the other didn't. lol

[slender epoch]

i’m not trying my best each game man but it’s like you either get steam rolled or be the one steam rolling

[sturdy spindle]

what mode u playing

[hollow finch]

I mean... Sometimes you gotta just take a breath and remind yourself a lot of them are just kids mashing buttons after school or adults trying to relax with a braindead shooter after work

[slender epoch]

cq

[sturdy spindle]

im an adult that works whats the difference

[slender epoch]

for challenges

[heady gale]

Spread is quite literally not something you can control in full auto, or else it’d be recoil not spread

[hazy mural]

stop being reasonable, imma report you.

[sturdy spindle]

no one said control the spread

[eternal sentinel]

bro i see you in this chat like 24/7 😭

[heady gale]

My bad

[spare socket]

Sure honey

[sturdy spindle]

i just got back from the gym wym

[left ravine]

why GOD WHY am I FORCED to play BR or Gauntlet to complete all my weekly challenges, what the fuck did they do ot Battlefield

[heady gale]

I’m going back to my book 😔

[spare socket]

[sturdy spindle]

wait if u see me, doesnt that mean ur also here

[hazy mural]

why can't you just reroll? and why do you care about the weekly challenges anyway? Unless of course, WEAPON XP TOKENS.

[eternal sentinel]

im more of a lurker 🙂

[hollow finch]

You put thought into what you're doing. Most likely subconsciously but still. Most people never really get better or at a very slow pace because they are simply just mashing buttons with their brain totally off. It's in the nature of mainstream shooters to attract casual players

[spare socket]

isn't the expression busting?

[eternal sentinel]

either/or

[spare socket]

ic

[hazy mural]

i'm sorry bby, you can continue being reasonable.

[left ravine]

I get more BR challenges than I have rerolls, and why am I being discouraged to complete weekly challenges. Battlefield is not and never will be a BR game

[spare socket]

ig i'm used to busting your chops so 🤷‍♂️

[stable haven]

dang I'm trying m60 tap fire and it's still such a wildly inaccurate gun

[sturdy spindle]

so whats the point of mentioning a dad that works if ur just either good or bad

[fiery jungle]

anyone getting the random glare bug on eastwood map? I cant ever seem to play this map without some part of it making me blind

[upper gyro]

ye

[hazy mural]

Ain't got the answers but IMO, people shouldn't take the challenges too seriously, unless it's giving you some badass skin that you want lol. Regular XP tokens are whack.

[sturdy spindle]

u get more than 4 br challenges?

[hazy mural]

M60 is big trash IMO. Worst LMG.

[sturdy spindle]

hey m60 was my first main

[hollow finch]

They probably don't care as much? You know what, don't get lost in the specifics you get the point

[sturdy spindle]

idk my whole cod friend group of 20 ish ppl work 9-5 and still are iridescent

[wary hinge]

what do yall think of the m87 shotgun?

[hazy mural]

Now, the M250, M123K, M240L and the DRS are naissuuuu

[stable haven]

I'm personally a fan of m123k

[hazy mural]

SHOTGUNS EW, if it's not the M87A1, it's worthless

[stable haven]

I'd like m60 to get some sort of buff

[tight prism]

You aren’t. Reroll them

[hollow finch]

Yeah okay?

[sturdy spindle]

hey go back to sg553 and play on ur favorite map

[wary hinge]

me who thinks shotguns are cool

[sturdy spindle]

saying ppl are bad at the game because theyre adults and work just doesnt make sense

[stable haven]

I could but idk. I kinda wanted variety but everything goes right back to sg553r since it's so good

[hazy mural]

I'm just a hater because I mostly die to Shotguns/RPGS/Tanks 😄 haha but the M87 is the best shotty

[vast vapor]

BR Flush squad looking for 4th, all 2+KD NA region

[wary hinge]

ngl I wanted to see what a semi auto shotguns was like, they seem better for aggressive play

[left ravine]

well I didnt get the game week 1 and now I have weeks of challenges to catch up with. bad design and I cant see how anyone is defending it. Why is BR being pushed in bf

[hazy mural]

i'm in the firing range, M60 just too slow overall, it's accurate though. I'd rather just use the M250

[hazy mural]

I don't play with shottys enough to know haha but with how fast TTK is in this game, i'd prefer to just 1 shot people

[hollow finch]

I didn't exactly mean that. I don't really care to explain what i mean specifically either because i'm tired and i'll head to bed rn 👍

[wary hinge]

ive played it for a bit and it will 1 shot at times but you have to be pretty freaking close

[hollow finch]

I'm an adult. I work too, i get it

[hazy mural]

@sturdy spindle i thought we were gonna play KOTH, what happened? But also, i need to cook lol

[wary hinge]

it will 2 tap at mid range though

[heady gale]

W**k 💔

[eternal sentinel]

battledads rise up

[hazy mural]

Have you used slugs? Them jAWWNNNNs are crazy

[eternal sentinel]

i worked at 7am to 12 and slept like 5 hours now i grind bf6

[hazy mural]

a man of culture i see

[eternal sentinel]

my job cut my hours after holidays

[stable haven]

I wish weapons weren't so grindy though

[wary hinge]

not sure what to think of slugs tbh

[heady gale]

Weapons being grindy is good tbh, means the progression lasts

[wary hinge]

I mean the whole point of a shotgun I feel like is for spread though they kinda ruin that in this game

[eternal sentinel]

yeah ik, i got 75 hours and i still only have one lvl 30 gun..

[hazy mural]

i unlocked slugs mid-game with my last shotgun game (i've only ever played 2 shotgun games lol), and my kills spiked up an additional 50 kills. It was like a 17min game

[misty echo]

we need a sponge bob skin

[eternal sentinel]

im just bored on my winter break and dk what else to do lol

[spare socket]

I think it would be better if they made levels 1-40 take a third of the time it currently takes and tripled the time it takes to do levels 41-50

Getting guns to 40 should be a baseline for people to get attachments.

Getting guns to 50 should be some form of achievement

[hollow finch]

I spend two weeks at the barracks, then go home to sleep and play videogames for a weekend and repeat. Military life as a conscript doesn't really leave time for games unfortunately

[hazy mural]

I'd agree with this, but people beg to differ lol

[spare socket]

that's just imo tho. You get the elite badge for it too at 50 so

[wary hinge]

though slugs might do better just because of the fact your usually aimed in with a pump action

and slugs tend to be much more consistent

[sturdy spindle]

i can play after my shower

[hazy mural]

I only work from March > November, so I have a crap ton of time to waste away

[hollow finch]

True

[eternal sentinel]

🤮 sh*wer

[sturdy spindle]

[wary hinge]

you think I should give slugs a try?

[hazy mural]

You should give it a try, if you are consistent with hitting people, slugs will delete people lol

[spare socket]

I just think the devs could very easily redirect the grind to the levels grinders care about vs the average player yk.

Making 41-50 specifically wayyyyy harsher than 1-40 would kinda do that

[sturdy spindle]

though my bedtime is soon

[hollow finch]

Anyway, night

[wary hinge]

so far my only issue is jsut that buckshot is inconsistent lol

[eternal sentinel]

i just want lightened suppressor before lvl 30

[hazy mural]

they just need to make 2x WEAPON XP more accessible tbh, that solves everything.

[sturdy spindle]

buckshot is all u need #screenshots-and-clips message

[spare socket]

Not really prior battlefields only needed like 300 kills to get all attachments excluding those from battlepacks and other stuff

[hazy mural]

yea, a few people in here were saying that it's inconsistent. I didn't experience much of it but i hardly touch shottys so i can't comment haha

[hazy mural]

I'm going to say that you're not the average player lol

[spare socket]

Comparing this weapon grind to prior titles it's way harsher.

They could very easily make levels 1-40 take a third of the xp currently required and triple levels 41-50 but that's just how I view it

[sturdy spindle]

arent slugs literally harder to aim with

[spare socket]

[hazy mural]

I mean, true, but if they want the grind to be meaningful, which it seems like, 2x weapon xp tokens make sense

[spare socket]

They gave me 13 hours of 2x weapon xp which is honestly the only way I have so many guns at 50 lol

[hazy mural]

I don't think so, it feels about the same. Difference is, I can drop people from so far lol

[sturdy spindle]

harder to hipfire

the only time i hipfire is with a shotgun

[spare socket]

I bought the ea play version of the game to get 13 weapon xp boosters and 13 profile boosters and a free battlepass.

Then I refunded it shortly after

[hazy mural]

Hmmm, i did fine with hipfiring with slugs but i've only ever played two matches of shotguns, so my opinion doesn't hold much weight lmao

[stable haven]

yeah honestly weapon exp in this game is way too slow

[hazy mural]

[sturdy spindle]

bruh

[spare socket]

they gave these to players who bought the ea play version of the game close to launch cuz day 1 the ea play version of the game couldn't be booted up

[sharp jacinth]

it's perfect

[dusky finch]

Anyone up for some strikepoint?

[stable haven]

if weapon exp required the 300 kills like bubu said, that would be fine. I think it's 1000 in bf6? far too unreasonable

[hazy mural]

I normally only care about the 2x Weapon XP tokens for when new guns come out. Otherwise, I can see the issue behind the grind but at the same time, at least for me, idrc hahaha

[spare socket]

I would make levels 1-40 take 300 kills. And levels 41-50 take 900 kills

[sturdy spindle]

300 kills to max out ur weapon would take like 1 hour only thats too short, the games lifespan would die

[hazy mural]

i despise shotguns, i only used it because my buddy convinced me to try it haha. Shotguns are so easy D:

[spare socket]

just make up to level 40 300 kills.

Make 41-50 between 900-1500 kills (idrc what the devs decide on tbh)

[stable haven]

I think it's fine since previous bf titles were around that amount

[spare socket]

grinders get their fun (like me)

and casuals get their attachments.

[sturdy spindle]

now 1500 is crazy i only needed 1k per gun

[humble trench]

you assume people quit gaming instantly as soon as theyve hit lv50 on all weapons. if a developer assumes this then it means they have no trust in the gameplay of their game. but the reality is its mtx obviously, selling xp boosters. mtx pretty much always make games worse if they come from big publishers.

[sturdy spindle]

and those games dieded on the spot

[spare socket]

the metrics I stated are assuming 0 objective play btw.

it takes around 1800 kills rn to get all attachments with no defensive or offensive objective kills, assists, equipment destroys, etc

[upper gyro]

BF4 lasted over a decade

[sturdy spindle]

theres too many checkmark gamers in this chat alone that just love to grind the challenges then get bored, its a very common thing in games now

[hazy mural]

I dunno, just throwing out ideas that they may be thinking lol. Like I said, if they made 2x weapon xp tokens more accessible, this wouldn't be an issue.

[sturdy spindle]

only cause its games after were absolute bad

[spare socket]

ok cool.

make levels 1-40 super easy and levels 41-50 extremely grindy. People who wanna grind for elite badges can

[humble trench]

blame the publishers for normalizing this lol. its still not a requirement. if anything itl get worse with worsened gameplay over time due to pushing mtx and that in turn makes them turn up the grind to never fully unlock everything in order to keep people playing. but it all comes from the same place.

[hazy mural]

Because the challenges/dailies/weeklies, barely any of them give you Weapon XP right?

[stable haven]

I'm so sorry for having a full time job then

[sturdy spindle]

its okay

[upper gyro]

every battlefield is absolute cheeks on release

[spare socket]

this is true (since bad company 2)

[upper gyro]

BF1 was fairly successful as well

[sturdy spindle]

everyone loved bf6

[wary hinge]

can I ask what clicking T does?

no idea what it does atm

[eternal sentinel]

im honestly one of those. being a completionist is tiring because it feels like you have to do everything before you can play the game and have fun with it

[stable haven]

this game is beyond redemption at this point

[upper gyro]

doesn't mean this game isn't laced to the brim with glaring issues and incomplete content

[vast vapor]

Who wants to be our 4th? All 2kd+, playing BR QUADS

[eternal sentinel]

its the default flashlight/lazer toggle

[vast vapor]

NA region

[hazy mural]

this is why i never worry about unlocking everything, attachments/skins. Can't have fun if you're doing challenges or whatever lol.

[stable haven]

anything they're doing to improve the game they're doing way too late

[sturdy spindle]

i never cared for being completionist in pvp games, i just have to get the meta loadouts and be better than everyone else

[wary hinge]

ahh alr

[sharp jacinth]

idk what's happened lately but the matchmaking this past week has been absolutely awful 🥲

[sturdy spindle]

at least the game still has ppl, unlike dragon ball sparking zero where the game did not save itself in time

[hazy mural]

spidermanPointingAtEachOther.gif

[eternal sentinel]

thats why i like the m277 because lightened is unlocked by default lol

[hazy mural]

I feel like the lightened for me does nothing, i stick to the standard lmao. Or i run the CQB for Hipfire builds lol

[spare socket]

I doubt I'm gonna quit once I get all my guns to 50 tbh. I have all ars, lmgs, dmrs, snipers, 6 of 8 carbines, 5 of 6 pistols (my 5.7 is currently level 47), and 5 of 8 smgs done

Haven't even started the shotguns and still gotta push vehicles a bit more

[stable haven]

prob not for long at this rate

[sharp jacinth]

only the cry babies will leave

[sturdy spindle]

we're 3 months in thats really good

[stable haven]

time flew by that fast? wow lol

[spare socket]

I think the most painful part will be learning how to pilot jets and helis for me lmao

[hazy mural]

If 2042 survived, BF6 will lol. Some of ya'll trippin haha

[eternal sentinel]

5.7 lowkey has the best lvl 40 skin ever

[spare socket]

I usually ignored those in prior games but I kinda wanna spend the time figuring em out in this one

[spare socket]

nah bro aurora for the umg-40 is fire.

[sturdy spindle]

no its p90 level 40 skin

[spare socket]

literally the only redeeming quality of this weapon imo

hated leveling the umg-40. My most miserable level 50 experiences were the umg-40, lmr, m39 emr, glock 22, es 5.7, and ak-205.

[sturdy spindle]

i think for fun ill level the p90 for the all black skin

[hazy mural]

im' awed at everyone leveling guns to 50 lol

[heady gale]

It’s surprisingly fun

[spare socket]

I have an unhealthy amount of hours on this game+a ton of xp boosters (and I'm usually top on the boards every game)

[heady gale]

I’m saving all my XP boosters for all the guns I do not want to do 😭

[sturdy spindle]

i only did it for SL9, sor556, sg553r, L85A3

[crimson dew]

today's dailies were litterally about using the support class

[stable haven]

good. People need to use support a bit more

[spare socket]

some buddy of mine told me there's a rumor floating around about the spawn beacon going to recon and ngl

if that's true recon is about to be a lil op in season 2 lmao.

I have 0 idea where he heard this from or if it's even true tbh. I need to fact check this somehow but uhhhh leaks are kinda hard to fact check

[upper gyro]

I don't care as long as they don't get ladders

as long as they're ratting somewhere I can actually kill them, all is well

[spare socket]

you are gonna hate snipers that get in a transport heli and run beacon tbh

[hazy mural]

i definitely dont' doubt it, i guess i just don't care for it lol. I do have 6 guns at 50+ but also, it's by accident, i dont' pay much attention to it lmao

[spare socket]

even excluding snipers recon+spawn beacon is hella op for the spec ops playstyle

[sturdy spindle]

yall say assault is the worst class but wanna nerf tf out of it

[upper gyro]

people already do that on assault

[spare socket]

you get to become a permanent knat inside th enemy nest with silent crouch sprint and radar

[spare socket]

without the literal class tree and weapon specialization that makes sniping better

[hazy mural]

IMO, Assault is pretty strong but no one plays aggressive enough to take advantage of Assault. Whenever I play assault, it's so simple lol.

[spare socket]

the full rumor they told me is that stim is getting buffed but to compensate since the pick rates are similar across the 3 other classes spawn beacon is getting moved

For reference, this is the public class pick rates dice let us know about (across all game modes)
Engineer: 28%
Support: 27%
Assault: 26%
Recon: 19%

true

[hazy mural]

i was gonna say, i don't think ANYONE plays Recon from what i've seen lol. I thought the spawn beacon being removed from Recon was kind of wild.

[spare socket]

I'm gonna be real spec ops getting spawn beacon is a bit unfair imo

[upper gyro]

I'm not even sure which players are what class anymore because they all use the same skins

[spare socket]

I say this as a spec ops gamer

[hazy mural]

Otherwise, the Injector can use a faster animation and faster health regen but mostly. LET THEM PICK UP AMMO FROM DEAD ENEMIES lol

[upper gyro]

It's only after I kill them that i get a good look at their backpack or kit

[spare socket]

I don't need that shizz but giving it to me makes me wayyyyyyyy stronger lmao.

[tight prism]

If they give the spawn beacon to recon I’m deleting this fucking game. Permanent rooftop snipers

[upper gyro]

k bye then

[spare socket]

If they get a transport chopper to get em up there yeah

[hazy mural]

maybe, it just means i get to camp their spawn sniping at them back LOL. 10/10 times for assault, i just stop and wait for them to spawn in front of me until they stop or i kill their assault

[tight prism]

👆

[spare socket]

imma be real I think dice should just perma class lock snipers to recon

[upper gyro]

infinitely respawning, fatal headshotting sniper on Mirak rooftop

[spare socket]

and give mini proximity sensors 2 charges off spawn and buff throwing knife to not have spread and be picked up

also buff c-4's radius a bit

[hazy mural]

bruh, i snipe with Support, i put up Deployables 2x, health bag behind it. Crouch spam and headshot everything. At least Recon's can't create their own walls LOL

[wary hinge]

idk why, the assault rifles are pretty good and if you dont like the shotguns you can simply switch them

[spare socket]

frankly they should also buff a lotta gadgets in the game to have a similar refresh rate to engineer's stuff when near a supply bag

idk why c-4 doesn't have this at all

[tight prism]

Ya well weapons should be locked

[spare socket]

I only really think the sniper should be locked

[tight prism]

Smgs too

[spare socket]

the other weapon classes aren't nearly as extreme in defintion compared to prior entries (given it also led to a much better viability of all 3 other weapon classes that were formerly locked)

[hazy mural]

I don't disagree, i thought it was a bad idea to unlock them, i advocated for it to stay locked lol.

I will say, the autospotting and auto-zeroing is a bit too OP though.

[spare socket]

it would make more sense if the weaepons were like in prior titles where the ars were just op, the smgs were designed for mobility and swap speed, and the lmgs were built around a suppression mechanic in mind

[tight prism]

I don’t use rangefinder it’s not even needed with these map sizes

[spare socket]

the weapon and overall sandbox balance is much much more tame in this one

[upper gyro]

autozero is just a crutch for people who can't eyeball ranges.
Sweetspot and 0 aimpunch is a bigger problem

Nothing better than getting oneshotted despite putting 4 bullets in a sniper's chest

[hazy mural]

i use it lmao, it makes a difference having to not worry about bullet drop. I'm usually always the top sniper in my games when i snipe, on sniping maps.

it's a huge crutch but that's exactly the problem

[tight prism]

There is no bullet drop until you hit several hundred meters

[hazy mural]

i'd argue there is. my only reference is, Liberation on Escalation. Since i don't really snipe anywhere else. But i also play with the scout, so no sweet spot

[spare socket]

there is but it's very minimal compared to prior titles

[gloomy oracle]

sniping is too easy in this game, by far needs a nerf. Recon auto spotting perk also needs to be removed. Sweet spot needs to be gone tbh. Its easy enough to HS in this game with 0 drop and bullet velocity.

[tight prism]

I haven’t tried to hit super long range. But I can head click 300 meters with out having to compensate

Sweet spot is fine. One shot to body sniper is realistic

[tardy spire]

If an event or battlepass ends in one day according to Battlefield does it mean I have more than 24 hrs to finish it, right?

[upper gyro]

realism doesn't make for good gameplay

[spare socket]

like 1000m/s if you have 200 meters that takes you a fifth of a second to hit someone.

In prior titles they'd max at like 670m/s which is 0.3 of a second.

You also have to consider bullet drag where the velocity of your bullet reduces in speed over distance this was much higher in bf4 and much lower in bf6 which also further reduces the time it takes for a bullet to reach its destination.

the longer time it takes for a bullet to reach its destination the more time gravity has to take an effect on the bullet travel

ie more drop

[tight prism]

There is no world where a sniper shouldn’t one shot to the body inside 6o meters.

[hazy mural]

TrackerGG? I don't snipe much but i'd like to compare our sniping stats.

That said, Sniping in BF6 is easier than ever than in other BF and it doesn't need the auto zero and auto spotting, too OP

[tight prism]

Nope

[stray eagle]

i wish they would tell you how much damage you did in a match of BR instead of just your kills

because I did minumum 2k damage that match but only got 2 kills

cracked a staggering number of people but couldn't finish any of them

[hazy mural]

ooo, i thought it did tell you?

[sturdy spindle]

💀

[hazy mural]

All good, was just curious

And i lied, apparently I snipe pretty often, I have 19hours with the Scout LMAO

[upper gyro]

Because it happens to be a good balancing tool at the same time.
If I were to use, let's say headshot multipliers as a reference, a headshot from any rifle/machinegun should drop a guy in one shot, but for the purposes of casual gameplay it would be very polarizing.

[tribal zodiac]

You dont understand how meaningless this is given how bad the average sniper is on this game

And the rangefinder is absolutely worthless

[hazy mural]

Hmmm probably but I'd prefer to die to someone who is actually decent at sniping than someone who can just autozero when they shoot at like 500m lol

[sturdy spindle]

uh oh u got him going

[heady gale]

Was gonna reply to that but auto mod said no

[sturdy spindle]

is this ai

[tribal zodiac]

Because the range finder just make everyone that uses it worse at sniping and is in complete denial of the truth, its actually insane

[sturdy spindle]

does the range finger use ai to measure ur distance or how does it work

[tight prism]

👀

[hazy mural]

we're practically arguing the same point now lol. Thus, have it removed. EZ PZ

[fast reef]

got mine in an hour for some reason

[crystal hound]

been done with challenges since day 2 smh

[fast reef]

i did it day 1 got nothing, was on holiday for 4 days, logged on today and it was complete

did you restart the game since?

[crystal hound]

just logged in

[fast reef]

try restart the game again

[quartz karma]

😭

[sturdy spindle]

do u think the sniper that first blooded u in close quarters was using range finger or raw

[crystal hound]

no luck

[fast reef]

id bet raw, i dont use ranger finder now either, its not hard to judge

[fast reef]

oof, how far you off?

[crystal hound]

still showing 3rd tier as complete, all challenges including the 85 token complete

[fast reef]

in that case they should fix it, but since time is running low i hope you get lucky

[crystal hound]

exactly

[high mural]

Bruh what’s the point of the LMR27 lol - it does like AR damage for a semi auto marksman rifle??

[wary hinge]

ehh the m87 might not be consistent but it has its times

[spare socket]

to be a meme

[upper gyro]

meme gun to flex on the lobby

[spare socket]

and for someone to randomly come out of nowhere and gaslight me into thinking its good by glazing it.

They can't gas light me I got it to 50 and know it's terrible.

[hollow jasper]

So who all thinks we're gonna get some small little tid bit information if any kind tomorrow? Like from dice lol

[hazy mural]

LMR27 is godtier bby

[stray eagle]

I have not died to a single person below level 250 yet today

(I'm not saying I haven't died a LOT though, just everyone high af level)

[hazy mural]

Level=/=Skill Level, though.

[stray eagle]

idk my teammates are always <40 and they're usually pretty braindead

[spare socket]

huh

how are you finding that many people even remotely that level? lol

[stray eagle]

I'm trying to complete the BR missions so it's not multiplayer, but I've died 8 or 9 times so far and every single one was lvl 250-400

[hazy mural]

i was in a game earlier with a level 27 who went 91 and 23, in Escalation.

Ahhh, you're playing BR. Guess it makes sense

[spare socket]

I kinda wanna play more escalation with razr sometime lol. My buddies and I grouped up with him for like 3 games

[stray eagle]

trying to complete these missions with a random squad that'll all die immediately on landing is kinda painful

[spare socket]

we absolutely carried every lobby we were in lol. For our last game we totaled a bit over 100k score (and somehow still lost)

[stray eagle]

I dislike solo squads, solo duos I can manage but nobody plays BR duos, can't find a match

[drowsy condor]

[hazy mural]

SoloQ for Escalation is the best struggle

[spare socket]

#screenshots-and-clips message Highly recommend getting a squad

literally moving as a unit from point to point you just clear house and take point.

exceptions apply when your entire team sucks some how

I barely outscored razr lol. We were all around 25k ish score

[sonic nexus]

WTB devs who know how to code proper damage lmao

[hazy mural]

Normally, I have a buddy i play with but he's on vacay.

[spare socket]

that's fair

I just made friends on lfg posts, had some old halo buddies, and some fellas ik irl

[hazy mural]

For example: #screenshots-and-clips message

[spare socket]

oh nah we were murdering tanks lol

[hazy mural]

My typical struggle in that screenshot, literally every game lmao. Although i do have a 60% win rate i guess.

[spare socket]

I swapped to engineer on occasion and was running spec ops recon for the squad with c-4.

Murk was running assault so we could back cap with spawn beacon.

Ulti and Razr were running support. Ulti would switch to engi if we needed anti tank and razr ran recon sometimes.

also you can honestly like kill a local engineer and pick up their class kit

[cedar raven]

Anyone’s pro pass get fixed yet for those who had already had the challenges done?

[spare socket]

I do it a bunch. Kill a repair man in the rear. Pick up their kit and mine/rpg the hell out of the tank lol

kit swapping is underrated and should be utilized more often imo

[tribal zodiac]

Ill do anything but play engineer, dont even ask

[spare socket]

understandable

[hazy mural]

Ill swap kits if its a support kit and im not playing support... for ammo 😂

[sturdy spindle]

why

[spare socket]

recon with c-4 is enough

also again you can very easily just pick up an enemy class kit when the situation allows for it so

[sudden prism]

so hows bf6 did it die?

[spare socket]

Is there a way to check your score record?

[spare socket]

lawbreakers is a dead game.

[sudden prism]

true

[spare socket]

dang. I wanna know mine. I know for a fact I have had games over 30k a few times

I just dunno how high that was I never really click pics unfortunately. I always forget lol

[sick willow]

Did they fix the issue where token not recognize for those who already completed it for the BP Bonus Path?

[hazy mural]

Would be inter3sting if they tracked top score

[spare socket]

I'm so close to 5k objectives capped man

4997 rn

[hazy mural]

Bro, thats one game. Gogogo

[spare socket]

nah doing job apps rn

welll hmmm

hmmmmmmm I do kinda wanna play ngl

but I need these apps done today so I can submit em tomorrow morning

off to that then

[stoic moat]

The HK416 is a beast in BF6... Holy shit

[drowsy condor]

[gritty idol]

Does anyone else experience good FPS but whenever you get into a fight or just looking around the game hitches and freezes? I see this on the big map conquests so far.

[hazy mural]

DRS? Its a well rounded gun. Probably the gun that does everything well but doesnt excel any anything either.

[wary hinge]

yeah im not sure if its a bug or not but some of these shotgun shots are going in completely different directions

most inconsistent shotgun ive seen in any game ngl

[brittle pawn]

anyone hear of a minimap issue? i never had a minimap by default. i didnt even realize there was supposed to be one. i went into HUD section, reset, still no minimap in game

[hazy mural]

Are you playing hardcore?

[misty echo]

hardcore raw no protection

[wary hinge]

mmmm yes imma go with a m87 and a grenade launcehr and prey I dont die

[river urchin]

416 ? you mean the 417 or the M27

[zealous raven]

What’s the setting that makes me stand up every time I try to crawl forward after going prone?

[drowsy condor]

🫡

[stoic moat]

DRS-IAR

[main vessel]

Anyone getting issues in helos, where it tells you that you’re out of bounds… when you’re clearly not???

[stray eagle]

it's a NASTY ass gun after you spend 3-5 business days scoping in

nice ttk, extremely stable, long range, 350ms ads

obv you can reduce that but you sacrifice everything that makes it good in the first place

[tender narwhal]

I've been shredded by it a lot recently

[stray eagle]

yeah you don't feel the ads as much when you're on the other side of it to be fair

[tribal zodiac]

[tender narwhal]

yeah I'm not claiming I've been getting quickscoped

[sturdy spindle]

its literally 200ms with support class

[tender narwhal]

how much does support accelerate ads?

[sturdy spindle]

i think the equivalent of one attachment, but drs is 250 naturally after attachments

[stray eagle]

support accelerates ads?

[sturdy spindle]

for LMGs yea

[stray eagle]

huh I didn't know that, they don't show that in loadouts

I thought it was just movement speed that support improved

still, you really want a heavy barrel on the drs

[sturdy spindle]

nah u dont

[stray eagle]

the range improvement with that thing is immense though

[sturdy spindle]

it doesnt improve ur range, just barely helps ur spread

it is accurate enough on its own to still beam u from long range full auto, and its deadly up close

[stray eagle]

"barely" bro the different is INSANE

[sturdy spindle]

no one using heavy after the bloom update

[tender narwhal]

should I not?

[sturdy spindle]

unnoticeable spread bonus over a 50ms ads boost is not worth

[tender narwhal]

or are you speaking just to the DRS?

[sturdy spindle]

in general its not worth anymore, but for DRS, having light barrel to move like an SMG is very worth

[tender narwhal]

do heavy barrels not reduce recoil?

[sturdy spindle]

no

[wary hinge]

yeah tbh imma just not use shotguns

[tight prism]

Does anyone use zeroing with snipers?

[wary hinge]

they are way too inconsistent to really ever be enjoyable

[tight prism]

I never bothered using it, but idk if I'm missing out

[tender narwhal]

;_; my life is a lie

not even worth it on fat guns like m240L?

[sturdy spindle]

ur better off making those guns as light as possible, but LMGs have limited selection

[abstract nexus]

I love shotguns especially the DB12

[wary hinge]

idk for me the spread feels terribly inconsistent

It either 1 taps on the leg or it does barely any dmg

[tender narwhal]

for run'n'gunning?

[sturdy spindle]

for not being a walrus to begin with

[tender narwhal]

KTS-100 only has heavy extended :( is the short better?

[sturdy spindle]

yea kts doesnt need additional recoil/precision stats

[tender narwhal]

light even on M240L?

too many points, shit muzzle velocity :/

[wary hinge]

if the consistency was good I would love em but it feels like im taking a gamble for every time I shoot a shot

[tender narwhal]

are people actually running around without suppressors? 😳

[sturdy spindle]

gun mostly succeeds up close anyway

[tender narwhal]

I feel like we must just have completely diametrically opposed philosophies

[wary hinge]

though shotguns being very inconsistent might just be the fact that the hitreg in the game is cooked

[tender narwhal]

you'll pry the suppressors from my cold clumsy hands

[sturdy spindle]

oh im just using basic barrel not light

[tribal zodiac]

@sturdy spindle get in

[sturdy spindle]

im about to sleep

[tribal zodiac]

Valid

[spare socket]

[tender narwhal]

is that a W20 MR2 👀

[spare socket]

I must do job and research apps

But I want to play

[tribal zodiac]

Yes

[prisma adder]

Why aren't the maps in br aren't in conquest rotation?

[abstract nexus]

Muzzle extension buffs when

[sage wigeon]

would love them even more if they gave the single shell loaders a speed loader like delta force

[abstract nexus]

Idk if they need that tbh

None are bad aside from db12

[wary hinge]

got any strategies for shotguns?

[sage wigeon]

havent used the DB12 much been in love with the M1014

[wary hinge]

havent had much luck with shotguns so far

[wraith canopy]

Fact lol

[prisma adder]

Don't aim, hip fire

[wary hinge]

doesnt that just ruin shotgun spread

[stray eagle]

absolutely atrocious take

[sage wigeon]

yea i rarely aim on the shotgun. i just run around with the laser and hip fire but im also running the 1014 not the 870 so that helps alot

[prisma adder]

Maybe if you're trying to snipe with slugs lol

[sage wigeon]

i mean as long as u arent running slugs you should be fine

[wary hinge]

semi autos are meant for more aggressive play so, pump shotguns are more defensive imo

[stray eagle]

anything beyond 5m you REALLY REALLY wanna ads

[wary hinge]

I mean the pellets already seem inconsistent enough im not sure why you would wanna make it even more inconsistent

[cobalt flume]

Wtf would you make maps with the flying zone being so small that enemy helicopters are basically waiting for you to respond in a jet or heli to blow you off before takeoff? Cmon dice you can't be this stupid!!!! Make it like 2042 that you respond already in the air with an air vehicle you nimrods. Who the hell is coming up with these ideas?!!! 😒

Respawn*

[sage wigeon]

some people really like the whole I TAKE OFF FROM STRIP thing

[stray eagle]

the takedown animation being 10 years long has gotten me killed an unbelievable amount of times

[cobalt flume]

But you can't even take off lol

[stray eagle]

I click takedown "oh his whole squad bouta crash me" then I die lmao

[prisma adder]

😆 🤣 😂

[sage wigeon]

just shoot them

[cobalt flume]

Kept getting obliterated in Manhattan bridge by the enemy heli

[tender narwhal]

👆

[prisma adder]

I thought they were fixing all that

[sage wigeon]

gip AA mine that will take care of the helis

[cobalt flume]

Dude......they need to just fix this bs. Its a terrible design

[prisma adder]

They need the br maps in conquest

Or like it use to be 😆 like portal is

Like on DC

[cobalt flume]

Or have vehicle's with a respawn shield for a couple of seconds to let them takeoff

[prisma adder]

Orr move the AA range so they can't sit above our sht XD

[cobalt flume]

They are more focused on releasing dookie skins than fixing the damn problems with the game

[prisma adder]

Orr make it to where you can't free look behind you to lock on to jets?

They're getting distracted with micro purchases instead of what needs to be fixed

[cobalt flume]

Frfr

[prisma adder]

Trying not to be CoD but slowly micro purchasing their way to it lol 😆 😂 🖕

[cobalt flume]

I've taken Manhattan bridge off my map rotation, it's ridiculous.

[prisma adder]

Now one of their main dudes passed Away, so now it'll either be game focused or broken with money grab

[cobalt flume]

This game is cod 2.0 is just everyone is in denial.

[prisma adder]

Not a fan of Manhattan.. it's not conquest worthy, it's more cqb bs

[cobalt flume]

Apparently they took away bunny hopping and canceling but I still see cod ponies pulling this bs in the game 😂

[prisma adder]

Lol 😆 😂

Yes, I always get sniped from poniboys

[sharp jacinth]

are there bots in redsec? or are my teammates just that bad?

[rich torrent]

This is just false.

[prisma adder]

I think they're bots? My team is always trash so I don't play it

[cobalt flume]

Not for nothing but 2042 was way more chaotic than this game.

[cobalt flume]

In denial

[tribal zodiac]

#screenshots-and-clips message @spare socket we level 400 now

[rich torrent]

People want to blame the game quality on Battle Passes and Skins - Did y'all forget Battlefield 4 for over 12 months?

[prisma adder]

Everyone from cod cried it was too hard so they nerfed the missions...

[sharp jacinth]

i'm unfortunately starting to get to that point 🥲

[spare socket]

dang

[stray eagle]

anyone who runs in the open using slides and bunny hops is a cod player, anyone who camps in a corner is a cod player, anyone who killed me from the hill is a cod player, anyone camping the vehicles is a cod player, anyone using shotguns close range is a cod player, anyone using smgs beyond 30cm is a cod player (these are all actual complaints I've seen)

[sharp jacinth]

bunch of damn babies that want everything instantly yet will complain about no new content

[cobalt flume]

Bf4 ended being a legendary game till this day. Bf6 doesn't have nothing on bf4

[rich torrent]

Because one is like 13 years old and the other is 3 months.

[spare socket]

bf4 also needed an entire year to go from one of the worst bfs of all time to a good one

[stray eagle]

playing battlefield makes you a cod player 😏

[jaunty kelp]

I swear my battle pass bonus path is not tracking played like 4-5 games and no change

[prisma adder]

Only content I care for is fixing the game and new maps ♥︎

[cobalt flume]

U tripping, bf4 at its released state was better than this cod clone

[prisma adder]

I miss making my own team logo tho

[full peak]

https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/1403028247519826073

[rich torrent]

Battlefield 4 was almost unplayable for a year my guy.

[spare socket]

the bugs, crashes, launch maps only having like 4 good maps, balance issues galore, some of the worst hit reg ever in any shooter I've seen, etc.

Shanghai tower falling literally crashed everyone in the server

[prisma adder]

Do you have candy??

[spare socket]

I'm not tripping I was actually there lol ☠️. Been playing bf since like 2142.

[full peak]

Most definitely

[prisma adder]

😆 🤣 been playing bf since released you make me feel old

[cobalt flume]

I get it, but the gameplay? Still was better than this coked out fast paced cod wanna be dookie clone

[spare socket]

this game has slower move speed than bf4 btw. Bf4 also had aerial strafing

[rich torrent]

Battlefield 4 had faster movement btw.

[stray eagle]

it's crazy how quickly bf6 went from a "return to form" to a "fast paced coked out cod clone" lmfao

[dense bluff]

best smg?

[cobalt flume]

It is my guy lol

[prisma adder]

For sniping? 😆 🤣

[spare socket]

#screenshots-and-clips message this tier list is organized in a manner that is designed to help you find the right gun for you

Tldr since the information is there

All rounder: SGX
High lethality: SCW-10 (vector works too it features a decent 2 round burst mode. Both require extended mags tho)
Ease of use: mp5

[misty yew]

The never ending complaining and stark cross accusations of this game never cease to amaze me

[dense bluff]

thanks mate

[spare socket]

there's also weapon data attached in the message link so you can sift through it and figure out what works for ya

[stray eagle]

as someone who's never played a single cod or battlefield before this one, I'm having a good time, and that's pretty much all I care about

[cobalt flume]

People just don't wanna admit it because this is the best bf will ever get for now on since bf1

[rich torrent]

Completely ignores the fact that movement was faster in BF4, gotta love it.

[spare socket]

I could show video evidence of bf1 being a broken mess for 9 months and he'll likely not click the link

[prisma adder]

No way, since 1942

[rich torrent]

Oh 100% lmao.

[misty yew]

And that's been my attitude from the beginning. For someone with over 1000 hours in BF 2042 (hated by almost everyone here) I enjoy every game of this franchise

[cobalt flume]

Bf1? U buggin. I was on bf1 since the beta and that game was perfection peak bf

[spare socket]

Here's the hit registration: https://youtu.be/5NyfGlgsEuM?si=XH-rfxOm6G6NKu-z

Here's the bugs and glitches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw9KcqQSRRI

https://youtu.be/W1YDaSw8gDM?si=Cxv9oAaCR_oVJOsQ if you wanna laugh at spawns here you go

https://youtu.be/7TPydcY1TJk?si=JckK0ffS1qUWHYP2 even jack frags complained about it

enjoy bf1 in its original launch form purity. The second video is one of the greatest videos of all time.

I posted this before I'm just sending it again

[worldly trail]

sprint speed mightve been a hair faster in BF4. Everything else is faster in BF6. Prone, climbing, strafing, landing from fall, reloading...

[spare socket]

if you don't wanna click on it be my guest

[cobalt flume]

Just say you didn't like it because it wasn't modern

[prisma adder]

I take that back..

Best since DC

[spare socket]

bf1 is in my top 5 bfs of all time.
2142, bf1, bad company 2, bf4, and bf3 (in no order)

if you wanna proceed to not click on the literal video evidence I've provided be my guest ig

[cobalt flume]

Nice list, I can agree somewhat

[spare socket]

That shizz was a broken mess for a solid year. After that year it was one of the best bfs ever tho

given that's basically every single bf since frostbite engine

[cobalt flume]

It wasn't that broken if I didn't even notice the problems. Bf6? Everyone is noticing the problems

[spare socket]

even among the refractor engine games 2142 was nonfunctional for like 6 months

[spare socket]

it's called the wonderful beauty of nostalgia glasses. Bf1 had problems galore that even CCs were making videos about it and leaving the game temporarily till fixes arrived

If you wish to yk look back you can I linked video evidence

[cobalt flume]

It was that good that we didn't notice it. That's my point. 🫡

[worldly trail]

true but the core of those games was much stronger

[spare socket]

[worldly trail]

core gameplay, maps

[frozen comet]

Those spawns aren't as bad imo just not lucky

Show me a where someone spawns on a dead body and I'll agree they're as bad as bf6

[worldly trail]

yes, the skill ceiling was also higher. BF4 for instance, it's just harder. You can't just go nuts on the scoreboard like you can on BF6, esp with less experience.

[spare socket]

I forgot to mention the bug that stayed in the game for a year and a half where if you spawned in and died fast enough you would sit there unable to respawn or do anything for the rest of the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eQCY74S544

[frozen comet]

That's not what I asked for

[stray eagle]

i swear hitreg is 100x worse on redsec, I can spray a guy down with 60 bullets point blank range and get like 4 hitmarkers

[frozen comet]

Bf6 has like seven of those bugs or more

[rich torrent]

The average KD for BF6 is like a 1.0 - how is this even true?

[worldly trail]

every BF vet I played with says it's easier and has higher stats..

[stray eagle]

it's not, since kills count but if you get revived it's not a death, the avg is definitely above 1.0

[spare socket]

bf4 has the highest kill count game in battlefield history and that is not being topped anytime soon

[worldly trail]

notice i didn't say you could never have a great game in BF4. You missed my point

[rich torrent]

So like every other title?

Which had similar average KDs.

[spare socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQiX6ktZsM&t=968s&pp=ygUKYmY0IHJlY29yZA%3D%3D

the highest record in 6 so far is 215. (in vehicles some have achieved like 230 on manhattan bridge attack chopper)

The highest in 4 is flipping 452

[worldly trail]

people have less kills per game if I recall, in BF4, some of that is map design, but not all I don't think.

[stray eagle]

yeah idk what they're yapping about, there's no such thing as a multiplayer game that's "easier" for every player

[frozen comet]

Average kd is closer to 1.5

1.75 maybe

[worldly trail]

I bet most people would agree BF4 is harder, could be wrong lol

if yall disagree it's cool? just my opinion and I've heard others say it. not trashing BF6 just discussing it

[spare socket]

it has a higher skill ceiling which you can in fact abuse more yeah.

which leads to yk 452 kills in a game

but that was thanks to movement glitches not actual base mechanics

[worldly trail]

which game has faster TTK?

[spare socket]

the biggest thing that 4 had over 6 in ceiling was likely the headshot multiplier differential

[worldly trail]

guns feel more difficult to control IMO

[spare socket]

With headshots 4 by a landslide.

without 6.

4 opted for a universal 2x headshot multi which uhhhh

yeah some guns were a little silly and assault in bf3 and 4 were easily the most overtuned things known to man

[stray eagle]

idk how I feel about the headshot multi in bf6 tbh

[worldly trail]

I loved its damage model man, but I'm a sucker for BF4

[spare socket]

people act like "ah yeah assault always had the health economy"

no brother play battlefields before battlefield 3

[stray eagle]

I feel like it'd make some of the super stable guns (sl9, 205) way stronger if multi was 2x

[worldly trail]

headshot multiplier in BF6 makes it feel so arcadey sometimes, takes me out of it

anyway thanks for the discussion guys, always interesting, good luck on the battlefield, off to research

[stray eagle]

I honestly don't know what people mean when they say something feels arcadey. Like I've played a bunch of shooters from star wars battlefront to tarkov and aside from the recoil patterns idk what people mean when they say something feels arcadey

[spare socket]

bad company 2 understood you shouldn't give the health economy in a game with a 16 second hp regen delay and 5hp/s to a class with the best guns in the game lmao.

Assault in bad company 2 had the ammo economy. Support got the lmgs and health economy/defibs

[worldly trail]

all I mean is, it breaks immersion slightly, simply put

[spare socket]

giving the class with the literal best weapons the health economy led to the most absurd solo potential ever

no bf comes close to what you can do in lobbies with assault in bf4 frankly that shizz was beyond broken

[hazy mural]

2x multiplier in BF6 would make the game too easy and TTK would be too broken.

[spare socket]

You'd likely have to do tailored headshot adjustments which imo would lead to a more diverse sandbox

guns like the scw-10 can remain at 1.34 with access to hollows for 1.5

Guns like the kts can go to 1.75 with hollow giving them 2x (synthetic being removed from the game)

guns like the Kord can get a base of 1.5 no hollow or synthetic access

guns being designed more for headshots and more for body shots would give them more unique spaces in the sandbox as precision headshot vs body oriented weapons

[hazy mural]

They would 100% have to do so. Which they won't, too much work, too diverse.

[spare socket]

frankly this is probably the least amount of work. The other option is outright increasing the shots to kill for universal headshot changes

[stray eagle]

wait so low headshot multi makes the game arcadey and too easy... but high multi is also too easy?

[spare socket]

you literally go in the game files and change a number lol

[frozen comet]

Really hate the idea that your bullets can do more headshot damage than other bullets. Prolly the dumbest mechanic I've seen. And needing penetration shots to hit at least two people.

Rework that shit

[spare socket]

I'm cool with it as a balancing weight

the scw-10 does not need a 1.5 headshot or even higher headshot multi at base. It has to make sacrifices to afford that.

[frozen comet]

Give me a real balance not some fantasy shit like that

[hazy mural]

If HS multi was 2x, TTK would be even faster than it is now. People would complain.

[spare socket]

I would just do this

[stray eagle]

well yeah but wouldn't that be more like bf4? wouldn't that be "harder"? isn't that what all yall want?

[frozen comet]

Tldr

[spare socket]

tailored headshot adjustments. Very specific ones where you actually have hollows on some guns and not on others based on their ttk and range potential.

Some guns have a base of 1.34 with hollows for 1.5, 1.5 for example with no hollows. others have 1.5 with hollows to get 1.75. Some have 1.75 with no hollows. others have 1.75 with hollows to access 2

[hazy mural]

Id argue its more work, because they would have to hyperfocus on each gun to make sure its balanced for its damage, accuracy, firerate, etc.

[frozen comet]

Hallow points shouldn't give a headshot bonus

[spare socket]

I'm cool with it as a balancing weight scw-10 needs to make sacrifices for that profile

[hazy mural]

I couldnt care less, but would you? You forget that they already nerfed recoil and bloom/spread for guns and people still mad they ain't shoot straight? 😂

[frozen comet]

I'll take a non fantastical balance

[spare socket]

if you look at the tailored changes specifically you can see what's what.

[stray eagle]

eh, I feel like it's fine rn

[spare socket]

synthetic should just be removed from the game that shizz is stupid

[frozen comet]

Yea this is an arcade game, but that doesn't mean we can't use realistic standards.

[hazy mural]

Right, I think its fine as well. My point being, 2x multi would create a huge skill gap 😂

[spare socket]

Hollows I think is enough of a sacrifice some guns should make. Not all just some

Synthetic is the main ammo type that has me baffled

Ah yeah we designed this gun to almost need higher headshot multis but lock it behind a 35 cost attachment and it was 2x in the beta but now we nerfed it to 1.75 cuz some guns are broken with 2x headshot multi

[stray eagle]

I feel like it wouldn't change as much as people think, the main difference is that the svt would suddenly become the most broken weapon ever

things go from being a 3 shot headshot kill to a 2 shot headshot kill

the m44 would lose all uniqueness when compared to the trait

[spare socket]

at that point just make the gun have a base of 1.75 headshot multi and give it hollows for 2x.

scrap synthetic

[hazy mural]

Bro, wat? The entire meta would change, and people would complain a lot more.

[stray eagle]

no doubt people would complain, but I feel like general gameplay wouldn't be as different as you think

[spare socket]

Like the SOR 500 is wayy more deserving of a 2x headshot multi with hollows and 1.75x base

than the flipping scw-10

[cobalt flume]

Basically a lone wolf run and gun/ cod clone.

[stray eagle]

either way, the gunplay feels fine as it is (at least in multiplayer, 150 matches deep and I still don't understand the BR)

[hazy mural]

Bro, youd be the first one to complain 😂

[spare socket]

it would lead to a more diverse sandbox where some guns are designed for heads and others for bodies

[stray eagle]

I do be complaining no denying it

[frozen comet]

That's a silly word to auto mod

[spare socket]

rather than ah yeah lets have every gun in the game even the ones that kill uber fast have a 2x headshot multiplier fr

[stray eagle]

serial whinger me

[frozen comet]

I'm still waiting on them to add some op broken bull shit like the zh (bfv) or the rsc (bf1)

[spare socket]

don't worry the bot banned me for saying the equivalent of "harassment is bad" under the ban designation of it being harassment

[frozen comet]

Yea shit makes no sense

[spare socket]

I fortunately got unbanned lol

[frozen comet]

Let's make an m rated game where my character says fuck every two minutes but we can't say poo poo at all

[spare socket]

But yeah I do think if the game implemented universal 2x headshot multis it doesn't realllly change the sandbox in a meaningful way but just raises the skill ceiling.

It would be much cooler to have tailored headshot multipliers where the guns that kill super slow reward headshots

creating a skill gap where the guns that give high precision and low recoil but have poor body shot ttks can earn good time to kills with headshot placements

[cosmic stream]

LF3M

[hazy mural]

If they did 2x multi across the board, they'd have to implement more recoil/spread to all the guns.

[spare socket]

you still get a skill gap. for weapons that deserve it

you are rewarded with low recoil and supreme precision to execute on that skill gap

[hazy mural]

Thus, what the TR7 is right now 😂