battlefield-6

[carmine shale]

Better ttk

[spare socket]

it doesn't have better ttk and it has worse fall off, worse spread, worse ammo economy for its fire rate, worse recoil

the fact the scw-10 is easier to use than a gun with all those downsides is insane

[carmine shale]

Realistically a 240 trades 30ms of ttk at 10m for a significantly better platform at other ranges and more stable, more ammo etc etc

[spare socket]

and clearly indicative of a small mistake in game balance

[carmine shale]

Yes it does. Math is hard

[spare socket]

dog I'm looking at a flipping spreadsheet that has been cross checked by hundreds of people right now.

[carmine shale]

Kv9 has a better ttk than scw at any range

[chilly cave]

whats your guys opinion on the mini scout (if you ignore it ever gots nerfed)

somehow i love it

[humble trench]

i would totally do that if supports werent incredibly rare nowadays on escalation game mode haha

[spare socket]

it has better ttk if you bullet hose the whole thing and land all shots you are not doing that you are burst firing that shizz tapping most likely. The shots to kill is what matters

[carmine shale]

Except at 0m which is like 5ms slower

[spare socket]

0 to 9 meters

[carmine shale]

You are typing ttk every post lol

[spare socket]

the spreadsheet doesn't cover exacts you gotta go to the damage fall off charts.

[carmine shale]

Imagine having a spreadsheet that shows the ttk as a chart

[spare socket]

and again who the hell cares about ttk in ranges when you are burst firing guns at similar fire rates.

Shots to kill matters

[carmine shale]

You, apparently, as you kept going on about ttk

[spare socket]

what you prefer approximating the spreadsheet as 5 meters instead of knowint it's exactly 9.5 meters?

[spare socket]

ttk and shots to kill are kinda what I was going on about lol.

both matter. the latter is far far more important at ranges where you burst fire guns at similar rates of fire

you can't unironcally be full autoing the kv9 at 50 meters......

[carmine shale]

You literally say ttk and then say who cares about ttk

[spare socket]

I'm saying it matters it very much matters. within 20 meters

[carmine shale]

SeemsGood

Kv9 is better

[heady gale]

@spare socket I’ve just woken up, opened your profile and gotten fully flash banged

[spare socket]

In the end. I don't really need to have this discussion. Dice will just prove me right by nerfing the scw-10

[carmine shale]

You’re going to get demolished by a 277 or any other “longer” range gun at 50m burst firing anyways lol

[spare socket]

Uh huh.

[carmine shale]

👍

[vestal quarry]

WHAT IS BEST CLOSE-MID RANGE GUN @carmine shale

[spare socket]

you aren't really engaging at those distances with that gun that's not really the point of discussion

[spare socket]

do you define close to mid range as in within 20 meters?

[carmine shale]

FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU ARENT INSIDE PEOPLE FIND A GUN YOU LIKE BUT FOR CARBINES AN M4 IS GOOD

[vestal quarry]

i play siege of cairo breaktrough exclusively RECOMMEND ME THE BEST GUN

[carmine shale]

A GOOD ALL ROUNDER WOULD BE GOOD AS THAT MAP HAS VARYING RANGES

[vestal quarry]

I HAVE M4 ON 50+ ALREADY ITS BORING NEED SOMETHING NEW BRO

[carmine shale]

YOU ASKED WHATS BEST NOT WHATS NOT BORING

[vestal quarry]

GIVE ME THE BEST SMG

[spare socket]

#screenshots-and-clips message

here's a uniquely formatted tier list that is formatted based on playstyles.

[carmine shale]

M4 IS BEST SMG

[spare socket]

@vestal quarry this is basically all S tier guns in the game by category

[olive coral]

M4 is a carbine

[carmine shale]

Someone mpreg’s the list 😂

[carmine shale]

It’s just better tho

[vestal quarry]

ok thanks this is amazing

[spare socket]

If you want the overall best close quarters smg use the scw-10 with one of these builds:

lightened suppressor+25 round extended mag+sight is one of the best set ups for the SCW-10

The other being like lightened suppressor, 21 round mag, 20 cost blue laser, mag catch, and extended barrel

[vestal quarry]

scw is bad i dont like low mag guns

[spare socket]

the issue with the scw-10 is you need to deal with the annoying grind of acquiring these attachments.

[olive coral]

Sounds like a skill issue. I would know.

[spare socket]

because base scw-10 with the base mag is uhhhhhh aight. If it had no mag extensions it would be pretty balanced tbh

[vestal quarry]

i quit it at like 15 cba

[spare socket]

I would level it up. It's a fun challenge anyways but that's just me. You gotta deal with the grind to get the power

[vestal quarry]

i should get abit more into kord i think

[olive coral]

Anyone else also factor in aesthetics into which gun they like best

[spare socket]

kord is a valid ease of use weapon. the burst fire mode makes it espeically capable at ranges

[maiden fog]

hi guys

[vestal quarry]

do you have attachments for this gun

[spare socket]

Not particularly it has a variety of builds. The scw-10 is just a bit more specific due to the mag size limitations

[carmine shale]

The list is literally just skill issue central lol

[spare socket]

guns with extremely harsh limits usually have a set amount of builds to byapss those limitations.

Other weapons you can customize to your heart's content

the scw-10 is one of those weapons and hence why I recommend builds for it

[carmine shale]

You can just fill auto it with no issue

[spare socket]

Yeah but i'm talking like really long range gun fights beyond 50 meters

[olive coral]

I mean sometimes I prefer to use a gun that fights me a little but I think looks cool (NVO) versus a gun that looks kinda ugly but I do better with (TR7).

[carmine shale]

Once again, you can fill auto it with no issue

[spare socket]

you can gamble sure or you can not

[carmine shale]

It has 0 recoil 😂 wdym gamble

[spare socket]

it's called spread skill can't replace gambling burst fire has tighter spread

all firing mechanisms in the game give a recoil and spread buff by a significant margin. If you don't like gambling compromise 100 fire rate to have near perfect spread

unless ofc you like gambling

[crisp nacelle]

just curiously - is there anything that makes the sv98 "worse" than its competitors?

[olive coral]

No suppressor (or wait am I confusing the gun)

[carmine shale]

The MOA spread of a kord at 50m is negligible if you can aim even just the tiniest bit

[crisp nacelle]

might be the Long Memory variant trying to make a sniper out of a pseudo-MR but it never feels right to use

[spare socket]

worse recoil and worse handling ig. But that doesn't matter in practice. It also lacks a suppressor I believe I might be tripping on that

[crisp nacelle]

hmm perhaps i need to lead my shots more with that 720m/s

[spare socket]

Or wait nah I remember now. I don't run a suppressor cuz I run hollow points on it

[olive coral]

Nope it doesn't have a suppressor I was thinking right

[spare socket]

hollow points gives the svk a 1 shot headshot up to 21 meters

[crisp nacelle]

i'm doing a "if i use a variant i don't change anything in it" type gameplay so it's why i'm dedicating to using the long memory sv98 lol

[vestal quarry]

people usually run full agnled grips and stuff?

[spare socket]

it has standard suppressor

[olive coral]

SV98 sniper?

[spare socket]

nvm I'm tripping balls I thought bro said svk

I even talked about the hollow points for that gun lol

[crisp nacelle]

look where u walk then those balls tend to sneak up on u sometimes

[olive coral]

I like the sniper you get from the challenge. The yellow one.

I'm horrible with irons on bolt actions tbh.

[spare socket]

the sv98 has a different sweet spot range, different bullet velocity, different rechambering speed, etc.

the absolute best sniper in all categories is the scout but it has no sweet spot

[rigid sparrow]

How do I get roles for battle royal

[spare socket]

id:customize

[crisp nacelle]

i got used to just kinda... double tapping with sv98

[rigid sparrow]

Ty

[olive coral]

If you're a headshot master then scout yeah

(two guesses on whether I am or not)

[crisp nacelle]

the Long Memory variant just makes no sense and that's why i want to challenge myself to lev 50 the SV98 using it

It's a sniper with a 75m sweet spot, but an 8x scope and a range finder with regular rounds and regular barrel

[analog locust]

statistically the worst overall unless you use it between like 0-80m. It only has a 30 pts suppressor. Iron Sights are also 15 pts on it ...

[olive coral]

Did they add a suppressor for the SV98?

[crisp nacelle]

the only thing i want with the sv98 is my og green stock that's all is missing

[crisp nacelle]

yes

[analog locust]

for 30 pts...

[olive coral]

Yeah I like the classic green look better.

[analog locust]

I took it to 40 and I felt miserable doing it during the x2 hardware event

[spare socket]

the reality that a gun's fire rate making missed shots un noticeable

the burst fire of the kord barely compromises the fire rate anyways you can spam that shizz to shoot almost as fast as full auot

unless ofc you have a terrible clicker finger ig

you preserve a lot more ammo, land a lot more shots, and generally should kill a lot faster with the burst fire at extremely long ranges. Hollow points also make the longer range gun fight profiles notably improved but even without that you're fine

there really isn't a reason to not use burst fire at long ranges for a net 100 rpm compromise

unless ofc you have a skill issue and can't tap the trigger fast enough which fine ig

frankly there's an argument for 50 ish meters being handleable I can see that but entering 75+ ranges nah turn on that burst fire lmao

[carmine shale]

Aim better with full auto :^)

[spare socket]

bro likes gambling with spread ig, which you can sure

a gun having a 900 rpm makes gambling a lot less noticeable

[olive coral]

I just prefer to gamble by spraying full auto into the distance with a 200rd LMG. If I get a hit I get a hit!?

[spare socket]

kts is your best friend I assume

[olive coral]

I'm jk lol

[spare socket]

ah ig. Tbh tho if you want to ruin a snipers day with as minimal skill input as possible

[olive coral]

Just snipe them with an MP5 tbh

[spare socket]

throw on a kts and beam them across the map full auto lmao.

[smoky tiger]

guys why so many bots in asia server😞

[dusky marten]

[olive coral]

Totally done it before. I'da been mad imo

[spare socket]

mp5 is valid but at realllly long ranges its fall off can be a bit painful. the bullet velocity also doesn't help. I'm talking like beyond 100 m btw

[ashen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-buddy-guy-friend-canadian-gif-6183589

[spare socket]

And i'm referring to the sniper being like @tribal zodiac level that you need to resort to that form of play

[dusky marten]

Real.

[spare socket]

razr (dude has the most esr kills in the game) can and will attest to his hatred of mortars, the kts, and svk on a daily basis in fact.

[storm bloom]

So wait, Battlefield 6 is selling AI stuff?

[olive coral]

I like destroying mortars with the recon drone :)

[dusky marten]

I dont like mortars either. I resided to mow them down with a helicopter.

[olive coral]

I like to imagine they're camped out all comfy and suddenly poof no more mortar and "wtf??"

[spare socket]

I don't mind them but then again I never touch breakthrough so

Apparently after the buffs they are much much better in breakthrough with a recon drone spotting people lmao.

[olive coral]

I'm glad there was no challenge for mortar kills.

[tight prism]

[olive coral]

I've yet to use one. I liked it in previous battlefields but it's kinda boring tbh. Barely get any hits in my experience.

[dusky marten]

Ya it was Conquest or escalation tho that time, the map with houses and all the 3 middle zones in same house in the middle. Forgot map name. Still don't like em tho, painfully to get a round in your head from half the map

[spare socket]

as someone who wishes to never touch sniper again since i got all of mine to level 50, at least until they are nerfed because I find them a bit to easy and long for the bf4 rainbows.

I take notes from razr as to what forms of strategies they despise to ruin a snipers day

it's not about the kills its about sending a message

[dusky marten]

Tbh only reason I haven't tried it. Feels like I wouldt get any hits and I would probably not either ngl

[spare socket]

in the end be thankful bf4's mortars don't exist especially its mortar truck

bf4 mortars were another beast. And the fact there was an entire truck that could shoot the most op mortars in the franchise was silly for maps of that size

[olive coral]

Sending a message but do you get like score for even doing it? Is it just smoke and mirrors for the sake of a hopeful W and no credit in the end

[misty anvil]

why cant i reroll my new weekly battlepass missions?

[dusky marten]

It's all about being a real big "irritating dude" one could say lol

[dusky marten]

I had to resend my message as the censur took it

[spare socket]

As someone with about 1100 c-4 kills and about 900 claymore kills I have in fact recieved many interesting messages in game chat

[dusky marten]

Damn. Haven't played it tho, unfortunately this is my first bf due to well age, money and interests. Tho I do not regret buying it tho, having a blast with this game.

[spare socket]

the agenda continues

[olive coral]

Claymore seems pretty reliable in BF6. I like using C4 too, on the spec ops class. I like playing sneaky like that.

[dusky marten]

Lmao. Someone has been at it lmao

[spare socket]

c-4 after the hit registration update is a lot more reliable tbh. It's not perfect but it at least kills people now

[olive coral]

I'll sit by the breakthrough enemy spawn and wait for the tank to roll out then run up on it and toss some gifts.

[spare socket]

ye that works too

[dusky marten]

I have myself gotten killed by being reckless to claymores several times. But I have gotten a few kills myself with em too

[spare socket]

I killed like 12 people on D point mirak roof in conquest once shizz was hilarious 💀

[olive coral]

C4 tank kills are so satisfying, sometimes I'll kamikaze it on purpose, if I know I can't get away. Worth it every time.

[spare socket]

They just kept rushing down the stairs after they capped D and I just ketp throwing and detonating lmao

[dusky marten]

Real, same

[spare socket]

my buddy then tossed a spawn beacon up there and I would constantly spawn up there and c-4 spam the hole atop D point roof

many a threat was recieved in game chat

[olive coral]

I thought the sledgehammer was going to be a problem at launch but it turned out not to be. I was surprised. It seemed like infinite C4 for destroying walls and such.

[spare socket]

at launch it was tbh. It was nerfed twice

[olive coral]

Oh really? I never saw it abused personally.

[spare socket]

most people were unfortunately too busy using it on drones that they forgot to use it on walls

[olive coral]

Lol I remember the drone thing. I never caught that in a game myself but I saw videos.

[humble trench]

before the nerf all you had to do was take out your sledgehammer and stand there menacingly and buildings would topple over cowering in fear, but its in a decent spot now having to hit something like 4 times

[dusky marten]

Once I drove an ifv pretty fast. Some guy had decided it would be fun to lay many mines after each other using both normal and the eod bot mines. I pretty much drove forward and exploded directly due to the shear amount of mines I drove over at the same time, no reaction time. Pretty sure the if actually flew a bit in the air too

[glad canyon]

Did you die outside spawn

[spare socket]

you could topple a whole small building on liberation peak in about 4-5 swings lmao

[olive coral]

I saw a video a month or so back of these guys who launched a friendly tank clear across the map using a pile of C4

[spare socket]

shizz would be completely leveled

[olive coral]

Fucking absurd😂

[spare socket]

thankfully nobody used it enough and by the time it was nerfed nobody noticed

[humble trench]

yeah we got enough tanks that enjoy leveling the world already, sledgehammers were too much :P

[dusky marten]

No. Just drove over like 10 mines tht was placed at the same place so I I exploded in a great cloud of ash instantly

[spare socket]

I think I would have been cool with it if the hammer was engineer exclusive

[dusky marten]

Actually and honestly yea

[spare socket]

but then again engineers seemingly have the highest pick rate across the game so uhhhhhhhhhh.

they're fine

Deployed classes across all modes as:
Engineer: 28%
Support: 27%
Assault: 26%
Recon: 19%

[dusky marten]

Yea. But tbf it's a real good role, it's so versatile.

[spare socket]

Dice give me 2 proximity sensors and make it so c-4 can blow up tanks with 2 charges (3 for armor plating) and my life is yours

[glad canyon]

Lmao dice will probably fix the bot mines so players don’t get insta killed from mine stacking

[spare socket]

maybe buff assault stim too ig

[olive coral]

Idk what can be done with the stim though

[spare socket]

but idrc about that. Spec ops recon supremacy must be pushed forward. The agenda must be continued

[glad canyon]

Speed boost and maybe health regen

[dusky marten]

Yep. Just too versatile to not be picked. I main engineer ans recon, but I have recently played a lot of medic and unfortunately assault due to well challenges for the bf6 pass. Tho I can understand the beauty of assault, having both and assult rifle and a shotgun is a very nice choice.

[olive coral]

Pls no

[spare socket]

Stim: Gain a speed boost, and when you get a kill while stimmed, you gain 5 hp, instant hp regeneration, and 2 more seconds of stim up to a maximum of 10 seconds. Duration: 7 seconds.

Cooldown: 45 seconds

[dusky marten]

Real. Hope they do

[spare socket]

The issue with making stim just health regeneration is imo that's not unique enough and feels like copying the support's bag which is better still

[humble trench]

100% thats the default loadout for me too - and then i play assault/recon and wanna go through a wall and i cant. or i wanna smash a chair or plant in a corner and have to use my knife 5 times lol

[spare socket]

If you make it so the health regeneration must be earned via a kill and chained via kills it makes assault much more unique and it fits the "breacher" role

[glad canyon]

@spare socket who do you think the best recon player is on the discord

[spare socket]

either way regular health regeneration is 10hp/s.

Support's bag is 20hp/s

[olive coral]

I don't like any class having a way to heal other than the support bag. Actually ok, healing with kills is ok for assault.

[spare socket]

@tribal zodiac is probably the best sniper recon in this server.

Idk a better spec ops recon gamer than myself cuz I haven't interacted with them but I would like to find some fellow enthusiasts.

[carmine shale]

Wonder if they’ll release the ice axe to store eventually

[dusky marten]

I use the sledge on medic, engineer and recon. Assault I haven't changed it bur I still prefer using knife when using that role

[olive coral]

There are skins for it so I assume so

[spare socket]

Razr is easily the best sniper who is active in the server tho. It's not even close

[dusky marten]

Defently

[quartz nest]

1 charge of a stim that could heal vs the support bag with infinite heals doesn’t compare really. Just give the stim a slow recharge rate and it would be balanced enough. Med bags still give ammo and the assault would need the med bag to get another stim anyways.

[carmine shale]

Yeah I would assume but you never know

[spare socket]

Stim: Gain a speed boost, and when you get a kill while stimmed, you gain 5 hp, instant hp regeneration, and 2 more seconds of stim up to a maximum of 10 seconds. Duration: 7 seconds.

Cooldown: 45 seconds

Do this

It's wayyy more unique and is something you have to earn and chain constantly dynamically.

[glad canyon]

Thx

[spare socket]

It fits the breacher aesthetic of assault anyways.

You either keep the kills going to keep the 10hp/s churning (support bag is 20hp/s btw)

or you die and get nothing

High skill, high risk, high reward.

You breach them

[olive coral]

Maybe the assault ultimate should be that regen effect.

[spare socket]

the assault tier 4 is the exact effect of stim but for youself and your whole team. Kills also chain it

[olive coral]

I know but

[carmine shale]

I wasn’t aware we are playing a hero shooter

[meager hemlock]

Should remove REDSEC and Strikepoint challenges

[fast reef]

assault special should be ladder imo

[carmine shale]

“Kill chain for regen” no thanks

[olive coral]

I think I like that

[carmine shale]

Just go back to bf3 style

[spare socket]

I mean I wanna design an ability that fits the breacher aesthetic of assault

[spare socket]

ah yeah the game where assault and engineer were overtuned as all hell which continued into 4. Sure

[carmine shale]

Why? It’s not a hero shooter. It doesn’t need abilities

Just make ladder it’s class ability and make stim an equipment

[spare socket]

because the abilities and economies of 6 imo are much more balanced than the nonsense in 3 and 4.

[opal night]

favorite lmg go i like the l110 or the m250 or that one kt s100 mk8 or whatever is nice

[carmine shale]

Buff stim from that point and then you’re good to go.

[spare socket]

ah yeah 16 second regen delay, 5hp/s, and we give the best guns in the game to the class with health regeneration

[spare socket]

at least bad company 2 got that part right and had assault be the class with ammo and support the class with lmgs and health

[quartz nest]

Whether the stim is an ability or equipment it’s the least useful item in the game. If they don’t rework the buff it gives they should just remove it.

[carmine shale]

Also had the most egregious heli spam and little counters

[spare socket]

true

[olive coral]

Preferred

[fast reef]

stim heavily reduces grenade impact so i think its still useful

[humble trench]

they gotta change the visual effects of the stim again though, a spawn beacon in a dark corner with the perk that spawns squadmates with a few seconds of stim actually makes u see nothing at all, and it still frequently bugs out, the visual effect from dark/light and vice versa

[carmine shale]

So did bf3 but it split them differently

[fast reef]

just could be better, sure. Yeah the visual fx from stim need nerf

[spare socket]

It's better than the insane nonsense that was bf3 and 4 assault being by far the best infantry class since it had the best weapons in the game in the assault rifle category and access to health regeneration atop that enabling a playstyle that was not just one of the best team players but one of the best solo player playstyles in the game.

Engineer was the best vehicle class and anti vehicle class tho.

BF3-4 generally had a major issue where assault and engineer were a mile better than other classes.

[carmine shale]

The support being ammo makes more sense than assault

[spare socket]

why would you give the class with lmgs an ammo bag what the actual hell are they doing with that

[quartz nest]

Who uses it like that realistically? The buff only lasts a few seconds so it’s kinda hard to predict when a nade is going to hit you.

[carmine shale]

Why is a medic a mortarman lol

[fast reef]

I use it for that all the time, as soon as I see an incoming nade i pop it

[spare socket]

and also again why would you give the best weapon category in the game the health economy to dog on people

[carmine shale]

Are we playing the same game

[spare socket]

anyone that thinks assault bf3 and 4 was fine played assault the most I gurantee it. Shizz was broken and they enjoyed it being broken

[carmine shale]

???? lol?? 😂

[spare socket]

Like this person

[reef bolt]

@rugged mango enjoying the performance boost a lot, can run higher settings to make the game look a little prettier while still having at least 20+ more fps on average

[carmine shale]

I mained support tyvm my dog

[spare socket]

ah that's fair ig

[olive coral]

I think classes are balanced better by weapons being locked to them. Like if engineer is the only one worth using, at least you still have to play as recon if you wanna use a sniper rifle. In this that's not a factor.

Though for whatever reason I purposely limit myself to each class's proper weapon in BF6, except carbines DMRs and shotguns are for everything. I think it causes me to mix up my class usage more.

[quartz nest]

It’s too bad you can’t really can’t have a main class in BF6 if you want to complete challenges

[spare socket]

in prior bfs I agree. The guns in this game however are more homogenous and in some ways overall more viable across classes for more playstyle options.

[fast reef]

but the sniper is the only one that benefits from holding breath, so you are still limited in ways

[spare socket]

Like prior bfs the different weapon types each had very very harsh downsides and upsides that they felt a bit more distinct to each class

[carmine shale]

I do like the open class but with the limiting factors within classes for weapons

So there is a reason to use classes for their “correct” class

[spare socket]

Weapon classes can define classes.

they don't for this weapon sandbox

[fast reef]

assault would be really good with smoke

[olive coral]

BABY GATE lmfao

[carmine shale]

wtf is a baby gate

[humble trench]

good, i dont wanna get more PTSD from Assaults with sniper rifles on New Sobek rooftops :P

[olive coral]

Deployable cover lmao

[spare socket]

Tbh imo the only thing assault needs is a good stim

[fast reef]

baby gate = support wall

[olive coral]

Oh god I'll never think of it as anything else again.

[carmine shale]

Nobody has ever called it that ever in the history of bf6

[spare socket]

Assault is almost a great class imo.

[glad canyon]

I need it for camping

[fast reef]

yeah they have, enders on youtube said it first

[carmine shale]

Nobody watches Enders in 2025

[olive coral]

That's glorious, fucking baby gate.

[spare socket]

would it not be better to hold a position while under gun fire/suppression with idk a health bag

[carmine shale]

He has a perfume channel that seems more up your alley

[heady gale]

The new bundle is kinda clean actually

[spare socket]

cuz bf3 introduced suppression mind you which stopped health regeneration

[glad canyon]

Ammo bag better when I run out of ammo on my lmg
I shoot people around 150-300m in conquest

[spare socket]

if support had the health bag they could suppress opponents while not being under the effects of the health regen effects of suppression themselves

[olive coral]

Suppression should be buffed in BF6

[spare socket]

that would make wayyyyyyy more sense

like you quite literally could sit in a corner shooting people with a health bag on yourself and keep a position constantlhy with the health regen supplying you with health in that much more painful healht economy

[fast reef]

i think lmg suits support, generally speaking if you were to play support 'as intended' you are sitting at the back of the squad, while you are busy defibbing it is a smart idea not to have to reload constantly

[spare socket]

once again I must remind people that bf6 has an hp regen delay of 5 seconds with 10hp/s

Bad company 2 to bf1 had a hp regen of 6hps with a 16 second delay

the health economies of the two games are beyond different and the sandboxes around them work for those economies

[glad canyon]

Lmg go brrrrrrr

[fast reef]

unless you are supressed, then you may never regen lol

[fallen fox]

i forgot that theres technically 2 aks in the game

[spare socket]

correct so imagine this: you are a support in bf3/4 who wants to suppress people with your lmg

[olive coral]

I can think of at least 4 guns that seem like AK variants?

[spare socket]

would you prefer: an ammo bag when you have 200 rounds or a health bag to keep you unsuppressed in the health economy while doing your job

btw suppression in bf3/4 also entirely reset hp regen delay

[crimson garden]

Penguin approves nice new challenges for Winter event 😃 Thanks a lot to nice Battlefield for the new challenges & unlocks today 😃 Huge fan of nice work friends

[hybrid helm]

What does 3 red squares in the corner mean?

[fast reef]

cant remember but can you get health from bag while supressed?

[spare socket]

yessir

[olive coral]

Connection issues I believe

[glad canyon]

No (nvm me dumb

[hybrid helm]

Ah. Thats concerning

[fast reef]

that one factor can change that answer

[tribal zodiac]

Packet loss

[fallen fox]

winter event
its only on that brooklyn map

[spare socket]

well ok let me repharse.

the med bag instantly triggers hp regeneration the moment you exit suppression in bf3/4.

Additionally the supply pouch gives instant health no matter if you are suppressed or not

[olive coral]

And only one of the two lol

[fast reef]

can you provide yourself the ammo pouch?

[carmine shale]

Rpk, 205, saiga 12, NVO

[spare socket]

you do not have to wait the 16 second hp regen delay at all. If you are even given a second of time where you aren't suppressed you gain health

[carmine shale]

Technically svd as well (derivative)

[spare socket]

yes you can do that in bf3/4 title sbeyond that

[fast reef]

im just asking about bf6

[fallen fox]

Not even the vehicles one

[crimson garden]

Last match Penguin died 3 times in vain. For some reason: When Penguin received Discord messages which is normal, 3 times it somehow took Penguin PC to Desktop ❓ Usually that never happens. In the middle of firefight it's as if Windows decided to do Alt+Tab and go to Discord when message was recieved, any experience with that happening?

[spare socket]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If bf3/4 switched the health econonmy and defibs to support and the ammo economy and a few other gadgets to assault

[olive coral]

I was thinking the kord instead of saiga but there that makes 5

[spare socket]

I genuinely think that game would have peak infantry balance.

but it doesn't because dice wanted to give the class with the best guns in the game the health economy for some reason

[fast reef]

basically bf6 to me is the only battlefield where i never ever play support, its the least useful class (for me)

[spare socket]

support imo is th best solo class in the game rn (with exceptions of vehicle gamers)

[fallen fox]

Rarely seen anyone use those

[fast reef]

assault, imo strongest solo

[spare socket]

the best part about assault in solo is spawn beacon imo

[olive coral]

I had a guy kicking my ass with one once so I'll always remember it exists lol the kord. Yeah I never see the saiga though.

[fallen fox]

I forgot about those cause i have been playing assault for the past 4 hours

[spare socket]

you can use spawn beacon to become a constant knat in the opponent's side without having to breach their lines constantly to get into that positoin

[fast reef]

2 guns, extra nades, stim to block nades, faster speed, becon, ladder, ammo bags everywhere anyway, fast health regen with stim... very strong front liner

[spare socket]

combine this with breacher+grenade launcher+ frag grenades+gun of choice

[spare socket]

fyi the breacher perk raises your nade launcher from 2 shots to 3 and also gives you an extra frag off spawn. you can utility dump 5 lethals over 3 off a spawn beacon spawn

it's straight up the set up I use 24/7 on shizz like sobek city cuz that map's spawn and rotation breaches are ass

you have to deal with sniper valley, tanks, helis, and more that once you get through you better stay through.

[fast reef]

thats why i think assault is better than support for solo... but the fact support has smokes/incen makes him super strong in attacker/teamwork situations

[spare socket]

the revives are what make me appreciate support and the health economy I think the best solo players can use that class to carry their overall team

[humble trench]

yeah that, spawn beacon is powerful. just a shame when solo queue that you have to rely on randoms for ammo and have your engineers actually engineer some tanks (many dont lol)

[spare socket]

I agree spawn beacon is a lot more powerful in a team.

And again I only realllly use assault on sobek.

[humble trench]

i always feel like while assault is an absolute killing machine, i cant control the game cause i cant fight tanks

[carmine shale]

Kord is technically not an ak ak

[fast reef]

yeah, more of an infantry fighter, i find myself switching between assault and engi most of the time, take the tanks, back to assault

[spare socket]

Like straight up the op sobek strategy is this:

Spawn in with ladder+spawn beacon.

Place spawn beacon in an inaccessible spot with ladder.

Do a gun fight and then eventually die.

Spawn in with grenade launcher+breacher or shotgun+frontliner and replace the ladder. Keep placing that spawn beacon in the inaccessible spot

[humble trench]

mirak valley center is also amazing for assault, putting ladders up from the ground floor and peeking over the edge is 10/10 :P

[spare socket]

this shizz is how you become beyond obnoxious for an enemy team on sobek

You don't even need the ladder for the whole game just for the initial spawn beacon placement

once you got that they aren't touching it for the whole entire game and likely won't notice it.

[humble trench]

yep, a bit of verticality and assaults value goes up

[fast reef]

also your recons in squad will love you

[carmine shale]

Was made during ratnik trials, yet not made by kalashnikov, but maintains a similar look and style due to familiarity

[spare socket]

I just wish dice made it that if you switched classes and spawned somehwhere else spawn beacon didn't go away tbh

other gadgets stay on the map but not spawn beacon rn. Which is sadge. I sometimes wanna be a team player and help but if I do my beacon goes away

[wild crypt]

wow strikepoint sucks.. if i wanted to do this whole one life thing i'd go play CS2 lol

[humble trench]

does it actually go away? im not sure now but i think if you spawn on your teammates instead of your beacon it should stay? i need to pay attention to that when i 'hotswap' between assault and engi lol

[fast reef]

few inconsistencies ive noticed, like when u swap from recon/engi your mines/claymores stay. Also why do the c4 dissapear when u die, man so many times i wish i could just charge it on spawn

[spare socket]

This doesn't happen if you stay assault. If you switch classes it breaks

I've spawned in as assault on team mates with no real issue with my beacon but noticed if I spawn in as any of the other 3 classes the game has a prompt to break the beacon

[humble trench]

well thats alright, sometimes being an engineer is just required to deal with a sudden wave of enemy tanks

[spare socket]

yeah that's kinda my bit

[fast reef]

oh out of curiousity, how many claymores can u put down before the first one goes away?

[spare socket]

I wanna switch to deal with the issue at hand but on sobek bro I don't want to lose that advantage that I had to set up in the set up phase of the game

[spare socket]

2 max. (Dice did this to limit my ability to farm more claymore kills)

[fast reef]

ive def had 3

well all the time put 3 but didnt know if 3 or 4 was max, or more

[spare socket]

it's max 2 it can never reach 3.

like you can legit google it too trust me

[fallen fox]

One life
In this ttk

[wild crypt]

why did they make it so that if you spawn in on your own spawn beacon, the beacon breaks and you have to place it down again?

[humble trench]

1 claymore for each side of mirak valleys rooftops at the center lolol

[fast reef]

nah i definetly have 3, 100% on that

[spare socket]

I'm a degenerate who has over 900 claymore kills and 1100 c-4 kills

[spare socket]

just do a google search if you don't believe me. you might have picked up an enemy kit, it might have been a squad mate claymore, or lastly a bug

I don't believe picking up an enemy kit lets you breach the max player count of 2 tho but it might be a bug idk about

[fast reef]

i did search, thats why i asked here, but i was wondering if max is 3 or 4 or more, i know 100% i have 3, i can see them all on my mini map, also when the first one kills someone i can see my other 2 as i run to where i had them

[pallid trail]

any news on when they are fixing the crash when you leave a game? may as well just ALT+F4 after every match because going back to main menu just crashes 50% of the time

[lean gust]

What have the daily login rewards been? I missed one I think.

[spare socket]

what did the internet tell you

[desert jungle]

I did a 980m elimination with sniper, but my dog tag is with the old record, 810

[humble trench]

mostly standard 15 min xp boosters afaik

[spare socket]

across various forumns and places (once again you might have encountered a bug where you placed 3)

[fast reef]

iternet told me nothing useful obviously

[spare socket]

orrrr maybe I'm dumb and dice with the winter offensive update increased it to 3.

[desert jungle]

What do i do 😔

[spare socket]

my fellow fellow google "maximum claymore count in bf6"

[fast reef]

ive noticed this since launch day, im gonna do a test now and put them in hq, sick of wondering about this

[spare socket]

and just look around forumns

that's fair you can do this too

[humble trench]

and then google ai is like, let me check and sift through this discord data thats being sold to us: according to various people its 2 to 3 claymores maximum per player

[fast reef]

keep you posted babu

[spare socket]

lmk what you find. I would love love love to discover that dice upped the claymore count from 2 to 3

[fast reef]

bbl

[spare socket]

cuz I can 100% gurantee you as someone who has recieved a lot of threats in game chat that the launch claymore count was 2 on the map

[humble trench]

should be an easy test, find a support kit somewhere and go place 3 lol

[spare socket]

pmuch

[desert jungle]

Guys, in my profile the game is daying that my The longest sniper elimination distance is 810 meters. But i just killed someone in 980 meters. What so i do 😭

[fast reef]

you win

[tribal zodiac]

Probably a bug, ive definitely been able to have 3 down when i was doing the challenge for it

[spare socket]

acceptance

[humble trench]

wait for the servers to update it / restart your game

[desert jungle]

Wym

[spare socket]

gotcha. It might be a bug tbh

[desert jungle]

Ok

[tribal zodiac]

But thats when the game like just came out

[spare socket]

I do find it insane that the devs opted to make the maximum mine count 9 lmao

ah yes we have made the maps smaller, the mines less noticeable and increased the max mines on the map from 6 to 9

I'm cool with the noticeability improvement tbh bf4 mines were a meme especially with the op as all hell thermal sight on vehicles

[desert jungle]

Restarted, but still with the old record

[desert jungle]

I did both elimination on the same match, the 810 meters one, and the 980, but the game wanted the smallest one to be the record for some reason.

[fast reef]

max claymores = 2

[humble trench]

thatl be something if it kept that one. but in my opinion the statistics are all jumbled and have been since day 1 anyway - so i wouldnt take it too seriously

[desert jungle]

Bruh

[spare socket]

Now that you know this information. Continue the spec ops recon agenda and make people lose their minds in game chat with claymore and c-4 kills

and get accused of hacking for using a proximity sensor to pre position, preaim, and prefire every gun fight.

truly a wonderful world where the agenda shall continue

[desert jungle]

Nah bro i want the 980m on my profile

[fast reef]

i love claymore,c4 kills, but i find c4 is weak against infantry yeah? any tips on good c4 usage?

[wild crypt]

but what if you don't want to play recon

[spare socket]

proximity sensor. the sensor lets you know exactly when to detonate your c-4 you can also use it across stairs and linear angles. Or if someone is camping a corner/cover

[humble trench]

only way to make c4 work is defensively if i had to guess, its too risky with teh slow animations otherwise when you can get dropped in 0.15 seconds

[wild crypt]

I've had a few times where a tank passed under a window i was in and i just dropped the c4 onto it lol

[spare socket]

it works if you peek the corner throw and detonate larger groups of people that don't have your attention I've noticed. It's a skill that does take some getting used to.

ideal in close quarter situations where you know someone is being agro

you basically punish their linear aggression (which is super predictable) by pre placing with your finger on the trigger

do not use c-4 offensively or as a camping maneuver. Use it in response to:
-enemies camping
-to blow up key terrain to kill campers above you or behind a wall
-or with proximity sensor to perfectly place and time an explosion

[humble trench]

yeah i deffo need to play more recon to get a feel for it but in general c4 feels much more high risk and not so high reward, unless its against tanks where kamikaze is worth trying

[spare socket]

it's not like beta c-4 for sure beta c-4 was op as hell

shizz could be detonated when it was legit immediately thrown in front of you (killing yourself)

and it automatically refreshed

and near a supply bag you recieved one every 2 seconds

it also had a higher explosion radius in the beta.

if the beta recon was what the game released with assault would be a bit of a meme and recon would be the best class in the game

[humble trench]

deffo takes a while now to get some more blocks of c4, we need more supports to choose the faster ammo perk

[spare socket]

c-4 being beyond op, spawn beacon for no reason when the class doesn't need it, and all that information lmao

[spare socket]

Imo the devs should consider adjusting a lot of the recharge rates for gadgets imo. I think more gadgets should have refresh rates similar to the engineer's refresh rates near supply bags

the smoke greande also have a very fast greande recharge refresh rate which should be applied to concussions, flashes, and proximity sensors too

hell the main reason I find smokes op in this game is by the time you get one incendiary back you go from 0 to 3 smokes

[humble trench]

devils advocate: people barely use smokes so its good to have them replenish much faster. but stun grenades are in a weird place to begin with

[spare socket]

People rarely and poorly using smokes is mostly a skill issue imo

I spam that shizz for sight line blocking enemies, revives, and for keeping linear angles in an extreme advantage state for myself..

[alpine quiver]

It's the best projectile in the game and nobody uses it

[spare socket]

it turns out if you have one person playing recon and a support with a cover wall+you smoke a linear predictable angle enemies are coming from based on the radar

[humble trench]

its just inherently not rewarding in the base sense, barely any points, you block vision and a lot of casual players dont like their vision blocked. its just one of those items in game that are very very strong but somehow repulsive to use for most folks

[spare socket]

you both just gun down any idiot who decides to walk through that smoke with 0 cover and find you head glitching on the wall

[proud pilot]

I smoke my feelings with bf so I don’t have to confront my childhood trauma.

[spare socket]

shizz is ridiculous lmao

[wild crypt]

b36a4 or l85a3, which would you choose

[humble trench]

getting a kill with a grenade >>> blocking vision with smoke allowing you much better plays and result in even more kills :P

[spare socket]

b36a4 easily

[sand owl]

Hdjxjbd tá txksjdx

[valid roost]

Its support only, and your average player wll want a frag instead of a smoke. Even if a smoke nade offers far more utility. Thats why you rarely see it (At least in Conquest)

[spare socket]

but you also spawn with 2 smokes and get 3 smokes by the time you get one greande and smokes have more use cases

[willow lintel]

I am not great at using smokes but I am doing my best to practice, since my KD is horrible my favorite role to play is support

[humble trench]

hey i absolutely agree with you, smoke is god tier, even when you solo play the game. but the average person only thinks 1 second ahead so they want grenades, shrug

[spare socket]

I agree. Smokes are imo the most skill intensive grenade option in the game.

I would say throwing knives but those have spread.

the next being mini proximity sensors since you need to perfectly place them on key angles in combination with your main sensor to cover a large area

[willow lintel]

And it always feels good to smoke off an angle, get a bunch of revives and successfully push to a better spot before the smile clears

[spare socket]

Why on earth dice decided to make throwing knives:
-not be something you can pick up and instead have 5 charges of
-have spread (like if you straight up throw your knife it will randomly go in a random spot and you have to pray to god it lands)
-and opt for spread with it not one shotting to the body doing only 50 damage and only 1 shotting to the head is crazy to me

[humble trench]

smoke grenades are just for ppl who are experienced in teh game. if you can read your opponents behavior you can litereally block their vision and shoot through it for free kills lol

[valid roost]

I wish they would fix fire going through walls, liek they have smoke not doing that

[spare socket]

i'm cool with the fact they went back to the knife no longer one shotting like in bf3/4.

But the spread is so stupid

[spare socket]

it's more than that tbh if they walk through smoke they are fflipping dead

[hearty elbow]

Did they add drone keybinds yet Jesus

[spare socket]

they essentially walk out in the open with 0 cover to be welcomed to gun fire. While you have a deployable cover head glitch

recon proximity sensor furthers this to an extreme

[proud pilot]

Jesus is busy doing Jesus things to deal with drone keybinds

[humble trench]

yeah this bothers me a lot, i haev too many random deaths to that. also invisible world fires that seem to set you on fire out of nowhere or from too far a range, quite inconsistent - if i had to guess the server knows there is a fire somewhere and for some clients its visible but its not being treated as priority netcode traffic so some other clients dont get to see any of it at all. bit like the one way 'map smoke' issues

[hearty elbow]

What’s the pope doing

[spare socket]

Every day I shall pray to dice to make throwing knives not a meme and to give the mini throwable proximity sensors 2 charges

[proud pilot]

I think he’s free, he should be available to go to EA offices.

[hidden gust]

Oh joy..... kills on "freezing" enemies I can't wait..

[hearty elbow]

Sweet cause I’m sick of having to pickup my controller to use the damn drone as a MKB player

[spare socket]

also for the love of god dice please please PLEASE make it so when I die my proximity sensor (which is still on the map) keeps working.

For some insane reason there's a bug in the game rn where if you die your sensor (which is still on the map btw and active) no longer spots people for yourself or your team

why this is still in the game? I have 0 idea

I legit straight up force myself to stay on the ground downed so the sensor still keeps working for my team even if noboyd comes to revive me if I feel it's worth it

the fact I have to do that is stupid

[proud pilot]

I thought the prox sensor worked off the player spiritual pressure.

[wraith canopy]

At least assaults should have smokes too imo. They are supposed to make pressure and push forward so i don't really get why only support has it

[spare socket]

The sensor spots a player who is sprinting, shooting, jumping, or sliding.

Players who crouch sprint or walk do not trigger it

[worldly trail]

Issues are better seen on the forums or reddit I believe

[proud pilot]

Maybe that’s cuz they mask their spiritual pressure?

[spare socket]

oh i'm wrong sorry it does work on players walking or standing up

[proud pilot]

This, there needs to be enough of a stink about it before the devs see it.

[spare socket]

you have to be crouched or prone for it not to trigger.

The claymore is the one limited by these things

[reef bolt]

claymore is so fun, pop it down and get a kill 30 seconds later

[spare socket]

I have gotten a 5 man with a claymore once on iberain offensive point B

[reef bolt]

put it on the most obvious flank routes and it never fails

[crimson garden]

Penguin says it's just like nice fishing 🎣 😎

[spare socket]

before dice improved hit registration to make c-4 more consistent I would place 1-2 c-4 near my claymore on infantry maps

the claymore would explode triggering the claymores which would lead to a much larger and more consistent explosion

always killling the person who triggered it and maybe killing a few people adjacent to it

[proud pilot]

So y’all wanna talk about Vince? I’ve got an inkling that the game is gonna get worse.

[spare socket]

I've talked about it at length myself tbh. I've respected and nerded out about that fellow for a long time

[proud pilot]

Talked about it here? Cuz half this chat is just you responding to yourself lol.

[spare socket]

I do that to expand a topic point with a bit more detail.

[fast reef]

👍

[wraith canopy]

Loved the jedi games he made! I'm also wonderin if we get major chances with this tragic story

[proud pilot]

lol, who’s next in line for bf6? I want to google what subscription service they use to work for

[spare socket]

@proud pilot if you're curious about his history this might interest you

[proud pilot]

Fr, idk why people buy Ferraris when they don’t know how to drive them

[stiff osprey]

anyone else get absolutely none of the rewards for the BF2042 and BF6 open beta tasks? been in touch with ea support but they just told me its a known issue with no fix lmao feels like a cheap cop out on EAs part

[shadow wren]

Is it just me or does c4 straight up just despawn if its on a drone and said drone dies

[spare socket]

he even fought for employee bonuses with activision after mw2 which were promised but denied. In response he got many of his trusted devs a side gig working on bad company 2 with extra pay for them. When activision noticed this they got pissed and fired Vince and his partner Jason West

[proud pilot]

Oh I’m super aware of his history. The Medal of Honor series was my first fps. The dude was a legend and the primary reason I had hope for bf6

[proud pilot]

I didn’t know that. That’s rad

[spare socket]

after being fired he founded respawn entertainment which he then eventually sold to ea for 450 million dollars. He could have retired from the industry after that but loved it so much and wanted to see it have a bright future

half of that sale price (200 million) was bonuses for his staff

unfortunately once said bonuses ran out in about 2020 ea began railing respawn but that's another story

he was just such a great person for the industry and it's a bit sad he's gone

@proud pilot me too

[crystal glen]

a bit? its very sad he is gone

[proud pilot]

Legend. I’m just worried Byron Beede will take over.

[spare socket]

legit one of the few reason I had blind confidence in this game's future no matter what.

[proud pilot]

Shush up grok.

[spare socket]

I'm aware I've been listening to boys don't cry by cure in the shower bro and tearing up a bit lol

it's such a massive loss the the entire fps industry if not gaming industry as a whole

[crystal glen]

so you dont think its sad he is gone?

[proud pilot]

I think your clarification is annoying

[spare socket]

I have some buds in the industry who even worked for the fella and loved how he treated staff

[crystal glen]

why are you such a terrible human being?

[spare socket]

lets not fight about some semantics

[crystal glen]

just say rip and shut your fucking mouth

[proud pilot]

Damn grok, chill

[jagged falcon]

I still can't believe he's gone

[proud pilot]

lol, someone got real angwy real fast

[proud pilot]

Same dude

[jagged falcon]

Those early CoDs were my childhood and the WW2 ones got me into history

[granite igloo]

World at war was amazing

[jagged falcon]

Thank you for everything Vince, you made my rough childhood a bit less bad

[wraith canopy]

I loved the star wars jedi games. Wondering whats happening with part 3 now

[proud pilot]

lol same! Gateway into the three hour YouTube history vids lol

[spare socket]

I just loved how much he's done for the indsutry man

[jagged falcon]

Vince didn't work on World at War, I'm referring to 1 and 2

[spare socket]

he always fought for his staff, always innovated the fps scene, always strived for proper worker compensation, and was a great game lead

[proud pilot]

I’m worried too. The story was incredible and the ball seems to keep dropping for starwars

[crystal glen]

vince worked on the very first few cods and thats it, he did titan fall, jedi games and Bf

[jagged falcon]

He did CoD 4 and MW2 as well

[proud pilot]

Careful guys, grok gets really angry really fast.

Oh shoot, see! He’s blowing up again!

[spare socket]

yeah but he was foundational to the very founding of cod in the first place. Jason West and him are goats in the industry. They made cod up until mw2 as game leads and only left because activision fired them for advocating for employee bonuses and when activision denied said bonuses they got their staff a side gig at ea working on bad company 2 to compensate them for a promise.

[crystal glen]

@gaunt arch ban this dude

[hearty elbow]

I’m just scrolling through all these snow soldier and weapon skins in the store laughing my ass off. We got ONE snow map and it’s the smallest map in the game lmao

[proud pilot]

lol, you told me to stfu and called me a terrible human being. What did I say to trigger that?

[spare socket]

after they were fired they founded titanfall 2 with staff that were loyal to them at infinity ward who also left activision to follow Jason and Vince.

Jason unfortunately left the industry for a while due to personal family issues that were never disclosed those two were partners for aw hile

[humble trench]

something something it doesnt snow in Cairo or whereever Firestorm is located :P

[reef bolt]

does anyone have sharpness recommendations? im currently at 100 but i feel like its a little too sharp lmao

[quartz karma]

🕋

[spare socket]

I run like 30 ish or something

[wraith canopy]

Yes thats why i won't get the new battle pass. Nice side effect: i'm not forced to gain a specific amount of whatever until the battle pass ends and can play when i want

[quartz karma]

20-50 not 100 goodness

[hearty elbow]

Tru dat, but who cares really. It’s just funny they got so many white skins on the store for $$$ and one ass map for it

[humble trench]

sharpness depends on your gfx settings, it can mean different things. DLSS/DLAA i have it set to 60 ish

[reef bolt]

i crank my shit up to 100 all the time but since i can run higher settings i can appreciate softer details now

[quartz karma]

higher settings with that 6090

[spare socket]

call of duty 2003, call of duty 2, call of duty modern warfare, and call of duty modern warfare 2 he was game lead on.

he helped other projects like world and war and such but wasn't the game lead.

He founded call of duty and infinity ward with Jason west after working on medal of honor allied assault with steven spielberg in 2002 and brought his experience as game lead of that game into COD

[reef bolt]

ive got a 9600x + 9070xt

depending on how benchmarks go for the 9850x3d i might get that later next year as well

[spare socket]

after mw2 he was fired

[proud pilot]

The pc part crisis is just a concept for you lol. 💰

[keen dock]

Rip Vince Zampella 😭😭😭😭

[humble trench]

considering the amount of people who buy 5090's and think thats normal, raised ram prices mean nothing to those types of people

[proud pilot]

Hey man, some people spend money on cars, some on pcs, more power to them. I’m just trying to survive so I’ll always be in awe lol

[humble trench]

yeah id love a faster PC too but im not gonna spend this absurd money. at the same time it feels like its only going to get worse so who even knows what the right call is

[reef bolt]

im fortunate enough to live a life where my main worry is my studies right now

[wraith canopy]

Others can't handle money and get nothing xD all possible lol

[spare socket]

I just wish AI development had:
-better environmental regulation
-better market regulations so it didn't extremely affect part and rare material markets
-and better development regulations to fix misalignment, hallucination, and to ensure it isn't mis used

I'm cool with ai's development in medicine, code, technology, etc that is all extremely important stuff that is amazing. I'm not super keen on it replacing artists since art imo is very much human expression in its purest form.

[proud pilot]

Ah, I miss those days. Take advantage! I’m still running my college pc.

[reef bolt]

i think the only thing my setup needs upgrades is in storage and cpu

9070xt gonna last me until i die hopefully

[humble trench]

cant stop big money from wanting even more money/power, thats what AI promises, so expect corruption worldwide

[spare socket]

the government is being a little too unregulatory even downright providing backing towards ai development in a manner that is extremely corrupt and offputting to me

I think giving a huge government grant and an exclusivity on a market via a government mandate is. just insane but whatever

[proud pilot]

I think AI should be run locally, data centers are terrible for us and the environment. Focusing on running these models locally would encourage better parts for consumers, cleaner models, better ram usage.

[crystal glen]

you’re ignorant

[humble trench]

same issues everywhere, even in the netherlands deals are being made eventhough this server parks rapidly increase the heat of local water supplies and whatnot, also massive power use increase that all trickles down to consumers having to pay for it all. same problems worldwide

[proud pilot]

Every comment you make is so rude. Please find inner peace.

[wraith canopy]

And we should stop calling everything a AI even if its just a automatic machine, which most "AI's" are these days lol
This stuff has nothing to do with real intelligence

[spare socket]

even beyond that my biggest concern is the lack of concern for proper regulation to avoid misalignment, hallucination, and misuse

those 3 things are by far the biggest concerns and threats to society long term

[proud pilot]

Straight up. People keep saying, “it’s already here” like this isn’t the literally time to start fighting for better regulation.

[spare socket]

literally every single major ai company is increasing processing power to develop agi models specifically

[jagged falcon]

Vince hasn't even been dead for 3 days and we are already getting AI slop in BF6

[crimson garden]

Enemy hide behind corner. Penguin throw nice C4 & press button while C4 is on the way past corner = nice move 😃

[humble trench]

vote for people who do actually give a shit about one and another, only thing you can do really

[spare socket]

which those if rushed too quickly are straight up insane in how they can (theoretically) operate

those models should recieve the absolute most extreme amount of scrutiny, care, and attention before ever being created or even given the time to operate privately behind closed doors or in public

[proud pilot]

Let’s not forget that half of the US stock market is invested in AI with the PROMISE of returned profits, however AI still has yet to show how much money it’s actually capable of making for its users. Expect more lay offs and replacements for devs with a noticeably worse alternative.

[grizzled topaz]

king bob

[spare socket]

pretty much

but I do think ai is extremely effecient in a lot of fields tbh by a significant margin.

[proud pilot]

King Rob

[spare socket]

It's just not fields that involve yk..... art and human expression...

[grizzled topaz]

are you a raccoon by any chance

[proud pilot]

It’s good at summarizing my emails, not good at finding sleeping sessions clogging up my Apis

[spare socket]

I would love to send my sources on the effects on the medical industry but the last time I did I was muted for one hour if you would be interested I could dm you

[proud pilot]

I am. I learned English and got my self a computer.

[spare socket]

For reference my parents are doctors and I have some relatives who work in medical research and it's frankly the only reason I know about this stuff

[jagged falcon]

Why are we talking about AI but not mentioning it's use in BF6 recently?

[grizzled topaz]

what the hell

[proud pilot]

THIS!

[spare socket]

because gen ai is kinda stupid and not the cool or interesting parts of ai.

It's the part that should have no place in the market

[crimson garden]

BF6 = cool friends 😎 Penguin play BF6 every day. Also nice more challenges got added when the earlier timer hit 0 for winter event

[wise tapir]

I wonder if some AI is used to "improve" the code here because some random stuff is breaking with each update

[spare socket]

but executives keep trying to force it into the market.

[grizzled topaz]

penguin for bf6 ceo

[proud pilot]

Feel free to DM me:) I work in the field currently, my wife is a dentist so this is a topic of conversation for us.

[proud pilot]

I’m down to complain about it in BF6

My favorite pass time is complaining:)

[spare socket]

I just find that it should just be removed from the game. Either EA and Dice remove it from the game to dodge the Steam ai use tag and scrutiny.

Or they double down and make more consumers kinda annoyed

[crimson garden]

That sounds like big responsibility to Penguin Penguin would need lots of assistance to get started to avoid any bottlenecks 👉 🦢

[spare socket]

I don't really see how that reallly can go in any other direction or conversation avenues

[crystal glen]

i’m sure your wife’s boyfriend would love to talk all about her work, now be a good boy and go make dinner.

[heady gale]

😭😭😭😭😭

[spare socket]

I just find gen ai beyond boring

[wise tapir]

AI has zero personality

[spare socket]

To talk about. and If i'm gonna show distaste for it, it will be in how I use my wallet and show distaste for it in the right places that ea and dice can actually notice

[proud pilot]

Weren’t you the dude that @ the mods to try to have them ban me? I’m sorry you’ve never felt the warm embrace of a woman.

[proud pilot]

Ya, lol, right here

[spare socket]

I'm surprised you haven't muted or blocked the person named after an ai model, pinged moderators, and got mad and threatened me for showing basic empathy to someone I've admired since I was like 13

they're likely to get banned eventually anyways

[proud pilot]

Agreed.

[spare socket]

btw I sent the information regarding usage of ai in the medical field.

[proud pilot]

Thanks man:) I’ll check it out

[spare socket]

There are some pros and unfortunately due to how corporations are so heavily tied to medicine cons

you would think the U.S would take a hint that corporations deserve harsher regulatory practices and some fields deserve to be better handled as government funded assets

[proud pilot]

Insurance companies are the biggest fear I have around abuse

[spare socket]

a huge reason U.S life insurance is so expensive even under the government's medicaid policy is quite literally private corporations setting price standards

[wraith canopy]

That is totally normal in game development and has nothing to do with any sort of "AI"

[heady gale]

You’d think…

[spare socket]

if corporations control a market so harshly, a market that has no business being that corporate in the first place. It gets hard to implement any policy that can have a positive impact

[proud pilot]

Their challenges have always been really unbalanced

[spare socket]

The moment when you tell someone a public library is a socialist policy

and ask them if they think "public libraries are morally wrong things"

[proud pilot]

I agree, this is more of an issue with the billion dollar corporation not wanting to pay for a good QA team

[heady gale]

I dare say socialist policies are far from the worst policies you can implement, at least they aim to actually help the common person

[subtle moth]

Can we put some more stealthy delta ops type of skins for soldiers on the store lol thank you I have no idea where to request this

[proud pilot]

They know, the politicians just don’t care since their salaries and lobbying money keep them out of touch with normal people.

[lunar drum]

Rip Vince zampella

[wise tapir]

So that's why stuff is still bugged to hell and only gets worse with each update. You can use AI all you want but if it ends up breaking shit then it's no use. There needs to be better (or any) QA

[wraith canopy]

Dude this has nothing to do with AI this is happening since ever

[proud pilot]

lol, uh oh. Don’t let the capitalist hear you. You wouldn’t want someone making 30k to get mad we’re stifling their potential to make a billion.

[wise tapir]

Alr, you do you

[spare socket]

The goal of an economy and government should be efficiency and the upholding of basic moral standards. What that is defined as differs from person to person but the reality is that people need to look past the "facade" of conservatism". Conservatism's practical values don't exist and never have existed.

Conservativism across history has historically presented protection of "values and moral standards" to hide the reality it is a protection of privilege, position, and power, using the lies of the former to protect the latter.

More people should opt to look at political policy and economic policy as they are and not get over concerned with culture war nonsense. The reality is the modern world is about mixed economies and mixed political system.

A public library is quite literally a socialist policy. This doesn't make the U.S socialist for adopting a single socialist policy. The degree to which policies should be incorporated across the political spectrum is the debate and we should have it.

Sry for the text wall just wanted to say my bit on the topic and kinda move past it

[heady gale]

I’m afraid I’m one of those woke leftists that doesn’t believe billionaires should exist 💔 they don’t like me very much

[wraith canopy]

It's fact. I'm playing games since 2006 and bugs after patches happening since the games get updated trough patches (this was at the ps3 time)
Also i'm a tester in specific games and know how that stuff happen

[spare socket]

I think the conversation now should be less about billionares and more about trillionares lol but that's another topic

anyways battlefield

[proud pilot]

American politics heavily mix ideology and economics though. Not to mention in America late stage capitalisms expanse is extremely dependent on the rise of Christian nationalism. It’s no wonder why all the largest corporation are in religiously motivated super PACs

[humble trench]

back on topic, the swc10 is still overpowered hurrrdurrrrrrrr

[heady gale]

Whole ass countries GDP 💀

[keen fox]

As of now that Vince zampella has passed how are we feeling about this game and it's future content?

[spare socket]

I'm aware

[wise tapir]

K

[proud pilot]

Eh, no one needs a billion dollars.

[fair charm]

cooked

[quartz karma]

hopefully the game doesnt turn into slop like bf 2042

[fair charm]

vince was the last one with actual vision for the game. prob just shareholders now

[proud pilot]

Billionaires are the reason South Korea, Japan, and America are cooking the working class like an egg on a skillet lol

[humble trench]

i doubt the game will get worse, thats crazy to think. it also isnt suddenly going to get ai generated content everywhere. that would be shooting themselves in the foot. dont worry so much :P

[spare socket]

I agree frankly but I think a starting step should be the reality that even if you increase corporate tax rates to pre reagan administration and remove stock buy backs there will still be billionares

[fair charm]

it alr has ai generated content 😭

[spare socket]

I think maybbbe we should consider moving onto bf 6 convos tho

[humble trench]

yeah i left a word out, i meant overwhelmed with ai gen content :)

[keen fox]

Im calling it that season 3 and 4 will bomb. Season 2 is probably already done but the 2 after will suffer creatively

[humble trench]

at the end of the day EA is a business and if their products do not appeal to the average fan of FPS games theyre not selling anything, so i doubt any radical changes will come to BF6. maybe in future BF games.

[boreal terrace]

do the br4ind3ad devs know that their $60 USD game is still broken, bugged/glitched with high end pc's experiencing stuttering?

[heady gale]

If I had a billion battlefield credits, I could buy everything to ever come out in the store many times over

[fair charm]

nah typically these things are already planned out years in advance

[spare socket]

The pipeline while it's set i'm concerned that without Vince EA might enter panic mode.

If i had to say my thoughts on bf6 with vince it was:
I fully knew this game at launch would be a mess. Every single battlefield on the frostbite engine has had a messy launch within the first year of release. This has never not been the case because the frostbite engine is unforutnately extremely buggy and requires extensive playtesting and data. I had confidence in the game with vince on the team

[heavy jolt]

Battlefield 7 2026 😎

[fair charm]

season 2 is already done they’re likely working on developing s3 rn, but vision wise it’s done

[spare socket]

However with vince gone, with EA being bought by the SA PIF (Saudi Arabia private investement fund), and more I'm not sure about the future of battlefield

[heavy jolt]

BF 2042 season 2 😏

[granite igloo]

I hope we’re not cooked

[spare socket]

that part isn't my concern my concern is vince is the exact type of person who would fight for employee treatment, ensuring this game didn't have ai in it long term, and proper monetezation practices. There is a reason he was removed from apex's development after launch

[keen fox]

Which sucks bf6 has so much potential and I was hoping to see this magic transition into another WW1 or WW2 game but who knows

[quartz karma]

surely I could get a steam refund with 200 hours 🙏

[fair charm]

bf6 already failed in every aspect there so it’s only up from here ig

[spare socket]

every bf at launch has since the move to frostbite

frostbite fundamentally is a messy engine and every bf game has taken at least 1 year to reach a stable state since it repalced the refractor engine

[spare socket]

the only game that was a mess on the refractor engine at launch was bf 2142

[fair charm]

bf6 is good and could be great but it comes down to how they steer it

[humble trench]

relatively small amount of people know and truly understand the Frostbite engine afaik. its not like Epics Unreal engine that gets more widespread use in the industry so programmers can more easily learn the same engine

[heady gale]

GRT is quite a fun gun actually

[spare socket]

combined with the fact that yk most of dice's veterans left to start their own studio. So you have a horrendous engine with people learning to use it for the first time

[fair charm]

bf is like the only game ive seen on frostbite 😭

[humble trench]

yep, that deffo slows down optimization of BF6 unfortunately

[spare socket]

because it's an engine dice made

[heavy jolt]

Roblox 😏

[fair charm]

now it all makes sense

[spare socket]

it's also an engine that's kept private an in house. No other game can use it unless EA allows it

[granite igloo]

Mass effect andromeda was on frostbite

[fair charm]

buggy, messy engine. dice behind it

[spare socket]

which is a game made by a company under ea

[quick helm]

isnt fifa on frostbite now too

[quartz karma]

grting my bc

[humble trench]

Google AI Overview
The Frostbite engine, developed by DICE (EA), powers numerous popular Electronic Arts titles, primarily the
Battlefield series (BF3, BF4, BF1, BFV, BF2042, Bad Company games), but also extends to Star Wars Battlefront (I & II), Need for Speed (The Run, Rivals, NFS 2015, Payback, Heat, Unbound), sports games like FIFA/EA Sports FC, Madden, and NHL (recent entries), Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age: Inquisition, and Mirror's Edge Catalyst, known for its advanced destruction and visuals.

[spare socket]

wanna guess the publisher of fifa

[fair charm]

as if anyone else wants it 😭

[bleak cloud]

How about crysis? Wasn't that too made with Frostbite?

[humble trench]

its more or less the EA engine now i guess lol

[spare socket]

frostbite is basically: very very pretty and great games.....

1 year after launch or never

[heavy jolt]

Roblox Blackhawk Rescue Mission 5 😏

[quartz karma]

cry engine

[spare socket]

even bf1 oh lord man people have the most insane nostalgia goggles on

[fair charm]

bf1 honestly didnt release that bad i remember

[quartz karma]

this game didn't launch too bad either compared to basically every other battlefield

[spare socket]

https://youtu.be/gw9KcqQSRRI?si=efZKUaYBS5TuU1NU this shizz is not a stable game bro

i've played bf since 2142 in 2006 and my eyes were pretty clear that this was not a well optimized game. It was frankly poorly optimized and buggy

given it's the second most stable frostbite game in the franchise at launch

[heavy jolt]

2999

[spare socket]

that is also not a high standard

one could argue third honestly. Bf1 and 6 kinda flip flop for me.

Bad company 1 was the most stable frostbite launch but that game had severe limitations and camera work+ was designed as a console exclusive

[tribal zodiac]

i certainly found this game more playable at launch than cs2 was

[spare socket]

this is true

[heavy jolt]

BF VII

[spare socket]

the most stable frostbite game in my memory was battlefront 2015 but that game also had like....

[heavy jolt]

2010 ☹️

[spare socket]

next to zero content and the most watered down mechanics known to man with all the content locked behind dlc

[tribal zodiac]

Idk i was just getting nonstop frustrated with CS2 because everything was worse besides the graphics, and that wasnt a tradeoff i was happy with

[rigid sigil]

Solos BR When?

[spare socket]

battlefront 2 to this day has bugs galore.

[granite igloo]

L110 is mid

[heady gale]

You playing soon or working ?

[spare socket]

the l110 is the gun you give to someone that says they can't handle the m123k

[simple flame]

Bring solos br forreal.. I dont want to play with any of yall

[spare socket]

that is basically its only real purpose

[tribal zodiac]

I have to deal with cancelling my old ISP, getting a haircut then watching the new episode of a show im watching then go to work

[spare socket]

it is quite literally an m123k in every single stat department but has slightly higher accuracy and precision but worse rate of fire

[heady gale]

Fairs fairs

[tribal zodiac]

I was originally gonna get on but eh

[spare socket]

what show (please say pluribus)

mighty nein would also be valid

frankly there are a lotta good shows airing rn lol.

Just curious

[humble trench]

Oh neat, just looked up Pluribus season 1 finale is tomorrow, so i might give that a chance then. prefer watching 1 show at a time so that usually means binge time

[tribal zodiac]

For context, i really struggle to hop on a game if i dont have at least 8 hours to grind it

[spare socket]

Vince Gilligan and Rhea are cooking with Pluribus bro

[fallen fox]

This is the battlefield 6 chat
But yeah i need that season finale

[heavy jolt]

battlefront 3 clone order 66

[heady gale]

Icl I get four hours on a game if I’m lucky

[humble trench]

oh yeah yeah im back to using the SG553R and its pretty good. keeps taking me a while to adjust to the bloom of certian weaps tho cause i alternate between TR7, M277 and SG553 now, and some SCW10 :P

[heady gale]

Using the GRT rn and it’s actually really fun

[tribal zodiac]

Landman currently

I just watch whatever at work

[humble trench]

GRT is nice and easy to jump on and fairly effective at most ranges, but it doesnt do anything god tier basically. then again no weapon really matches up against a TR7/SCW up close anyway

[fallen fox]

Yellowstone but even more corpo shit

[tribal zodiac]

I get my movies and shows through uh, certain channels and choices are limited lol

[spare socket]

pretty solid show tbh but it has a few pieces of dialogue I find a lil thrown in there by uhhh certain people that aren't the screen writers.

They make sense for whose saying em ig but still. I haven't seen season 2 yet tho

[heavy jolt]

BF7 💪😏💪

[tribal zodiac]

1st season was good, idc for the 2nd season as much though, im just watching it for billy lmfao

[spare socket]

I'm the same

I saw like 1 episode of season 2 that's about all and didn't continue from there.

[fallen fox]

I did not enjoy the daughter subplot

[tribal zodiac]

Bro maxed out the charisma stat

[fallen fox]

It was unbearable to go through

[spare socket]

Season 2 of the last of us was such a huge fall from grace bro I felt so bad about it

[humble trench]

idk, with good burst control its still pretty solid midrange, just with poor bullet velocity - then again i also run that TR7 hipfire build with a scope and tapping that at midrange can also be pretty good, playing like that has a high skill cap tho and if im not fully zoned in im gonna haev a bad time

[granite igloo]

Ppl can say visibility is easily the worst it’s been since bf5

[spare socket]

Shizz had every opportunity to fix a few narrative dissonance issues with the game. I actually love the game's gameplay and story in vacuums but found that the gameplay just clashed with the story too hard

you can't tell me she's forgiving abbie after murdering entire groups of people bro

[heavy jolt]

BATTLEFIELD 2042 US🇺🇸😎

[fallen fox]

Everything from part 2 was a huge fall from grace

[granite igloo]

And Desync is nice too

[spare socket]

I think part 2 had a great concpet. I think I would have made a specific system to 2 that had different endings/options depending on how you played the game. If you took the pacifist route and only handled enemies non lethally you would gain access to nicer options and more mercy esque story telling beats

the issue is you can't tell me she spares abbie's life after absolutely murdering entire groups of people man

[carmine shale]

Tfw if you buy the pickaxe skin, but don’t get the pickaxe from the event, you got scammed because it’s just unusable content

[fallen fox]

Tell that to neil druckmann
Now his company is crunching for a working demo

[spare socket]

and season 2 of the last of us just opted to take route 3 which was

not adapt the game at all, not fix some of the minor issues the game had with its gameplay conflicting with the story, change everything, piss everyone off with how awkward and bad it was written

[heavy jolt]

BF2042 season 2 US🇺🇸😎

[fallen fox]

Making ellie be the same as season 1

[unkempt light]

Is there a place you can post clips in here? I got a funny clip of me getting hit by a UAV

[hexed cove]

how do I find a squad for BF6 royale?

[spare socket]

no joke she's somehow more annoying than season 1. Season 1 ellie was a bit bratty occasionally but it was like normal child bratty. This season she's like... downright insufferable and it's due to the things the screen writer forces her to do

Some people blame the actress but imma be real you get anyone to say the things written in that script it will always been insufferable.

[fallen fox]

The screenwriters barely played the games so they dont know how to write her

[spare socket]

I think part 2 is soooo close to one of my favorite games of all time man

[fallen fox]

Its exactly like halo

[spare socket]

it was just a smidge away from greatness. It just needed a system where it had unique narrative options tied to how you appraoched the game (ie lethally, nonlethally, or a mix)

[fallen fox]

They fucked it up so 343 have to remake the trilogy again to salvage any reputation they barely had

[granite igloo]

Bf6 in its technical state is annoying, but it’s been the case with every bf in the first year of its life cycle for a decade

[spare socket]

tbh if halo infinite's multiplayer released like 5 years ago the way it is right now without skill based matchmaking in pubs, imo it would have broken the internet with forge alone.

[willow lintel]

#screenshots-and-clips there's a role you need to select to send messages there

[spare socket]

unfortunately 343 fixed a mess they made 5 years too late and it doesn't matter now everyone moved on

[fallen fox]

It should have
But it didnt

Now halo is going to the playstation
And xbox is going down under

Whats the point in buying one anymore

[carmine shale]

Halo is so 2004

[spare socket]

I wouldn't compare the last of us part 2 to halo infinite tho lol.

the former is like... one system small narrative system tied to gameplay away from a perfect game imo

[fallen fox]

small
It was massive at the time

[spare socket]

halo infinite was an absolute mess from development foundation that it had so much technical debt, constantly changing leadership, entire levels and ideas scrapped for the "open world", and the multiplayer releaseing unfinished

[granite igloo]

Visibility is god awful

[fallen fox]

There were riots once the leaks starts dripping

[spare socket]

I like the story in a vacuum I just have to pretend that abbie didn't kill hundreds of people when I played as her

[granite igloo]

Halo infinite would’ve been better if 343 weren’t dumb

[fallen fox]

Not even diverse biomes

[spare socket]

the open world was just a terrible concept it should have never been on the floor

[fallen fox]

They have been dumb since combat evolved anniversary

[spare socket]

it heavily limited what the slip space engine (which is a heavily modified halo ce engine btw) can do

and drastically harmed almost every single thing in production to be scrapped cuz it couldn't be optimized for the xbox one

[granite igloo]

They just need to focus on bugs and not skins

[spare socket]

true

[fallen fox]

Lets just reach the artstyle of the original
What could go wrong

[spare socket]

frankly even on the interiors of empire the white skins are really bad

[granite igloo]

Died behind a wall again

[spare socket]

I wouldn't run them for the winter version of empire tbh when like.... 3 objectives lead to you being a white dot in a non white setting

[granite igloo]

Playing this game is hell for more than an hour is tough

[spare socket]

and most of the power positions frankly

unless you're like proning on the ground or something shizz is always noticeable.

[solar pine]

Dmz mode for battlefield

[granite igloo]

I can’t find one match that isn’t bugged ever

[fallen fox]

Being put in the only snow map pisses me off so much i would rather play the campaign

[granite igloo]

Yeah, they gotta iron out the issues before this game plummets off a cliff

Hit reg and sounds are the big ones they gotta do, someone can run behind you and sound won’t play.

[tribal zodiac]

I will say, the hitreg was absymal yesterday

[spare socket]

I just custom search iberian offensive, mirak, siege of cairo, manhattan bridge, and eastwood for conquest or escalation (I'll put liberation for escalation tbh)

If i'm feeling a lil spicy I'll throw in Blackwell or liberation for tank tomfoolery or Sobek for assault spawn beacon shenanigans

I don't really wanna play operation firestorm or empire anymore. The former I've played for 14 years and the latter is uhhhhhhhhhh.... something

[plain sinew]

dam, thought winter challenges had an extra week but its gone now. yesterday it said 7 days left

[fair charm]

i custom search only maps for helis. except mirak and eastwood. mirak bc those huge buildings just let people designate and lock you from spawn all game. and eastwood bc the entire map turns dark halfway through the match

[spare socket]

I love those huge buildings I get tons of kills on there with my buddy

[torpid heart]

did they change breakthrough balancing? i feel like cairo 2nd sector is nearly impossible now

[spare socket]

east wood probably has one of the best skyboxes for choppers too imo

[analog locust]

@tribal zodiac man that #1 esr kills is always in competition lol

[spare socket]

but in the end the undeniable best attack chopper map is manhattan bridge tbh

like by a metric mile that map sets up the best kill zones for choppers to absolute mow people down on

[tired flower]

Someone take it again?

[tribal zodiac]

You mean the unemployed bot farmer that trades places with me constantly

[spare socket]

D point, C point, B point hell even E and A have great opportunities. but those former 3 funnel people just right

I wish I was a better pilot. I am unfortunately a measely gunner for my superior pilot breathren

[tribal zodiac]

He just sits there playing blackwell fields during off hours so he gets bots, he kills so many bots he constantly gets dropped from the leaderboard

Then he plays other gamemodes with people in them with regular guns until he kills enough actual players to be back on the board

[spare socket]

honestly some of the most insane behavior I have ever heard a player doing in this server

[tribal zodiac]

He seriously plays blackwell fields breakthrough 11 hours a day, every day since launch

and he can barely keep up with me

[granite igloo]

I heard on YouTube some dude resets his game if he gets bad net code matches and it works, I think it might be apart of the memory leak bug

[spare socket]

and I've been harassed by someone who followed me around by copying anything I said and pasting it into chat gpt to be spout out as more spammy, pretentious, and/or racist.

Bro legit made 3 alts and on his third alt constantly reported me which got me muted for a week and I had to make an appeal about the dude

Truly an experience you can only get in the battlefield discord server

[formal forge]

They need to fix matchmaking in this game. I go through like 7 games without winning because my teammates can't pull it together. Needs to be skill based, not random. It's 2025, should have the technology.

[granite igloo]

Skill based would make it worse

[spare socket]

SBMM will likely make the game less social imo. The point of games like battlefield, cod pubs, and halo pubs is a social experience where people screw around.

You can definetly get better at these games and cod and halo have dedicated ranked experiences. But incorporating sbmm especially EOMM (which is what halo infinite and cod now use) really harms pub playlists.

[spare socket]

BF6 also has light sbmm already and redsec has harsher sbmm. It's not extreme but it's a team balancer/mild sbmm system.

[tawny knot]

how do you get the limitless title

[formal forge]

Man I just need 8 wins.

[spare socket]

the only games that really incorporated good sbmm in pubs due to their appeals and scenes are like dota, csgo, chess, and fighting games because those games are designed with direct competition in mind first and foremost as communities

the game already has a team balancer where it weighs a player skill level and tries having another player on the enemy team present to match them on the enemy team

[analog locust]

like 20 kills behind RAZR

[spare socket]

this isn't a perfect system tho and squads of players definetly don't function with it enough cuz comms and coordination drastically alter how a player performs

but that's among the (mostly) random pool of players pulled into the match

in the end if you want sbmm there are tons of games out there to cater to you and games with dedicated ranked experiences for that

[formal forge]

IMO there's too much challenge based progression in BF6. There shouldn't be like 6 different tabs that all have different things. Like you don't need a different set of challenges for an event, weekly challenges is enough.

[spare socket]

bf is fundamentally a positional casual arcade shooter with a huge sandbox designed for screwing around with people across skill levels

idc if I win or lose I care about having fun with my cousins, irl friends, old halo buddies, etc even if some of them suck they shouldn't be pulled into lobbies where they get absolutely stomped and have a miserable experience by being associated with me

[odd ridge]

Even weapons seem a lot to me sometimes to choose from.

[spare socket]

the weapon challenges after the updates are chill imo they're easy to do and in fact make acquiring some poweful guns early easy

mind you I've done all the weapon, class, and unit challenges before they were updated and uhhhhhhhhh

[leaden acorn]

a queue now?

[spare socket]

6000 repairs in a game, 5 squad wipes in 1 game of squad death match, 10k scorein one game of king of the hill, 75 revives in a match, 100 assists in a match, 200 suppresssions with an lmg, 200 200m+ headshots with snipers, etc

[spare socket]

you don't want this. I had to deal with this and regret doing it. A complete waste of time that tanked all my stats

[tribal zodiac]

and fwiw the next time i get on i will be taking the #1 sniper kills spot

[analog locust]

same, but I didn't mind it at all, some of the challenges were obnoxious, like the repairs, but the sniper ones were imho reasonable

[spare socket]

I think in the case of battlefield its sandbox is simply too casual to be ranked. Strategy optimization in battleifield is so extreme with the sandbox and broken that if taken competitievely it loses all luster for how fun it should be treated.

Additionally you don't wanna split your playerbase further with more playlists. If anything dice should reduce the amount of game modes and playlists and make the first 3 things you see:
all out warfare, portal, and custom search the moment you open the game

the game ui is extreme ass and needs fixing to give emphasis to the experiences that deserve more attention

[granite igloo]

Ranked mode in battlefield seems pointless to me

[tribal zodiac]

Just play a different game at that point tbh

[spare socket]

^

[fair charm]

liberation peak, manhattan is good but too small

[analog locust]

it is pointless because netcode is so bad...

[spare socket]

I have my highest kill game ever on manhattan of 200 ish

[willow lintel]

I'm a horrible pilot but I love when I find a good pilot and I can shoot

[fair charm]

great for gunners. but very small so B roof can hit you anywhere on the map, and the enemy heli spawns super close as well

[spare socket]

@fair charm it turns out when your pilot is insane and with the sauce they can use the buildings to force rockets into them like a chad.

also a good gunner will absolutey murder everyone on B tower that thing is often a death site.

the only thing hitting your chopper there is a direct rpg shot unless your pilot isn't good enough

[fair charm]

im a pilot and manhattan is definitely where my gunner eats most. but liberation peak is where I get the most tank kills

[analog locust]

I mean, sniping when not just camping a super specific spot from base can be helpful, like blocking flanks and stopping advances

[spare socket]

totally valid tbh

if you're a better pilot at targeting vehicles liberation is better.

but if you're capable of killing infantry a lot more (which is frankly much harder imo) manhattan is the map man

[quick helm]

ever since they changed the recoil fighting mouse inputs the vector seems really good with the 27 rd mag

or actually, seems really good built without lightened suppressor

[fair charm]

infantry are not harder to kill than vehicles 😭 plus it helps your team way more to hunt vehicles

gunner is for killing infantry. for pilots theyre a waste of rockets tbh

[odd ridge]

I think the winter offensive battle pass was easier to complete than california

[granite igloo]

Yeah

[spare socket]

I'm just saying that among the best pilots in the game manhattan is universally agreed to be the best map to get the highest kill count games on. The current world record for highest kills in bf6 is held by SILK OCE of over 229. The aussie pilots are among the best in the game and all their kill records are on manhattan.

[valid roost]

Because they can hide out of bounds and that map has no AA tho

[spare socket]

true

[amber belfry]

i do not miss them

[spare socket]

if manhattan had an AA that map would be torture

[fair charm]

and he was gunning in that game. manhattan is the best for feeding your gunners

silk gets all his highest kill games as pilot on liberation peak

[valid roost]

The Tanks and IFVs also cant engage them, as there are no sightlines that allow such engagements (Due to limited vertical aim on those vehicles)

[spare socket]

ohhhhh you meant the chopper pilot themselves getting kills. Mb I just view choppers differently lol

I always kinda view it as a team experience. Yes the chopper pilot themsleves killing people is liberation peak for sure

You're totally right in that department mb

I just fundamentally viewed attack choppers more as a team experience so that's my fault and I misunderstood what you were saying specifically.

[valid roost]

Blackwell is just a terrible map all in all. I mainly play conquest, and every single round im forced to play there (Because of squadmates) is torture.

[fair charm]

the chopper is definitely a duo vehicle yeah. in the comp scene choppers are always both a pilot and a gunner team. in public games your gunner is sucking his thumb half the time

[granite igloo]

I think there’s a bug that grenade indicators don’t appear sometimes

[spare socket]

I will only ever enjoy blackwell for 2 things:
1: the most easy tank gunner experiences of all time
2: out of bounds buggy speed boost flanks

it's a horrible map otherwise

[violet sigil]

It might be a hot take (and thats fair) but I do enjoy New Sobek.

[fast reef]

tow missiles are fun to practise on blackwell

[fair charm]

until we get the little bird solo pilots are stuck with these gunners tho

[spare socket]

eastwood has better out of bounds buggy flanks anyways

[valid roost]

Every flag is a fish in a barrel situation, terrlbe POI design, little hard cover and the interior flags are way too small

[violet sigil]

Conquest/Escalation

[spare socket]

it's way way more subtle too with how the hill covers your sight line

[unreal sage]

Sobek apartments should be forever studied as an example of how not to design an area of a map

[fair charm]

tow missiles need to be removed from mbts

[fast reef]

best aa in the game, what u talking about 🤣

[spare socket]

more people imo should take advantage of buggies their ability to speed boost gives them specific out of bounds flanks that are not possible otherwise to back cap with sheer ease

[valid roost]

Buggies on 90% of the maps are irrelivant due to mine spam. IMO they should make Quads, and maybe even the light transports immune to AT mines

But give both less HP in the MP. 1 RPG to destroy vs 2 now

[fast reef]

only issue with that is they will have kamakazi runs too easy

[violet sigil]

Nah, people only really put those on main areas (in my experience) just take ‘em offroad

[crimson garden]

Penguin big question: ''Deal Damage While in Heat zone'' Does that make it necessary for the player to be in the heat zone? Or would it still count if enemy runs into your Claymore while in heatzone?

The challenge isn't a problem anyway, but curious about how it functions.

[spare socket]

I can't speak for breakthrough personally. I rarely play that mode as it's not my cup of tea.

But for conquest mirak, manhattan bridge, cairo, iberian offensive, and eastwood are peak.

For escalation manhattan bridge, cairo, iberain, liberation peak, and mirak (only with a squad for mirak specifically to rotate the middle two points) are great imo

[hearty kelp]

This is what I've been saying too. Jeep 50 cals are worthless when mines are literally everywhere

[valid roost]

Shoot someone, or damage them while next to a fire can

[plain sinew]

i see buggies inc, i see easy kills

[spare socket]

cairo is imo one of the most iconic cqc maps made in bf history

[hearty kelp]

You can shoot out the occupants so easily not to mention RPG them, which everyone carries

jeeps should be awesome hit and run vehicles but with mines existing they're worthless

[unreal sage]

I do wish jeeps had more soft armor

[spare socket]

and overall the best map in the game even if I like manhattan bridge escalation or mirak conquest a bit more

[violet sigil]

I think some tiny tweaks are reasonable, but I tend to agree

[valid roost]

I never even see players use the light ground transports past round start for flag rushing. Players know too well that its suicide and youll die to mines

[hearty kelp]

like I mean it when I say jeep insurgent runs are so amazingly fun until you hit a stack of mines

it has SO MUCH potential but the mines hold it back completely

[valid roost]

Iberian played much better in beta when there were no AT mines(Only th emotion triggered mines), and you could actually use the light transports

[spare socket]

players are also really dumb and use roads instead of out of bounds areas and terrain

[tribal zodiac]

Eastwood breakthrough has.... issues if you're defending

[hearty kelp]

YES holy shit I loved that period

[violet sigil]

Bring a spec ops recon. They can see enemy gadgets

[fast reef]

its not hard to dodge mines, they are pretty obvious, also players who leave everyone behind in jeep to stop at A should be punished, the whole point of the speed gap is to make it to C first

[valid roost]

90% of the maps only have roads. Only 3 dont

[spare socket]

yeah I really can't comment on breakthrough it would just be disingenous as I don't have enough experience

[unreal sage]

Yeah I really coukd play cairo 24:7

manhattan is really rooftoppy like sobek but once you realize all rooftops can be destroyed by tanks its so much more fun

[spare socket]

uhhhhhh not all the roofs can be destroyed on sobek lol

[fast reef]

infantry can jump out along the way to cap flags, but the point of a fast vehicle is to get to the mid way point asap

[spare socket]

even if you break some of the ones that are breakable the remaining terrain is still a valid position to camp on

[tribal zodiac]

This and this #battlefield-6 message

[unreal sage]

That's why i prefer manhattan

[valid roost]

You have no offroad options on maps like Manhattan, cairo, Iberian, even eastwood and Sobek to an extent

[unreal sage]

Sobek roofs are impervious and thats one of many reasons that map is atrocious

[maiden thunder]

love cairo

[fair charm]

u actually bought it at the highest price itll ever be

[hearty kelp]

I'm not gonna lie, if I had ONE good niche in this game that wasn't sniping I'd play the shit out of it

[amber belfry]

battlefield 6 is my favorite modern fps from the last 10 years

[fair charm]

the price can only go down after launch. itll be way cheaper in a year

[hearty kelp]

jeeps gotta be immune to AT mines

[amber belfry]

plus all maps are free and not tied behind premium now

[hearty kelp]

at minimum, the big ones shouldn't detect it

[unreal sage]

Yeah i pivoted pretty hard into souls likes after bf1/halo infinite

Haven't cone back till bf6 except a lil halo with the bros here and there

[fair charm]

i agree hopefully but DICE may surprise us

[amber belfry]

this game can fully nomanssky / cp2077 itself

[spare socket]

if I had to personally rank the maps in the game for conquest specifically it would be:

S: cairo, manhattan, mirak, iberian offensive, eastwood
B: liberation peak and operation firestorm
C: empire state
F: blackwell fields and sobek (the former is much improved if you're a tank player and the latter if you're an assault with ladder+spawn beacon who switches the ladder to a grenade launcher+breacher path+frag grenades to utility dump 5 grenades constantly in the back line once the spawn beacon is placed in an inaccessible area)

[analog locust]

conquest and escalation are quite an iteresting beast to be honest, I PTO a lot, but whenever I can and won't mindlessly go into 10 people defending the objective, I'll clear the point from a distance, block other attacks, etc. I have about 30% objective time on both escalation and conquest, but idk, I still can't make a bad team win if the enemy team is half decent

[spare socket]

key word conquest specifically

[fair charm]

people hate on the battlepass stuff but id way rather have to pay for optional cosmetics than new content like in old bfs

[amber belfry]

id swap mirak with liberation and knock down eastwood to C. overrated map imo

[violet sigil]

Not to a good sniper they aren’t

[green wave]

read that as emotional triggered mines ..which was accurate with how rage inducing they were

[amber belfry]

whats the worst gun in the game rn wanna handicap myself. might aswell get the worst grind out the way before i finish all the carbines to lvl50

[valid roost]

You know I can see your stats, right?

[spare socket]

I almost wanna put liberation in a lower tier that map emphasizes how badly balanced the snipers are and is the second map I have the most steam rolls on.

I have the most steam rolls on sobek and liberation peak and both of those maps are also the only maps in the game that make me play assault with spawn beacon with my friends because the way the traversal of those maps is set ups is ass in my opinion

[analog locust]

If they have clueless people on the roofs I go 40+ just casually

[unreal sage]

Unfortunately its a brand new dice, kinda like bungie is no longer the same company that made halo reach

We'll probably never reach the heights again but i am still a fan for better or worse

[spare socket]

liberation peak is much improved in escalation btw since the compressed zones make sniping less viable and demote camping

[violet sigil]

Eaxctly

[devout kettle]

how do i fix chat not working?

[analog locust]

still loads of base campers

[unreal sage]

That's the problem, you need to either be a sniper or a tanker or in a helo

[valid roost]

What you just said isnt true, you have next to no kills or time in that vehicle

[violet sigil]

Nah, even a good rpg will discourage them

[spare socket]

you can't camp the base after the first cap in escalation the sniper hill at point F in conquest is no longer there

[amber belfry]

until they added bloom to it

[spare socket]

btw are you a chopper player?

[unreal sage]

I think putting any maps in the same tier as cairo is generous tbh

[violet sigil]

I still find it pretty easy to use

[muted summit]

Being able to blast Domination by pantera in vehicles with the pro radio is so sick!!!!!! Rocking out while taking a rocket to the face!!!

[unreal sage]

Then they pop back out and headshot you

[amber belfry]

not really, ive had like a 28k run in a heli and then my game crashed.

[granite igloo]

Snipers are cheese

[spare socket]

I've noticed a trend that chopper and sniper players prefer liberation peak. Hence why I asked. I use the whole entire sandbox so my opinion is a bit different.

[violet sigil]

I’ve had so many snipers stand back up to shoot at me and get domed by said rpg

[valid roost]

The RPG spread thing must be a bug. It doesnt consistently happen

[analog locust]

you'll be surprised how many just roll back there

[granite igloo]

The Velocity makes them so strong

[muted summit]

I love all the maps in the attack heli found a random blueberry gunner yesterday went 47-0 he went 65-0 wild match

[amber belfry]

its for sure not functioning as intended. i love it when my 20m rpg misses thanks to bloom

[valid roost]

Na, I was bluffing in hopes that you'd out yourself. (It worked)

[tribal zodiac]

I have my doubts about a sniper nerf because of how bad the average recon player is atp

[muted summit]

Absolutely hate seeing attack helis with only the pilot and no gunner complete waste of a heli

[violet sigil]

Wonderful pro gamer move

[spare socket]

i'm genuinely surprised tbh. Liberation imo has some of the most awkward verticality with that center mountain, is a bit too compressed for my liking, and should widen and lengthen the map to add an additional capture point inside the mountain.

The mountain should have an underpass imo with a military base inside to provide a section for infantry fighting that avoids tanks and snipers similar to mirak. The best part about said mountain underpass military base is it would give means to get across the map safely avoiding all the nonsense on the outside.

Mirak has this it also has a natural means of elevation with the B point ziplines which if i had to change anything about mirak it would be to make it so the D pont also had its own large tower with ziplines and to have each point have 4 zips to give more options up. This elevation gives infantry a chute angle across the map.

[unreal sage]

100% agree

That map feels so unpolished despite initially being one of my favorites

I barely play it anymore

[valid roost]

All of the maps have issues that could be solved with some minor reworks. but historically DICE donbt do this

[opaque rampart]

Blood Gulch breakthrough

[spare socket]

it's a map I liked in the beta but the more I played it the cracks started to show and I realized how important a dedicated area that benefits infantry akin to how mirak has points D and B is

[valid roost]

Like Iberian NEEDS a sightline blocker between C, A and B.

[analog locust]

ironically for some reason the rpg is more powerful at passing through leaves and railings and other clutter than the sniper bullets, like you can easily rpg snipe someone through most bushes and railing on eastwood without any issues, unlike the sniper bullets which get stuck...I was of half a mind to switch from sniper to rpg

[valid roost]

Its completely insane that one team can cap C and use it to snipe into the other teams HQ and the flags that are meant to be their gimmes

[reef bolt]

they should just make every map completely flat with no cover at all

[violet sigil]

Holy hot take

[unreal sage]

Yeah the mountain needs to be cleaned up to make the sniper areas more traversable and also more obvious to countersnipers without having to memorize the entire mountain from every external angle

There's also invisible walls that make countersniping miserable

[spare socket]

oh you mean to cross the street? I get what you mean tbh but that street is meant for tanks to cross you can't block the path. Smokes are the main means across imo other than that you have to go to the thinner sections of the road pass to reduce the travel time or just gamble across

like if you block that path tanks functionally can't get across there. There's already an indestuctible truck on one side anyways that leads into a building

[valid roost]

nono, I mean that open area between B and C, needs a stone structure which blocks direct sight

[heady gale]

Ooo I just hit a 6.5 player KD