battlefield-6

[tall zinc]

theoretically it's possible I suppose though would be weird

Helldivers is a pve game not PvP

[broken cedar]

Sounds more like Planetside

[smoky tulip]

Yeah, the person said make a PVE mode because BF already possesses the framework for team play

[tall zinc]

ehh doubt it'd work tbh

2042 already tried pve modes and they all almost sucked

[smoky tulip]

The AI in 2042 is terrible compared to CoD MW2. If they can fix the AI it could be interesting.

[tall zinc]

HD is a very specific type of game and the pve element is just one thing where the entire game is revolved around it, it's not really practical you could make a Helldivers esque thing in a battlefield game

the entire loop from dropping into missions to leaving and going to different planets is to give the impression of a war against the automatons/bugs/illuminate and where the player is expendable

[smoky tulip]

Expendable you say.... maybe a good mode for... wait for it... BF Bad Company 3!

[broken cedar]

if they hit it good with 6

then it might be time for a crack at Bad Company after that

[tall zinc]

doubt it

[brittle grove]

where can i post pictures?

[tall zinc]

you cant

[brittle grove]

😐

[smoky tulip]

I have played and enjoyed every battlefield game since 1942, with the exception of 2142 (didn't play it due to not having a PC at the time) and 2042 (garbage)

So Im hopeful that BF6 gets this right

[tall zinc]

BC/battlefield 3/4 are quite different games, I'd hazard most of the playerbase who are wanting 3 or 4 have not even touched bc1 or 2

[brittle grove]

i have a question

in bf6 concept art there’s the pictures of the tanks rolling across the golf course but looking at the images and gameplay we’ve seen there is no map like that?

also the rhib boat in the cracked canal

[tall zinc]

yeah cause not all the maps have been shown yet

it's just concept art, that's what it's there for, to show concepts, not things reflective material in game

[smoky tulip]

I wasn't a huge fan of BFBC1, but I didn't play it much because I was serving in the military then and didn't have much time on my hands. I loved BFBC2. I loved BF3 and BF4.

[tall zinc]

most of the time they are implemented in a game but that's not guaranteed

[broken cedar]

I went back and played BFBC2 in 2020

campaign was fire

[brittle grove]

that would be like damn cuz that picture is so fkn badass

[smoky tulip]

Supposedly the golf course will be featured in the campaign and possibly the Battle Royale map.

[brittle grove]

cool

can we talk abt leaks here

[tall zinc]

read the rules before doing so

[brittle grove]

ok

[smoky tulip]

I think we are in for a lot of surprises over the next few weeks as the release gets closer. The marketing for this game has been very well done, almost Rockstar levels of anticipation.

[brittle grove]

that br map that has been circulating tht golf course is like 2 holes 😭

[brittle grove]

i hope so

my biggest concern:
bf portal will be same fate as 2042

[smoky tulip]

I wouldnt worry too much about it. If it looks like that when EA officially shares their BR map then we can panic. I'm giving them the benefit of doubt right now. They're cooking.

[smoky tulip]

I would be lying if I said that wasn't a concern of mine, but there are few things that give me hope. Arma Reforger has provided console gamers a lot of flexibility and creativity in Game Master. Seeing what EA has shared so far, they are gravitating towards the play having more tools which will likely give that mode more interest and long term replayability.

[tall zinc]

one caveat here

[brittle grove]

that’s fair i think the image was fan made but i am a bit bummed from what i’ve heard it’s more of a fictional LA than like sunset boulevard

[tall zinc]

the portal creator for Godot looked like it was a wrapper via the desktop, so console users probably can't make them anyways

[smoky tulip]

This is true. Even GameMaster in Arma Reforger had limitations for console. However, the PC fan base has churned out some amazing game modes and mods. Likely not getting mods, but that is fine.

[brittle grove]

more tools are great 2042 was extremely lackluster but i’d hate to click portal and seeing servers with 14/64 players again

[smoky tulip]

My biggest disappointment concerning Portal in 2042 was it was a shell of the mode EA advertised. It was heavily implied that customization between eras was going to be present. BF3 skins having BF1942 weapons and BFBC2 vehicles for example.

[tall zinc]

I was very skeptical of a portal mode anyways tbh and would have preferred it wasn't done after 2042 but eh we'll see

[craggy tapir]

Imo the new portal shouldn’t even be called portal. It doesn’t resemble the old portal at all and is more akin to Halo’s forge mode

[brittle grove]

yes but what if it’s the same story again? all i’ve seen is building ramps with cars falling and a lot of jets but what if that’s the most you can do? i haven’t seen any terrain generation yet but i might’ve missed something

[craggy tapir]

Terrain manipulation has been soft confirmed

[tall zinc]

it has?

[safe gyro]

im glad i can use a rpg and surface to air missile at the same time. it suxs having to switch it out all the time in bf2042.

[craggy tapir]

In the pc trailer (at least I think it was the pc trailer) there was a tool shown for a second or so that is named like a typical terrain editing tool

[smoky tulip]

I agree 100%. My pre-order is dependent on Portal. Right now they havent shared enough. I want Portal as it was supposed to be. I want it to be a true BF playground that expanded assets from previous games and had no barriers to those assets. I want to mix and match and create. You can't truly create in Portal 2042.

[tall zinc]

oh damn well if that's the case then maybe it can work after all

[brittle grove]

a deeper dive trailer would be great

[smoky tulip]

It reminded me of Arma Reforger's Game Master. When EA confirmed AI scripting it made me think of that even more so.

[tall zinc]

I still have large question marks over the campaign as it stands but eh oh well

[signal jetty]

They should change it

[broken cedar]

BF has never really been a campaign-heavy game, even though I've played all of them

[tall zinc]

yeah they all suck in one form or another

I was in here a few days ago ranting about battlefield 3 and 4s

[signal jetty]

Looks like we will understand the situations that happen in multiplayer

[winged marten]

Shhh don't let the august/sep 2025 joinee cod kiddies get mad

[tall zinc]

nah

[signal jetty]

Just what makes sense to me

[tall zinc]

they have shown, glimpses of it, the trailer with the president is the core part around the campaign story

just there's been little to none outside of that

[craggy tapir]

HL’s is the only good campaign I’ve played. Heard 3’s was good tho

4 feels like you have only played 2/3 of the campaign when you finish

The war stories of 1 and V are pretty good, though they aren’t true campaigns

[tall zinc]

3s is terrible tldr

id have to say it's the worst so called campaign in the entire franchise

[craggy tapir]

Kinda funny that (imo) the best campaign wasn’t made by dice

That’s probably what’s going to save 6’s campaign tbh. Just keep dice out of story decisions

[tall zinc]

pretty much

[little estuary]

have you played the portal mode yet if I may ask?

[smoky tulip]

I played BF3s campaign because it released a week before full release. It was the same for BF4, but it had weapons you could only unlock by playing the campaign like the M249

[smoky tulip]

New or old?

[little estuary]

bf6 portal mode

[brittle grove]

no why

[little estuary]

ah, then nvm

[brittle grove]

i’m basing my assumptions of what we’ve seen in trailers

not even an assumption more of a concern

[broken cedar]

damn going back to BF1 and apparently I must have played on xbox and not PC or something, because my account's fresh

[little estuary]

that's alright, I played the mode, I think we are in for a good time, gameplay wise

[tawdry juniper]

after I finish the 2042 pass what do I even do? go back to ravenfield?

[brittle grove]

that’s good to know. i was worried it’d just be climb a tower or shoot a bunch of jets for the preset game modes

[little estuary]

well

the foundation and possibilities are there, and really good. but we will still have to see what they will give us

[brittle grove]

🙏

open the gates

[tawdry juniper]

if they eventually give us the ability to create our own maps (from an empty template or from the ground up with a terrain generator) I will get every microtransaction and consume so much

[steep gull]

I enjoy campaigns :(

[broken cedar]

same

But it's just never been the focus of the series

[stable remnant]

"POWERFUL CREATOR TOOLS:
Includes Spatial Editing (map/geo editing),"

If that doesn't mean terrain deformation they need to be taken outside and shot

[little estuary]

yeah that is the quesiton what they will give us. if we get full acces and possibilities for portal, we will have infinite options to creat anything

[tawdry juniper]

it doesn't

You can edit some of the objects and props in the world, but you can't edit the actual base of the map, not much of it anyways

[stable remnant]

I assume not. Otherwise it would have been shown already

[kind snow]

Practice flying to be ready for bf6

[brittle grove]

i thought 2042 would give us it all 😔 but if they are confident in what they’re giving us i’m hoping they’ll drop a more deep dive

[tawdry juniper]

I hope they eventually look into giving us more freedoms like being able to completely change hte map, though this is already leagues ahead of 2042

[stable remnant]

But the way they word it..

[little estuary]

how exactly do we know that?

[tawdry juniper]

godot screenshots

[little estuary]

bc didn't they say they will give people the option to create custom gamemodes, maps etc etc

[little estuary]

what screenshots?

[stable remnant]

It's very sneaky wording if terrain deformation isn't there.

[brittle grove]

imo they would’ve shown player made maps if that was coming

[stable remnant]

But I don't expect it

[little estuary]

I do assume we will be able to create maps from scratch, but I have no way of knowing. I just assume it will be something like fortnite map creation or something

[tawdry juniper]

geometry doesn't refer to the base of the map, it is just a generic term

[stable remnant]

I know.

[tawdry juniper]

i just hope we can do modes like zombie escape

[stable remnant]

Still...sneaky prawns

[tawdry juniper]

it is map editing and not map creation to be fair

[tawdry juniper]

custom gamemodes yes, custom maps.. sort of

[little estuary]

I think that is good enough?

[tawdry juniper]

it is way better than 2042

[stable remnant]

Farcry on the Xbox 360 had terrain editing. Can't be too hard to add 1 sculpt tool Dice.

[tawdry juniper]

it would be nice if they could at the very least create some blank and empty maps as a base

[little estuary]

but this is battlefield and not farcry

[stable remnant]

and this is20 years later too

[little estuary]

age of empire in idfk, 1900 had terrain editing, it's not about possibilities, it's about giving people the options

[tawdry juniper]

far cry is also a single player game

[little estuary]

it's not bc they can't, it's bc they don't want to (if they really don't give us the option)

which we do not even know

[stable remnant]

Map editor was for multiplayer

[tawdry juniper]

dang

uhhh

[little estuary]

like be fr, poeple will always complain about every little detail just for the sake of complaining xD

[stable remnant]

That's not true

[steep gull]

True

[little estuary]

it is true xD

[stable remnant]

No it's not

[little estuary]

it is, there will always be people to complain, no matter what haha

[stable remnant]

Anyway boys. Goodnight. Have a good'un

[little estuary]

bye bye 👋

[steep gull]

Though the standard has been set, games should have a campaign if they've had a campaign for years, if it doesn't, the gameplay should be impeccable (but BF2042 and Black ops 4 didn't and they both didn't do great or just flopped)

[winged light]

Does anyone know if the camo patterns of our soldier skins will be customizable?

[little estuary]

ngl

campaign is for me atleast, a must have. even if it isn't a lore masterpiece, atleast something to experience is always important to me atleast

I was very pleased about the bf4 campaign, despite it "not being good" it was fun to play and enjoyable

[broken cedar]

ffs someone deal with the spammer please

[brittle grove]

what does dm mean

DM

[broken cedar]

direct message

[winged light]

Does anyone know if the camo pattern on your soldier will be change able

[civic herald]

MODSS

[weary horizon]

Is there no way to ping moderators?

[gentle harbor]

why do you need to ping mods?

[tardy geyser]

Any bf gamers from Belgium

[spiral pelican]

How do you expect EA to sell DLC maps if we could create our own? They learned way back during BF2 that if you give tools to people to create maps, then it will hurt DLC map sales.

[hard ravine]

That's not why. Look at Reforger, it's main selling point is that it's moddable.

[spare socket]

they're not selling dlc for bf6 they're selling skins

maps, weapons, and modes will be post launch content in free updates

one such map has already leaked for season 1. Along with more weapons than the 44 already planned for launch

[hard ravine]

I honestly wish they'd go back to the old days of releasing expansion DLC. I'd pay $20 for installments of DLC like Back to Karkand, Aftermath, ect

[spare socket]

they're generally trying to sell skins with their post launch model and free br mode

[spiral pelican]

Not comparing publicly traded EA slop to Bohemia 💀

[spare socket]

I think bf6's dlc model might be what I'm fine with if it's akin to titanfall 2

the lead of battlefield 6 is the legendary vince zampella

[spiral pelican]

Yeah yeah ill believe it when I see it in action

[hard ravine]

I think the biggest reason is they don't want a game to last longer than they want it to. If BF6 has all those modding tools, nobody gonna wanna get BF7 right away.

If you could have created maps and guns in MW2019, nobody would have really bought anything that's come after that lol

[spiral pelican]

Dice imagining bankruptcy at the thought of BF1 modder tools

[hard ravine]

BF1 is good lol. I'd be worried too. I mean, besides this BF6 grind, BF1 and BFV had more players than 2042 lol

[spare socket]

who if you don't know:
-was the game lead of medal of honor allied assault with help from steven spielberg and his friend Jason west
-was the game lead with Jason west for every cod until MW2 (2009)
-helped with badcompany 2's development with devs from his studio infinityward significantly
-was fired from activision from his own Studio for giving his employees a second job at DICE temporarily since activision got greedy and didn't give employee bonuses for mw2 2009 despite it being the most successful cod (they gave them for every other COD)
-made respawn and most of infinity ward's veteran devs and talent left to make titanfall 1 as a double A studio
-Sold to EA for 400 million and made Titanfall 2, apex (at launch which EA ruined post launch after 2022 when a contract clause ended), and the jedi games

[spiral pelican]

Yep bf1 led the charts for years in many stints, its own peak, during bfv’s falloff, during 2042’s falloff and the road to bf6 beta. If it had mod tools to the extent of turning it modern, than there would be little reason to purchase a new bf

[spare socket]

for context the game lead of 2042 was the game lead of candy crush mobile and most of the veteran devs of dice left after bf5 due to executive decisions ruining creative freedom

they wanted a yes man for that game to approve every executive decision no matter how destructive or unsustainable to the game it was

[sweet lily]

that explains a lot

[spare socket]

atop this 2042 tried to do a frostbite engine update which they hadn't done a major one since 2016. After the majority of the veterans left newbies had to figure out and update the engine without experience with it.

[sweet lily]

indeed

[spiral pelican]

the idea of applying successes of apex into bf worries alot of legacy bf players tbh otherwise his resume is stronk

[spare socket]

there's a LOT of reasons 2042 failed. I could go into the leasing system (they had to lease systems from microsoft and sony to remotely stream the OSs of the ps4, xbox one, series x, and ps5 from home leading to various builds of the game that had to be stitched together), the issues with handling the xbox one and ps4 OS, how covid harmed plans even further, the fact EA executives thought they were ahead of schedule based on flipping concept art and not the actual game so they didn't delay or give time to breathe, the fact the game only had 1 year and 3 months of post production development which led to an all hands on deck situation that had employees from battlefront 2 and battlefield 5 removed from making post launch content to work on 2042.

also the fact the game went from a br, to a hero shooter, to an extraction shooter thanks to a lap dog approving every single executive decision no matter how destructive it was to the production cycle

[sweet lily]

2042 feels like if someone with exeptional skills made a battlefield experience in fortnite with the UE editor

[spare socket]

it's not even close that would actually be better

in fact hold up I can provide a visual example of this being better

[sweet lily]

Just like some skilled induvidials made a classic COD experience on Roblox

It's amazing to see what people are capable of

[spare socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWUpnQLmgyk&t=585s&pp=ygUJZXhvIG1lY2hh

this is one developer (he got like 4 other people in the last few years) who has been making the same indie game for 9+years on unreal

[sweet lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1_bR_qbwAU

here is the cod thig

[glacial tinsel]

I really hope we get a Star Wars battlefront 2 battle pass for BF6 since EA have made both

[spare socket]

that shizz isn't happening

[sweet lily]

I like crazy skins like some of the COD skins that actually fits Trayarch's universe, and the robotic skins in 2042, but BF6 gotta be careful with skins. In my opinion, skins can never got too far, as long as they fit the narrative of the game itself

[glacial tinsel]

I think it will for year 2

[spare socket]

For context Apex after 2022 went down hill for a few reasons.

-Vince completely left the project
-EA along side the 400 million dollar merger was contractually obligated to give 140 million dollars of bonuses to respawn employees. This made firing or threatening to fire respawn devs hard cuz doing so meant having to pay them the bonuses without using the bonus cut as leave
-after the bonuses ended EA has since railed apex's monetization
-recently they cancelled titanfall 3 which was set to release late 2026 to early 2027 and fired 100 employees at respawn and a total of 400 employees at EA to please shareholders

[sweet lily]

If we got a new BF2142 ish game, then star wars crossovers would be alright

[glacial tinsel]

It makes sense when you think about it

[sweet lily]

I actually enjoyed the crossover skins they provided for 2042

[spare socket]

I would just save the cross over for like a futuristic battlefield akin to 2142. EA might even try battlefront 3 with the clamoring for it, considering the battlefront 2 resurgence.

[sweet lily]

Dead Space for example. Robot skins are cool too

[glacial tinsel]

I want to run around as Darth Vader whilst reviving people as a medic

[sweet lily]

hahah

[spare socket]

it doesn't really fit the aesthetic of this game tbh

another game, perhaps

[sweet lily]

What? Never seen darth vader on the battlefield?

Heard he is in the US army now

[spare socket]

at some point compromising aesthetic for a quick buck can ruin a game's IP reputation looks at cod

[spiral pelican]

give me a tldr fr

[spare socket]

that is the tldr in bullet points

[spare socket]

just skip bullet point 2 it's the longest (though somewhat important)

[spiral pelican]

so basically ea

[spare socket]

long story short, yeah. Just specific reasons for EA railage

[sweet lily]

Perhaps we could get a LABUBU skin for them recons hiding in the bushes with big smiles

[spiral pelican]

battlefront 3 before allat frfr

[spare socket]

bf 2142 is based tbh. It just performed bad cuz it released at the wrong time

[spiral pelican]

nah it was just mid

[sweet lily]

No man I've wanted a 2142 game for a while, always though it looked amazing and DICE always just teased ut afterwards with DLC's for BF3 and BF4 hinting to 2142'

[spare socket]

not really it designed its entire sandbox around the titan game mode (which was revolutionary and promptly abandoned due to the fact the game only sold 220k copies)

this is like saying bad company 2 is mid because its sandbox was built for rush

[sweet lily]

It's about time they stopped hinting and actually gave us that experience again, even if it happens to be a smaller filler game like Hardline

[spiral pelican]

2142 was a mid game AT BEST and realistically SUCKED lol did u play?

[crimson gate]

Praying for bad company 3 or 2143 for the next game

[spare socket]

i play it to this day

there's literally a mod community to play it today

[spiral pelican]

yeah see ur opinion is irrelevant because that game is ass

[spare socket]

do you know what the titan game mode is

[spiral pelican]

i just remember 2142 being horrible and playing bf2 mods instead until 3 came out

[sweet lily]

Thats maybe the strangest part, how it seems universal to anyone who played the titan mode, that it's the best mode DICE ever made. I believe them after I saw how good it looked, but it's insane how they never brought it back

[spare socket]

then your opinion is likely invalid because you likely didn't play the flagship reason the game existed and still has a dedicated playerbase

[spiral pelican]

Wrong.

[crimson gate]

They kinda brought it back in 4 with carrier assault but it wasn’t quite the same

[spiral pelican]

2142 was not a good game

[spare socket]

not even close shizz was so mid

[spare socket]

did you like carrier assault in bf4?

[sweet lily]

The titan mode made conquest look like domination from cod on nuketown or something else small

[spare socket]

if you did you liked a worse version of 2142 in every single way.

[sweet lily]

hats a good point

[spiral pelican]

it was a decent mode idk been a while

[spare socket]

I think your lack of memory might be deceiving you

if you don't even know what titan mode is I doubt you fully experienced the game

[sweet lily]

I also believe 2142 failed for the same reason as Hardline. They were filler games, that came out while the previous game were still going stong

[spiral pelican]

yeah 2142 was definitely ass and bf2 was way better during that time until 3

[sweet lily]

Had they released as actual titles, I bet thing would have looked better for them both

[gentle harbor]

Gotta tell you chump, its not happening.

maybe 2143, but bad company 3 would only come out if it's the end of the BATTLEFIELD franchise and they had one last shot.

[spiral pelican]

what made 2142 ass was maps were cooked and the weapons were just dookie

[spare socket]

the same battlefield game with open as hell maps, hit scan sniping, and the strongest aerial vehicles in the series

Battlefield 2 is an arcadey product of its time that I respect and love but in no way could it be released in the modern era

it's in fact notable how any remaster of battlefield 2's maps have to make significant changes to the map design to function in the modern era without it being open fields of death

with like 2 exceptions

[spiral pelican]

cant name 2 other good games with projectile velocity bullets in 2004 tho

not gonna defend hitscan but lets not act like there was other options

[spare socket]

that's not my point tbf. I'm saying it's a product of its time

[sweet lily]

I guess this is the reason why I'm the only one, not mad at EA's idea to make Battlefield annualy MAYBE THEN would they have balls enough to bring back these smaller titles like 2142, hardline, bad company, instead of keeping it safe every 4th year because a fail would be to catastrophic

[spiral pelican]

these aspects may be disliked “nowadays” but the game was good

[sweet lily]

It all coems down to execution I guess

[spiral pelican]

UNLIKE ASS 2142 WHICH SUCKED

[spare socket]

the game was good for its time. It's like me going up to someone and saying borderlands is better than borderlands 2

[spiral pelican]

2142 wasnt good ur missing this key point (it was not good)

[spare socket]

how old were you when you played 2142?

[spiral pelican]

who in their right mind loads up 2142 in 2025 💀

[spare socket]

me ☠️

[spiral pelican]

shiiiit like 10 Maybe

[spare socket]

well no doy your child brain couldn't comprehend jack

[spiral pelican]

hell nah bruh i was on arma 2 the next year

but yeah 2142 was ASS and not good because maps and guns suck and just weird

[spare socket]

arma is cool. But I'm not gonna act like it's better designed that battlefield.

Arma's focus on realism leads to a lack of good game design.

[sweet lily]

To be fair, most people who were adult and played 2142 at its time, do seem to want it back

[spare socket]

real

[sweet lily]

would be nice to see more fun games that were not afraid to fail sometimes

[spare socket]

if you were at least like 14-21 playing 2142 you loved that game most likely

[spiral pelican]

u cant say i was too skill issue to appreciate 2142 if i appreciated bf2 while being a skill issued 8 year old fym

[sweet lily]

too many games now adays have huge budgets and long developement time, which makes them less likely to take risks. All because of publishers, investors and what ever else

[spare socket]

2142 was way more complicated than bf2 bruh.
The map design wasn't open, the air vehicles and vehicles in general weren't op, there was laser drop, etc

[spiral pelican]

acting like i couldnt tell which game was good as a young jit 💀

[spare socket]

the fact lasers had more bullet drop than bullets in battlefield 2 is saying something

☠️

[gentle harbor]

Guys guys... Every Battlefield has a Hardline

[spiral pelican]

it didnt matter because the 32v gameplay with vehicles was dank

unlike ass 2142

[sweet lily]

https://tenor.com/view/rumble-wwf-fight-michael-buffer-announcement-gif-5453432

[spiral pelican]

2 was way better than bf2142 and 2142 was also an ass game on god no cap frfr

[tidal hound]

I will be a martyr and end the argument.
BF4 is worse than both of them.

[spare socket]

32 player matches with good map design, bullet drop, mechs, a better squad system, and literal flying titans in the sky that required you to aim missle systems at them via capture points and breach their shield to either

A: continue shooting missile systems at them
B: invade the ship with your only spawns into the ship being your commander. You had to breach various parts of the ship to reach the generator and blow it up. Then get the hell out for a bonus before it exploded.

[spare socket]

bf4 at launch? Sure buggy mess. Also a lot of the maps only favored large scale gameplay with only a few of the launch maps like parcel storm and siege of shangahi being goated

bf4 with dlc? no way

[spiral pelican]

ass

you are forgetting that the game sucked bro

[spare socket]

https://youtu.be/_UvGLWwP488?si=AlUHVoni_yPeTqZi watch this

[spiral pelican]

the mech was jank

[spare socket]

if you dislike the game after seeing at least a retrospective on the game and seeing the gameplay with your own eyes today

then I can't really change your opinion

[spiral pelican]

its literally not a good game the gameplay was ass the maps were ass the vehicles were ass

nothing could convince you of this truth?

[spare socket]

if you watch the video I'll take your opinion seriously you were 10

I can't take you seriously if your opinion is based on being 10

not to say being a child entirely invalidates opinions

[spiral pelican]

Watch your tone unc my bad i wasnt 40 in 2006

[spare socket]

brother I'm 22 I just played the game when I was 16 using mods

I'm younger than you "unc"

I think

[spiral pelican]

buddy bf2 modded was superior 🤦🏽‍♂️ you wouldnt know about it youngbuck

[sweet lily]

Absolute Cinema

[spare socket]

brother I literally played that shizz when I was 18

[spiral pelican]

It’s ass now fym

[spare socket]

it doesn't detract from its design issues. But I do respect it as a product of its time

[spare socket]

it's ass because people got good at playing games

[sweet lily]

If you guys could keep this up until BF6 launhc, time will go by much faster. I'm sure

[spiral pelican]

Buddy your judging it from 2018 🤡

[kind snow]

Your on thin ice pal, it was very good back in the day

[spare socket]

I'm studying for a 6 hour exam on my other monitor so i'm not really wasting my time tbh

[spare socket]

I fully respect battlefield 2. I love it as a product of its time akin to how I love borderlands

[sweet lily]

I think you are pasting your study text in the wrong chat box though

[spiral pelican]

No kid you are disputing that bf2142 was better than bf2 during the run up to bf3 which is not true 🤡

2142 was ass 😂

Youngbuck wouldn’t know about bf2 modded days

[sweet lily]

Seems like all your research is going to dicsocrd instead on word or whatever you use

[spare socket]

I'm listening to a video lecture

[spiral pelican]

Watch your tone

[sweet lily]

Aslo I think you are wasting time. Since you brought that up

[gentle harbor]

You gotta draw a HARDLINE with that tone.

Unless you want people punching u back to 2015.

[spiral pelican]

I’m setting this youngbuck straight, bf2142 was ass, by the time you played it bf1 was out, bf2 was superior in the time 💯

[spare socket]

But to say hit scan snipers, the most op vehicles in the series (notably air vehicles), very open map design (excluding karkand and jalabad), and some questionable sandbox choices can be done in the modern day is crazy.

it's a great game I have full respect for but it's not a game you could do again today with how experienced players and the overall player base has gotten.

[spiral pelican]

Youngbuck was suckling on his momma when bf3 beta was online 😱

[sweet lily]

hahaha jesus

[slender epoch]

Dice make it easy for more than 4 friends to find each other in a server!!!

[spiral pelican]

Youngjitlingbuck, you think 2142 had better maps? 😂😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[spare socket]

Brother I was reading flipping bf3 forums when I was 7. (I had a weird set of parents that showed me, paused, and explained schindlers list when I was like 5, leading to pretty early maturity among other things)

[sweet lily]

Sure thing, will do

[spare socket]

Even then people complained about bf3 being too cod like because of metro

[spiral pelican]

Bro your a strike at karkand hater

[spare socket]

I said the literal opposite

[sweet lily]

How is your studying going

[slender epoch]

And when we take turns with attack and defense and keep servers persistent!! That is all lol

[spare socket]

pretty good listening to an alpha substitutions to carbonyls video rn

[spiral pelican]

“Open maps” yeah if you think running thru the middle is valid

This was before map design being scattered with cover everywhere was considered necessary, nobody said this back then because competitors offered worse maps 💀🤡🤦🏽‍♂️

[spare socket]

brother there was halo

you can't tell me halo btb wasn't peak

[slender epoch]

some maps

[spiral pelican]

entire map size of 1 flag on wake island tho

[spare socket]

it wasn't nearly as large scale but still

[slender epoch]

I liked valhala

[spiral pelican]

the maps on 2142 were pure ass tho

[slender epoch]

and sand trap

[spare socket]

if you played them on any game mode other than titan...
I can't disagree the conquest variants were in fact bad.

But this is like saying most of bad company 2s maps suck cuz they were built for rush

[spiral pelican]

Youngbuck thinks 2142 is a good game 😂

[spare socket]

brother you played it when you were younger than me

☠️

[sweet lily]

I would love to see the titan game mode again, and an actual good game with the same vision as 2142 had. The game was total jank in a lot of ways, but it had vibe for sure. It was a "good game" but absolutely not by DICE's standards. Thats where I will leave it

[spare socket]

you literally called me an unc when you're older

[spiral pelican]

there was no such thing as a bad mode in bf2 🤡

[slender epoch]

2142 was the sci-fi one?

What’s the beef

[spiral pelican]

SONNYBOY you played it in 2018 💀💀💀

[spiral pelican]

Lower your tone.

[spare socket]

https://youtu.be/_UvGLWwP488?si=3mzmK56TepNf4-vw if you haven't played it I highly recommend checking this video on the topic tbh it's a nice retrospective

[spare socket]

brother you raised it 💀

you called me older when I'm younger than you

what does that even say ☠️

[spiral pelican]

Watch your mouth when around your elders

youngbuck

[leaden river]

is battlefield 5 still alive

[spiral pelican]

Barely

[spare socket]

uh huh

[sweet lily]

Long story short, Lungebob says 2142 was a bad game, Da Babu won't have it

[leaden river]

2042

[spiral pelican]

Shit has like 2 servers

[leaden river]

i mean 2142

[spiral pelican]

Me and ANYONE who played it before bf3 released

[spare socket]

I won't have it when his only experience with the game was when bro was 10 and he won't even bother watching the video I linked

[slender epoch]

Oh i see haha

[spiral pelican]

ITS ASS

[spare socket]

at least watch the video otherwise I can't take anything you say beyond this point seriously regardless of what it is

[spiral pelican]

you were a MERE SPERM WHEN IT RELEASED SONNYBOY

2142 was ASS

[sweet lily]

True that, you can find a lot of people say how certain aspects of the game was the best Battlefield ever had, but you'll have to look hard to find someone who say the whole game was good. Because it wasn't

[spare socket]

I watched schindlers list when I was 5 and was forced to read the Quran, Bhagavad Gita, torah, Vedas, some buddhist texts, and bible between the ages of 8 and 9 cuz my parents were hella brown and wanted me to "be more open minded"

[spiral pelican]

Because that shit was garbage 😂😂😂

[spare socket]

weird parenting strategy but I didn't mind it in retrospect

[kind snow]

I dont think most people support scammers tbh

[spiral pelican]

this has nothing to do first person shooters 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[sweet lily]

Don't forget to breath now

[spare socket]

you played 2142 when you were 10

I was reading a flipping bible at 9 and played 2142 when I was 16

☠️ what do you think

[spiral pelican]

Tone.

Lower it. Now

[sweet lily]

Before you know it, your whole life story lies embedded in a battlefield-6 channel dedicated to a video game

[spiral pelican]

Lilbra’ you didn’t even exist when the 2142 trailer dropped 😱🤡😂

[spare socket]

watch the video. My lecture video ended I gotta do practice problems

https://youtu.be/_UvGLWwP488?si=_M11r8tOYHZSZOjC bye

[spiral pelican]

2142 IS ASS

[sweet lily]

I'm guessing the game won't change even if that video gets more views lol

[spiral pelican]

Now we can finally talk about how bad CODFIELD 6: Copefield Of Duty is

[sweet lily]

just a shot in the dark though

hahah

nah, now my entertainment has ended

[slate steppe]

Cod6 only good to play with kid 😂

[sweet lily]

time to go to sleep, it's 06:22AM over here

[spiral pelican]

CODFIELD 6 NEEDS BATTLE ROYALE AND BATTLEPASS ASAP!

GET RID OF THESE STUPID “CLASSES” AND JUST LET US USE WHAT WE WANT.

ALSO THE SLIDE IS TOO SLOW AND ITS SO STUPID THAT THERES AN ACCURACY PENALTY FOR JUMPING. WTF?

THEY SHOULD SCRAP EVERY GAME MODE WITH MORE THAN 8V8 AND ONLY USE LIKE 1/5th OF THE MAP ITS TOO BIG RN. REVIVING IS POINTLESS

ALSO REMOVE TICKETS FROM CONQUEST AND MAKE IT JUST BASED ON KILLS

[slate steppe]

Nah i only ever use that game when kid wanna split screen. Otherwise i dont play that shit

[kind snow]

Why wouldn’t you want another game mode ? If you don’t like it just don’t enter it

[chilly shore]

Battlefield 6 could use more cyberwarfare type stuff

[kind snow]

Like ?

[chilly shore]

hacking vehicles, disabling some electronics like spawn beacons and stuff

[kind snow]

None of the current vehicles we have seen use electronics to drive so that doesn’t make much sense and for electronics just shoot them and they get destroyed

[chilly shore]

maybe their targetting system

[kind snow]

So rockets ? Just use chaff

[chilly shore]

some of their lock on and countermeasures could be hacked

[kind snow]

Countermeasures aren’t electronic they are mechanical

[chilly shore]

does it require electronics to get the mechanical parts going?

[kind snow]

Piston and Macro explosion to push it out away from the vehicle

That’s where the famous doot sound comes from

[chilly shore]

can't imagine the technology in BF6

maybe it's time Battlefield expanded more in cyberwarfare considering how effective it is IRL

[frank sky]

can it be oct 10th yet plz?

[kind snow]

DDoS Pulse: briefly blinds enemy minimaps/comms and a GPS Jammer: disrupts vehicle HUDs or missile lock-ons, would be the only thing that makes sense but they are both useless and a waste of time to implement

Most other cyber warfare wouldn’t make sense nor would work

[flint badger]

Dude. Wtf is your problem? Go shill for Children's Online Daycare Body Odor 6 elsewhere

[chilly shore]

we could also use Cyberwarfare against Recon's drone

[chilly shore]

you fell for their trap card

[flint badger]

I know

[chilly shore]

...

[flint badger]

I don't care

[chilly shore]

fair enough

[tight prism]

And thus, harmony.

[chilly shore]

but could probably work against recon drones

[flint badger]

I'm super excited for BF6 though. CoD doesn't stand a chance against a real man's game

[kind snow]

Or you could just shoot it down instead of wasting a class just for that 😅 wouldn’t make sense in bf6

[chilly shore]

sometimes you wanna be a little more "covert"

shooting it down can sometimes give away your position

[kind snow]

If it works like in 2042 hacking anything gives your position away aswell

[chilly shore]

it's a little quiet and sometimes the enemy can't determine where the shots came from

also a waste of bullets

[kind snow]

Wasting bullets doesn’t matter much there are ammo boxes all over the map

[chilly shore]

aside from if you're behind enemy lines

[kind snow]

When you kill someone you can take their ammo

[spare socket]

There is an irony to this statement lol

The game lead of bf6 was the game lead and founder to cod. He led the development of every cod until mw2 (2009).

[flint badger]

Fair point

Forgot about that

[chilly shore]

sometimes you do not want to kill the guy atleast not yet

[spare socket]

He also led:
medal of honor allied assault
titanfall 1-2
the jedi games
apex legends (at launch, he was removed from the project after launch)
And BF portal for 2042 (only portal)

[kind snow]

If you’re not gonna kill anyone yet why worry about ammo ?

[spare socket]

in contrast the game lead of bf2042 was the game lead of candy crush mobile ☠️ EA really wanted a yes man for that game lol

[flint badger]

TF2 is a really slept on game

[kind snow]

All the guns have plenty of magazines unless you miss a few mags it’s nothing to worry about

[spare socket]

Vince zampella is just that goated

[chilly shore]

I want to get behind the enemy line and cause more chaos than killing one guy, keeping them alive assuming they have not seen me will give off the illusion that they're alone and don't gotta be paranoid of someone sneaking around

[flint badger]

But enough of that, I'm so ready to play some firestorm again

[spare socket]

use a suppressed AR and the spawn beacon on the assault at launch

[chilly shore]

I have to re-read this message until I realize you're referring to Titan fall

[flint badger]

Yeah

[kind snow]

Also why all the sneaking around ? Your supposed to move with your team, either way you can just run and place a spawn beacon then spawn their when it’s clear

[chilly shore]

often times, I pick my fights carefully, I might harvest more fruit than what I first see

[flint badger]

Titanfall 2 is one of the best shooters out there, but it got released at a bad time

[spare socket]

Vince is the equivalent of the biggest "screw you executives I wanna make a game" game developers in the industry lol

[chilly shore]

sometimes I wanna take the enemy by surprise

[spare socket]

that is until he gets removed from the projects he works on

[kind snow]

Read second half

[spare socket]

[spare socket]

use the spawn beacon with your squad. Have your squad run suppressors and support (maybe an engineer or a recon for info)

[kind snow]

Or you could just drop in with a helicopter

[spare socket]

Yeah but that's less "flanky" and tactile tbh

and the helis in bf6 are on 3 maps

and are way less maneuverable in general

[kind snow]

If they fly right above the ground people won’t notice you getting out you’d be surprised

[spare socket]

the better option (if this isn't a bug) is to abuse free look shooting

in bf6 you can literally turn your camera in any direction with free look and guns/rockets will aim in that direction despite the fact your front view isn't in that direction

[chilly shore]

as much as possible, I would prefer not to fight too early

I pick my fights

[kind snow]

What’s the difference from just turning your character

[spare socket]

the difference is time of your vehicle turning and having to front face the gun

the free look option you can literally shoot guns and rockets 180º behind you

let me provide a visual example

[spare socket]

This is free look on jets. This can also be applied to helis as well. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T-YUajTOybc

for context no other bf game has had this before so I'm unsure if this is a bug or a feature

[livid kite]

I was watching some footage of gameplay, and I noticed that the map modelled after the upper part of Brooklyn Heights has the wrong speed limit posted on the street modelled after Vine St.
It should be 20, not 35.
35 is way too high for a street like that

The devs clearly have no regard for transportation safety and regulation

Someone could get hurt

[torn vault]

I think the AG missiles in the Jet has a first-person targeting pod that autolevels the jet and lets you target in any direction so I think it's intentional.

[spiral pelican]

COPEFIELD 6 OF DUTY NEEDS A FAZTER SLIDE

[chilly shore]

I wanna see a Battlefield 6 trailer introducing the factions

[livid kite]

I wanna see the speed limit fixed

[spare socket]

it's by all means more realistic btw. I'm just saying it hasn't existed in prior bf games that I'm not sure

[crimson gate]

what happened to the stats channel

nvm

[lusty solstice]

Who’s playing on pc?

[wanton swift]

the factions are the most cringe part about the whole game lol, NATO vs "made up evil group to not make the real evils russia or china mad"

[lean imp]

theres not much fomo in it except the tombstone pack, and you can get codes for em elsewhere anyway most likely

[lean imp]

yeah nato (usa, uk and egypt for some reason) and pax armata supported by most of the ex-nato members are the factions

its just basically a nato proxy civil war

in the campaign itll be about a usmc marine raider unit called dagger 3-1 vs pax armata mercs most likely

[loud saddle]

hop of bf2 modern combat guyz #screenshots-and-clips message

recorded on a real modded ps2 with a genki shadowcast 2 capture card and an mayflash ps2 to hdmi adapter

[hard ravine]

absolutely no interest in playing that lol

[spare socket]

if you want "rare skins" grind the 2042 pass

the amount of the final bf6 player base that will have the bf4 engineer skin and whatever that skin is at the end of the 2042 pass will be minimal

given it's largely cuz 2042 is kinda dog water

[tight prism]

The Sovereign Soldier skin is the T60, repping the No-Pat logo.

[unique arrow]

Ill have that tomorrow, that tier 60 Will be more rare, i Heard a lot of guys doing only BF4 engineer

[tardy geyser]

Does anybody knows if there will be an app like the cod companion for loadouts

[unique arrow]

Only something like battlenet/battlelog like bf 4

[spare socket]

what class is it for?

ik the bf4 one is the engineer for obvious reasons.

But Idk if the last skin is assault or support

I'm feeling support

[tight prism]

I hope Support if it is class restricted, since I never play Assault.

[spare socket]

it most likely will be class restricted

the bf4 skin is clearly for the engineer

[spare socket]

also imma be real I think bf6 assault is a bit interesting with the move of the spawn beacon

having a spawn beacon, ladder, hammer to breach buildings, assortment of launchers, stims, and the ability to dual wield primaries is neat

[spare socket]

that last one is questionable with being able to dual wield a sniper and a shotgun/carbine with the spawn beacon

I mostly only played support and engineer in the beta. Sometimes recon for spawn beacon

[tight prism]

The spawn beacon and maybe the ladder would be reasons I may start playing as it as I usually end up a vanguard(as a Medic or Recon..) because nobody wants to PTFO.

[spare socket]

I feel like the team should at least consider restricting the sniper to the recon for open weapons for 2 reasons.

1 it feels like the recon lacks the most identity rn
2 assault dual wielding a sniper+another weapon with the spawn beacon is kinda stupid

the recon is basically the info class but you don't really get that info until you get your uav

given a headshot kill with a sniper making a player incapable of getting revived is neat

I think locking sniper to recon defines the class a lot more compared to locking other weapons to other classes

[tight prism]

Much as I love open weapons(with that previously discussed middle ground being something I am open to), I do agree that the sniper simply has no place anywhere other than with a recon person(minus maybe engineer given lack of binoculars for tanker spotting assistance).

The UAV is weirdly implemented though considering it is centered on you, you cannot set a spot I do not think.

[spare socket]

I'm kinda chill with the other weapons as they aren't as defining as yk

a long range one shot

suppression in bf6 isn't that crazy so lmgs aren't all that

smgs are flexible and very versatile but they kinda need to nerf the m4 imo

the fact the m4 was more controllable and had a better ttk than both is crazy work (especially considering it had a faster fire rate and damage profile)

[slow horizon]

looking for repairmen for my heli, dm

[spare socket]

m4a1: 900 rpm 25 damage (4 shots)
mp7: 947 rpm 16 damage (7 shots)
sgx: 830 rpm 25 damage (4 shots)

[shadow igloo]

Is there a way to ask questions related to bf 6, that are not answered in their faq?

[spare socket]

you could ask away here rq

it's kinda hard to get official team answers imma be real with you

[shadow igloo]

Yeah, that is what I was already thinking sadly...

[spare socket]

you could ask away

they might have already discussed the topic in which case I can potentially provide an answer

or it was leaked in labs or something

[shadow igloo]

I really wanna get a clear picture of the battle pass in the game

How it works, what it offers, if it is a fomo fest or like halo

[spare socket]

yeah that's not really something we can see rn unfortunately

[shadow igloo]

Exactly

You think they will answer that question closer to launch?

[spare socket]

Most likely

They may have not even finalized the contents or features in progressing/maintaining the pass yet so

I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh

I never really concerned myself with passes anymore cuz I'm way too busy for that

[spare socket]

any other questions?

[shadow igloo]

How long the live service is gonna be and what exactly they smoked, when saying that they wanna make battlefield an annual release

[tight prism]

They smoked the money they expect to roll in with the 100 million players they are expecting to draw to BF6.

[spare socket]

battlefield will not become an annual release for at least 4 years potentially more

It wants to start forming multiple dedicated teams to make annual releases

[shadow igloo]

Just mimicing call of duty

[spare socket]

essentially 4 dev teams working on battlefield each doing the usual 4 year cycle that battlefield has always had

[spare socket]

the main issue with this is the dev teams conflicting with eachother and innovating/going in too similar or too different directions

[shadow igloo]

The reality check is gonna be insane

[spare socket]

cod has a 2-3 year dev cycle btw

which isn't comparable to BF's pretty consistent 4 with the only real exception being 2042

[shadow igloo]

Still not worth throwing the other franchises under the bus

[spare socket]

I mean

[shadow igloo]

Need for speed is probably never gonna see another release again

[spare socket]

I wouldn't mind if it's like

ok so we got one team making old school era battlefield games (ww1, cold war, vietnam, ww2, etc)
we got one team making modern era battlefield games
we got one team making futuristic battlefield games
we got one team doing experimental ones

the fact 2142 hasn't recieved a sequel is a sad reality

if it's all 4 teams just making the same thing it can get uhhh

old real fast

and cod's issues stem from more a leadership and executive problem standpoint more so than their release schedule

ever since vince zampella and jason west were fired the games have never been the same in the multiplayer department imo

[keen bluff]

Wish we got something set in Japan, or multiple maps in different countries instead of open world. Something like a modern day underground

Heat was ok but unbound felt even worse

[shadow igloo]

Never gonna happen. Not worth to produce in EA's eyes

[chilly shore]

I honestly don't think Pax Armata is entirely evil (Totally not paid by them)

Tho would be interesting to hear Russian Voices and Chinese Voices among Pax Mercs

[keen bluff]

sad cause theres nothing really to compete with it, everything else is closer to simulator

[shadow igloo]

And monetization issue, along with AI. Voice actors not being protected from the use of AI, items and skins being partly AI generated

[chilly shore]

Legally speaking those Russians and Chinese members are not formally part of the Russian Armed Forces or the People's Liberation Army

[frozen thorn]

Idk, even by BF3 having Russian bad guys was a pretty tired trend

[spare socket]

Largely down to leadership and executive issues

Vince wouldn't allow that type of nonsense

[chilly shore]

Pax Armata could probably be around a morally gray area

[keen bluff]

i loved it. why did we regress. whos really gonna complain about it

[spare socket]

The franchise's biggest innovations in the MP department since he left were:
skin progression with black ops 1-2
gunplay in MW 2019 (which had horrendous map design so... ehhh?)

Most of the og cod team is also gone. They all left with Vince to found respawn

[chilly shore]

Dima makes some interesting points

[unique arrow]

Pax Armata vs NATO is awesome idea

[chilly shore]

Since he's not anywhere close to his leaders to prosecute him for his insubordination, he takes his chance to show a little bit of humanity that would normally get him court martialed

[chilly shore]

I guess Pax's motives could be boiled down that Alliances don't do much to prevent war and mass killings so they take matters into their own hands

[mint valley]

i'd love it if we have police vs pax armata sleeper agents

after all, the reveal trailer showed police running with the military

and i'd love bf6 more if season 2 goes to asia

[chilly shore]

But also Pax are paid to do what they're paid to do, regardless of who hires them

[unique arrow]

There is si much they can do

[shadow igloo]

Probably shoving iwo jima into the mix again

[unique arrow]

Content for 5 years easy

[chilly shore]

I wanna see a Philippine map where Pax Armata tries to cut off US navsl support

[shadow igloo]

With water and naval fights

[mint valley]

screw that

i wanna see two maps that take place in osaka

it'd be cool to see a fight while the cherry blossoms are blooming

pink leaves falling while being splattered with blood

[chilly shore]

A Japan map? Not a bad idea

[spare socket]

not exactly

[unique arrow]

Ill be hype if bf6 will add those OP Attack/Battle boats

[shadow igloo]

Like the dreadnought from bf1?

[mint valley]

asian nato will have the japanese

asian pax will have southeast asians

[spare socket]

pax is a private military composed of Ex nato soldiers that didn't belong to the U.S (the U.S makes up 2/3rds of Nato's budget/staff) and soldiers that back the pax financially from those countries.

It's basically what if the U.S army didn't belong to one country

No joke the U.S military is by all accounts privatized. The only element that isn't is the staff

[chilly shore]

I can imagine the Police being implemented in some maps where they're the first to respond and that includes the SWAT

[keen bluff]

is there a chance they add russian voices like bf3?

[spare socket]

if the staff was something owned by private corporations that the U.S paid for or alternatively something that didn't soley belong to the U.S and would be accessible by multiple nations backing the troops directly.

The U.S military would literally be private

[chilly shore]

The attack is so sudden that the Police are gonna be the first one to do the firefight

[spare socket]

every other element of the U.S military in terms of how it produces its weapons, naval carriers, aircraft, etc are all private

[chilly shore]

If they know how to make such weapons, they also know how to destroy it

[spare socket]

?

I mean? Ig? I'm not sure how that relates to anything or matters

[solar nimbus]

lmao i kinda like this

[spare socket]

bf6 is taking a direction that seems to involve russia and china the least to ensure the title can release in those countries without controversy

[mint valley]

in all fairness, this is the closest we'll get to a us vs europe in battlefield

[spare socket]

real

[chilly shore]

At that point just add Russian and Chinese voices among the Pax Soldiers

[spare socket]

pax is european...

[mint valley]

but im still baffled as to how the hell the franchise has not gone to having eastern factions in the game

so far, it's only china, vietnam, and ww2 japan

i wanna see modern japan and southeast asian insurgents

if they'll be in nato and pax, that's fine

[chilly shore]

I know but it's likely they can get recruits from former Spetsnaz maybe PLA soldiers

[solar nimbus]

wouldnt make sense if its a multinational pmc unless they make it so chinese and russians have specific units that deploy in certain maps

maybe if they make another china dlc (which i doubt)

[spare socket]

I don't see why russia or china has any interest in france seceding from U.S relations in entirety

and in the case of china modern china has no reason to antagonize the u.s

[solar nimbus]

isnt china in the universe having a civil war rn

[chilly shore]

Unless the Chinese and Russian members of Pax Armata are in it for the money

[solar nimbus]

i mean not sure how long its been going on but its a plausible reason for them not to really include them

[slow horizon]

looking for repair guys, dm

[spare socket]

Being the producer country to the U.S's tertiary economy and all of europe is enough money

[mint valley]

is there proof that bf3 and bf4 are connected to bf6?

[chilly shore]

Blackburn

[solar nimbus]

nah its all just speculation but logically itd make sense if most of europe decided to drop nato after france literally got nuked

[spare socket]

bf4 is connected to bf3

bf4 is connected to 2042.

2042 is connected to bf6

[solar nimbus]

idt blackburn was ever shown

was he?

[mint valley]

i know bf3, bf4, and 2042 are connected

i just dont recall or see any proof that bf6 is connected to them

[hard ravine]

how do you figure that 2042 takes place decades ahead of bf3 and 4

[mint valley]

tbh, i dont see the 2042 and bf6 connection

all i know is they're 15 years apart

[hard ravine]

Are they really? Or is that what the news says lol

[wanton swift]

a country that calls itself a "Democracy" starting a conquest war against a neighbor who has done absolutely nothing? how can a country be more evil?

[solar nimbus]

itd be nice to see them atleast try to connect it somewhat, seeing as the baltic firestorms start in 2028 and bf6 takes place in 2027 (we also have iberian offensive with the burning in the background)

[keen bluff]

they dont even have to be bad guys, just another team u play as

[wanton swift]

if you play a Democracy in Hearts of Iron you don't even have the option to start a conquest war, since that is not something a Democracy can do

[mint valley]

shit, now that i think about it

it might make sense

[hard ravine]

Every country in history technically lol. I'm not saying they're "good". But there's a lot more to the story than, "Russia bad" and they had no reason.

[spare socket]

I think the U.S being blamed for nuking france in bf3 might be a good reason for france to secede from NATO

🤷‍♂️

[frozen thorn]

Its a pretty tiring trope tho. I wanna see shit like US vs France or Scotland. Shit out of left field but still works on a story level

[spare socket]

just sayin

[solar nimbus]

yea its stated that it wrecked havoc from kyiv to berlin (which isnt really anywhere near gibraltar) but who knows there could always be retcons

[lean imp]

tbh nato members are probably so shitty to each other that it disbanded ingame

[solar nimbus]

just make the UN be as bad as the LON and there u have it

[frozen thorn]

I forgot where I saw it but I think Egypt is part of NATO

[solar nimbus]

yea they are

[hard ravine]

NATO is mainly so the military industrial complex makes trillions of $$ lol

[lean imp]

i wonder what led to ex-nato members wanting to destroy the US and its now only two allies in bf6 lmao

[solar nimbus]

Egypt, UK and US are the remnants of NATO or something like that

[spare socket]

The league of nations sucked immense balls because it lacked the military power to make any of its decisions mean jack

[lean imp]

yeah true but to leave it, someone or something happened that is so unforgiveable

[spare socket]

It failed to prevent ww2 because it doesn't have the gigantic stick to waive around that is the U.S military

[solar nimbus]

US being absent quite literally killed it tbh

also im still wondering how pax armata has THAT much money

[lean imp]

yeah apparently, bro imagine pissing 30+ nations and now youre just reduced to 3

[hard ravine]

I been trying to get into BFV but man. I CANNOT find a damn gun I like

[compact musk]

woodrow wilson probably felt so awesome making everyone form the LON and then not joining it

[solar nimbus]

deadass

[frozen thorn]

"Go figure it out"

[lean imp]

wtf did these 3 do to get such hate that the ex-nato made a coalition to destroy them

i wonder

[compact musk]

well the US went off and started like 2 giant conflicts within 10 years and got france nuked (from the french perspective)

[solar nimbus]

i wonder how southeast asia is doing in bf6

[frozen thorn]

US started do become evil and ask for money in return for military aid instead of giving it out for free like they always have

[spare socket]

I don't think any sane country is gonna say "yeah let's go to war with the U.S" when the more sane option is "let's trade with the U.S and optimize comparative advantage"

[hard ravine]

I like the Thompson but man, anything further than 50m away and it's like I'm throwing a handful of gravel lol

[spare socket]

war is just no longer financially sustainable. It's merely a political maneuver.

[compact musk]

well the whole world is going to hell so no one is really acting rationally

[lean imp]

i also dont like bfv tbh, im kinda enjoying bf2042 because of the free pass grind

[solar nimbus]

side note but the african soldiers (pax) and egyptian soldiers (nato) look so damn cool

[compact musk]

why tf is pax launching a ground invasion of brooklyn?!??!

[chilly shore]

ASEAN is probably still burning

[spare socket]

the better question is how

[solar nimbus]

corruption's already settling all of it lmao no need for war

[spare socket]

I don't understand any of the logistics of bf6's world building ngl

[frozen thorn]

Im sure the main characters of the campaign will say exactly this

[compact musk]

Bf has always had spotty world building

[solar nimbus]

maybe bf just said fuck it and went with the traditional nonsense world building that 3 and 4 did

[lean imp]

understandable i guess, but still

[compact musk]

I assume we'll get some kind of explanation in the campaign about how Pax got so much power

[spare socket]

it seems to be continuing it tbh. The fact Solomon nuked france and is a CIA operative pins a lot of the blame of France getting demolished on the U.S.

Which would be a valid reason to crash out and secede from nato.

[chilly shore]

Pax Armata could take advantage of it to set up offices for recruitments

[frozen thorn]

I think they pick out places around the world for mp maps, then build the story around that

[lean imp]

ngl the plot is like some bf2042 lore but i guess its intriguing enough that i wanna play the campaign. gives me the og mw2 and mw3 vibes

[compact musk]

2042 had some fire lore

[solar nimbus]

true, i could see them springing up one by one in countries like that

[compact musk]

i am so mad that they marketed the whole climate change and no pat thing and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing with it

flooded london in a trailer and you DONT make that a map?

[frozen thorn]

Too bad its just in character descriptions

[solar nimbus]

as quite a few are alligned with the US or NATO so with the increasing corruption, they could very well just open their arms to the local populace

[chilly shore]

They could recruit former members of PAF to conduct jungle operations

Maybe security and PR campaign

[solar nimbus]

i really hope they introduce more units as the game goes on

[wanton swift]

i got a warning just for saying factual truths, moderation is so sad these days

[unkempt raven]

hi! i thought if we were part of previous labs tests that we could play the newer ones? how do I confirm this?

[spare socket]

what month did you join the lab test?

[solar nimbus]

i swear

[lean imp]

hopefully but reducing em to 3 countries can be problematic

[solar nimbus]

couldve been a better flood zone tbh

[unkempt raven]

may

[chilly shore]

Only way for Pax Armata to remain in southeast asia is to have a good PR

[spare socket]

may was not the labs invite. It was the stress test invite.

[lean imp]

but maybe in the lore they get new nato members maybe or some will rejoin

[solar nimbus]

so much talk ab environmental collapse in 2042 but we just get a sandstorm and some tornadoes?

[lean imp]

with pax armata it can be any country anyway

[solar nimbus]

yea im wondering how theyre even standing with just 3 countries, also seems like an odd selection

[compact musk]

Part of me really wants like a BF:Apocalypse spin off or something that serves as a 2042 sequel focusing on the worldwide collapse that is largely implied to be impending

[spare socket]

I want a 2142 sequel

[frozen thorn]

The only benefit 2042 got from not having a campaign was that they could make maps all over the world instead of just 2-4 countries like in most BF titles. Too bad those maps are mostly shit

[lean imp]

yup, but we will see how itll turn out

[chilly shore]

I wanna see the JSDF as a faction for a JP map

[compact musk]

they shouldve just done another war stories campaign and that wouldve helped mesh the specialists a lot better

[lean imp]

yup wouldve preferred that tbh

[solar nimbus]

honestly feels like they shouldve not named it battlefield but set it in the universe, idk

[lean imp]

well EA wanted a franchise tbh. cod basically killed medal of honor so battlefield is the only one that can potentially beat or compete against it

[compact musk]

For bf6 I would like to see maybe turkey added as a faction for NATO, and like greece for pax

[chilly shore]

I wanna see a campaign where we could play in the perspective of PAX and our decision can actually matter

[solar nimbus]

didnt the US get exposed for their secrets of trying to make another W.M.D in the ending of 2042 whilst Oz uses that same satellite to terraform some place in africa and name it Namaqualand for the no-pats? Also the thousand petals coalition which seems like it could actually bring about a new future for alot of asian countries

[spare socket]

at least we got like... stranded?

[solar nimbus]

pretty sure the EU is trying to get back on its feet or something

[lean imp]

thats funny because both are nato members while egypt aint but is in the game

nato membership is all over the place but its fiction anyway

[solar nimbus]

so glad theres no all chat if this happens

[spare socket]

I just find it truly insane that there would be a realm where countries would willingly secede from nato

[compact musk]

I imagine egypt got into nato because they got attacked by (I presume) the africa pax group

[frozen thorn]

Stranded in the middle of nowhere with no cover

[spare socket]

hey hey now. Stranded is a good map. It actually has a flow and the central ship+zip lines

[compact musk]

is stranded the panama one?

[solar nimbus]

I think so

korean map just looks so odd to me tbh

[lean imp]

yeah makes sense, i think the focus is i guess medtierrean, the eastern europe and ofc atlantic theaters of war

[solar nimbus]

big fat park in the middle and a few buildings with basically no degrading whatsoever

[compact musk]

god I hate that map so much, most post launch maps were decent but I cant stand the openness of that one (stranded)

[lean imp]

which makes sense for a technically a nato civil war

[solar nimbus]

just looks way too clean for a world thats supposed to be doing really bad with weather

[compact musk]

well like in real life ethiopia (I think) dammed the nile and egypt is not happy about that at all

[spare socket]

I found stranded to have some of the most cover lol what?

it's literally 4 points around the map with tons of cover with 2 points in the ship. The distance between the ship and the points in the ends aren't far. Atop this you can parachute off the ship and zipline to these points

[solar nimbus]

I kinda hope BF6 goes global

[chilly shore]

What pistols you guys wanna see?

[solar nimbus]

sort of like WW2 w multiple different fronts around the world but in a modern setting

[spare socket]

most of bf2042's maps are dog water mind you but stranded is the exception if anything

[frozen thorn]

Glock 17. Fully auto. Suppressed. Nothing else

[compact musk]

everytime I play it the map flow is just scrambling around on an objective while you get sniped from 10 people on the ship meanwhile a helicopter flies over and turns you into pink mist

[lean imp]

mk23, m1911, g18 etc whatever nato spec ops and tier 1s use

[chilly shore]

Low-key would like to see some WW2 Pistols, not really practical for today's warfare but pretty much an heirloom

[spare socket]

do you play 128 or 64

[compact musk]

ive only ever played it on 64

[spare socket]

Then I'm beyond confused

[solar nimbus]

hopefully they revisit korea in bf6, would be cool to see sk vs nk if that happens

[frozen thorn]

Im kinda glad season 1 is Cali themed. Happy that its there but also out the way to see more maps around the globe

[spare socket]

if there are 10 snipers on the ship you're going to win that game off of sheer objective advantage if you run smokes

[compact musk]

I assume they want to get the major US places out of the way so they dont have people begging for them throughout the games lifespan

[lean imp]

would be nice yup but the season 1 maps seemed focused on US and some of the other nato places

[fringe mason]

Game campaign was leaked. At the start you will need to follow Harriet Tubman and break free as a slave

[solar nimbus]

yeah one thing that bothered me before is there was never really any maps on US soil so its cool to see

[compact musk]

we'll probably get the BR alongside season 1 cus thats also in california

[frozen thorn]

I have a theory that each season will have a remake of a beloved favorite map, then 2 new maps in that region + BR map in the same region too. Would explain, Downtown, Eastwood, Badlands, and the BR map

[lean imp]

so pax armata got the budget and manpower to both invade east and west of the usa lol

[compact musk]

Propaganda was one of the leaked remakes right? so maybe we will get a korea season

[solar nimbus]

I kinda hope downtown lets u play as police but its quite a low chance

[compact musk]

or theres the chance the packaged remaster wont always be tied to the theme

[solar nimbus]

bf hardline voicelines were so peak

[mint valley]

i prefer that assault and support are the cops while engineer and recon are the soldiers

[frozen thorn]

Yeah thats what i figure. 3 MP maps and a BR map every season

[lean imp]

given theres us bases there wont be surprise if we got east asian maps as well. im sure pax will attack them as well to truly cripple usa across the globe

[mint valley]

still criminal that we have no police and military working together in battlefield yet

only seen in the bf6 reveal

[frozen thorn]

Also explains why BR wont be there at launch

[solar nimbus]

no doubt cops have assault ladders (atleast for their swat units)

[spare socket]

.....?

[compact musk]

campaign mission I would imagine

[celest belfry]

Wtf would the police do

[spare socket]

In a realm where the military are ever involved police would evacuate the scene immediately

unless it's some werido sci fi police

[lean imp]

yup nypd fighting off pax armata with the marine raiders maybe

[mint valley]

aside from evacuation, do the same thing the military does albeit limited

[frozen thorn]

Thats what I was hoping for too. Then again the last one is Talah Market so idk how I feel about new Iran maps when that was just most of BF3

[solar nimbus]

theyre shown in the reveal trailer running amongst the us military in new york so im assuming its that urgent

[compact musk]

police and military cooperate pretty often

[spare socket]

not at all. their only job would be evac and leave

[spare socket]

yes but they don't fight on the front lines lmao

they handle evacuation and get out of dodge

that's their job. They're public servants. Not soldiers

[lean imp]

with fighting on the streets they will definitely try to help especially if overwhelmed

[celest belfry]

Legit maybe only on domestic soil lol. Otherwise they have 0 involvement

[solar nimbus]

yea realistically theyd be helping civs but maybe there might be a mission where they help in a firefight for that purpose

[spare socket]

even on domestic soil if a military conflict randomly occurred their job would be evac

[mint valley]

last time i saw cops and military working together, that was world in conflict when the soviets invaded seattle

and that was during the cold war and the game is from the 2000s

[frozen thorn]

I can imagine they would still defend civilians, but wouldnt have like a battle strategy or something

[celest belfry]

Me when the K9 tries to bite my main battle tank

[spare socket]

I feel like people are genuinely tripping balls rn

[solar nimbus]

would be interesting if u play as a police at the start of the attack and then shift to marine raiders but i doubt it

[compact musk]

brooklyn is getting invaded, I would not be shocked to see NYPD swat helping to hold down a frontline until backup comes

[lean imp]

police will be part of the resistance ofc, but they will not be really are capable to fight a properly equipped paramilitary force that got jets and tanks like the pax

[celest belfry]

There is a reason hardline failed…

We do not wanna be police

[spare socket]

In what fantasy realm do you think police get involved in military affairs. Public servants designed for evacuation and public service. Rare exceptions being swat units for higher level operations (that rarely reach military grade).

[celest belfry]

In a battlefield

[frozen thorn]

Would be cool for the escalation mode they havent released details on

[solar nimbus]

doesnt mean it was bad but it just shifted too heavily outside of the bf identity

[compact musk]

you obviously cant mobilize the US military to the middle of NYC in time to defend an attack

[solar nimbus]

doesnt mean you cant include it for a small portion of the campaign

[compact musk]

(assuming the attack is by surprise)

[mint valley]

i think hardline was released at the wrong time

had hardline came out after bf1, i think it might've been loved a bit more

[lean imp]

i think armed civilians will also try to make militias and resistance groups

[celest belfry]

You obviously would know if an invading force was coming

Mainland USA

[solar nimbus]

doesnt seem like they knew in the trailer

[lean imp]

with the current politics and stuff it probably will be controversial tbh

[compact musk]

maybe with 2-3 days notice, still cant prepare a proper defense force in the largest city in the country in that time

[mint valley]

fair

[solar nimbus]

just going off how theyre showing it tbh realistically itd probably never happen

[spare socket]

At best the military get involved in police affairs (even then this can be considered as constitutionally immoral on some occasions).

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 literally prevents the use of military personel for domestic law enforcement excluding exceptions in the insurrection act.

In no realm are police getting involved in military operations. It's the other way around and it's Rare

[lean imp]

the description of the empire state map is that NY got bombed by cruise missiles so its a surprise attack

[celest belfry]

You have the national guard and the IRF

[compact musk]

I'd bet the NY/us invasion stuff will come first like how it was in the MW3 campaign, our marine raider team takes out some important doo-dad and pushes pax into retreat, then they go abroad to take out the top guy (presumably the ginger we saw in the trailer)

[spare socket]

Do people even read the law bro. Am I just crazy

[frozen thorn]

I uh, think New York had a surprise attack before

[solar nimbus]

I dont think it applies in universe cause i doubt whoever made the campaign thought about it

[spare socket]

yes and police were involved in evacuating people

[crimson gate]

Not sure how you do a surprise attack on New York when you need to cross the Atlantic first

[spare socket]

that's their job

[compact musk]

sleeper cells would be my guess

[solar nimbus]

the children yearn for more campaign details

[crimson gate]

In the trailer there’s Spanish helicopters?

[lean imp]

most likely they used some sophisticated stealth subs or whatever lol

this pax armata is well funded so no surprise

[frozen thorn]

Im trying my hardest not to get banned here lol

[spare socket]

DICE: so pax just invented teleportation

[celest belfry]

Sleeper helicopters😂

[solar nimbus]

moving like goku

[celest belfry]

[mint valley]

maybe pax did what the russians from mw2 did? disable the american satellites to launch a new york attack?

[crimson gate]

Stealth submarine that can carry attack helicopters hmm

[spare socket]

getting through U.S airspace or waters with a military force is genuinely crazy stuff

[lean imp]

they used a underwater tunnel

[celest belfry]

Holy budget

[spare socket]

Imma be real with you rq. I don't like COD's plots at all. The characters are cool but still the plots in retrospective are pretty nonsensical.

[celest belfry]

Across the Atlantic

[solar nimbus]

In any case they probably dumbed down the US just so they could make it happen

[lean imp]

they are in cargo ships declared as veilguard copies so nobody cared to check tbh lmao

[frozen thorn]

The entire Pax Armata was staying at a motel across the street from the NSA.

[celest belfry]

And they sent their war plans via SMS

[spare socket]

The biggest thing that carry cod campaigns are the characters and action set pieces. The level design is barely existent. The fact infinite warfare has the most enemy variety is saying something. The story is generally: how can we make this sound as cool to a teenager as possible

even if it doesn't make any sense

[lean imp]

yeah theyre fictional war stories even the bf6 premise is ridiculous asf all military veterans and war planners will call it dogshit fiction

but theyre entertainment anyway so np

[frozen thorn]

They attacked with a cruise missle, yet the Brooklyn Bridge just so happens to catch on fire. Hmm curious

[spare socket]

The reason the war stories were dope is because they focused on characters imo

the stories were so character driven and particular that they didn't have room to over preoccupy themselves with a plot to the point the plot could contradict basic logic

we don't talk about the ww2 ones in bf5

[lean imp]

yeah but the only characters that are iconic in BF history are the bad company characters and perhaps irish and blackburn

[spare socket]

except the last tiger

[lean imp]

the rest have their moments but theyre just one off characters

[celest belfry]

Last tiger goated

[spare socket]

bad company 2 was peak cuz it wasn't trying to be realistic it knew what it was and wore it proudly

[frozen thorn]

I honestly did not care for BF3 story at all. Dima was ok. Bf4 story was serviceable

[spare socket]

I wish I could go back in time and have the entirety of the bf5 campaign be about the last tiger tbh.

Having the crew grow together, learn their individual stories and hardships, seeing new members join and leave/die, etc

[lean imp]

you need to be an EA exec for that

[celest belfry]

I wonder what they will do to fill Irish’s part now that he is dead irl

[frozen thorn]

I just hope with BF6 they make likeable characters.

[celest belfry]

As he was alive in 2042

[spare socket]

real

[lean imp]

well they can recast but who knows

[celest belfry]

And I pray recker is back

[spare socket]

like at the very least if bf is going to do the cod route with its plot and combat/level design

at least make the characters likeable

[compact musk]

The tombstone cameo will probably be pac

Well if there is a tombstone cameo that is

[celest belfry]

Why even pac lol, he was a minor role

[compact musk]

Cus he’s the preorder skin

[celest belfry]

Yeah but that is what confuses me

It feels like forced nostalgia

Giving such a minor role skin

[frozen thorn]

Recker feels inconsequential. Said like 2 words the whole campaign. At least with Irish he had some character development

[celest belfry]

“Shit”

[frozen thorn]

Sorry, 1 word

[lean imp]

i guess inspired from how cod do preorder bonuses now, with iconic cod characters as preorder bonuses

[spare socket]

I feel like the only world building that made sense in the battlefield original narrative department was 2142

in a world where resources are dry due to a second ice age

[celest belfry]

Yeah but at least give more iconic skins then

[spare socket]

yeah I could see the east and west dividing and fighting eachother for the remaining resources

[lean imp]

well what do you have in mind

[frozen thorn]

I mean, if we're talking water wars its more than likely gonna be your next door neighbor than some field half way across the world

[spare socket]

Like when the world is literally: ok you need to have control over just the middle east and north africa to exist

yeah then people will kill eachother

[celest belfry]

Hannah or Irish ngl. Or Roland or Kovic

Legit Kovic had a bigger role

[solar nimbus]

Kovic would be cool

[compact musk]

Hannah would make sense considering we know she’s alive now and they decided to drop that info with the road to bf6 update specifically

[frozen thorn]

Would like to see returning characters for sure. If not, I really hope they have something decent if theyre starting from a blank slate

[celest belfry]

How is she alive?

Was she not the canon to go and use the explosive

[solar nimbus]

shes back in 2042

escaped just in time ig

[spare socket]

The world of 2142 has an ice age so bad that the north and south pole creep inward, akin to how the original ice age was due to a mass depletion of green house gases and co2 emissions from a set of devices designed to handle global warming that went wrong when done on a mass scale.

[compact musk]

It’s not explained yet but she’s the person behind the phantom program in bf2042

[lusty tree]

We need phantom program back in bf6

[lean imp]

we already got irish for 2042 but hannah, or roland or kovic would be awesome

[celest belfry]

Damn, they are really stirring all around with the story

[spare socket]

It's literally just: we need to get into north africa and the middle east to live. There are 7 billion people

[celest belfry]

Seems like they don’t really know what to make

[spare socket]

we gotta reduce the amount of people living there

[compact musk]

They don’t want to create a new timeline so they’ve crammed a lot of conflict in a few short years

[solar nimbus]

eh kinda makes sense if u read but yea it can seem overall the place

[frozen thorn]

I think it will probably start with invading the country next to you because they have more water

[solar nimbus]

like blackburn is the ceo of arkangel corporation and hes behind the creation of the clones (involved in the mass kidnapping of no-pats) but he tries to save his own ass which comes to bite him in the back

[frozen thorn]

Guy who did the Titanfall games is director, so we're hoping for something good

[lusty tree]

And cod4 and mw2

Those were very memorable

[celest belfry]

Didn’t they also recruit ex cod guy yeah

[frozen thorn]

Oh neat

[lusty tree]

And he also made warzone 2020

Or that's what they told me

[spare socket]

not really no lol

[spare socket]

water filtration has always existed. There simply isn't a market for it when the global supply of natural freshwater is so high

you can in fact filter salt water into fresh drinkable water

It's just not worth the effort or resources for any sane business in the modern era

if the world reached a point where there is a water scarcity that market would have a reason to exist

[celest belfry]

Water filtration is just a question of money

[compact musk]

But then you start fighting over who gets to own that water

Because now you’re paying someone to filter it and make it drinkable

[spare socket]

why do that when you can pivot your resources into forming a water filtration system akin to hydro plants

[frozen thorn]

I just hope it isnt just more generic war story with massive set pieces. I love the set pieces dont get me wrong, but it feels like another generic military story will be annoying. Theyve proven theyre capable with BF1 and BC, so I hope they at least have something slightly better than BF4

[spare socket]

a resource shortage of something like water only makes sense amidst an environmental crisis

[compact musk]

Can Mongolia, for example manage that themselves though? Then they become attached to a larger power like China to get a necessary resource such as water

[spare socket]

where the environment itself is to harsh to exist in due to sheer heat, extreme weather conditions, or cold

[lean imp]

well the premise definitely is like mw2 and mw3 so hopefully it got iconic and likeable characters

[lusty tree]

Ye they got their own captain price

[compact musk]

Basically small countries get screwed and it becomes a turf war of who gets to screw over which little nations

[spare socket]

because it is in fact cheaper.

Also in the case of china and the U.S these countries have the resources to invest in water filtration but again. Why do any of that for a market that doesn't exist

[frozen thorn]

What I really wanna see again is co-op mode again

Make it 4 players with a full squad

[lusty tree]

Portal horde mode

[ember scaffold]

Hmm yup true hopefully this Dagger 3-1 is like the 141

[lusty tree]

Or custom campaing in portal by community

[spare socket]

again you don't need a water filtration market when something called idk free fresh water exists for companies to sell

[lean imp]

or even better, who knows

[spare socket]

when natural fresh water sources dwindle then that opens the door for a water filtration market to exist

no sane human is investing in that rn

[frozen thorn]

I mean, if they can make it so that theres some light mission elements here and there instead of just sending all o fthe AI at once then sure, id be down

[lusty tree]

Hell yeah

[chilly shore]

Imagine Battlefield with Zombie mode

[quasi breach]

Zombiefield

[lusty tree]

Not very zombie

[celest belfry]

It kinda existed

[lusty tree]

Just pax armada running towards u with a hammer to crush your head

[celest belfry]

In 42

[quasi breach]

infected?

[frozen thorn]

Get into the heli
Fly away

[hard ravine]

I don't want a zombie mode. The only zombie games worth a damn is DayZ and Left 4 Dead

[celest belfry]

Yes, on redacted

[lean imp]

cod zombies is alright i guess

[chilly shore]

I kinda wanna see something like that again, not canon to the BF6 lore

I guess you're just a nameless grunt trying to escape or something, pick up guns and meet up with AI survivors

[spare socket]

@compact musk btw it costs between 5 to 10 dollars for 1000 gallons of fresh water via desalination

but again why spend any of that money and develop the plant for it when actual free fresh water exists

[hard ravine]

I never really got into any zombie stuff. Zombies in videogames is like basic "girls" and pumkpin spice

[lusty tree]

Pax armata with hammers 🔨

500 of them at once

Constantly reloading

Getting your head crushed ain't a n option

[spare socket]

this is also a much more popular market in some regions btw like the middle east

[lean imp]

depends tbh but some zombie games are definitely better than others

[spare socket]

anyways water rant over. Idk why but I get pressed when people mention things that make... no real logistical sense for some reason.

[frozen thorn]

Yes, and what if that free fresh water exists outside of your country's borders and you so happen to have a surplus of military armaments' compared to the country that has that water

[chilly shore]

"Protected by Javelin Anti cheat"

[spare socket]

trade.....

trade is always cheaper than war in the modern world

by a metric mile

[celest belfry]

War is better tho

[lusty tree]

Hell yeah

That was a cool demonstration

[spare socket]

war is a political agenda in the modern world it has no practical financial incentive

[celest belfry]

Good for investments

[frozen thorn]

Not unless youre a Rothschild lol

[spare socket]

this is not the same as funding militaries btw. this is its own frame of market.

Having a military and using it are 2 very different things

[lusty tree]

I want the javelin anticheat to work like, when they detect a cheater, the cheater gets jumped by 50 pax armata with hammers

[quasi breach]

only Pax will have hammers?

[frozen thorn]

Jumpscare of a dude with a hammer smashing your screen from the inside

[spare socket]

Germany is basically the titular example of how war can rail your country

hell you can even look at the winning side: britain

They literally seceded from all colonial activities because they were no longer financially sustainable because the toll of war was that bad for the central nation and its infrastructure on maintaining colonial activities

[lean imp]

britain got a hard time after ww2, lost its empire

now in bf6 itll have a hard time again

[chilly shore]

Would be a funny sight if they were greeted with a sledgehammer

[spare socket]

But hey they got 45 trillion dollars out of india

that were burned on maintaining colonial rule over india...

colonialism is more profitable than war but it too is not the most sustainable

[lean imp]

well couldve been another 45 trillion and more if they didnt lose it tbh

[spare socket]

not exactly the mine deposits, land, infrastructure, etc were all used and up in flames post ww2

[lean imp]

anyway im rooting for nato in bf6

[spare socket]

they left all colonial activities after ideal usage, and after the infrastructure post-WW2 collapsed

trade and commerce are just the most financially stable strategies in the modern world.

[celest belfry]

Being colonial is weird in this day and age

[spare socket]

it's largely because the resource rich areas (like the americas) and the economically developed regions (like India and Africa) have been drained or occupied.

[celest belfry]

Is it not the other way?

Resources and economics

The americas wouldn’t be much without foreign imports

[spare socket]

in the case of India the country went from having around 30-35% of the world's gdp

to dog water

[spare socket]

the americas were extremely resource rich compared to Europe at the time.

[frozen thorn]

What do you think would have been easier for the Dole fruit company? Do active trade with the natives on Hawaii or send like 20 guys with guns and hold their queen and gunpoint and force them to grow pineapples for free?

[spare socket]

it was large swathes of largely unoccupied land with tons of deposits for mining silver, gold, farm land, and tons of biome diversity

espeically when economies based themselves on silver and gold standards back then

[spare socket]

this was the cold war era. A lot of the U.S's decisions in this era kinda

or wait no I'm tripping