battlefield-6

[frank dust]

2,981,555 seconds until Battlefield 6.

[urban turret]

That's wrong by the current time.

[hollow harbor]

facts

[fathom trail]

https://www.countdownfiesta.com/battlefield-6

the only accurate timer

[wintry sparrow]

Not sure I want to click that.

[hollow harbor]

i clicked on it and now i have a middle aged gf !

[winged forge]

Being able to choose color filter picture settings (ex: the blue bf3, the reddish bf4, the dark bf1or5 i kinda forgot that one) would go hard

[lusty wyvern]

You guys think we will see BF6 in this months PS Showcase/SOP?

Cuz it seems like they have the marketing rights for this game

And honestly it could work like a Story Trailer for BF6 at the Event with a Portal Trailer and/or a Campaign Demo at TGS

[rustic merlin]

Probably just a basic trailer

[lusty wyvern]

Could see a Story Trailer

And a Portal Trailer at TGS

I don't think we are gonna get a Campaign demo this time

[rustic merlin]

Yea a proper Portal trailer would be pretty good at getting hype going

I hope people make a lot of cool stuff

[lusty wyvern]

So far I feel like only the Story Trailer, Portal Trailer and Launch Trailer are left

[idle kelp]

Alexa, play "Total Eclipse of the Heart" and tell me how many days are left until BF6

[maiden fog]

hi guys

oops wrong hood

[acoustic plume]

So buying phantom just for "soon" to be rare skins is just a waste?

[frosty tulip]

no preorders

[urban robin]

i prerordered, what u gonna do? 🥀

[frosty tulip]

ragebait dont interact

[urban robin]

☹️

[pliant sorrel]

Will we see the soldiers cries in the Battlefield?

[hollow harbor]

even the phantom edition doesnt let you play earlier than 10th oct

[knotty grotto]

Kj… why

[urban robin]

because battlefield is life 🥀

[frosty tulip]

maybe

[acoustic plume]

Buying a months worth of EA play pro might be the move. Their catalog is decent too (star wars)

[hollow harbor]

yes

[kind snow]

Steam is better

[hollow harbor]

they're making it clear that phantom edition is just you givng EA more money

[stable remnant]

fandom edition

[acoustic plume]

My bf career is through EA

[kind snow]

🤣 that’s crazy why do you hate steam ? I see no reason to boycott

[hollow harbor]

you can buy EA play on steam

[acoustic plume]

Been a member for a decade, why not stay where home is

[kind snow]

I’m not broke, I’d rather just buy the games to own them on the greatest gaming platform of all time named steam

[knotty grotto]

Imma keep it at this, dont wanna get banned for spamming💀

[urban robin]

🥀

i'll tell mods to ban you
||jk, pls no report||

[knotty grotto]

Reported /j

[urban robin]

😠 😠

[hollow harbor]

oh nice , i am just not paying 70$ for this game tbh

[kind snow]

I paid 60$ for phantom edition

[hollow harbor]

yeah many people think thats unjustifiable

[kind snow]

Good luck there isn’t even human moderation

[kind snow]

What is ? That’s been the base price of games for over 10 years

[hollow harbor]

not for EA

[proper hawk]

its worth it if you get a sh load of hours out of it

[kind snow]

What ?

60$ for a deluxe edition is definitely justifiable

[hollow harbor]

EA game

[urban robin]

i bought the most expensive edition of BF6, sue me

[hollow harbor]

oh wait NA gamer probably doesnt know

[acoustic plume]

After a few months this 100 is gone, then I'm gonna think will ya look at that

[knotty grotto]

Nintendo ninjas on their way rn

[pliant sorrel]

Cool, I want to see the soldiers angers too.

[kind snow]

Unless you don’t have a job I don’t see how this is a problem

[urban robin]

i'll toast them with my PSP 😳

[knotty grotto]

Can i throw my ps2 then to? Might get the ps2 back and some cash

[acoustic plume]

Paying thousands for games sound remotely ok to you?

[barren heath]

ngl they deserve it

[kind snow]

How did 100 turn into thousands

[hollow harbor]

its just that EA online live service model games

and there is zero reason why you'd buy a game like this day 1

the game will have more content as time goes on

[acoustic plume]

Open your eyes theres a low return on investment here

[hollow harbor]

where your 60$ would provide more value

[urban robin]

BIG DAWG 🔥

[hollow harbor]

again if you can afford it go ahead

[bronze grail]

60$ goes towards Andrew Wilson's new yacht!

[hollow harbor]

we're just saying whats worth or whats not

[kind snow]

Most people make $100 in 1/3rd of a day who cares even if you only put in 100 hours that’s still 10x the enjoyment compared to how long it took to make lmao

So once again unless you don’t have a job I don’t see how this is a problem

[hollow harbor]

you're assuming everyone has the same income

100$ in 1/3rd a day ?

what is bro a 4 figure gamer

[bronze grail]

Out of touch

Wowie

[kind snow]

Even minimum wage makes 100$ a day 🤔 how is that out of touch

[hollow harbor]

there are better words to use

[bronze grail]

You just said 100$ in 1/3rd of a day

[hollow harbor]

but we better not get rage baited

[bronze grail]

Not 100$ in a day

[hollow harbor]

this is advanced rage baiting

[bronze grail]

If you're gonna bait, be consistent at least

[kind snow]

I said even right before that for a reason 🤦‍♂️

[bronze grail]

🤨

[hollow harbor]

🧓

[kind snow]

Reading comprehension must be going down 😱

[hollow harbor]

the de de

[acoustic plume]

Its always good to put money elsewhere bud

[urban robin]

ppl spend on alcohol and drugs... i spend on games

[kind snow]

So your saying in the 3+ months the game has been announced you couldn’t save 70$ maybe you have bigger problems then worrying about game prices

[cold panther]

maybe he thinks it's not worth

[acoustic plume]

Atleast every so often

[distant pendant]

$70 is still less than the cost of going out to a bar once lmao

the ROI on fun in a game is much higher

[urban robin]

that's what i mean, there are people who spend on intoxicants that can harm their lives, whereas buying games don't really impact your lives because they're not intoxicants

[acoustic plume]

Lol

[urban robin]

so if you're saying don't preorder... maybe tell that to people to stop spending on intoxicants instead

you save money that way 😁

i get that, im just telling him there are people who spend so much money on intoxicants... whereas telling other people to not preorder cos "that money could be used elsewhere" is just silly

[distant pendant]

yeah i agree, as I said a few messages ago, a single night out at a bar would run you more than $70 lmao

[acoustic plume]

3 if its a good week

4

[urban robin]

yeah 🤣 my friends who got intoxicated really bad didn't realise they were ordering 8 pizzas...

and yes, i said the plural, cos they were planning it together ☠️

[urban robin]

preorder a game instead cuh

[acoustic plume]

The game can wait just keeping it a stack. This catalog is too fye

[urban robin]

btw nice tag next to your username... that kitten 🤣 pretty random of me, had to say it lol

[acoustic plume]

Ever swam? @urban robin

Not in water terms

[urban robin]

idk

tell me what you mean 😆

if its not water terms

[acoustic plume]

Its 11:11 make a wish

[acoustic plume]

@urban robin

[urban robin]

is it bad that i don't have any wish? 🥀

[acoustic plume]

You're content. I'm sure if I ask you again something will come up

[urban robin]

yeah, im content. i don't really have something to look for... im just vibing 🗣️

[rustic ingot]

Hear me out, BF6 with insurgency sandstorm like dismemberment. There would be limbs flying everywhere

[thin scarab]

So what is the word on EOMM? Is that the reason we aren’t getting server browser

[white moss]

That should have happened in BF1 if it hasn't already.

[thin scarab]

We know that’s an EA specialty

[rustic ingot]

Even if the similar option to turn it on/off for those who are scared of it would be fine. Not to sound like a psychopath but it just brings a lot to immersion seeing your buddy in the window get turned into an exploded ketchup packet on the wall

[white moss]

Oh it does. It was brutal looking in world at war. I do as well enjoy my gore in gaming.

[rustic ingot]

Just an idea that always lingered, and now Im playing Sandstorm again to hold me over lol

[white moss]

Just play Bf6? ||I wish||

[proper hawk]

insurgency? didnt the servers shut down

[granite obsidian]

its probably a combination of a lot of factors. newer gamers haven't used server browsers before, they just want to click play. matchmaking keeps server costs down and avoids games that aren't filled with players (messing up the balance of the game). team balance should be better in theory

[olive basalt]

Yeah, and one defib or syringe later and the limbs magically reattach

[granite obsidian]

and you can just do something like 2042's portal which makes up for server browser for most people

[kind snow]

No?

[thin scarab]

And EOMM. EAs famous for that one haha. Can’t do that with a server browser

[sudden prism]

crazy the real cod killer was cod itself

is too big to fail eh

usin AI to build their games now

[craggy tapir]

Not sure about the original, but insurgency sandstorm is still alive and extremely active

[craggy tapir]

You know something is cooked when the makers say it’s “too big to fail”

[bronze grail]

Sbmm when ea

[kind snow]

Are you ready or not ?

[kind snow]

Bf6 already has a type of sbmm

[bronze grail]

How do you know?

[kind snow]

Since they said it in a article

[bronze grail]

Can you please link it?

[neat sorrel]

Hi I wanna share my clips in this server how ??

[slow sedge]

Why is it showing BF6 10% off on steam right now 🧐

[broken cedar]

It's not?

[slow sedge]

is for me lol

[broken cedar]

Just checked for me and it's not, that's weird

[sudden prism]

they not even trying to be cod anymore while fans want to play cod lol they even sabotaged their older games not fixing hacks and security issues

[sudden prism]

wait what

[broken cedar]

If it was I'd definitely be tempted to pre-purchase

[slow sedge]

I think its just steam bug on the store page

[broken cedar]

Give us a discount on preorders and then it makes sense

[sudden prism]

lies

[broken cedar]

Yeah it's probably a bug on crossfire's end

[slow sedge]

yeah its showing 10% off on the store but full price on the bf6 page rip

[broken cedar]

but fr tho if there was a 10% discount I'd be tempted to preorder, then at least I'm getting something tangible for pre-purchasing the game

[kind snow]

Don’t turn off the ping I don’t check chat 24/7 😅

[worn marten]

say that again

[sudden prism]

if they had 10% off i'd buy it right now

[bronze grail]

[kind snow]

Always sad to see console people needing to pay full price 😭

[broken cedar]

RN there's no reason to preorder until the pre-load period

and even then I'm not gonna as I've got a fast internet connection and I wanna see the big maps with the whites of my eyes

[kind snow]

Exactly, I’ll buy other games in the mean time, I preorder games 1/2 days before they come out

[broken cedar]

I'm gonna hold off until I see big maps, but I can't blame people who played the beta and enjoyed it a lot for preordering

[urban robin]

Germany is coming

[broken cedar]

like, you've gotten to play a demo basically. If you liked the demo and have the money, no reason not to buy

It's very different than preordering a game you haven't played at all

[kind snow]

KJ quick name 10 games I should buy and play that are coming out soon

[urban robin]

GTA 6
Battlefield 6
Star Citizen
Football Manager 2026
EAFC 26
Euro Truck Simulator 2: Iceland

idk about other 5 upcoming games sir

[worn marten]

basically my approach too. I love small maps but if the bigger ones still feel too small, then the option for more vehicle centric combined arms would feel lesser, and I'd very much like that still

[sudden prism]

then you got 007 having a identity crisis as hitman

[kind snow]

Already have the top 3

[kind snow]

I got that one for free lucky me

Someone shared 500 steam codes on 4chan

[urban robin]

dang dawg, same here

[worn marten]

How nice

[broken cedar]

GTA6 not coming out on PC at launch as usual

[sudden prism]

i wont even play it even if its free

[kind snow]

Star citizen peak

[broken cedar]

Star Citizen expensive

[kind snow]

Why ? Seems like a fun game even if it’s a copy

[urban robin]

hell yeah

[kind snow]

It’s 40$

[sudden prism]

blah

[worn marten]

It’s not the game’s price that makes it expensive

[broken cedar]

To get a ship you can keep you have to pay real money

[worn marten]

It’s the pc required

[kind snow]

No …

[sudden prism]

what if you have to use real id's in game

[kind snow]

Can run it on a 3060

[urban robin]

not really, you can buy them in-game

obviously there are wipes but that's to be expected cos it ain't a full release game let alone beta

[kind snow]

Yea the last wipe lasted 2 years

Most ships take under 14 days to get

[urban robin]

yup, man star citizen is such a beautiful game when it's working properly...

[kind snow]

At least pyro solar flares are gonna be added soon I hope …

[urban robin]

had a lot of moments i wish i could explore irl, i.e. going from earth to a moon

[worn marten]

Just couldn’t find the fun in it when I tried it during those free trial periods

[kind snow]

I still wanna know if SOL is still planned

[broken cedar]

It's the fact that I know I'll lose all my shit on wipe that makes me not wanna play

[urban robin]

understandable, it's certainly a big game so you'll need to find something to keep you hooked

[broken cedar]

If I had friends that played regularly I'd be more interested for sure, but solo I'm not feeling it

[kind snow]

Free flys are the worst and make the game look horrendous im surprised they still do them it just leads to 1 million people spawning ships bogging down the servers causing a shit ton of a bugs

[urban robin]

well, you might need to wait for full release which might be years away 🥀

[kind snow]

I mean being wiped doesn’t effect you much you can get the best ships very fast

[broken cedar]

It's more a mental thing for me, it makes me not want to grind for them

[kind snow]

Pretty sure you can still rent a torus for 180k at orison for 3 days

[broken cedar]

Same way that Destiny 2 sunsetting the Recluse made me no longer want to play that game. Grinding for stuff in games that can be taken away at any point just turns me off of the whole experience

[worn marten]

Yea, I’ve tried many space games but they all just lack a certain something to latch onto.

No mans sky, elite, space engineers, starmade, eve. It feels like I just can’t find any that really has long term fun in it that matches my interests :(

[broken cedar]

X4 is fun

[worn marten]

Cause to enjoy no mans sky you need to enjoy building and environmental appreciation, for elite you need to like isolation, long journeys and material grinds, starmade and space engineers you need to enjoy creation, I couldn’t really grasp what it was that star citizen asks of you to enjoy it fully

[urban robin]

yeah 🤣 that's pretty much how space games are. i mean in star citizen you can do ground missions, like racing. but obviously because it's pretty huge.. sometimes you need more time just to play, and i know not a lot of people have time to play 🥀

[iron girder]

the only reason I preorddered so fast was because after the beta they said they were going to add more large scail maps that and plus the leaks of the maps, so that most of the new maps will be large scail all out warfare style maps so i mean that got me hyped, well that and they nerfed the shot gun THANK GOD

[urban robin]

now please release battlefield 6, because i am emotionally and mentally starved, and battlefield 6 can feed my needs

[worn marten]

I just can't often enjoy the little side things that these games tend to have. It needs to be a strong, core gameplay loop that makes it fun. Even if it's one that stems from those sub-features, but has enough depth to be its own thing. Which is something NMS struggles with greatly

[worn marten]

I'd highly recommend not just giving into what they say though and actually waiting for proof that the maps will be what you want first

[iron girder]

Honestly, I wanna learn to be a good tank player, I mastered jets and helis in every battlefield game I have played (besides 2042 because that game just failed in my eyes its not a true battlefield game to me) so I wanna switch it up and try playing tanks more this time around

[urban robin]

i see where you're coming from... well, if you want core gameplay loops, i think you should wait until star citizen hits full launch. that way, all gameplay loops are already established and the game will be a bit more stable (and fun)

[urban robin]

don't get me started about BF2042..... i question my soul why it's even a battlefield game in the first place

[worn marten]

big teams, lots of vehicles, big maps, if it didn't have the characters and was actually designed with semblance of balance in mind it may have gone differently

[broken cedar]

yeah if they didn't do operators (and had the basics of a BF game in place) it wouldn't be so bad

no scoreboard was such a weird decision

[worn marten]

the overcorrection on agency was easily the single thread that bound every poor decision it had

that alongside it's tonal inconsistency and you had a pretty miserable game to play

[urban robin]

who the hell ghost pinged me

[worn marten]

Sammy's message got deleted I believe

it was a reply to you

[urban robin]

oh, @iron girder what did you say

[iron girder]

wait why? what did I say that was so wrong?

[urban robin]

who knows

ahhh okay, yeah i agree. BF6 beta for once felt like a battlefield game (except that we're fighting on very short maps... but that will change when the game comes out i think)

[broken cedar]

I'd appreciate it as well

[iron girder]

sure

[broken cedar]

ok that one I can see why mods deleted it lol

[errant fiber]

Hello.

To be honest, I do sort of hope we don't have every desirable weapon at day 1. Yes, it'd be nice from a DPM standpoint, but once that has diminished it'd probably get rather stagnant. I'd much prefer to see like 7-8 guns per category and then have additional weapons added in the (presumably) battle pass or (preferably) expansions.

[broken cedar]

Hopefully not weapons in the battle pass please

[errant fiber]

I unfortunately expect at least some to be added as part of the battle passes.

There's quite a few weapons I'd like to see, but I would rather have them sprinkled out over the game's lifetime than all available to unlock from day 1.

[trail mica]

hi, its says free pass but im playing against bots why it doesnt count?

[errant fiber]

Usually you have to play PvP for it to count towards the pass iirc.

[trail mica]

uh

[broken cedar]

Per the FAQ:

Will Battlefield 6 have DLC?

Battlefield 6 will receive content updates on a consistent, seasonal basis. All gameplay-impacting content (weapons, gadgets, maps, etc) will be free or earnable for players and will not require them to spend money.

so cautiously optimistic

[errant fiber]

This man did the research, thank you, Ninjastahr.

[tight prism]

Hi chat why is this game so good

[zealous shore]

Cause you want it to be

[tight prism]

I am going to abandon COD for Battlefield

Give us a Battle Royale without Nicki Minaj and I am sold

[rose inlet]

Same here

[tight prism]

I just hope they give us the ability to pick our own team, so we can play with people that have their mic enabled

[granite obsidian]

EOMM is probably harder to do the more players you have. I don't think it can be done well in 32v32. And tbh, I hope they make some sort of smart matchmaking that goes beyond a single number. If I were making a system, I would do things like split good jet pilots on different teams etc

[thin scarab]

SBMM is awful. Team balancing is fine.

[granite obsidian]

what's the difference

[thin scarab]

Making the whole lobby match your skill level

[granite obsidian]

ah ok

[thin scarab]

It ruined cod too

[granite obsidian]

ngl, team balancing would fall under EOMM in my head because the lobbies are unbalanced and can lead to different levels of games for you. leads to more engagement and less balanced teams because you can get into a lobby where you are the best or bottom 50% depending on whoever is qing. it's more streaky just like EOMM. it's fine though and works in BF

[elfin arch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ObksONx_5tQ?si=5MnPMCPv9SQRjlaq

[granite obsidian]

glad they aren't caving into the community for this one. open weapons is definitely the better system

[elfin arch]

Hmmmm. Maybe give the option? Have game modes with both?

[granite obsidian]

they are doing that, but I'm glad they are focusing on open

not that it's much different anyway with how closed weapons had shared carbines and shit anyway

but I definitely found myself enjoying the open weapon system more. you can be more creative with your choices and versatile as a player

[trail mica]

till which date i can preorder bf6?

[dusty slate]

oct 10th

[royal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-donovan-showtime-liev-schreiber-bring-it-on-baseball-bat-gif-5701373

[stable remnant]

closed weapons isnt closed, so, its pointless. Thats not the closed weapon system people asked for

[lyric roost]

cant wait for some gun to be OP and 100% of the lobby run it

[proper hawk]

M4a1

[balmy tartan]

I mean. I didn't dislike the open weapon system.

I think there should be the option for closed though

For the people who want to experience the game that way.

I think having both would be a good compromise lol

[lyric roost]

its just a bit less fun when everyone has the best weapon for every map

[balmy tartan]

Nah I get that a lot of people are rightfully worried BF6 is going to be too fast paced and that it's gonna become the next CoD

[lyric roost]

atleast they nerfed movement

[balmy tartan]

As they should.

I didn't play with cross play so I thankfully didn't have to deal with any of the PC sweats

But if I ever ran into someone who just, didn't go outside I just left lol

Mind you the only experience I have with the Battlefield series is playing 1942 on an old laptop, and playing 1943 on the PS3 when it was still big

[spare socket]

Bro Activision turned down Steven Spielberg to direct the COD movie and handed it over to flipping paramount ☠️

Ah yeah let’s just not have the guy who handled the inception of Medal of Honor 💀

[balmy tartan]

So I don't have much of a history with the series as some do. I'm definitely a new gen battlefield player and I'm ok with that lol

[spare socket]

The movement nerfs largely remove bunny hopping and slide cancelling. They also demote spam since doing them will put you at a disadvantage in mid to long range gun fights.

They’re not removed per se but adjusted to be more tactful decisions

[balmy tartan]

I still know how to play the objective better than 98% of the players on the PS5 beta servers.

"No let's not sit at our objective and defend it I gotta get frags"

[spare socket]

It’s a very dynamic thing tbf

You shouldn’t just sit at one obj. Moving between obj, repairing vehicles, revives, healing/ammo, cover, spawn beacon placement, moving to a new objective, making a distraction at one objective with your squad so your team can get another, smokes to go past lines of fire and set up at better positions

Playing the objective optimally is situationally specific and requires understanding of the game state as a whole

[balmy tartan]

True.

I guess it's just when I played BF6 I was very, very careful because I hadn't played an FPS like it in ages (I primarily play TF2, Boomer shooter) and the funnest part was just getting to hold down a choke point with nothing but an LMG and hopes and dreams.

[balmy aurora]

With your squad?? Not sure which game you're playing but unless you're with some friends there is no squad...

[spare socket]

I usually play with friends

[broken cedar]

I dislike open weapons because it makes classes feel very samey, plus it discourages squad play

[broken cedar]

in the beta I just joined up with randoms and quite frequently either used mics or text chat to coordinate

[balmy aurora]

I don't, and one of my friends is waiting for bf6 while I'm not interested

[spare socket]

I actually am chill with open SMGs and ARs.

SMGs being engineer only largely makes a lot of engineers run carbines or DMRs often. It never really defined the class too much.

I’m not really chill with LMGs and Snipers. Especially snipers.

Snipers being on an assault with a spawn beacon and a shotgun is stupid

☠️ truly insane cook there by dice

[broken cedar]

that's fair

TBH carbines being swapped to engi with PDWs being the "open" one could make sense

[spare socket]

I would just class restrict snipers to recon and LMGs to support.

BARE MINIMUM snipers should be recon only imo

Snipers are by far the most defining weapon type by a mile

And putting that on some classes like assault feels imbalanced

[granite obsidian]

2042 is open and gun balance is the one thing that's not too bad rn

[spare socket]

💀

[lyric roost]

gun balance wasn't there on release, sure years later it may be ok

[granite obsidian]

there's so many guns used. no lobby is dominated by one gun

[balmy tartan]

To be honest I only used carbines on Assault and then I switched back to ARs cause I wanted to get the LVL 20. I used all of the classes with their respective weapons. Medic was a lotta fun with LMGS.

[granite obsidian]

but it proves open weapon system can be balanced

[broken cedar]

Balancing guns for open weapons means you can't have one weapon type be particularly strong

[balmy tartan]

Setting up a wall and getting supplies down before just unloading into a few spots was always fun

[spare socket]

Ah yeah my scar with 3 grenade attachments, a suppressor+compensator, 3 sights, and a 40+30+20 round mag @granite obsidian

[spare socket]

Runs the ammo box for the support and a single box instantly refunds you 4 nades

Are we playing the same game?

Cuz 2042’s weapon balance is ass

[granite obsidian]

K2000, PP-29, M5, all has their place

[spare socket]

The majority of weapons have minimal recoil due to the map design too

[spare socket]

So the top few weapons dominate a sandbox in niches

[granite obsidian]

and Scar isn't 100% lobbying servers. its prob not even 20%

thast was just some examples

lots more guns have their place too

it has more guns played than any closed system BF rn

[spare socket]

I would say MTAR, scar, the avancys, and a few SMGs are the overall best weapons.

Theres that one full auto dmr, the svk, and some snipers

Frankly 2042’s overall sandbox balance is out a window with the plus system alone

It makes some weapons far too flexible and modular to a situation

[crimson gate]

Open system is only balanced because everyone runs the same 3 guns regardless of class

[lyric roost]

^

[spare socket]

With the rare dmr or sniper gamer

[spare socket]

It’s more like 8 guns with some budget weapons

[lyric roost]

I was running the mp7 on the beta because it was OP Af

running it on basically everything

[broken cedar]

that is completely untrue

[spare socket]

The m4a1 was better than the smgs tbh

While the SMGs were more flexible the m4 had a faster fire rate, better control, and higher damage overall

[lyric roost]

nah the mp7 was so good, fast ttk and super accurate

[crimson gate]

I was an mp7 enjoyer as well

[spare socket]

The ttk is notably slower than the m4

The mp7 was valid in that it was super flexible

[granite obsidian]

looking at what's killing me in each lobby, the variety of weapons is the most. maybe BF1 is fine, haven't played it in a while

[spare socket]

The hip fire, sprint and walk to fire speed, recoil, and ads speed were goated

[crimson gate]

It had really tight recoil and was stupidly viable at longer ranges

[spare socket]

Given the m4 imo needs a nerf

[granite obsidian]

lmk what BF has more weapons being played right now effectively and has better balance

[spare socket]

Bf4’s weapons sandbox is pretty diverse imo.

It’s largely because there’s more variance in the recoil and accuracy departments

Yes you could choose the fastest ttk gun but that shizz is usually dog water in the recoil or accuracy departments

[granite obsidian]

okay so its not due to the closed weapon system?

[spare socket]

It’s both

Also tbf snipers in general shouldn’t be on a class that can dual wield guns and run a spawn beacon

Bare minimum the game should restrict snipers to the recon with bf6

[crimson gate]

In a world with meta weapons a closed system means more guns will be used by default unless the meta is carbines

[granite obsidian]

i cant wait to run sniper/ar

[lyric roost]

and shotguns to assault

[spare socket]

The other weapon classes are far less definitive

[granite obsidian]

its gonna be great

[spare socket]

This is the problem ☠️

[lyric roost]

otherwise theres gonna be a mini map sometime and the entire lobby will run shotguns

[granite obsidian]

running out of ammo every couple of minutes

[spare socket]

Ah yeah lemme run a sniper+another gun for CQC and have a spawn beacon

[granite obsidian]

it won't be a problem. people suck at sniping

[lyric roost]

they really need to balance snipers a bit as well

you just cant challenge them at all

[spare socket]

Bf6 has the easiest sniping since the arcadey battlefields that lack bullet drop and bullet travel

[granite obsidian]

and you're giving up a lot of crazy things not playing recon. the 1 shot hs kills is huge

[spare socket]

The range finder, the bullet speed, and the bullet drop of bf6 are far easier than every battlefield since bad company 2

Easy sniping+a spawn beacon+dual wield weapons is not fine 💀

[granite obsidian]

it will prob be easier, but I also think they are just making everything kinda OP compared to other BF. there can be a balance when everything is busted

[spare socket]

This dude has some insane takes

[pseudo sluice]

From what I'm seeing it seems like people who play in a party with friends like closed weapons and people who play alone like open weapons because they don't/can't really rely on people near them

[lyric roost]

they need to up the vehicle game as well

[spare socket]

I actually don’t mind open weapons. I just think snipers shouldn’t be on the assault class especially when assaults are getting the spawn beacon

[granite obsidian]

the only problem it will be is having a bunch of teammates trying to live their sniper dreams and failing the team like usual. the dual wield will actually make them slightly more impactful and the more I think about it lmao

[spare socket]

The sniper is by far the most class defining weapon in the sandbox

Put it on the recon.

[lyric roost]

Only way to balance the ar/ sniper combo is a vehicle heavy map so people go engineer

[spare socket]

Everything else idrc

[granite obsidian]

nah its fine. recon 1shot hs is insane]

[balmy tartan]

I think recon needs to have more shake when he gets hit while zoomed in.

[spare socket]

https://youtu.be/mbwqXCyHQwk?si=riqk0VA-5xXDFcr_

there is no realm where this sniper is “hard”

[spare socket]

You must be tripping balls if you think this is hard

[tight prism]

Even though Infiltrator Recon will be nerfed by the beacon change, sniper is not really class defining on recon, but I do agree that a sniper has very little if any place with any other class. Especially medics.

[granite obsidian]

im an excellent sniper, it's def hard seeing as how bottom of the barrel snipers are in BF games

[balmy tartan]

It was very frustrating to repeatedly hit a recon only to get domed because they just have no shake.

[spare socket]

??????

[crimson gate]

The recon perks aren’t good enough to give up the spawn beacon for most players

[lyric roost]

yeah recons should get accuracy supression if they're scoped

[spare socket]

Bf games post the arcadey shooter era of battlefield 2 all had notable bullet drop and bullet travel for the snipers (2042 having the least due to the map sizes/desifn)

Brother what battlefield games have you even been playing ☠️

[granite obsidian]

proving my point watching this man snipe 😂

[spare socket]

I’m merely giving a visual example

[granite obsidian]

are you frequently getting domianted by teams of people runnign snipers?

[spare socket]

I can’t really provide my own gameplay

[granite obsidian]

in any BF game?

[lyric roost]

I mean ive been full held easy vs a sniper heavy team

[spare socket]

It’s not a problem now because people didn’t figure out the range finder.

Also you are forced to run smokes on liberation peak to survive tbh

[granite obsidian]

even if BF6 snipers are easier, they're not a problem

[balmy tartan]

NYC gave me PTSD

[spare socket]

You’re tripping

[granite obsidian]

Liberation Peak, the map where you see 10 giant glint stars and properly ignore them for the rest of the game?

[lyric roost]

even smokes dont matter too much if theres enough snipers

[granite obsidian]

because you just win the game if they are doing that lol

[lyric roost]

the 1 hit kill range there is again stupid like it was stupid last time, sniping has been made so much easier

[spare socket]

Liberation peak is a good map ruined by attachments that turn all the guns into laser beams and sniping being the easiest in the entire modern era of battlefield games

[kind snow]

Bullet speed is so slow that it doesnt matter lol

[kind snow]

No more beams after the update

[lyric roost]

no drop and 1 hit kill non head shots lmao

[spare socket]

The former issue is seemingly addressed

But the latter is still a problem.

[kind snow]

Its just a nerf for console players lmao

[balmy tartan]

Was it really that bad? I honestly never noticed. But I guess I was on Console.

[granite obsidian]

idk what trauma snipers have caused you but you need to reassess what is actually a problem and has impact in the game

[spare socket]

It mostly just increases the skill gap

[spare socket]

Dual wielding a sniper and a shotgun with a spawn beacon is a problem

[kind snow]

Single fire mode is much easier to spam on pc then console

[spare socket]

To say otherwise and say “I think imbalance is fine cuz we can make everything imbalanced” is insane

[kind snow]

It has little no no bloom

[spare socket]

Tbh elite controllers are about on par in my experience with both

[balmy tartan]

Yeah that isn't exactly fair. Snipers are supposed to be weak when faced head on. Giving them a shotgun just breaks that balance.

[spare socket]

I run controllers for platformers and fighters

[granite obsidian]

every other class is stronger. recon will still be the go to sniping class. support will be the best class in the game with ammo/health/walls. engi will be engi

assault isn't going to be any more busted than everything else going on. the balance has changed but it can still be balanced

[spare socket]

Brother if you remove a sniper as an option from the assault tell me how a class with:
the best solo capabilities
A spawn beacon
Dual primaries

Is bad

[lyric roost]

I mean im pretty sure assault with double guns + beacon will be the op one

[spare socket]

There is no way you’re coping hard enough to say removing the sniper entirely from assault ruins the class

[granite obsidian]

I didn't say it's bad lmao

[spare socket]

And I wouldn’t go so far to say every class is stronger

[granite obsidian]

I'm saying it's not a problem in the grand scheme of balance and everything being jacked up

[spare socket]

Arguably the recon is in the pits after the loss of the spawn beacon

The UAV is goated tho

But besides that giving the strongest gadget from the recon to the most picked class in the beta with the best solo option and breaching tools (hammer and ladder)

Yeah assault is the dedicated push leader by a mile

It’s not even close. On infantry maps you would run 2 assaults and 2 supports

[granite obsidian]

you're going to see like 10% less recon as they will play assault sniper and your teammates might actually move a little more, running out of ammo and using their 2nd primary

and recon will just be the best its ever been still with 1shots

[spare socket]

Throw in a recon or engineer or 2 for their c-4 and rockets/repair tool to handle vehicles or play vehicles on those particular maps

But there is almost no reason to run recon at launch with open weapons.

The UAV is its biggest saving grace

[granite obsidian]

1 shot

one

shots

[spare socket]

That any class can have

The only thing distinct about recon’s is the perma kill to the head

[granite obsidian]

there's a lot more resing and fewer deaths in BF6 than something like 2042. 1 shots are going to be insane

[broken cedar]

they're straight not

[spare socket]

If you only played 128 sure ig

[granite obsidian]

look at a BF6 scoreboard vs 2042. look down the death counts. it's lower in BF6, 1 shotting is going to be value

[broken cedar]

Also comparing to 2042 is such a bad comparison, any competent game can be better than 2042

a more accurate comparison would be to 3, 4, or BC2 because those are the games DICE said they took inspiration from

[granite obsidian]

open weapon is really the way to play this game. v glad they are going down this route. everything is going to feel stronger and more impactful in the right hands, playstyles will be more versatile

[spare socket]

I'm cool with most weapons being open. Not snipers

[broken cedar]

bro straight saying shit after only playing 2042

[spare socket]

name a map in battlefield 4 rn

[granite obsidian]

and the slow ass bf uncs can stay in closed weapons and fiddle around with their unbalanced mess

[spare socket]

you got 15 seconds none of that google nonsense

[granite obsidian]

caspian border lmao what

metro firestorm shanghai

[spare socket]

[granite obsidian]

i played the 2042 beta but did not even buy the game. i picked it up a few days ago and its the easiest reference for people

[craggy tapir]

What is considered one of the worst maps in 4 but is still used a lot

[broken cedar]

I'm playing it RN and it's cheeks

[granite obsidian]

BF2042 maps are DOGSHIT tho

the worst of any BF, tho they are a little better than I remember

[broken cedar]

They added cover since the beta

back in the beta it was featureless basically

[lyric roost]

imagine maps being so bad you have to add cover lmao

[spare socket]

2042's map design, weapon balance, plus system, specialist system, easy recoil+bloom (due to the maps being so large), aerial vehicles being way too strong, and tanks being easy to blow up thanks to a certain specialist are generally the main issues with 2042 imo

[worn marten]

the focus on agency over restriction to create actual meaningful choice

[spare socket]

the fact c-5 is on assault, recon, and engineer is insane too

[craggy tapir]

128 was also a major problem until they switched back to 64 being the default

[spare socket]

I can literally detail a list of production reasons why bf2042 failed, screw it I'll do it rn

[granite obsidian]

freedom of open weapon system vs shackles of closed

[worn marten]

not even weapons, they were the least offensive part of it all. Basically every other area of the game that was touched by this design approach

[granite obsidian]

BF6 or 2042? we can all agree 2042 sucks, but the weapon system isn't why

[runic venture]

closed weapons is what makes the classes, the classes they are. open weapons is 2042 slop and should not exist

[craggy tapir]

Closed weapons just makes you have to macro manage more

[worn marten]

2042
6 already has elements of the old design in it, but 2042's complete shift to agency butchered it, as you well know

[craggy tapir]

I’m not for or against it. It does help define classes a lot better though

[broken cedar]

Limiting choice frequently causes more interesting and varied decisions by necessity.

[velvet kernel]

i just respawned with the ammo I had when I died, full respawn on squad member from deploy map, had like 8 rounds left then had to reload, wtf?

[granite obsidian]

another bf unc imprisoned by this thought. its just not right

[runic venture]

why pick recon to snipe when i can pick support and both health+replenish ammo to my sniper

totally breaks the whole dynamic

[granite obsidian]

opening up choices causes more interesting and creative decisions

[broken cedar]

Source? You made it the fuck up

[broken cedar]

Surface-level it'd appear that way, but then why do classes exist?

[lyric roost]

Saying that like everyone doesnt just pick the strongest gun with the strongest attachments

[granite obsidian]

closed weapon system forces people to play classes they don't want to because of weapon choice. its not creative or varied

[runic venture]

keep this to CoD, locked weapons are part of the classes in battlefield, 2042 butchered this

[granite obsidian]

its the one good thing 2042 did, BF6 is just improving on it

[spare socket]

The various production issues of 2042:
-The game lead hired for 2042 was the game lead for flipping candy crush mobile. They wanted a yes man to approve executive decisions
-The game initially was to be a BR but due to Apex EA didn't want to compete with their own IP so shifted to specialists and an extraction shooter
-The game wanted to be on xbox one and ps4 amidst covid. As a result the game devs had to lease the operating system from microsoft and sony to stream the xbox one, ps4, ps5, and series X operating systems on their pcs when handling those verisons. This led to multiple builds of the game that had to be merged together.
-The game had 1 year and 3 months of post-production time so it was all hands on deck. It resulted in battlefield 5 and battlefront 2 losing post-launch support.
-Executives thought the team were "ahead of schedule" based on flipping concept art and not the actual game... So they saw no reason to post pone the launch and make share holders mad.
-most of DICE's veteran devs left the studio after battlefield 5's creative issues with executives. As a result the frostbite engine which hadn't been updated since 2016 needed new devs to update it for 2042.

[runic venture]

why restrict gadgets? why cant i have recon drone on my engineer? why cant my assault have stinger? same argument same horrible idea

[craggy tapir]

BF Games that have had a fully locked weapon system: every game besides for 4, 2042, and 6
BF Games that have a semi-locked weapon system: 4 & 6
BF Games that have a fully unlocked weapon system: 2042

[broken cedar]

Why not allow anyone to pick any set of gadgets?

[granite obsidian]

and now one of the GOATs Vince Zampella is steering BF6 on the right path... with open weapon system

[lyric roost]

any path is the right path after 2042

[runic venture]

why stop there, why cant i use my Pax Armata skins on my Nato guys? I want creative and varied gameplay here

[granite obsidian]

y'all can say what you want, but here's the thing, straight from DICE, closed weapon system has always had the same problem: "What we've seen in the past is that locking weapons behind Classes means that players become locked to a Class that they might not want to play, just for a specific weapon. Our current thinking is return to Classes via Class Equipment and Gadgets while keeping weaponry available for all."

[lyric roost]

Infact I want to play as scooby doo, make a scooby doo skin

[errant fiber]

Delete this before DICE gets wind of it.

[spare socket]

Vince made a lot of good decisions for bf6 I won't lie. But I'm not a fan of fully open weapons and some other interesting decisiosn. At the very least snipers should be recon only.

[lyric roost]

I want my m1a1 to have flames coming out of it and make pew pew noises

[granite obsidian]

that's why

[broken cedar]

You must make choices, oh no!

[runic venture]

maybe the one unc at dice wanting a sniper on his support so he doesnt run out of ammo, but closed weapons are a part of the class system

[granite obsidian]

"What we've seen in the past is that locking weapons behind Classes means that players become locked to a Class that they might not want to play, just for a specific weapon. Our current thinking is return to Classes via Class Equipment and Gadgets while keeping weaponry available for all." a great win for FREEDOM and EXPRESSION of open weapon system

[lyric roost]

Dice havent seen anything lmao, the people who made 5 arent the same devs today

[errant fiber]

God forbid a player has to make a choice 👻

[spare socket]

real

[granite obsidian]

funny, when I loaded BF6 closed weapons were not a part of the class system. 🤔

[broken cedar]

wow, copy-pasting the same thing really makes it mean more the second time!

[runic venture]

this argument is flawed. Why cant i use tugs on Engineer?

[granite obsidian]

"What we've seen in the past is that locking weapons behind Classes means that players become locked to a Class that they might not want to play, just for a specific weapon. Our current thinking is return to Classes via Class Equipment and Gadgets while keeping weaponry available for all."

[lyric roost]

infact the only thing they've seen is 2042 which they made and gutten battlefront 2 and bf5 for

[spare socket]

yo can you do it like 2 more times real quick

maybe 3 just in case

[granite obsidian]

np king

[errant fiber]

I really, really do not care in the slightest for what excuse there is for it. I still think it is stupid and shouldn't be a thing.

[craggy tapir]

I understand their reasons behind it. That’s why Idrc

I can see why others are mad though. Classes have always been defined by Weapons + Gadgets. The devs could use weapon balance to nerf a class instead of nerfing their gadgets

And before anyone says that 4 was basically unlocked, 4 had a terribly balanced weapon system

[granite obsidian]

"What we've seen in the past is that locking weapons behind Classes means that players become locked to a Class that they might not want to play, just for a specific weapon. Our current thinking is return to Classes via Class Equipment and Gadgets while keeping weaponry available for all."

[broken cedar]

oh the third time convinced me, how about we add the plus system back in so you don't even need to choose your attachments! FREEDOM and EXPRESSION of LITERALLY ANYTHING!

[runic venture]

please explain to me why gadgets are locked. i dont want to play recon to use his drone. why are they locked?

[spare socket]

||waits for auto mod||

[lyric roost]

because dice has never been wrong before 🙄

[spare socket]

@granite obsidian 2-3 more times my king

[balmy aurora]

I mean, bf6 gets BR because of the cod fanboys and streamers...
Doesn't mean the game will be the next big thing

[spare socket]

[granite obsidian]

a lot of shit coming at me for players shackled to the thought that bf isn't great without closed weapon system 💀

[lyric roost]

why tf are they hopping on the br wagon again they've failed like twice

[craggy tapir]

I’m still mad at the plus system. It removed the little macro choices we had left since you could completely change your weapon layout on the fly

[lyric roost]

is this the first time you've ever typed shackled before you like to type a lot today

[granite obsidian]

i can't even read all this shit. let's let DICE do the talking. "What we've seen in the past is that locking weapons behind Classes means that players become locked to a Class that they might not want to play, just for a specific weapon. Our current thinking is return to Classes via Class Equipment and Gadgets while keeping weaponry available for all."

[tight prism]

Because they want 100 million players this go around.

[errant fiber]

Oh, that's not what we're saying, the game will probably be great either way, but it could be even better with closed weapon systems.

[spare socket]

yo could you like paste it with no other commentary it kinda distracts from the main message. 3 more times please

[broken cedar]

bro DICE cooked 2042 why are you taking their word as gospel

[granite obsidian]

OPEN WEAPON SYSTEM 🦅 CLOSED WEAPON SYSTEM 👴

[spare socket]

nah nah not that

[runic venture]

Because you are using an inherently flawed argument. 2042 made everything open and it was hated because it is so alien to how battlefield is suppoed to be. the classes has gadgets and weapons tailered to them and a pool of open that everyone can use if they so desire. Not being able to see the huge flaw of a support being self serving with health ammo and sitting 1000 meters away sniping his guts away its problematic when before he was reliant on a team mate to resupply him.

[worn marten]

both are good to me. Either approach have enough pros and cons

[broken cedar]

bro reacts to his own messages lmao

[spare socket]

Open weapon systems:
Close weapon systems:
Lock the sniper to recon:

[lyric roost]

if they're going to go with open they need restrictions, id even say sniper are part of the recon as a class and should only be used by recon

[craggy tapir]

I never understood the Freedom > everything mindset

It falls into the same category as Realism > everything. It completely ignores game balance and identity

[lyric roost]

even shotguns to assault as well

[granite obsidian]

this completely ignores the idea that you can have balance with open weapon system. which you can

[spare socket]

the poll we need (I require more responses)

[kind snow]

How is every class having every gun unbalanced though!

[broken cedar]

or locking them from recon - I could see an engi or support rocking a shotgun

[runic venture]

by that argument you can have balance with open gadgets also, so why not? you have yet to answer me on this

[stable remnant]

you guys should form a new studio and make a game

[craggy tapir]

You can, yes. You are ignoring the second point though. It is a part of BF’s identity to have closed weapons

[willow wolf]

bring back premium and server browser

[kind snow]

No way

[broken cedar]

Nobody here has said you can't balance it?

The argument has never been that you can't balance an open weapons system

[granite obsidian]

he just said that mate...

[tight prism]

As I was saying before, I think there is a blend that works but the "our way or the highway," with current closed implementation is not it.

Have sub-classes with locked weapons fitting to that role. Not just a "yes, LMG Medics, Sniper Bros."

[spare socket]

I'm going to be entirely honest. Locking smgs to engineer largely led to engineers in bf4 to run carbines and dmrs. Likely indicative of another underlying element about that weapon type imo.

Atop this Assault rifles and carbines in bf6 have minimal distinctions.

I would just restrict snipers to recon because i'm gonna be honest I don't think DICE is going to go back on their open weapons push.

[broken cedar]

He said that the argument that freedom > everything and realism > everything both ignore balance and identity, not that it's impossible to balance an open weapons system?

[granite obsidian]

he cited balance explicitly

[spare socket]

we don't need assaults running an smg/shotgun with a sniper+spawn beacon

[craggy tapir]

They def aren’t. I doubt they will ever try to remove the closed weapons mode either

[tight prism]

There are different styles of support from the LMG supporter maintaining a Frontline with ammo to a Medic who should really not be fighting much at all and should probably have a pistol and maybe smg for example.

[kind snow]

They do what the players want and more people wanted to play open weapon in the beta

[spare socket]

I think they'll slowly realize that sniper on assault is stupid with dual weapons

[granite obsidian]

let me help you and bold that for you. freedom > everything and realism > everything both ignore balance and identity

balance

[spare socket]

If: recon has a low play rate
And: assault has the highest play rate and snipers have enough of a play rate with assaults+spawn beacon

the devs will by all accounts have a justification to weapon lock snipers to recon

[craggy tapir]

• Only has closed 1 game mode
• that gamemode is at the end of the list

“People chose open more!”

[broken cedar]

where in that statement does it say that it's impossible to balance open weapons

[spare socket]

it would be a balancing decision to promote a specific class and demote another

[broken cedar]

they buried the option lol

[spare socket]

game design>freedom>realism

[tight prism]

Closed was trivial to find if one wanted it.

[kind snow]

The list is ranked on how many people are in it at first closed was the 2nd highest lmao

[spare socket]

game design is by all accounts the most important thing to a game. If something has no vision or reason to it, it can often detract or add fluff to your game

[granite obsidian]

freedom > everything [implying open vs closed] and realism > everything both ignore balance [implying you are ignoring balance because it cannot be done by choosing freedom] and identity

[craggy tapir]

If you blindly follow freedom, it can become unbalanced. It’s the same with blindly following realism

Neither are inherently unbalanced though

[spare socket]

Game design is the most important thing in a video game

[errant fiber]

Considering only the "Closed" playlists had any indication, I'd wager most people just thought "<MODE>" which had open weapons was it.

[spare socket]

Which includes a variety of things like weapon balance, attachment balance, locking elements to particular classes, map design, vehicles, vehicle balance, etc

[granite obsidian]

tell me then, what defines the SUPPORT class in Battlefield

[runic venture]

LMGs and ammo bags

[kind snow]

Being able to revive 10 people in 5 sec

[errant fiber]

Volume of fire and ammunition replenishment.

[craggy tapir]

In previous games, it’s the LMG class with ammo bags

[spare socket]

this is a funny example because suppressive fire behind a deployed piece of cover with an ammo bag is very defining for a "support" class

[broken cedar]

CONQUEST vs CLOSED WEAPONS CONQUEST

People don't know what that means, they're just gonna click conquest

[craggy tapir]

Or the shotgun + ammo class in Hardline

[spare socket]

I would personally like to restrict lmgs to supports and snipers to recon. But at the very minimum snipers should not have any place in the other classes imo

[granite obsidian]

Or the SMG + Ammo or Health in 2042

[kind snow]

If they dont know what it means how is that ea fault

[granite obsidian]

almost like SUPPORT doesn't have a definitive IDENTITY among Battlefield games

[craggy tapir]

Kinda wish they would’ve copied Hardline’s class system. Basically removing LMG would’ve been funny

[spare socket]

this dude is still talking about 2042's class design like it had any sensibilities to it ☠️

[runic venture]

2042 didnt have classes until very late into its cycle and is a frankenstein of what classes is supposed to be to try and band-aid the massive failure that 2042 is

[tight prism]

If wrapped into one, Support would be defined by sub-classes within it.
-Lineholder with LMGs and ammo/grenade resupply
-Medics with a boost of speed and a pistol maybe SMG with Med kits and defib.

[craggy tapir]

2042 isn’t a battlefield game. It’s an extraction shooter that was turned into a Bf game in 2-3 months

[errant fiber]

Honestly all I had to see to become even more convinced that closed weapons is ideal was the recent Reddit leak with an engineer on top of the Firestorm tower with a sniper rifle and two (2) types of rocket launchers.

[granite obsidian]

so there's not one answer

[spare socket]

given in the final build engineers can only run one launcher

[granite obsidian]

now tell me, what weapon defines an ENGINEER

[spare socket]

and again the examples people have generally been providing for "unbalanced" open weapons have always been snipers in my experience

just restrict the most class defining weapon to the class it has always been on

[runic venture]

the answers you got was pretty in line with each other. Engineer is usually smg/carbines + anti vehicle tool kit

[spare socket]

it's not hard

snipers on recon is literally all the game has to do

The rest are kinda subsidiary things in retrospect

[errant fiber]

Generally Carbines or Personal Defence Weapons and anti-vehicle weapon systems.

[granite obsidian]

what about the great BF2? what did the engineer have

[errant fiber]

Don't know, didn't play it.

[tight prism]

There is not one, much as many would disagree. A competent engineer has their repair tool out 90% of the time.

But a sniper would pretty much never have a place except for helping spot for the tanker, at which point adding binoculars to engineer would be a better option.

[granite obsidian]

shotguns

[craggy tapir]

Didn’t bf2 have like 7 classes?

[granite obsidian]

lmao. these classes never had a definitive identity. what matters more is ROLE

[errant fiber]

I have heard there was at least 6, with Spec Ops and Sniper being two. The rest I don't know.

[runic venture]

carbine/smg/shotgun - all close engagement weapons.

[granite obsidian]

ROLES are determined by GADGET. now classes and roles follow each other. it's always been flip-flopped amonst BFs, the ROLE and WEAPON. closed weapon system has forced players off of ROLES which is what really matters, not an identity that has never been consistent

[broken cedar]

and weapons help define the role - nobody is saying the same weapon needs to be on the same class, just that they need to help define the role

[granite obsidian]

GADGETS define the role, not weapons. weapons being locked to roles has never made sense, been consistent, or helped the experience

[broken cedar]

You're just saying words now, weapons definitely can help define roles

the idea that they don't play any part is absurd

[tight prism]

Gadgets absolutely define the role, but I do understand people's inherent desire to lock weapons to avoid abuses of systems designed for a role(such as the ammo resupply).

I think there is a place for sub-classes where there is weapon locking, but if there is just a one size fits all for every broad category, then I will advocate for open weapons. The system in the beta was not the way for closed weapons.

[granite obsidian]

if you consider medic as a role, it's been changed repeatedly

[errant fiber]

Okay, since you have had "Support" and "Engineer", I'll go ahead with "Assault" and "Recon":

• What weapon defines the Recon class?
• What weapon defines the Assault class?

[granite obsidian]

my point is that the ROLE is more important. we've had Assaults be the main medics before, Supports, it's never been consistent

[errant fiber]

Personally I'd say:

• Sniper Rifles, and
• Assault Rifles.

[spare socket]

The game that was a product of its time.

Realistically you can’t make a game like bf2 in the modern day. It just wouldn’t function as well.

Sniping was hitscan, most maps were too open, and aerial vehicles were insane

[runic venture]

weapons do define the role.
Recon, using sniper for long range engagement and spotting.
Assault, using assault rifles for obvious reason
Support, using LMGs, heavy weapons for suppression and assistance with ammo/health
Engineer, using closer quater weapons, helping vehicles stay alive.

The weapons they have is an extension of their intended role.

[broken cedar]

the consistency doesn't matter, it's choosing something

[spare socket]

I love bf2 but there’s a reason remasters of bf2 maps have to alter so much of the map to make them function

[tight prism]

For infiltrator recons(who are now nerfed), CQC weapons of any variety, for Sniper Bros snipers.

[broken cedar]

Make a choice for who plays what role, and stick with it

[craggy tapir]

Class roles are defined by gadgets and refined by weapons.

Recon without the sniper is an information class. Recon with the sniper is the sniping class

Assault’s defining weapon is the Assault rifle. It has always been based as the class with the best master-of-none weapon + whatever gadget dice decides to throw in

Support, Medic, and Engineer have always been swapped around. They have almost always been refined by LMGs, SMGs, and DMRs though

[granite obsidian]

you're already leaking into the fact that its GADGETS. look at the engineer, its the ability to repair and take out vehicles

[broken cedar]

Are you saying weapons cannot help define a role?

[runic venture]

The weapons they have is an extension of their intended role.

[errant fiber]

I mean fair point, I'm predominantly a infiltrator recon player and I practically never use sniper rifles.

[granite obsidian]

I'm saying it doesn't matter, hasn't been consistent, and not the real class identity

[errant fiber]

Answer the question.

[broken cedar]

But can a weapon help define a role of a class?

[spare socket]

The others are less definitive tbf.

But snipers have very heavily defined recon by a large margin

[tight prism]

I actually really like that wording. Gadgets define, weapons refine. A bad weapon choice can kneecap a role unnecessarily, though problem with locked weapons as a broad stroke leads to said kneecapping, such as LMG Medics.

[granite obsidian]

here's a thought experiment. go back in time and unlock the weapons to the classes for all previous titles. if BF6 was suddenly going from OPEN to CLOSED weapon system, do you think there would be more outrage or less?

[craggy tapir]

Technically gadgets can’t fully define class identity because Assault has had multiple different gadget types yet it’s always been assault

[runic venture]

Okay, if we are talking consistency then gadgets havnt been either. assault having RPGs in V, Health in 3 and 4. again your arguments are just flawed really. Close weapons is just as much part of a class identity as is their gadgets

[broken cedar]

yeah LMG Medic doesn't make as much sense to me - it's why merging medic and support is iffy to me

[errant fiber]

Significantly less.

[granite obsidian]

you're lying to yourself. if they went from OPEN to CLOSED, there would be significantly more criticism

[spare socket]

I would argue to reel in newer players the game shouldn’t go fully closed.

But at least class lock snipers and maybe LMGs for balance/game design purposes

[granite obsidian]

taking away player choice and freedom

[broken cedar]

There is zero way to know and you're literally just making this up

That's a pointless argument

[runic venture]

they took away said player choice in 2042 and people were screaming for it

[broken cedar]

You also still haven't answered the damn question dude

[spare socket]

Game had insanely low player counts it’s crazy tbh 💀

[granite obsidian]

it's a thought experiment, try thinking a little harder

[errant fiber]

Oh dear, apparently I'm lying to myself 😱 My friend, I spend a lot of time theorizing and engaging in thought experiments, I know when I'm lying to myself, and this time ain't one.

[craggy tapir]

Honestly, the current closed weapon system is perfect for this. The class-based weapons like ARs, LMG, and Snipers are locked but the weapons that should be slight downgrades to these weapons are unlocked

[broken cedar]

A thought experiment where if someone disagrees with you, you just say "wrong because I said so"

[tight prism]

Snipers I would say are the one weapon class that should be locked to recon, as there are very few cases of a practical use for any other class(except maybe Engi for spotting for a tanker, which should just be binoculars).

[runic venture]

"people want open stuff if its closed people will be madge!" looks at 2042 with its entire community asking for it be closed instead of the mess it launched as lmao

[runic venture]

tell me why the community wanted more restrictions in 2042 if this is the case, where everything was open for freedom as you want it to be

[spare socket]

2042 like a month after launch had less players than bf1 lol and barely more than 4

[craggy tapir]

Eh, nobody should use 2042 for any argument because the buggy launch completely destroyed any chance at the game being popular without an event like the current one

It’s not even really a BF game at its core

[spare socket]

True

[runic venture]

its not its slop to milk money with the skins. i bet you someone looked at fortnite and was like lets do that

[errant fiber]

I think I read somewhere, or if I said it myself to the people I associate with; classes in 2042 were a half-measure to patch up a predetermined approach they couldn't back out of with the free access to weapons. (Or something to that effect).

[craggy tapir]

“Hey, let’s make a fortnite clone”

• basically the entire dev team quits

[runic venture]

"my child keeps asking for this fortnite coins for skins all the time can we do that too? easy money printer"

[spare socket]

This is true actually. A huge portion of the dev team left after 5 due to creative issues with 2042 and to a lesser extent 5

[tender ore]

when they gonna open the server for play new setting ?

[runic venture]

oct 10

[spare socket]

It’s also why updating the frostbite engine after 2016’s update was hell

[errant fiber]

Oct 10

[spare socket]

Most of the people with information on the engine left

[craggy tapir]

I wonder if Sirland was a part of that or if he left before it all happened

[tender ore]

there is official game but when they open server for testing again

[errant fiber]

Oct 10

[spare socket]

I don’t recall specifically. I read game news but I don’t always remember the dates

Frankly I just like reading in general news just happens to be involved with that

[runic venture]

i remember Soderlund calling BF fans uneducated 💀

[broken cedar]

they're not

[errant fiber]

I avoid reading news because I avoid unnecessary depressing information.

[broken cedar]

at least outside of Labs

[craggy tapir]

“If you don’t like it, don’t buy it” is single-handedly the worst PR move I have ever seen

[runic venture]

its a shame really, the game was genuinely really good

[errant fiber]

DICE/EA have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot with their games and marketing. Which is coincidentally one of the reasons I refuse to preorder.

[craggy tapir]

The one time the Marketing team messed up and it was a decent game. Wish they would’ve messed up 2042’s trailer instead

[runic venture]

real

[craggy tapir]

Could’ve saved a lot of hassle

[errant fiber]

One thing I will say though is that the line between Assault Rifles and Carbines, at least in BF4, was incredibly fuzzy and inconsistent.

Take the Ak 5C for an example, which is designated and treated as an assault rifle in real life (standard issue service weapon of the Swedish Armed Forces), and has a carbine version, the Ak 5D.

Which made the Ak 5C == Carbine thing very weird to my mind.

[spare socket]

The cool thing about news is you can opt into your particular news sources and cross references pretty easily

And also just not read some things based on headlines

I must emphasize on having good cross references to avoid misinformation

[errant fiber]

True, but much easier to just not read it.

I rely on SNN for news that I have any sort of interest in.

And also FMV's website.

[spare socket]

A news source I often like recommending to people who want a monthly summary with minimal time waste is sirswag’s monthly recap. It’s a solid recap for those who don’t want articles

Given it does include some of the more less happy news elements so maybe not for you

[craggy tapir]

I use a mix of AllSides and Ground for US news. They’re good for getting info that isn’t effected by 1 political side

[spare socket]

They’re solid too

[errant fiber]

I probably should have elaborated on what qualifies as depressing news: I do not care in the slightest about what some celebrity did/said what to who/what.

I unfortunately still remain somewhat in the loop when it comes to the depressing topic that is the current state of the US governmental apparatus.

But, that falls under politics, so no-no on talking further on the aspiring SS Order State of Washington D.C.

[broken cedar]

ok I played 2042 for a bit to try and do bp stuff but it's still ass

[errant fiber]

Yes indeed

[broken cedar]

Last I'd played was 2021 iirc

not worth

[dense parcel]

holy shit is this game trash

[kind snow]

Context?

[frosty tulip]

Cause he cant slide cancel

[white moss]

Which 2 2042 maps do you want seen in BF6 portal?

[errant fiber]

I think the only semi-worthwhile map from 2042 is Redacted.

[white moss]

What about renewal?

[errant fiber]

Nope.

Tbf I haven't played Renewal in ages though

BECAUSE I NEVER GET PUT ON THAT MAP

So, server browser please?

[white moss]

That should be standard

[errant fiber]

Yep

[spare socket]

I've only played the beta and these last few days for the pass

I got enough xp so now I'm just waiting for the weekly mission roll outs

[white moss]

I'm 42.2 at the moment

[spare socket]

you have way more than what's needed tbh. If you do weekly missions from here you're done

[errant fiber]

I'm at like 24 or some such atm

[white moss]

Been trying to get attachments I guess

So which version of BF6 you guys getting?

[errant fiber]

The post-release one.

[white moss]

Har har

[spare socket]

-Weeks 4-7 will now give 64 points instead of 55. This equates to 9 points every week, or 36 points total.
-This will reduce the amount of XP tiers you need. You will now gain (55x3)+(64x4) points from missions instead of (55x7), which means you need to farm 3.6 less tiers from XP as you will now get 421 instead of 385 XP points. This means you need to farm 17.9 XP tiers, which is considerably less than the earlier 21.5. You will need to farm around ~500k XP less. Keep in mind you will need to farm an extra tier for every bonus weekly you miss.

So, to be done with XP at each week:
W3: 34.4
W4: 40.8
W5: 47.2
W6: 53.6
W7: You need to be done this week. Pass disappears on Oct 7.

a copy pasta on xp requirements for 2042 a friend of mine made

if you have 34.4 levels by the start of week 3 you're good to finish the entirety of the rest of the pass on weekly missions alone

[candid dagger]

hopefully none

[half nimbus]

#removethirdpersonfromallvics

[kind snow]

What ?

[keen bluff]

Is HUD customization confirmed?

[urban badge]

idk what exactly you mean by hud customization, but you could customize a significant portion of the hud in the open beta, how ever, I wouldn't say it was as good as it was in BF4 for example

[keen bluff]

I mean like combining the scoreboard back with the minimap how it used to be

So it's more minimal

[urban badge]

I'm not sure

There are YT videos that showed of the settings that were available in depth, so you could look into those

[keen bluff]

Cool ty

[torn portal]

Does anyone know if there has been any comment made about queueing with more than 1 squad?

I usually have a group more than 4 and it's a pain in the ass in 2042 and we just end up playing other games that let us queue together

[urban badge]

I don't think any particular comments were made about that, but I do know that through portal there will also be a server browser, and I'm sure there will be some servers that just rotate between regular maps without any modifications

[fossil pecan]

They should add the XBOW from battlefield 3 to battlefield 6

[torn portal]

Yeah that sounds okay, but I can still see it being annoying having a friends squad getting team swapped between rounds.

I am depending on portal servers to not be subjected to 2042 matchmaking. Everyone hated it in 2042, so instead of fixing it they seem to have done everything to work around keeping it, including not kicking you to the menu, which was a complaint from 2042, but now you just sit in the end screen til it matchmakes again...

[west crypt]

how much is this game gonna cost

[torn portal]

70 freedom dollars

[pine agate]

In Spain 60 euros I suppose is the same exchange rate. 😂

[proper urchin]

Anyone pre-order the Phantom Edition?

[fossil pecan]

I did and I m proud of it

[proper urchin]

Same

[forest jewel]

I'm waiting for more Portal info.

if it's good I'll do that on the last possible day.

[proper urchin]

Well there’s a rumor about u being able to make a COD-Zombies type game mode in Portal

[forest jewel]

Zombies is not my thing.

not what I'm looking for.

[proper urchin]

Heh same case with me it’s not too appealing

[forest jewel]

but the ability to reposition the player view cam is cool.

[torn portal]

Portal sounds dope, I just hope they can use it to their full potential, like map creation or mode contests where community votes can lead to maps/modes becoming official. Or even a map remake contest that can be verified by dice and added as an official map etc

[forest jewel]

creating topdown type of games will be very interesting.

[proper urchin]

Like switching between first/third person or something?I’ve never played Zombies

[forest jewel]

or third-person.

[forest jewel]

yeah and even more.

[proper urchin]

Yeh it’ll be like FridayNightBattlefield and have showcases in the portal menu

[forest jewel]

the top-down perspective could be useful for strategy-type games.

[proper urchin]

Oh wow I like that.Star Wars Battlefront 2 did that on an unrelated note too

[torn portal]

Showcases are fine, but I want quality community content to be added to the main game/rotations per community requests

[proper urchin]

It’s a very good game I recommend it

[forest jewel]

think Command & Conquer or Foxhole.

or Gears Tactics.

[proper urchin]

Yeh similar to UEFN(Unreal Editor for Fortnite) I see

[forest jewel]

moving the player view to completely different positions opens possibilities for many unexpected game types.

I just wanna see it first.

we didn't really get a dedicated Portal trailer yet.

[torn portal]

Possibly at the Tokyo game show? I thought I heard something about bf being there. Hope it's portal info and not br focused

[forest jewel]

I don't think the BR will be ready at launch.

[torn portal]

Yeah that's what I'm hoping, I don't hate br, but let's focus on the good shit

[kind snow]

Yep got it for 60$

[cloud widget]

I am gunna need a team of creators for this new portal sandbox creation.

[tight prism]

🤣

[somber marlin]

When is the next play test

[kind snow]

Check the labs menu or labs discord

[somber marlin]

Just tell me lol

Tf esp if you know it

[kind snow]

NDA 🤦‍♂️

[somber marlin]

Christ dude. I’ll just google it. Not like they can sue you or find out who you are. It isn’t a real NDA. Don’t take it too seriously

[tight prism]

hey they wanna feel "special"

[somber marlin]

Yeah like dude it comes out next month.

[vocal sedge]

why even care about playtest

[somber marlin]

Just bored and wanted something to look forward to

[tight prism]

for some people just to skip time

[somber marlin]

Yeah

[tight prism]

mind blowing i know

[vocal sedge]

lol

it is mind blowing, thousands of games and like a month left til bf6 release, im sure youll find something to play its not that deep

[somber marlin]

You sound upset

[tight prism]

pickle gonna melt

[vocal sedge]

nah i just think its corny when youre lashing out at someone for not giving you a labs test date lol, like an addict needing some itch

[somber marlin]

I’m not lashing out. I’m asking a question.

[torn portal]

Imagine if you guys just kiss instead...

[somber marlin]

Don’t get too triggered

[vocal sedge]

i have no reason to get triggered by it

i just found it funny

[forest jewel]

they are still rules.

[vocal sedge]

so pointless

[somber marlin]

Same here. What are you playing

[somber marlin]

Not a real NDA. It’s a video game bro.

[vocal sedge]

? wdym not a real NDA lol

[somber marlin]

You didn’t physically sign it.

You clicked accept

[tight prism]

they cant do shit to you

[vocal sedge]

you agree to it when you sign up for labs

[forest jewel]

there is no such thing as a "not real NDA".

[somber marlin]

Yeah there is.

I’m a lawyer

[vocal sedge]

crazy

[forest jewel]

you can't prove that here, mate.

that doesn't mean anything here.

[torn portal]

LMAO this nyx guy is too funny

[somber marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-get-trolled-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-20266975

[kind snow]

Racism isnt funny anymore

[vernal radish]

NDA talk again??? Hilarious

[tight prism]

[torn portal]

Damn, my claim has been removed.

[somber marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/hereditary-yasss-yassification-namufilms-gif-23757413

[quiet plover]

It’s apart of the NDA to not talk about the NDA. Trust

[forest jewel]

the fact is there are NDA rules and we should adhere to them.

period.

[tight prism]

cope cope

[somber marlin]

lol

[vocal sedge]

why care

[somber marlin]

Bro EA literally used to do so much shitty things

[torn portal]

Used to?? Look at Madden lol

[gleaming quiver]

like making the world's worst FPS game and then making another game and force you to play the worst fps of all time and grind it's new battlepass?

[forest jewel]

you're not only taking revenge on and damaging EA with breaking the NDA if that's what you mean.

[somber marlin]

How much are you paying you

[forest jewel]

not one cent.

I'm just... why would you bother breaking rules?

[somber marlin]

You have to be trolling lol

Nice one. Almost had me

[red kiln]

nda dosent exist in my country 😄

[forest jewel]

look... if I had access to Labs I wouldn't leak stuff. stuff that has the potential to make people expect stuff they never really get for example.

[red kiln]

maybe thats why they dont let me in bflabs

[somber marlin]

I would leak everything.

[stable remnant]

Ok, you passed the test. I'll email you labs access shortly

[somber marlin]

They want you to leak it btw.

It’s a marketing trick

[forest jewel]

and there would be no negative for me to abide by the rules.

so why break it?

[forest jewel]

you can't prove that.

[tall zinc]

don't fall for the guys obvious trolling

[somber marlin]

It’s entertaining tbh

They’re good at it.

[forest jewel]

I'm sure even the devs themselves wouldn't want us to leak that stuff.

[tall zinc]

it's not allowed, so be careful

[forest jewel]

it's not just EA.

[finite hill]

so they are not letting me in because they think I might not leak anything? 🤔

anyways, I liked the beta

[forest jewel]

the Open Beta was, you guessed it, open and public anyway.

and yeah I liked it too.

[finite hill]

yeah, sure

[forest jewel]

ooh...

😂

[hard ravine]

I'm halfway through Jackfrag's "What I dont like about Battlefield 6" video and gotta say, I agree with everything he's saying so far.

[indigo patio]

Jackfrags is the GOAT BF YouTuber for real

[runic venture]

make him the lead director of a battlefield and we will have greatness

[finite hill]

I think I've seen it, but can't remember what he said - I think all parties will make the best out of it

[smoky tulip]

I went into that JackFrags video fearing he would say some stupid stuff that would potentially influence the game into the wrong direction. Thankfully, I agreed with nearly everything he said. It was a very rationale take that is true to the franchise.

[hard ravine]

I mainly liked what he said about having a Server Browser. The way the beta was, it's like they purposely make it such a pain to find Custom games that you just give up and use the Match Making.

[runic venture]

having 4 buttons to matchmake on the main screen is criminal aswell. why are we copying netflix for a UI? its so cringe

[smoky tulip]

That was big, including his taking on toggling skins.

[hard ravine]

It's that Tiktok Brainrot they are taking advantage of. Unfortunately they're right. Most people have so simple minded and have the attention span of a fish. So I'm surprised it wasn't just 3 tabs lol. Breakthrough, Rush, and Conquest lol

[hard ravine]

Yeah, I didn't realize the skins already look that dumb. Red and black? I mean it's not over the top... but takes away from the aesthetic of the game.

What kind of stupid looking crap are people unlocking on BF2042 right now lol

[runic venture]

I dont mind skins but a toggle to display default outfit is something that would only benefit everyone. same thing being pushed in other games, people are just getting tired of these goofy aahh american dad skins running about

[hard ravine]

Yes for sure. Kinda how a year or two ago COD said they were gonna do that. But I think the Ninja Turtle and Nicki Minaj people cried "I paid for people to see that!!" and it went away lol

[tall zinc]

they will never do it, as soon as a toggle is added monetisation goes out the window

[smoky tulip]

I've been grinding in 2042. The game is not good. Just because it has improved, doesn't mean it's a good game suddenly. Anyways, I'm just trying to get the BF4 skin that's at like level 40. I'm at like 31

[hard ravine]

Exactly. The people who use the stupid skin will cry that they paid to look like that and turning it off will negat their purchase lol

[runic venture]

not necessarily, i like cool skins but i dont mind other people not being able to see them. same sentiment i know is going on in CS2

[tall zinc]

no, it is a disincentive for people to buy them, so therefore it won't be done

[torn portal]

I doubt it will happen cus EA wants you to see the skins and be tempted

[runic venture]

you will still see them on your end, you aren't buying the skins for others to wear but for your character to feel unique to you

[tall zinc]

it's probably correct, though, and I doubt a minority opinion

more than likely the majority if anything

skins are and have always been a way of trying to show "influence" in games and that's why they exist

[hard ravine]

I garuntee you if that was an option, and wasn't made almost impossible to find in Options, most people would turn off the skins.

[torn portal]

No but, they want you to be able to see other people's skins, just pure exposure to tempt you to buy more

[tall zinc]

just about any sort of cosmetic is really and that includes things in the battlefield franchise

[torn portal]

The pre order phantom skins are already too much

[hard ravine]

I think Battlefield 4 had the best skins. Nothing was crazy over the top. But what if we want to play without a HUD covering everything up? How can we tell who's friendly and who's foe?

[tall zinc]

these are not just skins, but any sort of cosmetic, dog tags etc, anything

[runic venture]

thats why a toggle wont hurt anyone, those who enjoy being whales can do that and those who wants a more nostalgic feel can also enjoy the same game. it hurts no one and only adds value

[tall zinc]

skins are just focused on because of call of duty but the principle of cosmetics for influence is universal

[hard ravine]

I really hate a cluttered HUD. I would want auto-spotting off, but I need some type of spotting lol. I'm a blind turd sometimes you know how many times I've killed teammates in Reforger or Squad? XD

[tall zinc]

it is quite strange that skins are just talked about when it's just a subgenre of cosmetics anyways

[torn portal]

I agree it should be possible to toggle, but as skins are likely the majority of profit the game will make, I don't think they will allow it and will force people to have them enabled.

[smoky tulip]

Shifting gears a little, but it would be nice if Commander mode made a return, even if just as added feature in Portal. In BF4 it seemed like an afterthought. To make it more interesting I think it would be interesting if the Commander could call in AI reinforcements that do not effect player count. This could be in a transport help and dropped anywhere on the map the Commander chooses. In conquest, the squad of AI would attack the nearest objective and only have carbines that are faction specific. Either M4s or AK205s. Thoughts?

[tall zinc]

commander mode is not happening more or less

[smoky tulip]

Humor me. Lol

[runic venture]

you mean the shit-bucket mode?

[tall zinc]

it was shit in 4 and abandoned by dice anyways, so it was never a particular priority

it's impossible to add in a way which isn't destroy the game territory in power or sucks in power balance

[proper urchin]

Nah that could be problematic with the ai players there will still be a player disadvantage

[torn portal]

Squad call ins like bf5 would be sick tho, or give recon the bc2 mortars

[runic venture]

yes BF5 squad call ins was so nice. Atleast they brought back the movement from this game.

[tall zinc]

commander mode is just a bygone relic when it never really worked that well to begin with anyways

[proper urchin]

Anyone hope Dice decides to actually give us a tutorial on how to play the game and brings back the shooting range in BF6?

[tall zinc]

yes hopefully

[flat blaze]

Im battlefielding it

[smoky tulip]

Commander mode in BF2 was ok, but BF4 was not that great. BFV supports would be interesting.

[runic venture]

tutorial no, sandbox to play with the different vehicles yes

[proper urchin]

Lowkey I don’t know why Dice never gave us a tutorial

[smoky tulip]

That would be awesome.

[torn portal]

Yeah, saving squad points through a breakthrough round and calling in the v1 at the right time was sick on attack or defence

[tall zinc]

they could never add commander mode again in a way which isn't anti fun for players or just makes the match a total clown fest where the game is automatically over if someone has it

[torn portal]

If they don't I'd imagine one would be created in portal in no time

[tall zinc]

it's a impossible thing to manage and can never be done in a decent way

[stable remnant]

good thinking outside the box batman

[proper urchin]

I mean Dice is focusing on team play in BF6 so it wouldn’t be a bad decision for them to add it in

[tall zinc]

commander mode didn't work that way

[runic venture]

instead of V1 you bring in a MOAB, instead of Sturmtiger you call in an AC-130

[smoky tulip]

I don't know. Hell Let Loose has an interesting way of managing Commander assets like a bombing run. It's not game breaking, but can be the difference in turning the tide or finishing off an opponent late.

[proper urchin]

Oh a war nerd I see?👌

[runic venture]

being 1 month away from launch its not going to happen, maybe in BF7

[proper urchin]

Let’s focus on the present shall we?😂

[runic venture]

cant wait to preorder BF9

[smoky tulip]

I just hope the Battle Royale map is bigger than the one that leaked. It was like a quarter of al-Mazrah from MW2 2022

[proper urchin]

Yeh BF9 gonna give us the ability to combine vehicle pieces or something😅

[tall zinc]

very different game, very different audience anyways, HLH players are milsim targets, battlefield is not, it's a franchise with a lot more casual players, and to add a commander mode you need it to be 1. so powerful that people will willingly stop playing on their own team to go into it and 2. also not make it totally break the game if a team doesn't have it, and those 2 things never were reconciled in the titles which had it

[runic venture]

i think you will be surprised

[smoky tulip]

Good points.

[smoky tulip]

I'm hoping so. The leak just seems like an early build.

[tall zinc]

as good as 4 is for a game commander mode is one of the areas where it was total stupid how much power commanders had on a game

[runic venture]

the china leak one?

[tall zinc]

may aswell have renamed it to god mode and it'd have been the same thing

[proper urchin]

I love how Dice took heavy inspiration from my picks for the best battlefield games while making BF6(BF3 and BF4)

[smoky tulip]

I'm not much of a Battle Royale fan, but after BF2042 grossed me out I went a bough MW2. I absolutely loved DMZ. It made me think that of BF could get its head right, they could do it better.

[smoky tulip]

Yeah, it was obviously an early build, but I'm hoping it's also larger than that

[tall zinc]

if Byron beede cannot make a good battle royale for battlefield, then nobody can, so we'll see

[runic venture]

Firestorm in BFV was alright, the only thing that needed more cooking tbh was the looting, so im hoping they baked that to perfection this time around

[proper urchin]

IMO Dice should’ve made a better version of firestorm for 2042 instead of an Escape From Tarkov ripoff

[tall zinc]

there is nobody in the industry who stands a better shot than that dude for this franchise

[runic venture]

would fit the game aswell since Sulis is present

[smoky tulip]

Byron Beede, huh? Ill have to look into him

[tall zinc]

former general manager for Activision, he was the brainchild behind warzone, more or less the reason it exists today

[proper urchin]

Was Beede the reason for the monetization in Warzone as well?

[tall zinc]

dunno on that but doubt it

[proper urchin]

Makes sense

[tall zinc]

he's not been at Activision since about 2021/22

[smoky tulip]

It looks like MW4 is going to have a new DMZ offering. I'm hoping it was more like that mode at launch before the crazy skins. I hope even more that BF6 and it's Portal mode will enable some fun Battle Royale/Shoot n Loot games.

[tall zinc]

there is a wildcard angle here with if Byron is successful he will have a extreme amount of influence on how the future of this franchise runs generally

so pick your poison

he's already said he wants to turn battlefield studios into the Activision development model

[gleaming quiver]

byron this byron that JUST GET RID OF THE DUMB BOMB PARACHUTES

[smoky tulip]

All I know is once Activision was acquired by Microsoft CoD really went down hill. More so than before.

[tall zinc]

eh nah, that's just Activision really, not much changed after the acquisition

read former developer talks about the internal state of IW/Activision etc, that's about all you need to hear, the Microsoft acquisition just made it worse if anything since MS rarely intervene in the studios in their control

and they print money so why would they

[smoky tulip]

Just prior to the acquisition they hurried MW3 to squeeze one last release. That game was awful. Lol.

[tight prism]

Battlefield for sure can do it better they own big maps!!! I’m done with be tho. Shits annoying…

[broken cedar]

ewwwwwwwww

[tall zinc]

?

[broken cedar]

From what I've heard of the activision dev model, it's reaaaally not great for the devs

[tall zinc]

not for that reason

each studio under Activision use their own engine version, techniques, etc which conflict with each other, BF studios is primarily new minus DICE so they can establish a working framework to avoid conflict issues, now, whether that manifests is anyone's guess, and if it does it'll take a few years to harmonise everything anyways

[smoky tulip]

Somebody on here brought up making a mode like Helldivers 2 with the large Map that is a persistent. Large ongoing battles. I have yet to play HD2, so I'm not too familiar, but the idea was interesting.