community-update-classes

[wind oyster]

Crazy

[quaint dune]

i just think bros taking his view points and trying to make everyone believe his view point is that of the whole community

as that what it sounds like

[wind oyster]

Manipulation technique of claiming that youre right and truthful

Classy

And then pressing it onto others

Whats next

[quaint dune]

whose he pressing it onto

xd

[shy slate]

I dont think im right in regards anything we have spoken about balance or class wise. but I am 100% correct in explaining your behavior

[quaint dune]

best not say me

[tropic vine]

average subreddit person rn, it's painful to deal with

[wind oyster]

Okay can you ping me where i had a viewpoint of making battlefield an overly complex mechanical shooter

[quaint dune]

innit

[wind oyster]

Keep telling yourself that

[mild rock]

Jesus dude

[dusk ether]

go back to bed before you get rolled up in this

[shy slate]

I dont need to, you proved me right

[wind oyster]

.

[quaint dune]

i probably could but i aint gonna cos this is between you and bsod. im just sat here thinking your viewpoints on whether or not someone who uses/doesnt use a certain mechanic is a bad player

[mild rock]

Florp

[dusk ether]

hamptor

[tropic vine]

but i just got up

[wind oyster]

Acting superior, claiming everyones wrong, hinging onto random validation

Cringe

[quaint dune]

having all the "movement tech" in a game is whatever idgaf

[shy slate]

Im not superior, just correct on how you behave

[dusk ether]

for your own sanity

[wind oyster]

You cant

[wind oyster]

Lol

[quaint dune]

i probably could if i could be arsed to go back and read all the brain rot from both sides

[tropic vine]

people can have a lil "movement tech" if i get manual leaning. Fair trade

[quaint dune]

but i aint got the mental energy for that

[wind oyster]

Can we now like pinpoint this or are you gonna go off topic and talk about something entirely different to avoid original argument

[quaint dune]

manual leaning was good

[wind oyster]

You cant

[quaint dune]

i liked it on bf5

[wind oyster]

Not a complex movement mechanic

[quaint dune]

WAS I TALKING TO YOU

clown

[wind oyster]

Didnt have to

Ive stated the same thing

[quaint dune]

youre actually so self centered its crazy

[shy slate]

Game design wise, manually leaning is a complex as it gets.

[wind oyster]

Next

[quaint dune]

people like you is why we get shit games i swear

[wind oyster]

Bf1 was shit i didnt ask for that and bf5 wouldve been good if it wasnt bad at everything else

Next

[quaint dune]

this is subjective

what you say isnt fact

[tropic vine]

it's a nice movement option for a more methodical player. It's nice to have different options for different ppl

[quaint dune]

battlefield 1 is argueably the best game in the franchise

and NOT just it looked good

[wind oyster]

Lol

[mild rock]

Bf5 had really good in between options.

Like crouch running and ledge grabbing.

[shy slate]

Best if you ask the casual (Majority) player. Worst if you ask the sweats.

[mild rock]

Combat rolling, etc.

[quaint dune]

this

and battlefield isnt meant to catter to the sweats

since not everyone is a sweat

[wind oyster]

Tell me 1 thing that was actually good in bf1

[quaint dune]

vast majority is a casual

[shy slate]

It works best when it caters to both IMO tho

[wind oyster]

Yeah asking clueless players that dont know whats cancer and what isnt is brilliant

[waxen cypress]

You're right worst game ever

[shy slate]

To a degree. Im not talking BO6 movement and speed, but a middle cround between BF1 and BFV

[mild rock]

A good game is one that is open ended towards everyone not appealing to everyone.

Which is kind of ironic.

[quaint dune]

visuals, audio design, the attention to detail, lore, over all game play, mechanics (of how the game actually functioned), music, setting

[dusk ether]

class setup

[mild rock]

Bf1 had fun semis.

[quaint dune]

youre just hating cos you couldnt "slide" or abuse things like air strafing

[mild rock]

I liked seeing semis as a main weapon.

Though the game has its own issues with shit like suppression etc.

Watch how this will be spun.

[tropic vine]

yeah they did a good job of making sure movement was for everyone

[wind oyster]

We can clearly see that in afghanistan milsim games in portal

[wind oyster]

Visuals visuals visuals, the mechanics being sweetspot, suppression, visual recoil werent mechanically good, tanks being able to repair inside tanks made them pretty broken

[shy slate]

Then threw all of that in the bin for 2042

[wind oyster]

Grenades recharged too fast

[waxen cypress]

Yeah, bf 1 required some skill with recoil and stuff too so he doesn't like it

[wind oyster]

Majority of the maps were dogshit visuals aside

[mild rock]

I am not an avid bf1 fan, I have my fair bit of issues with the game. But I dunno. It doesnt live rent free in my head.

[tropic vine]

That's a good description of what I want

[quaint dune]

tanks are broken in any battlefield lmfao

[wind oyster]

No

[tropic vine]

it's why i can't get into bf2042

[quaint dune]

and youre saying "visuals visuals visuals" like thats all i said

[wind oyster]

Bf4 was actually air vehicles dominating

[quaint dune]

yes but that doesnt mean tanks werent broken asf

xD

[waxen cypress]

I gave up with i pickle you days ago

[quaint dune]

vehicles as whole in bf4 were insanely overtuned

[gentle star]

Instant turret turning on bf4 was comical

[quaint dune]

LMAO

[wind oyster]

Thats 50% of what you said and the rest of the 50% was good mechanics which makes the gameplay which is pretty horrid and frankly boring, then audio which was good yes and then more visuals

[quaint dune]

youre actually delusional

i said visuals once

are you gonna say because i said "setting" i meant visuals?

you are arent you

[tropic vine]

the speed of the tanks, while realistic, made them very difficult to escape from as infantry if they chased you

[wind oyster]

visuals , audio design, the attention to detail (visuals again) , lore (?), over all game play, mechanics (of how the game actually functioned), music, setting (visuals again)

[mild rock]

Piloting mechs has fucked up tanking for me.

[shy slate]

BF1 and BFV tank internal repairs should have melded into something better for the next game. But 2042 was just a mess.

I liked the need to carry a repair tool to be able to repair a tank, with the limited crawl speed when performing an internal repair in BFV. Paired with it taking time at this crawl speed to perform a repair.

I do not like 2042s single button press auto repair system.

[quaint dune]

setting - being WWI

you fucking spanner

[mild rock]

I love being able to zoom forwards and backwards but being unable to turn hurts.

[quaint dune]

the atmosphere of bf1 was insanely good and the setting being WWI was a fun concept since its always WWII

[mild rock]

But it does happen with treads.

[wind oyster]

Atmosphere is part of why bf1 looked the way it did

Dumbnuts

[shy slate]

you dont say lol

[dusk ether]

although I do still hope the internal repair idea stays. I know some people want repairs to only come from the torch, but the second you get out of that thing to repair it will be stolen instantly which I do not look forward to

[waxen cypress]

Most of people hating on bf 1 are those who liked bf 42 because it's way easier to play. The same ones who cheer here everyday for the locked classes system and the sliding.

[quaint dune]

atmosphere means more than just visuals you clown xD

[wind oyster]

Its quite literally a visual aspect of the game

[mild rock]

Audio too

[quaint dune]

and you mentioned this earlier calling it "camperfield" when talking about bf1

isnt that ALL battlefields

you get campers in every fucking battlefield

[mild rock]

Visuals audio gameplay everything.

[wind oyster]

How the guns look, how the maps look, how the soldiers look, the smokes the fire and whatnot

[shy slate]

The BFV repair system was like using the torch internally...but it was time limited (Took time to repair in bits) and had risk/reward (As you couldnt move effectively when repairing).

IMO its the perfect system for internal repairs

[wind oyster]

Thats mostly just visuals

Its an arcade shooter it really doesnt give you a realistic tone for ww1 warfare so its not atmospheric in gameplay sense

[wind oyster]

No

[quaint dune]

this is again all battlefields

[mild rock]

Atmospheric can literally mean anything.

Its such a broad statement.

[wind oyster]

Because in other battlefield games you had movement to actually react to campers, manuver closer to those said campers, rotate away from those said campers

[quaint dune]

dont tell him you'll ruin his world

[waxen cypress]

Just say "I couldn't aim for shit on bf 1"

[dusk ether]

only lists the visual elements of atmosphere

[mild rock]

Mechwarrior could be considered atmospheric piloting a 30 metre tall mech blasting clanners with gauss rifles.

[quaint dune]

bro not every thing is about your fucking shitty movement tech

[mild rock]

Or piloting a king crab with a pair of 200MM cannons.

[shy slate]

Its their entire personality, dont you know /s

[quaint dune]

jesus christ its like im talking to a cod apologist

[tropic vine]

eh i rarely had problems with campers in bf1 on xbox, or in any bf game

[wind oyster]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf1/profile/origin/9182ui4prvbj/overview

[quaint dune]

well done you have a tracker

[wind oyster]

No ones asking for cod movement dont be delusional

[quaint dune]

gg

[quaint dune]

bro youre linking EVERYTHING to movement

[mild rock]

Yeah he never mentioned movement what

[quaint dune]

it sounds like what cod players do

[wind oyster]

Because movement is a big part of battlefield

[quaint dune]

ITS NOT

LMFAO

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[wind oyster]

Battlefield 1 is the only battlefield game without movement mechanics

[quaint dune]

because it didnt need it

[waxen cypress]

18 hours of gameplay lol

[mild rock]

Ok

[wind oyster]

Aside from stoneage battlefield games

[quaint dune]

bro

[shy slate]

Why did you link an account with terrible stats...as proof of not being bad at BF1?

[quaint dune]

if you think a battlefield game is bad cos it has no movement mechanics

[tropic vine]

BF "mooovement" nerds love to insist that BF movement is entirely different than CoD movement

[wind oyster]

No people didnt want it because they were crying over it

[quaint dune]

then youve been living on a crutch

[wind oyster]

So they removed the lovement

[quaint dune]

because it wasnt needed

[mild rock]

I like good movement but jesus christ lol

[quaint dune]

if people are complaining about it then IT WASNT NEEDED/WANTED

people will complain if they dont want/like smth

[wind oyster]

What terrible stats lol

[quaint dune]

thats simple to understand surely

battlefield 1 isnt a bad game cos it doesnt have all the fancy movement tech

[shy slate]

Highest kills is 557 with the best auto in the game lol. Awful stats

[tropic vine]

Lowkey people will complain no matter what, like a certain vegetable is doing now

[quaint dune]

if you decide what a good game is based on what sort of movement tech it has then im worried for you

and i hope they dont listen to people like you

[wind oyster]

??

[shy slate]

Literally proving the point of the thing you replied to > "Couldnt aim for shit in BF1"

[quaint dune]

otherwise battlefield will turn into a game like cod dominated by freaks who are snorting gfuel while they spam slide cancels and dolphin dives

[shy slate]

the account you posted highest kill weapon is 557 kills with the MP18 trench

[quaint dune]

battlefield 1 was simple in terms of mechanics because it didnt need them to be a good game

[wind oyster]

Youre butthurt that i played mp18 which is slower in ttk than automatico and anni?

[shy slate]

And only got 500 kils lol

[wind oyster]

And?

[tropic vine]

I'm praying to God that DICE has hardened their hearts to the vocal minority 🙏

[quaint dune]

i mean the fact youve barely played bf1 should remove your opinion honestly

[shy slate]

And 500 kills is supposed to prove you are able to aim...how?

[quaint dune]

like

[wind oyster]

I have aprox 2k hours on it

[mild rock]

Bf1 annoys me more because of its cheap mechanics and the beginning of the end of the playerbase cognitive decline but I dunno. If people enjoy i dont give a fuck.

[shy slate]

2k hours...500 kills being the max you got...wow

How?

[mild rock]

Then give us the full stats?

[wind oyster]

I can get another 10k kills lol

It wont change

[shy slate]

"I could get 10k more, I just didnt want to"

[waxen cypress]

I only used snipers in bf 1 never touched any other weapon and I have 905 flag captures

[wind oyster]

? I have 4kpm on that weapon what are you waffling about

[quaint dune]

yes you can have this view but are you gonna say its a shit game?

[wind oyster]

I can get 10k more

[tropic vine]

the cognitive decline benefits me since i can be a good player without having to tryhard, such things are impossible in CoD

[quaint dune]

dont mean this in an attacking way btw

[mild rock]

I would say where I am coming from without being a dick but not right now.

[quaint dune]

just wanna know

[wind oyster]

Np

[quaint dune]

yhyh thats fair, you can dm it me if you want

[tropic vine]

look at my xbox bf1 stats for Postaltariat

[wind oyster]

I can play right now if youd like

Wont change anything

[waxen cypress]

Your flag captures suck bro I told you last week switch to cod

[quaint dune]

i thought bf1 was shit bro

[wind oyster]

Ill even play a different weapon

[quaint dune]

why you playing a shit game

[wind oyster]

Is there really anything else to play lol

[quaint dune]

bf4

[shy slate]

2k hours, 83 flags capped. Also wow

[dusk ether]

a game with good movement

[wind oyster]

Dead

I play 5

[shy slate]

I also think youre lying about 2k hours

[mild rock]

Play ultrakill

[shy slate]

Cos your account playtime per class/vehicle says otherwise

[wind oyster]

I have 3 accounts

[waxen cypress]

He has circa 20

[tropic vine]

it's because moovement is so slow it took him 3 hours to get to the next objective💔🥀

[mild rock]

Genuinely. If you are tired with multiplayer shooters then stop playing them?

[shy slate]

Of course you do

[wind oyster]

I can send you ingame hours its not that deep it doesnt matter

[shy slate]

Why did you post the only account with like...22 hours then. where are the others

[wind oyster]

Im banned on others so i dont even play on them

[shy slate]

omg lol

[tropic vine]

bro probably was toxic in vc

[wind oyster]

No

[shy slate]

So if you werent banned on 3 accounts for being toxic....

[wind oyster]

I got banned for being good at the game

Lol

[gentle star]

X

[wind oyster]

I never even use ingame chat

[mild rock]

Being generous here.

Looking at your KPM it is telling of experience.

[shy slate]

Post the stats of a banned account, I want to see something

[wind oyster]

Bftracker doesnt calculate kpms correctly for some reason aswell

I can prove that aswell

[shy slate]

Wait, you posted the others in stats in the past. Let me check myself

[wind oyster]

Yes brainlet they have worse statistics because they are old accounts played on bad pcs

Surprise surprise

[tropic vine]

i kinda think pickle is a next level troll, or just gets off on arguing

[wind oyster]

I_Pickle_You, Dreigo_Tend are the others

[waxen cypress]

[wind oyster]

When i started playing bf1 i had a intel 5550 something and a rx560 with 8gb ddr3 ram

On a 15 euro mouse

[mild rock]

If you didnt aim to be a dick a lot of this fluff could have been cut out.

[wind oyster]

Im not aiming to be a dick lol

[lucid river]

I can see the chat still hasn’t touched grass. Imma post the sunrise for yall

[wind oyster]

They called out skill issue which doesnt exist and now bsod is hyperfixated on trying to make me look like a bad player

4kpm and 4kd average is bad now 🥀

[shy slate]

Why post some irrelevant account with 20 hours...your other accounts have much better stats.

[gentle star]

You have an impressively low HS %

[wind oyster]

How is that irrelevant when its my current account that im currently playing on has my current stats

[shy slate]

Yes, claiming 2k hours, then posting an account with only 500 kills on the best auto in the game will make you look like a bad player

[wind oyster]

It isnt even the best

Anni and automatico kill faster than mp18

I also dont see how 500 kills is your main issue here

Why does it matter lol

[gentle star]

Kills is just a matter of time tbh

[wind oyster]

Like sorry that i held a consistent what 4.1-4.3kpm on a mp18 gun for 500 kills?

Do i need to get it to 5kpm at 10k kills for you to be happy?

[shy slate]

If you cant see how that would matter...I dont know what to say. The things you present for us to know were

• I have 2k hours
• My account (Which is all you shared) shows max kills of 500+

[wind oyster]

?

[shy slate]

witht hat info, you look like a bad player

[wind oyster]

Im not

[shy slate]

You shared thi like 10 mins after the original conversations

[wind oyster]

I quite literally have youtube videos

Of me playing

[shy slate]

I quite literally do not exist in your brain and know that

[quaint dune]

self promotion damn

[mild rock]

Claymore

[quaint dune]

i think claymores were fun on metro

[wind oyster]

It isnt even self promotion they can literally watch me play the game

[quaint dune]

getting those random ahh kills

[mild rock]

You can get a claymore plush

Oh yeah you were here for that

[quaint dune]

yhh

and ngl

you "being banned for being too good"

thats what they always say huh

👀

does my counter strike nose sniff some gear

[wind oyster]

You can watch my videos if you want to find cheating dont care

[gentle star]

Definitely possible if it's non dice servers

But then again it ain't a game ban

[quaint dune]

id rather not watch a video of you playing games bro

[wind oyster]

Ye community servers

Im not playing on dice servers

[wind oyster]

Then dont throw out random garbage

[waxen cypress]

Im sure he plays like its cod

[quaint dune]

isnt that what youve been doing this whole time lil bro?

[wind oyster]

🦧

[wind oyster]

No

[quaint dune]

but ill let you do you

[wind oyster]

You couldnt point me to it anyway

“Pickle said that battlefield should have overly complex movement and become movement biased and make the game harder for bad players” 🤓 ☝️

[quaint dune]

i for one never said this

soooooo

yh

👍

[wind oyster]

You agreed to bsod when he said that i did

Lol

And bsod said that im trying to make the game harder for casuals

Like yesterday i think

Which is just (lol)

[shy slate]

I also never said you said that, I used it as an example fo how you approach arguements/disagreements. I even said this 2 messages after, when you stated I quoted you verbatim

[quaint dune]

me thinking someone has a somewhat reasonable/agreeable statement is very different from me saying it myself

i think you care too much about movement mechanics

thats what i have said

[wind oyster]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[quaint dune]

a game isnt good or bad based on what movement mechanics it has

this isnt quake

[wind oyster]

Proven wrong once

[shy slate]

Also not what I said.

I said you want to make it harder for casual players you face. Which is true

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[wind oyster]

@shy slate literally what you said

Proven wrong twice

[shy slate]

Context matters

[wind oyster]

“Youre trying to make the game harder for them, they dont care about what the game is at all, they just want casual fun”

[tropic vine]

In recent years, probably a good 5 years or so more and more gamers have started complaining about "cracked" movement in games. It's really why the arena shooter industry is impossible for new devs to get into

[shy slate]

Corrected below that comment with context to the statement

Next

[wind oyster]

Corrected what

[shy slate]

Read?

[quaint dune]

me casually sitting here thinking counter strike has the best movement system of any fps

[wind oyster]

"I dont want my ability to stomp n00bs reduced" this is your correction?

To you saying “Youre trying to make the game harder for them, they dont care about what the game is at all, they just want casual fun”

Okayers

Lol

[shy slate]

That is what I was inferring, when it comes to you

[wind oyster]

How is that a correction

[shy slate]

I said it after the original statement, apologies for not referencing past works

[wind oyster]

You still stated that i want to make the game harder for others

Lol

[shy slate]

Yes, others that YOU face

[wind oyster]

But im bad at the game you said it yourself

Lol

[shy slate]

Are you actually this dence?

[wind oyster]

🤸‍♂️

🤾‍♀️

[shy slate]

Hey guys, guess what he is doing again tho

[quaint dune]

xdd

[wind oyster]

Are you gonna spam strawman argument to your strawman argument again

[quaint dune]

aight imma go watch twitch

enjoy

[wind oyster]

Im bad at the game gang theres no way that i could make the game harder for them

If only i had achieved 8kpm

[shy slate]

The statement I made, related to your skill (I have already said this BTW)...was in relation to the information you gave us. You said you have 2k hours, but then shared an account with only 500 kill on your best weapon.

With only that information available to me (and anyone else) its easy to come to the conclusion that said player is not good.

[wind oyster]

My main account is literally my discord nickname dimbwit

Its not hidden info

[shy slate]

Then...why didnt you share that one?

[wind oyster]

My main account is also on my youtube channel

You have every access to my main account

[shy slate]

You shared it as reference to your skill level...but somehow im the dimbwit?

[wind oyster]

Because its my current skill level with my current statistics

On an account that i currently play on

[shy slate]

So next time you share it...give context to the account age/play time. dont just say you have 2k hours

[wind oyster]

I only play on my main account if i want to play with friends or if i want to make a video on something

[wind oyster]

Why does it matter lol

[tropic vine]

youtuber detected, opinion now irrelevant

[waxen cypress]

Videos on how to chicken run and slide without capturing flags

[wind oyster]

You can watch them they are on battleifeld 1 where im constantly either clearing the objectives or attacking/defending them

Lets stop making braindead statements

I even allow you to point out times where you think i didnt play for the objective which i can then explain to you on what i was actually doing so you might improve yourself

But thats probably something that didnt happen

[tropic vine]

"so you might improve yourself" 🤓

[waxen cypress]

Still didnt capture flags

[wind oyster]

Standing on a cleared objective with my 15 other teammates is such a genius move

What an intelligent form of gameplay that sure is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/846124992211320852/1341119093817868429/image.png?ex=683fec3c&is=683e9abc&hm=b42197005082cb43112f0d84ea8b83106c5d841715b0a3b56e3d6380b58f7fc6& sigh i sure must suck at the game gang

Looks like its over for me

🙁

@shy slate youre bsod_gaming?

[shy slate]

Indeed I am

[wind oyster]

My girlfriend whos first pc game was 2042 plays 2042 better than you

[shy slate]

Nice, tell her GG from me

[wind oyster]

Crazy

[shy slate]

Isnt it!

[wind oyster]

42h on bf5 127h on bf1

[shy slate]

Sounds about right

[wind oyster]

500 on 2042

[sweet frost]

they're always silent when you ask them stuff like this

[wind oyster]

1k hours sorry

[sweet frost]

real

[wind oyster]

Literally public info

Guy said skill issue i sent him my current account with my recent games sub 4kpm, 4kd

Guy said i want hours my youtube is linked my nickname is literally my main account

Everythings there

Its not a murder mystery

[shy slate]

KD or SPM means anything to me. (Not that I dont understand them, I just dont call a high SPM player good by default)

[wind oyster]

Same

[wind oyster]

Lol

I sure suck at this game gang

[shy slate]

0 wins, agree

[wind oyster]

I switch to weaker teams

Lol

So it wont be a complete stomp every game

The account i sent has 64% winratio on community servers where balance is often manipulated

Thats without winswitching/loseswitching

My main account where i switch to losing sides has 48% winratio

I sure must be bad that i couldnt carry a bad team all alone in a 32v32 game

Youre only good at the game if you win 90% of the games

😔

[waxen cypress]

@wind oyster do you prefer locked or unlocked classes?

Just curious

[wind oyster]

Dont care

[waxen cypress]

Pick 1

[wind oyster]

It doesnt matter

I dont care if its locked or unlocked

[waxen cypress]

Is kdr the most important achievement?

[wind oyster]

No

[waxen cypress]

Why you always talk about it then

[wind oyster]

You can sit at the back of the map manage to get 13 kills and get 13kd

Meaningless

[wind oyster]

Because you literally said “skill issue” so i posted you my stats to prove you wrong

Sub 4kpm is top 100 region playerlevel

[waxen cypress]

Stats say you have 28 captures

Or something

[wind oyster]

Meaning im better than 99.9% of players in that game roughly

[wind oyster]

Because i dont need to stay on already cleared objectives

Its meaningless

[shy slate]

Or cap them, apparently

[wind oyster]

Teammates are capping them

Theres no enemies on the flag, theres no enemies near the flag

[shy slate]

So kills ARE the most important thing to you

[wind oyster]

Kills are the entire point of the game

[quaint dune]

false

xd

[waxen cypress]

[wind oyster]

You get objectives by killing people

You defend objectives by killing people

[quaint dune]

kills are the point in TDM

[wind oyster]

You gain map control by killing people

[quaint dune]

nope

[wind oyster]

You quite literally gain tickets by killing people

[waxen cypress]

If I had a coin for every flag I took without killing anybody sneaking in

[shy slate]

Kills leading to objective caps, sure. But such low caps are abnormal

[quaint dune]

you can be at the top of a leaderboard with 0 kills and by capping every objective

and win the game like that

[wind oyster]

I doubt you have a very high success rate of that

[shy slate]

You gain more by capping a flag

[wind oyster]

?

I just dont stay on the cap

Like for what purpose do i need to be there

[shy slate]

Cap the flag faster

[wind oyster]

For what

[quaint dune]

winning the game?

[shy slate]

To gain flags, flag majority faster

[wind oyster]

I am winning the games i have 64% winratio

[wind oyster]

In bf1 since you dont really play it generally you get more points through kills than through flags

[shy slate]

Both sides are corrct there tho. So its doesnt really matter

[wind oyster]

Its usually 500-600 kills per team and ~400 points through captured flags

[shy slate]

Na, not really the case for me at least. Or in the last/current BF.

Since each flag cap is -10 tickets for the opponent

[wind oyster]

by not making myself useless and sticking on an objective which already captures decently fast with 3-4 players is already empty and set in stone i can aid the rest of the 28 players of my team

[shy slate]

Me capping a flag is worth 10 kills

[wind oyster]

Btw the enemy cant gain points from neutralized flags

[shy slate]

*10 confirmed kills

[wind oyster]

Lol and how many flags do you capture per minute, who cleared those flags for you

[shy slate]

They can from capping a neutral flag, especially since the time from neutral to friendly, is far faster than from owned to neutral

[quaint dune]

if youre not on a contested flag because you go off chasing kills

[shy slate]

So if you leave a flag neutral, and an enemy caps it...youve just lost your team 10 tickets

[quaint dune]

then thats 1 less person on the point which gives enemy team the advantage

chasing kills doesnt work in conquest lil bro

[wind oyster]

At the end of the day its meaningless, worse players can finish capping ill push to the next flag while enemies team is weaker after fighting and losing defense i win us the next flag and i win

[quaint dune]

you can drop 900 kills in a game, doesnt matter if you lose

you aint doing anything to win the game by kill greeding

[wind oyster]

You can watch my gameplay videos im constantly on or near flags

[quaint dune]

you have a 64% WR or whatever it was cos your team is clearly capping points for you

[shy slate]

Its more like you can get 50 kills, but if your actions allowed the other team to cap 6 times, your contribution has partially been nullified

[quaint dune]

bro stop telling people to watch your gameplay

nobody wants to watch your clips

nobody is arsed about your videos

your way of thinking is so fucking backwards its insane

again

nobody

cares

no, because the way youre talking, its reasonable to assume you chase kills

[shy slate]

Like I said, both sides are partially right. Enders covered this at length several times related to how he plays. If you mop up the players attacking the bounds of a flag, it makes it easier other for players to cap

At the same time, the flag caps themselves are very important to secure.

[quaint dune]

idgaf about what videos of your games show

your words

imply you dont play the obj, or once its clear you run off after more kills

but

the argument being made is youre not getting captures

nope

im using your words

[quaint dune]

.

no enemies on the flag? you go to where the enemies are

but while youre running to the next one

the enemies are back at that flag

lmfao youre choosing to misunderstand my words

thats funny

clearly youre proving it rn xd

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-o-neill-i-can-wont-chose-not-to-yes-gif-7974617

[lucid river]

Ngl there are multiple creators out there that have proven that kills are just as if not more important than simply just sitting on OBJ lol. Getting kills while clearing and capturing an OBJ is very important. But once it is capped, it is much more beneficial to farm kills while going to another obj. Then clear obj, capture, farm kills rinse and repeat lol

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-little-better-than-everyone-else-here-eric-cartman-south-park-s9e14-bloody-mary-gif-22348317

Energy

[lucid river]

Yeah no it’s definitely not lol. I have played with my Squad hundreds of times and we have single handedly won the game by farming kills and moving point to point lol

Sitting on an already capped obj and not getting any kills or moving to cap another point and following the momentum loses games. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in games where half the team sits on the same flag while the other teams farms kills and gets momentum to all the other points

[shy slate]

Different strokes for different folks

[quaint dune]

yh thats all well and good but just to clarify, i never personally said already fully capped objs

yk

my main point was contested ones

i just worded it wrong

[lucid river]

Yeah I’m coming in without full context, just giving my two cents lol

[quaint dune]

thats fair lmfao

im cheeks at explaining my thoughts, part of being one with the tism

[lucid river]

I will say tho the way I play is the most stressful and definitely wears me out mentally after an hour lmao. Farming 70+ kills and getting like 10-14 OBJs makes my brain hurt lmao

[quaint dune]

oh yh 100%

plus my viewpoint is mainly coming from an operations/breakthrough player

since thats what i play primarily

i think its more fun

[dusk ether]

Has the discussion finally finished

[quaint dune]

think so

maybe

potentially

[lucid river]

It’s over Anakin

[quaint dune]

no

dont

ill start rampaging about bf3

that being battlefront 3

[lucid river]

Lmfao that game has the same chance of happening as Titanfall 3

[quaint dune]

DONT MAAAAN

those wounds are still fresh

[lucid river]

THE CHILDREN YEARN FOR IT

Haha

[quaint dune]

not wrong tho really

but yh lmao

im gonna go back to watching twitch

[dusk ether]

When I’m in a madness competition and my opponent is anyone in a franchise that wants a third game

[quaint dune]

ffs

[lucid river]

Lmfao

[dusk ether]

Anyways, been listening to the bf1 ost while watching these discussions fly by and it’s rather apt

It was playing on the radio the other day actually which was hype

The one thing I really want back are the somber tracks that play in the spawn screen

[lucid river]

I want Hans Zimmer to make the entire score

[quaint dune]

ooooo

that sounds good yk

[lucid river]

He’s my goat tbh lol. That man has cooked up some of the best soundtracks ever

[quaint dune]

he is good

[dusk ether]

65daysofstatic have done some pieces that sound very bf4 like

[lucid river]

Haven’t heard of them before but I’ll check em out

[dusk ether]

They did no mans sky. But they’ve got a lot of that really grindy electronic static stuff that bf4 has

With a bit of rock it feels

[quaint dune]

oooo NMS

warra game

one of the greatest redemption stories in gaming

[dull pier]

mr bone's wild ride never ends

we'll be here till we die

[vagrant pebble]

[vagrant pebble]

Solar Fields should compose BF||2143|| imo. Mirror's Edge Catalyst soundtrack was so good.

[lucid river]

Solar fields is fantastic as well. Also agree with mirrors edge

Damn I miss those games, wish I could wipe them from memory but ive played them like 4 times over lol

[thin bloom]

Technical Question:
Will it support 32-bit BF6 audio quality or will it be limited to the 24-bit standard?

[shy slate]

Surely you know no one can/will answer this

[rotund agate]

whatever it's like in 2042 now

[shy slate]

Wont talk to uneducated people > keeps asking questions they know devs wont answer, or will make people violate their NDA if answered

[thin bloom]

[shy slate]

[thin bloom]

😘

[dusk ether]

Tbf they can’t tell you even if they were doing it

[quaint dune]

xD

[obsidian scroll]

Technical question: does everyone love the unrestricted weapon classes???

[ancient heath]

Eh

[astral kelp]

[rotund agate]

the thing they're calling "signature weapons" didn't work in 2042 and it won't work now

[ancient heath]

Yeah why would they iterate on a game that isn’t rly considered to be battlefield lol

[dusk ether]

mixed. After dwelling on it more i'm inbetween

[tropic vine]

If signature weapons are gonna exist as a fun way to min max a lil bit, then they need more perks. Not necessarily better perks, but more so you have a bunch of lil bonuses across the board

I'm pro unlocked guns, but I think providing incentives to use certain types is fine. I'd like it if the different subclasses or whatever they are called have different ones too

[pure zinc]

How do you know that though. The main reason it didnt work is there wasnt really any classes.

[vagrant pebble]

2042 has classes and signature weapons, it doen't work

[tropic vine]

BFV was supposed to have dragging and it "didn't work"

[vagrant pebble]

Dragging was never put into the game unlike classes and signature weapons

[tropic vine]

That just means it "didn't work" even more

[pure zinc]

It doesnt work becuase the game is bad

[vagrant pebble]

Gunplay isn't an issue in 2042 tbh, it's an issue in BF6(at least for now)

[pure zinc]

You gotta be delusional

The gunplay IS indeed an issue

The fact that you can cross map people easily

Lack of bloom

💀

[vagrant pebble]

It ''was'' an issue, it ''is'' not an issue now

[pure zinc]

Ehhh

[obsidian scroll]

2042's gunplay feels like cardboard soaked in milk. Doesn't make sense? Yea, neither does that game

[astral kelp]

I don’t have much experience soaking cardboard in milk

[fresh cliff]

Imo a lack of bloom/spread is a severe issue in a lot of recent fps games

[pure zinc]

Yeah

[dull pier]

Im not a fan

[astral kelp]

I’d rather have pattern recoil like CS over random spread….although, now that I think about it weapon balance goes out the window if enough people learn a weapon’s recoil and can laser beam across the map. More bloom/random spread would force weapons into their proper engagement distances 🤔

[serene igloo]

People complaining about unlocked weapons are ridiculous, and obviously don’t play the the game

[astral kelp]

I want locked weapons. Enjoyed it in BF1

[serene igloo]

Bf1 99% of people just played assault

Also don’t like recon and the spawn beacon being hamstrunged by being forced to camp with a sniper like a loser

[astral kelp]

I think 99% of people are going to play “assault” regardless. Meds + AR. Meta

[serene igloo]

Ok, so class locking weapons doesn’t solve that problem

But creates more problems

[astral kelp]

It’ll force more gun variety in matches

Unless everyone just is selfish and picks a single class

[serene igloo]

No because everyone will just choose assault to use the assault rifles

Just like bf4 just like bf3 just like bf1

[astral kelp]

on smaller maps, like lockers, maybe

but other maps that wasn’t the case

[serene igloo]

Cap

[astral kelp]

unless you were on a black hole of a team, which at that point it’s GG

[serene igloo]

If you weren’t playing assault you were playing engineer using a carbine which are basically assault rifles which doesn’t solve the problem

[pure zinc]

If anything no class locked guns is good, it makes it impossible for people to pick a class for a gun and now only for the gadgets

[astral kelp]

Truth be told, neither way is going to convince the player base to play as a team. Those days are long gone. Everyone just wants to be an Enders 2.0 and farm kills with their ARs and stims and play Locker 24-7

[pure zinc]

It incentives using the class you want now

No more having assault rifle which is the best gun class in assault anymore

So people stop majority using assualt and its more spread

[pure zinc]

True

It makes no difference really

[astral kelp]

There’s a problem behind that tho: “I don’t wanna use this class that’ll help my team rn cuz my fav gun is over here”. I mean, is someone like that really gonna give af what’s going on in the first place? Prob not imo

[serene igloo]

Nobody played as a team most of the time anyways tho

[dull pier]

They didn't in 2042 either

[serene igloo]

Yeah, that’s the point nobody ever plays as a team in these games unless they are with their friends

Locking weapons to classes won’t fix that it’s just how the game is

[dull pier]

Unlocking it won't either lol

[humble root]

another video proofing, that people use a wide variety of weapons in 2042, not "just the same AR" as people claim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncIygIOMhAk

[serene igloo]

Ok, but unlocking them means more people will play different classes meaning you atleast have a higher chance of getting ammo or health

[dull pier]

No it won't lol people will just choose the one class that benefits them most

And their favourite gun

[mild rock]

That's how players play the game yes.

They will main their most favoured class and weapon.

Lots like medic, lots like assault.

[serene igloo]

Exactly

[serene igloo]

Ok bro hating on someone just bc they are good at the game ain’t helping your argument here

[dull pier]

Wdym hating lmao

[humble root]

dude, even back in BC2 when we played on xbox 360, we would play on 24/7 arica harbor CQ server
this ain't nothing new, infantry only modes / maps have always been the most popular.
hell even in BF2, the most popular was strike at karkand. with only 1 LAV + 1 MBT

[serene igloo]

This is what I mean

Just because someone is good at playing infantry doesn’t mean they are invalid

[mild rock]

I think the lesser of two evils should be done.

Looking at it objectively yadda yadda

[serene igloo]

I just want the game to work at launch

And have more then 5 maps and guns at launch

[dull pier]

2 gun. One map

And a buggy

Oh and if you pre order you get early access to a unfinished build and a free skin for the tank coming in season 4

(Its common rarity and can be earned ingame a week later by anyone)

[empty elk]

I think the classes should be as follows. Assault should be the medic, that is, healer. Suppliers for ammunition, pioneer anti tank, sniper of the reconnaissance. So just the class system of bf3.

[gentle star]

What

[dull pier]

I feel like assault medic support and scout is generally imo the most logical class choices, I dont think engineer needs to really exist, however if you did have assault be a medic idk what else you'd fill the gap with

Also dice is being rlly quiet about this entire thing

I wonder if they are waiting till june

Well later june* to talk about it or not

[tropic vine]

They are quiet about everything, because the announcement is soonTM

[shy slate]

I love that this vids creator is trying their best to prove eclipses video false...but actually ends up proving them correct...then being in full on denial of the fact.

[tropic vine]

what was eclipses vid about, i don't watch bf youtubers

[shy slate]

It was a test to see if BF players in an unlocked weapon system will actually "Only use 1 or 2 of the best weapons, and nothing else" as many people claim.

the result was that no...players use an extremely diverse set of weapons, with no clear meta.

[humble root]

yeah, he doesn't make any sense.

[shy slate]

Even tho their video is a terrible way to repeat eclipses tests...as they are clearly a mega sweat, and only count weapons that killed them (Ecpilse counted all kills in every game from every player)...its still hilarious that both videos have the same conclusion

The best SMG in the game (the AC9) didnt even kill them 1 time. Which further disproves the "Only meta guns will be used" claim

[tropic vine]

The one counter argument people will have is "everyone will use the new gun from the battlepass for a while" but that will happen regardless lol

[humble root]

it's funny tho, that he came to the conclusion, that the weapons he got killed more, are also better weapons than the ones he got killed less.
even tho the ACR & RM68 are light years better than the M416. which got him killed way more than the "meta" weapons

[shy slate]

Yeah, and thats supposed to happen...its what most devs want, and why they usually make the new weapons OP at their release

[tropic vine]

Americans love the M4 what can I say

[humble root]

yeah, imagine if we had class locked weapons, when the RM68 & VHX came out.
nobody would've played any other class than assault for 3 months straight

[tropic vine]

"why does nobody revive me??? DICE is incompetent smh"

[shy slate]

I think a lot of people will still play a class they like to play. Even in BF3 (SCAR or M16A3) and BF4 (ACE23) where there were CLEAR superior weapons on other classes...I still preferred to play support or Engineer.

[tropic vine]

Someone on the subreddit pointed out that regardless of the gameplay benefits, this system is also done for the live service so that every class will always have something to enjoy. It's good for player retention. BFV didn't have many seasons, but in a couple seasons certain classes got absolutely nothing. That's 3 months without anything new + the time it takes to grind the next pass to get something

[shy slate]

lol, yeah the medic got nothing for like 5 months...after content did actually start releasing

[tropic vine]

i remember that VERY well as I only used Medic

[shy slate]

I still dont mind what they decide on tho. Locked or unlocked is all good with me

[velvet dirge]

i think its a good idea that i somehow had this channel hidden

[shy slate]

But dont you love to have the same discussion 25 times a day?

[gentle star]

It's about time they archive it tbh

[dusk ether]

I love how it’s the only one that’s needed a full channel made because people had so much to say about it

[mild rock]

There was something always going on!

Ehhhh I think they've got something planned and then they will close it.

[dull pier]

probably i'd be shocked if they didn't bring it up at all

[tropic vine]

i'd argue it's more beneficial for them to not bring it up. The "veterans" will be mad about anything DICE does if it's not 100% giving into their demands

[dull pier]

uh huh,

[tropic vine]

it will be more difficult for them to riot if they are not given any ammunition

[dull pier]

lmao what

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah clearly people who played BF before 2042 don't play the game 😂

[dull pier]

kinda what i mean by how this is basically just politics for gamer gremlins, both sides have said some of the most braindead shit ive seen

[vagrant pebble]

Wide variety of same 3-4 meta weapons, even he says in the video he will never die to a P90, he will die to K30 or M5A3 or AK5C

[dull pier]

but also both make okay points at times too

[dull pier]

im referencing the msg ur replying to*

it has to be bait

[tropic vine]

what do i need to elaborate on

[shy slate]

Can tell you didn't watch the video.

It's actually insane the lengths some will go to to try favor data to their cause. This CC did a test that's basically "These are the weapons that only killed me" (They are an ultra sweat) and still their result shows massive weapon variety

The SFAR killed them most and not a single person will tell you it's a meta weapon.

[proud plank]

Delete DMR's Please....either u are a Sniper or not...this trash DMR do too much DMG....
They schould get a massive Nerf or completely deleted

[dull pier]

i haven't watched it so i cant speak on results but doing tests like this is pretty difficult unfortunately due to how gathering data is reccomended to be handled

[shy slate]

The tests themselves are easy to do.

[dull pier]

you need a control variable and thats what i mean by doing a control variable would be difficult for either side of the argument

[shy slate]

You don't need a control for such a test.

Just a large enough set of data. That being player kills in live games.

[dull pier]

it makes results more certain with a control is my point

like i said i haven't seen it yet and im saying this for either side

[shy slate]

What could your control even be for a test that is looking to see what weapons players use, and is it the same 3-5 meta weapons?

[dull pier]

you need to test multiple servers on multiple maps, because like we have seen maps sometimes influence class choice, or weapon choice, like bfv panzerstorm im usually scout for longer range fights or assaut for AT.

However on the church map im medic bc its smaller engagements and more chaotic and people die faster

some servers on bf1 half the lobby uses one gun or class on the same map and another people use different stuff

[shy slate]

You need to use 2042 for the test

No other game has unlocked weapons

[dull pier]

yeah?

thats what im talking about

[shy slate]

Panzerstorm?

Church map?

[dull pier]

yeah im using an example for weapon variety in BFV like i said

[shy slate]

I see

[dull pier]

and bf1 too, even 2042 for the limited time i played it

[shy slate]

The test is specific to games with unlocked weapon systems anyways. Probs best to watch the video intro, then skip to the end result. This creator is dilusional tho. Even tho their results show a variety of weapons used, they still say that only meta guns will be used in an unlocked weapons system.

[vagrant pebble]

4 BTK AR up to 50 meters isn't meta obviously 😂 Bruh it's THE meta AR. PP29 makes most others obsolete but not SFAR.

[shy slate]

Yeah, it isn't

Go watch the video tho

Ac9 not even featured and it's THE meta SMG.

[pure zinc]

No

[vagrant pebble]

AC9 isn't meta outside of CQC maps.

PP29 is

AR damage model, LMG mag size, SMG speed

[obsidian scroll]

🤓☝️

[shy slate]

So this applies to every "meta" weapon then I guess. Do. We just put a bunch of asterisk beside the word meta?

SFAR is meta*

*outside of cqc areas

[vagrant pebble]

It works like that

You won't use Type 2A in Panzerstorm

[serene igloo]

They’ve only been playing since bf1, and likely never actually put more then 100 hours into the game which means their opinion holds less value

[proud plank]

@pure zinc Its just unfair if they do same DMG but can burst on you....people qith DMR's are no Snipers in my eyes🙈

[pure zinc]

Skill issue

Also snipers are gimmicky

Snipers never really make in impact on match lol

[proud plank]

@pure zinc So you have never seen a good Sniper....there is 0 Skill Issue😂 dont want to upset you but same DMG Output with much much much higher firerate😂 come on

[shy slate]

Removing something that 0.01% of the playerbase will ever be elite with seems like not the best move

[proud plank]

@shy slate the thing is they try to kill via Headshot and if it miss they spam fire on you till 1 bullet hit you👀

[shy slate]

So the same as any weapon

[sacred wave]

i need bf6 NOW

[humble root]

he played 10 matches, that's a pretty solid sample size, imo.
more is always better obvioulsy, but if there're a pretty good variety in 10 matches, it'll likely be like that even in 20

[mighty zealot]

What are we testing?

[hearty lark]

Can we just stick with the same classes as bf3 and 4 no need for all this gadget rubbish. Get it back to battlefield roots. Fair enough have pick ups on a timer like the sniper in locker conquest but keep it simple and nice. Go back to the basics and you will have a sell out game but it looks like it will be screwed like 2042!

[pure zinc]

Bluds complaining about DMRs yet majority of people domt use them.

Battlefield fans try not to complain about stupid stuff challenge impossible

[tropic vine]

at this point i've decided that BF "fans" not only want to complain, but need to complain. There's people out there cherry picking every lil detail just to find something to complain about

[mild rock]

Is the OHK SVK to the face a problem? Yes.

I dont have a problem gravitating to a weapon if it means it isn't unbalanced.

[light quarry]

OHK dmr to the dome close to med range isnt much of a problem with a slow fire rate and sluggish handling like the SR338 in BF4, its got enough of a learning curve to deter most people from ever using it. The SVK is bc 2042 has non liniar dmg fall of so it only drops in dmg after 125m and the spread while moving over all in that game is Much lower, like 1 degree vs 0.19 degrees.

[wind oyster]

Dmrs are only broken in a game without movement and if they are super spammable

Imagine m1 garand from bf2042 if it had bf1 movement

😍

[mild rock]

A dmr just getting one hit kills is stupid due to it purely being a semi auto with a high fire rate.

[dull pier]

Bf1 and 5 movement were peak imo

Is the m1 in 2042 rlly good? I never got to use it when I last played

[viral grove]

Two shot kill up to 75 meters and one shot kill in the head under 20ish meters
But it has kind of a harsh recoil

[dull pier]

damn

kinda nuts

[wind oyster]

Bf1 had no movement

[wispy carbon]

BF1 movement was so freckin boring

[dull pier]

man attention span really has declined

[wind oyster]

?

[wind oyster]

There was none

[tropic vine]

it really sucked that everyone in BF1 was stuck standing around in the spawn point, and it was just randomly decided who would win

[wind oyster]

?

[dull pier]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-battlefield-1-duel-gif-1877207740608944596

i miss when the majority of new fps releases just let you walk, run, crouch and lay down lol

sliding in bf1/V was probably the best imo cuz it wasn't really that noticable in combat compared to more recent games

[wind oyster]

Bf2 had dolphin diving

Bf3 had ads stablitation jump, jump peeking. Chain jumps, strafing

Bf4 had strafing, airstrafing, jump chaining, jump peeking, ads stablisation jumping, crouch slide or stand slide after crouching once or twice mid air, crouch spam

Bf1- cant use jump for anything, cant use slide for anything, cant strafe, cant crouch spam

Bf5- 4 directional slide, jump shooting, leaning mid slide/jumping, manual leaning, ads stabilitation jump, crouch run, roll

5 probs had more stuff cant think of more atm

[shy slate]

Yet BF1 is the most successful game in the franchise. Go figure. A nice balance between the predictability of BF1 and the movement ability of V would be nice.

[wind oyster]

?

[tropic vine]

indeed

[wind oyster]

“A nice balance of nothing and movement would be nice”💀

[shy slate]

Thanks for repeating my sentence, but yes. Not no movement ability, but not overly fast as many disliked with V

[wind oyster]

Bf5 has equal amount of active players as bf1

And 5 isnt overly fast, wasnt disliked for movement in the first place

[shy slate]

The average player wants a mostly predictible experience, not to be jump strafed or corner jumped constantly

[shy slate]

Yet it sold under half as many copies

[wind oyster]

The issue that 5 had was “looks” “woman” “arm” and “visibility” (valid)

And maps were dogshit

[wind oyster]

Yes and it still has equal amount of players

Actively playing it

[shy slate]

the most common thing youll hear in the BF community is also "BF1 was peak" with next to no mention of BFV...outside of randoms aying they liked its movement

Speaks volumes TBH

[tropic vine]

not worth arguing with him as far as I'm concerned, unless you are just bored rn. He's not gonna argue in good faith, as you can see. He just squabbles for fun

[wind oyster]

Speaks volumes that people are bad at the games and want a game with completely nothing

[shy slate]

Yeah, ill just get called a casual, or a bot for having a differing opinion.

There we go, right on time.

[wind oyster]

Its true though

[shy slate]

"You dont like the same thing as me, so you are bad"

[wind oyster]

They want no skill depth because the game would be too hard for them otherwise

[shy slate]

Im speaking for me

[wind oyster]

Funnily enough remember how you talked about how the majority of players dont play against players that actually understand when and how to use these mechanics

[dull pier]

dude how do you enjoy literally any game pre like 2012 if you consider bf1 movement as nothing lol

[wind oyster]

.

[wind oyster]

.

[tropic vine]

Pickle argues with one hand while anyone responses to his bad faith and intentionally dumbed down points

[wind oyster]

I mean theres literally 0 reason to have less movement options and viability than 2042 or 5

[dull pier]

i cant double sprint in skyrim bad game

[wind oyster]

I also really need to make a video on bf5 slide

[wind oyster]

Its a PVE RPG game

[shy slate]

Also doesnt care about the quality of the games for the vast majority of players, only for them. Which is fine. But I can only imagine the garbage pile of a game we would get if they just gave them what they wanted.

[tropic vine]

clearly you hate skill, as movement is the only defining characteristic of skill

[wind oyster]

People arent losing anything from a video game from having an usuable slide

[dull pier]

fuck its like when people in battlebit figured out a movement exploit and people started to stop playing until they tried to fix it

[wind oyster]

Be fr

[wind oyster]

Battlebit died due to lack of content and updates

Lets not make things up

Also bad patches

[dull pier]

bro you weren't there lol, the movement exploit had people pissed

it wasnt "THE" reason

[wind oyster]

I played the pre alpha, beta and launch day

[tropic vine]

if it is an exploit, the one using it is the one lacking skill as they clearly cannot win a fight fairly

[wind oyster]

Until the game pretty much died

[wind oyster]

Never heard of it

Never saw it

[dull pier]

you could tldr basically jump, and then do some imput shit to slide backwards

and it wasn't a thing till mid-late life

[wind oyster]

Meaning not really an issue

[shy slate]

Use BF4 movement exploits as example of stuff in BF4 > Movement exploits in other games arent an issue

[dusk ether]

Oh so you not seeing movement performed in a game means it doesn’t have movement

An interesting perspective

Given what was being said a few days ago

[wind oyster]

Bf4 exploits werent an issue either

[shy slate]

Because...

[wind oyster]

Because rarely used

[dull pier]

do you have like mental breakdowns when going on a walk because you cant slide cancel and bhop irl or smth dude

[shy slate]

OMG he actually admitted it

[dusk ether]

Literal 180

Amazing

[dusk ether]

It took 2 days but you can finally rest easy

[wind oyster]

https://youtu.be/jQl5mY3Ekpk?si=FBrglan795rocKSj “slide too fast” 👴

[wind oyster]

?

[tropic vine]

OMG SCREENSHOT

[shy slate]

You spend like 3 hours arguing that those movement things were common BF4 2/3 days ago, now a complete 180 cos youre trying to prove a point in a different game. Just shows how unreliable you are, opinion wise

[wind oyster]

They are currently common

[shy slate]

Oh it had to be done

Watch them try to backtrack now...cos they can forever not use this example to win an arguement on movement

[wind oyster]

You are talking about games that you likely did not play much back in the day and havent touched since the release of bf4

You can go to pretty much any cqc based server and youll see it in practically every server

[shy slate]

Look at the back tracking

🤣

Sorry bro, big mistake. At least you were honest for once. even if you had to be tricked into it

[wind oyster]

Because the current players (2-3k) that are playing have played it for far longer and actually are more likely to know and use these exploits

[wind oyster]

How did you trick me into anything

Its pretty obvious that no one used zouzou rouzou vouzou mouzou actively back in the prime days of bf4

[shy slate]

Thats not what you were saying a few days ago

[wind oyster]

When bf4 had a much larger and a much fresher playerbase

[wind oyster]

?

[dull pier]

dude i played bf4 a week ago and only one person on locker that i saw (killed me) used it

[wind oyster]

I talked about airstrafing you dimbwit

💀

[shy slate]

Ah were back to losing > abuse the other person. Careful to not get another time out.

[wind oyster]

I legit talked about airstrafing though

[shy slate]

this room was actually somewhat bearable in that day

[dusk ether]

Glad I could be here for this momentous occasion

Let me know when some actually interesting discussions happen

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-short-why-are-they-confessing-they're-not-confessing-they're-bragging-gif-10211357989299557283

[wind oyster]

.

Airstrafing is not an exploit in the game

Airstrafing is a mechanic that allowed you to move within air with your midair AWSD keys and you were also able to move with your mouse obviously

[dull pier]

all i need to do is say 3 words and this chat group would light up for 30 minutes about the same topic lol

[wind oyster]

I know youre pretty much clueless on the series since you only played 2042 but please stop talking about exploits if you dont know about them

And cant differate between exploits and implanted game mechanics

And you have no counter arguments because you lied about a statement that i apparently made (again) lol

Like the same time when you tried telling everyone how i wanted to make the game harder for everyone and wanted them to add complex movement

[shy slate]

Look at him raging and talking away to himself

🤣

Head loss

[wind oyster]

No ones raging

I can pull up those exact messages

[dusk ether]

Good film

[shy slate]

Hardly far from the truth is it?

[wind oyster]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[dusk ether]

It’s possible for us to have a genuine discussion, it’s just a certain someone here cannot

[wind oyster]

Why lie when i can send the message links lol

[shy slate]

How is me saying this some kinda "Gotcha" moment?

[wind oyster]

I just said youre lying about statements

[shy slate]

This is why you want it, you...as a better player...want more advanced movement, so you can be even better than an average player.

AKA...you want it to be harder for an average player to compete again you. Making the game harder for them

[wind oyster]

Im even better than an average player with or without movement it doesnt matter it just makes the game less garbage

[wind oyster]

It wont be harder for anyone and its easier for them aswell to play the game lol

[shy slate]

The lies we tell ourselves

[wind oyster]

Instead of dying to unavoidable grenades, vehicles, uncrossable parts of the map

[shy slate]

👍

[wind oyster]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

Why do you outright lie though

Like where do you even make these statements up from

[shy slate]

Because you change your reasoning for and opinion on things more than my GF

[wind oyster]

I havent

[shy slate]

agree to disagree

[wind oyster]

It isnt an agree to disagree

You can prove me wrong on it

[shy slate]

For me it is, c'ya

[wind oyster]

Aw leaving because youre losing? Like the other 3 times i told you to prove me wrong on those statements?

🥺

[shy slate]

See I dont care about losing. I got what I wanted

[dull pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cod-waw-call-of-duty-world-at-war-cod-world-at-war-call-of-duty-waw-gif-12924659322008428516

[wind oyster]

What does this prove btw

[shy slate]

Have a nice day, back to work for me

[wind oyster]

You screenshotted it as if ive denied that exploits were barely used?

When we never talked about exploits?

Lol?

[vagrant pebble]

Average player plays Fortnite, Apex, CoD, those games has movement, if you take away movement from BF and make it more and more casual they won't stick for long because they will think it's boring af.

[wind oyster]

Its not even about it being more or less fun you just legit cant play a game that doesnt even allow you to strafe

Like what the fuck lol

32v32 game and youre forced to stand still whilist being constantly in contact with most of the enemies

https://youtu.be/-KjULtW4ugg?si=xebrk55dOA6zyFeR you get shat on by nades like this 99% of the time in bf1

And for what good reason? Just so bad players can obtain lazy, unskilled, cheap free kills?

[dull pier]

what, defines a skilled player to you?

sliding around like a decapitated chicken or lik what?

[wind oyster]

How does use of slide make someone a good player

Or spamming it at random occurances

“i think the people who are asking for less movement dont understand that having movement doesnt mean its going to be absurdly mechanically skill based”
“and the people who are asking for movement within the game dont mean complex high paced movement either”

“it was a good slide for rotating between positions and moving around positions”
“you could slide into peeks, slide into cover, slide from one position to the other”

Thats like the actual mindful use of a slide mechanic

Talked about bf5 slide specifically

[wind oyster]

Ingeneral, a good player is someone who makes good thought out plays with good positioning, with good predictions, good map knowledge, good at gunplay mechanics, good at movement mechanics, good timing, good target picking, good aim, keeps momentum high

[wind oyster]

Also notice how bf5 slide is used for positioning so it actually makes that “grounded positioning gameplay” even better

[wind oyster]

And being able to slide in and out of cover meant that you arent stuck to running from position A to position B in a singular running motion (only option in bf1)

Youre less predictable, to shoot at, harder to react to

[obsidian scroll]

Im just trying to have fun gaming, jesus

If you guys are super analizing ms worth of ads and movement mechanics this hard, just:

https://www.dice.se/careers

[wind oyster]

We all are

[obsidian scroll]

Most of the community doesn't get that impression

[dusk ether]

Maybe we also want games to be fun and we are just trying to figure out what would be fun for us

[obsidian scroll]

That's like a government passing a bill that makes everyone happy

[reef orbit]

LOCK THE GUNS IN CLASSES !!! Don’t need an assault class running a sniper rifle! Battlefield devs it’s not that hard

[pure zinc]

Do snipers ever genuinely make an impact in a match?

No they dont

It doesnt matter

🤦‍♂️

[reef orbit]

Yes it does if we’re emphasizing and getting back to class play 😑

[lucid hawk]

A good one can

[pure zinc]

Still won't

[dull pier]

yeah..

[pure zinc]

In conquest?

No

[dull pier]

yes lol

[pure zinc]

You are forced to camp

[dull pier]

you really aren't

[pure zinc]

And can't really go for obj as well as you are cqc impaired

[lucid hawk]

Thats what snipers do ya dunce

[dusk ether]

can still prevent repeeks or take out those people holding defensive spots due to the instant ttk

[pure zinc]

Yeah and that's why they dont make an impact lmao

You just proved my point

But I'm talking about conquest specifically

[dull pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[pure zinc]

Battlefield 4 class locked was negligible and you dont complain, its not much of a difference.

People will stop choosing a class for a gun anymore and just choose for the class itself

Also not many people play their classes right

[lucid hawk]

You ever been not able to move close to a point because a cracked sniper turns his entire direction into a kill zone?

[pure zinc]

Barely

💀

[lucid hawk]

Fair, it does happen tho.

[pure zinc]

Not too much

[ancient heath]

Sniper might aswell be a recon like lmao

[pure zinc]

Hmmm wait

[lucid hawk]

It is

[dull pier]

idk why you think snipers do nothing lol

[dusk ether]

let people pick snipers but just raise bullet drop so people go up close

boom

[dull pier]

ive seen them defend entire OBJs in conquest

[pure zinc]

I didnt say they do nothing

I said they usually dont make an impact on a match

They dont really

Not much

[dull pier]

you said no lmfao

[pure zinc]

Requires skill to be good at

[ancient heath]

Well yeah

To provide an effective outcome

[pure zinc]

You said that I said that they do nothing when I didnt say that

They just dont make much of an impact usually

It requires skill to

[lucid hawk]

They are the only class with a spawn placer, and a good placement of one is game changing

[dull pier]

"do snipers ever genuinely make an impact in a match?

no they dont"

literally word for word what you said lol

[pure zinc]

Ok

But there's a difference between doing nothing and not making an impact

Stop putting words in my mouth

[ancient heath]

Usually the receiving end can’t effectively fire back unless they’re a sniper aswell

[dull pier]

bro you said that

im not putting any words in ur mouth lmao

[pure zinc]

Well funny enough people usually just use a Carbine/DMR as opposed to sniper om the class

[reef orbit]

BF1 didn’t have any sniper rifles in assault class if I recall correctly? Just bolt actions and semi auto rifles?

[pure zinc]

There's a difference between doing nothing and not making an impact on a match

[lucid hawk]

True

[pure zinc]

That's what I do sometimes

Im not really a sniper player myself

[dull pier]

"im taking the goal post, and moving it somewhere else"

[pure zinc]

More AR, Carbines and dmr

[lucid hawk]

All depends on how you play the role, if you like ARs and DMRs go ahead. But I still believe that someone with a great aim and a sniper can lock down an entire point. Snipers CAN make an impact, but you got to be a good shot

[reef orbit]

Agreed^

[lucid hawk]

I am not one of those people, but I still Stand by that statement as I have seen it happen a lot

[pure zinc]

Well someone with great aim is mostly what will make them make an impact with snipers

But good aim with a sniper specifically

Some people literally use them so much they know the bullet drop at all ranges pretty much

Those are the people who can make an impact

Like fast firing

[dusk ether]

it is so genuinely funny when someone starts shooting at you with an ar and you just instantly tap them

[pure zinc]

1 taps