community-update-classes

[wind oyster]

You can have both

Like 2042 had

[real garden]

Like you would assume that someone is caping a point if the color is changing. What's the problem with that? I'm genuinely asking

[wind oyster]

Im confused on what youre asking rn

[charred crown]

Before we used to say some like this “In cod if you see a player taking cover on a wall just shoot through the wall, in BF if you see someone taking cover on a wall just destroy the wall” lol

[wind oyster]

How does this = being able to make good rotations, position switches or movement switch ups in 1v1s

Its boring to play a game where your entire gunfight relies on who has the better angle

[real garden]

What's the problem with assuming the movement of your enemy based on in game cues (such as smoke or a flag changing in conquest).

It's part of the game sense ain't it?

[wind oyster]

And sometimes its literally impossible to go anywhere

[wind oyster]

No im just saying that smoking something doesnt = a successful evade

[rustic seal]

Yeah in BF you constantly need to adapt

[wind oyster]

Its generally movement

Strafing, air strafing, sliding. Bhopping, crouch spam

[real garden]

Yes obviously. But it's not a problem, the contrary would be quite boring.

Evading an enemy, whatever technic you use, is fun at the end of the day because it might not work. Well that's my 2 cents anyway.

[wind oyster]

Yeah but you have more odds of being able to play the game than get into an unwinnable situation purely because someone on accident was in the right spot

[dusk ether]

I do love it when someone tries to ninja smoke vanish, blocking off you own team’s visibility in the process :|

[wind oyster]

💀💀

And then your team gets killed because they couldnt see

[real garden]

Absolute classic lmao

[wind oyster]

So classic

Idk why they always feel the need to throw it infront of their team aswell

Or on top of their team

Like how does that help me

🦧

[rustic seal]

Sometimes it actually can same you whole squad too though xD

[wind oyster]

Im going to see people that are inside a smoke better than trying to see enemies whilist inside a smoke

[dusk ether]

Or medics that always smoke the body of someone they are reviving. While in some situations it’s obviously beneficial, smoking someone while we are pushing the bridge on twisted steel is not the play

[rustic seal]

Anything can happen in Bf. Expect the unexpected

[wind oyster]

Yeah i sure wonder where that dead body vanished to

[rustic seal]

I love that

[wind oyster]

“How did you know” ahh players

“Wallhacker wallhacker he shot through smoke!!!”

[real garden]

It's vary depending like you said, but when I play medic I tend to smoke the general direction the enemy is at, blinding them rather than the body I'm reviving for sure

It's a bit smoke 101 ngl

[wind oyster]

Yeah thats how smoke should be played

Lexienn from bf1 is the greatest smoke abuser ive seen

[real garden]

So satisfying to get call a cheater though ahah

[wind oyster]

I just dont even fight it when i see him throw out smokes

[wind oyster]

Its getting annoying at this point

[real garden]

I'm still in the liking it phase I guess lol

[wind oyster]

Im banned from like majorty of the bf1 servers and banned from all bf5 servers

[dusk ether]

Wish the games had some kind of tutorial section to explain these things

[wind oyster]

Cant play a full game in a new server without getting kicked

[wind oyster]

I could write a bible about every niche thing but idk the amount of effort these videos would take is too much

Enders actually had some pretty good gameplay tip videos

https://youtu.be/Yn6bEWskmVY?si=Qj5dsmaOL0EYs9VN

Its him explaining what he does and what he pays attention to

[real garden]

Ah then yeah for sure. Makes sense

[wind oyster]

And when you look a this gameplay hes not doing anything thats “tryharding” in the way that people think

Hes just playing his angles correctly, pays attention to enemy rotations, pays attention to his teammates

Uses good timing to capture enemies more off guard

Like theres nothing hard about what he does

Just regular mindful gameplay

[dusk ether]

Yeah I did end up starting my own sort of ‘shooter handbook’ when I started learning fps games proper. Mostly for myself though, might consider expanding it and posting it someplace

[wind oyster]

Its pretty worthless

People wont watch it anyway

Or they do but they dont actually take away anything from it

[dusk ether]

I just get frustrated when a ‘battlefield how to get good!’ Video is just someone talking about attachments, fov and sensitivity for 15 minutes

Catalysts videos were some of the best I’ve watched for not doing that

[wind oyster]

Ye things that legit do not matter and are entirely preference based

I noted preference settings out in my settings showcase aswell

I remember teaching a 0.4kpm 0.6kd frame by frame explaining what i was thinking of looking at and doing

Hes now like near 2kd 1.5kpm which is like roughly 3-4x his stats

Which actually is pretty good for a controller player on pc

[dusk ether]

Just had me realising I’ve not watched anyone else play bf for like a year

I’m at the point though where I can deduce what someone is thinking usually from their clips alone, but it is funny how some people are just allergic to people wanting to enjoy the game more by playing better

Been trying to find some more bfV players but they’ve all stopped playing or flocked to 2042

Or are on controller

[wind oyster]

Im actually really confused on by people that dont play the game with a single thought and enjoy the game still

Its so uninteresting to do nothing

[wind oyster]

Bf5 is just stacks on dice its not even playable if you solo and no good players wants to suffer in cancer like that tbh

And 2042 is just boring

Bf1 is the only game where you sctively see a ton of 3+ kpm players

[dusk ether]

Just look at the pretty lights and complain about hitmarkers not being immersive or something

[wind oyster]

💀

[light quarry]

nice hacks compilation my guy

kinda invalidates your argument if the movement is acquired by abusing glitches/hacks

[rustic seal]

Its not hack its just quick target switching. But these are just clips anyway the guy don't play a whole match like this by killing 4 players in 3 seconds everytime fortunatly

[light quarry]

its still abusing movement glitches to move in a way thats not intended by the devs

[rustic seal]

I agree that clearly that's not how BF is supposed to be played xd This defintely looks like more like COD than BF in this case

But it allows you to do so

I've always prefer large scale maps with vehicles etc.. like real war. Not close combat stuff. There COD for that.

[solar trout]

weapons must be locked for the various classes like in the old battlefields

[wind oyster]

Lol???

[wind oyster]

It doesnt because even without rouzou vouzou mouzou and slithering you still have more movement than in bf1

[wind oyster]

Still a high kpm

[waxen cypress]

I pickle you is a troll dont bother

[wind oyster]

Im sorry bf1 glazer but no ones trolling you by saying that battlefield 4 was significally faster paced than 1

And no ones trolling you by saying that bf4 had more movement mechanics

[light quarry]

bro sippin the special pickle juice

[wind oyster]

? Lol

I mean if bf1 is genuinely fast in your minds then idk

[waxen cypress]

I dont even know what you're yapping about

[light quarry]

glitchless, bf1 is a little faster, with glitch movement, bf4 is way faster yes but arguing that 4 is faster without specifying and acting like that kind of movement is intentional is a bit skewed

[civic oasis]

Can we get a remastered BF3 I think that’s the best one yall made

[vagrant pebble]

BF4 has faster default movement speed even without glitches

BF1 running speed: 6m/s, BF4 running speed: 6.75 m/s

Even regular movement is faster, you can crouch spam or jumpshot in BF4, you can't in BF1

[light quarry]

im not arguing pure running or walking speed

[vagrant pebble]

Uhh.. What's faster in BF1 compared to 4 then?

[rustic seal]

im with you

Also they should release all BF3 map remastered in Bf6

[astral kelp]

and also drop the battle royale mode

[light quarry]

vaulting over obstacles and sliding down slopes. you had a few more options to move around making up for the slightly slower run and walk speeds making the overall pace pretty on par and in some cases a bit faster

[polar holly]

i think a BR in the battlefield setting with some vehicles and destruction would be really fun

warzone IS fun, a battlefield version, as long as its also free to play, w ould be cool

follow the same model, free battle royal, pay for the normal multiplayer

[rustic seal]

There is potential to make it fun I agree

[wind oyster]

Lol????

Vaulting makes the game insanely fast man

Thats some next level movment

Also you could jump crouch down slopes in 4 aswell im pretty sure

Bf4 has bhopping,ads stabilization jump from 3, air strafing, regular strafing, jump into slide

Crouch spamming was better

[vagrant pebble]

Faster vaulting helps with the pacing but I wouldn't say it makes the game overall faster

[wind oyster]

It doesnt

Also vouzou was entirely about vaulting

So was slithering

You legit never use any form of movement in 1 in your gunfights its just purely positioning oriented

You cant retreat into cover with any form of movement in 1, you can not change position with any form of movement in 1

So youre either play by predicting that you get overran and change position before hand or you are completely canceled out from getting into specific positions

[muted sandal]

Not sure what you're talking about but lets be real, 99.9% of players don't utilize any advanced movement tech, BF4 or otherwise. The vast majority even struggle with moving forward to be frank...

[raven galleon]

Facts

[wind oyster]

Also much harder to break through camping players, for example in 2042 you can just slide past and shoot people in the back or bhop past people

[wind oyster]

It isnt about people utalizing it or not

Its about good players being limited with their options and plays

[muted sandal]

Ah yeah okay

[raven galleon]

Just aim faster vro

[wind oyster]

In bf1 you have a lot of moments where you get hardstuck on chokes and you have nothing else to do but chuck nades and get lucky on accident

[muted sandal]

I'm sure there'll be some sort of new tech to dunk on the ground texture enjoyers

Oh compared to BF1, yeah I guess didn't play that enough to know for sure.

[wind oyster]

Also empty areas are much easier to cross you arent perma dead

[muted sandal]

I already foresee myself equipping smokes on every loadout so I can actually play the game

[wind oyster]

Also lack of movement means that mechanics like sweetspot are more op because you can 1 shot a target that cant strafe, jump, air strafe or slide

Just running in a single motion

Also you cant react away from headglitchers, you run out of position you see a slight glimpse of an helmet and before youre able to make it back to cover youre dead within 300-500ms

[smoky wedge]

You talk like thats a bad thing when smokes entire purpose is to allow you to push entrenched points if you want to rush into and past gunfire that is what you're supposed to do. If thats how you want to play then yes you need smoke.

[wind oyster]

Smokes in bf1 are extremely predictable

It clearly doesnt work without movement

[smoky wedge]

Lol what?

[wind oyster]

Lol yes

[smoky wedge]

Or your using then poorly

[wind oyster]

What are these 1kpm mastermind tactical players from bf1

Jesus christ

Oh console player on top even better

How classic

Guess how many smokes i used on my 104-14 kill game yesterday on conquest argonne

[smoky wedge]

What do you want me to say lol. If you say you can't use them successfully its a you problem

[muted sandal]

It's just that I'm usually the only one who's actually utilizing smokes.

[wind oyster]

No its just easy to counter

[smoky wedge]

It's not some balance issue to personally slight your ability to move without getting shot

[wind oyster]

I see smoke i either nade it instantly or shoot through it

Woethless

Especially on dark maps where smokes are see through anyway

[smoky wedge]

Yes this is 100% valid

[muted sandal]

Also some tighter maps quickly just become hotboxes when there's no other alternatives for moving around "safely"

[wind oyster]

In 5?

Or 2042

Games where you have movement inputs

[smoky wedge]

This also. I dont understand why people love some of the old maps with single choke points. It's fun for a minute and thats ut

[smoky wedge]

This also can be countered. Use your smoke to distract, misdirect, or obfuscate farther away from you but still blocking sight line instead of simply dropping it and running directly through.

[wind oyster]

Lol

[smoky wedge]

It all works

[wind oyster]

Whatever you say man

It just works

-bethesda game dev some time some place

[smoky wedge]

"It just doesn't work" is so much more articulate lol

[wind oyster]

Okay so you throw smoke onto your enemies now what

Run into it? People shoot through

People nade it

You can not get past your own smoke which is the entire idea

Unless console lobby

Also you arent misdirecting anyone with a random smoke

No one pays attention to anything anyway

And an actually goodp player will just think like “lol random smoke at random part of the map”

“Whats over there” ahh strat

Hyper meaningless activity

[smoky wedge]

What is the context of the situation? Let's say you've thrown in right in front of them so their entire angle is gone. They already vaguely knew what building you were in the plan wouldn't be to immediately run the most obvious line you could take. If they can't actually see then you have many ways in which to move thats less predictable. I mean certainly smoke isn't gonna work if you go ahead and do exactly what they thought you'd do movement wise.

[wind oyster]

How is it gone

Idk meaningless anyway

Never used smokes because real no use for it

[smoky wedge]

It's been a bit since I've played 1 is smoke glass now or what?

[wind oyster]

You can always detect movement within smoke lol

Its not rocket science

[frail folio]

please lock weapons to classes 😦

[wind oyster]

Lol

[keen sand]

I agree, older system is the best.... as always was.... In BC2, BF3, BF4

[smoky wedge]

So random enemy staring into smoke thats 2 feet in front of them can detect a guy 50 yards off running between buildings while his entire vision is smoke? Like I said, is smoke super translucent now or what?

[wind oyster]

Some weird lala land mindset where you think it actually works

[smoky wedge]

Cause it literally has

[wind oyster]

Whats your kd and kpm smoke_demon69

1kd 1kpm?

[smoky wedge]

Without the aid of cheating not sure what universe someone sees through smoke thats blocked a sightline that you're not even running directly into or through?

[cedar juniper]

Not been following this thread and what everyone is chatting about but they really really need to change back to weapons locked to classes minus maybe DMRs or something similar to BF4, gives each class a genuine purpose

[wind oyster]

Yeah 1.1kpm 1.5kd with main class being scout

Iconic

So it doesnt work

[smoky wedge]

Maybe if you downgrade all the visuals on pc where it looks like a turd but doesn't render smoke correctly

[wind oyster]

Doesnt work like that

[wind oyster]

Purpose of the class doesnt come from the primary weapon btw

[smoky wedge]

It's what you use the most and so defines your personal experience the most. So definitely does make the biggest difference. Whether that actually matters to.ypu personally is completely different though.

[wind oyster]

It doesnt

[cedar juniper]

In my opinion it kind of does, otherwise you'll get everyone running around with defibs or rockets, classes like recon aren't utilized, if you want a longer range weapon you then utilize the equipment that comes with it being spawn becons etc, it also helps with identification of classes, again if you see someone with a sniper glint, you know you're against a recon, therefore you know roughly what kind of equipment they'll be using

Can then counter

[wind oyster]

Entirely depends on gadgets

[cedar juniper]

Getting rid of locked weapons to classes, could have anything, fighting a sniper, next thing you know an RPG round is coming at you from them

[wind oyster]

Give people a reason to play recon class and theyll play it

[muted sandal]

FWIW my most played class in both BF4 and 2042 is Recon for its spawn beacon and spotting utility, paired with CQC capable weapons

[cedar juniper]

It does, but I just feel locked weapons means across the board more different gadgets are used, also means people have more of a role to play, rather than as I said, everyone with defibs and rockets

[wind oyster]

And at the end of the day it wont matter anyway because 99% of players arent even good at the game so its not like people will magically raise in iq if you lock the classes

[cedar juniper]

Just my opinion but there's a reason it worked so well in the past

[wind oyster]

And any good player will peform good regardless

[wind oyster]

Yeah because the selection was semi open

[cedar juniper]

I get that as I'm very similar

[cedar juniper]

As I said, I'm not saying all things locked, having like DMRs open to all and shotguns, allows flexibility but also means people are encouraged to use other equipment rather than just sticking to their favourites and use that across all classes

[wind oyster]

That would be normal yes

But it wont matter

[cedar juniper]

As I said, just my opinion and take on it

[muted sandal]

Just so you know, BF6 only plans on unlocked primary weapons, not gadgets.

[wind oyster]

Yeah like other bf games

[cedar juniper]

I understand that but either one won't make any difference, if you have all weapons unlocked then you can make all 4 classes use those weapons

[smoky wedge]

It's a difference between the kind of game you want. Your have areas comp shooter types that want to be able to run solo and not rely on anyone vs players who want an immersion team oriented game and don't care if it has a hyper comp balance. The series overall was never heavy into arena style competitive balance so I dont know what some want it.

[cedar juniper]

Whereas bf4, 5 etc, the primaries are locked minus a couple that are useable across the board which I think is a better way about it, still flexibility but if you want a sniper, you gotta utilize recons gadgets and learn best way to use them for yourself and squad

[wind oyster]

Quoting a battlefield dev here

“Battlefield is a run and gun game”

Also you have no one to rely on as far as teammates go because they are garbage at the game

[smoky wedge]

Which mean "competitive arena shooter" ? That's your assumption.

[wind oyster]

No

Cs2 isnt a run and gun game

Ow2 isnt a run and gun game

What was it again

[smoky wedge]

Anything that isn't milsim is run and gun

[wind oyster]

Lol

[smoky wedge]

That's a broader selection of fps games

[wind oyster]

Lol

Lol

Lol

I cant im losing my mind

[cedar juniper]

Me and my friends are always into the squad play and typically have a medic, a sniper or two and support so not so might be why I feel the way I do, we all have a role to play, I get we can still do that but it's more just pushing player to use and utilize equipment based on their role, rather than run and gun whatever gun with whatever class

[wind oyster]

Theres no way these people have any actual thought process

[cedar juniper]

Unfortunately I have noticed team mates do revive less and do a squad play etc, why I like playing with my mates

I know as a squad we can push the next objective or slide around behind

[wind oyster]

R6 and cs2 are now milsim games apparently because they obv arent run and gun

So is overwatch 2 and valorant

Milsim gaming ftw

[cedar juniper]

I definitely wouldn't count bf as a typical run and gun, Cod is what I'd call run and gun, small maps just legging it around as fast as possible shooting as you go

[wind oyster]

People wouldnt know what cod is even if you shoved it into their face

“This seems a little like cod”🤪🤪

[cedar juniper]

To be fair I don't even know if the developers know how cod should be haha

[smoky wedge]

Keep blabbering you have nothing meaningful to say. No real contribution other than acting like elitist nub. It's not that others suck when your in a squad but I'm 100% sure your attitude make you insufferable to play with. The Colin kapernick problem your personal drama you bring eclipses your ability.

[wind oyster]

Crazy yap

Keep thinking that valorant is a milsim game

Dont care

[marble parrot]

.

[smoky wedge]

Keep blabbering and offering nothing constructive

[muted sandal]

I've enjoyed most previous Battlefield games with locked primaries but I still think that going unlocked has more net-positives than negatives in the end. A lot of balancing and class identity can instead be reinforced via class gadgets and their weapon specializations. Like say BF4 where SMG was only for Engineers. I'd always feel like a liability when wanting to play SMG on an infantry map/mode. I was essentially robbing myself and the team of useful utility because of my weapon choice. It'd no longer be the case even tho I might miss out on some class-bonus for that weapon class.

[wind oyster]

You said that cs2 r6 ow2 and valorant are milsim games so idk i dont think im the one whos not constructive

Definitely not the one whos blabbering

[muted sandal]

They could also tie in weapon attachments to classes, like making high zoom scopes more expensive for non-Recons and such. There's a lot of ways around it without class-locking weapons.

[quaint dune]

xdd

[smoky wedge]

Yes "anything that isn't milsim is run and gun" can you read. Not sure how you got to that

[wind oyster]

Because 1 and 5 are easier to restrict due to ww1/2 weapons, you cant restrict modernized weapons the same way which is why bf4 was a hybrid of open class and 2042 being open class

[wind oyster]

“Anything that isnt milsim is run and gun” you said it yourself

[muted sandal]

And even in BF3 I played Support with MP7 and the M27 IAR which is basically an AR

[wind oyster]

Cs2 r6 val and ow2 arent run and gun games therefor they are milsim games in your mind

Simple as

[smoky wedge]

Lol run and gun includes all those games not sure what your on about

Run and gun is a broader term

[wind oyster]

Yeah cs2 and r6 are clear run and gun games

[smoky wedge]

It's not specifically only CoD style games

[wind oyster]

Especially valorant now thats crazy run and gunning

[wind oyster]

It really isnt

[smoky wedge]

It's any shooter with a focus or balance towards movement

[wind oyster]

"Run and gun" in the context of video games refers to a gameplay style characterized by fast-paced action and minimal emphasis on strategy or careful planning

And you named cs2, r6, ow2 and valorant as run and gun

Unbelievable

[wind oyster]

Yeah and you have an immaculate amount of movement in cs2

You clearly do not know what youre talking about so why continue

Good christ these console players are something else

They actually shouldnt be able to play online multiplayer games i swear its so painful at this point

Plays 70h of bf1 and now is a god at the game and spreads fps wisdom so insane dude i cant man

Ill go make coffee cya

[slow bloom]

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, can't wait for everyone running same meta ARs

[vagrant pebble]

R6 used to be run and gun before they removed spawn peeking 😂

[muted sandal]

Big shrug, TBH.

[wind oyster]

Wont happen tbh

But let the game launch he will see it for himself

[smoky wedge]

I primarily play on pc firstly. I didn't even think about tactical shooters in mind given the context of speaking specifically about BF. So thats my bad. That's being said you still have a wide range of games that are run and gun and vary wildly in how they play and are balanced.

[muted sandal]

That too.

[wind oyster]

Yeah because i take a lot of time to calculate my each and every action in bf games whilist casually dropping 100 kills makes sense

I even do maths about how far i need to throw my grenades and whatnot

Speak through the next gameplan with my teammates

Highly tactical next level gameplay

Also i alone magically have 31 players that are perfectly coordinating teamplay within bf games

[smoky wedge]

Not saying bf is a tactical shooter for the exact reason your saying the above... saying it was completely out of mind given bf is not one.

[wind oyster]

Ok so its not tactical, it doesnt require careful planning and its not slow

there for its a run and gun shooter game

Game dev themselves said bf is a run and gun game

Elmayo

[smoky wedge]

Which is never disputed. I specifically said its not an arena shooter and doesn't warrant that kind of balance

[wind oyster]

Lol

Idk just 5head takes

[smoky wedge]

As in its not a quake or unreal tournament or halo all considered run and gun while also being arena shooters (a more specific subgroup of run and gun)

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, worked perfectly fine in 2042, every new gun definitely wasn't a broken mess which entire server definitely didn't used 😂

[wind oyster]

Weapon balance has had multiple reworks in every bf game

Also when weapons are new people are obviously going to play it more

Because its new

An-94 was complete dogshit

[muted sandal]

Yeah if you join a 2042 game today you'll see more variety in the killfeed than you'd do in BF4

[quaint dune]

i take offense to this

i feel personally attacked

[wind oyster]

It was mechanically broken and just didnt compete against other weapons

[quaint dune]

depends on how good the player is rly

[wind oyster]

Hyperburst didnt even work lol

[quaint dune]

i got my first kill record with that gun

[wind oyster]

Well yes

[quaint dune]

i rly enjoyed it

[wind oyster]

But its not what makes the weapon by itself strong

[quaint dune]

an 94, aek and mtar were my guns back in the day

love them so much lmfao

[wind oyster]

We are talking about 2042 an-94

[quaint dune]

oh yh that version of it sucked

on me on me

thought we was disrespecting the bf4 an

tbh all the portal guns in 2042 felt weird

[muted sandal]

(It wasn't great either tbh)

[quaint dune]

leave my goat alone

lmfao

i loved that gun in the old ps4 competitive lobbies

[wind oyster]

It wasnt particularly bad either

It was an okay weapon

[quaint dune]

its biggest weakness was range

it sucked cheeks at range

[vagrant pebble]

Who said BF4 had a good balance?

I don’t even want BF4 system anyways

Classes should be very restricted like BF1 or V imo

[muted sandal]

Sure

But even BFV had SMG and Bolt-Action medics

And full-auto carbine pistol on recon

There's always some flex

[vagrant pebble]

That’s a good thing imo

Those weapons were still restricted to classes

[vast mauve]

Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. Just go back to the way BF3 and BF4 were. We had it so good. Now COD is trash and BF is going down the same terrible path.

[pure zinc]

Same path how

Sliding?

Plenty of games with slide

Its also negligible

I'd you can't hit a target of someone momentarily moving a split second faster then you are bad

Diving?

Diving was in battlefield 2

Plenty of movement tech in that game

Movement speed?

It's .5ms slower then battlefield 3/4

Gunplay? Not cod like lol

No class locked?

Battlefield 4 class locked system was already negligible

People often times chose a class for the gun over the class itself

Mostly ARs

No class locked makes it where you can choose any class you went and there isn't a possibility anymore for it to be for the gun over what really matters which is the class itself

No class locked and class locked has its pros and cons

Its not black and white

[quaint dune]

[viral thistle]

hey

Bring Back old Class System thanks.

[fierce cloak]

Weapon locked based on classes. This helps create the identity of each class and helps them feel different.

[pure zinc]

Class system is back

Its not specialists

[pure zinc]

All guns in battlefield 4 have carbines btw, it doesnt make much of a difference

Carbines are simular to ars

[astral kelp]

Why does everyone bring up Bf4 like it was amazing

[quaint dune]

cos it was?

XD

[pure zinc]

Because battlefield 4 is objectively amazing💀

[astral kelp]

Much preferred BF3

[pure zinc]

I wonder why people bring it up so much

[quaint dune]

the top 3 battlefield games are 4, 3 and 1

[pure zinc]

Cool

Both are amazing

[smoky wedge]

I think people want classes to have a defined feeling but don't really articulate what they mean by that. To me its more than just a feel or that they mechanically can do different things. A big part of it is dependence. Each class needs to feel like it has situations where is HAS to rely on another player playing a different role to help them overcome the situation.

[pure zinc]

They say classes are defined by the guns to when im battlefield 4 all the classes have carbines and the class locked is negligible

🙈

[astral kelp]

Classes, in part, should be defined by their weapons

[pure zinc]

All classes have carbines in 4 and no one complained

Not much of a difference

Also majority play for the guns and not class itself

[astral kelp]

“No one complained” no true lmao

[pure zinc]

No class locked incentiveses people to choose any class they want over the gun

[smoky wedge]

You could certain create more separation with gun locks and that kind of does it but that doesn't really create role dependency which to me is the thing people really want

[quaint dune]

i honestly dont think anyone complained during bf4s release and life cycle ngl

[pure zinc]

Majority

[last wagon]

Anyone else wish we could just play with daily updates and all the bugs, id be so down to just keep on playing through the development and be able to give daily feedback.

[quaint dune]

i never heard anyone complain about the weapons each class had

at least back during bf4s heights

[pure zinc]

Its like people say guns made the class more like the class yet recon had access to carbines

💀

Only 1 gun class locked per class

But every class had access to an all rounder really

[vagrant pebble]

Rose tinted glasses

BF4 has objectively terrible weapon and class balancing

[quaint dune]

here we go again

[pure zinc]

That's more subjective

More often than not people didn't complain

Why do you think ppl bring up battlefield 4

[vagrant pebble]

If kilfeed is just ACE and AEK then yeah, it's objective

[pure zinc]

💀

[astral kelp]

Nostalgia tbh

[pure zinc]

You cant stop people from using a gun

[pure zinc]

No its mostly they enjoy it

[quaint dune]

guns can be meta

[vagrant pebble]

So?

[quaint dune]

doesnt mean the balancing was bad XD

[pure zinc]

I wonder why people choose good guns

[vagrant pebble]

BF3, BF1, BFV all have better class and weapon balancing

[pure zinc]

Would you rather them use a trash gun.

[vagrant pebble]

Balance them better

[pure zinc]

So you complain about what people use

There's like 70+ guns in battlefield 4

Not that easy

[vagrant pebble]

And people only use 3

Great balancing

[astral kelp]

The bloat was real

[vagrant pebble]

BFV and BF1 also has around 70+ weapons, they are balanced better

[quaint dune]

ngl i think youre both kinda grasping at straws

xD

yes bf4 had some guns that were used more than others

ever consider that could be cos they were perfectly balanced for the guns intended role?

[pure zinc]

Isn't that for any game though

[vagrant pebble]

BF4 still objectively has terrible class and weapon balancing, DICE shouldn't listen to people who wants to bring back BF4 system tbh

[pure zinc]

Guns user lore then others

[pure zinc]

For me idc if there is class locked or not

But I like the class locked for 4 as it wasnt really too much

[vagrant pebble]

They should bring back BF1-V system or keep them open tbh

[pure zinc]

But that's just me

[astral kelp]

“People chose the gun, not the class” this mentality overall needs to be changed tbh.

[vagrant pebble]

I would rather want to lock them, BF formula is already diluted enough already, wouldn't be surprised next BF after this also removes classes and turns it into COD with a loadout system

[quaint dune]

they LITERALLY did that with 2042

[vagrant pebble]

And everyone hated it

[quaint dune]

and had to patch in classes later cos nobody liked it

so why tf would they do it again lmfao

[vagrant pebble]

Because DICE is DICE

[quaint dune]

yes DICE is indeed DICE

but they know they NEED a hit

[astral kelp]

Tbh they won’t lock it. Too much money to be made selling weapon cosmetics

[quaint dune]

they wont make the same decisions they made with 2042 cos they KNOW it wont work

i think they will lock it to an extent

[vagrant pebble]

As long as there aren't any universal weapons I don't care how they will lock it tbh

[quaint dune]

pistols

aware

[vagrant pebble]

I mean primaries

[quaint dune]

xdd

i think there needs to be one class of weapons available to more than 1 class

e.g PDWs

[modern prism]

Really wondering why you guys care about that so much

[vagrant pebble]

SMGs are objectively best weapon class in any FPS, so I think they should be locked

[quaint dune]

depends

some smgs are better than others

[vagrant pebble]

Since BF1 SMGs were meta

[quaint dune]

some examples i can think of off the top of my head is the UMP

the UMP was p bad as an smg in bf4

[vagrant pebble]

BF4 is 11 years old

[quaint dune]

yes

[vagrant pebble]

In BF1, BFV and 2042 they were meta

[quaint dune]

but looking at the style of this battlefield with what theyve shown us

[vagrant pebble]

Not at all

[quaint dune]

the style is way closer to bf4 and bf3

[vagrant pebble]

Atmosphere maybe

[quaint dune]

so why use WWII and WWI games as an blueprint

that makes no sense at all

[vagrant pebble]

Gunplay is most similar to MW games

[modern prism]

That really depends. I'm on a larger map with assault riffle much better mostly

[quaint dune]

maybe cos we care about the franchise and want it to do well?

[quaint dune]

2042 was dogshit so cant use that as an example

and bf1 and v were WWI and WWII era themed

[modern prism]

No i mean that strict classes just won't work for the most casual players

[quaint dune]

assault rifles didnt really exist back then

[vagrant pebble]

2042 is most similar game to BF4

[quaint dune]

LMAO

[vagrant pebble]

Out of them all

[quaint dune]

ok thats just delusional

[vagrant pebble]

Same TTK, similar weapon types

[quaint dune]

it worked before

[modern prism]

2042 is just something different tbh

[quaint dune]

and it was proven to not work with anyone at all in 2042

[vagrant pebble]

LOL

[quaint dune]

the only thing 2042 did well was gunplay, the guns felt good

everything else was a horror

[modern prism]

Really? I guess people rather chose the class bc of the weapon than of the class lol
So they won't fullfil their role anyway

[quaint dune]

idk where this narrative has come from tbh

[modern prism]

Its just my experience with other players

[quaint dune]

in my experience there was always more people that picked a class for the classes utility not just the weapons

[modern prism]

People rather say: "damn i need another weapon" instead of " i need another class" barely heard that tbh

[solid sigil]

^

[vagrant pebble]

I see more people doing their job as a class in a system like BF1 or BFV tbh

Medics almost always revived me in BF1 and V, they ignore me in 2042,3 or 4

[quaint dune]

well that could be cos theres a lot of variety in weapon choice and some times people just want a different gun?

[quaint dune]

we are not seeing the same people cuh

these bf1 medics do not revive at all

if i had a pound for every time i had a medic run past me without reviving in bf1 id be able to buy EA

[smoky wedge]

This is true with everyone I know who plays. The issue is there's always some sweaty solos that absolutely played with a gun first mentality

[modern prism]

Did any bf medic really does his job? 🤣 Barely, but thats in every other shooter as well

[quaint dune]

yes and they are a minority in the wider playerbase

[quaint dune]

yes actually

ive had more people rez me in bf4 than any other bf game

unless im playing with a group of friends

[modern prism]

That all depends on the people

Some are team players, others not thats all

[quaint dune]

well so does your statement of people choose the class for the gun and not the class

lmfao

yes some people will choose assault in bf4 for the soul purpose of using certain guns

but more if not the majority will pick assault for the playstyle of assualt

not the fact it has "over used" or "unbalanced" guns

thats just cope

people like getting kills

so theyll go with whatever class can get them more kills

[modern prism]

So the whole discussion is non sense 🤣 just let people play how they want lol

[quaint dune]

do that and we get another 2042

genuinely and im not just saying it for the sake of it

bf4 had THE best system for this type of battlefield

[smoky wedge]

Yeah you can't have one man army builds and call it Battlefield

[quaint dune]

it made sense

[serene igloo]

Classes should have 1-2 or more exclusive weapons each and some common weapons among all classes like pistols.

[quaint dune]

sometimes it can feel like it depending on how good the player is

[smoky wedge]

Sorry didn't mean to reply to that specifically lol

[quaint dune]

but thats just a skill issue

[smoky wedge]

Yes

[quaint dune]

this would be what what we'd get from the bf4 system

assault had ARs

support had LMGs

recon had snipers

everyone had carbines

[vagrant pebble]

It's why BF4 system doesn't work imo, you can't read classes

[quaint dune]

how so

[vagrant pebble]

You expect a recon to have a sniper but they pull out ACWR or a shotgun

[quaint dune]

thats not everyone though

again, youre taking the actions of a few and using it as a generalization of the whole class

95% of people will pick assault to use the ACWR

[vagrant pebble]

You still can't read what people are using based on their classes

With a system like BF4

You can with a system like BF1

You except medic to use SLRs in BF1, you expect assault to use SMGs or shotguns in BF1

[quaint dune]

but again thats cos its based on the era

AR or carbines didnt exist in WWI

[vagrant pebble]

You can still apply same class system to BF6

It's not based on an era

[modern prism]

Well alright i see in 2042 i'm playin as a scout with silenced p90 sometimes so they won't see/hear me on the map, can sabotage them and set spawn points 🤣🤣 yeah its a game changer sometimes

[quaint dune]

you cant though

[vagrant pebble]

How?

[quaint dune]

because

whats the word

ffs

precident?

yh

the precident of a more modern era battlefield game would be based on BF4/3

[vagrant pebble]

BF2 had class locked weapons too despite being set in modern era

[quaint dune]

nobody wants the game to be like 2042 so im excluding that

[vagrant pebble]

With no universals

[quaint dune]

ok

[modern prism]

Biggest issue in 2042 is the movement imo

[quaint dune]

i get the dislike of universals

[modern prism]

And the map design

[quaint dune]

no

not at all

the movement was one of the less horror issues

[modern prism]

Ofc its cod like

Not at all like bf

[quaint dune]

the movement made more sense based on the fact it was more futuristic (not saying it was good)

but the overall issues with 2042 was base foundation of the game

[kind trout]

Bf4 is the best bf game

[quaint dune]

to go back to this tho. id be fine with no universals, but thered have to be more variety in the guns the classes have access to

[vagrant pebble]

Sure, that's what I want anyways

[quaint dune]

but the benefits of having univeral weapon types would be that each class CAN be used in multiple different environments and situations

[vagrant pebble]

I don't want BF2 system with engineers only having access to shotguns or SMGs, people won't use engineers otherwise

[quaint dune]

say example

engineer

if you take away carbines and shotguns from engineer

and ONLY give them PDWs

that means they can only rly be used in cqc and to destroy vehicles

when we gotta keep in mind

engineer had more tools than just anti vehicle

thats why imo bf4s system was the strongest

each class had its own indentity because of the tools, gadgets and utility they had

the argument that people chose the class for the gun is so misguided and stupid

if youre picking recon for eg

youre not picking it to use the ACWR

youre picking it to use the tools and gadgets the class has

not because it has access to a certain gun

i just dont get why they should build a system off of what a smaller number of people want when the majority want something else

if more people want a BF4 style system

they should do that

[vagrant pebble]

My ideal class system for BF6 would be either
Assault: ARs, Shotguns
Engineer: Carbines, DMRs
Support: Battle Rifles, LMGs
Recon: SMGs, Sniper Rifles
or
Engineer: SMGs, Battle Rifles
Support: LMGs, Carbines
Recon: DMRs, Sniper Rifles

[quaint dune]

my ideal p much what BF4 had but id take away carbines from support and recon

[vagrant pebble]

This game also has gunsmithing anyways, so you probably can make whatever automatic weapon you use more LMG-like or SMG-like

[quaint dune]

yes but that will only work to a certain extent

[vagrant pebble]

Yes

But I'm pretty sure you can take an LMG, give it a 30 round magazine and make it as fast as ARs

[quaint dune]

depends on the lmg

some lmgs were designed to be compatible with AR mags

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah

[feral torrent]

the HK in lmg slot already performs like an ar

[quaint dune]

so in bf4 the classes were as follows

Assault - ARs, Carbines, DMRs and Shotguns

Engineers - PDWs, Carbines, DMRs, Shotguns

Support - LMGs, Carbines, DMRs, Shotguns

Recon - Snipers, Carbines, DMRs, Shotguns

in my ideal world

id take away DMRs from assault

DMRs away from engineer

Carbines and DMRs from support

and shotguns and carbines away from recon

but id also give recon access to PDWs

[feral torrent]

ye assault doesnt need 80 damage headshot dmrs

[quaint dune]

so in my world itd go from this

to this

[vagrant pebble]

No assault would use DMRs anyways, modern gamers allergic to semi autos

[quaint dune]

Assault - ARs, Carbines, Shotguns

Engineers - PDWs, Carbines, Shotguns

Support - LMGs, Carbines, Shotguns

Recon - Snipers, DMRs, PDW

thats what id have it as

[feral torrent]

dmrs fucking slap with ballistic bullets tho

[quaint dune]

that seems more realistic and more balanced

[vagrant pebble]

No one uses SVK in 2042

2 shot body shot up to 100 meters

[quaint dune]

SVK is god awful

[vagrant pebble]

LOL

Literally best sniper and DMR at the same time

[quaint dune]

thats why its god awful

[vagrant pebble]

Oh yeah lol

Point is that people are allergic to semi autos

[quaint dune]

thats cos a lot of people just cant aim with them

but ye

[vagrant pebble]

It's better to give them to Engineers or Recon

[quaint dune]

this is what id have in the new bf

[vagrant pebble]

I would give DMRs to engineer

[quaint dune]

i wouldnt for the simple fact of youd then get engineers sat at the back of the map

and that is so snooze

[vagrant pebble]

Engineers are supposed to be played at maps with lots of vehicles, so when you give them a close range kit they will use their launchers as their long range weapons

That's why I would give them DMRs, Carbines or SMGs, Battle Rifles

One short range and one long range option

[quaint dune]

i think maybe BRs instead of shotguns then

ffs it didnt save the updated one

[vagrant pebble]

LOL

[quaint dune]

Assault - ARs, Carbines, Shotguns

Engineers - PDWs, Carbines, Battle Rifles

Support - LMGs, Carbines, Shotguns

Recon - Snipers, DMRs, PDW

there we go

that more fair?

[vagrant pebble]

I don't think they should have any universals like Carbines though or Shotguns still

[quaint dune]

shotguns being on 2 classes is fine

[vagrant pebble]

That might be okay too

[quaint dune]

personally i dont see an issue with carbines being semi universal

[vagrant pebble]

I would remove it from assault and give DMRs to assault in your list

[quaint dune]

as there has to be SOME univerisal guns in a game like BF

personally i wouldnt

for the simple fact

that assault is meant to be in your face

if they have DMRs they wont be doing that

you feel me

[vagrant pebble]

No assault is going to use carbines instead of ARs though

[quaint dune]

yh but carbines are much the same as ARs realistically

example

the creeg

the SG553

theres no difference between that REALLY and an AR

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah

[quaint dune]

so it makes sense for assault to have ARs AND carbines

i think my slightly altered version of the BF4 weapon spread makes sense and does tackle a lot of the things people seem have an issue with

the main thing is that having fewer weapon types per class would mean less variety which would result in people complaining

having some weapon types available to a few classes eg carbines

means if you are an engineer main but like using carbines you can use carbines on engineer and youre not forced into playing a class you dont like

it caters to as many people as possible with the least amount of bloat

cos i will admit, in bf4 you was spoiled for choice when it came to guns

if im using assault i have so many options to choose from

[vagrant pebble]

I still think they should restrict them to 2 categories per class with no universals but your system is still preferable to unlocked weapons imo

[quaint dune]

thats fair

[vagrant pebble]

Unlocked weapons will just create unenjoyable metas

I see no variety in any 2042 match, I just die to same 3-4 SMGs and ARs

[quaint dune]

therell always be unenjoyable metas no matter what system they work with

[vagrant pebble]

BFV has an enjoyable meta imo

Every class has 2-3 strong options

[quaint dune]

imo the most enjoyable meta of BFV was when Iwo Jima first came out

[vagrant pebble]

So you aren't locked to one category and one weapon

[quaint dune]

there was a lot of variety in peoples load outs when Iwo Jima came out

the BF4 system would also need some tweaks which ive just thought of

some guns were in weapon types that just didnt make much sense

the ACWR for example

that should never have been a carbine

[vagrant pebble]

There are also questionable carbine choices in BF6 but I don't think we are supposed to talk about that 😂

[quaint dune]

the mtar is the ideal carbine

its smaller than an AR

and feels more like an SMG

but with AR power

[vagrant pebble]

There is a battle rifle in carbine category lol, it's not even an AR for some reason

[quaint dune]

thats what a carbine should be

the ACWR was just an AR called a carbine

to conclude really

the BF4 system is perfect WITH some needed tweaks and adjustments to whatd put a weapon in a specific class

i think my selected list would work fine

with maybe 1 or 2 more tweaks

just pls make sure you give engineer the EOD bot back

its a battlefield icon

xdd

and for the love of god

dont make vehicles insanely OP

i beg

vehicles can be slightly OP but dont over tune them like they were in bf1

[lilac flicker]

Hello DICE,

no matter which path you choose regarding class-based or non-class-based weapons, please don't give anyone other than the Engineer airborne and anti-tank missiles.
That would be my only request.

Thanks ❤️

[quaint dune]

THIS

[obsidian scroll]

Do class based restrictions for powerful weapons (snipers, lmg's, assault) but give every class cqb weapons (shotguns, smgs, etc)

This is an opinion, dont crucify me chat

[vagrant pebble]

SMGs are going to best strongest weapon class tbh

That’s why class restrictions should exist, not everyone should use SMGs

[pure zinc]

Problem with mtar is it's only good for close and semi medium range

But its a better smg pretty much

[quaint dune]

That's what a carbine is really tho

At least going off what guns battlefield classes an a carbine

Carbines are that middle ground between smgs and ars

[quiet smelt]

1.)I dont like support having ammo and meds. assault feels selfish and should have meds. 2.)I dont like any of the class active abilities(or the adrenaline idea at all). 3.)I'm not diehard about class locked but i think it defines the classes roles a little better and would prefer it implemented. best split was bf3 imo but bf4 was good too(smg and carbine switching). finally getting little more picky i think spawn beacon should be recons gadget, you likely dont need a motion sensor if youre distance sniping.

[rustic seal]

Agreed. I suggested it already. Assault should have medkit and defib (medic). Support ammo and maybe revive but without defib.

[vagrant pebble]

I’m fine with assault having stims tbh

[rustic seal]

Could make him either too selfish or useless for the team imo. Should give him medkit instead of stim

[quiet smelt]

it just seems unrealistic to me n feels out of place

[rustic seal]

Stims are for COD

[vagrant pebble]

BF6 is COD

[rustic seal]

No please no

I mean if Bf has COD gunplay I think it would be cool because weapon feeling is good. But that’s it.

We don’t want the same gadgets, maps etc

Just look how bad is ground war mode

[obsidian scroll]

Assault gets meds/defibrillator. Support gets ammo. Engineer gets rocket launcher/c4. Sniper gets respawn becon/sensor/claymores

Don't fix what isn't broken

[muted sandal]

Nobody gets nothing, how bout that!?

[obsidian scroll]

Battlefield with sticks and stones. Battlefield 6: Primal

[fossil root]

Have the acknowledged the reaction and feedback beyond creating this channel yet?

[obtuse crest]

At the end of the day everything is just for show and they will do whatever they want.

[quiet smelt]

thats why we arent preordering

[pure zinc]

Not really

[pure zinc]

Who's "we"

Im pre ordering lmao

[obtuse crest]

Yeah people with the hype syndrome will still preorde it.
After the 100 euro preorder not refunded of 2042 ill patiently wait till release and see if they actually had listen, if not you know..

[pure zinc]

God forbid me look at the gameplay at the game and it objectively looking amazing (with some small things needing changing but its pre alpha)

[obtuse crest]

the game look good, the sound are good and the gunplay is really nice, the problem come from the role itself and weapons ( for me) and i think they should listen to the community in making assault the medic like bf4 and the support the amnmo guy, the weapon itself i prefer it locked but is preference i think

[fresh cliff]

Honestly, just remove the double primaries and double launchers and I'd be fine with how they're going

[unreal storm]

Is Dice or EA in the chat here or are we just spit balling?

[fresh cliff]

99% spit balling

[unreal storm]

👍

[fresh cliff]

And even if Dice sees all this, they prioritize the testers' reactions over everything

[lucid river]

Get a load of this guy

[dusk ether]

Wouldn’t even be that hard to make that shift. Give assaults the medic pouch but have the client instance of the pouch get picked up while another remains for someone else to use. Will play exactly the same but now they bring the frontline to them by letting others pick up that health too if they choose to play by themselves

[mighty zealot]

Well yeah, because they’re the ones actually playing it and can give constructive feedback

Everyone here is just giving their opinion based on what if’s and nostalgia

[rustic seal]

Many of us have tested in the perf test though

yet we're not in Labs to give feedback

[mighty zealot]

You talking about the pre alpha this past weekend?

[rustic seal]

yes

[fresh cliff]

That's cause the perf test was never about getting feedback. It was just to see if the servers could handle a large amount of players

[mighty zealot]

What cpl said

Damn you cpl, beat me to it

[fresh cliff]

[rustic seal]

I know, but you said everyone here is giving opinion based on what's if and nostalgia, which is false

because we played the game

And as we can't give feedback elsewhere, we do it here

[mighty zealot]

Did you? Can you prove that without breaking NDA?

[rustic seal]

prove what lol ?

bruh

[mighty zealot]

That you played it

Again without breaking NDA

[rustic seal]

well let's say they are suggestions then 😄

based on what's if

What if assault had 2 primaries and engineers 2 launchers? That would be damn ridiculous

[mighty zealot]

Well I’m sure in that scenario the other testers will bring this up.

If it was a major issue

[rustic seal]

hopefully

I hope the testers are diversified enough too

And that there are some BF vets in there

[mighty zealot]

I mean who else is gonna sign up to test bf games if not people who’ve played it before

[fresh cliff]

I have at least some hope that the testers are sane enough to call those out

[rustic seal]

FIFA players 😂

Jk

But could still be any FPS players basically. When you sign for playtest you just select your preferences then get invited to games that match them.
Idk if they pick randomly then among those who match though

[boreal harbor]

what is the fascination with having the assault be the medics

[quiet smelt]

balance out and disperse team utilities for optimal teamplay

[raven galleon]

"But hurrrr durrrrr they still won't drops meds or revive you"

[boreal harbor]

when did BF3/4 class paradigm have balanced and dispersed team abilities? I remember every server being a 40/40/10/10 split

[obtuse crest]

so every role need to be played, the assault right now is a selfish class and dont fit in the battlefield playstyle.

[quiet smelt]

with 1 class having ammo and meds feels like a 10 30 50 10 split

[wind oyster]

players that prone around the map most of the game

[raven galleon]

Perfect split, never ran out of ammo, never had useless recons in my games and plentiful healing

[mighty zealot]

Hey dat me

[obsidian scroll]

I can't wait to camp every game and make people mad

[boreal harbor]

"battlefield style"

aka you only played BF 3/4

[obsidian scroll]

The problem with battlefield is, everyone played a different one growing up so asking what the community wants for this game is like making jungle juice lmao

[boreal harbor]

There has been a "selfish" assault class in more Battlefields than there hasn't been

[obtuse crest]

oh yeah, cry in "ive played only 2042 and V "

[obsidian scroll]

We're supposed to be fighting the devs, not each other guys

[boreal harbor]

go take a gander at 1942, BF2, 2142, BC 1/2, BF1, Hardline

[raven galleon]

It's fair point, older games had assault classes too, but imho BF3/4 was just most enjoyable

[mighty zealot]

Never had useless recons? Okay now I know you’re lying

[raven galleon]

Heh

[raven galleon]

Hardline didn't

Rare hardline player here B)

[boreal harbor]

ya you're right, mixed it up

[obtuse crest]

the most enjoyable battlefield were bad company 2 bf3/4 and somewhat 1.
hardline was a wannabe cod and bf V and 2042 were just off

[boreal harbor]

such a stunning and brave opinion

because Hardline wasn't a "wannabe COD"

[raven galleon]

Did you even play hardline

It had fun game modes, that stood out

And a setting that we don't see very often

[obtuse crest]

yeah, it was fun but not really a battlefield

[boreal harbor]

and GOAT tier maps along side BF3

[raven galleon]

Truth

[obtuse crest]

just an opinion, everyone should have one XD

[raven galleon]

Ye I'd say it's not exactly battlefield but it was a good game. Altho we probably ain't getting a new one 😔

[obtuse crest]

the only bf i've not really enjoyed was 2042, bf V was nice but already going in the wrong direction ( my opinion) so no one get offended XD

[oblique agate]

hi

[boreal harbor]

how did bfv go in the wrong direction?

it's biggest problem was a lack of content for so long

and DICE fucking with the TTK every 4-6 months

[obtuse crest]

they were already testing (op skins)

[quiet smelt]

ive enjoyed most battlefields, skipped hardline. bf1 and 5 were cool but i like modern weapon and attachments, so just out of my preferred era. 2042 i cant help but run Falck with ammo feeling like a super soldier

[rustic seal]

BFV was great imo

[uneven badger]

Did bfv actually have a direction? I did enjoy that game tbh, but I always felt like it didn't know what it wanted to be

[boreal harbor]

ya, I get the people who didn't want to play another historical war setting coming out of BF1

[oblique agate]

love battlefield 6 labs

[rustic seal]

wdym? To me it was clear that it was a Battlefield. The closest one to BF1942

or even BF1943

[boreal harbor]

we'll never know because they stopped after War in the Pacific

[rustic seal]

Remember Wake Island

Pacific theatre in BFV was awesome

[raven galleon]

No eastern front on BFV

[rustic seal]

Yeah that would have been nice

[raven galleon]

Brushed off soviets as if they didn't exist

[rustic seal]

There was even some Italy map I think in BF1942 DLC

[boreal harbor]

BFV had a few Mediterranean maps

if you want to count those as italy

[rustic seal]

Yeah close enough

[uneven badger]

cosmetics were all over the place, realistic style ones, vs someone running around actually on fire, during game development they presented these subclasses or wahtever but never implemented them

implementing bipod deployment like they did, but it was so buggy, half the time it didnt deploy

but the gunplay was imo real fun, and movement was nice too

[raven galleon]

Pain, agony even

[boreal harbor]

people actually use bipod attachments in BF? Don't think I've used one since BF3 lmao

[rustic seal]

The atmosphere was great too, the destruction, the vehicles etc..

[raven galleon]

It's cozy

Sometimes

[uneven badger]

in bf4 and bfv they were actually useful, never encountered as much hate in a game as when i use bipod in battlefield games

[rustic seal]

Yes the are useful if you cover a line

[muted sandal]

Pair them with an IRNV/FLIR if you really wanted to anger someone (me)

[uneven badger]

agreed, i remember bf4 dm servers, bipod and flir 😄

[raven galleon]

Absolute cope Delta Force did by smoke blocking thermal sights

[uneven badger]

people accusing me of using aimbot when they really just didn't understand how overpowered the bipod was in bf4, like 0 spread, dead on accurate, all of the time

[mighty zealot]

Ah man, missed the flir from bf4

[vagrant pebble]

CoD gunplay is awful without RAA, BF doesn’t have RAA. Which is why it won’t work.

I wish I could post images to show my issue with it

[pure zinc]

Lol im pre ordering so much

Going to pre order the shit outta it

Never seen a pre order so pre ordered before

[lucid river]

I’d rather shit in my own hands and start clapping

[pure zinc]

Wtf

💀

[lucid river]

[sweet frost]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-portrait-persona-4-persona-sprite-gif-14604496996090478892

[tropic atlas]

dont preorder

[pure zinc]

Gunna pre order so heavily

[vagrant pebble]

I would’ve pre ordered but what people who played the game told me destroyed my hype 🥶

We’re so cooked and people aren’t even aware of it 😭

[boreal harbor]

share why

[gray nimbus]

EA games is the lead designer of the game and the only thing they care about are micro transactions

[boreal harbor]

jesus, touch grass

[gray nimbus]

My names not Jesus

It’s Jessey Pinkman like from breaking bad

[pure zinc]

How original

[pure zinc]

Small things ruin the hype?

Wild

It's pre alpha

💀

Battlefield fans take things so out of proportion

[vagrant pebble]

Gunplay

[pure zinc]

Objectively it looks pretty good

[vagrant pebble]

Looks good

Doesn't mean it will play good

[pure zinc]

Heard plenty of people say it plays good so

Its more subjective a lot

[vagrant pebble]

And I heard the opposite

[pure zinc]

Well there opposite and then there's not

[obsidian scroll]

So wait and see if it plays good lmao

[boreal harbor]

What about it is bad

[boreal harbor]

Stg, the amount of times I’ve heard that BFV’s gunplay is so miserable due to the recoil to random spread to recoil conversion and I’m like… cool, still always had fun playing the game

[pure zinc]

Same

[boreal harbor]

And on paper, ya sounds awful. In game… having fun

[pure zinc]

I enjoy V more then 1

Me saying that has a chance of me getting swatted by a battlefield fan

Jk

[gloomy kite]

How DARE YOU??? Don't you know that bf1 is LITERALLY the second coming of christ and the peak of human civilization and also gaming??

[smoky wedge]

"Battlefield fans" covers such a wide range of players lol. We need to start distinguishing between which era of bf fan someone is as there's a massive swing of opinion in the fandom

[wispy carbon]

where community update

[gloomy kite]

https://discord.com/channels/140933721929940992/1374763710169616525

[smoky wedge]

You got your 1942 and bf2 fans, 2142 fans, bf 3 & 4 fans, bf1, and bfV

[gray nimbus]

And then you have your call of duty fans

[smoky wedge]

Lol

[vagrant pebble]

Slow ADS times, reticle decoupled from screen center, visual recoil. Every gunfight is random according to people who played it. You can't consistently shoot well besides first 10 meters.

[pure zinc]

Ads time is the same as other battlefields

Also this its pre alpha

You cant expect balance really

[obsidian scroll]

Aka 2042 fans

[charred crown]

In fact if it can be done, it's not like you're talking about a small studio that never made a BF LOL.

[strange pebble]

🙄

[smoky wedge]

First it pre-alpha so guaranteed there's a lot of placeholder elements and or not really working so wouldn't be surprised if several optics weren't working. Outside of that what was done looks to work well and as expected and feel good. From what I've heard most attachments did not have in the description or statistically show what they changed on the gun. Meaning attachments were complete guess work in what they changed. I could see people easily accidentally slowing their own ads based on attachments taken.

Also people gotta remember these are pre alpha builds being used for stress tests and similar.

[boreal harbor]

So BFV? Lmao

[mighty zealot]

@boreal harbor You on reddit?

[median vault]

I may not be the first to say this but couldn't they have both via different game modes they have class specific weapons in 2042s portal could they not implement maybe a class locked and unlocked mode

[mighty zealot]

That would just split the playerbase

Even MORE

what with rush and conquest already

[median vault]

i mean there is clearly a divide and they are gonna have upset people either way just trying to play the middle

[mighty zealot]

The middles boring and lackluster

[median vault]

yeah less arguing but then you don't have to listen to people complain about either side

[vagrant pebble]

MW22 more like, or Delta Force but even worse

[boreal harbor]

There is no divide. Just a bunch of people over analyzing every little thing, trying to find a reason to be unhappy

[boreal harbor]

Yes

[mighty zealot]

Same name but with numbers at the end?

[boreal harbor]

Obv

[mighty zealot]

Saw your comment in that one bf thread

[boreal harbor]

The one where I tell people that evolution needs to happen?

[mighty zealot]

About how apparently everyone can analyze a player to counter them or some crap like that

[boreal harbor]

Yup, that one lmao

[mighty zealot]

That whole post was weird

Like maybe I just suck but I’ve never stopped to consider what weapon they were using

[boreal harbor]

Because it’s not an actual thought anyone who plays proactively does

[vagrant pebble]

Qrd?

[boreal harbor]

If I’m using an AR, I know when I cross open areas and long sight lines I most likely need to smoke.

When I’m going through tight corridors I know I’m at the mercy of smgs/shottys

and I proactively adjust

I don’t bum rush a room and be like “hmmm that’s a support so he must be using an LMG, thus im at an advantage with this AR” like a bot

Anyone saying they do that in a game this fast is a sub 1.2 K/D npc

Because they just die before they can “read” then strategize

[mighty zealot]

Only tome I’ve thought about what weapons an enemy is using is a sniper rifle

And that’s because you can see the glint

And they’re far enough away that I ain’t winning that fight

Shot fist as the saying goes

[mighty zealot]

Someone made this long winded post about open weapons being bad cause if you cant tell what weapons they have, then you can’t properly counter them or some shit

Which isn’t how it work irl

How really works is someone sees a enemy, am they shoot the enemy

And then they either die or don’t die

[vagrant pebble]

Restriced classes limits your engagements though

In BF2 whenever I see a recon I know they won't be able to do anything to me when I'm in close range for example

[mighty zealot]

Explain

[vagrant pebble]

Or an engineer in long range

Restricted kit limits engagement distances of classes so you can plan out your gameplay more

[mighty zealot]

No, what weapon YOU have limits your engagement distance

[vagrant pebble]

Well in BF2 recon only had snipers and engineer only had SMGs and shotguns

[mighty zealot]

That’s cool, that still doesn’t change anything

[vagrant pebble]

It means you don't go near that engineer and you go near that sniper

[mighty zealot]

Sure, depending on what gun YOU have

[vagrant pebble]

Assuming AR

[mighty zealot]

Unless they long distance with a sniper, you’d go after them

Doesn’t matter what class has the SR, you know they have one cause it’s a SR and you can see it cause of the glint

That’s the only time a player will factor in what weapon the enemy has

[modern prism]

Did you mean bfbc2? If so, thats not true afaik

[median vault]

True I'm just trying to see if I can't get some of them to agree to a compromise or if they'll just stay mad

[ember sand]

are people still debating class locked weapons?

[wispy carbon]

where community update

[mighty zealot]

There’s nothing else to debate atm

And it’s a lot better than “should there be female voice lines”

Which…is unfortunately something I’ve heard

[ember sand]

but girls dont exist 🙃

[mighty zealot]

True true

[opal flicker]

Pls do not open guns to all classes pls no

[sacred wave]

increase screenshake

[obtuse crest]

The topic is that mate XD

[ember sand]

oh lmao

[median vault]

20x more screenshake no settings to disable it pls

[sacred wave]

yeah

i'll give the game 5 month

if they didnt mess this up ill buy

[median vault]

we can only hope

[sacred wave]

and we can keep our miney inside the wallet unless it acrually worth it

[median vault]

verry true

[sacred wave]

as i said if they dont add clown and niki minaj skin, i would love to play this game

they said modern setting

if they care about the setting they should keep the uniforms

[gray nimbus]

If they don’t lock the weapons , I’m just going to buy bf4 instead. The graphics on the alpha looked like shit anyways

[median vault]

buy bf4 rn

[sacred wave]

yeah cuz its alpha

[median vault]

bf4 alreaedy outr

[sacred wave]

i only play the finals and splitgate 2 nowdays

hopefully squad too

[median vault]

the only way ill be okay with skins is if i can toggle them off or they seem realistic

[gray nimbus]

Agreed

[sacred wave]

me too

no game has this option but if it has it'll be fine

[median vault]

id be more into cod if i didn't have to put up with 5 people having laser guns

did 2042 have a battle pass?

[sacred wave]

yeah. but it wasnt as bad as cod

[sacred wave]

most of them are kids

no mature audience

BF and COD youtubers are the real menace

[jagged talon]

So the way I see it is that they are looking to compete more with cod with this change however keep the class system to replace the cods perk system. I think they should look at battlebit for insperation on how to make a battlefield game IMO

[sacred wave]

always damage controlling for them

[median vault]

they shouldnt compete with cod

[jagged talon]

I agree they shouldnt

[median vault]

battlefield is battlefield

[sacred wave]

they should be themselves

i literally played battlefield just to not play cod

[median vault]

same

[sacred wave]

lets demonstrate at EA headquarters building